[encore] Aparna Nancherla

Hey, Dana Zembeckys. What you're about to hear is an encore presentation of one of our favorite episodes from the Don't Ask Tig Archives. Please enjoy. Hey, Don't Ask Tig fans, it's your friend TIG. I wanted to go back to my episode with Ron Funches when a listener named Carrie wrote in asking for Los Angeles travel advice. I told Carrie to go to a very specific spot,

on Beverly Boulevard. Well, I've got some sad news for Carrie and everyone else. The shoe store, or it's actually, it's a cobbler named Roberto's. It has sadly closed. And I didn't know it because I've been in New Orleans for the past three months on and off filming a movie. And when I got home, I passed it, and I saw that it had closed.

I know it sounds ridiculous, but it was one of my favorite windows to look into. The window dressing was so incredible. If I can find an old picture of it, I will post it on social media. So look out for that photo. If I can find it and Carrie, I hope you still enjoyed your visit to LA. And wherever you live, Carrie, I hope that my tour called Hello again will be coming through your city. And everyone else's city. I'm going to all these major markets, a few Canadian cities.

Go to Tignotaro.com for all show information. There's links to get your tickets. Maybe you don't know what to get people for the holidays. I know what to get them tickets to my show. And it's my Hello again tour. And you must come and see why it's called Hello again. I know you probably think I know why it's called this. Maybe you do. I doubt you do. But come say hello to my face. All right. Now on with the show.

I still co-host a weekly show here in Brooklyn that we like started back up live. And that's been really nice just being around comedians and like being in a show environment. But I've just been hosting. I haven't really been doing my own material. And it makes me like miss it a bit. Who's material have you been doing? I've been doing. I've just been listening to other comics and it's like repurposing. You've been known for that for years. You're good at it. Yeah.

This is Don't Ask TIG. I'm TIG Notaro. And I'm wondering if I should call fans of the show Don't Ask Trinance. Let me know what you think or don't. My guest today is a comedian who played the belabored HR rep Grace on the Comedy Central Show corporate. You can also hear her as the voice of Holly Hawk on Bojack Horseman and watch her stand-up special on Netflix. Dear dear old pal, a partner, nonchurla. I'm so happy to have you on the show today. I'm happy to be here in this virtual environment.

I know. I don't think I've interacted with you virtually or at all in the pandemic. No. I haven't seen you. Haven't talked to you. You know how you decide some people you're just going to cut out. I think we're at that stage. Our friendship had definitely come to the point where it was like we need to go deeper or just cut this off. And we both without discussion decided to cut each other loose. Yeah, which ironically is a sign we're really on the same wavelength.

That is ironic. Isn't it? Aparna, how are you? How's it going? I'm I cannot complain. I was writing a book when the pandemic started and I will say it is one activity that was not severely impacted by having to change our lifestyle completely. Turns out you can write a book from the comfort of your own home. Yeah. But I know you've written a book and not to ask you advice on your own advice show. But if you have any advice for writing a book, I could still use all the help I can get.

You know, I had a friend of mine who is an editor. She's edited, you know, columns and books. And I hired her on my book because I'd known her for like 20 years to really help me examine my life and do stories and just things out of me that were really helpful because you know, it's kind of like writing stand up where you are so used to something that happened in your life or telling a story off stage that you don't even realize it would be funny on stage.

Right. It's just a part of your living and breathing. Yeah. And my friend was really helpful in pointing out those things about me and my life and also remembering that really basic and sometimes frustrating thing of just showing up. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I found out with writing that book, which took me four years and it's a book that you could read in an afternoon by a pool. It's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. Oh, it's so hard. I think I'm on year two now. So I'm getting there.

But I think you're right. The showing up is really important. And I think because it's such a different muscle than stand up where people are depending on you to show up and you're kind of just responsible to yourself to put in the time. It makes it so much harder and there isn't like a group of people to applaud you for showing up. Yeah. You're showing up totally for yourself, privately at home. And it's a whole different thing.

Yeah. Also knowing really what to edit out because after four years, so much of what I wrote, I went back. Why on earth would I spend this much time on this person? Right. Or this moment. And that's what's really nice too. In taking four years to write a book, is that you can narrow it down to what's important for the book. Yeah. It feels like when you're just getting it all out, you're like that terrible person at a party who tells a story by including everything not needed.

