At at Hey, everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this special Thursday night episode of Dogging An Encounters Radio. We've got a special show for you tonight where tonight's guest is going to come on and talk about a pretty frightening encounter you had back in two thousand and I think it was two thousand and seven. Well, before we can do that, we of course need to bring him in here. So why don't we do that now? Ethan, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you, Rick, Oh,
you know you're welcome. Then please give us a brief bio in yourself. My name is Ethan. I'm thirty three years old. I lived in southern Missouri, been a farmer most of that time. Love to go outdoors, you know, hunting, fishing, stuff like that, and just just a down to earth guy that you are. Didn't take long talking with you to realize how nice of a guy you are. And yeah, what a life you live. That's a great life you've carved out for yourself. I'm jealous,
I really am. Oh I'm a pretty simple guy and that's been VI real jealous about. Well that's a good thing. That's a good way to live. Ethan late at night when it's dark and quiet. How often do you think about dog men? Oh, it's a It's like a thought in the very very back of my head. I've tried to, you know, deal with it as I can, try not to let it control me, but I just every now and then, when you're at night, out at night, I can just there's this little thought in the back of my head
that something's watching. So that's the most the extent of it. Well, that's only natural after having experience like the one that you had, So yeah, that's not a shock. How'd you find out about the show? I was I can't even remember the name of the podcast, but I was listening to another podcast and they were talking. They kind of started talking about dog Men a little bit, and they said, if you want to listen to it, if you want a good podcast, and they mentioned your name and
your show. So I just looked it up and started listening and really got into it. Well it goes with that saying I'm so glad you found out about me and what I do. That's good news. Are you a crop farmer or do you raise livestock? Oh? We at the time of the encounter, we were a dairy farm, and then we sold that and now we primarily do beef cattle. So I'm outside every day missing with something out there. So you raise beef cattle now you're more likely to be injured by
a beef cattle normally than a dairy cow. Is it harder to do what you do now than what it was back then when you had to get up at four am and bring the cows into the barn to milk them. Oh no, no, this is twenty times easier than that. I mean I still get up pretty early, but I'm not near as currns for time, and I can be a little late or a little early. It doesn't really matter. Just as long as I get took care of, that's all I
worry about. Well that's good. Yeah. The reason why I said that is most people who aren't around cows and don't deal with them, they would know that. They say that beef cattle are normally more dangerous than dairy cows because you don't have to handle them as often as you would a diary cow. I mean with adiry cow, you're going to bring it into the barn
twice a day. But with beef cattle, for most people, some people don't do this, but most beef farmers they just leave the cattle out there in the pasture, and if they have to bring them into a shoot or
something, they'll do that, but otherwise it's totally hands off. So that's why I said that back then when you had that encounter, Like I said just a bit ago, if you're keeping dairy cows, you've got to be up at the crack of dawn, actually way before that four am, bring the cows into the barn in the dark, when it's full dark out. I can only imagine how horrible it must have been having to do that. Still, even though you just had a dog me an encounter, what more
can you tell us about that? Uh, it was just it was it was rough to deal with. Like I said, at you know, the next I mean the next that's that morning after it happened. You know, I came home with the bed and then I got up that morning to go get cows. And I mean I didn't I didn't sleep. I mean, I won't lie to anybody. Didn't sleep. And uh, you know, being out there in the dark on a four wheeler at four wheeler ATV It's
just it was, it was scary for quite a while. Actually, probably you tell me like it's solid two months to kind of calm down and relax about it before I Actually it didn't bother me as bad. Well, I'm glad you got over it eventually. Were there times where you're ready to throw in the towel and say, you know what, I just can't do this because you've got all those woods around your farm, and you've got out buildings
and so many places for that dog me un to be hiding. At any point, did you almost throw the towel in and say, you know what, I I just can't do this. I give up. Uh, the thought was in my head. But I've we've I've done it. I've done Oh. I've been a farmer, like I said, most of my life. So just you know, I I kind of it was kind of one deals that had to work through it and deal with it. You know. I had deal with it by myself, which was rough. But other than
that, I dealt with it and I didn't try to let it. Like I said, I didn't try to let it affect me because you know, I still got a life to live and I still got to go out here and do these things. So I try not to let it bother me too much. I mean, like I said, I always said that feeling something was there, but I tried to shake it off and keep going. Good man, I'm so glad you're able to do that. I don't need to
tell you a lot of people wouldn't have been able to do that. They would have given up and maybe gone and worked out of a cubicle someplace or something, which, yeah, that'd be horrible if they're forced to do that. Know in the woods as well as you do ethan, do you get frustrated when you hear it postulated the dog me and eyewitnesses or just misidentifying black bears for the dogman they saw. I mean I could, I could see it if you if you don't, if you don't know what a bear looks
like, then yes I could. I could see you know, being like, well, I saw a dog man. I mean bears, you know, when they want to get rouled up or territorial, you know, they'll stand up on two legs, you know, let them know you're there. But all you got to do is the bear, you know, get loud and get loud and make yourself as big as possible. And try and scare them off. But I could see some sort of misidentification if you know somebody who's not been around one. I mean, you don't see a dog man
every day, either, But you know I could see it. Yeah, I can too. If the subject's far away and it's really dark out and the person doesn't know much of anything about animals, then yeah, that can happen. But there's so many cases where these guys are right on top of an eyewitness where you can definitely see there's more than enough light to see well, but still that's the go to. No, it was a black bear.
