Tonight's guest is Renee Wilson. Renee, Welcome to the show. Hello, Vic, How are you doing. I'm doing good, but more importantly, how are you? I can't complain doing pretty good. Thanks. Well, I'm sure beats an alternative, doesn't it. Yeah, that's right, Renee, Please give us a brief bio on yourself. All right, I'm Renee Wilson. I live in Central Kentucky, forty three years old. I have
two children, and I do caretaking for a living. I've been doing that for the past few years, and one of my big hobbies is taking lots and lots of videos and pictures of cryptids. I've been in that for I don't know, probably four to five years now. As the listeners are going to find out, you're really good at taking pictures of crypt heads too. You get results, just like Paul last week who came on. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Paul gets a lot of great evidence as well.
Yeah. I've been in like several groups, dogman groups, and I've met some incredible people and they all have some amazing pictures here. Lately, it's like these cryptids, I think are coming out more and more. There's a lot more evidence than there used to be, So there's a lot of people getting some good evidence having more personal experiences as well. A lot of people are out there trying to get pictures of these guys, but most of them
aren't having any luck. Do you do anything special that you believe is improving your chances of catching them on film or do you think it's just been dumb luck. It can be a little of both. I guess you know, I was capturing a lot of evidence out where I lived previously. I moved from there about a year ago, But I don't know. Every time I go out, you always have to have a positive mindset. I think first and foremost, and these beings that they know your intentions, so you don't
want to go out and do anything like disrespectful. You're just trying to share in their space, and you know, just actually out and enjoying nature. And you know, if they decide to show themselves to you, I feel like that's because they trust you and they know you or intent is not malicious or anything. And I'm one of them, I do you know, if I see something, I acknowledge it and I've said thank you before that they
didn't have to show themselves, but they did. Again, I've told you before, I've just been lucky in the fact that I have not had a terrifying experience or anything yet, And I mean, I'm so thankful for that because I know so many people have. I've seen what I've seen. There's been several things I have actually seen with the neked eye, and then there's been a lot of things that I didn't see till I go back and review the video later. But nothing has ever been malicious or I never had that
fight or flight feeling or anything like that. So I'm grateful for that. And I feel for the people that have had scary experiences though, because I know they're for sure that they are Unfortunately, Yeah, you haven't had any frightening encounters yet, but do you think you're one frightening encounter away from never going into the field again. It could happen. But a lot of times when I do go out on hiking, you know, we go to Daniel
Boone National Forest, a lot, Red River Gorge. I'm always with someone and it's really my way of doing it. It's not I'm just out enjoying nature as I always would. Ever so often I just go with my gut instinct. I'll have a gut feeling to record in this specific area because I just know there's something there. I can feel that there's something there. But
again, it's never it's not necessarily a scary feeling. So it's not like I go out and I'm just constantly feeling everything that I'm doing or anything like that. A lot of times they're really short videos, you know, a minute or under, sometimes a couple of minute videos if that. And I've called a lot of things that way. Me and my dad go out quite a bit every now and then. I can get together with a friend, But I would hate to say that nothing would ever happen that would just scare
me so bad that I wouldn't want to go back in there. I think nighttime you're asking for a lot more scary experiences. I would say, not always, but nighttime. Yeah, I'm not completely keen up on just being out in the middle of a forest and spending the night out there. I will say that. Yeah, now that you know what's out there, I can understand why. Yeah, i'd be a little nervous, you know about it. Yeah, that's natural. And you just mentioned the fact that your
dad was out with you sometimes. Is he into all this or does he just go out to a peas? He all right, y'all, I'll go with you. Now. He's my hiking buddy. Ever since I was little, we were always camping, hiking, fishing. We just love being outside like that, and so anytime I have a free day and he's got a free day, we're out and we just love it. He actually does believe in all of this. He's a very avid hunter. He always has been.
