Tonight's show is a continuation from last week's episode four seventy three, where Matt came on and told us about that dolphin an encounter he had in the middle of the night in Oklahoma. Let's bring him on here now, Matt. Thanks so much for coming back. Hey, Vick, it's good to be back. And thank you againing for and finding me back to the show. And sorry for that going over the time the first time. I was kind of living in the moment when I was telling the story. Oh no,
please don't apologize. That was great. That's what I wanted you to do to this as much information about those experiences as possible. So that's a good thing. Matt. When you came around that bend and noticed that dog man, how close was it to you? When I came around the bin. Let's see here, let's see from my right side, I could say I were to count in yards, probably in the twenty to twenty five yard range, enough to see again that it wasn't a tree, and it also wasn't
a man. I couldn't really give out any details, you know, like seeing cuts or certain masculine muscle features on it. I could tell that it was blender and tall. Already, the height that the grass was was around that four and a half five foot range, so if I were to walk into it, you know, it would probably be chess mint for me. I'm about five six, and I could tell this. The grass was about only half of this thing, you know, maybe up to just above its
legs. But I could see it had a very slender look to it, and that's why my brain I was racking my brain on it. It looked like a tree. I thought I was seeing tree limbs or maybe a scarecrow. So yeah, I would say about that twenty to twenty five yard distance from that curve on the road, that's pretty close. Then it's hard to imagine that you surprised it. He said, it was just standing there in
that field when he came around that curve. Considering the fact that your car was a challenger after all, I'm pretty sure the answer to this question is no. But I'm going to ask you anyway, was your car quiet? Uh? No, Vic, it wasn't the reason why I say surprised, or it didn't look like it was surprised or shocked. I feel like I had disturbed something, kind of like you're at home or in the office,
or somebody's asking your question. You're deep in your work and you know they have to say hey Matt, Hey Matt, and then you know, on that third time, you're like, what is it. I'm not saying that's how I respond to people, but still I got that same thing when you're they call it, you know for gamers too, when you're in the zone. I think it might have been tracking or looking for something. I can't say what, because it wasn't facing my direction of the road. It was
facing the opposite direction, like it was peering into the tree line. It was looking or scanning for something. At least that's what I assume is what it was doing. I think it would be kind of weird for them to just stand upright. I've heard some stories where people see them on all four and then they stand up right. When I came around, it was already upright, just standing there, staring intently into the tree line until I got
close enough and it finally just swiveled and looked right into my soul. Yeah, I'm sure that's a moment that you're never going to forget. When you first saw it after coming around that curve, you said you thought it might have just been a tree. But if you would have known about Dogman back then, what do you think of the odds that you would have thought, oh, dog men instead. If I had thought about Dogman, I believe I probably wouldn't have been as scared. Granted I've heard some scary stories,
but most of the stories that I hear from you vig. You know, if somebody's getting hurt by the dog man, let's just be honest, they're not gonna make it to the show. Unfortunately, we wouldn't know of the
story because the person telling the story wouldn't be around. All the stories that you have, seems like dogmen want to project intense fear and dread, even some of the stories where people are on foot and they're up close and personal with the dog man unless you seriously provoked them, usually with some kind of violence or treating them like they're, you know, a domesticated dog. I see your odds are coming out of it with the al right, so I
feel like going into it, I would. I would probably not pay as much attention. I would probably keep my eyes on the road, although I probably would be fascinated. At the same time, I would have heard the stories and then saying, oh my gosh, since a dog man. I don't believe I would have slowed down by any means, but I wouldn't have had that questioning failing afterwards. Did I see what I just saw? The nightmares probably still would have occurred. I think it has some kind of supernatural
connection or supernatural as respect to it. I can't explain it, you know, like I said in the first one that I had nightmares, and like I said, you know, everybody has nightmares, but these were not normal nightmares. I've never had anything like that, and I've never had any nightmares like that after that encounter. So I know it was because of the time period when I was around and seeing the dog Man or seeing those other strange
encounters on the road. But I feel like, to answer your question, I feel like I would have been a little bit more prepared, but at the same time still terrified, because I would also know more it's running speed, what it can do, it's capabilities, and so in a weird way, it would have been a little bit warm an excitement, but still relatively
around that same kind of fear. As you know, I think they get a bad rap for being mindless kill you on site monsters, because the numbers show that's not what they are and it's not what they're all about in most cases. But I'll be the first to admit, you've got to have some dangerous examples of these guys out there that will kill you if they get the
chance, so I'll never see these guys were safe to be around. I think I kind of misrepresented my question though, because basically I was wondering when you came around that curve and first saw it. You said you thought it was a tree, but you didn't know about Dogman back then. If you would have known about Dogman being in existence, did you see enough detail because of the moonlight out that you could have maybe identified it as being one?
