treats are fun for everyone. Are we rolling? Can we start? Yeah. Oh, hello, hello. Hello everybody. Welcome to dont look under the internet the show where are you?
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like Kiko. He has no style. He really just just destroyed like he called me that song. Everyone else is like they're hot. They're strong.
What do you mean? You can't change it? The games already out, dude.
Everyone else on there. They're like they're hot. They're strong. They're fuckable apes and then the lanky calling it's like he's a doofus. He sucks. Yeah, fun fact.
If you shoot anyone it's gonna hurt. Yeah.
I don't know if you understand. It's a video I have to show you. Yeah,
I heard I heard some of it. But
before I show that off, I have to do a thing and that thing is diluting.
Can I up how steep above your head?
We get diluted people.
Obviously we took a week off from recording last week because we had gotten him Aidan Elliot on which is still yes. Just incredible that that happened. So please, I'm still baffled by that. I'm still it's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, eight and Elliot again, for anyone that is just now listening in for some fucking reason and didn't listen back. He's the guy that created the sun vanished. Yeah, he came
on and talked to us for an hour and 42 minutes. It was wonderful. It was amazing. So much fun.
Yeah, but go go look up the sun vanished on Twitter and his other projects, which you can find on his YouTube on YouTube a Nelly. He has a bunch of music videos. Nice voice.
Oh, nice. Actually, I would check those out. And I asked him to serenade me later.
But because we didn't do that we had a couple. Couple couple a couple a couple of you guys a couple of Hello,
patrons couple of new Patreon
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I was gonna wait for you to talk more. Well. There we go. I'm done. Now.
Some of you I don't remember if I said welcome are not to already at least one of you. So I'm going to say it.
We need like a list. We do need to make a list. I do a paper check. I'm pretty sure if Patreon showed us a list of all of our
it does. No it does. That's crazy. Right. Did that I don't remember what date was last week. So I'm just getting Did I already cover glass eater? I think I did. Okay, so we're gonna say fuck you to glass. Wow. Just kidding. So our new patrons we have four of them. We have Matthew Garcia. Okay, so hello. We have various CNL sinovo I don't know how to pronounce your great buddy. I'm so sorry to embarrass please stick around.
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Which is Stephen. Stephen Safonov
Well, he's not he's not Captain America anymore. Oh, you didn't guess he's an old man who's useless now? Because the these Mr. Rogers Mr. Rogers. He's an old man that's useless now because the government doesn't help their veterans. I mean, he's he doesn't get any benefits or anything because the government sucks Yeah, that's about right yeah. And all he gets is like this band and the only people that get in contact with him are spam calls and he just to
him likely yeah best friend Exactly.
And spam emails he gets those a lot to
his brother in law suspected spam. Yeah suspect.
But yeah, spam emails for days go on to get
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all of our wonderful beautiful patrons you all rock and you deserve at least two kisses from me. Mike, there you go.
I just want to go over something with you real quick. Yeah, had the opportunity for bird scooters that you miss. It's like, the time that he goes out of his way to make sure he does like It's like somebody was like your child. Take the bird scooter. And you're like, thanks. And then you just throw it across the room and you're like And
and then I come up with my oh yeah
yeah so like a bird scooters this nice little like it's got smooth wheels got a frame to stand it's like a segway from point A to point B whereas your version of a bird scooter is more like a bobsled full of glass it's just wish or horrible terrible it's a long ride but we get there your your bird scooters are equivalent to the movie cube to hypercube movie
I've only seen cube one
I agree you're missing out yeah 00
I do enjoy the game that they made the cube where you just get an endless amount of shoes to throw it's pretty great. This is the rent Yeah, guys just walking shoes.
Wait, are you being serious? Right yeah. Oh my God
and you can just just Huck's infinit shoes
that should have just call that shoe hooker instead of Q and I'm so excited to be doing this episode on the on the Cube trilogy fantastic we thought which one did you guys go over because I went over the second one
I went over the fifth
cube cube cube Burnett be the third
So today's topic Wait
Wait my real quick I lost my job okay so today bank today what I lost my job at the bank today. Work at the bank. He was promoted to customer a lady came in she asked me to check her balance so he first so I pushed her over
into the cube
oh my god to get that one out of my system Thank you 10 minutes in and you know what we have not done? Talked about anything relevant.
