I’m a Magnet for Scary Things! - Dogman Encounters Episode 636

the UK and in the area of North Wales. So I'm coming on tonight because a friend of mine called Athena came on the other week and we've been talking about this because I introduced her to Vic's show and I've been a follower of the show since around twenty sixteen, which was part of a coming to speak to everyone tonight and talk about my life and my experiences is part of a recent kind of twenty five year journey from an experience I had in the US in two thousand and one.

I liked that or not, it's very much interwoven. And that's why I wanted to come forward and speak, and I did wish to come forward sooner, but because of certain positions I held in life professionally and personally, I had to be very careful and consider it about my personal experiences or spiritual experiences, which a lot of people consider to be quite woo or quite far out, and that would have possibly compromised some of the things that I was doing at sort of local and national level.

So I have also reached out to other podcasts, quite well renowned ones, but I got replies but never a follow up VIC. So it's kind of serendipity that it's come round to speaking to you, because you're the person that I've really kind of followed the longest, So it's really nice to finally connect with you and be part of the history of dog Man Encounters Radio.

sort of connect so well. So when I was lying in bed in the early hours of the Saturday morning and put the podcast on, and I kind of fluffed the first part of the intro, didn't catch her name, and then she said, oh, I'm fifty I'm from North Wales. I thought, oh, wow, for somebody from North Wales. And then I realized who it was and I was like that, you cheeky cow. I was like, right, that does it. That does it. You've thrown down the gauntlet I'm getting

in touch with. So yeah, as soon as it was daylight, I sent her a text and expressing my surprise and yeah, so she very kindly said, oh, I'll reach out of it for you like that. Yeah. Yeah, So it was It was funny, but you know, it's nice to finally sort of come on and talk about the kind of yeah, this side of my of my life's experience, which is definitely, you know, the more kind of strange but interesting side

of it. And I hope that it just gives some of the listeners insights and comparisons to a lot of their experiences, both with dog men and with with susquatch, and compared to some of the things I've experienced in the UK, and obviously I'm someone that's had experiences in the UK, and then obviously I had that experien it's in the US in two thousand and one. So yeah, I think there's a commonality in the phenomenon, and I hope that's what I can convey as a conclusion for people.

In my mind anyway, and my experience.

Not that I've ever felt really in danger, but it's just an acknowledgment of because I've listened to so many episodes and found out that lot of places that I've been people in the UK have had sightings and experiences with these creatures. So it made me just sit up and take notice. Shall we say?

so I've had some really fantastic experiences. But one thing I've always been really really firm about is the fact that you cannot tell someone else they haven't experienced that thing because it's their experience. I mean, it's so arrogant to assume that you can say, well, I don't have that experience, therefore you can't have had it. And I think that that for me, because I've worked with so many people on so many different topics over the years, that for me, I now suspend all judgment or try

to because we simply don't know. And I think that's as well in other aspects. In my reason for coming forward is we don't really understand. I feel we don't really understand the world that we live in. We live in a very narrow band of perception. There is much more going on around us, and I believe that what we're seeing with a lot of these phenomenas, should we say, is trying to show us that that's exactly the way things are. We don't have all the answers, and that's

why I think people have encounters. Because people have had encounters from the most self aware people to people that are very down to earth and grounded, and that doesn't this seem to be any rhyme or reason why those encounters have happened to people. And in many cases you listen to the emotion in those people's voices when they're trying to convey what's gone on for them in a really traumatic experience that changed the course of their life forever.

So I think we just need to be more compassionate and just say, you know what. We might have ideas, we might have opinions, but there's not one of us that's really an expert. And so I don't claim to be any kind of expert. I am an experiencer, I am a therapist. I've had my own journey in the kind of wu but I've also had a very grounded

life and had an interesting journey in that path. And I don't think the modern material world is actually a very easy or safe place to navigate in general without piling on these you know, strange experiences that take us unawares.

I'm probably somebody that's been more prepared for those experiences because of my early life and my childhood and the path that my life took, which I think when I get into that people will understand that, you know, there's been a lot of neglect in my childhood, a lot of abuse, but also that of pushed me into my spiritual life. And so I'm someone that's kind of walked a path where I've just tried to have a normal life, be happy, get on like everyone else, you know, have

all the things and be a good person. It hasn't always worked out that way. And as I've got older, the challenges of my own mental health became far sharper to me. And for years I've been really resilient, and I think sometimes life just throws you a curveball and you hit that wall and you have to face up to what happened to you. So I'm not somebody that sits here and says, oh, you know, it's all about having a wonderful life. It's been very difficult, it's been

very traumatic. I ended up being diagnosed with complex PTSD in about twenty eighteen. It took me four years to get that diagnosis, and I knew what was wrong with me.

So it's quite a challenge, particularly as a man, you know, to get any help about your mental health, which is something that I've been working on and supporting other people and you know, creating projects which really supported men's mental health and tackled the sort of terrible problems of male suicide that we have in every first world nation, but particularly in the UK. So yeah, it's been a real journey.

And so if you can get an idea of who I am as a person, it's like I feel like I've got a foot in both worlds, if you like, I can take on board the kind of more spiritual and supernatural experiences, but I also have been a very

grounded and I'm a very grounded and practical person. I think that's probably what's allowed me to integrate those sides of myself, because I've always managed to keep it real, and when it's got too weird, I have just kind of, you know, walked away, put the whole thing down for a while, you know, can't out down something. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to go for a pint down the pub. I'm just going to go for a walk and forget

about that. Just do something practical, because sometimes the mysterious side of things can get so weird. It gets so weird and so intangible that you drive yourself mad. It's like, you know, you know, like they say, oh, you know, you don't get the answer, doesn't become more clear, you just end up with more questions. So I think that's what a lot of people are finding in, particularly in

this field. There's people that think they have a definitive answer, but then something else happens and you know, no, that wasn't the definitive answer. It's like it opens up a whole other world of questions. So for me, I think some of the things I want to share tonight are because there's things which I having listened to so many people's experiences that now for me it's like there's a connecting thread in between some of my experiences might help

to fill those gaps with people. And if that's what I can do and it helps someone to integrate their experience or puts it into perspective for them, then job Dunvic. That's why I'm here.

called Mountain Ranch. And this is what really as it was coming round to the twentieth anniversary, I guess of that experience, trying to work out what exactly I had encountered became a valuable little journey of investigation, which led me to listen to dogman Encounters because the thing that I encountered, I wasn't sure whether it was a sasquatch, but the impression that I got was that this thing was canine. And at the time, and I'll get into more detail in it shortly, but at the time I

couldn't understand what on earth I was picking up. Now I'll say picking up. What am I talking about? Well, I'm quite a sensitive I've got really good spider senses, if you like that. More than often not do turn out to be very very accurate. They don't always save me from everything in life, but I always get some kind of intuition or feeling about things. So yeah, it was a person, a kind of spiritual teacher, a man called Kem Paige, who I've been working with since nineteen

ninety five. I began really that part of my spiritual journey. I'd worked with different spiritual teachers, but really because I'd had my own spiritual awakening, and everyone that I went on courses with just began to really sharpen and hone those experiences and those gifts and abilities. And so I went at the age of twenty four, just before my twenty fifth birthday, and because of my childhood, the trauma of my kind of upbringing, and the way that he had left me, feeling I never I was going to

live past the age of twenty five. I had a really strong feeling that I was going to die before I was twenty five because my life had been pretty rough and it just seemed that that got into my head. So I went on this course in Austin, Texas, and at that time, as usual, I was usually one of the youngest people there because I was only in my early twenties. And working with Ken was fantastic because we had a really, really great connection and he taught me

about being an EmPATH. Now, I know there's a lot of people that say, oh, yeah, I'm an EmPATH, I'm an EmPATH, they're an EmPATH. Well, for me, it's not a label, it's something which I am a living, breathing example, of as I've grown older. It was something which really really troubled me in younger life. But when I worked with Ken out there in the US in ninety five, it began to show me just how powerful that gift

can be. Not only that, but it enabled me to differentiate with it and to be able to shut it down and switch it on to the point where now I can go into a crowded environment, although I find them still a little bit overwhelming, but I can shut that noise out otherwise it'll be overwhelming and really really difficult to handle. When I'm in a therapeutic setting, or I can focus on a single person to connect with, then I can pick up certain impressions or feelings or

insights over thousands of miles. And there's people that I've gone on to recently in the last couple of years, I've gone into spaces on X on Twitter, We've been in some really great kind of encounter groups, experience the groups, and I've tuned into people over thousands of miles away and picked up exactly what's been going on with them on some level, be that physical, emotional, mental, or even sort of subconsciously, you know, an energy pattern around them.

