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Don Pritts Big Book Workshop 4th Session

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Summary

Don Pritts guides listeners through deeply personal reflections on spiritual awakening, the nature of God, and the practical application of AA principles. He shares insights on overcoming prejudice, embracing a flexible approach to spirituality, and finding joy and purpose in all aspects of life, including "flat times" and challenging relationships. The discussion highlights the transformative power of surrendering to God's will and replacing self-interest with a desire to serve others, illustrated through humorous and poignant anecdotes.

Episode description

From the late Don Pritts,
GrapeVine article, 1988, Part One:

If Our Message Is Clear. . .
In working with professionals, let us keep in mind that for our friends to recommend us, they must understand us. And for that, we are responsible.
As AA grows, cooperating with members of the professional community becomes one of the most important activities we can engage in. We are experiencing a growth beyond our wildest dreams, but with that growth come some problems. Most groups are finding that many of the new people coming to us are not alcoholics, but suffer from many other maladies. The people who refer them have seen the true miracles that happen in AA and, having no other resource,
they lovingly send everyone to us.
While I believe that our recovery program, the Twelve Steps, will work for any problem, our Fellowship of alcoholics does not seem to provide the same service for others as it does for us. Fellowship is a gathering of people of like mind, and while there are many similar behaviors among alcoholics and others suffering from obsessions of many kinds, the alcoholic mind and body are different. According to Dr. Silkworth, in "The Doctor's Opinion" in the Big Book, "This phenomenon [of craving], as we have suggested, may be the manifestation of an allergy which differentiates these people, and sets them apart as a distinct entity." So, as we are experiencing, nonalcoholics coming to our Fellowship cause us to be uncomfortable because we do not really understand them. We cause them to be uncomfortable because we demonstrate that we don't understand them. We know when our principles are applied to problems other than alcohol, in fellowships designed for each problem, such as Narcotics Anonymous, Cocaine Anonymous, or Overeaters Anonymous, the results are the same.

Transcript

The Foundation of Belief and Sponsorship

Thank you. A few things, but not snack, ladies. I came to believe in the power of God because I saw it walking around. In three men. Bruce, Phil, and Roy. I can see it. I came to believe that this could be useful for me by a little thought process. It was clear to me that these three men... accepted me as I was where I was. It was just clear. And it hit me one day that...

If they could do that and as weak and as imperfect as they were, and they really were, as I am and as you are, if they could accept me as I was where I was and as God think we're talking about. Probably could too. It was the beginning of going down that path. I came to trust Bruce. The things I'm telling you, I could not have articulated them. I've learned to articulate them. If he said it, I believed it was so, and I tested it on my own self.

I have since learned to be very, very careful because when you get someone like that, they will do exactly what you say. They will believe anything I say. You have to be very careful what I say. So sponsorship gives me an edge. It forces me to be in the truth. That's a wonderful process we've got here.

Bill Wilson's Spiritual Awakening

When Bill was... You want to remember Bill Wilson awakened spiritually while he was stone drunk. At least that's how I read it. Ebby shows up and he sits there drinking gin with Ebby all afternoon. They talk for hours. Drinking gin. To the point where immediately after the call, they take Bill to the hospital. He's getting ready to go into DT's. In the midst of that, while Bill is drunk, despite the living example of my family, there remained in me some vestiges of my old prejudice.

I've got one of those egos. The word God still arouses a certain antipathy. Because I have all kinds of images attached to the word God. Bruce is suggesting that I forget everything I think I know about anything, especially spiritual matters, meant that. Whatever I believe about God, forget it. That ain't it. to take all the prejudice off the name. When the thought that was expressed that there might be a God personal in me, this feeling was intensified. Amen, brother.

I do not like the idea that God already knows what's going on in my head. Because I'm already cooked, if that's the truth. I don't want anything that close. There's a number of reasons. I also don't want to be like the people who tell me that's what's going on for them. I have this arrogant judgment about spiritual people. I was actually terrified.

Surrendering to God's Will

I believed enough and knew enough to know that if I completely surrendered, God had work for me to do. And I really didn't want the job. Because I knew what it was. He put me on the corner of Colfax and Broadway on a hot day in a brown suit and brown hat, hunting out Watchtower magazines and asking strangers, have you been saved, brother? That's what the job was. I knew it.

I'll do anything but that. See, I'd seen the guy in the brown suit and the brown hat and the brown shoes doing that. We used to make fun of him. And I didn't want that happening to me. And I told Bruce about that. And he laughed. He said, oh, well, let's talk about that. What's the sponsor talk? If you get that from a sponsor, it does not mean let us talk about anything at all. It means you be quiet for a minute, and we'll see if we can get past your thick head.

Now because he loved me, he did what would otherwise be really cruel. You know, truth without love is cruelty. And confrontation without a real answer is brutality. So don't do any of those things. But he loved me, genuinely. He was far more concerned with my life than my feelings. And he had a real answer for me. So he went for it. He said...

Don, do you suppose that the guy that's down there handing out watchtowers today had breakfast where he wanted to? And I said, yeah, probably. And he said, well, you didn't. Do you suppose that that guy who's making a fool of himself down there asking people if they've been saved is wearing clothes that he picked out to do it in? Yeah. He said, well, you're not. Do you suppose when he's all through humiliating himself, that he gets to go home? Well, I didn't.

Because of His great love, He hand-carried me into my new mind and laid its foundation. And the foundation of my life is simply this. Anything at all that God has in mind for me. is better than anything at all that I will ever have in mind for me. Period. And that is how I live and have been living for a long time. And I'm imperfect and I'm weak. But I do live like that.

