At a book. Hey everyone, thanks so much for tuning in to another livestream episode of Dogman Encounters Radio. I really appreciate it. For tonight's show, we're going to welcome back a past guest. On episode four h nine, tonight's guest Dwayne came on and talked about an encounter he had back in twenty twelve. The title of that episode is my Dogma Night Tears. Without any further ado, we need to bring him in here so we can talk
about the most recent encountery had, which unfortunately happened this past January. Let's bring him in here now. Dwayne, thanks so much for coming back. Hey, Vic, how's it going. It's good to be back. Well, it's great to have you. Not for the reason that you're here, but yeah, I'm glad you let me know about what happened in January, and of course, thanks so much for coming back. Yeah, absolutely my pleasure. Definitely, Dwayne. For the people who missed that episode, please
tell us about yourself. Well, I live in mid Michigan, close to the Saginaw Bay area. Twenty twelve, I was spending a lot of time up in LPN on a hay farm. We lost our dad that year. So my brother and I just did a lot of haunting and had my first encounter out there, said twenty twelve. But so basically, yeah, just I'm a caregiver. I working and assisted living in a memory care facility. I work a night shift now it's easier for me to stay up at night.
Still a lot of things that I deal with sometimes when I close my eyes. But just like the hunt and fish. After my encounter though in twenty twelve, I stopped going out in the woods for a while. It wasn't until I think it was twenty twenty or twenty twenty one and I actually went back out and started actually hunting again by myself. Yeah, I'd just like to spend a lot of time outdoors. Grew up in the woods here
in Michigan, a lot of time on the Asabo River. It's where we did a lot of trout steelhead fishing with our parents, And it's deer camps and trout steelhead camps. Is it pretty much fun life? Can't definitely can't complain. Well, it wouldn't do any good anyway, would it not?
At all? Normally doesn't if you started heading back into the woods to hunt and do other things in twenty twenty one, Does that mean that you'd almost gotten back to the point where you're back to normal or did you still have hang ups? Well, the first few times I went out, I kind of didn't want to go out alone. Unfortunately I didn't have my brother to
go out with anymore. A couple other people in my close circle had passed away from various things, so it was just at that point, me and my wife, and needless to say, we never went very far into the woods. Actually, when I was hunting, I hunted over a open field, so I guess I kind of cheated there. But yeah, that's where it is with that. Well, that is kind of in a way cheating, But at least you're getting back out there, and that's all that matters.
I mean, in baby steps. But unfortunately after January and what happened then, did that just knock you off the wagon and all of a sudden you're right back to square one? Or even though you had this encounter in January, are you still in somewhat of a good place without telling us about the details of this most recent encounter, of course, Uh, it's not.
It hasn't hindered me at all, well this year, like you know, it's I guess we all have a destiny, right, so you know, we don't really hear of people being attacked by these things, killed, whatever have you. So I'm not I guess I'm not too worried about that. But no, it hasn't really, it hasn't hindered anything. I don't I don't foresee it. I mean, what happened in twenty twelve that was a lot worse. I think. I don't think anything could get as bad
as that for me. And you know, it took some years, but I still got back to it and now I'm pretty much back to normal. I'd say, well, that's good. Yeah, what happened to you in twenty twelve that was pretty intense. So I can understand you saying that. Do you feel like you're doomed in a way to have dogman encounters for the rest of your life or do you think this second encounter was just a fluke. So I feel like, honestly, once you once you see something and
it really does not matter at all what it is. The human brain is hardwired to pick out things, right, We're like, we find pattern real easy in chaos. I think when you see something like this, whether it's a dog man, a sasquatch, aliens, you know what have you. Once you see it the first time and it's such a life altering, a life changing event, you'll never forget that, right, so you're more keen
to I know this feeling. I've been here before, so you know, now I know what to look for, and so I think that's what it is. If that makes any sense, That does make sense. Anytime you can frame anything to do with these guys after having an encounter, it's a good thing. It kind of in a way helps you to make sense of all this this whole dogma phenomenon. So, like I said, anytime you
can do that, that's a good thing. How dangerous do you think dogmen are, Dwayne, Well, they're an absolute cop predator and they've stayed hidden for so long, so you know, I feel personally that they are extremely dangerous. I feel like being around dog man would be akin to maybe being in the ocean with a bloody leg. Yeah, I feel like they're pretty
pretty dangerous. Well, it's easy to feel that way, but if you think about it, you've been in the woods, who knows how many times around these guys, and you have yet to suffer a single scratch or hear in your head being harmed. So I can appreciate you feeling that way. But when it comes down to it, if they're nearly as dangerous as you think they are, then those facts wouldn't be facts. Yeah, yeah, I guess. I guess you got a point there that actually makes you know,
complete sense. Oh, sure it does. I'm never gonna say these guys are safe to be around, though some people get that twisted. I'm never gonna say dog men are safe to be around, but I do believe in general they get a very bad rap for what they actually do. Yeah, there are dogmen out there that have killed people, and others many more who have hurt people. But as far as as a general rule goes, no, they're clearly not wired to rip you apart as soon as the opportunity