So that gift is something which I've used. I've used it therapeutically for years, but I've never really settled down and gone, this is the one thing that I do. There are people out there, some people call them medical intuitives. There's quite a few well renowned people that do exactly the sort of thing that I can do. So I kind of have often shelved that side of myself in life and just got on with what I needed to do what was in front of me, working jobs, keeping

a house, you know, living a life. So yeah, what led me then was from nineteen ninety five life moved on and I bought a house, settled into a job, regular job, and then the advert came round from Ken that we were going to have a teacher training running in his new home in Mountain Ranch in California in April of two thousand and one. So I bought my house in the kind of August of that year, renovated it, moved into it in December, got my first credit card.

So when the when the when the news came around that Ken was running his teacher training, and I was like, I've got a credit card, I'm booking a flight. I'm going because I felt like that the people that do the work, and I felt that I was more like part of the work. I would yeah, struggle to probably define what I mean by that, but for me, it was something which literally was part of my DNA. So

it's a very advanced hypno therapeutic technique. So it involves exploring things like your deep subconscious mind, energy patterns, neural pathways. It can be path lives, parallel lives, we can use it, suity text illnesses and what their route causes. And it's a very very I mean, it's almost like wow, talk about a reality change, a game changer in terms of and I still don't think it has much of a parallel even to this day in terms of the power

of that therapeutic medium. And it was called multi dimensional cellular healing, so it was about working with the cellular intelligence of your whole body, which is connected to your subconscious mind, which is part of our deeper consciousness. And so that's a really kind of really woo area, if you like. But it's fascinating when you tap into it and see the power of the subconscious mind or what

it can do. So what went on was, yep, it was two thousand and one, the teacher training was advertised, so I jumped on a plane and got out to Mountain Ranch, California. Had a great time on the April training. Metal load of people, great people. Where they are. Their property that they had at the time was right out in the mountains. It was in the middle of a forest,

built up on the side of a hill. About four hours I think it's about four hours inland from San Francisco, so you know, it's a journey to get there, but a beautiful, beautiful area old gold Rush country, as I recall. So the and I've met some really fantastic people, but I'm still friends with to this day, and a few of us that really connected. We would go outside and hang out, you know, at night talking. We made a little there was a little dell next to the house.

We built a little fire pit there and so we'd sit around and you know, stories, talk about life, explore the kind of mysteries. We also just enjoying the ambience of being in that beautiful area with nothing and nobody

really around. So after that training, I had some really really powerful experiences there and then came home, gone on with my everyday life, and then obviously the world had the very very sad and traumatic experience of nine to eleven in the September, and one of the people that i'd met on the course was a girl called April, who was about twenty one at the time. We became really good friends, and she came out to visit me

and my partner in the UK. I put her on a plane on that morning, went back to my job. She was flying into or meant to fly into Philadelphia, I think, And I got a phone call from my girlfriend at the time saying, nath have you heard from April? And I'm sat at a desk in a job center and I said, well, no, why, she's still in the air. So I'm considered put her on a plane this morning. She said, oh, someone's attacked the twin towers. They've flown a plane and flat planes have hit the twin towers

in New York. So I didn't know what to do because I'm sat there, you know, I've got a schedule of clients to see that day. But on my lunch hour I went out in the car and just drove where I was at the time. I could drive to the estuary of the sea and very very strange sort

of experience. It took me obviously. I went home that night watched all the footage on the TV, all of the people dying and building swalling and all that chaos, and I had no idea whether my friend was alive or dead, and it really brought it home to me. But then I finally heard from her, probably about five days later, and she had actually been diverted out of

the air to somewhere in Canada. She ended up, i think in the end, saying with these Canadian families for about two weeks before she could get home back to Philly. So yeah. Then Ken put the word round that he was running another training in November of two thousand and one, and so I said, okay, great, I'm going to come out again, support the training, meet new people. I'm one of the trainers now, so I'm going to be kind

of participating but also on staff. And the modality would then he changed the name to Heart and Soul Healing. So obviously that trip to back to the US was very very different, because in the wake of nine to eleven, the US became a very very different place. I think the nation he were still very much hurting from it all. The shock, the trauma, and so you know, everyone was far more on edge. There was a lot more people

around with weapons and obviously everyone flying the flag. So it wasn't as you know, pleasant a place as it had been in the earlier part of the year. The energy had changed quite a bit, and where they were in California, they'd had I think some wildfires that had really affected the landscape. They'd affected the water table turned I remember Ken's water actually the water supplying the well turning, you know, kind of yellow. And so there's been a lot of drought and then fire, so that the whole

ecosystem was affected. But anyway, we sort of got there. April line met up, We got a hive car in San Francisco, drove out into the mountains and Kenneth sent a message to say when you come, don't drive up the main drive. We've just had it retarmacked resurfaced, so if you can park up somewhere and then come up and we'll let you through one of the other gates.

So middle of the night, gets out to mountain ranch, finds their property, go past the gate to their drive, the gates shut and next to it, literally directly next to it. There was a little pull off. It looked like another little road going kind of off to the left up the hill. So barrenly in mind, you're surrounded by great, big, tall pine trees. There's nothing. I mean, the occasional lights you see from houses were very few and far between. Ken's property was illuminated. So we parked

the car. The high car, walked up by the drive, went in, said hi, you know, had to chat to catch up, sat down, had a drink, and after about kind of ten minutes or so, I said, right, I'm going to go and you know, bring the car up and get the bags so on the back down and you know, I'm not really paying attention because I'm still

kind of buzzing a bit jet lagged. You know, it's late in the evening, so I kind of strung out, put in a good space, got to the bottom of the hill down by the drive, turned left to go and see where the car was. That the car was gone. So yeah, like I've been traveling for nearly twenty four hours at this point, I'm so fired and strung out. So I don't know whether to be you know, completely enraged or just you know, laugh about it, or a mixture of both, because my bags and passport, everything's in

the car. I mean, who is going to steal that car in the middle of nowhere? So I got back into the house and then there was a you know, a kind of a where's my car? You know, who on earth has taken the car? What is going on in this crazy place? So it Yeah, after a couple of phone calls, it turned out that the neighbor had kindly had it towed for us. So anyway, there was a few head in hands moments. It was like, okay, well, what have we got to do to just get this done?