Yeah. So I know. Yes. When you just edit it, you're just like, what was I even trying to say? This doesn't have a point. You're lucky that those people only show up to parties. I find them everywhere every day. I think I said information. I don't even go to that many parties. I said that to sound more relatable. And I was looking at you thinking, I know she's done party. What is she talking about?

So this makes it even more minimal the amount that you're running into these people that don't know how to edit. No, I run into them like on a plane or they're everywhere. Everywhere. Everywhere. And people are listening to this part right now going, God edit yourselves ladies. Wrap it up. Wrap it up. Now speaking of partying, you've talked about how you were a shy kid growing up. Yeah. Growing up and being too nervous to even hand pizza hut cashier money.

How do you imagine that shyness shaped your comedy? I think it just made me very, and I don't even think this is that rare among comedians, but it just made me a very keen observer of other people. Because I constantly felt kind of on the outside of other people's like easy ability to kind of just integrate themselves in social situation. So I always felt like I was studying other people in the way they behave to kind of get clues almost as to how to act.

So, I mean, I was just like, college major in college. So I think just human behavior in general kind of fascinates me, especially the way we interact with each other. It's an interesting way to look at it. Yeah. And it is funny because people are always like, oh, well, one way to, you know,

ingratiate yourself to people is just really listen and ask good questions. And I was like, I don't know if that's true, because I'm pretty good listener, but I don't think it's like one me a bunch of friends. But you're very popular. You have a good gaggle of howls and people like you. Oh, sure. But I guess it makes me feel like listening is the key to like becoming this, you know, mogul of friendship. And I don't think that's true.

I just picture you surrounded by just hordes of friends. And you're like, one at a time, hold on, I'm listening. I'm listening to Charlie right now. I have a story to tie. I want to hear it. I can't wait to hear it, but I'm listening to Mary Bell right now. I make everyone standing line. No, no, it's not a line. It's like it's you're in the middle of a circle of people just pulling at you, tugging at the back of your shirt and the front of your shirt and your

leg sounds like the internet. That was the first iteration of the internet. Now the Boston Globe recently published an op-ed with an accompanying photo of you declaring that we're in a golden age of mental health comedy and that stand-ups and other funny people are performing a revolutionary service for public health. Wow. Do you agree with that?

It's surprising to me that I have talked about mental health in my own struggles with mental illness in my act, but I don't feel like I was a pioneer in that sense. I felt like I had role models who had done it before, like Maria Bamford, Pat Van Aoswell, I know, and Mark Mirren have all talked about mental health among many other people, Gary Goldman.

There's several. I think I was just like, oh, I guess I'll just add my two cents to this conversation, but I didn't realize that it sort of hadn't peaked yet as a societal topic, which even just feels weird to say, because it's something that's very real that people struggle with and it's strange to think of it as like trending well or something. Yeah, I think there's certain, there's things that happen within our comedy community that probably it takes a beat for it to reach the masses. Yeah.

And so we just think it's like, oh, yeah, we've been this been going on for a long time. Maria Bamford's been doing this forever and then the world might still be like, who's Maria Bamford? Yeah. Or who's this, which is a shame if anybody doesn't know who Maria Bamford is. Right. I can't talk enough about my love for her. I know. Do people typically ask you for advice? I don't even think I'm polite. I think I'm just so in my own head that I'm looking.

I'm good. I have a good listening face, but am I listening? I don't know. Have you heard a word I've said? Let's get started. Our first question comes to us from a protective adult child. Oh. Charlie writes, hello, TIG. I'm looking for advice about what to do about my mom and her questionable dating habits. She resorts to dating apps to find her next match, but all too often she matches with profiles that aim at scamming older women.

They woo her with promises of a date, but right before their meetup, they all end the same with an ask for money to get them out of an unexpected situation. A year ago, she promised to delete her profile and go with safer methods like a traditional matchmaker, but we recently discovered she's back to using the same dating apps as before. She's a smart, professionally successful woman, but something is keeping her from seeking healthy connections with a potential partner.

