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The Dow Jones Industrial Average & Dow Theory

Jul 24, 202424 minSeason 15Ep. 327
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) remains a vital benchmark for U.S. economic performance, despite being established in 1896. Today, the DJIA and Dow Theory continue to provide investors with valuable insights into market trends.

Skip Montreux and Dez Morgan explore the history and significance of the Dow Jones Industrial Average, often referred to simply as the Dow. They discuss its origins, evolution, and current relevance in the financial world. The conversation also introduces Dow Theory, a set of principles developed by Charles Dow to analyze market trends, highlighting its continued importance in modern investing.

Listeners looking to enhance their business English, Skip and Dez's conversation is a great learning resource. Key points include:

  1. The historical background of the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
  2. The evolution of the Dow, from the original 12 stocks to the current 30 components.
  3. An introduction to Dow Theory, including its six tenets and their application in market analysis.


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Announcer

From Tokyo, Japan and Changsha, China – this is Down to Business English. With your hosts Skip Montreux and Dez Morgan.

Skip

Hello Dez. Good to be talking with you.

Dez

And you too Skip.

Skip

And if I’m not mistaken, this is going to be the last time we speak before you go on summer vacation.

Dez

That’s right. I’m off to Scotland for a few weeks at the end of July.

Skip

Good for you.

Dez

I’m looking forward to it. It will be nice to be home for a bit and visit family. Although I do have a ton of things to finish at my University before I get on my plane.

Skip

Well I appreciate you taking the time to report one more time for Down to Business English before you depart.

Dez

You know I wouldn’t miss it.

Skip

So, what are you reporting on today? Some newfangled piece of technology or maybe some cutting edge use of Artificial Intelligence?

Dez

No, nothing like that. In fact the origin of my business report today dates all the way back to 1896.

Skip

1896? I can’t think of many things that were around a hundred and thirty years ago that are still making business headlines today. Maybe the invention of the car?

Dez

Interesting guess. Karl Benz, the founder of Mercedes-Benz patented what is credited as the first automobile in 1886, a decade earlier.

Skip

Only 10 years off. Well, I’m pretty close on the date.

Dez

Not bad. However, my report is connected more to the financial world.

Skip

And what would that be?

Dez

The Dow Jones Industrial Average, which debuted on May 26th, 1896.

Skip

The Dow Jones Industrial Average. Isn’t it just usually referred to as the Dow?

Dez

That’s right. The Dow is perhaps the most watched stock market index globally and is a key indicator of US economic performance.

Skip

You always hear financial reporters on Bloomberg or CNBC talking about the Dow’s gains or losses.

Dez

And there's a good reason for that.

Skip

I’d like to hear more about why that is.

Dez

Great. So let’s do it. Let’s get D2B … Down to Business with the Dow Jones and the tenets of Dow Theory.

Skip

Even though the Dow Jones Average is often discussed in business news, I had no idea that it dates all the way back to 1896.

Dez

Actually, the story starts 14 years earlier in 1882. That is when three financial reporters, Charles Dow, Edward Jones, and Charles Bergstresser set up the Dow Jones and Company in New York City, which focused on providing financial news and information.

Skip

There was no internet around in the 19th century.

Dez

That’s for sure.

Skip

So, how did they report financial news? Through a newspaper?

Dez

They started publishing a daily financial bulletin called “The Customer's Afternoon Letter," which included stock market news and analysis. This newsletter eventually evolved into The Wall Street Journal.

Skip

The Wall Street Journal — the go to newspaper for stock tips and analysis.

Dez

Along with the Financial Times or FT in the UK, another go to source for investors.

Skip

That is very true.

Dez

Anyway, in 1884 Charles Dow created his first stock average which was published in The Customer’s Afternoon Letter.

Skip

Before we go any further Dez, let me ask a simple question. What exactly is a stock average?

Dez

A stock average is a basket of stocks that are often seen as a benchmark in a particular industry or sector of the market.

Skip

Okay. So, in other words, it is a group of stocks whose average share prices are used as a performance indicator.

Dez

Yeah, that’s the basic idea. A stock average is also used to gauge the overall health of an economy.