Sorry about that big, Yes, it was enough moonlight. As I stayed in the first show, there was enough moonlights to where I could see, you know, the tree line at you know, not enough moonlight to see the leaves are green, but enough to see I could see almost every branch. It's hard to explain, but it's just like when you're in a dark enough room but there's certain electronics on there's light, you can see the shadows and shapes of everything, and you kind of piece that together. Well,
that's just lad lights. The moonlight out on those specific you know, that week was relatively bright, honestly, and that's why I didn't need to have my high beams on. I had a sufficient moonlight. And then also my regular low beams were all right to light up the road and just enough off to my left and right of my prethrow of the road. But it was still dark enough. Like I said, when I was first approaching it from
a distance, yes, it was harder. As I got closer, I said, Hm, that looks kind of strange that My brain instantly started thinking, Wait a minute. Too tall for a man. Why would a man be out in the middle of the field at two am in the morning. At the same time, what could be a tree? Wait a minute, I know I don't know a lot, but I know some about agriculture. Why would they just leave one baby tree in the middle of the field. And as I got closer, I hit that bind and the headlights, like
I said, went out just enough haired with the moonlight. Now this is brighter than the moonlight. I could see this was not a guy and this was definitely not a tree either. Given the glowing lights after I out my car, the oranges amber lights looking right at me. Even though it was a split second that my car is turning right before it straightened out, I
could tell it was black. It was all black. Have you ever thinked you're lucky stars that your headlights didn't catch it full so that you could see everything, Because, as you know, sometimes it's best not to know. Yes, there's a part of me that I'm a very curious guy. I love science, and ever since I saw the dog Men and learned about it, I've been learning more about other cryptids. My dad, you know,
kind of taught me about and showed me videos of Bigfoot growing up. So I've always been interested in those lurking animal creature types that they're just really good at hiding. We never see them, but they're there, and you talk to enough people and they're like, oh, that's not real. They blow it off, just like I said in the first story, you know, mom and dad tell the stories or you see on shows of werewolves and big fud and vampires are like, oh, oh that's scary. Thank god those
are not real. Though, well a good amount of those are actually real, So I feel like seeing it I probably I would have been intrigued, and I'm still I'm kind of intrigued. For the way some other people describe it, I think the fear would outweigh my ambitions to actually see it fully. I feel like I saw just enough to confirm my suspicions, and I'll leave that at that. No, I totally understand, and it really is a shame that you had to live nineteen years and eventually find out that monsters
do exist. I wish you wouldn't have ever had to find out like that. You said that there weren't any homes or buildings near where your encounter happened, But how far do you think you would have had to go to actually get to the closest home. So in Oklahoma and especially roads like these, these pastures, I stated, You know, this isn't just all reserved forests. There are pastures, which means somebody owns that land. But the houses
aren't typically like you see with the suburbs. You know, you're at your house and then maybe can feed if you're lucky, depends on how big the city is of grass or twenty feet of grass, And you could see the house right from the curve out that far in the country, you would probably have to go maybe a half a mile you know, of a gravel road to the house, and it depends the entry rate, or that gravel road may not be onto an off pour of that section of the highway you might
have to go around. Just give an example. Let's see here Cushing would be north first, it would be south. You might have to enter in from the west side, or maybe you would enter in the back end of Cushing and take another back rope to get the houses. And they put their pastures on the side of the freeway since they know, hey, I'm not driving out that way anyways, that would be the considered that their backyard, or they're back into the land, so I may have not been anywhere close
to the actual owner's house. There's no you know the pipe pass, you know our pike roads, who toll roads, there are lights, very big lights, or if you take highways at night, there's lights on regular freeways as well. Those back roads the closer yard to cities, they might have a few light poles, but once you get into a certain section, there's no lights for miles and you better hope that both of your headlights are in good working order, and your tires are aired up. Oh definitely, yea.
It sounds like a really removed area. And you mentioned the whole headlights thing and the tires being aired up. You told us that you didn't have your brights on because you didn't need them. But in a remote area like that, why didn't you still have your brights on anyway? Because there isn't
any such things happening? Too much light? I do it now that I've gotten older, I still have twenty twenty vision, but getting to that point where things are kind of getting a little harder to see, and it's kind of saddening, disheartening. But when I was younger, you know, like I'm saying, I've already been on the job for about three years at this point. I drive at night, all night, every night. I probably
had one day off guaranteeing the other day I was on call. And just like when we're awake, we're open in the daytime, your eyes kind of adjust. I had driven so much at night that I had just gotten used to it. Also courtesy too. Let's say you're in Oklahoma or just any you know, backcountry part of any state. Your brights are on. You come around and you come around, like I said, one of those quarters, I don't know there's another driver coming, and now I'm blinding them.
And I just feel like it's rope etiquette to not have your brights on unless it's a I was always, you know, taught at least for a driving school, not trying to be a goody two shoes, but I always thought that you didn't use your brights unless it was heavy rain or like heavy snow, some kind of inclement weather. Now, after that encounter, brights were on any of those back roads that cars weren't on, you know, down that road. I had them on during it. Before that encounter, though
I didn't have them on during the encounter, I turned them on. I turned them on once I saw it and put my brights on so I could see everything off to my left and right. But before that encounter and all my routes and trips before that, I just never really did it that often, unless I was on a stretch up highway that was very far out and I could see, let's say, you know, they're you're going up and down hills and I could see, hey, there's no trucks, there's no
cars. For almost a half a mile to a mile. That way, I can turn my brights on, nobody's gonna care. But as soon as I see a vehicle come over that hill, I turned my brights off. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, when I'm out on windy roads out in the middle of nowhere, I don't like to have my brights on either for that exact reason. Yeah, you could come around and bend and bam there's a truck and you blind them. So unless I'm out on a real long stretch of road where I can see way down the road. So
I get it. I understand. After steering you down for a moment, you said that it ran to the tree line. When it did, that was a running away from you or a paralo to you. It was weird. It was I know, these things have to be professional stalkers. It ran away from me. I thought it was gonna You know, when you're riding a bike and as a kid and the dog gets off the leaves or hops a fence in it, it's either running right behind you or right off to your left. Right, you can see the dog. You're like,
oh God, please don't bite my ankles. This thing did the opposite, like it it knew it was dark, but it got to camouflage. It ran bee line straight to the tree line. It was so fast it was That's why I think it was supernatural. But I mean, we don't, you know, live around cheetahs. But I'm pretty sure if I sat and watched a cheetah, right, I probably think that's unnatural too. But it
was fluid. It wasn't like it had a gallop or a hop to it, or like when you see a long distance runners or athlete runners, you know, they have that locomotion that that I'm gonna say that that sprinter's run. This thing almost it moves so fast it almost looked like it was floating, how fast it was moving like nothing in front of its feet were an obstacle, rocks, uneven, terrain, it didn't matter. It just made
a bee line to the tree line. And then then it followed parallel from within the tree line so that I couldn't see it, which added to the fear because now I don't have eyes on, I can't tell it. Is it, you know, on the right back inside of my fender? Is it in front of my car? But I at the same time, once it went to the tree, line. I could still feel it. I know that doesn't make sense, but I could feel it. I knew, for instance, I could loved or you know, I didn't feel any any
weird feelings off to my leap. It was all on the right. It's on the right side. It stayed on the right side. And at one point when I floored it out, like I said, that the ben had straightened out. This is why I think they're a lot faster. We don't know how fast these things really can go. It had sped up, it just a little bit in front of my my right inside of my finger on the front, and then it slowed down just a tadbitt to keep pace.