He's done a lot of hunting, even at Land between the Lakes, which we know a lot of dog man sightings have been there, but he's never had anything happen or anything to scare him. He does not want to watch a whole lot or listen to a whole lot of these stories because he said he doesn't want to be out there hunting and you know, going out really early when it's still dark out and stuff and thinking about all that stuff because it scaring too bad. Even though he believes in it, he just
tries not to dwell on it too much. Yeah, that's probably a good idea. Then you just mentioned the LBL. I asked Paul about this last week. Actually, do you believe in the stories about the murderers that allegedly happened there. I do, Yeah, I do. Now. I personally have never been there. It's not that I wouldn't go. I just haven't ever been. Like I said, my dad had done some hunting there before. But yeah, I didn't actually second guess the story. I definitely believe
it. It does make you wonder where there's smoke there's normally fires though, if they just might be real. Yeah, I mean, there's just there's too many sightings and things that have happened to people for that not to definitely be a possibility of what happened there. You know, you can't. You definitely can't rule it out. If they really did happen, then those poor people, you really have to feel for them. Oh, I know,
it's horrible. It sure is. If you've had a dog me an encounter would like to speak with me about it, whether I'm private or on the show, please go to dog Mean Encounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest on one of my two Bigfoot shows, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know. All right, Renee. Please tell us about your encounters.
Now, give us every last detail that comes to mind. Okay, well, if I'm starting with my first one, it was actually where I
told you I just moved from the subdivision that I lived in. It was a giant loop and on the back side of the loop there hadn't been any houses built yet, but it was a gravel road that went all the way around, and then on each side of it was just a bunch of it wasn't necessarily real thick, well it's semi thick trees, but yeah, I mean, and my son would go back there walking all the time, and
I mean at this time he was like three years old. But yeah, it was still very close to houses, you know, we could see them
from where we were standing. But we were just back there playing around One day and I looked over and I saw it was in the bushes, but it was like very very low to the ground, almost on the ground, and I could see It's almost like it wasn't completely flesh and blood like I couldn't It didn't look like I could necessarily reach out and tangibly touch it, but I could one see it. There was a head, I could see ears, shoulders, a neck, not much because it was so low to
the ground, and of course I was just like, wait, wait, wait, you know, am I really Am I really seeing that? Because he was just sitting there staring at me, I could make out. I could tell there was eyes, a nose, a mouth, I mean, because those areas were shaded. So I did get my phone out and I was I did say, am I really seeing what I think I'm seeing? And I made a comment about if I could see some movement, if they would move, And I didn't see till later in the video there was actually
one behind it. It was so light though it was hard to pick up on camera, but yeah, there was movement there when I asked them to move, and I went frame by frame through the video, and sure enough I saw what I thought, I think and I believe it was a dog man. Now it didn't look like the typical like German shepherd. It didn't like that. But it was not a sasquatch, and I do know that. But yeah, and it morphed, you know, kind of in and
out. I could see the facial expressions changing from each frame, but it had more of a more of a flatter type face. It wasn't really a long nose on it. I know, it's hard to explain because I think a lot of these dog men, they're not all typically the German shepherd look to them. I think there's quite a few that looked a lot different. But yeah, I believe that's what it was. And again, pretty much
the whole time, it was still there when I finally looked away. Now, I didn't make a point to just stand there for ten minutes staring at it and recording it or anything, you know, but I did acknowledge it that I saw it, and then me and my son went about doing what we were doing. But there was no I never felt any type of fear at all, or that we needed to get out of there, which you know, I've caught lots of things in that area in the past too,