presents itself. Because if that was a case, I wouldn't have spoken with thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses who are caught dead rights but allowed to leave. So yeah, that just couldn't be the case. But having said that, let's get down to brass tacks now. If you don't mind Duwayne. Please tell us about the first encounter you had in twenty twelve, because most of the people listening probably haven't heard that show or they forgot all the fine particulars
of what happened when you had that encounter. And then after you carefully walk us through that first encounter, please tell us about this most recent one. Yeah. Absolutely so. Look, I said a little bit ago. It was twenty twelve, it was November opening, it was opening day rifle season, and my brother, he was working a hay farm. It was his fiance at the time. It was her family's haye farm. So I was up there. We had just lost my grandpa and my dad thirty five days
apart, so just kind of looking for an escape. Alping is two hours north of here, So I went up there to his house and we were doing hay, and we cooked up a deal with a amage homestead. We were going to supply them with some hay for the winter and in turn they would let us hunt a chunk of their property which is budded too and or in the hero On Aynisty National Forest. So we're in. We drove it's about a I'd say about a fifteen fifteen or so mile drive and then it
turns to a dirt road. About five ten miles down the dirt road turns into a two track, and then if I'm not mistaken, it's about ten to fifteen miles down the two track. We were extremely far back, like we were very we were deep in. So we got out and we split our ways. My brother's hunting four hundred yards roughly behind me, and I was using a three hundred short mag just sitting up in my pine tree. I had a little window cut so I could like see right down to you
know, my shooting lanes. And as I was sitting there, it wasn't really nothing happening in the first half of the day, and I started hearing what soun like I heard a deer coming through. So I'm waiting and I get my gun ready and I get it up. Just kind of sitting waiting, I start seeing deer come flash and running in front of me. So I put my gun up and I fixed my scope to where I was going to shoot at. And my plan was I was going to make like a
bleat or some kind of noise and try and get one to stop. And if it was, you know, the biggest one to take it. Well, I never got that chance. They just kept going and going and going, and it's just like I, like I said, I couldn't get him to stop. So I just kept watching, watching, watching. I heard something else coming through the woods, but I heard I guess I should have said this, but about two or three minutes before they actually the deer actually
broke in front of me running through. There was it was like the loudest like screech howl noise. I it was just a terrible, got awful hearing or second I'm sorry, but so anyways, after the deer moved through, I'm still watching out the It was the right corner and I saw a big, old, giant gray wolf just come trotting along. I was like, no way. I put my gun down, just kind of watched for a second and then I picked my scope up, or I picked my gun back
up. I'm watching it through the scope. I absolutely love wolves. I mean, if if we had spirit animals, I would be a wolf. If I could pick it would be a wolf. Well, we don't ever well I guess I can't say ever, but we typically do not have great wolves in the Lower Peninsula. And in episode four, oh nine. I believe I say that we don't get great wolves down here, well, there's been a few in the news recently, so I guess I kind of have
to retract there because we are finding more in the Lower Peninsula. And anyway, so I'm watching it and it just kind of was sniffing around a little bit, and it had put its ears back, called airplane ears. When dogs are sniffing on its something, they put the ears back, and it was sniffing up in the air, sniffing all around. And as I'm watching through the scope, this thing, it was just like stopped and it was had it tied up, sniffing around, just kind of sniffing around like it
was looking for me, looking for something it knew I was there. And then it was like almost like it was looking right at me. And then it just stood up, stood right up. Just at that point I completely froze. I didn't know what the heck to do. This thing. Once it stood up, it was like it knew right where I was at. It locked eyes with me, and it was the most frightening thing that I had ever ever seen in my whole entire Life's something I'll never ever forget.
So once it stood up and I just kind of watched it for a second. It started to like walk around, took a few steps to my left and kind of like paste around, almost like a semi circle, but not so much pronounced, and just kind of kept sniffing sniffing, and it urinated like right at the base of my tree. It was the loudest, most disgusting smell, the most powerful thing. It's disgusting. I don't know if
I mentioned that before, but it was something that you'll never forget. I mean, it's disgusting, but it's just one of those weird you know what I mean, one of those weird things that you just sticks with you. I didn't know what to do, so I fired around because I was scared. I thought I was basically I thought I was done. So I fired around and it didn't do nothing. I fired another, one, another, one, another, one another one, and like I said, I'm using
a big gun, so you know, big gun, big boom. Right. Well, eventually it just kind of went back down, took off, and my brother come over the radio We're using two ways, and you know, just asked me what was going on, asked me if I had gotten anything. I told him no. I asked him if he had seen a great wolf and he said no, and I told him I had seen one. He said, oh no, not down here. Definitely just probably a
big coyote, but definitely not a great wolf. Well, no, it definitely was not a great wolf because it stood up on his back legs. So we my brother he come back over and he said, you know, well, haunting's boat done. Anyways, it's getting dark, let's get out of here. I told him, no, it's just sitting waited out a little bit. I didn't know where this thing went. I didn't know if there was more than one or what. I didn't want to move. I was dang near. I guess I think it's the word ist cat of time.