And I don't know if it did that on purpose or didn't know if I was going to keep accelerating, but that let me know in my mind. You know, one of those red flags I was able to sit and think about later. I wasn't think about that at the time, was that if I went faster it still could have kept pace. Or was that a warning that it doesn't matter how fast you go, I'm gonna be able to catch up to you with ease. That's not a thought that's going to give you
the warm and fuzzies, is it? No, absolutely not, Vick, No, definitely not. For some reason, I can't remember what you said about this. When all this was going on, were your windows down or up? At the time my windows were rolled up. I was kind of one of those silent wake up riders. Eventually, I couldna put it. If I listen to music all night. It's just like if you keep drinking coffee, that caffeine kind of you get used to it. It doesn't wake
you up as much. You kind of need to taste your stuff you drink coffee. Same for music. If I get in my car and blast the radio or blast any music, my ears are just gonna get used to it and I'm gonna get tired again. If I kind of saved my music for later to wake me up. And also I prefer my AC my car's AC. So I had the windows up this night, so I couldn't necessarily like hear it or any thumping or any any sorts of that. Can you imagine
how freaked out you'd be if you would have had trewindows down? Wow? Yes, hearing what some people describe, you know, a smell. I think that would have added to that fear, and I would have been even more freaked out because I was already on edge just by seeing that. And I'm saying this all verbally. You know, at the time, you know, panicking, you know, like I said, I was sweating. Some parts of my skin were stinging. Not in a supernatural I'm like, oh,
it's putting a spell on me or whatever. It was like the anxiety and fear were coming through my pores. Literally, I've never felt any kind of biological reaction to fear like that. You know, the most biological people would think from fears trembles or jinners or anything like that. I did have that, but it got to a point where my inner arms were stinging. Parts of my you know, shoulders were stinging there. You know, maybe that was just some kind of SENSEO lock to that. You know, I
was in imminent danger at that time. Yeah, that might be what was behind that, but it's pretty hard to know for sure what was going on. That's strange. Nonetheless, at any time in your life. Man, if you've ever played with the Wigi board, no, I've always seen the movies. I'm a very I didn't mention that first story, but I actually well up into that encounter. I love creepy movies, horror movies. I've seen The Grudge, Ali, Freddy Krueger's that I'm around Elm Street, the
Exercise. And my household growing up was a Christian household. There were certain even just cartoons or other movies that were you don't watch this into your house because you're inviting things to your chouse. So no, and you know, friends were like, hey, we got a Weigi board. My parents were like, you know, they weren't with us every second of every day, but they said, you know, if anybody ever brings this game to you,
you don't play it. And I never played it, and you know there was a time, well this was way later in my life, so this is after that encounter, and so that that's probably neither here nor there. But again even that point, I didn't play it, but I did watch it, So I'll leave that at that. But I think they're just pushing to plant chet around. I was wondering what you're going to say about that, that whole thing with Uigi board, and the reason why is I
also knew that you had a very religious upbringing. Well with people who have a very religious upbringing, it can go to one of two ways. You've got the crowd over here who you can trust with your life. I mean, they're just the most straightforward people. On is wholesome, and then on the other hand, you've got people were as soon as they come into the room, you better tuck your necklace into your shirt because you can't trust them
for a second. So I didn't really know which way that went. You're trustworthy, but when you were younger, I didn't know if you tried some things that had been off limits when you're even younger than that or not. So that's why I was asking about that. No, I've nothing like that. I just had a high affinity or or I don't want to say I'm exactly like that, because thank god I couldn't. But once I saw that
dog man and things started to wake up. But I feel like I just had a high affinity on the on the spiritual side, I don't like mentioning it because I don't want to seem like I'm full of myself or I can do this, I can do that. It's something. It's actually I kind of wish I was more like normal people. You know. I've always seen things, felt things like I said the thing in the window, and that
was really weird. Growing up, I've had times where I was hiking and because my mom told me and keeping earpiece out, I was able to hear certain things. I was hiking and there are three trails, and the way that it works is there's one that's higher. This is a one big sloped kind of mountain. You got a trail that's up here, and you know, a couple of yards down you have another trail, and then way at the bottom, which is not two way at the bottom, probably twice as
many yards to the bottom, there's a trail down there. I was on the middle trail and I was listening to music, and you know, you're walking and I'm walking pretty slow. I'm just a kid. I'm not doing this for athletics. I'm just kind of exploring, liking the trees, looking at bugs, you know, stopping looking that's a pretty cool looking rock. You don't just keep going. And I'm hearing my footsteps and it's it's mostly dirt and rocks, so you know, you kind of have that powdered footsteps
sound. It's not it's not very loud. Now, if you go up there to the higher trail. There is more powder, but it's more harder rocks, more gravel type of rocks, and a lot of leaves. And I was walking and I noticed something. You know, usually I could I have excellent hearing, excellent eyesight. I could hear and tell based off of weight. You know, I'm not a h I'd love to know more about
these things. I just like I'm gonna say, knowing. I may not ever do anything with the information, but I like knowing, And I could tell if the way or how it hops, Oh that's a rabbit or more skittish, unpredicted. And then I hear scratching. She just scratch it because it's going up a tree. Oh that's a squirrel. Usually anything other than that big footsteps, big trotting where their foot goes into the leaves and it kind of sounds like the leaves shuffle up and then re you know, hit
