Welcome to don't drop the tongs. I'm barrel boy Phil the grill here, Kyle, you're behind barbequ We are starting to roll through January, man, I mean crazy February. Right around the corner. The big game, the super Bowl coming on board here. Can we say super Bowl? You can say super Bowl as it's a game. We can't say it as if though we were talking about like promoting it ourselves, like we're not the official podcast of anything like that. I can't say that. So what we can't say
is, you know, the super Bowl is coming town. We're gonna find out who those teams are going this week. Let's be real. The super Bowl means one Thingballwich football, Ye Marshall bathers. Football is one thing, right, but the big thing. Also, everybody talks about the football, no matter who's playing, men, women, young, old. Everybody talks about the food they're cooking for the super Bowl. What are your super Bowl must haves at your super Bowl party that you're gonna be cooking up? What
are you going with? I don't know. Wings obviously, wings are always a staple, you know. I think wings are easy staple to a million different ways you can do wings. But I think the great way to do wings is just to get your big old pellet smoker, fire them out on there and go or go get yourself to vortex. I'm gonna be dropping. I'm gonna be dropping a bunch of recipes, Vegetabowl recipes every day, super
Bowl Week, super Bowl wings and recipes. We're always good. Sliders are always big Bay that one eighty wing recipe that I'm not sharing because but I can figure it out, you know, But but I like I like sliders. Bro. You know, if you if you go ahead and start curing your brisket now, you can make a bomb behind because I won't let you edit because we showed on top. But a bomb ASTRAMI like a nice ruben, a little slaw, a little bit of a thousand Doland, you know,
on those nice pretzel buns. I gotta tell you know what to change the slider games. In my opinion, kings Hawaiian coming to the table with those pretzel roll sliders. Yes, those pretzel role sliders in kings Hawaiian. You see all these influencers they're paying to. They are so good, so good. Mike Johnson had the first contact with them, dude, they are getting nothing but like sweet Hawaiian. Oh my gosh, Kings Hawaiian. Those
Kings Hawaiian pretzel rolls are incredible. So yeah, uh you know, I mean, I think another easy appetizer, you know, slider whiles that I've done before. Again, balling on a budget. Shami's amazing. Yeah, but let's be real, it takes time. It takes process. Yeah. One that I love to do is you go to yourself some chicken thighs, smoke them, cook them over the hell you want, shred them up real nice and fine in your kitchen. You better believe it best shred in the
world. Get that going on. Take those slider rolls, put yourself down, a little bit of mayonnaise, Get a little toast on both sides, you know, get a little toast on there. Yeah, put some Swiss cheese down, put some put some of that grilled chicken on there. Put some red onion, made a little spicy, slow, little thin barbecue sauce. Slice them up with you. You're done. And the best part about it, you can make that in an hour and a half, two hours
pre game. Yeah, and it's not gonna break your back because that's The tough part with Super Bowl food I find is let's say you go to a party. There's fifteen people at right, everybody brings a dish or too. So you go out and spend fifty sixty hundred bucks whatever to make your thing. You know, you brining a brisk You go all this time and six your sliders get eaten because somebody's been elbow up in the chips and sauce and the bean dip. And you know you're like, don't I put all that
damn work into that and it never got eaten? You know? So yo, so so new fill new year, right? Yeah? And Kyle, yo, yeah, I know you're not going to be eating bread on Super Bowl. I am twenty three days into this die exactly. So the new thing this year is barbecuing vegetables and plant based. Are you down with that? I mean, yeah, I guess you got. I got all these dilemma. I'm trying to hold back my anger right now because I got so
much. I got a story that's later in life. So I've been cooking at the restaurant, right, and I've been feeding all the local business every week, feeding them. But there's one particular person that doesn't eat it because she's a vegetarian, and she's a yeah vegetarian. So she was like telling me different things that she had. Yo, so you can do bes corn? No, okay, Then what's the other word for a vegetarian vegan? Vegan? Maybe she's well, vegan doesn't mean Saladsbyterian, so she's she doesn't
eat meat, she doesn't eat bread, vegan. Whatever it is. Seafood, no seafood, she's but I'm not doing seafood, absolutely not. You're not going to have a fish fry. That's not seafoo. Yeah, what is fish? Fish? What's wronging? She was telling me that she has this dragon fruit, smoked dragon fruit. Don't mess with it. Have you tried it? Okay? I tried to try. Okay, here's what happened. Okay, So what did you do? People? Because I tried it
and it didn't work, I ignored them. I was like, Yo, look, do you go to your steakhouse and ask them for vegan items? Well, all certain certain high end steakhouses are going to have something. Look, so here here's the deal. I tried messing with jackfruit, right and making it into a pull port. It was smelly and sticky. Yeah, yeah, you going to boil it first. Yes, there's a process and you got to get it out that shell, that porky pond shell, right,
and and and the preparation for it was just disgusting my hands. Preparation wasn't worth the return, Yeah exactly. I'm like, for the one to two people, I was like, look, you're gonna have to just order calla Greens Yeah, because let's yeah, I mean, I'm like, I am going to I don't know how many people, but that was the first
one that I am sure. I'm sure. I'm sure Florence is not highly populated with because I mean, and also a lot I don't okay, there's one for I was just like, but I have friends of mine, friends of mine that are vegan and vegetarian. And if they truly are vegan or vegetarian and it's their choice health reasons, uh, you know, social views, you know, animal rights, whatever, that's what they're really into.