Now, having come to that conclusion, I made a big mistake. I went back and told him, okay, I'm ready to hand out watchtowers now. And he laughed at me again. He says, oh, that's noble. But he's already got a guy down there doing that. He probably has something else in mind for you. He could have told me that before we went through all the agony.

Anthony down in New York. One of his smart alley guys gave me three watchtowers the other day. And a little hand-scrawled note, show up on Broadway, sign God.

Willingness and Personal Understanding of God

So Bill's fighting and he's drunk. And Ebby says to him, why don't you choose your own conception of God? A statement hit me hard. It melted the icy intellectual mountain. In any shadow I had lived and shivered many years, I stood in the sunlight at last. That sounds like a spiritual awakening to me. And he's drunk. I need to remember you don't have to be sober for God to enter into your life.

I don't want to put any conditions on anybody about when you awaken spiritually. You awaken spiritually when it happens. Not before, not after when it happens. And it's not up to me to decide when that's going to happen or how it's going to look. I'd like to, but I don't. And there's a key word here for me and for all the other intellectuals in the room. It does not say concept.

It says conception. There's a very real difference between the two. A concept is boxed in, formulated, has nowhere to go. It's a set of rules. This is this, this is this, this is this. No place to go. That's part of my problem. I have a concept of God. There's no movement. I'm tied to it. I'm in bondage to my own image. I have created God in my own image. And boxed it. A conception. Think about the word conception. Sperm meets the egg. And there's conception. New life is born.

There's all the world in the world on the room to grow. That's conception. When idea is the same, I get a new conception. Now it can grow and discover itself. The more better I go for that. So for the intellectuals like me, I'm a word mechanic. Don't get trapped by the words. I did for a while.

Bill says it was only a matter of being willing to believe in the power better than myself. Nothing more was required for me to make a beginning. That's good. That's all it takes is a willingness to believe. There is such a thing. I'm about to jump on you. Pages, that is. Hmm. Do not let any prejudice, I'm on page 47, do not let any prejudice you may have against spiritual terms deter you from asking yourself what they mean to you.

That's been a real guide for me. I constantly ask myself, what does that mean to me? Not what does it mean to you, what does it mean to me? Because it has to be real to me. One of the things that I discovered about myself is that... Everything I ever heard was a lie. Not that people lied to me, but when I hear something that goes in past my filters, and it's your truth, it's not mine. I just pick the pieces that sound good.

which makes it a lie. I've got to have my own experience of the truth. Which means I've got to forget what I think I know. Because what I think I know is a warped version of what you think you know. Spent a lot of night in the coffee houses building the fantasies. At the start, this was all we needed to commit spiritual growth, to affect our first conscious relation with God as we understood it. Afterward, we found ourselves accepting many things.

which then seemed entirely out of our reach. That was growth, but if we wished to grow, we had to begin somewhere, so we used our own conception, however limited it was. If they can accept me as I am, where I am, perhaps their God can too. It's a beginning. We needed to ask ourselves but one short question.

Do I now believe or am I even willing to believe that there is a power greater than myself? Jumps the alcoholic ego again. Did I even have to ask such a stupid question? I told you how big my ego is, but I do. Do you? Are you even willing to believe that there is a power made in yourself? Reluctantly. As soon as a man can say he does believe or is willing to believe, we emphatically assure him that he's on his way. Willingness is the key. The instant I'm willing, it has already happened.

If at this moment I do not believe and am not willing to believe and the next moment I'm willing, I now believe. It's changed. It's wonderful. I don't have to do anything. The power is all in the willingness.

Desired Outcomes and Life Transformation

Here are thousands of men and women over on page 50, worldly indeed. They flatly declare that since they've come to believe in a power greater than themselves. To take a certain attitude toward that power and to do certain simple things, there's been a revolutionary change in the way of living and thinking. So there's a question implicit in that. Do I want a revolutionary change in my way of living and thinking?

If I don't, why should I pursue this? If I do, then let's pursue it. It's a question that has to be asked. Do I want that? In the face of collapse and despair, in the face of total failure of their human resources, they found that a new power, peace, happiness, and a sense of direction flowed into them. Is that a result I want? Power? Peace?

Happiness and a sense of direction. Yes, it is. Lack of power is my dilemma. There is no peace in my mind. I've become everybody I've ever met and they're all talking at once. Committee hell, we have a country here. Happiness, I wouldn't know it if it happened. Jerry Lewis said the most profound thing I've ever heard about happiness. There is no such thing as happiness. You're just going to have to learn to be happy without it.

Makes sense to me. In a sense of direction. I am sick and tired of flying blind. I don't know where I'm going. But I'm not lost anymore because I know where I am. And it doesn't matter where I'm going because I'm not going anywhere anyway. Whatever's next, that's where I'll be. that's just one for 2 30 in the morning when you can't sleep so do we want that

Power, peace, happiness, and a sense of direction. It's resolved. This happened soon after they wholeheartedly met a few simple requirements. Oh, we're back to that. Once confused and baffled by the seeming futility of existence, they show the underlying reasons why we're making heavy going of life, leaving aside the drink question.

The Presence of God and Everyday Life

Leaving aside the drink question. They tell while living was so unsatisfactory. Now who is they? They are the people in the stories in the back of this book. The purpose of the stories have been until recently to show how each person approached and had an effective relationship with God. Not to help you identify your alcoholism. That's a face-to-face deal with one of us.