the ground. It's probably somebody's dog and they got off the leaves or they let them, you know, they let them go for a second ago do their business and then they return to their owner. Well, I was walking and I was hearing something and just it was in sync with my steps. Broad daylight, probably noon about this time, right now noon, and I'm walking and I'm hearing with my footsteps. So I was stepping one, two, three, and then I stopped, I stopping to hear one additional that's
kind of weird. Well, squirrels do that sometimes, and maybe it's skittish, and maybe I'm a little too close to squirrel and is now it is hiding from me because it thinks I'm a predator. So keep walking again. As soon as I start walking, I stop again. This time that last one. It stopped when I stopped my last footstep. So I look up to my left and I take my other ear about out and I'm looking at that upper trail. I don't see anything. I don't feel like I'm being
lurked on. But it was that quiet. But then again, it's noon, and this hike trail isn't like it's always filled with bird singing and bunny rabbits hopping around. It's it's not like that you can be there could be some quiet periods that you know. It's it's that quiet and there's nothing bad going on. There's no predators around, so I didn't think anything of it. I keep walking again. Now I'm a little freaked out because this thing
is only taking steps when I look. So I looked up again. I looked for it, and now I'm kind of feeling that fear and like, okay, run and so I took off a little bit. You know, again a kid, I'm not athletic. I couldn't even run maybe a solid mile if I tried, or maybe extreme danger or maybe I could have. But I ran until I got tired enough. And when I took off, I heard a few footsteps and then it stopped. I think it just stopped pursuing. I think whatever it was, I think it was more of an
animal. I don't want to chopped up anything, but I thought that was pretty strange that I might add. You know, there was some things that wilderness said I would go out, and my parents were trustworthier enough, And looking back at it now, I'm like, if I ever have kids, I might not let them do that, but you know, they'd let me go, and I'd get up to this hiking trail and there's no Carson parking lot, and so that means to me, woo, I got the whole
mountain to myself. But then now I'm thinking, as an adult, I'm like, huh, that's probably not too same. And I was hiking, and you know, I'm a little bit older. I'm in my late teens at this point, so it was, you know, I know all about being aware of my surroundings being saved. At this point, I'm carrying, you know, pocket knife's nothing crazy, but just something, a little bit
of something for self defense. And I was hiking, and I was doing one of those weight training and I'm hiking up and let me put this clear. This we call it a mountain. It's by no means a mountain. It's just a very large oh I mean, I guess for the area he has a mountain. But everybody in my city we make it a joke to say that's that's a hill. And so because it's a it's on the other side of the mountain, it's a freeway. There's houses on that end.
On this side of the river, there's houses. On the other end, there's uh you're kind of going towards the city, and on the other end again more residential area. All this is spaced off. It's not like you can just walk out of your house into these woods. But still there's no there shouldn't be bears. There shouldn't be wolves up here, keyword should it. Now it is big enough that if they're quiet, knew how to maintain themselves, maybe out of bear, a wolf or two might be able to
get away. I've seen boxes up there, you know, not too uncommon. But to be back on track, I'm hiking and I hear crunching, big crunching. So I crouched down, and I'm in this tall grass and I just crouched down. I was kind of on this rays area. Like I said, there's part as I dip and they go down, they go
up, they go down, they go up. So I'm on one of these upper areas and I'm hearing something lower where I would be walking down tours coming out of the tree line from my left, there's a different section. So the first section I said, where I was being fucked at, that's more inner woods, not even considered canopy. I mean, you're just all under trees at this point. This area is more open. It's a rockier,
harder kind of terrain. And I like to just kind of like stability training, and you know, I just like and join the name nature. It wasn't all about work. I just like enjoying nature, and it was kind of snowing. It was cold during this period, and there's snow laid everywhere, so I thought, man, this is a beautiful scenery. You know, most of the year you see green or in the fall you see brown, but in Oklahomas sometimes you get snow, and maybe two or three
years we won't get snow. So it was really nice to hike during this I'm hearing loud crunching, so I'm looking into the tree lines. No vegetation, so there's nothing really blocking me from kind of looking a little bit into the tree line. A big deer comes running out and it is It was fascinating to see that. Also, to be that close to a deer. I know hunters sometimes have trouble getting close to them, and they're well trained, a professional and you know, tracking and stalking deer. And here I
am, I'm so close to it. I would say, let's see here. I won't say that that close, but if I had a rifle and if I was hunting, I would have been in a perfect position. I will say maybe m forty fifty yards maybe a little more give or take, and it's right thigh or back, right leg was it injured. Now most of the area is open. There shouldn't be there very very rarely. There's also something that is up there. Not to talk about it too much,
but there is some like a military engineer stuff. I'll just leave that at that. Nothing super duper top secret, but there. I know there's bob where probably around that. I'm a guy that tries to stay a glass half fool or leave some kind of leniency and not just dumped to the worst possible conclusion. But I am looking at it's leg. I'm trying to identify,
like what kind of would is that, And it's bleeding. It's not like it's gonna die of bleeding out, but it's a good amount of blood to where whatever hurt it, or however it got hurt, maybe the reason it's running. But then my head starts to think, you know, I'm we're in deer. I'm like, wait a minute, we don't have predators at this area. We don't have predators out here, and what shouldn't be wolves?
