At a book. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option. To find out how, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so much for joining us for this special livestream episode of the show. If you caught Friday Night Show, you listen to our guest Joe come on and tell us about the horrible Dogman Encounters that she had well on
tonight's show, She's come back to talk about those encounters. I've got several questions I want to ask her, and if you're in the live chat and have questions for her, she's going to be on hand to answer your questions as well. But having said that, without further ado, let's bring Joe on now. Joe, thanks so much for coming back. Hi, Thank you, Vick, Hi everybody. I'm glad that you came back. You
talk about a fan favorite, Joe. When people listen to what you unfortunately were made to bear with your encounters, it really tugged at their heartstrings. When you check out the comments on Friday Night Show, that's immediately evident. So I'm sure you've read through those comments haven't you from that show? I read through those, and I tell you I was crying through most of them, and for the first time, it was happy tears that I was crying.
I don't think I've ever felt that much love and support in my entire life. And there are no words to thank you guys for being such a wonderful group of people. I love you all. I told you they're amazing people, absolutely amazing, and also touching on how amazing they are when they
heard about the situation you're in. You're a living situation. The latest the latest time I looked in on your GoFundMe page, I think the total was four thousand, seven hundred and sixty five, So you're literally this was about maybe half an hour or so ago. You're literally, at least back then, you were only two hundred and thirty five dollars away from reaching that five
thousand dollars goal. I don't even know what to say. All the people out there who have chipped in to help support Joe, and also people who who didn't have the means to chip in and give a donation, but you supported her with your words and support. I don't know what to say. I just don't know what to say. All I can say is thank you so much. I've been telling Joe about how amazing you are and how supportive
you are, but I just couldn't do it justice. The only thing I could do to give her a taste of what I was talking about was just to let her see with her own two eyes what I was telling her about you. And Wow, like I said, I just I don't know what to say. I can't thank you enough. Thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. Joe. For anyone who missed Friday Night Show, can you give them a brief rundown on why you came on the show in
the first place. I came on to talk about a dog man encounter that actually was more than one time. It kept coming back, I guess to torture me, to stalk me, and in the end I felt to hunt me. And I had kept it in pin and for all these years, and it was just eating me alive. I didn't know what it was called. I didn't know if it was a demon from hell. I didn't know
if it was awarewolf. But I thought those rolling in the movies, and I started hearing about people like you who had podcasts and they were calling them dog men, and so I started listening and learning and it, I mean, it just lined up that, you know, all of the descriptions that they were saying. I was going, God, that is really what it was. And so the fact that I could put a name to it helped
quite a bit too. And then just listening to more people share their encounters and how they were doing well and dealing with it, and they weren't feeling the shame of saying anything. They were being brave and sharing it, you know, not being afraid to say something and have somebody make fun of them. And they all were wonderful and they'd made me feel a lot stronger about doing it. And then I had the wonderful, wonderful chance of meeting with
you, and you were so great and supportive. And that first night, as I was telling you, you know how terrified I was, and I was afraid I was going to have another nightmare that night because we were talking about it. You said, I'm going to tell you something. I want you to listen. If it wanted to kill you, it would have done
it. And you just kind of made me have to sit back and go, well, yeah, I guess walking around in total fear all the time is kind of overkilled, because you're right, it would have got me already. And that was kind of the start of my healing. And then you introduced me to a wonderful angel named Anne who worked with me on it and is going to continue teaching me how to do lucid dreams so I can take control of those nightmares and get on top of that too. And I just
felt like I was maybe having a chance at a new life. And then with everybody's wonderful contributions that they've done, I know I'm getting ready to have a new life. So I may be living in a house that's not slowly killing me and my daughter, and maybe we can even get back part of our health. And it's all thanks to you wonderful people. Thank you so much, and thank you vic. Oh you're welcome. You're more than welcome.