It right and just frozen in place. But we ended up meeting up and walking out, meeting up, and once we got back to the car, got all our gear off and everything, got in the vehicle and turned around, started driving down the two track, had back out to the main road and off to the right, about ten fifteen yards into the thicket off the two track, we've seen something. It was almost like a well, it was like a light. It was just kind of like in place in
the thick brush area. And once we got a little closer to it, well not like to it, but you know, more parallel to it, we could see it was just there was somebody standing in the middle of this extremely thick brush area, a lot of low hanging trees, just nasty thorn. Somebody was just standing there and it cloaked just something black, dark, dark, dark gray brown. I don't know, it looked black, it was, you know, pretty much dark. Out in their hands, they
were holding what appeared to be a coffee can. And I say that because this coffee can had a fire burning in it, and honestly, what else could you you know, hold that would contain a fire like that, I was than a coffee can. So we just hurried up and boogied out of there. And the next day we you know, we were gonna go back
out hunting again, but decided not to go back to that spot. Well, I chose to hunt over the back forty food plot back behind the farmhouse, and it butts up right to a wood and I was sitting in the shack above the food plot, and there was a bunch of kyotes out and plainly they were just you know, doing coyote things and that same loud, piercing, screeching howl. I heard that again and instantly my heart dropped, My hang doowns hit the floor, and I'm thinking, no way, not
again. So I started seeing movement in the tree line, so I fixed my scope, like, man, I hope it's a deer, but there's a lot of coyotes in the field right now, so I highly doubt it. But I'm watching there's something running running. Then all of a sudden, another one of those dang things bursted out of the tree line and just like just kind of stopped for a second, took off running in the same direction.
So if you were to take just a straight line from where I was sitting over the food plot and do about a fifteen to twenty mile line, that would take you roughly to the same exact patch of woods as the night before. Well back in like back behind all the barns and everything like that, up on the edge of the woodline, directly behind the house the barns in the stable is where we kept, like we put all our gut piles, the fish, small game deer that we killed. We just you know,
put all the guts out there and then we could trap whatever. Well, we had seen massive prints around them, that gut pile. The thing is there were It wasn't like there were four pause as of like you know, if you could picture a wolf bent over eating something obviously has all four feet on the ground. It wasn't like that. It was just two sets and it was pretty much just like all the organs and guts like that,
we're all gone. The heads were left, the tails, eyes, And eventually it was maybe two months later my brother joined the military and never went back to help, you know, And I have never been back there since either. And yeah, like I said, that was November twenty twelve, So that was the first encounter that I had. No one should have to go through anything like that, anything approaching that kind of intensity. Well, yeah, like you said, please when you're ready, transition into this most
recent one, now tell us all about it. Yeah. So I was heading out to my uncle's house. He lives out in Saginaw County, which from my house to his is only about twenty miles, and there was there was like not a lot of snow on the ground, but it was a decent dusting, I guess you'd say. And once I got off the highway and I went through the roundabouts. I could just like feel like it's all right. Off the roundabouts, it's like industrial trucking companies on both sides,
and they go down about a quarter of the way. This road is called Washington, so they go down about a quarter of the way down Washington, and they're on both sides of you out both sides of the road, and then it is pretty much open farmfield on both sides. And once you broke through, like once we once I got past like them trucking companies, it just, I mean, the air just kind of got real thick, like like I mean, I could tell that something was up. I mean,
it just it felt it had that weird distinct feeling. And so driving down the road and uh, I get up to my turn and I turn right. The road is tower Line. Okay, So turn on tower Line and it is all farm field until you get to railroad tracks, which are about I want to say, a quarter to a third of a mile down maybe off to the left, just on the opposite side of the railroad tracks. Off to the left is like a Moult company. Still to the right is
all farm field. So at the railroad tracks. As I turn right on the tower line, yeah, maybe quarter of the distance to the railroad tracks, and my headlights to pick up the silhouettes in the middle of the road, well more so to the right, more so in my lane, I guess, and we're just hunched over eating a turkey. And I only know
that specifically because I'll get to that anyways. Once my headlights actually hit them, it instantly there was two sets so four of the brightest amber color eyes just right, like I said, pretty much right in front of me. So I slowed down real real slow to a creep and pretty much stopped.