I talked about the patrons that's irrelevant. patreon.com/deluded pa chuck in whatever you think we're deserving of. It could be something it could be It's probably nothing. Oh also I haven't been plugging buy me a coffee in like forever. We just got like nine beers. That's right. And to us by a bunch of you lovely as people
want to say why it's funny. While say why it's funny tonight.
Because we're not really drinking Hey, yeah, ironically enough the week we get nine beers is the week we're like let's it's cool. We got shit to do this week. Yeah, we got
I know you can tell with our you know, laser focus and our very coherent conversations that we are on topic tonight are trying to get through it.
Speaking of being on topic, you got mail
Markovian.
Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark, Mark Covey and parallax denigrated. Hey, I kept reading it earlier as degenerate. I did that today. Like I was just like, that's that's what it is. Now. It's just it's the agenda. I mean, it's if the shoe fits, honestly.
No, Jason brought this one to our attention and if I'm being Uncle Frank, I'd never heard of it before that see
that's actually a little shocking because this this was like one of the huge internet mysteries this is again back when the internet and forums and we're gonna be talking about using a little bit more today but this is this was like the big mystery
Yeah, this was around that time when the internet was almost as popular as VHS tapes.
God I cannot get the Donkey Kong reps. I'm so sorry. I just it's just jumbling around in here. And I don't know what we're talking about we're actually we're doing the have you had strange dreams? We didn't dream survey. Oh, no. Let's go. Dogs is gonna be talking about his parts and be like and then this email chain came up and you know him well. He's the leader of the pack. Searches going into the DK
guys I'm gonna start making every like person's name and my my topic just like Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong.
Donkey Kong. Yeah, Cranky call.
We apologize for how kind of scatterbrained we are tonight. Um, we apologize if this is very hard to follow you what else is new? Yeah, I mean, we should give this disclaimer at the beginning of every episode, but tonight especially I guess it's super extra you fucking figure it out super extra. You figure it out for sure. But you
know that the Markovian Parallax Denigrate? Yeah, it was a internet mystery that came about in the early early 90s It was very V spooky
V spoof. So it was 1996 is when this little gem made its appearance and it was actually very very similar to how I don't know how many people remember the Video Games episode we did but it was very very similar to how that one popped up. Fucking random, random. So user Here's of Usenet which again, is kind of like Reddit before Reddit was a thing. It was just this huge
Forum Board. It got spammed with messages that reached kind of a, a pinnacle of bizarre and weird, like, especially for the time, especially for the time so no one was really used to seeing these just gobbledygook of fucking words just being thrown at random posts, and like a lot of them. Most of them have kind of gotten lost to time. I'm sure if I dug through the Wayback Machine enough I could find it can't really yeah, there's only one there's only yes there is and it is this was the one I'm
about to read for sure. Um, so this it showed up under the title Markovian Parallax data grid and that was the title of every post that got posted from all that kind of I don't know I want to say has similarities to the posts but I don't think the only similarities that these posts have is the randomness of it was low random before little random had a name. It was just it was literally
just pointless words. It was just word salad is a very good way to put the gobbledygook so I would say I Rundle something it's dumpster grundle horrible thumping but so scheduling, I will read this. This whole thing out front to back because it's the only surviving message from the Markovian Parallax Denigrate. Are you ready? Yeah. And
then after this, we're gonna make it into an NF T and sell it.
You guys are drawing it? I have to say. You ready? Yes. Cool. This is the message from you is gonna be a picture of my ass. It's Doug's fax Hall. So here's the blockchain jitter, bugging McKinley, ape, break Newtonian and Ferring Call Update Cohen air collaborate roof sportswriting Rococo invocate tus shed tower, Derby Sterling pathogenesis s Kotar Edvin. Tissues Novo ITT most chairperson Dwight Hertzog, different pinpoint that don't
school. firelight your anus episodic medicine did he craggy flogging variac brotherhood web impromptu file countenance inheritance cohesion refrigerate morphine napkin inland janeiro nameable yearbook hark. And that's the whole fucking Center mission report. December 16 1991.
Mike, did you take anything from that?
I think I just You just unlocked to the sleeper agent.