So we finally got taken into the middle of nowhere, middle of the night, paid the fine, got the car back, drove it back all the way, and then this time we were allowed to take it up the drive. So I took it up the drive. I've been up quite a steep little slope, probably about less than one hundred yards, and then it opened out into a round area which like a like a pull round I guess where you could come up and go round in front of the

house and come back down. So I had like a sort of a you know, circular area at the top of the drive, and this was quite a steep slope, so and as you drove up to the top of the property would be on your right hand side and kind of going from right to left in front of you. And yeah, so I parked the car up on the on the kind of corner there, just sort of turned it right at the top of the drive and then went back in the house and we kind of, you know,

could laugh about it a bit then, I suppose. So I said, okay, ll I'm going to go and get the bags this time. And I went outside, went round to the trunk of the car, put the key and popped the trunk, got my bag out to put my back down on the ground, and shut the trunk. All the hair stood up on the back of my neck and something was clearly near me. And then what I picked up was this thing. Whatever it was, just felt

like it was quite a large thing. Shifted its position or it breathed, it did something like a shuffle like a and yeah, you go into that instant fight or flight, and something in my mind just said, don't run, just walk. And so to give you an idea of where this was, probably within a car's length of where the drive came up to meet the kind of pull in area the pull round. Because of the drive was built up on

a bank and so was the pull round. It kind of made this little ninety degree angle where the two banks kind of met at ninety degrees, which made quite a little dip. And there were a few good sized fir trees in there, so it made that area quite camouflaged. But that thing was within a car's length of me when I felt it and when I heard it, so I had no idea what it was, but I did the kind of, you know, very swift and purposeful walk towards that front door, got in, shut the door, and

I was like, WHOA, what was that? Now? Bearing in mind I live in the UK, I've been used to going up and down the hills and around the woods at night. I'm not really fazed by much because there's nothing, well, I didn't think there was much in the UK to ever really be wary of. Yeah, we've got rid of most of our large creatures and predator and and many many centuries ago, so there's really shouldn't be anything around.

So when you pick up something and you are in technically a foreign country, then it becomes a questionable what was that? But it was clearly something and all I could say was it was it felt large, and it also felt quite sentient because it the way that it made that noise that were kind of like tough noise. It was almost like it was just shifting its posture a little bit and wasn't that interested in Well, it

had me dead to rights. If it was a really serious predator, it would have had me right there and then, but it didn't. So you got in the house kind of put it out of my mind and just thought, maybe you're just being a bit, you know, a bit paranoid, or you're a bit you're a bit strung out still and you need to just sleep. So yeah, we had a few other people who there in the house sort of coming on the course with us, and so I ended up sleeping on the lounge floor on a camp

bed that night. And then, you know, the property was kind of a little bit illuminated outside as I remember,

so it wasn't that cold. And one of the windows, Now, obviously you have mesh screens on everything in the US, and so the screen was across the window by the front door, but I think the window itself was open, and I just woke up because I was lying behind the sofa on this camp bed, and I just woke up with this overwhelming concern of a feeling that this thing was going to jump through the mesh, almost like

I could feel it poised to jump. And every fiber of my being was like, it's coming through the window. Whatever it is is coming through the window like a you know, was it a mountain line or something or something big on all fours, It's going to come through the window. So I got out of the bed, kept myself really low to the ground, kind of trying to duck under the window ledge come up and actually, like you know, shut the window and locked it and put

the screen back and anyway, went back to bed. And so then the course went on for about five days. We had a lot of other people there milling around. It was a bit strange, and I just kept picking up this presence. And I remember halfway through the week going and talking to Ken. We were in the kitchen and his wife was there, and I was saying, you know, I know I can tell you stuff like this because you used to all the kind of like weird and weird stuff. But I still I swear we're being stalked.

Something is out there. I can feel it. There's something stalking this group. It's drawn to us somehow. And Ken was like, what do you think it is? And I said, well, look, I get I don't know, but I said, what have you got around here? Because it feels like to me. I said, no, it's going to sound strange, but it feels like it is canine. And I said, like a big canine creature. But you know, I can't be sure.

So that point is whif sort of said to me, Oh, it was funny you should say that, because only a few days ago the neighbor from down the hill here in front of us. The neighbor called us and said, you need to be aware that there is a great, big black feral dog roaming round. We've seen it. It's come through our property. It was heading towards your property kind of thing. So she said, well, maybe that's what

you're picking up. I said, well, yeah, it could be, I said, but you know, I'm just very aware of it. So yeah. The course went on. We did a couple of things, like went out and did a sweat lodge down in the neighboring town, and then kind of came back and then yeah, the course wasn't really as much fun as the last one. There was a few discordant personalities on it and it made it a bit more, you know, a bit less enjoyable than the first time round, but you know, just got on with it and so on.

One of the sort of last nights, Oh yeah, that was got to the point where Ken was like, yeah, we've got too many people in the house. Do you want to go out, you know, so we can make some space, you know, would you be happy because you're one of the guys, would you be happy to go out and sleep in the back of this guy, Mike, one of the guys was there, great guy, and would you be happy to go and sleep out in the back of Mike's truck? And I was like, well, not

unless you're going to give me a gun. I was like, yeah, you get in. I told you there's something out there. We're being stalked. I was like, you can't just put me out there like I'm a piece of prey, like a piece of bait. I was like, can you please

take it seriously? So anyway, I didn't, you know, I wasn't made to go and sleep out in the truck, but like a day later or two days later, myself in April went out, sat down, had a little campfire going out in the dell, and so you came out of the front door of the property, you'd go literally to the right, there's like a white beam fence and a gap in the fence where you come through like the gate round to the right into the dell. It was, yeah, obviously not that late at night, but it was still

pitch black because it's obviously winter. We had the fire ache there and a great big flash flight. So we're in there for probably an hour, chatting away, just hanging out. And then in the woodline, the woodline which was kind of directly ahead from us, probably i'd say no more than a one hundred and fifty feet up the most, if I'm trying to guess, to make as memory serves, there's a load of kind of commotion, and directly in front of us, a great, big white tailed deer appears, turns,

comes running out of the woodline. I don't know whether it saw us, probably saw us. It turns literally night degrees to its left straight away, runs straight down the woodline, running parallel to the woodline, but more obviously in the open, and then it's followed by four others in swift succession. And you know, they're big animals, you know, So like I say, when we see a deer in the UK, it's a bit of a surprise because they're so rare here, and obviously they're much more like a you know, a

pet animal. If you see one, obviously one in the world, it's quite an enigma. So I was like, oh, wow, you know, big deer. And then something else came forward, and by this time I grabbed the flashlight and I was holding the flashlight onto the the kind of game trail bit in the in the wood life, I suppose where they were coming through. And then what appeared was a pair of large forward facing eyes, and so April said, oh, what is that Is that another deer And I just

immediately said, no, it's got forward facing eyes. That's a predator. And she said, oh, I said, whatever that is that was chasing the deer anyway. I mean, we had a big campfire going. I've got a big flashlight full on this thing's face. It just stopped just inside the woodline. At the distance it was, I would estimate that its eyes which were like large. They did give off a kind of greeny yellow eyeshine and it blinked, but it didn't flee. It stood its ground and just stayed there,

fixated on us. And what it reminded me of was, you know when you see a wall for a big predator when they kind of like hunkered down and they lower their head and really focus on their prey before they lunge. It looked or felt exactly like that. Now, this flashlight was a very powerful flashlight, but it could not pick up or illuminate this thing's features. It was like it was blacker than black, almost like it absorbed the light, and all you saw were these massive eyes.

So I've always said that the head on this thing must have been the size of a big male Bengal tiger or bigger, really big, because of the how far the eyes were apart, probably about the you know, almost like the spam of my hand if I open up my thumb and my forefingers, you know, almost probably I don't know, five or six inches apart. It's a big head on whatever it was. And I just didn't think you had anything in the US that large. I don't

think mountain lions get anything like that large. Plus I didn't think it would stay and kind of have a Mexican stand off with us, So I didn't waste any time, and I said to April, right hold the flashlight, keep it on its face. I'm going to grab the fire ache. We're gonna have to get in the house. And so in those kind of moments you just sort of for me, I just shut down into what's kind of practical on

what you just need to do to survive. This thing just just watched us intently, and we had to go forward a little bit towards it diagonally to get round this fence, this white fence, to get into the house. So we had to kind of come forward about sort of twenty feet before we could run back towards the house. So we didn't turn our backs on it, kept facing it and I said, keep that light right in its face. So we managed to get back into the house. And you know that it was a bit like, well, what

was that? Sorry? Big? But yeah, it really was like what on earth was that? What could it be? But it felt like that it was coming towards the end of the course, and it finally showed itself and just menaced us but didn't try and attack us. Yeah, very very strange. So and then obviously I came back. Well, we started heading back, we went off traveling to Santa

Cruz and then a message. Ken and his wife had bought a couple of baby goats, and after the course had finished, they went out and got these baby goats and they kind of took them back to the house and where they had some you know, sort of like a in the kind of backyard area. I can't remember if they had horses or I think they might have

had some stables area. Anyway, they tied these these baby goats these kids up outside and so, you know, less than a week later, a few days later, we got a message through by email because there wasn't any incident at that time, saying that the baby goats had been shredded. Literally they came out one morning and the goats were just shredded, like torn to pieces. And then the kind of question began, you know, almost like a witch hunt

of whose negative energy created this happening. And one of the guys that have been on the course was an ex cop and he was like, yeah, hang on, what about this big black dog thing that was going around and I was like, I told you there was a predator going round. It's like, no, this was something else. We were being stalked. You put live food in temptation in its way, and it basically shredded your goats, you know.