These stories must be important, huh? Would you say that? We have published a volume called The Alcoholics Anonymous Book that doesn't have any stories in it. Did you know that? Where were you when that happened? I wasn't paying attention either. It's a little bitty blue book called Alcoholics Anonymous that does not have these stories in it. And if I give that to somebody, and they read this, and go looking, oh my goodness, I'm a hypocrite now. I'm lying. They're not there.

That's something to think about now. Not at 2.30 in the morning. They show how the change came over them. When many hundreds of people were able to say that the consciousness of the presence of God is today the most important fact of their lives, they present a powerful reason why one should have faith. And that's really all I can say too. It's the consciousness of God's presence. The whole idea of being hooked up bothers me.

That assumes God's one place and I'm another. And I can plug and unplug. That distresses me. I don't do that. God is here now. Where I am, God is. That's all. I am more or less conscious of that, depending on what's going on. But I can't afford to have to look out here anymore, because God isn't out here. Well, God is, but I find it here. This is my experience here. I can see it out here. While power, peace, happiness, and the sense of direction are really important,

The human condition has an interesting factor in it that I have to learn to live with. There are really good times. There are really bad times. Most of life is made up of flat time. Well, there isn't much going on at all. And that's the one I don't deal with. I deal with real happy. I deal with real bad, but I don't know what to do with the flap time. Well, this tells me what to do with it. Play. Have fun.

Enjoy. Whatever you like to enjoy, go enjoy it. I spend a good deal of my life talking about and working for and with God. I have a working relationship. That is powerful. I really enjoy Hogan's Heroes also. And I collect Abbott and Costello movies. And when there's nothing to do, I put one on. That's how I learned to think. Yeah. That and Sherlock Holmes.

Because of that, I was able to establish a relationship with my stepdaughter when she was fairly young. Because I think like Abin Costello, which means I think like a stupid child. Don't. Anyway, she called one day. Says, is mom home? And I said, who's mom? She said, well, my mom. I said, well, who are you? Well, I'm Kelly. I said, I'm sorry, Kelly's not here. She fell in love with me. She knew I could play.

Okay. What do you do with the flat time? Play and have fun. That's what it says in this book back here. Each family should play as much as their circumstances warrant. If newcomers could see no fun and happiness in what we do, they wouldn't want to stay. Our fellowship is really important because that's where we play together. That's where the gang gets together. And I don't even like all the games, but I can play with them. As long as God is present, I can handle...

Good times or bad times. And one of the hardest times for me as an alcoholic and many hunters I've talked with are the reasonably good times. Ultra highs are cool. But just the plain old good times. I've conditioned myself to think there aren't any. I don't do too well with those sometimes. I keep thinking, something's about to happen. I'm going to screw this up. And it'll probably be me that starts it.

It's just a vague sense that I have, based on many years of truth. Okay. All I've got to do is get out of that. Something is about to happen. Enjoy the hell out of it because nothing is going to last. It all passes. Enjoy it while it's here because it may not be here tomorrow. It will change because I will change. I remember Jack Brennan one time, we were picking his brain, kind of like this. And he said, please listen closely, because I will never be by this way again.

And that struck me, and I said, wait a minute. We knew where he was going to be next week, and we were going to be with him. And then it hit me when he really said, I will never be by this way again. And neither will you. If we get together next time, we're all going to be different. So any business we have to transact with each other, it's the only time we can do it. It's not life-shaking. It's not life-threatening. It's just this is it.

Living Authentically and Lessons from Loss

Now, as a principle to life, that means I owe it to you to tell you each time all the truth of who I am. And take from you all the truth that you are, because we may never meet again either. I learned about death from two AA friends, dear friends. When I came out of the penitentiary, they tried to send me to Howard, because Howard had been in the same penitentiary in the same group, and I was about...

About a year and a half sober, and Howard was about 10 or 11 years sober. And they were sure we'd click. We didn't. There was no antagonism. We just didn't click. Kind of tentative around each other. But there was an old man named Red who was just an old bum when he got here. And I adored Red. Red and I would sit and talk for hours. I just loved him dearly. And as a result of some things, Howard died of peritonitis. Just right out of nowhere.

And I went to his funeral and I was torn up. And I didn't understand it because I didn't even like him that well. It just tore me up. And I figured, well, it's just the first time I've been able to break loose and cry good. That's all it is. That wasn't it. Two weeks later, Red died. And I thought, I really am nuts because it didn't hurt a bit. I didn't have any reaction to it.

So I did some praying about that. And it got clear. Howard's death disturbed me because we weren't through with each other. We hadn't done it. And now it's too late. With Red, Red had an act of giving me everything Red was every time and taking from me everything I was every time. There's nothing left to do.

And so other than just kind of regretting that I don't get to visit with Red anymore, there was no sense of loss. I already had it all. And it changed my life. I will try to do that with you each time, too. Whatever happens here this week, you're getting it all. And it'll never be this way again. Thank God.

As long as I'm conscious that where I am God is, it leaves room for all of that. It means I don't have many expectations of you. What I expect out of everybody I meet is the very best that they are. I truly expect that. I also assume that whatever you brought to the table today is your best. And that's good enough for me. Who am I to judge anybody on anything?

And I still sometimes do. What do you think about the whole idea that the consciousness of the presence of God will become the most important fact?