And as I was watching them, I couldn't really make him out, like I said, didn't I mean, I kind of knew at that point, but I just didn't want to really, I guess, jump to that, But I also didn't want to hit the gas, and you know, I hope for the best. Well, as I started creeping up a little bit more, I had caught off to the right out of my right peripheral, I had seen something jet right down like the railroad tracks, and at that point, the two that the two sets of eyes that were in front of
me, they also took off running it. I guess I should have said this, I'm at this point now, because I had started creeping up again. I was about twenty yards maybe from the railroad tracks, twenty five yards maybe, and I got up a little bit closer, and these things just like took off. They had pretty much just stood up and turned and headed off, which would be to my right, so they were facing me.
So what they're laugh And when I got all the way to the railroad tracks, I had my windows down because I was listening, because I knew what I seen, So I was listening, and I could hear like running down the railroad, running down the gravel of the railroad tracks, and all of a sudden, it was like an abrupt stop, like a skid. If you picture if you're riding your bike on gravel and you skid the tire and you slide. That's what it sounded like, or if you slide your car
on gravel. And no sooner did I hear that. And I crossed the railroad tracks. I'm just creeping along. I'm doing like maybe five miles an hour, watching out the passenger window, and all three of these things burst
out of the railroad tracks. So between the railroad tracks and the farm field, the first farmfield opposite the tracks, there's about I don't know, maybe ten twenty yards of you know, thick brush that's usually around country railroad tracks, and these things just bursted out of them freaking railroad tracks, through that brush into the farm field. And as they were running parallel to my vehicle,
I'm watching them. There's all three of them were staring right at me and then just no sooner did they what little chunk of wooded area into the field. They were staring at me, and then they turned to the right and took back off, and just like that they were out of sight.
Not a single one of them had a tail. But the one that I I knew, the one that I seen at this point out of my right peripheral, I knew at this point what it was, and I'd put two and two together because he at first there's two of these things in front of me. Now all of a sudden, there's three, and I've seen this thing run this way, so that that one was actually a little bit smaller, but it did have somewhat of a nubby tail, not super long,
but not real short either. If I had to guess, maybe you know, a foot long. But yeah, it was. It was the most eerie because at this point, I mean, there's three of them and there was for this one to take off out of my right peripheral. It to me, it just means that as I was going slow and creeping up, this thing had to have been next to me at some point and I had no idea, and that just it kind of it just kind of really freaked me out. And I mean, there's there's really no other route to take.
There's been there's been a few encounters or sightings in the Zilwaukee Sagona area of Michigan, and the only other route that I could have taken to get me to my destination would have taken me right through the middle of all that, with the Saginaw River on one side and nothing but dark wooded swamp on the opposite side. So yeah, that's that was pretty much pretty much a
reminder of what is really what is really out there? And uh, like I said earlier, you know, once you I feel like once you see one the first time, see one the second time the third time, you know what to look for, you know, the feeling so all of a sudden that that just random You know, bush one hundred and twenty yards away isn't really a random bush. You know, it's an odd feeling. It's it gives you the feeling almost like you're just being watched constantly. But you
know, obviously it can't happen that way. I do believe these things are flesh and blood. So with that being said, a grizzly bear is not going to track you down for your whole life, and you know, make sure that you see it every six months, every six years, every twenty years. It don't work that way. No, it doesn't. Thank Goodness for that too, yeah, most definitely. Oh yeah, it makes it feel quite a bit different when you realize for the first time that you're not
the apex predator out there in the woods, doesn't it? Oh for sure. I mean, you know, our whole lives, you, me, everybody listening. You know, we're taught that in school growing up. Hey, we're at the top of the food chain. You got nothing to worry about. Well, that that lends itself to a false sense of hope. I guess if that's the right phrase. It's I'm real tired. I don't know if that's the right phrase. So please don't judge me if it's not. Oh no, just like with me. I know it's been a long
day for you, So no harm, no foul. Do you think dog men know that they make eyewitnesses even more frightened when they stand up? Dueane, ick you I do. I think they. I think when it comes to that, they're extremely intelligence and they know what they're doing, you know, just like a grizzly bear, a Kodiak bear goes to stand up, and you know, I think most definitely they do. They know what they're doing. It's all, it's all part of it. You're right, these
guys, they definitely do know how to push our buttons. That's one of the unfortunate things about them, one of the many unfortunate things about them. They are experts at pushing our buttons and just playing this like a fiddle unfortunately. Do you have nightmares about dog men, Duane? Yeah, yeah, I still do so after twenty twelve, after that happened, I have one in particular that was happening all the time. I still have it just as
frequently. Usually just me, I'm walking through the woods and like an old cliche, creepy spooky town all abandoned brick and mortar all just you know, crumbled, and I can feel that I'm being followed, and once I get inside like this little town area, there's a little stone bridge over a creek, and I start getting like paste and then eventually chased by a dog man and or a werewolf, I guess whatever is you know in the dream and
nightmare at the time. And I run over the bridge and eventually just get cornered into you know the corner of a little brick building, little brick hut. You know. I run over the bridge and run up and try and you know hide, but eventually get cornered by two of them, and usually wake up right at the very last second, like right before doomsday hits. I usually wake up, Well, thank goodness, you wake up. It's not the worse than having a nightmare like that where you don't wake up.