What can me and my siblings do to support our mother while also protecting her from being scammed? Wow. Whoa. There's so much there. Have you ever dated online? I met my partner online. Oh, okay. I'm not a contender of all places. Wow. Yeah, that feels like the one that people are not meeting lifelong connections, but that's where I met him. Wow. I'm not in the dating, well, I'm married. You were at my wedding. But I'm not familiar with scams on dating apps. This is the first I've heard of this.

I've heard of people who are trying to get them to send money. I think maybe they're targeting older people because they're presumed to be less savvy in that sense, but I guess the hook is that you're forming an emotional connection. Right. And then when I have them, you get the money, but it seems so cool. It's so cool. This doesn't have to do with dating, but I got swindled. I was on my computer at home. Yeah. This message came on and said, your computer is locked for safety reasons.

Somebody was trying to hack your computer, call this number. And so I was like, oh, goodness. And when it's like, oh, my gosh, I went in. I called the number and they were like, yeah, we caught somebody trying to hack into your computer. We're a company that can provide this security service. And it's just X amount of hundreds of dollars. And I was like, thank you so much. And I'm giving them my credit card information. And then I was like, and listen, can I call you back?

And I want maybe want to get this service if my wife wants it or my assistant, who was Thomas, my producer, who was on this show. He was my assistant at the time. I was like, I just want to talk to them and then maybe get their computers. As secure as well. Can you imagine what would have happened to me if I was on a dating app? And then Thomas was looking through my bank account. And he was like, um, TIG, what is this church? And I was like, oh, that reminds me. And I told him this story.

And he goes, I just googled this. Just a quick Google search. You were robbed. And I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, oh my gosh. And so I had to tell Stephanie, which was so embarrassing. And then one day, that company called me. And I took the call and I went into my office. And Stephanie overheard me saying, listen, my assistant told me that you scammed me. And I would like my money back. And they said, okay, go to your bank account online.

And I was getting online, getting my credit card out. I thought I had made them feel bad. And they were going to get my money back. Stephanie overheard this, came running into the office. She was like, what are you doing? And I said, it's those people that scammed me. They're giving me, and she was like, shut your computer down. You can't answer the phone anymore. Oh, no. She was like, they almost robbed you again. I have this side where I take things for face value.

I think I have a naive way about me that surprises Stephanie even nine years into our relationship. She's like, oh my god, I can't believe you believe that. I have that too. I have that same quality. I just don't think people could want to take advantage of me, like willingly, without being like, but what's she about? Let's get to know her a little first. I know. And then I think once I get burned, in a situation, well, I, this doesn't apply, because it almost happened again.

I got on the phone with the people, and I was like trying to be direct, and deal with the situation, and almost got robbed again. But I think in general, I then become like, wait a minute. This feels familiar. This happened. Yes. I know, pay attention. Yeah. So long story to say, I relate. I feel for this person. I do too. I just didn't know it was happening on dating apps. I had no, I probably would have sent the person. Oh, yeah. I would have got him out of debt.

I'd be like, oh, I needed cash sometimes. I needed it. Yeah. I would have been like, oh my god, me and my friend Aparna have been down on our finances. But let me call her. We'll get a group conference call going. And we'll get you out of this hole you're in. What I immediately thought of when I heard the question first was, oh, there should be like a training course for online dating. Well, that's very unsexy. Oh, it's very unsexy. To go through a training course. Aparna.

But this should be called Don't Ask TIG or Aparna. You know what I think we can do. For this person, this lovely Charlie who's trying to help, yeah, a parent out, is we can open up the phone lines. Yes. To try and meet someone for this mother. Yes. Okay. If you are looking for a smart, professionally successful woman who is seeking healthy connections in a potential partner, call whatever my phone number is. And let's, let's hook Charlie's mother up. I think that's great.

We'll become the dating service. We'll be the go between. Yes. Yes. Yes. All right. Charlie, I hope we can help your mother. There are plenty of fish in the sea. So many. But unfortunately, some of them are in fact catfish. Yes. Yes. Aparna, it's time for a break and then we'll get back to more questions. Rakuten is the smartest way to save money when you shop because members get cash back at over 3,500 stores. You have a lot of work to do and it's just a matter of time.