on video, and it's always been that way. I just think, you know, I think there's good and bad with everything, and sometimes they just want to observe and watch and it's not necessarily like they're all out to want to eat you or anything. And I just think it was i don't know, like a mutual respect, just watching. But yeah, you always second guess yourself, you know, you think there's no way I'm seeing this, because it was like so clear to me at the time and it didn't take
me two seconds to look over there and see it. But yeah, just very very low to the ground, like you wouldn't even think anything would have would have been over there. Sure enough it was, as you know, by laying close to the ground like that in most cases with people, they wouldn't even notice it was there. But yeah, you, being observant the
way you are, you did. Yeah. I mean I went out in that area all the time expecting to see something, and I would always take short video clips over in the trees and the bushes and stuff, just for that reason, because you know, almost every time I went out, I could see something. There's always something. I feel like, you know, they're whatever type of being it is. It doesn't mean it's just siswatch your dog man. I believe there's all kinds of things out there, and there
always have been. They've always been there. We just don't know it. So that's why there has to be a certain level of of mutual respect. I guess, you know, they exist and do their thing and so do we, and sometimes they just want to watch and that's it. Well, it goes without saying, thank goodness, they shows so much restraint in most cases. So yeah, that's a good thing. Yeah. And like I said, I'm not really sure why as many things that I have captured that
I've never had a scary feeling at all. I don't really I don't have an answer for that, but I'm just grateful that it has been that way so far. Well that makes two of us. I'm grateful too, thank goodness of that. When you had that first encounter, you said that you're with your son, it didn't make any aggressive moves towards you. But were
you concerned about his safety? Actually no, I don't know if that sounds terrible or not, but just because we're always out there, and I've caught so many things in videos previously that I feel like we live in that area and they must live or at least hang out in that area an awful lot. And apparently they've always been there, I guess. And so with me never having a feeling of being threatened or anything, No, I wasn't concerned,
not at all. Actually. I mean, you know, like if I ever felt the tiniest bit of something like, oh, we need to get out of here, And oh, I wouldn't hesitate on that. But like I said, we're just in a subdivision and there's houses. I can look to each side, my left and right and see a house. It's not like there were houses just way off. So yeah, you just don't feel even scared, you know, right where you're at. Well, it goes without saying I'm so glad that experience went so well. Thank goodness.
Yeah, thanks me too. Well, you welcome. You told us how it didn't seem to be flesh and blood. What do you think dogmen are? Renee? Well, I believe they're interdimensional for sure. Again, that's why I think people don't see these beings all the time. That's exactly why, because they have abilities that they just can cloak or whether it be I think they traveled by portals and all of that stuff. So yeah, they're just their abilities to disappear at will. That's why we don't see them all
the time. And yeah, it's weird because it's it's like I could tell without a doubt that he was there, but he still looked like a shrub, if that makes sense. That's why I was like, he didn't necessarily look like just a thick, dark being that I could just go over there and grab a hold of. But yet I could fully see that he was there. He just still looked like the green shrubs, but darker. You know, I could tell his face and his eyes and mouth, and it's
it's hard to explain. That's the best way I can explain it. Really. There's a lot of evidence out there to support the idea that you just mentioned about them being ethereal, because for them to do a lot of the things that so many credible eyewitnesses report seeing them do, that's really the only explanation. Yeah. And you know when you go through your videos and you can see you catch a really good frame of a face and then the next
minute it's like morphed and looks completely different. It's like there's there's your answer right there too, because we don't look like that and we're solid. So you can tell the there's abilities there for sure, because they're not. It's like they're not fully three D all the time. It really does make you wonder what the extent of their abilities actually is. Mhmm. Yeah, I don't know. Some of these encounters that I've heard that they were being chased