It was just a case of misidentification. Your encounter happen on October of two thousand and seven at a place it's pretty close to your farm that you heard was haunted. What more can you tell us about the place, Well, it's about fifty it's about roughly fifteen minutes away from my where I'm where I live at now. Uh. It was just we call them logging roads, and it's just a road cut through the woods where you can drive. You drive trucks down. You drove full wheelers side by side whatever, you
know, and it was down. It wasn't like terribly deep in the woods. But then again, you know, I've been in the woods so much at night doing like coon hunting and stuff like that, it didn't bother me to be down there. And we were just doing it to be you know, young, young, dumb kids, just trying to look for fun on a Friday or Saturday night, whatever night it was looking for fun on that night. It's I mean, it was kind of it's kind of brushy,
but not terribly like. You can still see pretty good through there, so I mean, it wasn't It's not bad, but I don't want I want to go back to it. Here. You two were looking for fun and wound up having a nightmare. That's horrible. It really is, all right, Ethan, please tell us about your encounter. Now, give us every
last detail that comes to mind. October two thousand and seven. Uh, I was seventeen and my friend of mine, Uh, we got together just grat well, we heard about this little supposed haunted, haunted spot in the woods, and we just wanted to go check it out because you know, everybody talked, who've heard, like some of the old timers around home talk about it, so we want to go check it out. We got our
pickup and drove down, drove down there. We pulled on the dirt road and then took the turn into the road and there's a hand painted sign. You know, people people think they owned the woods, and they it's not Thursday own. They just try to keep you out. Hand painted sign said like something like keep out or stay out or something like that. And us being seventeen year old kids, you know, we ignored the sign and kept driving down in the woods and it kind of opened up to a spot where
you could park the truck or get turned around. So we turned truck around, excuse me, and we sat down, we said, we set on tailgate and we sat there for a while. It's probably about ten ten thirty ish at night, a little bit of moonlight out. We're just sitting on tailgate listening seeing if we could hear something paranormal, I guess, and we heard some rustling in the bushes, you know. But like I said, we me and my friend, we've both been in we've been coon hunting,
we've been deer hunting, been out in the woods at night. So we just chalked it up to like, you know, either a raccoon or deer moving around in the bushes. No big deal. But uh, you know, you could hear it, but it wasn't to us. It wasn't nothing of concerned. Then we sat there and we got ready to go. So we got up and we shut the tailgate and shuttail gate. Was standing there
talking. The next thing, you know, we heard a rumble and a rustle in the brush pretty close to us, uh, probably roughly thirty yards from us, and it was big, and I was like, we both kind of looked at it and wondering, Hey, what the heck is this? You know, Then we heard a low growl, but it was a low growl, but it was like a It was like a dog. It sounded like a dog. To me. It sounded like a dog, like a dog like growl. So we we stopped and looked. And then next
thing, you know, this this thing stands up behind this bush. It stands up from behind the bush and I'm going to guess roughly six or six and a half seven feet tall. And when I saw Vick's logo, that's what jogged my memory about how this thing look I mean, it looked just like that had the ears, had the yellow eyes, the tail, the stance, everything, this thing stands up, and you know, we we
get loud. You know, bear at that time, bear was pretty rare around here, so you know, if you saw one, it was you know, if you saw one, it was everybody called you lucky because you actually saw one. And it stood up and we got loud and yelled and everything and just stood there. And well, us being country boys and farmers and hunters and all that, we always have some sort of gun in the truck. Well, we got up and or I went to the pastor's side
of the truck and I grabbed a twenty two mag. Now twenty two mags not a very big gun. It's just it's you know, mainly like a farm gun or something like that. It's not big, just something. We just carried it around, had it with us, and I pulled it out and uh, my buddy, still my buddy yelled. The kid's still yelling. And then I just pulled the gun up and shot it. I heard. I heard the if you've shot, if you've been around firearms and you
target shot hunted, it doesn't matter target shooting, hunting. Whatever you can hear, if it's close enough, you can hear when a bullet hits. You can hear. It's a distinct smack when a bullet hits. And I heard the bullet hit and I was aiming dead center of it and heard it hit, and this thing just stood there and looked at us. Well, I put the gun in the truck. We hurried up and got in the truck and uh, he started the truck. He started the truck and we
started drive out there. I mean we couldn't go very fast, but as fast as we could handle it. And we started driving out of the woods. Well, I looked, and this thing's chasing us through the woods. I mean, it's falling us through the woods. You can clearly see it running through the woods. And I just told my buddy, like, hey, we gotta go, we gotta go. It's following us. And then we get up past we get up to that handpainted sign I was telling you about earlier. We get up to it, and uh, I think it
stops right roughly in that area before it crossed that boundary. Right there, it stops and it just stands there and looks at us. And when we turned to go back to the highway off the back on the dirt road. Sorry, when we turned to get back on the dirt road. We saw it and it was standing there still, and then it just turned around and it went back in the woods, and so we drove a town. We
got back. We got back to town to drop me off to my my truck, and we sit there and talked about it a little bit, and my buddy's like, oh, it was just a bear. It's just a bear. And I'm like, bears don't have dolls years and sound like a dog, you know, they don't. They don't. Bears don't make that noise. And he just chalked it up, well, we just got chased by a bear or something. It wasn't it wasn't nothing serious, and he did he shook it off. But it bothered. It bothered me bad,
Like I said, it bothered me bad. And I got home and in my mind, like most other people that don't know what they're looking at, I was like, well, it's a where It was a werewolf. That's what I said. It was a werewolf. And I didn't sleep that night. Like I said, I did not sleep that night. And then four o'clock in the morning hit my arm goes off to go get the dairy cows, and I get up and go out, and I get my four wheeler and started and then I get up and get before willer go start it.