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Yeah. I feel so far from that person, but when I was that age, I didn't fully, I think I was a little bit sheltered as to like, not what the military does, but I think I was on this mental journey where I was like, oh, I gotta go somewhere where they're gonna teach me how to be more disciplined in my life and be a leader. And I just, I kind of fed into all the those army ads that are like, we're gonna make you into a great person. Oh my gosh, you have to put out your own.

I'm kind of seeing it as a cartoon, like little young Aparna. Yeah. This little girl that's like four and they're like, we want you. I'm like, me? Me? Oh my gosh, okay. Yeah, that is, that's wild. Um, this, this next question, yeah, concern someone who did join the armed services. Oh, Celia writes, hi, TIG, how do I make this holiday season special for my fiance before he leaves for deployment?

He wants it to be just me and him for the holidays and I want to prevent just sitting around doing nothing. And it's difficult to come up with things since we live in a very small town. Thanks. Whoa, now this one short and sweet, but still a lot, yeah, a lot to think about. What do you do with your special person from Tinder? We, I mean, you know, we'll do the standard date nights dinner, movie. We like nature a lot. So we go to like gardens or for hikes.

Yeah. But I feel like they're asking for like a special set of events to mark an occasion or like a sending off. So I wonder if they like, you know, like kind of kitschy holiday stuff. They didn't really say what, how much they're into the holidays or not. Kitchy holiday stuff, like what, making ornaments together? Yeah, like drive around, see everyone's holiday lights or whatever. That's where they, oh my gosh, I know what you should do.

I know what you should do, this would be amazing and hilarious. I don't know if either of you can sing, but the two of you should go door to door on your street where people know you and sing Christmas carols. Just, just you and your fiancee, Aparna, how great would that be? I mean, as someone who has never had my door knocked down by carolers, I was just saying I would really be delighted. And if only two came. Yes. That would be unforgettable.

It would be a gift to yourself, yeah, and your neighbors. Please do that. If you don't do that, then you're just not willing to make this a special holiday season for Celia, all right? And that is preventing you. You say specifically from just sitting around doing nothing. Yes. So, you're winning. You are up on your feet. You're moving, which is healthy. It's good for you.

And I agree, Aparna, I would be so delighted if I opened my door and there were two people, especially if they had terrible voices. And they were just singing their little hearts out. And we are in a pandemic, so if they had their masks on, even better. Or stand, stand 12 feet back and bolt it out. Get vaccinated and then stand six feet back and sing your little hearts out. Oh my gosh. Amazing. Your fiance is being deployed. Yeah. Okay. Let's back up. Bake some cookies together.

Yeah. Vegan, of course. And then go around the neighborhood, sing in your little hearts off. And we use send video of that place. Please. I'm telling you, I will demand to meet you in person if you do this. Oh, yes. Aparna will be there with you. I will be there. If this happens, I will come. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. We'll come do a show in your small town. Yes. Aparna, you didn't know what you were signing out for with this. Vegan, I will come to you. We'll come to your door.

I will come to you. I will come to you. I will come to you. I will come to you. I will come to you. I will come to you. This is going, please no. Leave me alone, you weirdos. OK, happy holidays to you and your fiance sincerely taken Aparna. Aparna, this next listener needs some advice for her and her partner. OK. Hi, TIG. Thank you for all of your s*** that you continue to do. You're welcome. I'm a funny lady, I will say.

Not on your level on any scale, but I get your humor and I get the hurdles you faced in life being a gay woman or just being a person, right? I've been told to do stand up numerous times. It's been a personal dream for many years, but don't know what the f*** to do with that and the material I have. I may be no good, but I may be f***ed good. I'd really like to hear the truth from someone I sincerely respect. You. Wow. Lauren, first of all, watch your language, my goodness.

What do you, what do you, Chris Rock? He's going to come right out of the gate with all those f-ons, I don't know. Yeah. Who are you, Eddie Murphy? Comedians that cuss? Lauren, here's what I have to say. If you really want to do stand up, nothing is going to stop you from doing stand up. Even if you're terrible, that's the amusing thing with stand up. Is that doesn't stop the majority of people doing it?

But it's also like the universe and the comedy world kind of moves you along or doesn't move you along. And there's still some pretty rotten stand-ups out there making the open-mic scene decades later. And you know what? They love comedy so much. Nothing's going to stop. You know those comedians I'm talking about, apart from the ones that have been at the same coffee shops or comedy clubs doing open-mikes. And I'm like more power to you.