Sacrifice and God's Guidance in All Matters

of your life. It's worth thinking about. It'll come before a job, before a family, before any personal desire. It's sacrifice of the highest order. We tend to think because we're negative by nature that sacrifice means kill something and give it to the gods. No, that's why we look at it. Sacrifice means I take my most precious possession. And offer it up to God. And what's my most precious? My life. If God's present. You know, God enjoys playing too.

I'm supposed to turn to God in all things. That's what this thing says. God, I was ten years sober before this happened. Walking this path rigorously. One night I'm getting ready to have sex with my wife. And it occurred to me, you haven't asked God if he'll go with you yet. Because I'm in a long way if you have doubt. Take God by the hand and say, if I go do this, will you go with me? That's a good way to check things. So I did.

If I go do this, will you go with me? And I had that sense come over me as, oh yeah. If I can't take God into that, then I'll not be doing it. Whatever I'm going to do, that's what the sense of God's presence is right here. I'm going to be part of this deal. I've got to get rid of a lot of old ideas or I can't do that. And that's what our inventory process helps me with, to get rid of that.

It talks about the things that block us our fixed ideas. It's a brilliant word. When you fix something, you attach it so it won't come loose. Fixatives are things that fix things to other things so they don't come loose. I can get fixed ideas about AA and about the big book and have. God help me whether I want it or not. I went through a period a while back where I was a Nazi. I wasn't a big book thumper. I was a big book Nazi.

If you weren't doing it exactly the way it says here, you weren't doing it right. Not too much arrogance in that.

Overcoming Rigidity: The Story of Buddy

10, 11 years sober. If you're 10, 11 years sober and you're not doing that, you're missing a good trip. By then you know it all. And particularly about this written inventory, it had to be just really precise. So God sent me Buddy, and Buddy can't write. Well, I'm a little willful. I flew out to Buddy's place in Palm Springs and said, Buddy, you talk alright. And I found out Buddy was insane. He could not...

organize any of his thoughts enough. In three days, we got a half a page of inventory written. Because Buddy's off to Mars, and then off to Saturday, and I'm dragging him back. And I learned to lighten up a little bit. It was six years before Bud wrote a good inventory. But he stayed sober that whole six years, doing his best to help other alcoholics and whining a lot. I took on the job.

Go ahead and whine, buddy. I'm telling wild stories. I used to think he was kidding me, the stories he'd tell me. Until I met the people he was telling me about. Lord. Wild man. I love him dearly. Went on a 12-step call with him. Multi-millionaire builder out of California. I went on a 12-step call with him to another multimillionaire up on the hill who couldn't seem to get sober because he hadn't lost everything. Tough, tough cases. And I'll just let Bud do the number.

Because he does wonderfully. If you can stand F every third word, much fun. After about an hour, it was clear we weren't getting anywhere. Bud just stood up and says, well, my friend, it's clear to me you're going to die. And he turned around and walked out the door. Brilliant move. He didn't do it as a ploy. He really saw that. The guy was right behind him. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? About to sponsor him, the guy still sold him. He told him the truth.

The thing I love most about Bud is that there is not a dishonest born in his body. Whatever is showing up, that's who he really is. And he's a joy. But I'd have missed him if I had stayed rigid. I figured this isn't worth doing. So along the way, God helps us whether we want it or not in a really nice way. I met Bud on a cruise, a silver sailor's cruise.

He was standing at the side of the ship, and I told my wife, that guy's getting ready to jump. I could just see it. So I kind of eased up on him. You don't want to move too fast when people are ready to jump off a ship. And just started visiting with him. Sure enough, he was getting ready to jump. He was down to his last million and a half, and things just weren't right. You know.

He said the only reason he hadn't jumped is that he didn't want the sharks to get the body. Like, who cares? So we eased him off and we played. Ping pong for a while. Mental hospitals know that. There's not much in any mental hospital, but there's always a ping pong table. Cuckoos love ping pong. So I'm easing Buddy down a little bit playing ping pong. And then we eased off and got into the pool where the water was warm. That's the second thing you always find in a mental hospital.

Hot baths. And he and I spent the whole day doing mental hospital shit. See, I miss those kind of things if I stay rigid. If I don't let God guide me. I'm the only one on a whole ship that saw he was getting ready to jump, or I'm at least the only one that cared. And I want to stay that sensitive. I don't know how to stop somebody from committing suicide, except to get into their life a little bit and say, would you rather play ping pong for a minute?

Jump later, but man, I need somebody to play with me. She can't play ping pong. Got it? That's some fun.

Transformation from Defect to Asset

Fixed ideas. I just don't want any. Fixed ideas. I just don't want any. And for those who are not new and have long-term sobriety. Be careful of the fixed ideas that come out of this book and out of our fellowship. They'll hamper you, too. They hamper me sometimes. They can get in the way. Principles never change, but my application of principles can get me in trouble.

So we had to ask ourselves why we shouldn't apply to our human problems the same readiness to change our point of view. I'm over on page 52 now. Last of the bill's depressive statements. He's got to bring us down to the bottom one more time. We were having trouble with our personal relationships. We couldn't control our emotional natures. We were afraid of misery and depression. We couldn't make a living.

We had a feeling of uselessness. We were full of fear. We were unhappy and we couldn't seem to be a reel of help to other people. Whoa, there it is again. Was not a basic solution of these bedevilments more important than whether we could see in Israel's lunar flight? Of course it was. There are among us those who must have some vision of the future.

In order to have the hope to go on. Well, there it is. Turn that over. What will it be like when these are gone? Oh, I won't have any trouble with my personal relationships. And I don't have. Partly because I have enemies now and I cherish them. If you're living in a human condition, you're going to piss somebody off just because you showed up. That's just the way it is. You can't please everybody.

