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BuzzFeed’s Hot Sale of Hot Ones

Dec 28, 202422 minSeason 15Ep. 351
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Hot Ones, the wildly popular YouTube interview show where celebrities tackle spicy chicken wings, has a new home. BuzzFeed recently sold the production company behind the hit series, First We Feast, to a group of investors led by an affiliate of George Soros’s fund.

Skip Montreux and Samantha Vega examine the financial pressures that led BuzzFeed to sell Hot Ones. They explore BuzzFeed’s rise as a digital media pioneer, its decision to go public through a SPAC, and the acquisition of Complex Networks in 2021. They also explain how these moves impacted BuzzFeed’s finances and led to the eventual sale of First We Feast.

Their conversation is a great learning resource if you want to build your English listening comprehension skills and expand your business vocabulary. Key points of their discussion include:

  1. Learn the differences between a SPAC and an IPO, and why BuzzFeed opted for a SPAC in 2021.
  2. A breakdown of BuzzFeed’s $300 million purchase of Complex Networks.
  3. How selling Hot Ones has helped BuzzFeed reduce its debt and pivot toward new revenue streams.


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Announcer

From Tokyo, Japan and New Plymouth, New Zealand – this is Down to Business English. With your hosts Skip Montreux and Samantha Vega.

Skip

Happy Holidays Samantha!

Samantha

Happy Holidays to you too, Skip.

Skip

Did you have a nice Christmas?

Samantha

Yes, pretty low key. The weather was nice for Christmas Day and we went down to the beach for sunset.

Skip

Wait a second. You went to the beach?!

Samantha

I know.

Skip

Nice.

Samantha

How about you? How was your Christmas?

Skip

Well you know, here in Tokyo Christmas is a normal working day. So, I actually spent it in the office, writing progress reports for some students I just finished a course with.

Samantha

Ah, that is right. New Year's Eve is the big holiday in Japan.

Skip

Hm. That’s right. Christmas is a very informal event. It’s actually kind of turned into a pseudo Valentine’s day. On Christmas Eve, couples go out for a romantic dinner together and exchange gifts.

Samantha

Isn’t there something about KFC, Kentucky Fried Chicken, being the traditional Christmas dinner?

Skip

Oh yeah, that’s right. KFC is very popular at Christmas time.

Samantha

What’s behind that?

Skip

That is the result of some pretty clever marketing on KFC’s part here in Japan. It dates all the way back to the 1970s.

Samantha

Really.

Skip

Yeah. The manager of the first KFC in Nagoya overheard some foreigners lamenting about missing a turkey dinner for Christmas. So, he did what any self respecting KFC manager would do.

Samantha

He promoted Kentucky Fried Chicken as an alternative to turkey?

Skip

That is exactly what he did. And it was such a success at his store in Nagoya that KFC officially introduced their ‘Kentucky for Christmas’ campaign in 1974, and it caught on.

Samantha

Hmm. What an interesting blend of smart marketing and cultural adaptation.

Skip

Japan is full of examples like that.

Samantha

Well, speaking of chicken, today’s business story is actually somewhat related.

Skip

Really? What are we reporting on today?

Samantha

Do you remember a couple of years ago I introduced you to that YouTube TV program — Hot Ones?

Skip

Hot Ones? Yeah, the interview show where the host interviews high profile celebrities while they eat chicken wings?

Samantha

That’s the one. The host’s name is Sean Evans and he sits down with movie stars and musicians and interviews them while they eat progressively spicier and spicier chicken wings. Thus the title ‘Hot Ones’.

Skip

Yeah. It makes for some pretty funny moments. I love the way Evans introduces each episode. “Welcome to Hot Ones. The show with hot questions with even hotter wings”.

Samantha

Yes, it is a great twist on an old format.

Skip

The last episode I saw, Evan’s was interviewing Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman — just after the latest Deadpool & Wolverine movie came out.

Samantha

Ah, I must have missed that one.

Skip

It … it was hilarious.

Samantha

I’ll have to check it out.

Skip

So why is Hot Ones a business story?

Samantha

Well, Hot Ones just happens to be one of the most successful and profitable internet TV shows in history. They have 14 million YouTube subscribers, generating $US30 million a year in advertising revenue.

Skip

Okay, I’m listening.

Samantha

And they were just sold by their parent company, BuzzFeed.