And then even if it was, you know, I'm pretty sure I can make out a dog bite, but I don't know what a bear wolf bite looks like. I'm pretty sure if I saw it, I could gather at together. But it wasn't like a big you were, oval shape on its thigh. It was like a maybe a long scratch And so that's why my head went to maybe it got stuck or caught onto bobwire and couldn't get out. But it knows bobwires in animate, it would have moved away from
it. I don't see it full buck running through the woods because I know deers are also trying to evade predators, so they are very quiet most times. When they moved. This thing was barreling out of the tree like just any twigs, any branches, thick snapping, And that's why I ducked down. Was wait a minute, what is that. That's not a dog. I've heard dogs that got off the leash and you know Pete that you know, just excited to be out in the woods, and what is that why?
And then it came out and it was you know, it's cold, it's letting that that thick cloud of its exhale carbon oxide is just exhaling, and I'm like, it was just so much going on. I was like, wow, beautiful. At the same time, wait a minute, his leg is injured. Wait a minute, what could have energed it? We don't have predators out here. And you know, I sat there and I started to stand up slowly, and whatever this thing was looking for, whatever
scared up it was so freaked out. I know deers are extremely attentive, even more than squirrels. It didn't even notice me. It only noticed me when I moved my foot just a little bit and the gravel made it sound. It swiveled his head over the right and ran it. It went back in the same tree life, but not where it just went down. It went further down into the woods, down the direction I would have been walking, and then way in the back of that. Then it hopped back into
that side of the tree line. Wow, it really makes you wonder what had done that to it? Talking about that wound on the tip on its leg, could you tell for sure if it was just one scratch or a series of scratches. Trying to bring that out best, I'm closing my eyes, you're trying to remember as best as I can. I was still. I was close enough to see, you know, it's coat, the different
patterns and its coat. It was a buck and had it learnest it wasn't a dope, and I can't you know the way the blood was on it
and how s ruffled up that section of its thigh. Look, I couldn't tell, you know, when you got blood and at all, not to get too much into you know, detailed and discuss people, but you know, blood and plasma kind of mixed together, you know sometimes, or you might have gotten injured and you really don't know until you wipe the blood away and you're like, oh that scratch wasn't that bad, Or you're bleeding a lot, you're like, oh boy, this is bad. You wipe away
and it's just a little cut. You really can't tell. But this service area, and from where I was standing, I could tell it wasn't a gun For one, there is a residential area and even though it's it's a wooded forced it area, but no hunting is permitted, whether you know licensed or not, or you got the hunters had you know a hunting pass,
or this is not a land you can hunt on. And even if I would have heard a gunshot, like I said, nobody's here, it's snowing, it's quiet enough to hear anything go on, So I would say, I really can't tell. But it was pretty big. It was pretty big, So that's why I thought maybe it wrestled with a bob wire fence. I mean, you know, you scratched yourself from the bob wire, it can make you leave, but I would think I would know, get away from it or I keep doing damage. I don't know if it it was
so now that I'm thinking it's it's legs is not. You know, deers aren't are anatomy, so they stand taller, and you know, a bob wire fence to me would probably you know, depends on how how the person built the fence, but you know it could come up to any level almost of mean chest and below. But for a deer, you know, it wasn't this ankle, It wasn't its hoofs area, It wasn't a little bend
on its leg area. No, it was right in the back right part of its thigh kind of you know, not really even closer to we're in because it was just right dead center of it. I don't know if it was multiple scratches big. I could not answer that thoroughly and or answer it confidently. I'll say that, but it was it was a big wound. I will say that and it was running and it made no You know,
I know these animals are hiding hide and seek type of animals. They were trying to avoid predators, and for them to make that kind of noise, you know, run trying to get away from whatever. I'm thinking in my head. I've been up here almost all day. I haven't heard anything but this deer. So what has been up here to freak this deer out like this? Let alone? Best case scenario. I'm hoping the deer just freaked out and hurt itself. Worst case scenarios. Something hurt that deer bad enough
to where it ran like that. It does make you wonder what gave it that wound. I'll give you that. And I'm sure you understand why I was asking about if it was one scratch versus several scratches, don't you? Yes? Yes, probably Hopefully, like I said, one of those worst case scenarios, Hopefully it wasn't a dog man or I'd have to say dog man, because again, we do not have bears in Oklahoma. Maybe very far outskirts of Oklahoma, but the town or city I should say, it's
not a town in the city I'm in. We don't have any bears other than if you go to the zoo. Same for wolves. We do not have any wolves out here. Maybe if I could see if you're leaning towards a bobcat or something like that, a mountain lion, they're extremely rare. I've seen them one time in the twenty something odd years that I've been to this hiking area. They usually I don't know if they just migrate or they just kind of come and go like passing kyots. I honestly that's a possibility.