They won't beat you over the head with it. They'll be like hey, like they they'll either know what they can have going into a situation, or they'll avoid going to said situation. They'll be like, yeah, no, I'm not going to choose going to a place called Birds and Bones. It's not going to be for me. They're not going to expect you to have. I just feel bad because I every weekend, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I load the employees up with food to the point where they almost look
at me like nobody turns down. Okay, well nobody turns down free food. Then go ahead and just make her a salad. As I was just like, look, I'll figure it out. I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, you know. So my alternative for like vegetarians was mushrooms like yo, mushrooms like so the pella Pello border, Pella border like yo, my mind and your mouth is peller porter bor yo. But but you could you could actually soak that and you can you could actually soak that in like red wine,
yep, red wine. But I get a better taste from what's that sesame oil? Like that toasta sesame oil and then you grill it. Yo. It's like, you can't tell me you're not in one of her stuff jackfruit inside of go ahead and mess with jackfruit and tell me how I did in your patience. You're gonna be like, don't forget this, yo. I was in the kitchen and I had my gloves on and it was just so sticky and smelly, and I was just like, smells. It smells
I've never I've never mess. Smells like like sour socks. And it's sticky, like like you have like syrup, like syrup. Yeah. And I was just like, I just do the whole thing in the trash. I was, let's move past that. Hold on, hold on one more, one more little thing here. I almost had to feel the grill moment, you know how I feel the grill People be like, yo, Phil, I loved your rubs, or I loved your food, this and that. Where can I find you? And he's like, oh yeah, just google
me, right, that's facts. I'm not even pokemona. So I had to go to this. It's like a vendor day type deal, right yeah, yeah, for a food supplier. I saw your videos. You that takes you. You know, you go there and they bring in all their food vendors and you go in there, you walk up and down these aisles, you try food and blah blah blah. I'm on a diet, so I ain't touching nothing. So we're walking through and they got from scrubby pads
to soaps, tough everything you can think of. Bread looked good. I ordered a bunch of samples because you go in there, every case you order is five bucks and it's a case, and I was like, yeah, i'll take that, I'll take that. Types of this blows my mind. I know about it, or I knew about it, but I didn't know to the extent of how bad I personally think. This is there every product you think of, pulled pork, ribs, marinara, sauce, noodles,
beer, cheese, dips, appetizers. Just look at an Applebee's menu. Look at their menu. Every single freaking item comes in a bag or a can that's already done and you just heat it up. Yeah, you didn't know that. I could not believe any of this. He didn't. No, I believed. No, I knew. I knew it. Like I said, I knew you thought. You mean to tell me you thought the local well a craft kid. No, No, No, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying I knew about it, back and cheese and it didn't
come from a bag. Bro. I knew about it, but I didn't know it was to this extent. Okay. This one guy tried to sell me on his steaks. Okay, his steaks. Yeah, here's the bag that says medium rare. Here's the bag that says medium. Here's the bag that says medium. Well but and here's the bag that says that no, hold on, hold on, it gets better. Barrel. So and I'm looking at him and he's like, yeah, all's you gotta do, super simple. Put it in boiling water like a warm it up or put it
in a o and warm it up and serve it and you're done. And I'm like like, I'm flabbergasted. Barrel flabbergasted. And I'm like I'm done. Okay, next guy, this little this little kid bro Hormel okay, starts fired at me. Oh, you gotta try our bacon. Our bacon's the best break. And I'm like, well, I need bacon, you know me. I wrap everything in baker. So he's got all these samples of bacon. Oh try this. Try this. Now you walk in dough like a hotel and everything's out of a can you know bag, Yeah,
they get some in your stomach bacon. So he's showing me all this bacon. I'm like, cool, I was like, you got you got rob bacon. He's like, yeah, we do, but you know this stuff right here is much cheaper and it's already done. And I'm looking at him, I'm like, that broke your heart. He's like, we send you pre DONEA bacon's done. We see it. To do is warm it up in there. Take that off your prep list. Bro. I am And like anybody any swinging Richard okay, can open up a restaurant. You want
to open up a restaurant, Barrow, open up a restaurant. The people down the road want to open a restaurant. Just guess what you call These dudes say, Hey, I want to serve chicken fingers, I want to sew another thing, and anybody just warms up the food like it is so stupid. Yeah, okay, but you guys understood. But I think that you're I know, I know I'm freaking out for the reason well I think you're freaking out of this, but I think you're also I'm going to take
the side of the bag food. I'm gonna take the side of it here and the reason why you're opening it. Why are you opening a restaurant because I enjoy it and because you enjoy food. I enjoy the process cooking. I enjoy it. Okay, great. You know how many people open up restaurants because they want to make money. They also not only that, they look at a restaurant as a real estate investment. They put a restaurant in on a corner that's chicken. Hold on, it's successful. Listen, hold
on, hold on, it's successful. Then that strip mall around it becomes successful. They own, they buy out a building in there. They only sings. People do these things one hundred percent. Think I if I had a bar and I was serving cold drinks and good cocktails, I'd have every bag food in the world because guess what, it would not matter because my goal. No, it doesn't. It matters to you because you're into the food as a businessman. Guess what you Let's just take chicken fingers for example,
or let's think that. Let's take let's take better than that. Let's take let's take a rack of ribs, rack of ribs. How much is the rack of rib is going to cost you? How much is the rack of rib is going to cost you to make? I know I had conversations. Don't don't let me find out you're getting quirky saying you see what I'm saying. Or let's say, let's use Applebee's like the ten ninety nine exactly because guess what, there's a reason why they're a billion dollar company. Bro.