And I sometimes have to judge my effectiveness. The only judgment I have is the quality of my enemies. I have some really high quality enemies. I've been doing my job. But I won't have trouble with my human relationships because they will all be appropriate. There are people who like me no matter what I do. There are people who don't like me, no matter what I do. There are several million people that don't even know my name. Don't give a damn if I ever show up. That's sanity.

My emotional nature will be brought back into control. I will laugh at the right place and cry at the right place and be still at the right place. I do not control my emotional nature. It is now appropriate. One of the difficulties I had for my whole life, and if I try to think about it today, is still a difficulty. Most everything feels the same. And if I start to figure out, am I grieving or am I unhappy or am I touched? I'm lost. I'm just feeling it.

What a glorious feeling that is. I don't know what's going on. I'm just crying like a baby. I get truly stunned when little kids do something right. And they win. Tears me up. I watched my seven-year-old grandson playing soccer. And bless his heart, his mother was drinking and using cocaine. His real mother. My daughters.

Stepson. And he has some anomalies. Heads a little off. Ears a little off. He sometimes gets a little freaky. And he's clumsy. God love him. And watching him play soccer is just... Breaks my heart. Because he falls down a lot. And when he kicks at the ball, it's here and he's kicking here. And he falls on his butt. One day he got that ball dead off. Right into the goal.

I'm no longer a prey to misery and depression. No longer a prey is. That's that little mouse that's doing its best to get to the next bush before the eagle gets it and eats it. I'm no longer a prey to anything like that. that, particularly misery and depression. Depression comes on sometimes. When the hepatitis took me down, that was really depressing. It comes with the territory.

What I've had to learn here is that since God is present, I don't have to be depressed about being depressed. That's the only time I get in trouble anyway. But I've made a prayer from that. Dear God, please don't let me get screwed up about being screwed up. Don't let me be depressed about being depressed. It's a great prayer. It separates things into their proper place.

You know what you do when you're really depressed? I know what I do. Go to bed. Beats the hell out of the medication. If it's really, really bad, I pull the covers over my head. I'm able to make a living now. I'm never going to be rich because I don't care that much about money. It's a sad thing, but I just don't. I did marry a rich woman because I'm not stupid.

Found out just the other day she has two retirement plans. Am I going to have fun in a couple years? I'm self-supporting by my own contributions and have been for years. I've worked so long, and I'm a former thief, I've worked so long I'm able to draw Social Security benefits. I've been paying my taxes for a long time. In fact, I just had some fun with that. I found out that they'll pay me my entire Social Security benefit and still allow me to make $20,000 this year. So I resigned.

And gave myself a $1,000 a year raise. Because the company will pay me the $20,000 if I'll stay around part-time. And that means I have to really watch the number of hours I work. It's terrible. Very careful not to make too much money. You know, screw up my benefits. They're mine, damn it. So this is a crazy planet, I'm telling you. Give yourself a raise by quitting.

Had a feeling of uselessness. I will become useful. And for me, that's the most important benefit of this way of life. I died Christmas night of 67 because I had become completely useless. No human being can live in that state. I am now useful on any day of my life for the rest of my life. I can be useful because I'm willing and able to touch one other alcoholic.

And let them know if you're an alcoholic, you don't have to die this way. And I can do that right to my deathbed because my friend John did. John Adams was a great joy. And he ended up with a bad cancer. Didn't want any of the treatment. He knew it was time to go. Went home. Why should he die in a hospital? Went home, and in his dying process, which was about a two-month period,

The neighbors, I've talked to the neighbors, they were just amazed at the number of people that came to cheer John up. They had no idea. These are the people John sponsored. He was 12-stopping and working with people literally up to the moment that he died. One of them was with him. And he was beating him in the head with a big look. So I have a... An example that I can be useful to the very moment I go. And if I can do that, I can stay here. No longer full of fear.

I mean, I don't get frightened now and then. There's a pretty scary planet out here. There's some shit going on that makes me nervous. So I go to bed at 7.30 at night. I do. But if you knew my wife, you knew why. We get up at 5 in the morning to go to work. I can get more work done between 5 and 9 than the rest of them can all day, and then I get to go home at 2, so what the hell.

No longer full of fear. Would that be a nice thing to have? Yeah. When I'm frightened, it's appropriate. It's time to pay close attention. God gave me an instinct that says the bears are on the loose. I need to pay attention the rest of the time. What do I want to be afraid for? No longer unhappy. Does not mean that I'm supremely happy all the time. It means I'm not unhappy.

God, please don't let me get unhappy about God being happy. It's a great prayer. And I'm able to be of real help to other people. That comes with time. That's a blessing. I can only put it this way. By God's grace, I know people that are eight generations from me. Because we do it the way this thing said. Bill's vision.

was not only could he help somebody, they in turn might help still others. And that's the vision. And if we do this right, people who come here 50 years from now when we're gone get the same shot we got. There's integrity all the way down the line. And it's really a joy to see that there's some real help to some people that I've never met. Simply because we stay close to the Bigfoot and to the truth of the thing.

That's great when one of your great-great-great-great-grandchildren comes up and tells you how much you've changed my life. That's bullshit. But I love it. Oh, yeah.

Reliance, Prayer, and the God Idea

Is that what you want? Because that's what's there. That's what's here for us. What a nice thing. Yeah, I'll take some of that. What do I have to do? Well, we saw others solve their problems by a simple reliance upon the spirit of the universe. I can believe in God and die. I can trust in God and still die. But if I rely upon God, then I get to live a full life.