So yeah, it was a bit. Anyway, it just created a big rift in the kind of group in the community, and I think people were sort of like pointing fingers and saying, oh, this person said this and that person said that. So anyway, it sort of created a big sort of aftermath. But I just went home and kind of got on with life. But the memory of that never left me, and so I began to, like I say, as a twentieth anniversary was approaching, I began to sort of think about, well, what was that was I had

I had an encounter with a sas squatch? Or was what was this thing about it being a canine? Now there wasn't really any Internet at the time, like I said, so we had never had the chance to sort of research and get into any depth in it. And the whole dog man phenomenon had never been on my radar or I don't think many other people's radar. So that's when I saw a couple of I think there was some spoof YouTube videos about the dog man, and that's

where it kind of led me. And eventually I, you know, found Vic's podcast and began listening to the episodes, and it finally sort of made sense that we although there have been reports of sasquatch in Mountain Ranch, California over the years, that what I had encountered I'm sure was a dog man. And so obviously the more I've listened to the encounters, the more it's kind of brought back other memories from my own life, right from early childhood.

So I begun to see that there is a pattern with these things that I have encountered them for a long time in my life. That encounter in the US was a very physical and real one that was a real creature wherever it was, it clearly had intelligence and it had real presence. So other times I've had the encounters have been very different. And I was explaining this to Vic when we first spoke, that the earliest memory I have from my childhood and I still see it

vividly now in my mind. So I because it was so long ago, I can't tell you whether this is a dream or where this is a real memory, but it's absolutely clear. And where I was born in England in the UK back in nineteen seventy was a little town called Holebridge, and that is in Essex, in the County of Essex, and it's on a river called the

River Crouch. One of the early episodes I remember listening to somewhere along my journey with investigating this, and I think it may have been on one of the early episodes of Vic's podcast was somebody from the UK reporting an experience of being chased across a bridge over the River Crouch by some kind of werewolf creature. Now that made me go oh, Now Holebridge was on the River Crouch. So the ex which I think was it a dream or is it a memory? Well maybe these things are connected.

So where the house was was on a bit of low lying flat land right at the bottom of the little town and it's a really tiny town, like a one road town down to the river. But where we were was on the lower part than the town. Kind of the road went up a little hill and then straight and then it obviously ended in the River Crouch. So we're right at the start, not far from the main road. There's a little supermarket on the corner of

the road. As you kind of come you turn left, go up the road and take your eventually to the river. But on the left was a little supermarket back in the seventies. And then the house I was born in was the next property with an adjoining wall into the car park of the supermarket. So the house I was born in had a relatively long garden, probably about one hundred feet long or so, big willow trees at the end of it, but dividing it from the neighboring property

was a huge hawthorn hedge. It was extremely dark, very thick, very dense, obviously very thorny. It was probably about fifteen feet high, at least ten maybe fifteen feet high, really big hedge, ancient hedge. So the memory is I've come out of the back door onto the patio which had steps down into the garden. I'm only very little, I'm about two, but I'm walking and i can see myself clearly, my little body, my little face. I can see I'm wearing a nappy or you know, little pants, bare legs,

and I've gone down the garden. Now it's very early morning, it's a very misty morning, so it's still sort of not semi darkness, but that's time before dawn. And I've walked down the middle of the garden and I've looked to my right and turned to my right, and there's

the Hawthorne Hedge towering above me. And in the midst on top of this hedge, there are a collection of figures of creatures, all fur covered, all very supernatural looking, ranging seven to eight feet high, some with tails, some with not tails, but they all have long snouts of

different description. They don't look particularly wolf like, but they are all very much along that line, large hair covered creatures with long muzzles with teeth, fearsome looking things to behold in the mist, but they are almost appearing supernatural, because how could something so heavy stand or sit on that Hawthorne hedge without crushing it entirely. So I wasn't afraid. I remember just looking up and they just acknowledged me.

And I say, that's the strangest part of it, that they were there to simply acknowledge my being, that acknowledged me coming into incarnation, if you like that. I was there and I was sentient aware and could walk, but there was about I would say there was about seven of them at the most, it might have been five. It's hard to remember because it is a very strange impression, but that is what I have left, and that's my

earliest earliest memory back from childhood. So it was only when I began to connect with Vick's show that I began to sort of put some of this stuff together and say, well, there seems to be a strange theme. What are these things? These are clearly supernatural beings that I saw. But then I have obviously had a physical encounter, so so that would have been around nineteen seventy two.

Then there's another memory where it kind of broke the dream of it, when I might went on a family holiday my NaN's side of the family, my mum's mum. They were from Wales, so we used to try and get back for a Welsh holiday into South Wales when we lived in Essex, and this would have been around nineteen seventy three. So we went off with Nan and Grandad,

traveled all the way across land. It's quite a way from the east right into the west of South Wales, and there was a point in the journey it was late at night and we seem to have stopped at al pub and it seemed to be in the middle of nowhere. So me being a little kid, I've probably got bored. It's you know, adults sat around having a

drink after they're having a break from the driving. And so Nan offers to take me outside, and so I remember going out of the door with her, and then we kind of so this pub was on a little road. I have no idea where this place was, I couldn't tell you, but we sort of turned to the right and it seemed that that, you know, the the one kind of remaining light on the road, or the lights outside the pub. It faded into darkness, and there seemed to be a farm yard next to this pub. So

you came out the pub, turned right the farm. He oldould have been along that side, at least there was a gate. And so I had this memory years ago, and all I remember was Nan was taking me down there. Then we saw a bunch of orange eyes, and the next thing, my nana's panicked and she's grabbed me. She ran, she fell over, really cut her arm and her knee, and she's got me inside the publem there's a huge panic.

Now for years I mean, my nan grew up in you know, the early part of the century, and they had a lot of rats in the old houses that used to live in. So as a kid, she was terrified because the rats used to be inside the walls and she had a massive fear of rats. And so what she said was she had seen these orange eyes and she thought it was a rat migration. So for many many years I just kept that memory as well,

that's what it. Maybe it was rats. Never thought about it until you start to realize about the kind of common thread amongst the experiences with dog men of orange eyes. And when I remember, and I've sat down and kind of meditated and go back into that memory, well, what I remember was not seeing a sea of rats on the floor with a multitude of eye shine. I remember distinctly seeing about five or six sets of amber eyes

open in that gateway in the darkness. These eyes appeared, and they weren't on the ground, and they weren't timely like rat size. They were big. They were all probably about five or six feet off the ground. There was a couple of larger ones, and then there was a couple of smaller ones. So I remember larger ones were on the sort of left hand side and the smaller ones kind of going down to the right. But about five six sets of eyes opened and that's when my