Skip

BuzzFeed sold Hot Ones?!

Samantha

Actually, they sold the production company that makes Hot Ones — First we Feast — to a group of investors connected to none other than George Soros.

Skip

George Soros?! The legendary hedge fund manager, billionaire, and progressive left-leaning philanthropist?

Samantha

Yep. That’s the one.

Skip

Well, I definitely see the business angle to this story. I do want to hear more.

Samantha

Then let’s do it. Let’s get D2B … Down to Business with BuzzFeed’s Hot Sale of Hot Ones. To fully understand the reason behind this recent sale of Hot Ones, we need to first take a look at BuzzFeed’s history.

Skip

For anyone who doesn't know, BuzzFeed is a digital media company with a focus on news and entertainment.

Samantha

It was founded in 2006 by Jonah Peretti, and when first launched, it really took the internet by storm.

Skip

Yes, I remember those early days well. BuzzFeed seemed to take over the entire internet with their online quizzes, news coverage, and their listicles.

Samantha

That’s right, they pioneered the listicle format. Instead of writing a normal article, they would put all the information into a list and give it a catchy title.

Skip

Those titles were great for SEO and driving internet traffic.

Samantha

BuzzFeed did have a knack for creating viral content.

Skip

The Blue vs. Gold Dress comes to mind.

Samantha

Oh yes! The photograph of a dress that some people saw as blue with black stripes and others saw as gold and white.

Skip

That’s the one. It went viral on the internet like 10 years ago. I saw a white and gold dress. What did you see Samantha?

Samantha

Really. I saw it as black and blue.

Skip

Huh, interesting. Okay, so that was an example of viral content BuzzFeed put out?

Samantha

Well they posted an article about it that helped make it go viral, but I don’t think the photo itself was their original content.

Skip

In any event, BuzzFeed was certainly a hot start up company at one point in time.

Samantha

They were, and they attracted a lot of attention from investors like SoftBank, the venture capital firm Andreessen Horowitz. Even NBCUniveral invested $200 million at one point.

Skip

But that is all private equity investment. Didn’t BuzzFeed IPO not too long ago?

Samantha

Kind of.

Skip

What do you mean, kind of?

Samantha

Well, over the years, as they faced increased competition in the digital media landscape, it became more and more difficult to make a profit.

Skip

Which tends to be the way things go in business.

Samantha

Obviously, investors were not very happy about that. So, in 2021 BuzzFeed decided to raise money by going public.

Skip

So like I said, they IPOed?

Samantha

Not exactly. They raised money through something called a SPAC. But to be honest, I’m not really sure what a SPAC is, or how it is different from an IPO. Do you know?

Skip

I do as a matter of fact.

Samantha

Oh good. Please enlighten me.

Skip

Well you are clear on what an IPO is?

Samantha

Sure. An IPO, or Initial Public Offering, is when a private company is listed on a stock exchange, and shares in the company are sold to raise money.

Skip

That’s exactly right. An IPO raises money by selling shares in a company that has some kind of commercial operation, or existing business. A SPAC, or Special Purpose Acquisition Company on the other hand doesn’t have a commercial operation.

Samantha

Ah. It isn’t actually a business?

Skip

No. It’s simply a newly formed shell company whose only purpose is to raise capital through an IPO and use that money to either acquire or merge with an existing business.

Samantha

So at a basic level, if you buy shares in an IPO you are buying into an existing company. If you invest in a SPAC, you are giving your money to a shell company that will buy an existing company.

Skip

That is the difference.

Samantha

Why would BuzzFeed opt to go the SPAC route instead of a traditional IPO?

Skip

One reason would be there is less paperwork involved in setting up a SPAC, so it's less expensive and is a faster process. Another would be you can purchase companies at the same time you are setting up the SPAC merger and announce predictions about future growth. These are things that you cannot easily do if you IPO.

Samantha

Well that makes a lot of sense then because in the lead up to the SPAC merger, BuzzFeed did in fact make acquisition moves to strengthen their position in digital media, and to expand their audience to younger consumers — the Gen Z and Millennial crowd.

Skip

Two lucrative demographics. If BuzzFeed had a larger access to those audiences, it would make them much more attractive to potential investors.

Samantha

That must have been their strategy, because in June of 2021 they announced they were acquiring the digital media powerhouse Complex Networks, for $300 million.