I truly expect to get answers when I ask one. That's our deal. You run my life. I'll ask questions on what I'm supposed to do and who I'm supposed to be, and you answer them for me. That's the deal. So I expect it. The Bible warms against repetitious prayer. I'm a child and I'm hungry. And so I tell mom I'm hungry.

She's cooking dinner. And I come back in and tell her again, I'm hungry. I know, I'm fixing it. I'm hungry. I know, I'm fixing it. I'm hungry. She has to stop fixing it and put me somewhere. So I don't get hurt. I delay the whole damn process. I've asked once. I expect an answer. I'm going to get on about the business of living.

And the answer will show up. It may be a day or a week. It may be a minute or two. I don't know, but I'll get an answer. And it usually comes from a source I don't even think about. Have you had that experience? Just comes right in on the wings of the dove. Okay. Our ideas did not work, but the God idea did. On page 53 is a departure point.

When we became alcoholics, crushed by a self-imposed crisis, we could neither postpone nor evade. We had to fearlessly face the proposition that either God is everything or is nothing. God either is... Or he isn't. What's our choice to be? And I must make that choice. Whichever choice I make, the battle will be over. God is everything. What's there to worry about?

If God is nothing, what's there to worry about? It won't matter which choice you make, but you've got to make a choice, it says. Let's take a break and think about that one. For sure. So we've been promised, or we've been told and accepted, the lack of power is our dilemma. I've lost the power of choice with drink, and for me, just about everything else. There must be a power greater than myself, obviously. Because I can't do this myself, and you can't do it.

There either is or isn't. And despite my immense arrogance, I cannot say there isn't. A casual look around. At my most idiotic state that says I didn't do all this. There must be. So if I'm willing to say there is, God is. I have to say that without knowing what that means, by the way. I don't even know what all is. There is an existence of power greater than myself. I can also see it walking around.

in the people that I first began proclaiming this. Couldn't deny it. So if that's true, where am I going to look? I've been looking out here. My whole MO for 34 years was take it from out here and put it in here so I get to feel better. I always got temporary relief, anywhere from a day to a month to a year. Temporary. So this isn't it. I know it. From out here in isn't it. I've tried it. Even my death was from out here in and it didn't work either.

Discovering God Within and Overcoming Obstacles

Deep down in every man, woman, and child is the fundamental idea of God. Oh, okay. A little frightening. Last time I looked deep within myself, I killed it. I took a look at what was there and could not live with it. Of course, I hadn't looked far enough. I was only looking at me. So where am I going to look? Deep within. And are they going to show me how to do that? I presume so. They've told me they'll show me precisely how to do that, how to look within.

It may be obscured by calamity, by pomp, or by worship of other things, but in some form or other it's there. Do you believe that? Now over the years, like I said, I'm a word mechanic. Obscured. I get vague hints that it is there. I've always believed it, but it's obscured by calamity. Now the truth is, your calamity is probably my entertainment. That's true. Most comedy is based on somebody falling on their ass. And as long as it isn't me, it's funny. Calamity is a personal deal.

For some people I've known a hangnail is a calamity. For others it's falling off a mountain before it becomes a calamity. Otherwise it's just kind of an incident. My view of the world is going to need to be looked at. It's skewed somehow. My prejudices particularly get in the way. Prejudge, that's what that means. I make a determination about who you are.

without hardly any information at all. Your skin color is dark. You must be able to dance. What a stupid thing that is. I mean, that's benign. We didn't know what we do. Hers is also dark. In fact, she's darker than you are. Can you dance? I will prejudge things like that. Anytime I hear all of any particular... type of anything does this I know it's a lie today there is no way to generalize all of anybody so that will obscure it and that's one of the calamities

That's pomp. Pomp are the robes I wear so that it's clear to everyone around that I am just a little better than you. And my favorite ego role has been and still is pompous ass. If you want to know the truth about who I am left alone, I'm a pompous ass. I keep him alive so he can recognize his friends when they come by. I worship other things. Sometimes worship and obsession look almost the same. I have worshipped money. Money was God. Whatever it is I'm going to put my faith in is my God.

It is my power. That's all God is, is power. Well, that's not all God is, but God is power. Money, prestige was a big one. Much, much power and prestige. That's the perceived impression that I am something. If I can get you to believe that I can pull something off, I have power over you. As long as you still need whatever you think I can pull off. And I encourage that. It's one of the tricks that I use along the way.

There's a time in every little boy's life when he worships sex. That's where the power is. He feels it coming on him. It's genetic, ladies. We don't have any choice. I have a mandate from God. My job on this planet is to impregnate anything that stands still long enough. Good job. First time it hit me, it scared me. So I asked my friend, my best friend, about it. He said, yeah, that's it. Me too.

Now, I know that isn't right, but that's what it feels like, so I get confused. I've talked to enough women to know that at about the same time, your job is to make sure that happens. Just to perpetuate the race. And it's not thought out. God help us if we ever thought that way. So for a time there's worship of that. That becomes... Everything I do, from getting a car to everything else, is designed to put two blondes in the back seat. Two. Never one.