I'm sorry you may not agree with that, that old man, that's just you. Guess what, But I'm telling you right now, Beryl, you come into this restaurant, there won't be one f in thing served in a bag served inspect there will be zero. I respect that, and I get that. And you know what I'm not saying. I'm not saying I would do it this way. But what I am saying is I can understand
why a lot of people do do it that way because guess what. They look at a restaurant and every person who comes in is not a customer that they want to impress with food. That customer is a person that they come in that has a dollar sign above their head, and their goal is to maximize the amount of money that they can take out of that person's pocket without with the least amount of money I have to take out of their pocket. Just being real, and I know you don't want to hear that. That's
what That's what it comes down to them. If you're telling me, if you're telling me that I could serve, if I could serve chicken fingers aside a ranch and some fries, put it out on a plate, and it costs me just I don't know the price. It costs me two dollars to make that all together. And I can turn around flip the basket for twelve Yeah, and I can go ahead and make ten bucks off the top of her off a two dollars thing. Yeah, I'm slinging those all day long,
exactly. Okay, I get it's real, dude, And this is the mind boggling yo. So it's business. I've been in the game. I saw, I saw those. You never did any of this, No, I didn't. But this is the this is the question, right, And I'm gonna use the example, right, shouts out to Emy Mills and Mike Mills. Right, So they have seventeenth Street Barbecue right out in Illinois. She closed one of her locations, yeah, for nineteen years. And I know she made it through the pandemic and still had to close, and
still had to close after nineteen years. And I know she does all of her stuff from crass right, and she's you know, she had like thirty something employees, you know, doing all of that prep work and and sting. But like it, it's like where does that lie? Because we do this hard work and like Barrow opens up next door and he's slinging something simple that he's getting from the bag. We do that hard work. How much more is that appreciated? And then would she have been open for nineteen years
if she was serving crap out of a bag? You never know. No, it is legacy. And she used to run for people that was getting into business and that was a great class that she has for a restaurant class giving you timelines and how to prep and how to do things. So I know they're on top of their game. But they close and shout out to Amy Mills. I love her, that's my auntie. But honestly, like that's the questions, like the authentic articity? How you saying, yeah,
that author thing got rolled in it? Does it all? Does I get it? Yeah? I'm not saying certain people in the podcast are learned. Listen, I understand where you're coming from. Phil. It sucks because you know what she did it the right way. She hustled. And you're right, Kyle, she lasted nineteen years because she had amazing food in amazing quality. And you know what, it sucks if this happened. Yeah, I'm not saying I agree with this, but I'm going to say something else.
Let's go ahead and look at Taco Bell. Okay, hold on, hold, on, hold on hold. One billion dollar company, billions. It's not even Mexican food. It don't matter. They're crushing it. Billions of dollars. And you know what, it's out of that business closed. And I hate to hear that she poured her whole life and sold to that years of life, money, relationships are probably strained all of that. Right, there's something to be said, i'd say, and I agree with it.
There's something to be said with sitting back and counting your stacks of money on your big old boat in the going. I'm okay serving bagged whatever, because guess what I got My wife, I got my kids, I got three generations taken care of. I got all this stuff here and I am living very nicely. And guess what it must be somewhat decent out of a bag because people still coming. Still closed. One location she closed the marrying location,
but she still has a flagship. See what I'm saying, Man, I mean I will quit the business before that ever happened, Well, welcome to fill the grill. I'll quit it. I'll be done. There was one thing. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm just saying what happened. There was one thing and it goes along with what Barrol's saying. There was one thing that stuck out in my mind that a former President Trump had said during the pandemic. He says, yes, everybody's worried about the small
businesses staying alive through this pandemic. But he said he was an ass open saying it, but it made so much truth. He said, don't worry about them, There'll be another business to replace them. And and isn't that true? Like how many small businesses with that passion and you know, small businesses drive on just giving you that good quality, yes stuff, and how they get pushed out by cutting corners and getting something north. I'm not saying
it's right, and I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong. And I love what you're doing and I want to fully support you, and I want to be there to help you. I am gonna say this though, and you're not gonna like it. You're gonna have a very successful run. I think I think it's gonna be a great location until somebody goes a half mile down the road and they're slinging. They're slinging burgers, wings, whatever,
basic food for a thirty year cost. Because let's be real, people, cocktails, I'll people love good People love good food until it starts hitting their wallet and they're like, man, you know what got His stuff is good? But man, wife and I can't get out of there for for lunch for less than forty bucks. Man, it's the best lunch they've ever
Yeah, but guess what. Guess what I get it. You said you won't fight this to you, say the electric company, But man, I'm sorry, I'm ever money paying my electric bill, but I had the best dang ribs ever in my life. They ain't gonna care and keep that power on. I can't handle it. Okay, I I agree with it. Please understand that. Yeah, it's just it's real. People don't want to hear it. But I got a bunch of stuff from this place, right, I'm gonna try well, no, not back hope. You should have
got some extra stuff. I was getting soups this ministru No no, no, no, no, because I got it, I know, because my dad was like, all right, well calm down, you know, maybe we can use this at the house exactly right. That's maybe if it tastes like, you know, if it tastes like we'll just feed it to rinted t. I was like, oh, it's five bucks. Okay. So we did that and then I'm like, okay, it's two o'clock in the afternoon, and I'm thinking we're out here, way out in bf E Gilbert,
and We're like, let's go on like a little barbecue tour. Let's go check out some barbecue spots. There's a couple of good ones in Gilbert. Well, yes, I went to two of them called well not out there, Nope, that wasn't it, and another and another one out and the out in another part of town. Anyways, we went to these places. One you know, I just wanted to check the ambiance. Check what they're doing with barbecue sauce, is what they're doing with this, this,
this, this, and this. Picked up a couple of tricks, a couple of things that I'm like Yep, I need to do that. Blah blah blah, but brout the food not it was? It was, It was not good, right yea? So I go to the next We go to the next spot. Is the food. But are they in business because of the food? There was no. My dad and I were the only people. Okay, I was gonna say, are they in the food? I was in business because location Monday Mondays? No, that was a Tuesday.