When you do have these nightmares, though, Dwayne, are they almost always about encounters that you haven't actually had or do you sometimes have nightmares about your actual encounters? So I've I've only had one or two that were about my actual actual actual encounter. But nothing, I mean, everything pretty much after that has been just the wildest, most roller coaster sci fi both crap that
our brains could come up with. I wondered about that. Most eyewitnesses, when they do have nightmares, their nightmares are about encounters that never did happen to them. It really makes you what or what's behind that must be some kind of it. I've definitely had some real outlandish ones. Man. Yeah, they get pretty wild, all bet Yeah, they normally do. Well. The first question for you is from Sonic Boom, and their question is how tall were the dog men? So? Yeah, how are you asking
about the first one in twenty twelve? All of them? So the first one in twenty twelve I've seen, I would have to honestly say, you know, and obviously we don't have meters sticks out in the woods, and we don't usually carry them with us too. You know, hey, let me check and see how'll tell your but uh no, I'll joke aside.
I honestly I think they were about at least seven feet at least. So the one in twenty twelve, the first one she was about And I say she because when it stood up, I see no male genitalia at all. You know, with urricane and you can clearly tell if I had to hang
down. She was about four and a half five feet on all four when she walked in, and once it stood up, it was probably about seven seven and a half feet, And the first two in the road in January, those ones were probably i'd say about seven feet as well, but that the one that was ran off to my right, that one, like I said, was a little bit smaller. I think it's kind of why I caught my attention and stuck out a little bit. But it was a little
i'd say maybe it was about six and a half. But that one was actually real stocky, a lot more stocky than the other ones. So that's a juvenile six seven feet eight feet tall. Yeah, that's pretty young for them. Then it's not until you get up into the nine ten eleven twelve foot range that you get some maturity. Just something to keep in mind. I've got another question for you from Kevin Sampson, and keV wants to know what color was the dog man. I'm not sure which one he was asking
about. Yeah, No, so the first one, like I said, she looked like a great wolf. These other ones, though, they were a lot darker, even the one that I seen the day after my very first encounter, the one that bursted out of the tree line into the plot. That one was a bit darker as well. So I guess I've seen five total, two and twenty twelve and three this last time, and the
last four we're darker. There you go, there's your answer. The next question, I'm gonna twist a little bit to tailor it so that you can answer this. Jeremy Krick wants to know who would win on who would win in a fight, the dog man or a codiac in your opinion, Take the biggest dog man that you've seen, Dwayne, and please tell us, in your opinion, who you think would win such a fight, that dog
man or a CoDIAK. Oh Man, I'd definitely have to say a dog man, just because they seem so nimble and they can move around so stealthily. You would have to be an expert to be able to do something like that, where a bear is just going to be like a bloof from the Jungle Book. Huh. Well, there are some kodiaks out there that are
far from being anything like blue. But yeah, like you said, I mean the speed, and also I don't think a fairly good sized dog mean gives up anything as far as strength to even a kodiac I think even a decent size dogman stronger than a Kodiak. When you look at the feet say've done pushing on the sides of really big fifth wheel trailers. Those things aren't
light making them come up onto the wheels on one side. They do all sorts of other things too that just show clearly that these guys are ridiculously strong. So yeah, I agree. I think I'd have to tip my hat towards the dog me inside. I've got another question for you from Tim Egan, and Tim wants to know can you describe this feeling of the air changed? The vibe changed. I knew something was up sort of feeling. Yeah. So, I mean, if you've never just been in a bad situation
before, it just kind of you know. I unfortunately I found myself in a lot of bad situations growing up, but you just kind of you get that feeling, you know, you pick it up. The hair on the back of your neck kind of stands up like all right, something's not right here. But I'm not quite sure what it is, but I can feel it in the air. I guess it's hard to explain. But that would be the best way that I could I could do it to try and make
sense. Well, there are a lot of things about these guys and your emotions and feelings when you see these guys that are hard to frame. So I think you're doing a really good job of explaining all these things. Though. The next question for you is from Tina Brooks, and Tina wants to know what feature about the dog men scared you most. The teeth The teeth, But honestly, I guess even I guess I can't even say the teeth. It's the feeling, the sense of intelligence when they're looking at you.