I told you how wonderful they are. I told you, and again everyone listening who has given support to Joe, like I said, whether it's financial and supportive by your words the comments you've been leaving, or if it's been a matter of just leaving supportive comments. I can't thank you enough. I just I, like I said, I just don't know what to say being thank you so much. Here we are less than forty eight hours away from that show, and here we've already almost met her goal of five thousand
dollars. She said that she thought she would only need two thousand, but it's always more expensive to move to do things like that than what you expect. So I thought, for Unforesenes, I thought, well, maybe it would be best to post a goal of five thousand. And I thought, okay, that's a lofty goal. But here we are less than forty eight hours away from that, and we've almost met that goal already. I mean,
wow, I just I don't know what to say. I really don't know what to say, except for, like I said, thank you so much. I really appreciate it. So yeah, I'm going to beat a dead horse there, I admit it, but I can't. I'm going to thank you again too, But I just really appreciate you supporting her the way you have. And I think that was your wisdom, Vic for sitting that at five thousand, because like I told you, that seemed so lovely for me to even ask for that, But I didn't I don't have a refrigerator
or a stove, or a warsher or dryer. They came with this house, and both the worsher dryer has needed repairs, and she told me too bad, and so I always wonder if they're going to keep working. But the house that I'm wanting to move into doesn't have them. Well, I thought, if I sold enough at my furniture, I could buy a refrigerator that I could use my electric skillet, my crop pot and my little toaster
oven and make that as a stove. And then it started hitting me, I might have enough left over if this thing really went to five thousand that I could buy maybe a cheap refrigerator and cheap stove and a worsher and dryer so that my daughter who's filling ill wouldn't have to be trying to go to a hot laundry mat and do it. I think you guys have blessed us to the point that that's going to maybe be possible, you know, when
we hit the five thousand. So thank you again, and thank you for your looking ahead Vick and knowing that I had no idea how expensive things were. So it's just been amazing and I think I have found somebody to help move me for fifteen hundred and so it's all going to just every bit of it's going to be used for this. And thank you so much, guys, it's been so much fun listening to peace after peace just fall into place in your life. When we first had that first conversation, afterwards it sounded
like you're doing pretty well. And then as I would check back in on you, you were doing well when you're awake, but when you would try to sleep, you have those nightmare issues. And that's why I referred you over to Anne. Joe mentioned Anne and what she's doing helping Joe learn how to lucid dream so that she doesn't have to deal with these horrible night tears anymore. And I guess some would be considered nightmares, but that's bad enough
anyway as it is. But Ann is a living testament to the fact that not all angels have wings. I mean here she takes her own time to help by witnesses out for me who have a lot of trouble with night tears, dogged me and related nightmares and whatnot, and turns that around so that these eyewitnesses can sleep and as Joe will tell you. I checked back in with her the first night after she had that long conversation with Ann. How long did you two talk that first time time? Yeah, three and a
half hours. Three and a half hours. Well, yeah, I mean, no wonder you slept so well, because when I checked in on you the next day, you said you slept like a baby. I think, Actually, wasn't that the night The morning when I sent you a message and I woke you up, you were still asleep. I was still asleep. My body had finally thought, oh, we can sleep, and I was loving it. But it's okay since it was you, I thought. I thought, on no, here, she's sleeping like a rock. And I
woke her up sending her a message. But yeah, I'm glad that you're You're back to sleeping the way you should now. Thank goodness for that. Just knowing that when you're awake, you're good to go. When you're asleep, now you're good to go. And before you know it, you're going to be moving into your You say you found a house, Well, like I keep telling you, it's your house. Before you know what, you're
going to be moving into your house. Now. I had to keep saying a house, because I wasn't sure I was going to pull it off, but I can now I can call it mine. That's right, that's right, it's your house. Now you've got the means to move in. It's just a matter of time before you're actually in it and away from the horrible problems with that black mold and that horrible landlord you have to deal with, which I wasn't going to touch on this. This is a question that's one
of those take it or leave it deals. Joe, there's no pressure to answer this, but I'm sure from looking at all the comments that have been left in reference to Friday Night show, I'm sure you've noticed all the comments
from people hoping that you go after that landlord to sue. Now, there's no pressure, like I said, to answer this, but if you do decide that you want to pursue some type of legal action, just let me know and I could put the word out to see if anyone that listens to the show might happen to be an attorney based in Kansas who might be able to help you, who might be interested in helping you. That would be wonderful because after reading everything everyone was saying and I'm such a passive person.