But I mean, this is a big buck, and I feel like if it was a pack of kyots, I would have seen multiple scratches and multiple areas of the deer, and again I would have heard them. It was one targeted area. This, Like I said, it was a pretty decent sized buck. I'm not saying it was super massive, you know, all if I have my rifle taking it down. I'm not a hunter anyways, but it was something for me to admire. But at the same time, I'm not I can't say for certain vig if it was multiple, but
there's it's a good chance. With as much blood as that was, I don't know if it could have came from one scratch. One thing to keep in mind is if it would have been coyotes, you have seen bite wounds, not scratches or a scratch, So I think you can take them off the table as being potential suspects. I agree back, No, I definitely agree. I would take kyles, bears definitely, and wolves off the table.
For then they get this so closer to I mean, it's it's on the other side of the river, but I mean I would not say that side of it is the boonies. You know, it's not like where a dogman could necessarily be. But at the same time, if now thinking about it, lining up, if the dogman were to travel at night, if I would have put thought into it, just go riot in between the few acreage where there's not houses and somehow cross this highway where there's not lights on
this section of highway there's not there's no lights. If it was able to avoid all that, yeah, I get entered it in through the back end of this hiking trail and it would have a very large acreage of no lights, no communications, no cars, no roads, no houses, and some pretty decent amount of game there. So I would say a dog men before I would say a wolf or a bear or kyles if anything, well, for the reasons you just outlined, there just might be a or several dog
men or dog men in that area hanging around. You never know. You gave us some details about how that dog me and you saw that night looked mad. But is there anything else you can tell us about its appearance that you didn't share with this on last week's show. I'll just list what I remember, and if I remember anything else, I don't not to be too
repetitive, just to kind of help myself rejog my memory. But I know when I came around the bed, it was black, but the light I won't say it was had a super shiny coat, but it was just enough to reflect. It wasn't like my lights going through into the void of dark, you know at night where there's a point where your headlights just don't light it up. No, this kind of reflected a little bit of light, so I knew it was a solid its eyes amber gold color, bright pointed
ears, slender. It wasn't like I hear some of the other dogment stories where they're super jacked, super ripped. It was on the slender side, like kind of thinner. Let's see your kept pace. And when it got in, you know, up to my window during the driving section I'm trying to floor it. It came up without any any restraints. It wasn't worried about hitting trees or weaving in and out of the tree lines to get to
my car, and it looked so vicious. Now again, I didn't turn my head to the right because one I'm trying to keep my hands on the wheel, eyes on the rope, and but I was able to lean my head just just teeny bit. I mean, it wasn't in fear, like my neck was locked. I couldn't look right even if I wanted to. And I could kind of look while still look at the road, look at my peripheral and I could still see these Now I see the even bigger but amber orange eyes black. But I feel like when it got closer, I
don't know, it sounds weird. I feel like when it got closer, maybe like not black and brown, maybe a tinger brown. I don't know how to explain it, but I'm just gonna go with black, amber eyes, extremely sharp white teeth. That thing that part breaked me out more than
just the coat of fur. Or seeing the dog Man. It was long sharp teeth, yeah, And it was the way it curled its lips up black gums, and it it just like I said, when it flewly went into the bee line into the tree line, it did the same thing even off the road. It just almost like it vanished right back into the tree line. It paced me until I got to Bristol, or the until I got to like the border of Bristol. Those are the only details that I
could come up with. And you know, to kind of give leeway there, you know, I know, listener or listening to you know, or kind of giving leeway to me too as I'm driving. Also I'm driving at higher speed. It wasn't really like I had a whole lot of time like with the Hitchhiker shape Shifter people, where I kind of slowed down. I didn't feel feel like I was in as imminent danger or death coming for me,
so I kind of slowed down. I could just dribe more details about them because I was doing roughly between thirty thirty five and forty as I'm approaching
those people. But for the Dogman, it was strictly get out alive, get out of here right now, and so the details I had gathered for the quick few glances that either looked after the room in the beginning encounter and somewhere in the middle towards the end when it approached and kind of got up close to my passenger side window before it went off into the tree line again. After that it stayed all within the dark of the tree line, and
then I hit the border of Bristol. All that just dissipated, just just went away. And after that I've never seen where or got that kind of scary sits failing that, Oh my god, I'm going through it again. The dogment is back. I've never Those are the only details I got from that occurrence. I'm so glad you haven't had an experience like that or a feeling like that since it happened. Yeah, thank goodness for that. You
were religious before that experience happened. Did having it draw you closer to God? Yes? Absolutely? Surprise you actually ask that, yes, mostly because there are scriptures that say that there are principalities. You don't know that evil things, evil spirits, evil doers, and high places. Meaning I can walk, I can talk, I can breathe, I can get a water, I can swim. I'm not water. Well, we're made of water, yes, but I can't just say okay, I'm gonna go in to
water. I don't have to breathe. There are things that don't have limitations, that mean to do you harm. And so you know, as a kid growing up, like you know you're sitting in church, you know you're like, oh, okay, yeah, I don't know what that means, but okay, you know you're a little kid. As I got older to really read and understand as it hits different, I've always protected during anything.