You can feel it in their eyes, you can see it. It's just like you know, I guess, it's not just like looking at another human, looking at them in the eyes. You know it's a human. You know they're intelligent, right, It's just the thing we know we're intelligent.
And when they have that look in their eyes, like I know what I'm doing here, you know that you can't be here, you know you shouldn't be here, and it's just all everything is conveyed in them eyes and it's they hold so much and that that is the most frightening part, but after that, yeah, the taste for sure in the claws. All those are
good picks. Yeah, there's just something about those claws and teeth that when eyewitnesses having counters, they're almost always the first thing that they think about and understandably. So it looks to me like Tina's got another question for you. She wants to know. Was the female is intimidating as the meals? You know, honestly, I I'm gonna say no, because at first, yes, but there was just like a grace, a kind of gracefulness, I
guess you'd say about her. I don't know if the other all the other ones I seen were male or not, but that the first, the very first one where you know, I can almost guarantee that it was not a
male. She just yeah, you know, she was scary at first, but once I kind of just got like locked into it and that fright set in and I was just there was just some kind of graceful, calmness about her, Like I knew that intelligence, I knew that ferocity, that strength, that power was there, but you know, it just kind of yeah, I hope that explains I hope that explains that I'm sorry, No,
I think he did a good job of explaining. Normally, when eyewitnesses talk about their encounters and how they played out with male dog men versus females, Yeah, it does normally seem like the encounters with the females don't go as badly as the ones with the males normally will go. I'm not going to say that the ones with the females are always pleasant. I mean, look at episode two fifty seven with Roy and what Herman went through. That was
a female dog woman. So yeah, I mean they can go sideways with them as well. But like I said, normally, the ones with the males are the ones that are the most frightening. I've got another question for you, Duayne from Tina, and this question is what's your personal opinion as to the origin of these creatures? Oh, like I mentioned earlier, I think they're flesh and blood. I think they've you know, they've been here
a whole heck of a lot longer than what we think. I mean, we know that sharks and sturgeon, just even freshwater sturgeon that are here in our little rivers, we know that those can be hundreds and hundreds of years old. You know, shark species have been around for millions of years. I think these things have just been here. And honestly, what I think it is is, I think over time, you know, we had things that called dire wolves, and I mean, I don't know much about them.
I know that they're just giant animals. But I think evolution had a hand in what dog men are today. Well, you might be right about that, It's hard to say for sure. I've got another one for you from Lynn a Lynn eighty one zero five. She wants to know where the years on the side or the top of its head. I'm not sure which
one she's asking about. No, for sure, all of them the ears were pretty much right on top, you know, right on that very top edge crestline of of the skull there, pretty much like any wolfer, a German shepherd. There you go win. The next one is from alexis Ala and Alexus's question is I've heard good and bad encounters. Do you think dog men have personality personalities like humans like you have your mean one, a nice one, and one in the middle. I don't think that they have like
a social construct like that. I think they're just a wild animal you know, trying to stay hidden in an ever expanding world. So I don't think that they they hold you know, levels like that. You're not normally gonna find an overly friendly dog man. There have been encounters that took place where it's hard to describe encounters where the dog man I guess, as far as dog men go, it was as friendly as possible. I guess that's kind of how you could explain it. But yeah, they're never going to come
up and normally be overly friendly towards you. But then again, like Dwayne just said, when you consider how they have to live and what they are and all that, it would be really surprising to see them act that way. So that really shouldn't come as a surprise. I've got another question for you, Dwayne, from Kurt schlickting In. Kurt's question is when the first dog and urinated at your tree stand, did you eat like a male dog or a female dog? So, I'm it was pretty much. I didn't
really I couldn't really see, particularly just from where it was. I mean, you know, my tree, my tree standing in the base is not very big. I didn't have much room to you know, turn to my left and look, let alone did I But it pretty much stayed up until it was done urinating and then went back down. And so I mean it didn't. I didn't see it cock its leg. I didn't see it squat. I've seen it standing. Yeah, I'd be pretty surprised if you told
us that had cocked its leg or anything like that. But they're full of surprises. I guess you never really do know what a dog man's going to do from one moment to the next. The next question is from D Truth, and D wants to know what would have to happen in order for our government to admit dog men existing. I'll answer that one for you. It's never going to happen. They might eventually admit to the existence of sasquatch, but I don't see there ever being a time when they come out and say,
hey, guess what. I just don't see that happening. If you think about the movie Jaws, where at the start of the movie, Chief Brody was talking basically arguing with the mayor of that island where all this took place, supposedly about putting the word out about them having a killer shark on their hands. Well, if you think about how the mayor responded, like you told Chief Brody, he said, I think it's wrong how he responded,
but I can understand his logic by responding the way he did. If you remember, he told Chief Brody, Now, look, it's holidays season on the island here, it was summertime, summer break and being a small island, tourism that's basically how that island paid its bills. Well, he told Chief Brody, Look, if you put the word out that there is a dangerous barracuda in the water, people will say what. But if you put the word out that there's a killer shark, you're gonna have a full