Skip

And Charles Dow created his first stock average in 1884.

Dez

That’s right. Initially, the index consisted of nine railroad companies and two industrial companies for a total of 11 stocks. At one point it grew to 14 stocks, but Dow, with the help of Edward Jones, dropped a few of them. Eventually they settled on 12 stocks — the Dow Dozen as it was known. The index was renamed as the Dow Jones Industrial Average, or DJIA, and was first published in May 1896.

Skip

Very interesting. Are any of those original Dow Dozen stocks still a part of the Dow Jones? I mean, are those companies still around?

Dez

Many of the original companies have been either taken over by other companies or have been sold off. But two companies of the original dozen are still operating today. Although they are no longer key components of the Dow Jones Average.

Skip

And which two companies would those be?

Dez

The American Sugar Company is one.

Skip

Hm. I have never heard of it.

Dez

Well, over the years it morphed into Domino Sugar and then finally Domino Foods in 2001.

Skip

Okay, I have heard of Domino Sugar.

Dez

And then there is General Electric, which has retained its original name.

Skip

Oh, of course. I know General Electric, a very big conglomerate. I would have assumed it would still be on the Dow.

Dez

It was removed from the index in 2018.

Skip

Is that right? What prompted its removal?

Dez

The decision makers who choose which companies belong on the average decided that GE was no longer as influential as it had once been.

Skip

Uh huh. So it was not as good of an indicator of the market.

Dez

Precisely.

Skip

How many companies are on the DJIA today? I am sure it has grown from the original 12.

Dez

And you would indeed be right. In 1928 the Dow Jones expanded to 30 companies.

Skip

Any names that I might know?

Dez

I think so. General Motors, Paramount Pictures, and Sears Roebuck are three names which jump out from that 1928 iteration.

Skip

Household names, although Sears Roebuck is now simply Sears.

Dez

And here’s another one you should have heard of — Standard Oil.

Skip

Oh, of course. The forerunner of today’s ExxonMobil.

Dez

Indeed. But keep in mind that even though the number of stocks listed on the index has stayed at 30 since 1928, the actual companies that are a part of the average do change.

Skip

So not all of those companies on the 1928 list are still on it?

Dez

None of them.

Skip

Wow. How often does that list change?

Dez

As the US economy changes and evolves, companies are listed or delisted from the index. In fact, the Dow Jones Average has changed a total of 58 times since 1896.

Skip

Well, that makes a lot of sense.

Dez

It does. As you would expect, today lots of tech companies, like Apple, Microsoft, Intel, and Cisco are components of the DJIA.

Skip

And what about other, non-tech stocks.

Dez

Well there are several retail and fashion companies, especially Nike and Walmart, they’re on the list. And the online retail giant Amazon was just added in February of this year.

Skip

Is that right? It would seem to me that Amazon would have been on the Dow Jones for quite some time.

Dez

Nope, they are indeed a new addition.

Skip

So how does a company get included on the Dow Jones Average? Is it just a matter of being profitable?

Dez

Being added to the Dow is not simply based on a company's market value or prominence. The index aims to be representative of the broader U.S. economy. Any changes to its components or composition are a reflection that the fundamental drivers of the US economy have changed.

Skip

Right. So back in 1896 there were a lot of railroad companies, in the 1930s there were automotive, retail, and entertainment companies, and today the economy is dominated by technology companies.

Dez

That is a good synopsis, yes. Recently, there has been speculation on whether Nvidia — the dominant player in the AI market — will be added to the Dow.

Skip

With the way AI is headed, I’m sure they will be at some point. Who exactly is responsible for deciding which companies are included on the Dow Average?

Dez

That is a good question. Over its history, the owners of the Dow Jones & Company made those decisions.

Skip

So whoever owned the Dow Jones & Company maintained the Dow Index.

Dez

That was the case. However, the Dow Jones & Company is currently owned by Rupert Murdoch’s NewsCorp and they sold their stake in the Dow Jones Average to the CME Group in 2007. Ever since then, the Dow average has not had any connection to Dow Jones & Company.

Skip

Oh, you know I think that came up in our episode on Rupert Murdoch last year.