If I'm going to do something, I'm going to do the whole job. It sounds funny, but it is funny. Because that's what we grew up with. We're serious about this. We read books about it. We talk about it incessantly. We want to know better ways to do it. Build whole relationships. How silly. When those genes are running in a young man, no wonder a young marriage is seldom work. His job is to impregnate everything. And so he's committed here.

to this lady, and his immediate fear is, oh my goodness, what if the right one comes by? Or what if somebody else comes by and it's my job? No wonder they fail. We don't have any comprehension and we don't tell them about it. In our sex inventory, all we're inventorying is conduct. To take a look at selfishness, self-centeredness.

inconsiderate behavior to examine all that kind of thing. And it takes a little while. God gave us these powers. They're not to be despised nor used ridiculously or loosely. When we go into a sex inventory, I don't know whether God wants you to be a monk or a whore. I have no idea. We're going to find out until we get into it. Same with me. I don't know who I am when I get here.

I listen to everybody. You've got to understand something. As you can probably tell, I love women. I hold you in very high regard. I live in a matriarchy. I wouldn't change it for the world. I absolutely adore women, as I should. Hold them in very high regard and respect them. But like an idiot, I learned most everything I knew about women from men.

Who don't know shit about women. It wasn't until I got sober and got smart. Now what I know about women, I learn from women. So I get along pretty good. I learned about men from young boys who don't know anything about men either. I need to find the source here. Integrity. Intuition, which this book talks about, learning from within. I need to find out who I am, not who the generality is. And in going through that, I made an interesting discovery about my own sex activity.

There really are things that are almost as interesting to me that I'd rather be doing sometimes. It is not the be-all and end-all. If God made anything feel better, He kept it for Himself. But feeling good isn't what it's about all the time anyway. I found out that I am a family man through prayer and through our process. One woman at a time, that's plenty.

In fact, I finally found out what my sexual preference was. Her name is Jackie, and I married her. And that ends that. That's simple. The right one isn't coming by. The right one's already there. Because I found out who I am. I don't know who you are. We'll find that out through all this examination. I'm going on a little because that's America's big hang-up.

Either too much, not enough, wrong kind. Bill describes it beautifully. We haven't changed any. We don't know shit. But it's a great power source and we tend to worship it. I've got to stop doing that. It will stand between me and God if I worship it. So we'll examine it. What are some of the other things you worshipped along the way? Made altars to worship. Yeah, Dustin. You're handy. I'm just going to take on you. Glamour. Looking good. Yeah. Can you expand on that a little bit?

Yeah. And you get that by, what, going to a concert where they are? No? Oh, I don't want to do that. Right. Yeah, more better, I'll just fantasize about it. Yeah. That's a form of worship. Coral, it's your turn. What have you worshipped along the way? Power. You're talking about all these things are people who have power. That's what we're really talking about. Whatever the dress may look like. These are people that have the power.

They are movers and shakers. When they want something, they get it. I want the power. Because I don't have it. And I know it. I can see you as a femme fatale. I tried it. Didn't work? Oh, well, bad choice. Faith in a power greater than ourselves and miraculous demonstrations of that power in human lives are facts as old as man himself.

My attitude about God when I got here was really simple. He had created the heaven and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh. And for me, he was still resting. There was nothing real, nothing going on. It was all ancient stuff. I had to change some ideas, and some of them... Oh, a bunch of us were talking one time with a spiritual guide. One of the guys who was still angry said, look, if God's so almighty powerful, why don't He stop war? And the answer was, well, He didn't start it.

How about these babies born with Down syndrome? What a tragedy. No. Sorry. You haven't met Christopher yet. Yeah, you know Christopher. Down in Texas, yeah. He's changed hundreds and hundreds of lives, this young man. He's got more love in his little finger than I'll ever hope to have. He's just a pure expression of God. Goofy as hell. But I gave a talk down in Texas one time. He's 24 at this time. Big hulk of a kid.

with about a four or five year old mind. Comes running down the aisle after I got off the podium and threw a big bear hug on me and said, I'm so proud of you. I need to change my viewpoints and my judgments. What I see as a tragedy and what I'm worshiping is probably... Different than yours. No need to open up to that. So we finally saw the faith in some kind of God who was a part of our makeup. Whether it be money or sex or cars or power.

Shifting from Self-Interest to Service

glamour, whatever it is. We had faith in it. We believed that that would bring us what we wanted. And there was the attitude of God that had to change most of all. What's He going to do for me? That must change. The spiritual life is based on what can I do for Him. The self-interested life is, what is He going to do for me? Boy, got to go. He's already done everything possible for me that could ever be done.

That's the truth. He even left the knowledge of Himself deep within me. So if I ran into trouble, I could check it out and ask for direction and care. It's there. What more is He going to do for me? Sometimes we had to search furiously, but He was there. He was as much a fact as we were. We found the great reality deep down within us. And the last analysis, it is only there that it may be found. It was so with us. And I'm one of us. I can tell you bluntly that's where I found it.

And I did it this way. Does that sound interesting to anybody? Would you like to have that close a contact? There's a relationship I can work with. I don't get up and pray in the morning. I pray. And when it's time, I get up. Prayer is an activity that I hate to say prayer because you have your own view of it. I begin my conversation with God the minute I'm conscious. And it's a conversation. Good morning.

I don't move until I have that sense that where I am God is. That there's a conversation going on. Don't move. It may take a second or two. It sometimes takes ten minutes. Sometimes I get so into the conversation that I don't even want to get up. I go back to sleep. Or I'll just lay there. I'm talking about a benefit of sobriety, to be able to lay still for 10 or 15 minutes without a radio or a TV or anything else going on, just to lay there and be still.

I'm not taking a chance on getting up on my own without first checking to make sure that my power source is available to me by checking in. Don't want to elaborate on that. It'll be a different thing for everybody. But it's a comfort to me. Some mornings it's good morning, sir, because that's how I feel about it. I don't think God cares what I call him as long as I do. One day I call him a bully.