And then I go down to the field to start getting cows, you know, start getting around the cows and bringing out to the barn. The whole time, I'm scared to death, scared out of my mind, you know. And uh, I mean this it messed with me really really bad, and like that's it. Yeah, I didn't I didn't have nobody talk to my friend, you know, chalked it up as a bear encounter or something. Uh I. And you know, I'm out there in the pitch bike
darkfore sun comes up a few hours before this. You know, I just got chased out of the woods of what I thought was a were wolf. I'm scared to death, don't want to be out there. Uh yeah. Uh it took me. It it took me about two months. About two months. It kind of took me to get trying to show it back in my mind and deal with it on my own and just go just do what I had to do, like I do, like I had to do. And then, uh, I would say, roughly end of December sometime beginning
of January Uh. Down below our milk barn, we had just we pushed out a bunch of trees to clear out for some more pasture drownd. We pushed out a bunch of trees and I had a at the time, I had a pit bull dog and me and this me and this thing were close. I mean, he was a big dog, wasn't scared of nothing, hated coyotes. He'd go fight coyotes if you didn't get him in at night,
stuff like that. And uh, I wake up one night and this he's just he's sitting there staring out my bedroom window, which is on the second story, and you can't see the barn or anything from there, and he's just staring out my window and he's got a growl, like a real defensive ready to fight throw. I said, what's going on? I said, what's going on? Buddy? You need to go outside. Well, he ran to the door, my bedroom door. I opened it. We
go downstairs, go out the back door. I grabbed a flashlight and we start walking. And then you round the corner by my parents' house where I was living at You around the corner and uh, you can see the front of the barn and you can see where we've been walking at well. I looked down there and it was another pretty well well let moon that night. And uh, I see the thing that I saw in the woods two through two, two and a half months ago. I see that same outline walking
across where we had just toast. It walked across and it stopped because my dog was standing there drowling. It stopped, it looked at me, looked at me and him, I would say, roughly ten maybe fifteen seconds, and then it turned and it his head and it kept walking through the field and kept going south of the house. And after that that reignited that whole being, you know, somethings out there in the wood, something out there
in the dark in the woods watching me. It missed with me. It messed with me for a while, you know, But I hadn't you know, I didn't have anything else happened, you know, anymore that I'm aware of anyways happened h And so, like I said, I just kind of put it in the back of my mind. Then I finally, you know, accepted it and moved on. And I accepted that what I saw was
either a werewolf or something nobody else around here. Knows about. And I live in an area where you can't go tell somebody you saw a sasquatch or a dog man and they take you seriously, they'll laugh at you. And so, you know, I kept it to myself, and uh, you know, I really hadn't really thought about it a whole lot about the encounter, But that feeling that something's always out there in the woods watching me is always It's always there. I mean it's still there to this day, not
as intense, but it's still there. I mean I still get it every once in a while when I go outside in the dark to check a cow that we got in the pen next to the house, or I have used wood wood for my heat in the winter, and you know, I go outside and check my wood fire, and I feel like something's standing out there in the edge of the yard, just watching me. But uh, you know, uh try not to try not to let it bother me. And
I just keep trying. I let it bother me and try to do the best that I can with it. And I found, like I said, I found this show with another podcast, and I'm listening to it pretty religiously, and I heard I heard an encounter kind of similar to mine, you know, getting chased out of the woods and everything and running off. And I sit there and I just said, well, I need to get this.
I need to get this story out there. Just get this story out there for some other people, you know, get it out there for others to hear and let them know that, you know, it can happen to anybody and anywhere. And maybe you know me coming forward, maybe somebody else is sitting there struggling with an encounter and they don't really want to talk about
it. Maybe they can. Maybe this will help them realize. You know, you may be dealing with it in your own way or whatever, but if you talk about it, maybe it can give you some kind of clothesure on it. Because after I told my first conversation with Dick, I felt
a little bit more. I felt a lot more at ease here lately, you know, being outside and you know, with my little bit of research that I consider research doing, you know, I realized that they could have if this thing wanted to kill me and my friend that night, we could have been killed that night. And you know they're there. They could be
watching you right now. You know, you could be sitting outside and they could be watching you right now and you'll have you don't have no idea because, like I said, this thing just come out of nowhere, it seem
like. And then, uh, you know, if I can I've told Vick several times, you know, if this, if it's anything comes out of this and I can help somebody or help them with you know, having to deal with this, and then I'd be That's why I kind of wanted to do this, to see, if you know, let people know that this can this can happen to anybody anywhere, anytime, and you never know when it is going to happen. But that's that's my encounter. Really is
a shame that experiences like that have to happen to people. But as you found out, it's first hand they do. They do. Unfortunately, when you saw that dog man at the farm, the thoughts that it come to mind that maybe it was the same dog man you and your buddy saw that was coming back to pay you some retribution, out to get retribution for you
shooting it, or the thoughts like that even cross your mind. I mean at the time when when when the one at the farm happened, you know, I was just thinking, Holy crap, you know this, this thing's here, like I got one here, and you know I didn't. I couldn't tell you if it was the same one or not. But you know, uh, part of me did think, you know, I mean, it could be the one that came to you know, it could be the one that I shot. And maybe he's like, hey, I got your
stent. I know where you live, so uh let's ah, I'm back just to let you know. Hey, I'm here. I know where you're at, so here you are here? I am well. I can only action the thoughts it must have been going through read that's intense. How far is that place where you and your buddy had that first encounter from your farm? It will it's I want to say, roughly fifteen minutes north north northwest of my house. I could I mean, like I say, I could
drive there right now and I could take you right to the road. But I haven't been, Like, I haven't been down that road in years. I refuse to go down that road after this expinence. I mean, that's only like real bad negative thing I could get out of it is I don't go down to dirt road an this one dirt road anymore. Like I avoided, like the plague. And you know, I've had people want to go down this dirt road and I tell them, I don't want to go this
way. I don't like this road or something. So it's like fifteen to twenty minutes, i'd say from the house. It's pretty close, too close for comfort. Is it possible to get to that spot, the haunted spot from your farm without ever leaving the woods? You could do it? It was. I mean, there's a couple there's a couple of highways you'd have to cross. But I mean for you know, but you know, I've seen deer, you know, traveling a pretty good little radius around the house.
You know. You know, I've seen deer travel quite away. Some same deer at my place had been in a neighbor's place, you know, five minutes away, five minutes away from me. So it does It wouldn't shock me that something could come through the woods, you know, come through the woods and cross them. I mean, like I said, it had to cross a couple of highways, but nothing major. Well, I could probably go underneath the highway too, following a creek or something like that.
I'm sure couldn't it. Oh yeah, there's there's a I know at least of one creek that it could is something hit you know, this dog man or something could go through the creek to get to there too. I mean, like I say, there's a lot of a lot of national forest, you know between me and my house. I mean, like like I was telling you that a night, you look up my driveway and see national forest
right in front of my house, out in front of my driveway. So all that connects pretty well, pretty solidly, you know, other than a few farms and houses here and there in between. But if it wouldn't surprise me a bit if something went through the river or something like that to get around yeah, just might have in fifteen minutes away. That might seem like a pretty good distance to be uninitiated. But for a dog, any that
is just a hop skipping to jump. Unfortunately, from what I understand, that friend who was with you when you had that first encounter isn't with us anymore. What happened to him? He, like I said, we're country boys and stuff like that, were country boys and farmers. We he used to do. He used to do rodeos, and I used to work at work the bulls at the rodeos, and he had a full writing accident that November, not roughly roughly about a month from the time it happened. He
had a he had a bad bull riding accident and died. Died at the died on the way to the hospital. So wow, Yeah, it was it was a rough time, like I said, And then you know, the only other person that experienced this with me wasn't here, so I had nobody else. Yeah, that's horrible. How old was he? Uh? Seventeen? We Uh, I just that October? Actually I just turned eighteen. I just I just turned eighteen. I was seventeen going on eighteen when
the encounter happened, right before my eighteen birthday. And then he was seventeen, so we were juniors in high school. Way too young for something like that to happened. Was that a junior rodeo, because if he wasn't even eighteen, he couldn't ride with the men, could he? Uh? No, it was a heat They have the rodeos we did. They had a
junior they had a junior class. So it wasn't near as how do I put it, not near as nasty or mean bulls like they were still bull, they were learning, how they were being trained how to become bucking bulls. And like I say, it was just a freak accident. You know, the bull got under his vest. He wore a protective vest and a helmet. The bull just got in between the vest and his shirt and poked.