Still Tuesdays are even Mondays? Well, the worst day in the world to go. That's what I told myself on Monday. It's Tuesday. You know, everybody's saving money, you know whatever. Okay, fine, nobody's there. All good. Then I go this next location and it's popping. Okay, Texas style. They got the pits outside, they got the butcher paper up written all the cool stuff. You're like, yes, So I got me some brisket. He slices the brisket in front of you. Then
they bring out the chicken. It's like a small, real, small, little chicken quarter, not a full chicken quarter. It was a small one. Pulls that out, solid gray, wow, sets it on the cudding board that was left over, and I'm looking at it and I tell him. I was like, yo, bro, that's that's gray. It's like, yeah, it's been it's been sitting in the smoker, you know, you know. And I'm playing stupid like yeah. He's like, it's it's
been sitting in the smoker. He's like the wood we use, the pecan that we put on the the chicken, it turns it into this coolest gray color. Now he said, coolist wind? Has gray ever been cool? I'm not eating that gray water? Put it back in this warmer gray wind is great? Win great ever been cool? Great? Scott? How long have we been doing this? We all know gray ain't cool. The brisket was good, a little tough, but it was good. The sides were
good and all that. So that just so it was a Tuesday at two o'clock place is packed. The other place Tuesday at I don't know, one thirty is two dead. So and you know, like I said, you can make you can make it work, and I think you will make it work. I think location is one. I think reputation and word of mouth
is the most valuable thing you can possibly have. You know, I felt like with the Trap House, you have your select few customers that come because they love your food and your quality and it's like no other and they want to talk to you, and and yeah, they want to talk to you. But you know, Phil de Grid wasn't always there right by the time they came in, because twelve o'clock, I was already there four in the morning, So I prepped everything and then I left it to my you know,
my team to serve. Right, So the conversation might have been with you know, the hostess or whatever. But the point I'm making is then you have others that is just passing by and just want like barbecue, and you can probably shock probably fifty percent of them to say, wow, that was the best pull pork sandwich I ever had, or the best brisket sandwich I ever had. Then you have the twenty percent that are all just no
not even Texas, just critics, right, just critics keyboard everything. Yeah, and they just come in just to talk about what you don't have or what they don't like, or they just come around just to get that free food or to get a discount. So prepare yourself because then because one person said to me, it says, you know, this is two thousand and and what twenty one or whatever, and he doesn't give free Wi Fi. No, I'm not Starbucks, like you're supposed to be eating your meal out.
Yeah, but that was a conversation with that would get about our WiFi. Free WiFi should be a must, and I was like, I don't know if yeah, you're not free what I don't know if that is a small restaurant. I'm going to explain this to you as a person, as a person there, as a person who works in a business complay as a person who works in an office building with this, we won't go places on have wi Fi. Why don't you have your own WiFi? Because spot?
Yeah exactly, I got a spot. I couldn't tell your day. It may not be as good inside of your restaurant whatever else. Emails are coming in, you're working all the time. I'm working your lunch wi fi as a musk guy. You know what it's It is absolute Okay, here's and it isn't. It isn't. Oh, I'm gonna be want to sit there like Starbucks for three hours. They ain't gonna do that. There's a whole lot of people who are eating with the right hand I use, and they
want to give my WiFi out to regular customers. If I knew you would one of those customers that would set at the bar and drink and have conversations on phone and you on your laptop, I would give it to you. But just the the kid that comes in, does it hurt you to open up your network? Well? Uh, security security breache, what are you talking about? Because if it's on this you guys? Are you guys the same? G all this work? If it's on a stop it, stop
it? Are you that guy to protect you? Are you that damn foolish? My home at home? Yeah, Alexa, I have three different networks that are in my house that come with my regular basic internet stry. I've got the one that does all the TV's, that one that does the smart elect ones. Guest one. You have three Internet services to guarantee your house those two? If you guarantee one, I guarantee you damn I have one Internet that's Internet here ya go on. He also he also lives in Lockdown,
so string the work is probably White Sky. Can you get Cox? Ain'ting out there? I asked any guys to give him starlink, you know, straight off of my fire systems. Run off start link though, so I got I got cheap the damn internet. Come on, I don't know if I could do that. That's an excuse me. You get free barbecue sauce. The same people probably charged for ranch too. Oh if you act for more than two, if you ask for more than two, then go
ahead and give me a damn discount when my food ain't right. Why wouldn't I better be the best you charged me for ranch? I'm not because you will get to was it? I mean four rounds? Four rounds contains ranch? Okay, that's enough for There aren't certain places there. There's a wing place here in town that you order wings and they charge you for the ranch for the wings, and I'm like, no no wings stock yeah yeah,
like like or there's another place abruptest spot in town. They got these big hubcap size pancakes, and they wanted to give me like a little four ounce of syrup because it's from Vermont and Maple. I was like, give me some anch to Maamus or something. Come on, now, you better have Wi Fi. You don't have Wi Fi. You don't have Wi Fi. I will make sure, let's say free to Wi Fi. I'm not having free WiFi that's not how that is gonna be an issue. We're gonna find
out, Beryl. I'm gonna listen to the customers. All customers are gonna tell me what they want. And if there's a nice, lovely old couple and they need the Wi Fi because they got to talk to their grandson at the table while they're drinking beers, then gets they're a person who's gonna be trying to do work with their right hand eat with their left hand, and they need it. Dude, I won't those places don't have Wi Fi. I don't believe in that at all, one hundred percent. There's certain restaurants
that don't have good Internet. I'm like, I ain't going there because things that happened with work. I can't do it done. You know, I'm actually done. I'm actually texting your partner in crime right now. He's asking about wireless printers for toast. Yeah. I told him. I was like, I got to hit you after what I wish there was a camera there' you're gonna give me that hold on? You want me to bust out my new glasses, there's a camera those away wi Fi please runs the TVs WiFi
runs the then have a for guests. I can't do that. You know how much? Do you know how much these fing these uh what do you call it? Internet providers charged just because you're a bus business. Yes, astronomical? Hey charging for a beer? I want to charge for a beer. I don't have that set price. I want you to charge for a beer. I'm gonna know what you're gonna buy that keg for. You're charging astronomical mark up? You cheap ass, giveaway Wi Fi? Get yourself something.