I got to call him the goddamn boy. I was really pissed. He had me doing things. Of course, I'd ask, what would you have me do? She said, oh, well. John didn't show up. You can do his job. Bob didn't show up. You can do his job. By the way, here's your job. I'm busier than hell. And I'm not feeling too good. I've got my own problems to take care of. And the phone keeps ringing. What's my turn? What's my turn? Where's mine?

Goddamn bully. And it was almost like a chuckle ran through me as I realized he was talking to me. I'm the bully. I told him one morning, I've had enough. I'm taking a day off. It wasn't can I. This is what it's going to be. I've been on the road for nearly four years. I'm worn out. I'm taking a day off. And the phone started to ring. And I hadn't gotten to that place in my life where I could just let it ring. I answered it and it rang and rang and rang. Finally I said, okay, you win.

Whatever you have in mind is fine with me. And the phone quit ringing and I got the day off. That's kind of my relationship with God, if you will. I don't know if it makes any sense or not. We can only clear the ground a bit if our testimony helps sweep away prejudice, enables you to think honestly and encourages you to search diligently within yourself.

Then if you wish you can join us on the broad highway There's the good news you don't have to go anywhere what you're looking for you're looking with it's already all there Which is a little frightening As I say, the last time I looked there, it didn't look too cool. But that's where it is. You don't have to go anywhere. You don't have to read any more books. You don't even have to do anything.

Acknowledging God's Presence and Flexible Approach

Give in to the idea. God is or isn't He? What's the choice to be? If He is, then I need to discover how to relate. How to develop this relationship. Relationships indicate communication, don't they? Almost all relationships begin at the same point, whether it's business or personal or whatever. They begin at this point. Dustin, it begins with an acknowledgment of the presence of whatever you're going to relate with. Good morning.

Hi. Hey. It begins with acknowledgement. Isn't it interesting? Most prayers begin with the same acknowledgement. God. All we've got to do is acknowledge the presence and then we can begin the conversation. Until I acknowledge the presence, I can't begin a conversation. I had one kid. He'd been sponsored through the steps. One of these intellectuals. God, I love him. Old Shelby. He's up in Boston right now.

He's got one of those minds that... He looked at a computer and programmed it. What's that? And he did the steps the same way, and he came to me absolutely out of his mind. He was dying. He was doing 10-step every day, praying rigorously. He was doing, doing, doing everything possible.

It was making him nuts. He was examining every possible motive and every thought. Did you ever get caught in that? I wonder why I did that. It must be this, it must be that. So I said, I'll sponsor you on one condition, Shelby. First thing you've got to do is stop praying. You've been taught that if you stop praying, you're going to die. I said, well, tell me.

You've been telling me about God. Tell me some more about God. And he described this really scary thing here. And I said, is that what you want showing up, Shelby? He said, no. I said, well, I'm going to quit calling his name. Stop praying. The second thing I want you to do is stop writing inventory. I said, Shelby, what do you like to do? And he likes to go to movies and eat ice cream. I said, go have an ice cream cone. Lighten up, Shelby, first of all. Go have an ice cream cone. Go to a movie.

And go get laid, will you? But we did get down to let's stop praying to this. because that's what will show up. He went through two weeks of lightening up a little bit. Went to some movies and had some ice cream. I don't know about the other. I just said that to shake him up. He called me in two weeks and he said, I'm truly feeling much better. But I need to pray to something. I need to pray. And we began working on...

finding something he could pray to. Now he's in his evangelistic stage. He went down to Birmingham, Alabama to sit them straight. Got them all fixed up. He's fine in Birmingham now. Moved on to Boston. He's so wonderfully arrogant. I just love him. We put him in with a bunch of big book people in Boston and they're not doing it right. They're his grandfathers, for God's sake. They're not doing it quite. He's wonderful. He's got to deal. He was worshiping process.

And it was standing in his way of a relationship with God. He was using the steps to manage his own life. And it wasn't working. He was worshiping Shelby. And that mind. And we'll all do that. It's part of the deal. First time through, if you don't get arrogant and get evangelistic, I wonder what we missed. And I don't worry about you. You will get yours. Chopped right off at the knees. Is she doing that?

Carl is freaking out to just want to get like that. You can get through that in a day, or you can drag it on for a couple of years. After a couple of years, you're in danger. But you can do it all in a day. When she gets to that place, just take her to the Salvation Army detox. And let her save as many as she can. Yeah, just let her have Adam. So after I had waited for that flash of light and it didn't come, and I'd gone back and bitched at my sponsor, and he said,

Glad you didn't have a flashlight, dummy. It nearly killed you all in your life. And we examined some of those. And then he spent a good deal of time with me just sharing. The gentleness of his discovery of God. He said, God knows in your present shape you probably couldn't stand one more big shock anyway. And he will probably come to you gently. And he described how he had come to him gently. This was the killer.

And it took a long time to get some things past that. And that has been my experience. It's always been a gentling experience. But I said to him, look. How do I make this real? I've been to the first day before the first day of creation in my head. I've taken the trips. How do I make this real? God has to be present when I go to work in the morning.

Not just when I'm in church. How do I make this real? He said, Don, God will disclose Himself to you as you disclose yourself to you. The big book on page 57 says it a different way. When we drew near to Him... He disclosed Himself to us. And I draw near to Him by going back into the mess and clearing it away. And that's what I did.

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