And I don't I didn't don't know exactly what happened, how that happened, but he got poked and broke something and it punctured some I don't remember. Like I said, it's been year. I just know it was a bad rodeo accident. And I was there. That's all I can tell you. I was there. Yeah, I'd say it must have been a bad rodeo accident. Yeah, with him being seventeen underage like that, Yeah,
it's not like they're going to put him on Bodacious or anything. But yeah, I guess even with the team down bowls that aren't experienced, it could be awfully dangerous. Still unfortunately, Well, let's get into the listener questions now, Ethan. Before I do that, though, if you have a question for Ethan and you're in the live chat, please be sure to type your question in all caps. That way I won't miss it, or at
least hopefully I'm not going to miss it. The first question for you, though, is from David Smooth, and Dave wants to know how Ethan did the dog man have a blige on its back, like a hunchback sort of? It's hard to tell because it was, like I said, this thing was when it stood up, it was facing us. I mean it may have been hunched. I like I said, I don't know. I kind of I didn't have time to really, I didn't give myself a whole lot
of time to example what was happening. I was just trying to get out of a bad situation and then hopefully not make a worse situation out of it. Oh sure, yeah, I mean you're doing good to know your own name. You're just trying to get out of there on one piece. So that's totally understandable that you didn't pick out certain details like that. I've got another one for you from Do Something Deff, and that question is Ethan,
was it slim or was it wide with big shoulders? It was it was wide, it was wide, it was it was very it was muscular. I know that. I mean you couldn't I couldn't see like, you know, perfect muscle tone because I said of lit night. But it wasn't perfect. You know, I'm a perfect edition where I could explain it perfectly. But it was it stood. It was wide with big shoulders and it was Yeah, it was big for sure. Oh I'm sure it was. If
it was only seven feet tall, though that's a juvenile. That's a small dog man. But when you see a seven footer, that's still going to get your motor running. So I understand, I've got a question for you that you already answered, but no one's perfect. I'll just answer this for David. David Smooth asked it. He wants to know did it follow you home? Well, he did have an encounter with another dog man that morning. His dog alerted him to its presence that morning, but he thinks that
just might have been the same dog man. He doesn't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was the same one. The next question is from Shennan Ubenezer, and Shennon's question is maybe I missed it, but what state and county did this happen in? Now that's up to you whether you answer that and give a specific location, Ethan, but if you want to answer it, you can. Uh, they happened in
southern I live in southern Missouri, so it happened in southern Missouri. Uh. I don't really know what county it happened in, because that spot's kind of a weird lay of how our county's come together right there. So it could be one of three that I know of, But I honestly couldn't tell you what county. But it was in southern Missouri. That's accurate enough. Looks like Zerith the Alchemist is who type the next question, They want to
know what was your very first thought when you saw it? Well, like I said, at first, you know, I thought maybe a bear, Like I said, at the time, at that time around here, bears were rare. They were here but not seen very often. And uh, this thing, like I said, I first thought was a bear. But then when you start looking and you start seeing the the dog gears and the cane I in shape head and everything, you know, that's when I realized
we weren't dealing with a bear. No, you weren't. You definitely weren't having cattle on the farm, and I'm sure you had some other animals around too. Did you ever suffer any losses strange losses? Not not really, Uh, we had I haven't a neighbor. Then then just like a couple of days after the one at the farm happened, I had a neighbor. He probably lives, I would say, roughly a quarter mile from my house
where I lived. And uh, I saw him at breakfast or something a couple of days later, and he was telling me how a couple of nights ago, the night of the farm encounter, he was like, man, you know, my dogs were going crazy. He's you could hear him bark in every I mean, you go out there right now and hearing bark and I guarantee you. But uh, he just he said, man, you know my dogs, but my dogs are acting crazy the other night, you know, like I've never seen him so scared, and they were whimpering and
scared, and they wanted in the house. And he's like, I opened the door and they all come in and curled up around my feet, wouldn't leave the house till the next day. And I was like, ah, man, you know, maybe they got a whiff or something they didn't like. I don't know, you know how dogs are, Oh, yeah, that I do. Did your dog ever do that? Was he ever reluctant to go outside after that one morning? Not really? I mean, like I said, he was more of a protector kind of dog. Like I
mean, he didn't like he did not like coyotes. I mean, this dog, they start howling, they pipe up here at night, you know, and he would his ears would perk up. And if, like I said, if he wasn't inside, if outside before during the night, he would run off and he goes. I mean, this dog would fight him. I mean that's well, that's how he how he died. He got to fight with him and they finally overtook him. But he would fight these
things. He is real protective and he just he just want to be outside and prowl around and make sure nothing nothing or nobody was messing with nothing. They shouldn't be. Sounds like you had security down, Pat. I'm so sorry to hear that you lost him though. How big was he? He said he was a pet. Oh, oh golly, he was. I don't remember how much he weighed. He was he was a really muscular pit bull. I will say that he was a very muscular pit bull and he
was happy. I can tell you that. I mean, this sucker lay in bed with me every night. I thought it was just like laing next to a full size uma most nights. So he's pretty big. He must have been big. H You know, pitts can be pretty darn big that they can. Well, I've got another question for you. This one's from Joe, and Joe wants to know how scary looking are these dog men? Can you describe what they look like? Well, uh, they're they're pretty
terrifying. That's not gonna lie. They're pretty terrifying if you've never never seen anything like that. I mean, the unknown is scary as it is, but you know, you see something like that, you're you're scary. I mean you're terrified. I mean that's all there is to it. Uh. They're pretty scary and making they'll like, you know, they'll make you. They make you think. You know, what if you can see that, then what else is out here? You know? And that's how I was
and the best I can describe from my experience. Now there's different types, you know, so uh, but from my experience, it was if you see VIC logo, that's what it looked like to me. I mean that's what mine roughly look like to me. You know, same ears, yellow eyes, tails, standing on two legs. I mean, they're they're You don't want to see one if I hope nobody here ever has to see one, because it's a it's a mind, it's a it's a game changer,
and it makes you. It makes you sit and think about what could actually be out there in the woods. Yes, it does. If they can be out there, what else can be out there? It makes you wonder if there's something that is even more frightening than them. You never know. I've got another one for you from Mike Triple seven year and Mike wants to know, did you try to speak to it in the second sighting? No, No, I didn't. Uh like I said, uh uh just don't
like my dog. He just kind of he reacted to something outside. He reacted to something going on outside, and I I didn't sit and talk to it. I didn't try to talk to it. I was more shocked. I was more shocked and scared trying not to pee my pants because this thing's just as is just as closely as right by my house now, So you know, I've I didn't think to talk to it or nothing, but it