You know, I should walk through the battle. Excuse me, I shall walk through the valley of shadow and death, and I shall fear no evil. Very powerful, and you know most people thinks, you know, where could you apply that at anything? I mean, you could live in a rough neighborhood and say I gotta go to gig groceries. But there's a dangerous area. You know, they robbed people here at this store almost every other Tuesday. Every other day. You could walk at that store, store might
get robbed. You'll be all right. And I feel like that took that a level further because I could have been one of the very few just maybe the one percenter of Dogman that actually had it caught me, could have hurt me. It never caught me. The hitchhikers never, I did not let them in the car. I feel like those are the senses that snapped me back into reality because, like I said, with one of them, I was about to open the door and that overwhelming stop, like you could hear
verbaling your ina. I was like, wait a minute. You know, I am one of those people. I try to stay humble. I don't give myself all the credit world. I'm a superpower, superhuman pertine. I mean, we do have sense this, we do have common sense, yes, but I feel like there's something that guides me in the right direction and always protecting me. So when I encounter that, you know, I'm not even gonna lie. You know, when I first said, was that a
demon? You know, I didn't, you know, I'm thinking werewolf, But I was like, no, any monsters, anything that is unhuman or you know, unclean abomination. So that has to be a demon that's demonic. And so you know, it's really weird because they got aliens and big Foot and maybe they're just some kind of evolution of you know, I don't like, it's very hard. That's where it gets into the gray area of the history of these things. What are they? Like you say, did
they come straight from the ether? Are they coming from somewhere? I was listening to another episode yesterday actually from a lady and they you know, we might have a few fossil kords of Thickfoot, so it's a little bit more easier to approved we have no fossil records of dogment. Are they coming from somewhere else? Where are they coming from? And so that's kind of very not But to answer your question, yes, I feel like that has brought
me a lot more closer to God. And when I quote those things in time of fear or even when I'm not in fear, to just hey, sometimes you have to be You might not be scared, but the person next to you, whatever they're going through, and it doesn't have to be a dogment and karter might be scared of something. By you being brave helps them be brave, even if there wasn't a moment for you to chest up and
feel like you need to be brave because you knew God had you. It's that, Hey, if I exude this bravery, this person will know it's okay and they can be brave too if they don't have it in them. And so that's just kind of you know where I stand. You know, I just always about helping people. But yes, I don't say that as definitely brought me closer closer to guide in that aspect. As you know, if you can answer yes to that question, then I guess that encounter wasn't
all bad. So that's a great thing having so much faith as you do, Matt, were you surprised by how that experience affected you? Yes, I would say. There's a verse about joke, and there's a guy who he suffered a lot, and he didn't necessarily do anything to deserve it, and he even asked God at one point he said, I know I was not created to be born and to die and to suffer. You know,
he prayed for more, prayed for a better life. And you know, at the time I'm going through these things, I'm like, why is this allowed to be happening? Why is this happening to me? But I feel like overall it made me a stronger character. Like you said, it made have been all bad. I prayed, you know, there might have been some other things going on in my life. But it wasn't really anything.
I don't feel significant. But see, some of the things we do we feel aren't significant, are actually great, you know, and it's value and it's told that we do. And so I mean, I wasn't doing anything bad, was hurting anybody, wasn't doing anything all. It was all I had the energy to do during this time with go to work, go home, pay the bills, and the kind of a repetitive cycle. I'm in a better career standpoint right now, so I'm not kind of going through that.
You know, I'm not just in a rat race. But that's neither here nor there. I don't really feel like I did anything that warranted or deserved that kind of level of evilness projected towards me. But then see, then again, evil doesn't really care if you're a good or bad person. Evil doesn't hurt evil people. Evil hurts good people, hurts anybody that it can possibly get its evil hands on. So to saying there is something that when you ask that I do want to bring up, I've never done.
You asked this question earlier. I've never done a Wuiji boar, and I forgot about it. I wasn't skipping it or hiding it. This is these questions you've asked kind of prompt today. I did something called lucid dreaming a long time ago. I was a younger teenager and I'm an older teenager. You're a younger teenager. And I didn't know a whole lot about it. I just thought it sound cool, and I said, oh man, that'd
be awesome to try it out. And you know, I did the whole sit still thing, and I felt really weird, and I felt like a mind you and my belief system, you don't do that. That's not you know, if these things happen to you, Okay, then they happen to you, but you don't, like I said, like with the dog man, I don't go to accent a row. I don't welcome it in. If it, like I said, it happened, it happened. But I don't go calling out for the dog men to come at me, because then
now now you're kind of a bad situation. So I wasn't really supposed to do this, at least from far of my belief system. If anybody believes anything else, that's perfectly fine. It might work for you, just doesn't work for me. But when I did this, I later on figured out that people were telling me like, oh, you should have did more research.