Skip

$300 million?! Pricey.

Samantha

Very pricey.

Skip

I can honestly say though that I have never heard of Complex Networks.

Samantha

That doesn’t surprise me because you are not part of their target demographic. Their business model focuses on youth culture.

Skip

Youth culture. Yes, definitely I am not their target customer. So, what did BuzzFeed get for that $300 million?

Samantha

They got a few different media properties. The Complex Network brand itself, an entertainment company focused on pop culture. Pigeon and Planes — a music discovery network. As well as another media brand that focuses on sneaker culture and news.

Skip

Sneakers?! As in running shoes?

Samantha

Yes. It’s called Sole Collector.

Skip

Cool name. And I imagine, pretty popular with the younger generation.

Samantha

But the jewel in Complex Network’s crown was their food entertainment label — First we Feast.

Skip

Ah ha. The makers of Hot Ones.

Samantha

Along with several other food related TV programs.

Skip

And you said BuzzFeed announced the acquisition of Complex Networks in June of 2021?

Samantha

Yes, and the deal was finalized on December 3rd of that year — the same day BuzzFeed completed their SPAC merger with 890 5th Avenue Partners, transitioning from a private to a public company. Three days later, on December 6th, the partners listed BuzzFeed on the Nasdaq.

Skip

I’m guessing that this SPAC, what did you say, 890 5th Avenue Partners?

Samantha

Mm.

Skip

They were planning on paying the $300 million price tag for Complex Networks with the capital they raised from going public.

Samantha

That was the plan, but it didn’t work out. In the end they only managed to raise $16.2 million.

Skip

Yikes. Not quite what they were expecting.

Samantha

Not at all. And it left BuzzFeed in a tight spot. Not only had they just put out $300 million for Complex Networks, they were also facing serious revenue declines.

Skip

Making it difficult to turn a profit.

Samantha

After two years of struggles, they decided to sell off some of their Complex Networks properties in February this year, but at a huge loss.

Skip

What did they sell it for?

Samantha

$108.6 million.

Skip

Wow, only around a third of what they originally paid for it.

Samantha

Yes, but like I said, they only sold some of the properties. The sale did not include First we Feast.

Skip

Ah. Probably the most valuable property.

Samantha

But even hanging on to First we Feast and Hot Ones, the bottom line was BuzzFeed was still carrying a debt burden of $124 million.

Skip

Hm. A hefty amount.

Samantha

It is. So, to alleviate some of that pressure and to reduce their debt they eventually made the decision to sell First we Feast.

Skip

It must have been a difficult decision. When did this sale actually go down?

Samantha

BuzzFeed announced the sale earlier this month, on December 12th.

Skip

And the sale price was?

Samantha

$82.5 million.

Skip

Okay. So let’s make sure I’m following all of this. BuzzFeed forked out $300 million for Complex Networks. After a less than spectacular SPAC, they sold off some of the Complex Network properties for $108 million. And then just earlier this month, they sold the crown jewel, First we Feast and Hot Ones for an additional $82.5 million.

Samantha

Hm. In a nutshell, that’s it.

Skip

Tell me more about the buyers. You said it was an investment group connected to George Soros?

Samantha

Yes. The buyer is a consortium of investors led by an affiliate of Soros Fund Management LLC. The group includes Sean Evans, the host of Hot Ones, along with Chris Schonberger, the founder of First We Feast, as well as other notable investors.

Skip

Interesting. What does this mean for the future of Hot Ones and BuzzFeed?

Samantha

With new ownership, there are plans for growth and expansion. Sean Evans will continue as host and take on a creative leadership role. Their goal is to explore new content formats and possibly expand into live events.

Skip

Well it sounds like an exciting time for Hot Ones! And what about BuzzFeed? How will this sale impact them moving forward?

Samantha

For BuzzFeed, this sale has allowed them to significantly reduce their debt burden from $124 to $30 million. In fact, after the sale BuzzFeed’s cash balance is larger than their outstanding debt.

Skip

So the company is under a lot less pressure.

Samantha

Absolutely. They say they are now in a better position to pivot to high-margin, tech-enabled revenue streams.

Skip

What does that mean?

Samantha

I’m guessing it means they are going to invest in AI-powered services that can sell for a lot of money.

Skip

Well, it seems like both BuzzFeed and Hot Ones are entering new chapters in their business journeys.