Nan screamed and panicked and ran. So I think what we had was an encounter in South Wales in the early seventies, and to me it's made sense now that well, no, that was probably more a hunting pack of dog men and that's why Nan ran, but she couldn't process what they would be and obviously it's taken me decade to figure this out. So that happened a few years later, no more than sort of nineteen seventy five, my mum and dad split up. There was a very messy breakup,

very traumatizing for me. I ended up living with my

nan and granddad for a while. My mum then sat up home with my now ex stepfather and I was kind of six, I think, before I went to live with them, and then one year into the relationship, we went to It was Halloween and my stepfather's kind of troubled alcoholic older brother, Andy's wife had moved to this place in Harriage, which is a town on the kind of east coast of the UK in Suffolk County of Suffolk, and it was Halloween, so we drove up there and

this house was on a kind of development where this was probably one of the last properties on this plot of land, and it was on a bit of a hill. It looked over this kind of waste ground going down, I suppose, over the other developments into the town, so it was sort of at the top of a hill and kind of out there wasn't it wasn't surrounded by lots of other properties. There was probably a couple of

other properties where this development just sort of finished. So there was a little sort of seven year old kid. I'm there and it's all adult stuff, you know, adults getting drunk, and I was misbehaving, picking up on all

the weird stuff going on. And then my mother, who yeah, definitely was a very odd individual, decided it be great if we did a weiji aboard, which everyone was like, oh, okay, yeah, great, you know, and I thought, oh no, don't do that, and you know, you're like a seven year old kid,

and you think that's terrifying. So they got bits of paper out, wrote in all the alphabet you know, all the sort of yes no things, got a glass and all sat around the kind of like pine dining room table up against the wall, and just I had to sit there with him. I had nowhere else to go, some kind of like sat in one corner. Well, these four adults get their hands on the glass. Then they

start asking it questions led by my mother. I look back on it now and you just think, what on earth were you thinking subjecting a little child to a wiji aboard? And I think, if that gives you any eye, what kind of person that she was probably still is. It's why I have nothing to do with her anymore in my life, because that's a really frightening, terrifying thing, and to do without any consideration of a kid, It's like, yeah, you've got to have some screws loose in there somewhere.

So anyway, this is when I first became aware of my ability to sense things because as they're doing this weage board, I'm sitting there in kind of, you know, not abject terror, but I'm pretty scared, and I kind of closed my eyes and I'm wanting it to be over well, as I what was really scaring me was the fact that as they're doing the wage board and it's Halloween night, I can feel this horde, this sea of entities, discorporate spirits, all kind of horrible things, ghosts,

whatever you want to call them, astrol entities literally being drawn like moths to a flame, to this wigiaboard. And it terrified me because I could feel them all around, coming closer and gathering around this wigia board going on. So as it progress, and I'm getting more and more kind of like looking, you know, either way around me thinking, oh, they're coming through the windows, coming through the doors. We

are literally surrounded by a sea of them. They're all they're watching being drawn to it and anyway, so they're going anyway this So the glass began to spin around the table like and it gets heavier and heavier to the point where it's starting to go. It's actually been beginning to scratch the varnish on the surface of this table, and all four of these adults are lurching things going around, and it got it grew to this literally this crescendo, and I couldn't bear it any longer, and in my

mind I just yelled stop. And this glass it was like somebody had smacked it with a fist. It literally stopped like it had been bolted to the table, their hands all flung off it, and then it kind of like the energy bursts and my little mind just went, oh, I can change it, I can affect it. So it's a very strange but very kind of adult comprehension of something for a seven year old, so particilarly on that kind of level, and it seemed to disperse all of

the entities. It seemed to shift the whole thing. But I think it shocked they didn't try and attempt to do it again. That was it that they were like, aha, yeah, okay, you know, well that was a bit scary, wasn't it. Let's put it all away. So yeah, a very very strange, strange experience. So from there on end, I would go and see my dad every sort of three weeks to a month. Back in their six dad was really into

his movies. He was one of those people at Love's Gadgets, so he had the first kind of VCR and we used to go to the video shop. Now, American Werewolf in London came out in nineteen eighty one. Sorry, I remember watching that age eleven. I still think it's an amazing film, pretty terrifying. Yeah, never want to catch myself on the moors at night. Although I went on to do that in adult life now I wouldn't do it.

But also at that time, my dad's half sister, my aunt Denise, had married a tech sergeant in the USAF and so she got back in touch with my mum. They were always quite good mates, and turns out they were living in Suffolk on Woodbridge Air Base, which is in Randalsham Forest, as people might know who are into that subject. So there's a whole other experience that I

had around Randalsham Forest in nineteen eighty one. But in nineteen eighty two, so I met my American cousins Eric and Tom and her husband Dean, and I got to tour the Woodbridge base as it was a USAF base with the A Tens station there, and went to the open days and you got to do trick or treat for the first time in my life in nineteen eighty one for Halloween. The following year we ended up traveling. My stepdad worked for an American company CICAA. I think

they combined insurance of something of America. But they had a big event on and everyone was invited over. We ended up going to Florida, traveling around, and then Denise and Dean had moved back to Edwards's Air Force Space, so they'd arrange for us to go over and say the second part of the holiday. My little brother, a

half brother, had been born in nineteen eighty one. He stayed with my nan and so it was myself, my mum, and my stepdad that traveled out there because he was only a baby in arms, he was too young to

kind of travel. So yeah, I had a very interesting experience over in Edward's Air Force Space and traveling around all of the sites there in the Harvey Desert, going off into Nevada, and so yeah, there's missing time from somewhere in the middle of Nevada that's never quite ever been recovered no matter what I've done, but who knows.

But what I remember seeing out there was the first time I watched the howling, and how terrifying that was always and the enduring memory of the scene where the person tries to hide in the woodpile and the werewolf's arm kind of comes after them. I can still see it now vividly in my mind. So yeah, coming back into the UK, and there's been some sort of interesting experiences. I've gone and joined the air Cadets. I've met my lifelong friends Rich and Lance, the twins that I've known

for years. You know, we sort of get to hang out. And then there was an encounter one night in probably nineteen eighty four to eighty five. School disco, well not school disco now is disco a young person's disco, like a youth you know, disco organized in a town. It's probably about ten miles away from the little village that I ended up living in, and I got let down by my lift, but a couple of the ads that I knew said, oh, don't worry, you can get a

lift back with us. And they were in a So the small village that I lived in was a village called a Little wolding Field, and there was a neighboring village called Great wolding Field, which had its church nearly in the boundaries of a Little wolding Field. The town that the guys were going to was a place called Labanon. It's a really really old town in Suffolk. So they said, well, we'll drop you off on the way, and I thought, great,

you know, I'm going to walk back. It's full moon and I've kind of you know, got my dancing shoes on. It's sixty eighties were all into you know, the baggy chinos and the kind of pastoral colored shirts. And so anyway, there's two ways to get to Labanon. You can kind of follow the main main road or you could go through the little woldingfield. So the taxi they were in drives up and then says, oh, yeah, well, okay, we'll

drop you here now. And I was like, oh, you're not going through my village and they were like no, no, We're we're going straight up here. And it suddenly maybe go oh no, because it's about a mile and a half back to the village from that junction. So picture it. It's like the archetypal horror film setting. You step out of the taxi, your friends like buy zoom, off they go the roads in front of you. Now, Suffolk is quite flat. Generally it's all corn fields. Yeah, so it's

great full Moon over to my right. Across the fields there is the medieval church of Great wilding Field, and there is a good mile and a half of road between where I've stood and my house. So I start kind of, you know, okay, off we're going. Let's just get this done. Start walking, Probably about a couple of hundred yards on the left, there was a house of a guy I knew from years. I always with one of my younger friends, and he lived there with his mom.