It really takes a lot for me to get up in your face, so to speak. But you know, they were all back in me and saying, hey, you can't let her get by with this. And so I do plan on contacting an attorney. I'm going to see how much I have left over on the GoFundMe to get me started with it. As one listener said, and it's so ring home. You know, she's wanting me out of here, and she's wanting to sell it now. She's wanting to sell this death trap to somebody, and what if they have kids and things that
would even succumb to that black mole even faster. I can't let that happen. You know, I was a patient advocate. I stood up for people as a nurse. I'm still going to do that now. I'm not going to let her hurt anybody else. I'm just not going to let her do it. Good. Thank you everybody support. Good for you. I'm so glad you're going to do that. But you know, there could be certain circumstances where you might decide that's not your best interest. I mean, I
don't know. There are a lot of things about your life that I don't know that might be affected by you trying to do that. So that's why I was trying to hammer home the fact that you know, if you want to comment yeah, your name, it's totally up to you on that. But moving forward, Joe, when we spoke for so the first time, I focused on trying to resolve those issues you're dealing with when you were awake. Like I said a bit ago, please tell us about the kinds of
problems you were dealing with though when you're awake. Before we spoke that first time, oh ooh, okay, I had just constant Trump in my head, just thinking about it all the time. Even if I was like involved watching a movie, I would notice that thought was coming in. You know, are you have you made sure all the doors are locked? You know, are all the curtains pulled? Are you close enough to window that maybe it could get your scent? I mean, it was terrible the changes that
I went through after this happened to me. You know. It was that I went and bought a house on contract so that I could make changes to it. And one of the first things I did is it it had two beautiful trees on either side of the sidewalk up onto the porch. I had them cut down. I hated that they were beautiful shade, but I was afraid it would come down out of the tree and land on me and kill me. I couldn't even stand that's there. I had four locks on every
door. I had six locks on every window. Even though I knew it could come through, I thought maybe it would slowed down enough I would hear it and maybe get my daughter running the other direction. I had there called blackout curtains for people who you know, work nice and have to sleep during the day. I had those up on everything in my house, and they were pulled shut all the time, so that maybe it couldn't see, like my shadow of where I was walking. But more than likely it could have
done it with the scent or even their sound. The way the ears turned independently of each other. It was just like it had unbelievable stereo sound and its hearings, so it probably would have heard me. But I had those pulled all the time so that maybe it couldn't see and come through that way. My daughter, bless her heart, she knew she couldn't play outside. We didn't decorate our house at Christmas times. That would have us outside.
We didn't go out and make a snowman. That would have us outside. My daughter, she's forty four now, and if I would say the words to her right now, quickly and quietly, she would kind of give a little shudder. And that's because she knew I was terrified of the night. Therefore she became terrified of the night, which is sad. And I when we ever started to get out of the car, I would look at her and I would say quickly and quietly, and she'd say it with me.
And how many little kids do you know? They can get out of a car and run up to the front door and never make a sound. That's how good she was at it. And she would get between me and the door, and she knew her job was to look around my side to tell me if something was coming. Can you imagine what that would have done to her had she saw that dog man coming what it looked like. But she was the only alarm I was going to have. And I was reaching around
her to unlock the door. So if it it came and attacked, it got my body first, and maybe it would leave her alone. Maybe somehow she could she could get run, you know, run and be free of it. I mean, it was it was just awful. You know. I took jobs that didn't pay as much as a nurse because I had to have like doctor our nurses, so uh exees me doctor hours as a nurse so that I could be in before dark. It just took over everything with
my mind. It was so sad and you know, and I it just got where it was almost this reflex for me to think about those things, and it almost made me, you know, like a compulsive disorder where I had to keep going back and checking the locks, checking the locks, and make sure before I could even lay down and sleep. I had nine to one one. I think they thought I was kind of crazy. But we set up a code and they had a word and my name was up there
by the phone. If I called and said this word, they knew the address, and they knew that I was being attacked and probably was going to be being killed, and so they were to send somebody quickly. I didn't even want to be on the phone long enough to be describing that. I wanted to be grabbing my daughter and I had a little place out in a closet I had put to try to pull things in front of us, and I went in there with her and they knew where they would find us.