Mike Scott actually just had a really good thought about all this that he like his sleeper agent comment. Oh, could you imagine like, what if that was like, just activated a bunch of Russian agents or some shit? Yeah, right. Like, people were just like running tippity tap on the fucking computer one day and they're like, Charles Dingo bop. Oh, no. And then like just wanting to kill them out? What if like it'd be very funny if this was that, but they weren't
sure if it works. And so they did it and then they didn't get any responses and they assumed it didn't. So everybody who was a sleeper is now just hanging out in for eternity. Just like in this fucking unlocked mode. Do I? Oh, God do I kind of still waiting. But But yeah, that was the initial. That was your introduction to this whole mystery. From here. It only gets weirder more convoluted, less clear. It's just a mouth more
open, happier, happier. More so currently later accounts hundreds of these fucking word salad messages flooded different discussion groups on Usenet right around August 5 in 1996. And everybody just fucking went in sane about it much like people do for it now. They started with a bunch of forums, a bunch of discussion groups. And this went on for a long fucking time none of this ever really turned up any like, like actual answers,
like died down until the article was published about it. Like everyone's just it just faded into obscurity literally
until 2006. It just fucking said okay, no one's giving us answers about this like the internet went nuts for a while and then much like a like a poorly run arg or something of the fashion. The interest just died down for lack of response and no one was getting anywhere with this. Mmm hmm, do I go do i do i divulges this now? Or are you or are you going to go? Alright, you know
what? I'll let you do it. Oh, Hey, so all of these fucked up messages leading to seemingly nothing, they all kind of left kind of a dead end until one day. Someone did discover something. It was a long time from 1996. But they discovered a an email. Who's what? What email was that? Mike?
Um, first and foremost, I just want to say one thing real quick is it died down to like 2000 like six and then pretty much nothing again after that. And then we get a news web article that came out in 2012 from The Daily Dot, the dots kind of what brought it back into popularity, like if you look up the Markovian, Parallax Denigrate every single person that talks about this references that Daily Dot article up coilers i Yeah, we did.
We are not outside people.
But I mean, it gets because the guy that like did that article, like went pretty deep into like, explanations and explorations?
Well, I remember what's going on, when I pitched this idea to you guys. We were all like, Okay, this is gonna take some work, because this is one of those that we actually have to like, make a conceited and conscious effort to try and solve ourselves because no one has yet there was no like, here's a fucking bulleted list of all the things that you can talk about. Here's the main points. Here's what you should know what you shouldn't know yada, yada, yada. There was none
of that. But until this came out,
yeah. And in that article, they referenced the email address that created this post on Usenet. And it belong to one, Susan Lindauer. Which
Oh, yeah, yes, Susan. She doesn't know Susan, we
go way back off flip. She gave me my mother's casserole recipe. Anyway, she gave. So Susan Lindauer for those of you that don't know who she is TLDR she is someone who's she's a CSI asset, who was sent to basically
make sure she CSI is a
CIA, CIA asset. Maybe I had been drinking
SVU or
SUV. She was a CIA asset that was also tried for being basically a spy for the Iraqi government.
Totally. Obviously, being a basic bitch. Yeah, really. I've literally had the same thought.
So this bait this woman to the basic bitch is just your average like, politician woman who just had, like,
she was, yeah, she had
connections everywhere. That's how she got her start. Her dad was like a guy like Republican, like running for governor in Alaska. And he she got connections into working for news, like news companies and writing articles for them on politics and geopolitical, you know, issues that are going on.
She got connections to like George Bush and like FBI, to where she had like an FBI like, kind of like a a wing man, I guess you could say like someone that was kind of like giving her information, like from the FBI. informant, informant. Thank you. That's what kind of but they weren't whistleblower. They weren't doing anything illegal. She's the whistleblower.
She has a whistle.
They weren't doing anything illegal. But she's like, Yeah, this is my in into the FBI.
Yeah. Good job, the newer somebody here forms. Oh, my God.
She got connections, that were able to get her to go over to Iraq. And basically, you know, work with Iraqi government, and a bunch of like, the surrounding areas government as well. To where she became very, like, anti war, essentially, like, she was like, oh, yeah, the, you know, she was she became a whistleblower, basically saying how, like, the United States is trying to blame like, Iraq and like Saudi Arabia and all these places for the 911 attacks, when it was an inside
job. And she was trying to whistle blow that basically saying that 911 was an inside job. We saw that one. Yeah, America's just trying to go to war for war sake. And then that's what caused her to go into you know, being tried as basically a spy for another government.