Maybything was quite dark, so I walked past that house is set off the road, and there was always this little piece as the road went ahead, it went up a little bank, like a little rise, not very much, bent round, and then kind of went straight again either side. Now it was I think it was like a culvert over what would have been a brook, a little stream of some kind. But it had really dense and always had had dense, really dense kind of hawthorn, thickets and

trees all around it. It was always a patch of ground I never liked crossing, and I was always wary of it. So obviously that's the kind of in my mind that, oh, I've got to go past that piece

of ground. Anyway, as I'm walking on the last bit of road that's bordered by the cornfields, I'm looking across to the old church across this cornfields as like a heads, like a little bank, then like a cornfield, and the dividing hedgerow in that field, there was a very small tree and it had a kind of interesting sort of

little dome shape. I think it might have been a young oak tree or something like that, but it was no, No, it was probably less than ten feet tall, wasn't very big, and for some reason I just got fixated on it, and I remember looking across at it, and I'm like, well, I'm staring at this tree. And as I looked at it, it was suddenly violently shaken, like somebody had got hold of it and just gone and shook it. Saw the

leaves are rustling, and it's shaken like mad. Now it's a big enough tree that you'd have had to have been a pretty strong guy to shake it like that. And there was no animal that's going to be shaking a tree of that size so hard. There's nothing out there. I can't understand why there would be anybody out there anyway that was waiting for me to walk past, and then you know, saw me across the field and decided

to shake it just to terrorize me. So I never saw what did that, and I can tell you now that I didn't hang around to find out what did that. I ran for my life as fast as I could up the road past all the dark thicket, up the little hill and I'm on the kind of like flat straight where there's a bit of a you know, a footpath. So I'm running along the footpath and it's open Cornfield's probably a good three quarters a half a mile of open ground where you've got no cover and no protection whatsoever,

no houses. So I could see the village ahead of me, and it was literally like, you know, full tilt, head back, arms pumping by my sides, heart bursting out of my chest because I'm thinking, any minute now, it's going to get me. Any minute now, it's going to get me. And I ran and ran and ran, and obviously I'm in slippy going out shoes. Saw these things are racing through my mind and I could just feel that it was flanking me on the right behind me, but nothing

got me. I you know, ran and jumped over the little garden fence, ran and literally done panicking trying to get in the house. And yeah, so you know, then I get shouted out for waking everybody up. But I never told them what went on because at that point the relationship with my mum and stepdad had really sort of broken down. So it was like everything I did was wrong, Everything I did was bad, my fault, So you know, what's the point. But yeah, So within a

year they'd moved. My stepfather got a promotion. They'd moved up to bought a house in Shropshire, and he'd got a promotion to the head officing crew for this company. I stayed down with my nan and granddad. I had all my friends there. I was an air cadet in the local acadet branch. We were doing survival courses. You know, you were sort of like starting to have the first girlfriends.

I was playing rugby for the rugby team, so my whole life was there, and because of the relationship being so toxic on the parents' side, it was I didn't want to move to Shropshire and I never wanted to go there. I tried and tried to stay with my friends, with Menan and Grande, but in the end, you know, I'm sixteen seventeen, You've got no you're not an adult yet, and things are very different back in those days like it is now, with all the safeguarding laws that we

really have and we really need. I just wanted to be away from the abuse, but I couldn't escape it, so in the end I was kind of forced to finish my exams and was kind of forced to move up there. So it would have been nineteen eighty seven, summer of nineteen eighty seven, and this house was set off a main road. It was in an area of woodland. It was just in a kind of patch of ground, like a bit of a field that was outside the woodland, but still next to a big main road which is

now a very busy road. And it was close to a town in Shropshire called Witchurch, and this place was called Higher Heath. In between Witchurch and Higher Heath there was an old air base, a World War two air base that was disused, but you could still see the

remnants of the old buildings throughout the woods. So as you came to the property, if you came up the main road, if you were traveling north to wards, which you would come to this turn off, you would go right into a kind of cinder track into the woods.

Immediately on the left there was an old grain dryer, this big, kind of stark, ominous looking building, but it was disused, a big, old sort of black looking building park brick part corrugated iron, I think, and then you'd kind of go no more than probably fifty sixty yards maximum one hundred yards, So where the cinder track went there would be a line of woodland, and then our property would be running along behind that line of only a strip of woods, probably no more than sort of

thirty feet wide in a strip, but obviously all the woods would be to your left hand side, and then you got four of the woods went off over a fence and a gate into the main woodland. So you used to have to literally come up the cinder track double back to get into the house through the gates that we ended up putting on there. So I ended up going to college, you know, big town in Shropshire called Shrewsbury. I used to come back quite late at night.

So coming back one sort of November night, get off the little bus across the road, have to cross the main road, comes down on the cinder track. Some I seventeen at the time, you know, pretty fit, pretty strong, pretty cocky, coming to the woodland, and I heard things running off into the undergrowth as I come down the cinder track, mainly to my left, and I thought, oh, yeah,

use your thing. You know, rabbits whatever. Carried on walking down a little bit further, and then I heard something heavier, and I thought, no, it's not a rabbit. It must be a someone's dog or something. Anyway, still pretty nonchal and not really bothered, walked a little bit further, and as I'm coming towards the grain dryer and sort of around probably the midway through in the grain dryer where it sat, I kind of just got compelled to turn

around because I could hear some noise. I thought, what is that? So I'm looking back and you can kind of vaguely see in the darkness. You can see, you know, the two bits of woodland where it ends, and there's the main road, there's the entrance to the cinder track off the main road. There's other houses there, and see my right where the patch of woodland that runs along the side of the road is just past the edge

of the grain dryer. I'm just sensing something. So I'm really staring this place in the woods, thinking what is what is it? I thought I'll just wait and see, and then I got this overwhelming feeling of dread. And the more that I looked, I could see there was something, but it was almost like a shadow that just absorbed the light. It was darker than dark, like it was a hole in space kind of thing. I was like, what, yeah,

I'm seeing things and it's pitch black anyway. But and then this this damn thing stepped towards me, or it stepped towards the path, I should say, so it moved so that I could see it, and it did this on purpose. And what it revealed was a humanoid shape, absolutely pitch black, like a void. It was about six and a half to seven feet tall, but it was clearly human shaped. But when it had stepped, it broke a twig. Now this is where we get this crossover

into the weirdness of well are these things supernatural? Are they physical? Are they physically present, or are they cloaked? Well that was it for me. It filled me with primal terror, terror that I have never felt anywhere before or since. It really was the most terrifying thing beyond

what it represented. Just the emanation of this thing was absolute terror, and I just I was frozen initially, and I literally spun and I ran from my life straight up the cinder track double back, literally hurdled the gates, ran straight to the house, got into the utility door, let the dogs out. The dogs went berserk, barking, howling, yapping. They tore off towards the woods up to the end gate,

and I just stood there, shaking. And I still, no matter where I've been across ancient sites, in different places in the world, up the hills, up the hills at night, in the full moon, in the woods at night, by myself, never felt terror like this thing emanated or invoked in me, or evoked in me, which we want to call it. It made me, you know, That's what I felt. So this thing carried on for years. It never really showed

itself again physically, not to me. It did show itself to my brother in dreams before it finally we feel it finally breached the house. And but that's long after I'd left. But you could go out there in daylight, go out through the gates and face towards this old bit of woods where the grain dry was se You're looking roughly towards where the main road is and the main body of the old woods, so the big old

woods is behind you. And even in the daylight, there was some presence that if you went there with the intention that you were going to face it down. You just felt like you were being watched. And this is where for me, what so many of the experiences describe who've had cryptid encounters, particularly with sasquatch or dog men,

that feeling of being watched. And I thought, and that's why the story to me was so compelling, because when I started listening to those encounters over the last kind of ten years, it made me go, oh, whoa, that's what I used to feel. But I felt it. I mean, I lived there off and on the air for like nine years, and this thing never diminished. It was there,

but no matter. You know, I really got into my spiritual path in my sort of twenties, and even then I could never quite pinned out what that thing was, nor could I ever face it down. Because no matter how bold and brassy I felt, I've been out there in daylight, I've been out there at night and just decided I was going to kind of challenge it. That thing always got me to back down. It will get

to a point where it was so malevolent feeling. It was like, no, okay, I'm going, yeah, fair enough, I'm going. But to give you an example of it, my little brother and myself. We were into like miniatures, war games like D and D and Warhammer and everything and WESA.