we looked at each other. It made eye contact with me and the dog for about ten or fifteen seconds, and then it just turned and walked straight to the south. So no, I didn't try to speak to it. I understand you had a lot on your mind at the time. The next one is from Philip Blair, and it's more of a general question I'm gonna take. He wants to know as a dog man ever dined on human meat. I'm pretty sure they have, but it definitely doesn't seem to be a
common occurrence. I've gone over this several times before on shows, multiple shows in the past. You're listening to someone who's literally spoken with thousands upon thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses, and the grand total of credible eye witnesses who've ever told me about being intentionally harmed by the dog men or dog men they encountered as a whopping six or a seven. That right there tells me that these guys
cannot be wired to kill you as soon as the opportunity presents itself. If they were wired that way, then there's no way I would have spoken with thousands upon thousands of people. Tons of them were caught dead to rights in very compromising situations where if the dog man wanted to dispatch them, haul them off into the woods, do whatever, no one else in the world would ever be the wiser. But instead of that happening, the dog man allowed
them to leave with that single scratch. So that tells me that, yeah, these guys cannot be wired to try and rip you apart as soon as the opportunity presents itself. Now, that doesn't preclude the chance that if you have a dog man encounter, that the one that you encounter might not try
to harm you or kill you. Because yeah, for anything that's out there, you're gonna find deviant examples, whether you're talking about pigs or camels, or horses or goats, housecats, you name it, elephants, if it has teeth and or claws or the ability to hurt you period, well if it's having a bad day. If you have a devent example, people even they are deviant people. Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy. So yeah,
it just it's so widespread. You name the critter out there, like I said, and you're going to find devent examples that will harm you or kill you if they can, so why should dogmen be any different? But that's not a common thing when it comes to looking across the big picture the numbers of dogmen out there. No, it's not something where it's not a case where every dog man is going to try and do that if you have an encounter with one. But yeah, to answer your question, Philip, unfortunately,
I think it has happened before. I wouldn't be surprised. The next question would be from Robert doc Stater, and Robert's question is when it was chasing you guys, was it on too or four legs? I the best that I can remember, Like I said, it's been a while ago, but it was. It started out on two and then when I looked out the back glass, it was on four. And then like we got to the like I said, when we passed that little homemade sign or whatever,
this thing stopped and it stood up. It was standing up when it stopped, So I think it was chasing us on four and then transitioned back to two. And from the best that I can remember, it must have really shaken you up when it went up onto two legs. Oh oh yeah, definitely. Like I said, the thing stood up and then it chased us and then it's standing there on the edge of the woods watching us leave.
So yeah, it was. We were sure. I was shook up, but I don't know about my buddy, but I was really shook up. Oh, I'm sure he was too. I bet money on that. The next question is from Daniel J. And Dan's question is did your pit bull see it when you went outside? And how did it react? Yeah, I he did see it. I'm almost positive he saw it, but he didn't he didn't like sit down or whimper. And Tucky's tail between the legs and he stood. He was standing up and like the hair, the hair
on the back of his neck. You know how the dogs get when they're really they are threatened or scared, you know, threatened or wanting to get mad, their hair stands up on the neck. I know that it was hair was standing up on his neck, and he was staring straight in the direction that it was at. And he followed it through the He followed it as it walked to the south from where it stopped, and whenever it got done looking, it walked off. He followed it and then, being curious
to all, he kind of wanted to go after it. But as I yelled at him, said, hey, he's gonna ask, you know, he turned around and went to the house, and he was on high I mean he was on high alert for the rest of the night. You know. He set he sat by the door. He's sitting there walk looking at the door most night. I'm so glad you listened to you and turned around, because I don't think it would have gone well if he would have headed into the woods. Got another one for you from Michael Ree. So Michael
wants to know, Ethan, could you tell what color it's here? Was the first encounter, not really, because like I said, you know, it was pretty. It was a it was a trying to hurry it like instinct took over, trying to get out of a bad situation, you know, like kryd of trying to get out of a bad predicament or something like that. So like I didn't really pay attention, you know, I shot
and that was it. Then I I would say, the second one had better lighting that night, and it kind of had the same colors you know, as a it looked kind of the same colors as a coyot, like the grays and the browns and everything mixed in. But that's the best. That's a the best I can tell you. It looked like I had the toleration of Akyo. That's a good description. The next one is from be kind, I try to be. Their question is did you feel a shift
in the atmosphere now? Not really like you know, I hear a lot of these stories that I've listened to, you know, and people have said, you know, that existential grid kicks in, like I'm going to die. I didn't really. I didn't really think anything was at the time. I didn't know what was going to happen. I just knew I needed to get myself out of the situation in fact, you know, to civilization or out of that area or whatever. But it never, it never never felt
awkward or strange feelings or anything like that. And then even in this second encounting no, I didn't know what was going on. My dog was just freaking out about something in the backyard for all I knew. So I as far as I knew it was a possum in the backyard or something, and walked outside, you know, and I mean I froze, I froze. I didn't feel anything in the atmosphere. But I froze when I saw it and got a little startled and scared. Sure would have been awfully nice if
it would have just been a possum back there. Yeah, a lot better than a dog man. I've got another one for you from Keith from sixteen seventy five, and Keith wants to know did the cattle react in any way, maybe showing distress? Oh, at the cattle, where were they? They were to the north, I mean, and when it came from the north, the direction it was walking, it looked like it came from the
north. But the cattle were in a backfield, and as far as I could tell, even the next morning, you know, getting up to go get them, they didn't seem if we bothered by anything. They're just that I woke them up and making them go up to this barn again. Well, that be so alternative. Thank goodness, it wasn't out there giving them a hard time. And I've got another great question for you from Anthony. You guys are asking some great questions tonight. I'm really impressed. Anthony wants
to know have you ever seen bigfoot on the property? Not any kind of signs or anything like that. I mean, I'm not real well versed or well researched on Bigfoot, so I couldn't tell you that there could be one here for all I know. I mean, there could be one here, but as far as I know of right now, as of today, you know, there, I haven't seen anything like that. Well that's good. You've got that dog man possibly hanging around. You don't need sasquatch coming around.