panic on your hands. Well. Yeah, if you let the word out that sasquatch just might be in a woods near you, they probably are in a woods near you, that's one thing that is going to shake people up. But nothing like if they get the word out and officially acknowledge the fact that, guess what, in a forest near you, there's every possibility that something looks like a giant werewolf might be hanging out. If you let that cat out of the bag, then it's going to be pandemonium, It really
is. So with that in mind, and other reasons too that I haven't even gone into. I just don't see there ever being a time when the government's going to allow that to happen and let that cat out of the bag. I've got another question for you, Duwayne from Tim Egan and Tim wants to know, did you hear any sounds or smells during these encounters? And so the one in January, it was just you know, the rotten turkey,
That's all I could really smell. I don't really have the best sinuses, so yeah, I didn't really catch to smell off the ones in January. Here. Some dogmen amid a strong odor, others don't. Others can sneak right upon you without you knowing the same way as sasquatch do this all of the time. Time. I don't think that either sasquatch or dog men stink all the time. I think it's something they can switch on and switch off, like gorillas, for example, having an apocrin gland or apocrin glands
under their armpits their oxsters, that's a medical term for it. And yeah, they can emit that odor from that gland that will And it would just make sense that with sasquatch, with dog men, they could do the same thing too, as opposed to stinking like that all the time, because if they had that strong of a smell all the time, how in the world are they gonna sneak up on deer another game? So if you think about it, it would only make sense. It really does. Now, this
next question from Osriel reloaded, That's what I'm gonna take. He wants to know, do you think they could be sinucephale. There's been a lot of talk when it comes to dogmen about sinucephale. And when you consider that there are two main groups of dog men, can i tes with canid style legs, and then you have type threes that have hominid style legs, hominid style legs with you know, knees and ankles the way we have, and sasquatch
have the keenid types. They have jittigrade style legs, kenid style legs with howks and stifled joints instead of ankles and knees. Well, sign acephal were reported to have hominid style legs. So these dog men that Dwayne's telling us about seeing, they couldn't be sinucephal because of that leg structure. I hope that answers your question. The next question is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to know how do you dog men deal with ticks, fleas, et
cetera. Any information, Scott, We have no idea on how they deal with things like that. Some people can seem to know a lot about sasquatch. They think sasquatch they roll in water that's heavily like, even with sulfur to repel ticks and other pests like that. But whether dogmen do that too, I don't know. I don't know if they drink a lot of water with sulfur in it to combat the tick problem and flees. That's anyone's guess,
So I can't answer that for you, unfortunately. The next question is from Tim Egan again, and Tim wants to know have you saw any professional counseling after all this? Uh? No, no, just from mother Nature. It's probably a good move not to try to seek counseling because you know you can't tell them. If you tried to tell them what actually happened, you're probably going to be in a padded cell. So yeah, not a good move. That's why I kind of tend to call it a prison with
no walls for the people who don't know that. There are people I hear who specialize in this sort of thing, helping dogmen eyewitnesses. It's really a tough spot to be in when you have an experience like that that you would definitely feel better about if you could talk with someone about it, But if you don't know who to contact, then it really is like a prison with
no walls unfortunately. Oh yeah, for sure. And I mean you you alone have been very instrumental and you know, helping me get back out and enjoy the woods again, you know. So, you know, honestly, i'd definitely want to thank you for that and all the people that you've helped, you know. Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, I wouldn't have it any other way. I feel so lucky. I just want to pinch myself to be in a position to be able to help, so, you know,
I feel lucky to be able to do this. I've got another question for you from Adolph Santa Steven Hey, Adolph. Yeah, Adolf was actually a guest on the show about I think about four or five months ago. He's a great guy. His question is how long was it snout? You know, Honestly, I couldn't really tell. If I had to guess, i'd say maybe five six inches. But I was, you know, still
pretty pretty far away from him. I wasn't like right up on top of them to catch every single little ass detail that wasn't little ass detail, by the way, that was little detail. I'm sorry, but uh, you're fine. Yeah, no, I uh, yeah, I'm sorry. I can't answer that any clearer than maybe maybe five six inches. Well, yeah, it's so much going through your mind. You're doing good to know your
own name, though you can't be foulded for that at all. This next question is from Mary, and it's more of a general question I'm going to take. Mary wants to know. I feel like the female dog man mine speak more than me dog men opinions. Yeah, seems like there just might be something to that. Mary. It seems like if mind speaker is reported, it's a lot more common amongst eyewitnesses who see females than males. So
that's pretty astute of you to ask that. I'm impressed. The next question is another general question that I'm going to take from Chelsea Brotherson, and Chelsea wants to know, do you think some people are more predisposed to seeing encryptids. Oh yeah, yeah, that's called being a magnet. And for some reason, some people are some people just attract these things. And yeah, they just see these things sasquatch dog men all the time, almost, I
guess you could say. And then I've got to comment here from Vanessa, She says, Vick, you skip my question. Well, I apologize, Vanessa. Did you type it in all caps? Because I think I've nailed every single question that's been typed in all caps. If you could type it again for me in all caps, I'll be sure to see it now and be more than happy to ask it. All right. The next question would be from Lynn aln eighty one zero five, and this one's for me.