Dez

It may have. Currently the Dow Jones Industrial Average is owned and managed by S&P Dow Jones Indices LLC. And they are the ones who decide which companies are added to or taken out of the index.

Skip

It is interesting that the company that gave birth to the Dow Jones Average is no longer involved in the index their founders created.

Dez

I’m sure Charles Dow would be okay with that. After all, the Dow Jones Average was just a tool he created to help investors, who were ultimately his customers, understand the stock market.

Skip

Right. He was just a financial journalist and the Dow Jones index was just one way to attract readers.

Dez

Precisely. But Charles Dow's contributions to finance went beyond just creating this influential index.

Skip

Is that right?

Dez

In fact, he developed a set of six tenets investors could use as a framework for analyzing financial markets. These six principles became known as Dow Theory.

Skip

Mm. Sounds very technical.

Dez

I will try to explain it as simply as possible but Dow Theory is good to know because it is fundamental investing analysis.

Skip

Okay, I will try to follow.

Dez

The first tenet is that the market knows everything.

Skip

Everything?

Dez

Yep. Stock prices represent all available information. Even future events are reflected in the price of the stocks.

Skip

Future events? How is that possible?

Dez

Point is that investors have analyzed stocks and have made predictions for the future and have bought and sold stocks accordingly.

Skip

Okay. The market knows everything.

Dez

The next tenet, or principle of Dow Theory is that there are three types of market trends.

Skip

And they would be?

Dez

They would be short, mid, and long term trends. With the long term trend being the only one that’s important to long term investors.

Skip

Long term investors should ignore daily, weekly and even monthly fluctuations if the longer term trend remains intact.

Dez

Correct. With that in mind, we come to the phases of the long term trend. The first of these phases is the Accumulation Phase.

Skip

The Accumulation Phase.

Dez

Yep. This is when informed investors are buying or selling against the prevailing market sentiment.

Skip

Mmm. In other words, smart investors are buying stocks when everyone else is still bearish.

Dez

That’s right.

Skip

Okay, what is the next phase?

Dez

Then comes the Public Participation phase. This is when the news is out about the stock, and everyone has started to buy.

Skip

Which pushes the price up I suppose.

Dez

That could be the result, yes. And finally — there is the Distribution phase. When the smart money is getting out or selling off their stock because the trend is about to change downward.

Skip

Hm. The hard part is timing I guess.

Dez

True enough. The fourth tenet of Dow Theory is that the trend needs to be confirmed across more than one index. In addition to the Dow Jones Industrial Average there is also the Dow Transport average which charts the price of logistics companies.

Skip

Why is that important, to confirm the trend across indexes?

Dez

The idea is that if the Industrial Average has risen but the Transport Average hasn’t, then the rise is not based on real goods being shipped. If companies are booming the transportation sector should also be rising.

Skip

Okay, that makes sense for companies that create real, physical goods. But does it hold true for software companies or companies that provide services. Their economic activity would not be reflected on the Dow Jones Transport Average.

Dez

And that’s a very good observation, Skip. That is why confirmations or non confirmations by the two indices are indeed less reliable indicators than they used to be.

Skip

Confirmations and non confirmations? What are those?

Dez

In Dow Theory if both indices are rising it's called a confirmation. But if only the Industrial Average is rising it's a non confirmation.

Skip

This Dow Theory stuff is pretty interesting. Which principle are we on now?

Dez

That was the fourth tenet.

Skip

Okay, what is the fifth?

Dez

The fifth principle states that rises in prices must be accompanied by an increase in volume.

Skip

And by volume you mean the number of shares being traded, not the volume of production.

Dez

That’s right. If a stock is drifting higher without any significant increase in volume this rise cannot be considered an indicator of economic growth.

Skip

And what is the last tenet?

Dez

The final principle of Dow Theory states that trends persist until definitive signals indicate otherwise. This spawned a saying in trading circles “The trend is your friend until the end”.

Skip

“The trend is your friend until the end”. What does that mean?

Dez

Simply, investors should stay in a stock if the trend is heading higher and not sell till the trend has definitely changed.

Skip

Okay, that is all very interesting theory. But tell me Dez, what is Dow Theory telling us about the US economy today?