If they're the unfriendly type that is complicating things. Yeah, that definitely wouldn't be good, not good at all. The next question would be from truth Iris, and their question is what was the story or stories of why that area was considered to be haunted. Well, you know, so the story was years ago, and like I said, oh, the old timers, the old timers were telling us these stories when we were kids, you
know, kind of scarce us and everything. Story goes, there's a guy who went down there, I don't it, went down there to deer hunt, and supposedly he went crazy because he kept hearing voices and seeing stuff and stuff like that. And his wife hadn't heard from him in so many days, and so she called the sheriff and the conservation and I asked him to go out there and check on him. And when they got there, the campsite was abandoned, his gun was his gun was laying in the tent.
Everything. It was like he just got up and walked away, like no sign of like a struggle or anything like that. And you know, like I said, it was we thought it, and it might be true. I don't know. We didn't ever hear nothing, but you know, it was just a story that a bunch of old timers like our grandparents and great grandparents told us to scare us. I guess, just to get a rise out of us. Yeah. I hope it's not true. That wouldn't be
good at all. The next one is from baby Girl, and her question is did it get off a foul Did it give off a foul odor? Not. I didn't notice anything different smelling in the woods at the time. Like I said, you know, I've been in the woods a lot. I never smelled anything like a wit. I never smelled anything like wet dog or rotten flesh or anything like that whenever I my encounters. Now, you've already established the fact that people in your area poo pooh things like that.
If someone came forward and talked about seeing a dog man or a booger or something like that. But did you ever try to share that experience with any family members and if so, how did they respond. I don't. I didn't talk to any family members about it because, like I say, you know, uh, my dad is a My dad is a very no nonsense kind of guy when it comes to stuff like that, like ghost stories, he don't believe. He don't believe ghost you don't believe bigfoot. He don't
believe any of that stuff. My mom is a little bit more, you know, like, oh, ghosts are real and stuff like that, but you know, you don't. She's kind of like my dad. You know, Bigfoot grandparents are the same way. Bigfoot that doesn't exist. You know. It's like we were talking earlier. You know, may miss misidentified it as something else, like it could have been a bear, it could have
been this or that. It'sn't funny how so many people will believe in things that you can't touch, but when it comes to things like dog men and sasquatch, you most definitely can. No, that's crazy not buying that. Well, it's a free country. I guess you can think whatever you want. The next question for you is from Chelsea, a brotherson, and Chelsea's question is did you believe in dog man before your encounter? I did not know what a dog man was, to be honest with you. I mean,
you know, you hear the stories. I think the big popular thing at that time was the Michigan dog Man. But you know in that video that come out with it charging through the woods and everything. But I chalk that up as hopes or whatever, you know, because I mean, you know, how did they find his video in the middle of the woods in the winter in Michigan. I mean, you know, but I never I never knew what a dog man was. And it was until about a year
or so ago when I found a podcast. I still didn't know what a dog man was. I considered it or and that's what I thought it was. Yeah, had every reason to believe that, that's for sure. The next question is from Robert Dockstader, and Robert's question is were the eyes glowing? Oh? I would I would guess they were. I mean I saw the color of them, you know, I mean, yeah, I would
say they're yellow. I don't I don't remember. I don't think there was the second encounter had the yellow eyes that I can recall, but uh, the first one I did notice the yellow eyes, but we didn't have flashlight shining in his eyes or anything like that. We were just kind of, you know, like, oh my god, what is this thing that just stood up in front of us, amongst other thoughts going through your head.
So, yeah, that's understandable. And a little bit ago. Zari the Alchemist asked if you had heard about any boogers being in the area, But that question was asked about five minutes ago, so he's already answered that. He said, not that he has heard of, but I'm sure that there that's a prime area, so I'd be surprised if they weren't. And earlier on, right around the very start of the show, I saw a question or a comment from De Truth. I can't really remember exactly how he posed
it here. I'm going to scroll up here. I want to find it so I can quote him. Where is that question? It was a good comment because it was said in a jocular manner, but there's a serious answer to that question. Okay, here it is. Yeah, d Truth said, I thought Vic was gonna say cattle are more dangerous than dog men laugh out loud, Well, cattle actually are more dangerous than dog men, and
I'll tell you why. A bit ago I mentioned the fact that I've spoken with thousands upon thousands of dogmen eyewitnesses about their encounters, and the grand total of credible eyewitnesses who've ever told me about intentionally being harmed by one is a whopping six or seven. That's a paltry figure when it comes to the pool
of thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses I've spoken with. Well, the reason why I know that cattle are much more dangerous to be around than dog men is the fact that if you spoke with thousands upon thousands of people like Ethan here who have had contact with cows with cattle, and ask them, Okay, how many of you have ever been intentionally harmed by a cow or a cat told that you've interacted with, that number would be in the hundreds. It
would be in the hundreds. If you spoke with people about horses, like I said earlier, that figure also would be in the hundreds. So that does tell you it's hard to believe, as it might be. The numbers clearly show so that if you have an interaction with the dog man, the odds of you being harmed are actually a lot lower than if you interact with a cow or a horse, or a pig, or a camel or an elephant. You name the animal. So that's something to think about. The
numbers don't lie. I know that's going to have a lot of people up in arms, but the numbers don't lie. Let's look for the next question. Let me scrawl all the way back down here. The next one is from Ready Steady Retro and their question is question for Ethan, do you ever dream about dog men or about that night since it happened? Oh not,
many many years. I haven't had it now after it happened, you know, I dream about the whole thing going in my head, you know, the whole being chased by this, like I said at time, not knowing better, being chased by a wearwolf. You know that's that's not something that happens to the every every day man. You know, you don't get chased
by things like that usually. So I had a little bit of nightmares, fight dreams about it, I mean, but like I said, you know, I just try to work through it on my own and not let it get to me and just kind of as like I said, I'd be outside in dealing with it outside every day. Didn't have a choice, So I'm trying not to let it bother me. And I eventually, like I said, I have not in years, haven't had a dream or anything about one.