If you guys like, you know how in school where you're, it would be weird to see your teacher outside of school. I shot this family with those comedians where I was like, I don't think they exist outside of this open-mic. Like I couldn't imagine them living the rest of their lives. I can only see them as that thing. Yeah, there's no way they have a job or an apartment or there's no way they have friends or they're in a relationship.

They just occupy the chair that they sit in in the coffee shop for the comedy club. Well, also usually their jokes never change so you're like, nothing is happening to them, clearly. Yeah. But that might not be you, Lauren. Yeah. You know, you say you're a funny lady. So when you say you'd like to hear the truth. Yeah. I was curious about that part. Just based off of her email? Yeah, I can't read too much into your question and be like, wow, you should probably have an HBO special.

But I also, almost 25 years into doing stand-up, I do know that somebody could write a funny or unfunny question and that wouldn't tell you anything about them as a stand-up. That's true. There's so many quirky, weird people, somebody that you can't even imagine would step onto the stage and blow your mind. Like Maria Bamford again. Yes, yes. And then you meet Maria, live next door to you and she's like, oh, I'm, yeah, I just stand up and like really?

And then you go see her and you're just, you're on the floor. Yeah, I guess it's like there's those type of people. But then I also feel like there's the opposite. I mean, not to, you know, take any shine out of your friends saying you're funny, but I feel like that's sometimes a different kind of funny than stand-up funny. Yeah. I mean, there's certainly so many people that I'm told by friends or family like, yeah, you got to meet Carl at the office. He is so funny.

Or you got to meet my neighbor. She is hilarious and she wants to move to Hollywood. And then you know, you meet him and you're like, that's great. I don't know what to tell you. You got to try it out. Yeah, yeah. Nothing will stop you if you want to do it. So that's the only advice I can tell you is you have to do it. Yeah. You have to see how the audience is respond to you and how you feel. Yeah, because you might just be like, oh, this isn't what I thought it was.

Like it isn't even just what the audience thinks. You might just, might not be your thing or you might realize you liked it in a way you didn't even realize. I saw somebody in my first year of comedy, a friend I had made yet on stage and do stand-up. And the terror in her face when she saw it was not going well. The whole thing was falling apart and she took some major, major risks. And it was her first time on stage and she got off like basically crawling on the floor out of there.

And she was like, oh my gosh, I truly thought you were just up there talking and I mean, there's some preparation there. So yeah, I would say Lauren, prep and then go try it out. And if you bomb, go back up again another night, just keep doing it. And I always feel like if you're doing well 51% of the time, then you have reason to believe that you might have something to work with. Or maybe you'll become the other 49% that's bombing and you still love doing it and you just keep doing it.

Yeah. Who knows? And you make those of us right at 51 feel okay. Yeah. Lauren, that's not one but two professional comedians. That's what we think you should do. Yeah. So get out there and break a leg Lauren. We believe in you. It's a part of this final listener question comes from Lori. What if it's Lauren writing back with another question and disguising the name just slightly? Okay. Lori writes, my son is starting college in Brooklyn this fall. How much money do I send them a week?

He plans to get a job at some point, but he's going to need money from us no matter what. What is reasonable? I can't ask other parents in my neighborhood because they are all a lot richer than we are. My instinct out of the gate is to sit down with your son and actually talk about a budget of what your son is reasonably going to need for basic food, shelter, transportation, that kind of thing and a plan for when he needs to have a job.

You know, just I think you need to have a very clear conversation and have it really mapped out. That's a true reasonable answer. Good to see. Make sure he's that was a big show he's not scamming you. Well, I mean, if there is a concern about him scamming you, you could also directly just pay his rent for him. So he's not pocketing cash and just buying whiskey. I think that's a great point.

I do think we don't in general talk enough about money as a society in terms of transparently or like what a budget it. Like I would have loved to know what a budget was much sooner in life. Yeah. Are you just finding out right now? I just learned right now. Oh, okay. Well, I hope it's helpful for you. I'm looking up after that. I think it'd be helpful, you know, if my parents sat down and said, hey, you know, this is what we can do.