I don't want to think making the twenty first century has called making twenty first century has called but to say, downtown Phoenix Barrel, it don't matter. You don't want you don't want to be lumped in there with all the other frumpy fools and and Florence. You want to be a destination for the people that are moving there, for the land developers that are going there to
start developing the new stuff. Who going there and going be like, all right, you know what's the let's note the laptop of let's do lunch here, let's have a lunch meeting. Oh we can't go to birds Moans because they don't damn Wi Fi flew away, you know, stop it another corner and don't come another corner. You'd get me round yo, and don't and don't and don't be doing any fight parties because they charged. They charged no matter how many people come or not come. Yeah, yeah it. Don't
get caught. You don't get caught. Nobody's catching Okay, don't post it, don't. There's a couple of people that had a loophole and they got a fine party. You better tell people. You better even go even deeper and tell people that they better not post on anybody. You'll get caught, bro. And I'm gonna give you the example. I'll give you an example. I had a buddy mind knowing a bar in Colorado and he did the same thing. What he was doing was he was bringing an individual fire sticks
exactly and he was and he was getting the thing right. He thought he was the one that was gonna first invent it. Check it out what they did, check it out what they did. They since there were so many different fire sticks that were all coming from like one area. Yeah, Amazon can tell what you were doing. Oh wow. Amazon reached out to UFC and said, hey, we had well bitched out to uf C because by the way, no because they have that's the head. They have a whole
departments. All they do is do securities of this and they say there's twelve things that come this and it comes back redish to a business. That's what they do. Yeah, they got that for YouTube TV. Broa TV's up to six accounts. Brokay and get and wait until wait until you get slapped of a fine from day to white in the seven day White in the UFC world, I say, I'll only take you play musical. We're not We're not. We could not go down this road. No are you playing music?
Yes, yes, you got it. That's all we're gonna talk. What's your licensing? Yeah, you got to sign up for it. Get that because as will come after you, will come after you, and they will shut you down with fines. Do not mess with that. So they're gonna be like, you're playing artists in a restaurant that is creating profit. You're doing this. You need to be doing yeating back. But that's why music and was going. There is a loophole on that, dude, that
is you're gonna get fined like it is your job. You're just gonna so you're seriously gonna play music inside your place. It better be it better, It had better be regular, trust rated. You better not be playing a Spotify or not hear playoff bro Amazon Music. They're gonna shut you down. Yo, bro, Now it's it's it's per square foot if you're under like fifteen hundred, So don't count like the patios, brod Square broy. Don't be cheap. Go get use a music system. I think it's only like
three hundred dollars a year. I'll take it. Do it because if not, the fine is gonna get you. Yeah, and if you do a party and you promote it like you do on social media, that's what they look for. And then and you better not. You better not do anything where you try to play karaoke or yeah karaoke or hire a DJ. All of that shut you down. Yeah, okay, okay, everybody takes some steps back for a second. Hire a DJA, How you're going to get
fined to play inside your place? To find that to play inside your place? No, he's not gonna be set up inside. He's gonna be Like if you hire a DJ, the DJ needs to be the one to carry the license or because the music of the DJ is playing they're making profits. So the DJ is playing Morgan Wallen. The DJ you pay the DJ right that DJ needs to have be playing license music that he pays a service to. Therefore the artists make their cut off. Or you just know you as
a restaurant who is serving food playing artist music. That's why you go into some restaurants, they'll be playing regular FM terrestrial radio. They're doing that because they don't have a music license and they don't want to get shut down. How much is a damn music license? It all depends on square footage. It's ain't no joke. I'm not joking. You got as cat. I actually I wish they could get my buddy on the phone right now. Who used own this bar? He called me when I'll never forget this. He
calls you Andy, and he goes, who's ass cap exactly? And I was like what. He goes, I just got a bill from them, and he goes. It's like saying I need to do this, and he goes and he goes, this is serious. He goes, I ignored it. He goes, they follow up with the phone calls because these people are really legless. Yes, And he goes, I'm trying to negotiate down with him, and he goes they ain't budgeting, and I was like, bro,
do not mess with it. He had he had live music in his place, and he just had some guy from local in town get up and play. Okay, what's the wrong with that playing covers? Get the come on, dude, I'm dead serious. Welcome to the business movie Phoenix, Arizona. My buddy. My buddy's bar was in a town called Palace Sade, Colorado, which was outside of Grand Junction. Made Florence look like a metropolis. Bro, I'm telling you, like any of that stuff, you've
got to have license. Everything's got like they will come after you. Go go get yourself. Look like music, like a streaming service for your business. Those are easy to find. Go get it or get around it, and just play from Trust your radio and that type of stuff. You're not gonna make now. Your competition is gonna be advertising in there. Play the f M radio and just go with it. Why you think I have filled the grill radio at Tripouse, no radio. I'm telling you, dude,
don't mess with that. Guarantee. You asked somebody like Mike Johnson who has all those restaurants you tell you the same thing and be like, oh, yeah, but you know I don't music. How do I get your behind barbecue radio radio? Yeah? Yo, I'll set you up at radio station. Then you gotta pay licensing. I'm telling you, bro like it gets nasty in a hurry, and then they pay a license per song. You pay like a monthly or an annual fee to it, and then they distributed
out. They take care of all of that. Again, I don't know all the details on I have to look it up, but it's you can't just go be like I don't go to build playlist and play it. Yeah, I actually did this, all right, So let's change subjects. We talked about We talked about Super Bowl. We talked about plant based food. So I'm gonna have a guest on because I got one case. I got one next week. No, not next week? Okay, okay, hold
on, before we go any further, what does an ASCAP license? To ASCAP gives you a license to entertain your customer's guests and employees with the largest with the world's largest music repertoire. One of the greatest advantage of the ASCAP license that it gives you the right to perform millions of works in the ASKAP repertoire, which means you can just play whatever. Can I legally play music in my business? You need a public performance license a PPL to publicly play
music in public places. So like any type of business, how much does an ASCAP license cost? And ASKAP license minimums two hundred and seventy seven dollars for the calendar year and for a calendar year twenty twenty two each calendar year thereafter, so two hundred and seventy seven bucks. And it cover your free and it covers you and you're safe. But again, those are the stupid things that you don't Then they come back after you'll be like you have been
playing. You've been opened nine to five for the path boom they smack you just get the license? Has everything? Is everything just a nickel and die. Yes, welcome to the real world, Yes, bro, welcome to life out of wid hell. Yes bro yo. I used to be like dang Son. I made all of his money. It was like everybody's hand was out by the time it was left with me, and my pockets had rabbit is why do you think you know what you should do? No,
you know you seriously, should do I look into it. I another body my know's a bar and did the same thing. He went and got one of those touch tunes systems and he made money off the touchdowns on the side. Plus he had to pay touches me. But again they covered it off. He was like, boom, it's done. I generate some revenue off there. When it ain't working, I can go over and just have it play whatever, and it's done. It generated a little revenue for them.