by a dog man and all of that is. Oh man, I just couldn't even imagine the fear that you would feel in a situation like that. Now, I mean, I think once they're fully like flesh and blood. You know. I don't know if there's some that's been possibly born here because I think they live in a different dimension most of the time. And I don't know if some of them are just earth bound and they're fully flesh and blood form. You know that That is one question that I have. But
yeah, I wish I didn't know the answer to that. Well, there are a lot of answers we wish we had, but unfortunately we don't have them. Right, that's right. What can you tell us about it? Didn't have your other experiences with them? Well, I will mention the one that when me and Paul went out that was last year, last April. Actually I went with him, and I'm so sorry I can't think of exactly where it was that we went, because I'd met up with him and we
drove down. I had never been there before, but he goes there all the time and captures a lot of stuff. But we were we were standing on the bank and there was a body of water, and so I was looking across the water and over in the tree. There was a bunch of trees and stuff on the other side as well, and I was recording. He was standing there next to me. He might have been recording in a different area or something too, but I just saw it in the tree line
it. I mean, I knew immediately what it was. I was like that, now that is not a tree. There's something standing right there. And it was the blackest black, and I could tell it was very thick, real wide legs were just they looked massive. But he was standing perfectly still. He was right next to a tree, kind of like under a tree, and there was other smaller trees and taller bushes around as well. But I could see each leg. I could tell that he had his legs
apart. So that was another thing that gave it away, because I could see the two legs. And now at the time, I couldn't tell what it was for sure. I just knew that there was a figure standing there. And when I reviewed the video later, I could see the points on the top of his head, so I knew. I knew that was a dog man for sure, and I pointed it out to Paul at the time too, and he was like, oh my god, yeah, there's no doubt that's what that is. So yeah, he never moved, never moved,
just stood perfectly still. And there were others around. They weren't as clear as he was, but you could tell even at that distance. I mean, when you've been doing it for a while, the research and I don't know, certain things, they just kind of pop out at you, like you don't even have to second guess yourself, really, you just know. And I spotted him the minute I panned to that area. But you
know, he was a pretty good distance away. So yeah, again, it wasn't anything that we felt fear that we needed to run or anything. Yeah, he would have had to swim across the water to get to us anyway. But yeah, so that was pretty cool, and I that's some of my best pictures I think, at least a couple that I got from that. You said that he was across a body of water from you. How far away was he? Oh gosh, I'm not good at really, let's see. So well, I think Paul was saying, it's probably about
one hundred and seventy five yards away. I'm thinking that's what he said. I'm not the best at judging distance. Oh that's all right, no harm, no foul there. One hundred and seventy five yards seems like a pretty good distance until you're standing there steering that to dog men. So I'm sure it seemed like two feed, you know. And I'm gonna feel bad if he said seven five yards. I remember he commented on it in the group, and yeah, so again I apologize, I'm not the best at that.
Oh that's all right. I mean, you had so many things going on in your head, you can blame you. How would you compare the way this one looked compared to the first one you saw. Well, this one you could definitely tell that it had more of like a German shepherd type look. It had the longer muzzle on it and the pointy ears on the very top of his head. The first one that I seen, I could
see ears on the top, but they weren't like really pointy. They were smaller, and again he had more of a shorter a muzzle on him. It didn't look like it was like long he's sticking out at all. Really, But yeah, this one that we saw across the water definitely had the German shepherd type look to it, and like I said, just it looked
like just the blackest shadow. You couldn't make out any any features or details, you know, because it was a good distance away, and it was sort of in the shadows as well, because it was under the tree that you could still if you knew what you're looking for, you know, you could definitely have spotted it being that far away, and the fact that he was in the shadows and so dark. That was a good job seeing them. Thank you, You're welcome. How big did he seem to be?