Kind of like a, like a double agent type thing. Sort of,
it was just like it was it was more or less and you know what she I think she was onto something I'm just saying because yeah, they were straight up like when they were trying her like the courts were even like, yeah, there's we can't hold you on anything. We there's no proof that you've done anything. The FBI just wanted to shutter THE FUCK UP or whatever she was trying to
flex. As soon as what was it the information of Freedom Act or whatever true patriot act oh whatever Yeah, you know what I'm saying but yeah so like she was saying stuff about tower seven and got like super shut down
they blew it yeah there was she was trying to say like I was a controlled demolition they use the planes as like a cover up for that
building several miles.
Everybody Yeah, apparently are talking
about that right now.
That's that's apparently what got her.
I will say let's rein that back. Episode out there. Yes, for us.
That's what got her in trouble though, as she was trying to release that information. And George Bush was like, I have in it. I don't know if that's what it sounds like. It got to the point where I think it was 2000. I want to say 2004
When she like actually went to the Charest like,
she went to trial and the judge was like, Yeah, you're too crazy to go on trial. Because you're spouting a bunch of nonsense. So they just let her go by just saying like, yeah, you're too crazy. There's not enough evidence here. I love
the word they used for it. They said she had delusions of grandeur. Yeah, I was like, that's a very nice way of saying you're fucking crazy. Yeah, so ever
since she's just been kind of chillin doing her own thing. She wrote a book and I think like 2010 I want to say 2009 Somewhere around there. And then she just periodically goes on like TV every now and then just to be like dial 911 was a cover up all this stuff. And yeah, I mean, we're like we know Yeah. But like yeah, she she pretty much was just a a person who had well connections who was basically arrested for being a spy for almost no reason. That's basically her TLDR but
kind of reminds me lanky calm a little bit.
It's not gonna go a little bit. Please
just meet him. So I found out that doesn't work on the track at all. He doesn't know
in the sun vanished. You can hear
like my mics off. My mics off. Yeah, my mics off. It's very funny.
But the reason the reason I want to talk about her so much is because her name is seen in the email. So one of the running theories is, is this some sort of like, coded like message for her?
Or is she sending out secret spy message? Yes. Super secret decoder ring to decode drinker. Exactly.
Yeah, that's pretty much the only connection with this woman is her name was attached to this. Or
is it? I don't know, is it? I don't know.
You guys figured out first that link tree.com.
So you might be wondering why we are suggesting that there is there's two of this person.
She pulled up. What's that movie with Lindsay Lohan and Lindsay Lohan Freaky Friday? Freaky Friday, she pulled a free trap popping here on Yes. Yes. The Parent Trap. Thank you. You're right.
I believe I guess Jesus fuck do
you have a problem? You have something to say I had such a big crush on Lindsay Lohan growing up, man. I tell you what, oh, Ashley Tisdale. I tell you what, oh, love them. Anyway.
Anyway, hey, so Mike just told you all about this lovely batshit insane woman named Susan Lindauer which actually turns out she might have maybe
like the Alex Jones of before Alex Jones. Now that I'm saying thinking about it. Hmm,
I just saw a really funny meme where it's like, Alex Jones like signing off on a podcast and then the next slide is like a frog like washing dishes and he like walks into the room and the frog like turns to him and like grabs him by the shoulders just like when can we tell people about like yell Yes. Um, the reason we visited his bed the reason we've been suggesting
shoot off a gun
throat of all the garbage words that were coming out of here so just refresh my palate
chastens shooting
never the reason we are suggesting that there are two Susan Linda ours is because there are two Susan Linda hours, maybe more. Probably a lot more than that. But two important ones. And that's it. So if your name is Susan Lindauer out there and you're not one of these two. I'm sorry. I have bad news for you. So these can all of these conspiracy theories around the Susan Lindauer that Mike just
talked about. are very like they're very compelling to basically like the FBI or the CIA trying to shut up this lady flexing on her saying like, we're gonna fuck you up if you don't stop this shit. Trying to shut down what she's saying is Sue We're fucking suspicious in my eyes. If they if it wasn't true, like, why the fuck would they care? You know what I mean? Um, the fact they're so compelling let everybody to kind
of like latch on to her. And then you read the rest of the email and the rest of the email address is stopped at just the name Susan Lindauer. You might think it's the crazy Susan Lindauer. And then you read like, it's not hard came from it's, it's at war dot u w SP that edu and UW S P stands for the University of Wisconsin at
Stevens Point. Oops. So now that we have that piece of very easily found information by using your eyes slightly more than you would have before that I only read half email address, you stop at the top I don't care I don't care, Gmail or bust,
Gmail or go fuck yourself. Like we had a very informational episode on no scams, right? We did
gotta read the one that I read I did all the writing for and then couldn't do. Yeah. Let's just take a moment. Right? That's that was nice. Yeah, that was so fucking way too long. Um, so as I was saying, this email that Mike was talking about was sent from susan_lindauer@worf.uw sp.edu. So if you do just a simple search for students, or just anybody who exists on that campus, you will find that there was a Susan Lindauer, who attended as a graduate student in physical education. She
graduated in 1994. And that's about the end of it there.