People liked it. It was a cool thing. They can set the vibe where the night was going because I need to worry about a playlist. Yeah, and if they don't put money in it, it plays. It plays automatically, and again they cover the license and you're safe. Yeah, touch to them, all right? Feel that thing. I used to drop twenty in that second. I like the part where you could spend the extra dollar play get everybody like Christmas music in the middle of the summer at the bar
all the time, people like, who the hell is? I would unplugged it would unplugged it all right, yo, yo, all right? So what's going on with Memphis and May? No, So Memphis in May obviously legendary competition. They've had some issues with the City of Memphis that have been well documented. Some of those issues and involved how the land was left afterwards. There's been some news reports and some news stations have fould have done stories
about potential racial profiling. Again unconfirmed reports, but there's been news stories that have been done about it. There's YouTube videos, there's a lot of different stories. So not to speak on that too much, but I didn't hear that part of it, right, So, like I always had a bad feeling. I was like, you know, you know Memphis of May Man they really getting you know, it handed to them by another big company just
coming in and you know, taking over what they used to have. But it's a lot of little backstories if you kind of google and kind of do your research of incidences that happened at the last Memphis of May that stands out that got you know, news time on there that this seems fair. I didn't have no bad experience with them. I we didn't have I thought it was the greatest time in the world. But but just just just where you place it in your and they seem very organized. They sit wait where you
sit in your chairs, like so at competitions. Right, we go and we place our chairs in our tent and then you know, if the sun is not out you know that bad we might sit in front or whatever. Well, I guess they asked some people to uh move their chairs in there, certain people. But that's a report. That that's a report. It's not confer because I always say, anytime things are reported, there's the reporter side, there's the person who's being reported, and there's the truth. There's
three sides. So we don't want to bash. We don't want to bash anybody. We do know that there is a third competition coming on or third the second competition coming on Smoke Slam that has been announced Slam Smoke, and that competition, that new competition coming to town Smoke Slam is offering some huge Yes you're going huge, pa, I don't think so, you gummy. No, here's here's my thought with it. You know, everybody's saying, I am I gonna get my stuff down there if I oh my gosh,
everybody's saying. Everybody's talking about how the only one competition can survive and trying to run each other out, and everybody's trying to bash on there. My suggestion with this, and I said this. Another podcast that was on this past week is I would like to see Memphis during the month of May become a barbecue destination worldwide. It is both these competitions work together and be like,
oh my god, both of them at the same time. Okay, maybe maybe after this year, one does one weekend, one does the next weekend. Will they work together and absolutely crush it? No, it would be so great to see as as a competitor. I would like to see the best organized organization stand the unorganized one. Bro. The time I did it with you, when we do it organized, they seemed like they had their crap together. Everything was good. Yeah. I tried to sneak in
my seafood entry and that winter storm tornado came in. The lady yelled said, turn around, you ain't doing that. They had their they had an emergency. Everybody ran to the state like there was dad, and you hope that they do. You know. It's like, yeah, and again, I know there's a lot of people who have some very strong views about it. I personally don't know enough, and I don't know if many of us know enough about It's all the inner workings to know is Arley bat Bragg part
of the news. He's the promoter. It looks like he's the promoter of the event. Wow, Arley Bragg. Just so you know, Barrol used to do a lot of the big money contests out here on the West coast. Okay, yeah, yeah, festival every year and that's the only one you can remember. That's the one in del Mar What about about mesquite like that came? Oh you never did the Oh that that's when Smitty was being the weather reporter and somebody went home with a lost dog, like there was
a straight dog young out with us the whole weekend. Yo. That was also the time when Tom had a partner from uh, what's his team's name? Yeah, when when it was Paul and Tom and Sonny got Paul drunk
and he could get up in the boarder Tod was Tom was fits. That's what you get hanging out with the blue I guess, I guess we're to wait and see how these two competitions all work out, because I know there's no other podcast where they went down they went down holes and everybody's got theories and everybody's angry and fired up. It's like, let's let's let it play out. Let's see how it's working out. I would do if if Phil and I were doing Memphis and this skick, you know what we do do
both? You go do Memphis. I can do the other one. You see what I'm saying, Like happened with the most competitions can go inside and work. Yeah. Yeah, the rooms that are picking, like I get it, that's fine. But you got sixteen people with you split it up? Yeah, man, you got you got one bringing big money. Guess what the other one's gonna have to raise their money. They want to survive, and everyone's gonna make more money in Memphis. That will never happen.
So let me ask you guys a question. Let me ask you guys a question on that, right, knowing about the drama with Memphis and may Smoke Slam now coming out you know, new right, and then we got that new rib Association and then Casey B is kind of falling by the waystside right. I feel like Barbecue came out very strong at a certain point, right, and then it just drives. Is barbecue here forever? Is there?