Dez

Earlier this year in May, the Dow average broke above the magic 40,000 point resistance line. But it quickly fell back below that and trading volume is pretty flat.

Skip

Okay, and what does all of that mean?

Dez

Hey, I’m certainly no expert but it looks as though the upward trend is stalling. The question is whether the trend is taking a short breather or is it about to head south.

Skip

Will the Dow start rising again, or will it fall?

Dez

And you know what, I really don’t have an answer to that.

Skip

I’m sure you are not the only one without an answer to that question. And on that note, I think it is time for you and I to get D2V … Down to Vocabulary. Let’s start D2V today with the verb debut. When something debuts, it appears in public for the first time.

Dez

You often hear this word used in the context of the film or TV industry. It indicates the first time an actor or an actress appears on a film.

Skip

That’s true. It often refers to an initial performance of someone or something. In the introduction to today’s episode, Dez told us that the Dow Jones Average debuted in 1896.

Dez

I was saying that the Dow first appeared in 1896. I used the word ‘debut’ to indicate that this was an important first appearance that had a lasting significance.

Skip

We should also point out that ‘debut’ can also be used as a noun. For example, The Dow Jones Average’s debut was revolutionary.

Dez

Good example. Another one would be the debut of the MP3 encoder software for music on the 7th of July 1994. At that time, no one could have anticipated how that debut would have revolutionized the way we listen to music and distribute audio files.

Skip

You are right that it was a significant debut. Podcasting certainly depends on the MP3 format.

Dez

Our next item is the compound adjective ‘go to’ which describes a person or a source of information that is so reliable that it, or he or she, is regularly sought out.

Skip

Someone or something that is reliable and trustworthy.

Dez

In my report, Skip described The Wall Street Journal as the go to publication for stock tips and financial analysis.

Skip

And Dez mentioned The Financial Times is also a go to publication.

Dez

We were saying that both of these newspapers are reliable and sought out by investors looking for accurate financial information.

Skip

I once had a colleague in my office who was the go to person for all things Microsoft. She knew Excel inside and out and created the most amazing spreadsheets.

Dez

This colleague is no longer there to help out with Excel?

Skip

No, unfortunately she isn’t. And she is sorely missed.

Dez

We have a similar go to guy in our office, especially for PowerPoint. He knows all of its features and is really good at explaining how to use it to others. I would hate to think what we would do if he decided to leave.

Skip

I suppose you and I could take an Excel or PowerPoint course.

Dez

Yeah, that would be a solution I guess.

Skip

Our final word for D2V today is the noun tenet. A tenet is a main principle or belief in something. In today’s report Dez explained the six tenets of Dow Theory to us. In other words, he told us about the main principles that Dow Theory is based on.

Dez

I want to point out that many people confuse the word ‘tenet’ with the similar sounding word ‘tenant’.

Skip

That is very true. Tenet, t - e - n - e - t, is a principle or belief. Tenant, t - e - n - a - n - t, is a person who rents an apartment or a company that leases office space.

Dez

Similar sounding words, but completely different meanings.

Skip

Dez, can you give us an example using tenet in a business situation?

Dez

Sure. A core tenet for successful businesses is to always prioritize customer satisfaction above short-term profits.

Skip

I would hope so.

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Skip

Thank you Dez, for that report on the Dow Jones Industrial Average and Dow Theory. It’s nice to know the history behind this very common financial tool.

Dez

No problem, Skip. I hope our listeners enjoyed it.

Skip

So you are now off for a summer holiday to Scotland?

Dez

In a few days, yes. But I’ll be back near the end of August if everything goes as planned.

Skip

Well you enjoy yourself, and stay out of trouble.

Dez

I’ll do my best.

Skip

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Dez

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Skip

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Dez

And is there any difference?

Skip

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Dez

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Skip

That’s right. And the words and phrases we will focus on in the next Bonus D2V episode will be — newfangled, to morph, the smart money, to be definitive, and to take a breather.

Dez

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Skip

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Dez

Got it.

Skip

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Dez

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Dez

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Skip

Very easy.

Dez

Very easy indeed.

Skip

Thanks for listening everyone. See you next time.

Dez

Bye bye.

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