Oh? Man, I would say it looked like it was probably nine nine and a half feet tall. It looked like that to me. He looked pretty big, really thick. Like I said, his legs were just yeah, they were massive, and his chest. You know, his head was the part that was harder to see. I mean, you know, I could see it in my video where I would zoom in on it and stuff even more and doing the frame by frame. But yeah, at the time, I couldn't make out his head, but I just I could the rest
of his body. That's pretty big, not for a dog man, but that's still awfully big. Yeah. Have you had any other experiences out there with them or just those two. Well, as far as seeing things, I mean I have seen things as well in other places, but not it's one of those things that I could see that there was something in the shadows. But they are so good at camouflage. It wasn't like I could make
out every feature in detail of out it. Now the videos that I got, you know, I've got plenty of pretty incredible pictures I think of him, But yeah, you just know. Sometimes you just know. On my way to work there was a particular spot that it just gave you dog man vibes like no other. Like I just knew. So every time I was going to and from work, I would slow down. And it was on a back road, so there was not much traffic out there at all,
and you're lucky to pass one car out there when you're going by. But I just knew that they were out there, and I caught plenty of things out there. I knew I was right. I was like him. But now as far as good of the two that I was telling you about, it's just reviewing videos later that I have seen for sure what I knew was out there. One of them was with my dad. I'm going to be
sharing those pictures on here as well. It appeared to be a den, and I think it was pups, and there might have been some adults in there too. I think they can be as big or small, I guess as they want to be their interdimensional so they can do a lot of things. But my dad and I were up at a very top. It was a large hill. We took the trail up, but we didn't take it down. We kind of just scaled down the side of it. So we
were sliding and holding onto trees and that's how we do things. But we finally got to a fairly level spot and he was up ahead of me just a little bit, and I just got the urge to this dirt mound. I just knew something was in it, and I saw something on the top. I was filming something else completely and it was a face that I thought, you know, I was seeing, which it was a face. But when I reviewed it the video later, that's when I saw what I'm going
to be sharing on the show. Yeah, one of the pictures, it's one of the clearest I have. I was pretty shocked. And well, the other one that I'm sharing also from that same dirt mound was like very very black, like what Paul and I saw a couple of the pictures. Actually it appears and I don't know what it is. I know they have ways of camouflaging themselves and they can do things we can't explain. But it
looked like it had little black horns on the top of its head. And I don't know if that was just a type of something for camouflage or what, because you could see the ears on the side of his head, but then you also saw these on top of his head and it reminded you of a bulls horns. But yeah, So the way I've zoomed in on that particular one, it looks like he's big. He looks pretty big, but they weren't. They were very small actually, because this dirt mound, it
wasn't massive. I mean, it wasn't a little bitty dirt pile either, but it wasn't like a great big You would never have thought that that many things were hiding in there. Who knows how deep that ten is though, Yeah, And I mean it's like I think a lot of these beings do go underground. That's my personal opinion. I think that's a lot of the reason too, why people don't see them all the time. That you know
that the world is full. I mean, there's tunnels that go everywhere underground, and so I think a lot of cryptids and things are down down in tunnels as well. Okay, it's a perfect place for him. You just mentioned the pictures you took. I'm about to show them one by one on the YouTube version of tonight showing as I do that. Please tell us what we're looking at. Okay, this first one, this was also at my
subdivision. It wasn't the first one that I described because those pictures I feel like they did turn out pretty good, but they weren't as clear as this one is for people to see because I'm not really for sure how bad pixelated you know, the picture would be once I've put it out as well. But this one was also in my subdivision, and I was really close to this and at the time, Like I said, this one, I can't remember for sure if I saw it at the time or not, or if
it was after. You know, I saw, like a lot of times, I see figures, like I said, shapes, but until you view it later, then you're like, oh, crap, that is what that was. But yeah, he looks pretty big, and I got a lot of different frames of his face changing a little bit as well, and there's several there's other ones around him too, but they're not as clear as him. I think he was. It's pretty obvious. But this is one of my favorite pictures too. This second one was this was behind the house when
I lived in the subdivision. I was standing in my group of trees on my side of the road and this was across the subdivision road in the tree line, and I've gotten lots of things from that particular area, so it was pretty close to me. I did not see this one at the time, but was pretty shocked when I did see it. I thought, his eyes, they really stand out in this picture, and I just think it's neat. How just the way they use the branches camouflage, you know,
to break their face up. It's they're incredible, just like the Sasquatch are with their camo. It's pretty mind blowing sometimes. But yeah, he's kind of got a menacing look about him, I think. But again, this was an area that I was constantly out in it or next two and along with my son as well, and never I hadn't felt nothing bad with this either, but just happened to see it later that evening when I reviewed the video. Okay, this third one, now, this one is very different.