Because they right now contests will but not even just contest. But I'm just saying barbecue as a cuisine, because barbecue is a cuisine and restaurants is gonna be for exactly, but because because you got traditional, right, it started out, let's just go off with the growth, right. It started out
traditional and it all had to be landscaped from a certain area. So we took that and beat that up, right, So now you don't really have to ask, like, you know, where's your barbecue from because it could be from anywhere and you don't have to be following a traditional recipe. But now there's all these infusions with barbecue. So it's like almost like the evolution of hip hop. Hip hop was over a big base breakbeat, and then now we got all of this mumble wrap. Do we still call it hip
hop? Do we still call barbecue barbecue? Once it starts in? Here's the I think about it. I think I think there was a time a few years back where barbecue was the new it thing. Yeah, I think from a consumer point of view and doing it on their own. I think the pandemic was very helpful for it. Very people were at home, couldn't go to restaurants, They got bored, they wanted to do stuff. So
I think that was a huge boom for it. That side of it, I think is kind of started to plateau a little bit, go down and plateau. But I do think it also introduced a whole lot of new people to the game that are kind of keeping it up now. The restaurant side of it, in the cuisine, I think, I would say correctly wrong. Late nineties, early two thousands, everything was barbecue. There was a
barbecue restaurant of some form on every single corner. Ribs, chicken, chicken, all these different places, right, You had them all boom boom, boom, and then they kind of faded. And then I think the wing craze took over. Were wings were everywhere, yes, and then the whole wood fired pizza craze took off with the artist in pizza crazy. I think it's all a big cycle. I think it all kind of comes around and
it comes back around, you know what I mean. You had your whole gourmet burgers where people were going out and spending you thirty dollars with the burgers that had the wagons. And what's that crazy place out in Scottsdale, the Burger Place, which one there's a Burger one Paradise something well you got a couple of you got rehab, rehab. It's incredible, it's incredible. But again, you got all these different places, right. I think it's very
cycle. I think the good place to survive. I think it kind of goes in waves, it kind of goes as it comes. I do think that sometimes the cycle is a good thing because it weeds out some of the places that shouldn't have serving from the bags. Yeah, but is it choking
out the authentic restaurant? And in some cases it is unfortunately, And I'm not going to make teams of companies, but there are companies out there that are in the barbecue world that are owned by massive conglomerates that they can buy it cheaper, keep their price is lower. Yeah. Yeah, that locking their prices because like the you know, the ups and downs the food,
the meat price. The meat price is crazy and you can't keep a structure, you can't keep an overcome, You can't keep raising your prices to your cus they cannot keep absorbing. Yes, the increase in prices. I'll give you a great example, a great this is let's crack. The other day Chipotle. Chipotle's prices went a little bit like sixty cents. Yes. Do you know how many people in this studio or this radio station talking about that? Dude, have you been at Chipotle? My old meally mused to be
thirteen to twenty five. Now it's fourteen to ten, and they're pissed. Yeah, I'm sure it's one of nineties. I'm sure people are pissed. I'm sure. Like I remember when he used to be eleven seventy five, They're like, it's going up a dollar forty yea, and they're going they're breaking it down, and I'm like, yeah, that's thirty cents, forty cents, sixty cents. People notice that. Yeah, And you're right, Phil, you can't keep raising your prices. So you're gonna have to decide
as a restaurant owner. Are you willing to sacrifice your profits, your well being, your family's well being, your sustainability for reputation and consistent senior prices? Yes? Or what I used to do is cross use, right, So like with the trimmings of the brisket and stopped and overcome. That's what I make money off of. Things that you might whether thrown away, like
Smitty with his rib tips. Because you see, though, what they came out and said today or earlier this week, they were talking about food trends and food costs, pork is gonna be It's gonna be gonna go way up this year. I don't think it's gonna go up. I think it's gonna in Arizona. I think it's gonna go down. It's gonna go up. You know, the pork rule in California correct changed. All those suppliers are pulling out of California. Guess where they're gonna go. It's gonna take time.
See guess when you drive forty five minutes drop to drop the crap off at my place. But then they're gonna have to They're gonna have to move operations. They're gonna have to do that type of stuff that costs money, that affects the bottom line. It's not like they can be like, oh, I already got this farm over here set up. Let's go over and do it that base. I gotta move operations and vegetables. I gotta move.
I gotta all this stuff. I mean, the trends say pork is gonna go up, which you don't like to hear, but you, as a restaurant own her how much you're gonna pay for a pork button? Like a dollar fifty dollars? Yeah, for a time? How big of a pork butt? Oh? What are they? Probably twelve? Okay, so it's gonna cost you. What are you gonna do? And the thing goes up to five seventy At one point it went out, we're going to adapt
and overcome, bro. But you see what I'm saying though, That's where I look at what these restaurants and I'm not trying to bag on you, but that's what sucks, and I hate and I hate that. I wish and if I had mine in the perfect world, it would be small business got one price and big business got a different price. But it don't happen. It don't happen. That would never happen, and that's what I hate. Well, and your price gets adjusted on the amount that you buy,
Yes, but you have to lock it in and pay up front. Like so, I know I was at the time when things was just banging, I was like, Okay, alert mean when you see the market change and the rate is going to go up on brisket, right because I knew I was just pushing brisket and ribs out right, and I'll be like, I'll lock in that last skid you have that it's solely for me. I don't need it because I don't have a whole lot of space, But lock it in and send me my brisket. But I had to pay up front for
that skid, you know what I mean. But then I locked in that price. You know what I mean. They're not going to lock in a price if they have to absorb a new price. You see what I'm saying. You gotta lock it in ahead of time, Brodie got Here's another thing I wanted a little bring up for you. You know how this rib Cookoff Association started, yes, right, and it's created a big bus, yes,
like a big big bus. I thought people were signing up. They got over like five hundred people signed up for memberships and there wasn't even one contest yet. Wow, but one happened I think a couple yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah. So not to throw any shade, but we are don't drop the tongs, right yeah yeap. So the SCA State Cookoff Association
came out with a new guideline rule or event now that is RIBS. Wow smart, So you can the promoter can now say okay, we're gonna have a steak event and a ribbon from one thousand dollars down to you know whatever the bottom is first through nine. Then they said, now you can do a rib event as well, pays one thousand dollars and goes down. Plus
you can add your antler. Yeah. Wow, isn't that a little like you know that is that's adapting and overcoming that you just said your competition, I don't SCA s c A looked and goes, damn, I don't I'm taking our teams. No, no, no, we're not taking of teams. I don't think. But wait, if I got a state comp on May fifteenth and I got a rib comp on May fifteenth, I'm like, man, don't do the rib comp? Yeah? Yeah, why wouldn't you
take it? You know what I mean, say you're take it's a little technical, but you know what I mean where you're like, but is it better? You can be like, hey, that May fifteenth weekend, I don't have to choose one of the other ones and the steak ones in Vegas, and I still say, you know what, I'll go do and I can go to there and do both I think they just saw what they had going on. The rip people for causing to change. Man, that's something
just said. When you're when you're causing, when you're causing establishments, get a little bit of an events before we drop that. Hey, that's adapt overcoming again. We got a countdown. Cowtown has a rip. Yes it does open countdown, Yes it does. A world championship. All right, that's hold on one more thing, bro, Why don't we open up? Why don't we do a burger association? A burger bro, When are you gonna have time to do this? Exactly? Well? I believe it.