Yeah. So one might think that she's the one that sent the email.
We know that she's published several papers one bearing titles such as the impact of Arthritis Foundation, aquatic program classes and strength and range motion measures. In women with birthright eating these fucking not me wouldn't be
wild if she also wrote a paper about how 911 was
fucking amazing if that was the second paper that you bought
while your arthritis is Bush's fault. Like if your name is Susan Lindauer you're immediately yours
um, so that's that's about as far as we get with the university can't really tell where she is but if you so the the Daily Dot fuck who wrote this? I can't remember
what it was like Kevin something.
Is it Paul? Morris, Kevin Morris. So Kevin Morris, who wrote writes for The Daily Dot and wrote this article that basically outlines almost everything that we're talking about right now. He got a hold of her or he got a hold of her advisor from University of Wisconsin Stevens Point and said like, yeah, she she was real, but I mean, graduated a while ago, a while ago.
So, a little bit more digging a little bit more digging, and eventually they uncover the fact that she is living in Washington DC. Politics happens, yes. Making trips to the Libyan mission in New York. That's also where politics happen. Oh, no, not not even at all. That's just like a people need help. It's nothing. Nothing too. too sinister. I think. Although people helping people for no other reason than to help them is pretty scary. It's pretty suspicious in my
eyes. Who does that?
So we find out that So Susan, Linda All right, her actual name is Susie Merce Marcel because she got married news change she changed your name now. This man went so far so far. None of this was so he literally like stalked her fate like on Facebook basically. Well thank God like thank you so much. Kevin MORRIS Thank you God. I'm so he finds out that she lives in combined lakes Wisconsin, that's where politics
happens. Yes, this is where politics all the politics happens in combined lakes Wisconsin,
in Oshkosh. Gosh, I don't know.
According to her Facebook profile. She likes the Green Bay Packers Chris Farley and the MTV series the hills. Yeah, I don't care at all so the only reason I mentioned because the following phone call between her and Kevin Morris. He basically mentions our Cobian parallax denigrating was met with I don't What the fuck are you like what are you talking about? Wet? But she also said the reasons we were
just talking about the Packers, what are you talking about?
You can Come over for a playdate cheez the thing that's really funny to me is that if you Google Markovian, Parallax Denigrate, or Susan Lindauer, you will get the inverse. So Markovian you get Susan Lindauer if you Google Susan Lindauer you get Markovian Parallax. She'd never Google herself apparently. To be fair, I don't think I have
either. I've done it once and a pedophile per came up so I
was just a link to your Facebook or was like old creepy guy. And I think it was an older photo because it was in black and white. But yeah, and I think like a golfer. But I mean, so think about all of this. This fucking this lady has no idea what's going on here. Unless she's acting really, really, really well. It's like, these are two different people. The email was sent from this one who has no fucking idea what's going on.
And the other one is a CIA informant double agent caught working with ish Saddam Hussein, like,
and here's the other thing too, is Does that make sense? You haven't reached out to that Susan Lindauer as well, the conspiracy, not one and even she was like, I don't know what the fuck that is. Out there. She's like, I have nothing to do with that. I don't know what that is.
That's what someone who would who does have something to do with it would say absolutely.
What are you going to do?
It's also something who doesn't have something to do with it?
would it really be that way though?
So so far, we've gotten to honestly solid fucking leads on what this could be. And both of them just ended at brick fucking walls. There's nowhere to go from here. Unless, Doug, do you have anything else to say? Yeah, I want y'all to join me. And going back in time for a minute here. Okay. So we have very little theories on those correct. We have about one about one
just the answer, we're gonna talk about you in
the wrong direction for a bit first,
we're gonna make a red herring.