Yeah. And it has nothing to do with what your friends parents are doing. But this is the reality of our finances. And here's how we want to and can help you. And then here's where you're going to have to pick up the slack. And here's the point in time when you're going to need to have a job to make that happen. Like maybe you could say the first month will will give you the extra stuff so you can buy all your whiskey. Right. And then after the first month, you know, you're on your own.

I'm assuming that's the only extra stuff a college kid needs is bottles of whiskey. I didn't go to college, so I don't know. But beyond your basic needs, a month later, you're kind on your own to buy, you know, Taco Bell and whiskey. Yeah, because it sounds like maybe Lori's a little bit worried about stacking up with what other parents are giving their kids, but it shouldn't affect her decision or like her conversation with her son. Lori, we dispense the advice.

Now it's time for you to dispense the cash. Aparna, I need you to hang on for one final segment. Okay. We call name that saying. Name the saying. Ooh. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah, this is where we help people figure out what to call their things. Anything from an adult softball team to their emotional support fish, whatever name we decide must be used. No going back. Rachel writes, I love to play trivia with my boyfriend and we are required to submit a team name to play.

The name is called over the sound system several times through the night, so people usually do funny names. We have struggled to come up with a name for our duo team. We are in our 30s, have never won trivia together, but love trying. He's a scuba instructor and I'm a lawyer. I'm from Tennessee and he's from Colorado. I love that vibe of... He's never won, but we love trying.

That's like the fact that your adults and you're still living the way that your parents probably told you to just keep trying. Yeah. You keep showing up. You keep putting in your best effort. Well I have a thought. Do you have any thought on what they should call themselves? I mean honestly I try to be too clever sometimes with these names because I know trivia names are usually very pun heavy.

I think I tried to put in too many elements in the blender because I was like, okay, scuba instructor, lawyer, trivia, trying hard and then so far no hits incorporating all of them. Well I have something. Okay. That I would think was funny if it came over the sound system. Okay. The losers. I like that. I mean it's very... It says it all. What about the earnest losers? Yeah, the earnest... I was going to say maybe we'll buff them up a little bit.

The earnest losers, the joyful losers, something... The lovable losers. The lovable losers. That's beautiful. You're happy they're there, they're lovable. Maybe if they win, somebody would be like, and the winner is the lovable losers. And then they... That'd be a good moment, right? That would be such a triumphant moment for them. All right. Rachel your trivia team is now named the lovable losers. The lovable losers just lean into being the underdog.

Yeah. But Parna and I expect to be thanked in any victory speeches. Yes. Am I right? Please send us the recording. As a lawyer, you know we need the proof. Parna that's the end of the show. Oh. Yeah. You never know when things are going to end and then it's just time to say goodbye. I know. It's kind of like life, right? Yeah. You just don't know when it's going to end and then you say goodbye. Thank you so much for spending time with me and the listeners today. I had a great time.

You've been kind enough to open for me in some very special performances. You opened for me for my HBO taping. You opened for me at Carnegie Hall. Yeah. You are truly one of my favorites. I just think you're just incredible as a human being and as a comedian. And is there anything you'd like to mention? Well, I would like to echo that sentiment right back to you. Feel very lucky to know you as a friend and a comedian.

And I guess if I should plug something, I do a voice on a Fox show called The Great North. Also features great people like Nick Ophrim and Will Fortage and Slate, Paul Rush, Dulse Sloan and the new season is now Sunday's on Fox before Bob's burgers. Incredible. Yeah. And we'll look out for your book whenever that comes out, right? Yeah. You know you'll be getting a copy. Yeah. You know I'll be getting one. I look forward to it. And all right. Well, I'll hope to see you sooner than later. Me too.

Thanks, TIG. Bye. Bye. Also, don't forget that I have a major market national tour called Hello again. You can find more info at my website TIGNOTARO.com. Don't ask TIG is hosted by me TIGNOTARO. This is produced by Thomas Willett, Shana Deloria and Ryan Lour. Our executive producer and editor is Beth Pearlman, engineering and sound mixing by Johnny Vince Evans and Eric Romani, digital production by James Napoli, talent booking by Marianne Ways, production support from Pizza Shark and Dan Latue.

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