YouTube oversee try to be difficult here. We struggle to be able to and I can't want to know this podcast once a week. But I'm telling you, I'm just just being shooting, shooting straight between the eyeballs. That one sports this uh once, this restaurant is popping. Yeah that back that back parking lot. I thought I got that big old parking lot. We're gonna do some events out the a hole, gonna have event insurance. Yeah, you gotta get it. You gotta get all that. I have all that.
But you're always throwing you know what I'm saying he's throwing shade always get throwing. Does the person stay in Scottsdale as lets me let me run the town of floor This person who's done events all over the place. And I've been to so many events of people like yourself. Yeah, who go in and be like I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna have these plans And you're
like, yeah, did you ever ask somebody's ever done with these? Because let me tell you what, I just shot twelve holes in your dang proposal and your event is going to bomb and you're gonna lose fifty thousand dollars and now you're gonna be mad at me because no one came in or wonder why barrel? Why is this that the inspectors always come out in the middle of the event, like during this setup, Hey what you guys doing over here? Hey do you have a proper blah blah blah, Hey you don't pull
it out? They've read I have seen I have seen so many events. No, I've seen events. Check this out. This was we did. This was a classic. We did uh the Aps Electric Light Parade, which is a huge light up nighttime parade through the Phoenix. Right, everybody wraps their vehicles and Christmas lights and goes goes down it. Our lights were all powered off of the vehicle, right yeah. Yeah. We didn't have any generators, we didn't have any external batteries. We were just run off inverters.
Yeah whatever, Right, we're getting ready to roll like it's like they're staging us. It's go time. City Phoenix Fire Marshal walks up and goes, all right, do a safety check. You guys got a fire extinguishers And we're like that's a good one, and we're like for net uh yeah, you guys are out of the parade, get a fire get a fire extinguisher. Well, man, let me tell you what. We sent somebody scramble into wherever. And we weren't the only one. Like every other person
in the parade was doing the things. And I'm like, man, that dude just showed up and it was like and you're like later, we're all run and he's like, standard operating procedures. There must be a fire extinguisher in every vehicle, no matter what it is. Bone you got a hat
and it's like, oh no, we had another thing. We had the same thing happened and we had a fire man on the team when he's in Memphis at bay we had to say, well, yeah, said We's like, we don't have a fire stiingla ship, but we got a fire man. I didn't another event. I did another event. I'll never forget this one. We're we It wasn't us. We were a part of the event. Like we were like you should say, they help kids, promoter or whatever come out and do it. And we're sitting there in the promoter or
the fire marshals safety whatever. The person comes up and goes, yeah, this ven is gonna work, and we're like, why not. They didn't have the right extension cords. They weren't like the heaviest duties extension cords. And I'm like, oh my Goshet tension cords. But again that's the stuff they look for, you know, and you're like scramble. I remember, like this promoter like running trying to find the big, heavy gauge extension cords to operate something. I'm like, oh, God, dang man, yo,
one thing before we go. Uh uh, let's go lions bro Huh. I'm cheerful. Huh, I'm cheerful. The script is written but but but but here's the deal. Here's a deal that I don't think Vegas thought about or anybody else. If if Detroit makes it to Vegas, you know how many mink codes, crocs I mean no, yeah, the crocodiles shoes, and they're gonna need a lot of him. See, I'm just gonna say they're gonna probably. Man, I gotta tell you it's been it's been
a great run. I don't see his beating the Niners. I do. If Demo Samuel is on the field, they're gonna two interceptions that they dropped. You don't care the name of the game. Demos in the game. We're gonna have her hands full. Devo's not playing. It's not playing the city. And let me tell you something. You got Kansas City with Taylor Swift. And look at Taylor Swift's fans, right, just hurt herself?
Okay's they won her and that team in the super Bowl. Right, Well, you've got all these viewers, now hold on, they better get nine body man. Then you got Detroit, Marshall mathers Eminem Slim Shady. You said written how many ready how many fans of slim Stadio did you see him at the game? And they put on his song and the whole stadium started saying what I'm saying to be the Kansas City Chiefs and the Detroit Line. I hope, man, you better sell everything and go. I hope.
But I'm gonna tell you, Beryl could be like, no more podcasts. I'm gonna tell you. I don't know whether or not. Look if we can look, I'm just happy to be We're playing with house money. At this point, they were playing with straight up house money. I do want to say this. I thought this was really interesting. Who's been to more NFC Championship games? All start here? Every times I got that beam sent to me, get the hell in the last twenty five years, I hate
him Eryl, Okay, I just want to say that. Moving that out there. Also, Hey, I got to show some love here to the pitt Life Barbecue podcast. Johnny had me on a very good I had me on on Monday. It was cool going on with him, so thank you. Johnny had first ever met him. Man, he was rocking at Northeastern Accent. It was awesome. He was good. Yeah, the Pit Life BBQ podcast. Check him out. Cool peeps with that. Some thing I gotta say, I want to wrap this up, but I want to say
I love the barbecue community. Yes, everybody is so dang nice. Yes, And it's like everybody coming in like there's other genres or formats of podcasts where people are competing. Man, it's like, you know, like you ain't helping him, you ain't doing this. Your elbows up. The Barbecue Podcast Live, everybody is so dang welcoming and nice, and hey, come on and plug my podcast, you plug your podcast. Let's all work together, let's all do this. And I'm like, man, that is so
dang yes. You you know my quote for that it is barbecue sauce is thicker than water. It's true. And I'm that phil the girls philosophical. Thank you so much