It is, do you think the dog man with ears on the sides of their heads are were wolves? Of me entering into a were wolf? Well, Lynn, I don't believe in were wolves. I'm not going to say they can't exist, because in this crazy world you never really do know what can't exist and what can't exist. But yeah, unfortunately, there are people on shows that care a lot more about lining their pockets than the truth, who are putting out fictitious stories about you can tell a dog man this way
from a dog. I'm sorry, you can tell a were wolf by looking for this anatomical feature versus a dog man having this type of anatomical feed. I'd be very leery about listening to shows like that and taking quote unquote information like that serious, because a true operative of a government program that would have access to information on these guys and operative like that is not going to come
on any of these podcasts and reveal any of that information. It would be way too easy for the government to find out who's doing that, track them down, and it wouldn't go well for that person at all. So that is absolute bunk. When you have a show that puts some charlatan out there who's claiming to be an actual operative of the government, not going to happen
at all. The next question, I guess I should answer that. I think when you see cases of dog men being reported with ears on the sides of their head, and almost every case I can think of, it's always been the case of a type three a dog man with hominid style if the ears were on the sides of their heads. Perfect example, if you go back and listen to episode four. Let's see what episode was at. Yeah, that was for episode four of the show that ear over eight years ago
with Pam. Pam was a guest. She talked about that Type three that she saw that night and it had hominid style legs. Of course, it was a Type three, so naturally its legs are going to be hominid style with knees and ankles. But yes, you reported seeing the ears being on the sides of its head. That's a perfect example also to if you do a search a Google search for the Beast of Seven Shoots, if you take a look at that photo carefully, you'll notice that its ears are on the
sides of its head. And the Beast of Seven Shoots it's also a Type three. It had Homini style legs. So yeah, when you hear about those ears being on the sides of their heads, that's in almost every case that I can think of. Like I said, what you're dealing with, let's find the next question. Going to ask one more here. It's been a long day, so I'm running on fumes. This last question is from Tina Brooks, and Tina wants to know do you feel a certain responsibility to
warn others to the presence of these animals asking you, Duane. Yeah, absolutely, and that's why I reached out to Vic. We'll never get a for you know, like Vic said, will never ever, ever ever get a for certain answer from our trusted elected officials. But it all comes down to us to the public. If you see it, just tell somebody, you know, the more people that know, we get the word out. Everybody knows what to you know, what's out there. Be careful, be
safe, these things are out there. Just you know, you need people, just need to start telling people. Just tell anybody that'll listen, tell the ones that won't listen, because the chances are they're going to repeat your story and it might be in ridicule, but they're going to repeat it to somebody who is going to listen and who's going to take it serious. They'll repeat it and then it'll branch out. And just the more people that know, the say for everybody can be and the more fun we can have.
Well that's all very well said. And so that you know, Vanessa, I look to see if you retype that question, and it looks like you didn't, so I won't be able to answer that question right. Ask that question for you. But having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming back on to update it's on this most recent encounter, Dwayne, I really do appreciate it. No, not problem at all. I do.
And for everyone listening, thank you so much for listening. I really do appreciate you supporting the show and more importantly, supporting the eyewitnesses the way you do. Without you, you've got no idea how much you move the needle when it comes to these eyewitnesses coming to terms with their encounters, and I really can't thank you enough for that. I can't. It's definitely appreciated.
Well, if you've had to dog me an encounter and would like to contact me and speak with me about it, it doesn't matter if you want to be a guest on the show or not. It's really easy to do that. Please go to Dogmanencounters dot com, submit a report, and if you do that then I'll be in contact with you to get that conversation scheduled. But having said that, thanks again so much for listening to the show. I can't thank you enough, and have a great weekend. Good night, MS. English