So there's eleven years between us, and you know, I was kind of my brother was still really young and I was at that point sort of in my early twenties, and we used to just go and hang out in the workshop that was ended up being built behind the garage on the property, but it was built right up against the fence that was the perimitive line of that little strip of woods, roughly opposite the grain dryer on

the other side of the cinder track. So we'd be hanging out in the workshop chatting, you know, laughing, painting our miniatures, just chilling like like brothers do, and you would just feel that silence fall, that change in the ether, and we both look at each other and go, oh, it's here, And you could feel this thin come up to the fence. It was there, you could feel it. You know. It was a big and forceful thing. It was not nothing. It carried and the most immense presence

with it. And then we'd be like, Okay, put the paint brushes down, it's time to get in the house. And then of course you'd have to kind of come out of the workshop, but there was a little kind of ginnel where you'd like where the garage was a little wood store, and it would take you to such a close proximity to the fence. You were within what you'd imagine to be like an arm's reach of this thing. So we used to kind of like get there and run through this bit and kind of get through the

gate get into the house because we could. So, yeah, we never used to go out and linger anywhere near that thing at night. It was like, nah, you just don't do that. So it went on that way for

a number of years. I ended up, like I say, moving on leaving out, and after I'd left and took all my stuff with me, it took my little brother a while before he told me the story of this, but he started having My stepdad had moved out by this time, so it was just my mum and the dogs and my little brother in the house at the time, and he'd ended up moving into my stepfather's room at the the kind of end of a corridor in the house and the upstairs on the side of the woods

overlooking the drive, and on the drive, there were three security lights, one up the gate one halfway down on one by the garage, and he said they'd had a few nights where it had something had set off the security lights one after the other gate halfway down the drive. It's a gravel drive, so anybody that was walking down it, you'd heard a person walking down it light scoff by the garage. It happened a couple of times, and then he'd actually, I remember now it actually he said it'd

set the car alarm off on my mum's car. But they'd gone out looking and there was let the dogs out. There was no one there, so it seemed it ramped it up. Now, my brother said, I started getting this recurring dream and in this stream, I'm running through the house. I'm locking all of the patio doors, the French windows, the doors. We had a big conservatory in the end down the side of the house that faced out to the wood Center utility. And he said that he had

this stream. He used to run around shut the door because he felt this thing was trying to get in. Never saw it, just had the idea that something was trying to get in the house, and he had to shut all the windows and doors and lock them and he said. Then the last night that this happened to him, he was in bed with his girlfriend. He was streaming the stream and he said, and I was running around, locking all the doors like I did in sequence. And

I got to the utility door. I came out of the utility door, and I was too slow, and as I ran down to the main part of the conservatory, down on the sort of like little glass corriedor bit, it came through the doors. And he said, it's exactly like you described it, Nathan. It's this large, dark humanoid form came through the doors, emanating this not necessarily evil,

but just this malevolent, powerful, ancient presence. And he said, you know, you see in the films where the person is running, they see this thing, they can't stop and they slip over on the floor, kind of slide towards it, and their legs are back pedaling, he said, And you know, I'm trying to get away from it as it's come through the door, and it's massive. It's about seven feet tall. It's kind of duck through the door, stood up. It's

huge and menacing. He says, I'm back pedaling and as it comes towards me, So I managed to get up and run, like, get back to the utility door. Lock it shut it, put the bolt on, he said. Anyway, then I woke up in bed sweating, and he said, and then I heard the stairs creak, and this corridor that ran down to the end where that bedroom was. It had this, you know, that kind of chipboard flooring,

and it was not a very well built house. It used to creak quite a lot with If you couldn't walk on that floor without anyone hearing, you know, you wake up the whole house. And he said, we heard it. I woke my girlfriend up and we heard it come down the corridor, and he said, we could feel its presence outside the bedroom door, almost like it was breathing darkness, Like it was like, you know, something breezy expanded its

aura through the walls. And so he I, when I'd left, I'd left this really interesting sort of African curved like cleaver simitter thing as a protection thing for him. It wasn't like a live blade shop sword. It was like a just like an ornament. But I always felt it had some sort of sort of talismanic protection element to it. So he grabbed that and he said to his golfing on the counter. Three, I'm going to open the door and whatever's out there is going to get swung. This

sword's going to hit it. He's like, I'm you know, I'm absolutely terrified, and so he got her to literally on the counter three, switch the light on. He opens the door, takes a swipe at whatever would be out there, and he said there was absolutely nothing there. It completely vanished, and that seemed to be the sort of culmination of the experiences there for him. He ended up moving out going to university. So that is a Now some people have seen these things and they think that these are

what they call a woodwoes, and I disagree. I don't think that is a woodwoes. I think that's something else I have experienced, or what I think was a woodwoes encounter. So in nineteen eighty seven, when myself and Richard Lance, we'd all finished school before I sort of eventually went back up to Shropshire, we had a holiday on a piece of land, farmland owned by their relatives in South Wales. So it's just three lads a tent in a little bit of a field under an old oak tree by

the woodlands. Absolute paradise, you know, proper boys own camping experience. We were there for I think probably about ten days something like that, really really nice summer weather. So where we had the old sort of three four man tent, there was a great big oat tree. We built a little fire, pips and rocks, and then the tent was kind of on the opposite side of that, and we had a lot of interesting experiences there. First time I'd ever heard foxes calling in the wild, you know, rain,

so it's really eerie coming out of the woods. But anyway, one night, so we've had a great night, We've gone to bed, left the kind of campfire in front of the tent. We're all sort of tired out. We retired, gone to bed, laid down, and then I think we've

all sort of drifted off a little bit. And then I think Lance was in the middle Riches on the other side of all laying in the same direction, and I'm pretty sure it's Lance nudged me and was just whispered, you know, look out the tent, look at the end of the tent, and he's woken Richard up, and we've all gone really quiet, looked up and honestly, they're in front of the tent, crouched over our fire was a human figure like if I could have described it to you,

I would say it was like a proto human, like a like a caveman or something like that. Not very big, probably would have been about five and a half feet, so probably, you know, no more difference than us in size. And it was crouched over the fire, and we were all like, what the bleep is that? Who's that? Who's outside? We're in the middle of nowhere, who's outside the tent? So anyway, it's like, right, we're going to get them.

So we had our like you know, army knives or survival knives, and so obviously it was me that was chosen to be the bravest and boldest, and I got pushed at the front of the tent and it was one. I was singing you on the counter three one two three, We're gonna unzip the tent and I'm going to jump this person because they're messing with us, you know, what

are they doing? So it was uh yeah, one, two, three, zip and I kind of like lunge out of the entrance to the tent and there is nothing there, nobody, and there was nothing in between the fire and the tent, and barely in mind, there's all three of us are seen this thing. It's not just like one of us and you know, the other two have gone, or maybe it's like, no, we all saw what we saw. And then so everyone's like looking at the tent. Now we're

all going, well, what was that? Well, you know, that was like that was a person and it was I think Richard said, well, I think it might be a woodwoes or you know, could it be what they called the oak man, the spirit of the oak tree or the things that live in the oak trees. These are all things from legend. So anyway, we were just like, ah, no,

what it was? So zip the tent back down, laid back down, and then about ten minutes later, I get another nudge and this thing's back again, squatting down over the fire. And then it was the case of well, we don't really know what that is, but you know, let's just it's not doing us any harm. In fact, maybe it's watching over us. So I don't know, let's just leave it be. But the thing that struck me the other day when we were talking about, you know,