I have never gotten one that looks quite like this one. This is one of my favorite pictures. Definitely this It has almost like a human appearance to it. It's one of those things. Actually, I'm not sure what to say it is if it's definitely a dog man. I worked at a home I did, you know, caretaking, and I would go to people's homes and set with them and stuff. And she lived on a farm and this her land. It was just so beautiful there. There was just fields
and trees and her drive up was just surrounded with trees. It was so amazing. So I knew that there was a lot going on out there too, and so sometimes when I would get there in the evenings, I would just stand out in the driveway and record the tree line. And that one right there was around a tree at me. And again at the time I didn't even know it. I did not see this really, by how clear
its face is, I don't know how I didn't see it. But there was so much to take in and I was getting there every evening about eight o'clock, so it was almost dark anyway. But yeah, this picture, like I said, it's one of my favorites. And I can't say for sure that that is a dog man, but if anybody has any ideas, you could throw them out there. Okay, now this is actually the pups
that I was just telling you about a few minutes ago. And that dirt mound where me and my dad went out, Now this was actually this was probably about twenty twenty five minutes. Well, no, it's probably twenty minutes from where I live. It's just a local area that we visited. And like I said, at the time, I didn't know that they were peeking
out like that. But when I got home and was reviewing all this later, I immediately sent it to my dad and I was like, do you see these And he's like, yeah, I said, that's where we just were, and he was like, no way, yeah, but yeah, the first one there, he is super clear. Now the one behind him, I've got I've got multiple frames of these guys, and some of them, the one there in front, his face is completely morph looking like you
can't even tell it's a face. That's why I was saying their abilities to cloak in and out. It's just incredible because one minute his face is clear, the next it's not. Than it is again and some of them, the one behind that one, would be super clear. So it just depends depends on the frame. You can get a split second where you can get a perfectly, you know, pretty clear shot of a face, but you
got to get just the right frame because it's very, very hard. I never get anything from just snapping pictures because I just don't feel like I would ever get anything that way. It's all from videos, okay. And this one is also in that same dirt mound that I was telling you about. It was behind the first two that we showed. This is the one. It looks like he's got horns on the top of his head as well, So I'm really not sure what's going on there. But I have got probably
twenty frames of his face and they're changing in every one. Now, for the most part, it does look the same, but you can tell there's definitely differences in each one. It almost even has more of a skeletal type look, if that even makes sense. But just the darkening of the nose almost triangle looking. It's hard to explain, but and he looks very big too, And again these were not big. I just was able to zoom in really really good. Like just looking at the video, you never would
have guessed at all that anything was in there. And this is this is actually the first one that I showed my dad that he was just like blown away by, and I was like, yep, I knew there was something over there because I told him, I was like, hang on, just wait on me just a second, because I want a film right here. And so so where I got them, okay. And then the last one here, this is when Paul and I went out last year, so it was the one that we'd been talking about earlier. And yeah, you can
definitely see the points on his ears in this particular frame. Not all of the video you can see that, but this one you can really well, I think, and you can just tell the thickness of his legs and his torso and stomach area. It's just he was very wide and again, like I said, I think it was probably about nine and a half feet tall.
I would just guessing. You can see he's just black. Black is black, And there was never any distinctive features that I could see, but one of my favorite pictures though, I'm really impressed for Hey, National Geographics should put you on the payroll. Great job. Well, thank you very much. I love doing it. I really do enjoy it. Well, you've got a knack for it. You've got great instincts. Finding that den with pups in that the way you did. Did you have any concerns about
your safety? No, I didn't. Like I said at the time, I just didn't even know that they were really in there. I just saw what looked like a face more on like the top of it, and I was recording that so I had no idea until I got home that night and was able to go through the videos to even know that it was there. So and it was really it was quiet out there. It was It didn't feel necessarily creepy or eerie, but it was pretty quiet out that day. But yeah, I didn't even know they were there, so no, I
didn't. I wasn't worried about my safety at all since he didn't know about that den until after the fact. Did you ever go back to visit that den? I have it yet, but I will. Yeah, Yeah, it's not that far and where me and my dad went on one of our last hikes. Oh my goodness, I've caught quite a bit from that area too, and we were out not even close on a trail, and this was out in Daniel Boone National Forest as well. Now, the den of
pups wasn't but they're everywhere really, It's just I don't know. At least that's what I have found a lot of times when I go out. When I come back and review things, you'll see something. But yeah, i'd like for us to go back when. I'm sure he would definitely be up for doing that because it's not very far from here at all. You think your dad would go back with you if you knew that there is a den with dog me and pups in there. Well, I don't know why.