That's the way to open your third eye. And people were saying, no, you didn't, you didn't lose it dream you astro projected, And I was like, I kind of was sad because there's levels to it, and I didn't want to do any of that. None of that sound cool to me. I just wanted to be able to control my dreams and maybe like driver Lamborghini and actually have control and not beer off the road into like a cookie factory. Just something dumb. I was like, I just wanted
to try and test out, saying can I control my dreams? And for the most part, I had three dreams I could. He said, I wanted to see a beach. I woke up on the other side of this wooden fence and I clamed the fence and right on the other side fence with
Sam and a beach. I can hear the water, I can see it, I can smell desault, and I've seen all these little holes and set what is that kind of you know, not freaked than or what the world was a baby sea turtles coming out of it and all going towards the water, and I said, and I'm in the dream and I'm thinking it's almost if you've ever seen the movie Inception, I said, wow, I really
can't do it. And there was a point where I don't know why or how, because I again I was a teenager, but I was driving a car, got pulled over. I'm gonna see if this is gonna work. No, she's about to get me a ticket. I forgot what I said or how I did it. I told her something. She's like, oh, okay, well carry on. Didn't get me a ticket. No warning, Just I mean, well, yeah, warning. I'm not like a written citation. And I said, I really can't control because the first one
was urban. I guess you could say control control the environment. I wanted to see what was my interaction with people in a dream, and I didn't get a ticket. Well, when I woke up, you know, started doing more research, I was like, that's a no no in the Christianity world, I shouldn't have done that. So I hadn't encountered anything scary. Immediately after that, no, unwanted astro projections all being pulled out of my body and then something weird is trying to talk to me or nothing. Actually
I let it go because it's a practice kind of thing. I stopped practicing and stop trying to do lucid dreaming. I just went to sleep. Whatever dream I have, I haven't and so I don't know. You know, maybe I don't know if that correlates to her. If I've ever used a Weiji board thing, but I've prayed about it. If it is open, I prayed for it to be closed. Some people say, well, maybe it was halfway open. I don't. I don't know if there's a half
I think it either is or it isn't open. But that's neither here nor there. But I just wanted to throw that out because I've never used a Weiji board. But that was one spiritual thing you could say that I did that. I thought it was a cool mind trick you're doing for your dreams, like in rim. No, this was you know, like I said, When I first was doing it, I felt like I was leaving my body and I was like, yes, it was a very weak. I
can't describe it. Now you're getting, like you said, the ether stuff. You're getting into some that isn't just the laws of physics. If I dropped this apple, it will hit the ground. It's I can't explain those kind of physics in that aspect. But yeah, I wanted to answer that previous custry when I said, no, I've never used a Weiji word, but I have done lucid dreaming, which it turns out it goes hand in hell with astral projection, which is a spiritual, a self spiritual kind of
thing. Well, I can understand your concerns and you wondering about that possibly predisposing you to having that dog me An encounter and maybe some of the other experiences. But I'd be awfully surprised if it had anything to do with it. I really would. From what I hear. You're Matt, you've got a trip plan. I'm working to tell us about that. Yeah, yeah, that's hold Thick. In the beginning of the show, I'm going camping. I hope I don't call back. I haven't went camping in years.
Half of it due to the Dogmen, other half of it doing too well, I should say, one third of it from the dog Men, and one third is just not having the time, and the other third is just not having the money. So I mean, those two thirds are now out of the way, So I mean, I'm not too worried, but at the same time, I'm going to stay vigilant. It's just a three day camp trips. I'm nothing too bad, you know, I won't be out
too far. But I think it'll be pretty fun. I'm trying to do it before it gets too cold, and so, you know, just enjoyed this last bit of summer because all this summer I've mostly just been working. You know, I'm workaholic. You know, it's not like I feel like when I tell these stories, I'm slave to work. You know, I like working, don't get wrong. I want to be able to afford things that I like and also have a good retirement in the future down the road.
But I'm at a point to where I'm now. I'm a little bit in the middle, Like you can't be just all work and not enjoy the life where you aren't here right now at this current second end day. So I've planned this and I think it's gonna be pretty fun. Hopefully no no cryptid sightings. And if I do, I have a telescope, maybe i'll see it way far away. Yes, hopefully, that's not going to happen. I just hope you focus on having a great time out there. I'm
so glad to hear that you're gonna do this. That's great, Thank you, Vick. Yes, no, I'm really excited. I haven't went camping, like I said, a year let's see here probably you know what strange as I said, probably a little bit before after that document encounter. So yeah, probably five six plus years since then. So yeah, it'll be fun. I think it'll be cool. So you're long ever do that? Yes, absolutely, It's been nothing but work since January first, So yeah,
I'm really excited. Not really too big on fishing. I can do it. I can actually, you know, gut and cook them. But you know the area that I'm going, I think it's mostly bass and I don't want need bass, and also I don't have any poles or any stuff to fish. But I think my main thing is sticking what I do best, and I'll be observing the terrain, the scenery and hiking on some of the trails they have there. Well, like I said, I hope you
have a great time. I really do. We're about out of time, man, But before we get out of here, do you have any clothes and comments you like to share? Always be respectful two people. Other people help encourage other people. If you're down on a hard time, whether you know you believe it or not, God is always there for you as yours. For this, you know some of the stories that I had. It costs nothing to be kind to other people. Not be rude. You don't
need to be native to respect the land and respect creatures and animals. You don't have to go and trash these places up. You do happen to have an encounter, do not be disrespectful. Don't full horn them and try to cause any trumpe of violence altercation with them, whether they're spiritual or real beings. I mean, the word is in their name, dog man. Don't
disrespect these creatures and they'll leave you alone. You'll be just fine. You might be scared out of your wits if you're too close, but yeah, those would be my closing comments. Mad I hope you never change your top notch. I just love your personality and you're an all I'm great guy, so that's why I see that. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences with us.
I really appreciate it, no problem, It's been a pleasure. Thank you again for your encouraging words, Vic, and I really appreciate you inviting me out into the show. Even though it's been long passes. These encounters happen risedly believe it or not, as much as I've bottled up, and I sound like I'm okay. This actually kind of helped me a lot to get this encounters off. The only person I had back then was my ex our well girlfriend at the time, but x now. So it's really good to
hear somebody like minded that actually does research and knows of these things. And I'm actually really glad that I came across your channel a few months ago. One of the best things I happened this summer. So thank you again, Vick. Well you know you're welcome. I'm just so glad to hear that this process has helped. So yeah, that's music to my ears. But having said that, thanks against much for coming on and have a great night.