Samantha

It does. And I’m especially glad that Hot Ones will continue to be around, because I really do enjoy that program.

Skip

Well who doesn’t like watching people torture themselves eating spicy chicken wings.

Samantha

I guess it’s human nature.

Skip

And on that note, I think it is time for us to get D2V … Down to Vocabulary. The first item on our D2V list today is the prefix pseudo.

Samantha

Like other prefixes it is added to the beginning of a word, like unhappy, impossible, or dishonest. ‘Un’, ‘im’, and ‘dis’ are examples of prefixes. They change the meaning of the root word, in these cases to the opposite meaning of the root.

Skip

But the prefix pseudo functions a little differently. It doesn’t create the opposite meaning. Instead, it is used to describe something that is not genuine or is actually fake, but at the same time it appears similar to the real thing.

Samantha

Like pseudoscience — fake science that appears to be real, but isn't.

Skip

Exactly. In the introduction to today’s report, I commented that Christmas in Japan has turned into a “pseudo-Valentine’s Day.” I was saying that in Japan, Christmas is celebrated by couples as a romantic occasion, similar to Valentine’s Day.

Samantha

So, pseudo means something is like the real thing, but not quite the same.

Skip

That’s right. How would you use this in a business context Samantha?

Samantha

Imagine someone in your workplace who takes on leadership responsibilities but doesn’t have the official title. You might call them a pseudo-manager. For example, “Even though Sarah isn’t the team leader, she’s becoming a pseudo-manager, taking charge of organizing schedules and assigning tasks.”

Skip

Perfect. Who’s Sarah? What’s next on our D2V list?

Samantha

Next on the list is the noun knack. K-N-A-C-K. A knack is a special ability or natural talent for doing something easily or well. In today’s report, I said BuzzFeed had a knack for creating viral content.

Skip

In other words, they had a talent, or they were really good at making quizzes, listicles, and news articles that people enjoyed sharing with others on the internet.

Samantha

Notice the pattern, ‘have a knack for doing something’. You always use ‘knack’ with the preposition ‘for’, followed by some gerund or noun.

Skip

Good point. A knack for creating — i-n-g — viral content.

Samantha

What would be some other examples using ‘knack’.

Skip

One of my coworkers has a knack for public speaking. Every time she gives a presentation she is a master at keeping the audience engaged.

Samantha

What about you, Skip? Do you have a knack for something?

Skip

Hmm. I’d like to think I have a knack for explaining tricky business concepts in a simple way.

Samantha

Yeah, I would agree with that. What’s the final word on our list today?

Skip

Our final word on D2V today is the noun demographic. A demographic is a specific group of people that is defined by characteristics such as age, income, or interests.

Samantha

It is often used in marketing or advertising to clearly define the target audience.

Skip

In today’s report, I described Millennials and Gen Z as two lucrative demographics.

Samantha

In that context, demographic refers to groups of people born in specific time periods. Millennials, born in the 1980s and 1990s. Gen Z, born in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Skip

In business, companies often analyze demographics to target customers effectively. For example, a marketing team might say, “Our target demographic for this product is working professionals aged 25 to 40.”

Samantha

Another example might be, “Tik Tok is designed for the Gen Z demographic because they value short, visually engaging content.”

Skip

A demographic I am certainly not a part of.

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Skip

And that is a wrap for Down to Business English for 2024. Thank you Samantha, not only for today’s report on BuzzFeed’s sale of Hot One’s, but for all the work you have done on Down to Business English this year.

Samantha

Ah. My pleasure Skip. It’s been a blast. And I’m looking forward to an all new season in 2025.

Skip

Me too. But you and I are not quite done for this year. D2B Members and Apple Podcast Subscribers, the bonus Down to Vocabulary episode for today’s report will drop sometime between now and December 31.

Samantha

The words and phrases we will be focusing on are: to be high profile, to be catchy, to enlighten, a shell company, and to alleviate.

Skip

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Samantha

And Apple Podcast Subscribers, you don’t have to do anything, the bonus D2V episode will automatically show up in your Apple Podcast app when it is released.

Skip

And if you are not a D2B Member or Apple Podcast Subscriber, don’t worry. Public Down to Business English episodes will be back in the 2nd week of January.

Samantha

We hope everyone has a great New Year!

Skip

Thanks for listening everyone. See you next year.

Samantha

Take care.

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