Well, thank goodness for that. I hope your nights of having nightmares about these guys are a thing of the past. But I'm wondering when you did have those nightmares back then, did you have nightmares about the encounters you actually had had or were they about other things, imaginary scenarios that never happened
with these guys, well some of them. For the most part, you know, it was like just it was almost like watching a movie pretty much, is how it felt like like watching a movie, whenever you just see it happening from a distance, see the thing chasing in, you know, and everything like that. And then like the one at the farm, that one. I had one really bad one about that one. And like I said, this was a minor, minor compared to what I dealt with in
the woods. But uh, the one at the farm, you know, I had dreams where you know, I do the whole thing, let the dog out and this thing come running at me, and then I'd wake up scared, sweating, painting and everything else. But for the most part, it was just like sitting back in a movie and just reliving watching the moment from a dis watching everything that happened, or for me, what happened that night. Near didn't hold a candle to that first encounter you have, but
I'm sure it was definitely bad enough. I don't doubt that at all. Be Kind has another question for you. They want to know. I'm curious, by a chance, are you are each blooded? Just trying to find a connection. I don't know. I don't have a don't have a clue. I haven't had I don't know. We're right off the top of my head. Oh that's all right. I couldn't tell you my blood type either,
So no harm, no foul at all. This might seem like a strange question to ask you, Ethan, but there's a reason behind it. At any time in your life, and there's a funny story behind this question too. I've had so many people and ask this question the answer in such a funny way. I'll get to that in just a bit. There. I'm get ahead of myself. At any time in your life. Have you ever played in any way with a Wiji board. No, I'm not that kind of guy. I don't. I'm a religious guy, you know.
I believe in God and stuff, and that's just I've never heard of a good experience with one of those. And I just feel like that's a that's just a surefire away to make sure that something bad is going to happen. And I don't want no part of them, and I avoid them. Avoid them if they are ever brought up or are around. Good idea, that's a really good idea to stay away from them. Now, back to what I was hinting at. You would not believe how many times behind the scenes
I've asked eye witnesses that very question. In return, the response I've gotten was no, No, I've never played with the Wiji board before. No. And then I go and start to see something, Well, besides the one time when I was in college, but I only played with it for fifteen minutes, so that doesn't count. And I'm thinking, what in the
world that's playing with a Wiji board. It seems like when I ask that question about I say about ninety percent of the time, maybe maybe ninety five percent of the time when I asked that question, the answer is yes. So maybe there is a connection there. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a definite connection anyway. The next question for you is from Robert Dockstader, and Robert wants to know if your buddy was still alive, what do you
think he would have thought about your second encounter. Oh, he would have hated a laughed at me. Ruther. He hit a laugh at me and told me I was dreaming or half asleep whenever I walked out the door. I mean it's like I said, he he sit there and he thought it was a bird. He thought it was a bear that chased this. Other words, I mean like I told him. You know, bears don't have dog ears, they don't have dog shaped heads, they don't growl like a
dog. So I mean all the things A point to me is a dog thing a dog thing or I didn't say to him, werewolf, but he would have. He would have laughed and joked around. Knowing you as well as he did. He had to know that you knew animals inside announce. So there's no way you're going to mistake a black beer for what you actually saw, So if you did pose that idea, shame on him. That wouldn't be right. The next question is from Mike Triple seven year, and
Mike wants to know, did you go back to look for tracks? He's talking about the asking about the second encounter. No, and it was for I didn't go look for tracks, And it was because I didn't want to look for tracks because I didn't want to know. I didn't want to know that it was. I didn't want to know it was around. I mean, and there very possibly could have been tracks there because like I said, it was freshly freshly dozed ground, so I mean it was soft and you
know anything. I mean I walked through there because like I said, we cleared it out tree and cut trees up for you know, logs and firewood and stuff, so I mean we left footprints down there all the time, so they were probably there, But I, like I said, I was not. I was not curious enough to go look because I didn't want to
know. Yeah, sometimes it's better not to know, So I don't blame you there after you had that second encounter, though, Ethan, has anything at all ever happened on your property close to your property around it that you think just might have been dogman related, not that I like, not that
I'm aware of. Like, we haven't you know, we haven't had I haven't heard of anything like cattle or because we, like I say, we're we've got a bunch of some We had a lot of neighbors around us that you know, they raised cattle too, And you've never heard any of them come up and say, well, man, I had I had several of catt you know, got mauled or anything. I never had anything like that.
Uh never, Like I said, the only thing that had happened was the neighbor that lived down the road said that night that I had the second encounter, you know, the night that he said that night his dogs were scared and whimpering and wanting in the house and stuff like that. But that was all I ever heard about. Well, thank goodness, there wasn't much in the way of activity that might have been dogging in related activity. But it's better to have to guess than to know. I've got one for you
from Chelsea a brothers. Then Chelsea wants to know, do you worry about having another encounter? Uh? I don't. I mean that thought's there you know that it could possibly happen, but you never, like, you never know what these things. I mean, like I say, I hunt religiously. I mean every year. I'm a turkey hunter. I'm a deer hunter. Not so much into coonhounds anymore. But I used to go counehunt when
I was, you know, in high school in my early twenties. And you know, I've been out of the dark tracking deer after I've shot them or something like that, and never ran into anything since then. So I hope to never have one, you know, but there is a possibility, you know, they could show back up and they could still be here for all I know, Yeah they might. I hope they're not, but it's
possible they might be sticking around. I've got another one four you from Jwayo, Carlos Fernandez, Papa Sidio and Howayo's question is, what do you believe they are animals, aliens, spirits, demons. H I for me, I believe they're a flesh and brood creature because I mean, I've never shot a ghost or an alien or a demon or anything like that. But you know, like I said, I shot this thing and I heard a bullet hit it. I heard the bullet smack and hit this thing, and that
just right there, Til told me. You know, looking back, even now, you know this thing was real, like it's like live flesh and blood creatures. It just might be right. It's so hard to know for sure what they are. All we can do is yes. This question is more of a general question from Save to Last Zombie, and that question is what is the tallest recorded or reported dog me in? The tallest reported dog me in from a credible source I've ever heard about, was eleven twelve feet.