Like again, I'm not I'm not in freak out moat about it or anything, or I don't feel scared about it. I don't know. I feel like if I would have felt that feeling at the time and I didn't,
I don't know. I guess that would just be like saying you're never going to go back out just because you know there are things out there and we all know that there's things out there and you never know where they're going to be, so you can't necessarily let that stop you from getting out and just enjoying what you love to do. Now, again, like I said, if something were to happen that I have an absolutely horrific experience with something chasing
me, like, yeah, i'd probably i'd feel a little bit different about that, But that's never happened to me just yet, So I'm just still going to try to get out and enjoy one of my favorite things to do. It's just being in nature. You don't frighten easile idea. I love that. Well, thank you. Now, it just depends. I mean, like I said, I don't want to sound I'm not trying at all to sound like I'm just you know, it's such a hard No, it's
it's not necessarily that. It's just I just know so many things. They've been around for so long, and people go out every day and never see or experience anything at all, you know, their entire life, and I just happen to know I am aware that they're out there. Yeah, like I said, it's just I'm not trying to come off like I wouldn't be scared to death if something, you know, crazy happened, because I would, but I just going with the flow right now. I guess you'd say.
I just hope some time down the road, no experiences like that happened to you where you are frightened out of the woods. Yeah, yeah, I know it because that's my favorite thing to do when I get free time. That's just where I want to be. You know, we hike into some beautiful waterfalls. Kentucky's got a lot of beautiful places that I had never even visited till even a few years ago, and I was like, wow,
I didn't even know that was here. So yeah, me and my dad, like I said, anytime we're both free, we're out there and we're planning ongoing camping here soon. We went to b Rock not too long ago. Well it was like a week and a half ago. It's part of the Daniel Boone National Forests as well, and it is gorgeous and you know, I caught some stuff on film in there too. But yeah, that's where we're planning ongoing here soon to camp out. Well, goozle,
that's saying I hope you two have a great time, thank you. I'm sure we will. You're welcome. From what I understand, you transition from being focused on sasquatch to focusing on dog men. Does that mean that you don't research Sasquatch at all? Now? No, I'm very much into all of what I felt like was happening. In the beginning where I lived before, in that subdivision, I was thinking it was more Sasquatch activity, and
I still think a lot of it was. But the longer that I've been in this, I think some of what I was thinking might have been a sas watch wasn't. I almost think that that area had more dog men around or canine type beings around. Like I said, whatever, they were not malicious. But now that I go back through some videos that I had looked at, you know, a couple of years prior, I see things differently
now and I'm like, Okay, that's not a sas watch. So when you're first starting in this and everything that you see, you know, all you know is you're seeing eyes. You can tell there's a head, there's eyes, there's movement there. That's just your first initial fault. Think for a lot of people it's like that's a big boot, that's sasquatch. But
I think a lot more of it was dog man stuff. Now, I definitely did see a sasquatch in my subdivision in that tree line once before, and I got that on film too, But it's not your typical looking sasquatch either. It's yeah, you know, their face. I told you how, it's like kind of still cloaked looking. I was standing inside my group of trees and looked across the road and I just saw a brown figure.