are these creatures supernatural? Are they physical? And people talk about cloaking. People have seen sasquatch and dog men, both cloak and uncloak, at least that's the reports. So in my mind, I suddenly thought, well, why could we see it as a shadow on the tent And there was nothing in front of the fire that cast a shadow, and it couldn't cast a shadow like a squatting human

being without being a squatting human being shape. So well, I underzipped the tent and couldn't see it, and then obviously we zipped the tent back up and it kind of reappeared. What it made me think of is, oh, okay, could it be that when these things cloak are saying speech marks, do they bend light? But maybe they don't block it? So this thing was maybe it was cloaked, but the firelight, the actual light traveling from the fire, still cast its silhouette onto the outside of our tent

because it was physical on some level. And so maybe when I went out to kind of like jump in and see what it was, it was literally invisible to the naked eye. But that's why it kind of reappeared, because it probably was physically solid, and although we perhaps couldn't see it with our physical eyes because it was cloaked or something like that. It still cast a shadow because it was a solid creature of some kind. So

it is a very strange thing. And I'll say that the last experience that happened to me in recent years was probably around twenty fifteen, around the time that I began this journey of exploration. Now I've had a lot of strange UFO stuff over the years and seen all manner of things. But I was with Lance in his house in Suffolk, Libs saying, rural Suffolk outside berysin Evans, and it's not too far, probably about twenty five miles from Arif Lake and Heath and Mildenhall, the big us

spaces where we had all this drone activity recently. But this was around twenty fifteen. We were out in the back garden and it was nighttime. We were just out chatting, looking at the sky, looking at the stars, and away to the west we saw some red lights like landing lights on an aircraft. Why I used to live was

near a base called Arif Watersurement. Used to be a fighter base in the eighties, but then it's become a base for the Apache helicopters, and we see them quite a lot over that area, so we thought, oh, maybe it's it's apaches on maneuver because these red lights in the distance, which looked just like aircraft landing lights, were kind of going up and down, not very high, just on the horizon, kind of up and down a little bit side to side, like a helicopter would probably maneuver

rather than a large jet. No, it's not far, like I say, from the military bases, but also not far from Stanstord, which is a large airport, so we didn't think anything of it. And then about an hour later, Lance said, oh, you know your going for a walk up the road? Say yeah, okay, yeah, great, go and take the air it's a nice night. So he came out of his little estate, turned left, walked out into the countryside along the road, and then we took another left.

It's pitch black. I don't know the area at all, so I couldn't tell where I was, but we were heading down off the main road onto a side road down into a field, and then we spotted this red light. It was kind of red but then sort of amber shifting in colors, and again it's relatively small. It's kind of going up, traveling across, going up and down, vertically moving, and we were like, what are we looking at? And

how far away is? That's weird? And then all of a sudden it all became put into a sharp perspective because a car appeared with its lights on, coming from left to right, and we suddenly saw we were in a large field, probably about two to three hundred yards away from the boundary, the hedge line boundary, which was the boundary of the road, and in front of us were two regularly spaced telegraph poles. When this car appeared, this thing, this light ducked. It was up one of

the telegraph poles. It ducked down the telegraph pole. It hid below the hedge line, so the car couldn't see it. The car then passed and everything went back to being black, and this thing went up up the next telegraph pole, and then we were like whoa. And then that became a game changer. Then we sort of moved a little

bit closer. LANs was like, what is that and I was like, I don't know, and so then he sort of said, oh, should we go over Now By this time it had changed so it had kind of come down, it got across from left to right. It was probably just to the right of the second telegraph pole. It then changed from ready amber to a yellow white, and as we began to focus on it, I can only

say that it became aware of us. But prior to that, before we saw the car and worked out what it was, this thing, which was clearly intelligent and sentient, was dancing up and down the telegraph pole along the hedge, kind of just playing and quite happily, quite innocently. But when we became more intent on getting closer to it, and it kind of must have sensed us, it grew in intensity, like somebody was pointing a torch beam right at us.

So it went from being like a just a glowing red orb to being something that was shining, and you know, you get those kind of like rays of light that radiate when something's pointing right at you. It did that. Lance was like, oh, shoot, should we go over and see it? And I was like, no, no, no, no,

we don't know what that is. Plus and then as we were sort of thinking about that, there was a little tiny strip of woods next to us in that sort of poked out like a fingerwood, and that PopEd out into that field on our right that we sort of drew level with. As we kind of went a little bit forward towards the orb and towards the hedgeline, there was a massive snapping of a wood limb and something thudded to the ground and I was like, ooh, key, Lance back out, and he was like, well, us to

just back out. No, we don't know what this is. We don't know what we were in the middle of. It's pitch black. Let's just honor it for what it is and let's back away. And so did. We sort of backed out of the field. It stayed sort of focused on us to sort of hopping. It was really hovering probably about more than about two or three feet

above the ground at that point. So we've discussed it afterwards, and the only thing we could compare it to in our kind of cultural knowledge or you know, mythology from the UK was something that was called a willow the wisp, and that's what it seemed to be. So it was alive,

it was just enjoying itself. You know, It's clearly it was intelligent, it was sentient, but I felt it sense us and it almost like became a bit of a Mexican standoff again, because it kind of grew in intensity, like it was getting ready to do something, and I

didn't want either of us to get harmed. But also sometimes, you know, we encounter these things and it's like, why have humans always got to get their hands on stuff and try pick it to pieces when we should just you know, we've recognize and honor the fact that we've witnessed something miraculous, and it's maybe it's a manifestation of nature. It's a beautiful thing. It wasn't out to hurt us,

Just you know, honor it and walk away. And so we do think that maybe what we saw was a willow the whisper, but that clearly was a energy life form that clearly had physical presence, had sentience, it was aware. So I believe that we live in a very beautiful and interesting world where there are perhaps these creatures, and perhaps both things are true. Some of these things are physical, but they can also shift between the dimensions. I have

no idea how the physics of that were. Look. Maybe one day we will know it, but maybe we're not grown up enough or evolved enough yet in our consciousness to really embrace those things or be trusted with the secrets of them, because look at what a mess we

make of most of the world. And I just think what a beautiful world we could live in if we knew all these answers and we just used all our energy and attention, all our money and resources in the right ways rather than in the destructive and divisive ways in which they seem to be use in most of the world. But there's clearly a bigger world out there than human beings have got the ability to embrace. But I think some of us are kind of getting there.

For me, it just makes me more aware of what might be out there and makes me, yeah, keep my head on the swivel. But unlike most of you, I really would love to know the answers. And I think now I've had a shift in life and I've kind of freed up sort of time and energy and resources for me, that's what I want to go forward and go and explore. So yeah, there is an imminent US tour being planned as we speak, So if anybody wants to reach out, get in touch and connect, we'd love

to come out there. I think if I can probably get a thing to come. You'd love that as well, to come and explore some of the mysteries out there and hopefully we can find some of the answers together.

with us. Our ancestors have got a massive history of communicating with these other realms and respect for them. I mean there's been you know, stories of the werewolves in the forests in Europe for centuries, and also people connecting with the Faye, with the elementals, with the fairy realms the Faye which often resemble these you know, classic gray extraterrestrials. So well, I still believe that we have, you know, both things are out there. There's interdimensional stuff and there

is extraterrestrial stuff. So I think in the next few years we are really going to see something. And I've had some very prophetic dreams that show things turning up. So let's hope we get the answers because I just think what a beautiful world we would live in when we know more about the world we live in if you get me, I.

And you know, as someone that struggles with trauma and then also has this kind of other sight to his life, how do you explain those things to regular you know, medical staff and therapists. It's very difficult, can be very lonely, and I think the isolation and the loneliness with something like this is the hardest thing. So you know, you do a great job. And I know you talk to so many people offline and you talk them down and you help them out. And God bless you, sir for

what you do. So you know, and I can tell you're one of the good guys. You're very, very genuine in what you do and you do care and that's a you know, that's h So you have my respect, Vick. You really do well.