What I'm about to tell you doesn't matter. So listen up. So yeah, let's let's go back in time to 1984 where a man by the name of Rob Pike and Brad Ellis unleashed a character named Mark B. Shane, Mark flux that be Shany. So basically, they unleashed this character onto the Usenet forum net singles, a place where nerds tried to find love basically, commiserated not finding love, because let's be
real. So Mark was named after the Markov chain, a random mathematical process that provided the coding directives for his preferred form of communication. So in you know, lack of better term, he was a robot. Like chatbot Yeah, essentially, like the chatbot that we all probably know of, but ASL and it's like version one
tuna fish.
So, in 1989, an issue of Scientific American explained like what this was, and basically the program was first read and reflect on someone else's work. It then produces a rambling and somewhat confused commentary on the work. Although senses conspicuously absent from Mark de Shane, he's writing, the sounds are certainly there. The overall impression is not unlike that remains in the brain of an inattentive student after a late night study session. So basically, it just doesn't sound
right. Like yeah, there's kind of like, a wrong word. Exactly. So someone else wrote, actually, it's really funny how they describe this man to do this. Fucking thank you so much. Kevin Harris and Kevin Morris, because this is fucking incredible. So it says, or perhaps the brain of a pugnacious literature professor high on mescaline.
What's mescaline?
It's a fun drug. Yeah, it's like acid times 10 or something like peyote? Yeah. So well, so a lot of this is coming from directly from the Daily Dot article. So it's going to sound like I know a lot of big words that I don't, but I literally say them out
loud. Doug is a neural net processor, a
learning computer. I've been learning,
buffering. Still working on the kinks.
It's like an old fact.
Those were so loud. Alright, so while some astute readers of the net singles boards properly guessed that Mark was a product of a computer. Many, many of them believed he was very much real. Just a tad bit eccentric. So I guess he was fooling people with his gobbledygook words and no one was any of the Wiser which kind of blows my mind because I mean to be fair, okay, only after seeing a video games, what would it have also fooled me be like, this is something this is well it did fool Yeah, no,
that's fair. That's fair. So Pike who I mentioned earlier, he now works at Google and he told the Daily Dot that he knows had, you know, many motivations for creating this bot but ultimately grew way too complicated for you know, just pranking people on the internet. And then they pretty much just were, you know, didn't care about it anymore for like, for lack of better word, I guess. So like mark the Shaney.
The Markovian Parallax Denigrate looks a lot like a bot created message that uses Markov chains to randomly generate words. Now, if you're the type to see hidden messages and you know, television, to imagine grand plots in the mundane, some people have postulated that the Markovian Parallax Denigrate was a code or a cipher even like a web version of a shortwave radio number station, which we'll probably cover at some point as well. That may be something the CIA, like a use to relay
messages. Who knows. So get your decoder ring, really all we have? Yeah, I hate my tin box cereal, give me my ring. But ya know, like, so we have pretty much two theories that it's either the Susan Lindau twins thing happening or we have you know, Mark V Shane, these guys that Mr. Mark have kind of seem like they don't they just really don't give a shit give a flying
fuck. But other than that, there was only two major spam events that ever happened in the Usenet history and one was in 1994, from a fucking law firm on immigration law. And one was the Markovian Parallax Denigrate that happened in 1996. Yep. This was can you imagine? I want you to think about what you just said. There was a time in our lives where spam on the internet wasn't a thing two years in between. That's like, that's
insane to me. I opened the internet and I have to fucking hack away spam to get to what I'm trying to fucking find. Yeah, you know, it's just all so crazy. Isn't it just blows my small inferior little noggin. Those were the only two spam events like the major ones. The major ones. Yeah, as far as obviously you're going to have the the worst part is that it's really hard to go back and just look at Usenet now. Yeah, without being able to like you know, really dig through it.
Like actually interact with it like it was meant to be you can't do that anymore, unfortunately. But we have little little blips that we can use to help piece shit together. But that actually does bring us to our our final bit of this whole railer thing is this We was modified just a bit because someone here is lying. The story is not be here's
what we're gonna do. We're gonna do real or fake Real Being is this some sort of weird, like, secret code thing? Or is it fake? And it's just some sort of bot conspiracy or spam? Yeah, conspiracy your spam basically. But real is conspiracy. No, no.
Spam, okay.
Gotta go. I
don't know which word to say. Now. Confusing.