Now, you can hear stories about fourteen, seventeen, twenty foot, fifty foot ninety foot tall dog men, but I don't buy any of that. The I think they probably top out at eleven or twelve feet could be wrong, but that's my opinion. I'm sticking to it. The next question would be from Ready Steady Retro, and their question is do you have or if you have children now or in the future, would you educate them?
Would you educate them about dog men? Well? I don't have any children right now, but uh, I mean, you know I would tell my children, if you know, I tell my kids about this and just kind of leave up to them if they want to believe it or not. You know. Uh, it's one of the things you know, you can only you can only tell somebody something somebody you know, tell something something, sell somebody something, you know, and if they take it how they want to
take it, you know. I mean, if they want to believe that, oh my gosh, dad saw a dog man or oh Dad was probably in the woods doing something you shouldn't have been doing and just had a hallucination whatever, you know. Like I say, I would tell them the story, but I would leave it up to them to decide how they wanted to deal with it. That's admirable, as you know, you're going to have kids that you know your kids better than anyone. There are kids out there
that a parent's going to know. Okay, this kid right here, I've got no business telling them anything like this. But yeah, for most kids, I think it would be a good idea to let them know fore warned is forearmed. That is above a certain age. Of course, you don't want to tell a four year old or a five year old something like that, but yeah, I think it is a good idea above a certain age to make sure they know what's really out there and not to lie to them.
So that's a good policy to have, my opinion. Looks like Keith from sixteen seventy five has another question for you. Keith wants to know while hunting, have you encountered in the animal kill sites that seemed unusual? Not not nothing out of the normal? You know, uh, Because I mean if you've ever been hunting, you know, like you you you know, cut the animal and everything and you try to do it there in the woods, you know, away from the house to keep everybody happy for not having
to smell anything. So, but you know I've seen but that's like a big like around here. That's like the big thing, like during deer season or anything like that. Coyotes that's all they do all night long. You you got a gut pile in the woods, that's where they're at. Or you know, you had a cow. You know, we've had cows die and we've got a spot on the place that we take them when they're dead, and that night you can hear the coyotes cutting up them back there eating.
So but as for unusual kill sides, no, I've never seen anything like that that I know of. Well, I'm sure you'd know if you saw one. Zarith the Alchemist is another one for you. He wants to know, ever heard of any crazy weird howls in the woods? No, uh not. You know, you'll hear coyotes every once in a while,
they'll have a different tone, tone and stuff. But like I said, I've been in the woods my whole most of my life and hunted and stuff like that, and I've never I've never heard anything strange and unusual that ain't that hasn't been out of place or anything like that. Well, hopefully that means there's not a population around on a regular basis at least. Andrew Whiteman has a question for you. Andrew wants to know whatn't telling kids about dog
men be along the same lines as warning them about sharks. I mean I would, yeah, it's but like I don't. I don't deal with sharks, so I would have to put it in some other terms like, oh, you know, but like you know, if you encounter now bear is actually populated here, like it's actually recognized here now, and you know, I'll be like, well, if you're in the woods, you see a
bear, you know, stuff like that. But uh, you know, yeah, it would be in this along the same mind, so like, hey, you know, watch out for sharks or watch out for bears or whatever. But until I have a kid, you know, I won't be able to tell you what it'd be like to tell them like at that or a shark. That probably leave me more about a short than he will about a dog man. Yeah, they probably would. I can guarantee you it'd be interesting trying to explain it to him, though that's a given. I've
got a comment. It's not a question from ded truth. He said, can you imagine what an attraction a dog man would be in a zoo? Yeah? That would pack in the visitors. Definitely would. But I'm sorry, no, you're fine. I'm just saying it would. Definitely. It would definitely open your eyes up to what they're actually, what they are, what they are, and what they can do. Like you know what they are, you will you? I mean you could see what they could do.
I guess if they were ready to. I mean, these things can do what they want, when they want, where they want. So if it didn't want to be there in that cage anymore, it could just break out of that cage and go back out to doing what it did before. Yeah, I don't think it could be very easy to keep them in captivity at all. What's about time for us to get out of here, Ethan. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to
share? I just I just want to say thank you to you, Vick for you know, getting in contact with me and talking to me and finally let me have somebody to tell this to you. That will you know what they listen and if anybody, like I said before, if anybody out there is having a hard time with one of these encounters, you know, uh, it's I mean, it's scary. I can tell you one hundred percent fact, it's scary and it'll mess with you and I know it will.
But if you know, if you're struggling with this and you don't you know, you like me, and don't have really anybody to talk to you about it, then reach out to VIC and you know, submit a report. You don't have to come on the show and do it. I wanted to come on the show to do it, you know, because if this story can help anybody, then you know, as long as if somebody got something
of this and it helps them in the long run. Then I feel like I've done something, you know, But like I say, don't don't let it eat at you. Try your bet. I know it's hard, but try your best not to let it eat at you and try to get help so you don't sacrifice the things you love all because of a bad encounter that you had and scared you. Than staying in the house, because just because you're in the house doesn't mean you're safe, just like being in the daylight
doesn't mean you're safe. That's all very well said, because you're right, yeah, being in the house, that doesn't mean you're safe at all, not by a long shot. If a dogman wants to get you and it's got access to you, in other words, you're in its area, it can get you, and that's all there is to it. But having said that, thanks again so much for coming on and sharing the details of those experiences with us, Ethan. I really appreciate it. Thank you. I'm
glad I could do it and I hopefully helps somebody. Oh I'm sure it has. I don't doubt that at all. Well, thanks against some of your time and have a great night. Okay you too. Thanks, We'll see all right. Bye. And for everyone listening, if you've had a dog mean encounter and would like to speak with me about it. Like Ethan said, you don't have to come on the show. That's never a requirement. All you would need to do is please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and
submit a report. If you do that, then I'll be more than happy to schedule conversation with you. But everyone listening, also, thanks so much for tuning into this special episode and just for supporting the show in general. Can't tell you how much I appreciate it. But having said that, thanks again so much, and have a great night.