It was perfectly blended into the trees and the grass around it. I mean, if I wasn't looking for that type of stuff, I never would have even seen it. And it was the same type of thing. Am I really seeing? What I think? Is he just standing there staring at me like that? That's what your brain's thinking, Like, no way. And he didn't look super tall, I don't know. It only looked to be about maybe six foot or it wasn't real real tall, And it looked like
I had a headpiece of some sort on. But I saw that later going through the video. But yeah, I know that was Sorry. I got a little bit off topic there, But I still love it all I do, and I think I still see both. But the dog Man's just really been more upfront and in the limelight. It seems like with most of my stuff. I don't know why. Well, they have a way of doing
that through good of capturing your attention and hang on to it. Yeah, I guess so I should have asked Paul about this last week, but for some reason I didn't. How do you two start researching together? I had posted some stuff in the I guess it was in the Kentucky his group. I'm trying to think if it was his group or if it might have been another one, and then he was posting in it too, so he would
comment on some of my posts. And then we just started talking and he had messaged me on Messenger and we were just talking about oh yeah, we're like really close and just how we got into it and some of our experiences and stuff, and we were like, yeah, maybe we could go out one day, and so yeah, it was just through Facebook and that's the only time we've actually gotten to go out and do anything. We were out for a little bit and then his fiance came out and met us too,
and we all walked around a little bit more together. But yeah, I would love to do it again. We still talk fairly often, and he's probably I'm thirty minutes, thirty five minutes for me, i'd say, I'm so glad you too linked up like that. Yeah, yeah, he's he's fully in this. He lives and breeds it. Lad he does. Yeah, he definitely does. And he's got some good stuff too. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Is your way of researching them similar to the way he
does are quite a bit different. Um, yeah, I think he goes about it a little differently. He might be see, I'm I'm a single mom, so and my son, well, my daughter's eighteen, but my son's just five, so it has to be when I don't have him. And a lot of times my friends you know, their mothers as well,
and everybody's so busy all the time. It's very, very hard to meet up with a friend to go out on a hike somewhere because usually where we go it's it's at least an hour, hour and a half driver longer to get to these places and stuff. But you know, so that's why me
and my dad go out. And I don't know, I think sometimes more he's going in more as to just full out research, where I'm kind of going just for the hike and the nature experience, and I mean he does too, don't get me wrong, but that's kind of more of what I'm doing. I'm not always beering off all the trails, even though I'd kind of like to, but Dad would be more up to do that with me.
And then I just randomly just start recording for a minute or two, just in places that I feel the urge to do so, so yeah, it is differently, I'm just kind of I don't know if I want to say nonchalant about how I'm doing it. You know, I'm not like out just specifically for that reason, is what I'm saying. And yeah, it
just so happens that a lot comes through that way. But you know, because if the person you're with isn't in it as much as you are, you know, I don't want to sit there and just try to be filming or wait, wait, wait, let's just stop and I have them wait, but that's pretty cool. He'll just he'll hang out for a few minutes to let me record and then we just go on. Well, regardless of how serious you think you are when it comes to researching them, like I
said before, you definitely get results. And I'm awfully impressed. What's about time for us to get out of your renee. But before we do, do you have any closing comments you'd like to share? Well, I guess I know more and more people are interested in this subject. It seems over the past few years like more and more people are coming to this. I think more and more cryptids are showing themselves, also extraterrestrials like the whole thing.
I just think everybody's having a lot more experiences lately, even if you're not particularly going out looking for them, they're seeing things. And I think the villa is then right now, if you enjoy nature, you love it, don't let it deter you from going out. Now. I do always protect myself. I will say that, I say a prayer, and I'm really into crystals and stones. There's certain stones that are really good for protection
and grounding and I carry that with me as well. So, yeah, you do want to go out into the woods or the forest and be protected. So that's definitely not going to hurt to do that. First off, it Just get out and enjoy yourself. Don't let it stop your and still fear in you to where you don't want to go out and enjoy these things because there's a lot of people that are never going to have an experience ever. So yeah, just get out there and enjoy yourself and don't worry about
what could happen because it might not ever happen. Couldn't have said it any better myself, Rinee. I can't thank you enough for coming on and sharing those experiences with this as well as the pictures. I really appreciate it. Oh, no problem, it's my pleasure. Well, it's been great having you, and thanks again so much for your time, and have a great night.