Okay, conspiracy or spam on three. Ready? 123 SP. Y de KDK. I don't know. I think we should end with Mike. I think he really wants to like I feel I feel his fists forming. Now they're
just kind of hanging out. I'm actually just kind of chillin Oh, so wholesome. I mean, I can go into it a little bit. I don't know. Yeah, just talk so there is one youtuber out there that I feel did the best work on to this thing. It's under the channel barely sociable. Yep, it's about an 18 long video and he fucking dives into this shit what's 18 Long 18 minutes do I just say 18 long? I think so. How am I not playing
back? But basically he goes into everything that you can with this to where every other like video or like, you know, podcasts or something you might find talking about this they usually just stop and they're just like it was probably Susan Lindauer you probably some big old government. Things like that
the fax line up pretty fucking nicely.
Here's the neat part. They don't Yep.
That's the fun part.
In the original Daily Dot article, the greater Kevin Morris even states there is no connection between this and Susan. She confirm that she had nothing to do with it. The only thing attaching her is the name, which we already proven. The email did not go or come from her because it's from fucking Wisconsin. She had nothing to do with this. All this was, and here's the big, big reveal. Some some, some guy spammed religious, religious parts of
Usenet. That's all it was. It was just some person just sent a bunch of spam off to a bunch of like, religious sections on Usenet. And it hit one. Like, I think it was like one news section. Yeah, that's all it did. And the way they found or discovered that this was just spam from someone. Because the other the other theory was that this is one of those Markov chain chat bots, not a bot.
Because when they're looking into this, Google, I think, owns Usenet right now or something like that, or at least they have something to do with it, where Google has a section that allows you to go back and view a bunch of Usenet articles. I think it's called, like, bookmarks or Oh, book places or something like that. No, it was called I don't, yeah, it's something like that. But you can go back, you can go back to August 5, when this happened. And you can find a bunch of spam that was just
blown onto Usenet. And they're all very similar to mark Cobian, parallax, Ninigret, same gobbledygook, same weirdness. They all have words that come like we're connected and similar to each other. The Markovian one, surprisingly, is the least bought like one because it was purely random. Whereas these other ones had like words that they all used in common. Like I think Cindy was one of them. For example, yeah, just about every
single post. If you go to August 7, two days later, you find a post from one woman named Catherine, who, in Usenet states, we are aware of a bunch of spam messages that are happening. And they happen to these, these sites. And it lists all these religious sites, and then one of the news ones, and if you look at one of the news sites, it is one of the sites that the Markovian one was sent
to it says it right there. If you look at the Markovian Parallax, denigrates like original post, if you look at where it was sent to it is a religious site that was listed as one that got a bunch of spam. That's all it was just so in some sense, it was just trolling. This is literally extra sections. This is literally
a like a hand picked piece of spam. Like just It's like somebody who was like looking through the was like that one. And that one, and they took all of that and they put it nicely under this title of Markovian. Parallax Denigrate to make everybody think
I don't even think they made the title. I think it was randomly made. Well, okay,
so they entered it into the internet. And the internet immediately grabbed that and was like, it's all the same title. This has connected this has to be something terrible and suspicious. Yeah, fair. That's what the internet does. Yeah. But you're wrong.
But yeah, it was just some guy just trolling a bunch of religious sects. That's all it was just typing
like, tuba. Yeah. What's another word?
Booba scuba Hot Pocket Talk Talk pocket talk pocket. Hat. Hot ham. Yeah, again, like the guy states it clearly in his article, like, there is no conspiracy with Susan lindora person. He didn't try to like build up the conspiracy to it because he, you know, you gotta want him to read the entire article. So the entire time he's like, Oh, if you look the the Wikipedia page for the Markovian Parallax was taken down after you know, the people started looking to Susan Lindauer
coincidence? I think not. And it's like, well, the wiki page was not taken down. One of the people trying to upload it or upload like an update to it. His account was deleted his part was removed because he had no credible sources. Yeah, that's what happened. Yep, that's exactly what Yeah, but like it's just one big spam account. Honestly, it for being like the
internet's like oldest. Well, I don't mystery not much of a mystery no when you actually do the work yeah, like again the barely sociable guy breaks everything down perfectly looks suspicious
as fuck on the surface and that's what that's again that's why that's what draw drew our attention to it as well as half the fucking internet
he even goes into like he goes on this like five minute tangent of like just clicking on like a bunch of articles and watch the videos that cover the microbiome thing and they are all just ended at this is probably a government conspiracy by Susan Landau. He's like, no one read the article. Yeah. Lindauer person. He just like goes on a whole thing about like, no one read the article. And it's hilarious because yeah, right at the end, it's like, oh, yeah, she's gonna do with it.
Yeah, I'm literally looking at it. On top of that they have fucking this guy named Brad Templeton, who apparently is one of the world's few experts on the history of Usenet spam, which is a title you can have apparently, he literally this is what he said about it. He said groups filled with spam. Massive fights took place As against spammers, and over what to do about the spam, people stopped using their email addresses in messages to avoid
harvesting. And people less than that, which is exactly fucking what happened with Susan Lindauer.
Yeah, the only thing that confuses me a little bit is this was sent from that Wisconsin, Susan's email address. So was she the one spamming these religious sites? Or were they harvest us? They
harvested her email because at the time it was posted, she so she graduated two years before this fucking thing even started. I remember when I left college, like, I tried to log into my email like, I don't know, a month later. Fucking it was locked out. Yeah, so the same thing happens here. They've
just got a hold of her email just harvested it Yeah. Okay, that makes sense then, major guests, but
it's a fucking logical guest that so I won't
even say major guests as that's just the one thing I was confused about. Because she was like, I don't know what that is. But it came from your email, but it makes sense. It was the fucking 90s You know, easy was probably just be like, that's your email. To my now? Yeah. Because most people were just like, what? Password? What's the password? Yes, I'll just make it password.
Or email. Yeah, my username is password. And my password is password. So I
have, I used to have a, like a spam email that I would use for like, I would sign up for like, like Netflix, I would I would use for example, if I want to do like their, like free trial or not. And then I'm not left Netflix, like Showtime or something. And I used to want to do like their free trial. I would use a Visa card with like 10 bucks on it. And then I had a spam email that I would sign up under that was just, this is my email one@gmail.com and for password is just this is my
password. And then I have no idea what happened in that email. Can't find it.
Yep. I think we all have some of those last time. Yep.
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you know, and you know, I don't even want to say like, because I know what you're all thinking is like, really? This is what they cover. Yes. Just the whole point. The whole point is to go back to the roots. We got to cover internet mysteries. That's the whole point is of this show is internet mysteries. And this is the internet mystery that started the internet mysteries. Yeah, so yeah, it might seem like a stupid one. But we're gonna cover it because it's on brand. And I'm stupid. I will
say I'm super happy. We didn't try to make this like ooh, when we hit 100 We could do a special episode. The internet's oldest mystery
would have been fun so we're gonna do something else for the 100th episode. Oh yeah, I think we already think we have
we just have to get on
that. Well, we've already said what was on there. Oh, did we? Yes, literally like a dozen times we even said it in the last episode. I realize we drink a lot. Yeah, we're attempting to do ash vlogs for episode 100 But we're gonna see how that fucking go he literally
we've also been flirting with the idea of Marble Hornets Yeah, one of the the honestly those two will be or
or for the 100th episode. We delete all of our content Yeah, we delete all our content start from scratch you prop ourselves from the redo the are you having strange dreams but now that we're better it will be better?
Yeah, probably would be.
Let us know if if you guys would listen to just read recordings of all we'll just draw a line Arn like that one episode stitched together Doug's whole apart from just past audio.
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guy didn't have to nuke you guys. Yeah,
his bit he the last
thing I'm gonna say a few moments. The last thing that was covered Don't worry is Daddy needs more teeth for his teeth collection. So I need all of you to rip out a couple, two or three of those from your jaw. Sounds pretty. It's pretty light. Or if you find like a corpse just rip it out of the corpse and send them to me. Because I could use more teeth. Or sawn has been up my ass lately, but she has been a needy bitch. And you know how those ancient ones are when they get
needy? They get relentless. torturous. Yes,
I was zoned out where? Where am I? Saying goodbye. Whoa.
I just want to tell everyone please, please, please, as always, stay paranoid. But obviously use your head sometimes. But stay paranoid. But make sure you don't make the mistake that literally millions of other people did. And turn something that isn't a conspiracy in your life. I haven't done the classic slap your peens and your beans in a hot minute. So just slap them. Just have them around. Have fun. Have a good time. Be safe. Drink water. Drinking enough water. You're drinking enough water.
Good. slap peens and bake beans are fine. All right, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.
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