It was just terrible. Seasonal depression set in. Why because in the wintertime it gets dark quicker, and so my anxiety level would just go up that way. I mean, I had to to fight it more, and I went to the doctor. I started having panic attacks. I couldn't breathe. Oh, they were horrible, and they'd make you feel numb, like you were going to pass out. And I thought, boy, I can have this happening. I've got to, you know, be alert all the time
for my daughter's safety. And so the doctor put me in an antidepressant. It really wasn't happened or it wasn't really helping, and I didn't want to go up on a higher dose. So he asked me to go see, you know, somebody for outside counseling. So I started that and they did a test on me for PTSD and he came back in and looked at me kind of funny, and he said, have you ever done any service? And I said service? He said, like army navy. I said no,
sir. He said, huh, you score high enough on as a PTSD like someone who's seen a live action like you've been exposed to areas that your life could have been threatened for a long period of time. You were on a high alert. He said, can you tell me why that is?
And I said, no, sir, I cannot because, if you guys, remember on Friday night when we talked about it, my boyfriend and I made a vow, we made a pinky square to never tell anybody about it because they think we were crazy or maybe it would bring it back to attack us. And so I couldn't tell him, and so he got really upset with me and said he was going to quit seeing me if I didn't open up, and I said, well, I'm sorry, I can't.
So he wrote on my diagnosis battered wife syndrome, that wasn't the case at all, that I couldn't you tell him what it was, And so he contacted my doctor and he was saying, oh no, that's not that's not her. I know her. Now you got it wrong. If you guys, remember on Friday night, I told you the hair would stand up on the back of my neck and it was like my body learned. Oh no, it's coming. I would still get that, and I would automatically just go no, no, no, no, no, you know, and
I'd be looking around frantically. I wouldn't see it, but something told me that it was still around. It was still keeping tabs on me, and I wasn't sure why it wasn't coming on up and you know, making itself known like it had. But I often wondered if he showed up to see our daughter, would that make it mad like it did when he grabbed my arm, because I saw the change in its eyes that night. It was anger, and I told him you could never be within ten feet of me.
I think it will attack us. I'm not sure why, but I just don't think it likes you at all. And so, you know, she grew up telling people that she never saw her mom and dad in the same room ever, and it's probably one of the few kids that can say
that from a broken home. But they never did. And so the fact that I felt like it was watching me, you know, from a distance, I think also played into me starting to have the panic attacks they started having because I didn't know when it was going to decide, Okay, that's long enough, I'm coming but thank god it didn't. And so that's how it has affected me and still had you know up till now, you poor thing. No one should have to go through all that. That is absolutely
horrible. I'm so glad that you came to terms with your encounters, But how easy or difficult was it for you to come to terms with them after that first conversation or two we had. Oh well, I forgot one other things, if you bear with me here. Also during that time, I started contacting different faiths and asking, you know, Catholic priest, that, Baptist pastors, Pentecostal pastors, you know, have you guys ever known anything like this? Could this be some kind of a demon, because remember I
hadn't met you and had the term dog man. Yet I had them coming over. One did exorcism on the house. One tried to do an exorcism on me because I told him I had heard the words when I was first starting to look up at it. If you look at it in the eyes, it's going to come into you. So I didn't know if that was possession or into the house. They were, you know, anointing the windows and doors with oil, saying maybe it couldn't pass across that. Now they
had me wearing cross necklaces, across bracelets, cross rings. I mean, I was trying everything I could think of to help, and you know, praying protection over. I was burning sage every week in the house, so I you know, I had every avenue. And so then after I talked to you and you gave me that insight about you know, I'm kind of overreacting now. I'm it's my own worst enemy because of it going to kill me. It would have done it. It was kind of hard for me
to think I had been mountain climbing a molehill all this time. But this guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. Could it be that simple? Could I be able to actually do that? And I don't know that. There's something about your voice, and I'm sure your listeners think that too. It's so calming and it's so soothing that you know, you're just like a warm blanket being put on somebody that's just shaking from a chill they can't
get over. And I thank you for your your kindness and your patience. It comes through and your voice and in your actions. And that first night when I actually got some sleep, I was amazed, and I couldn't wait to tell you that next day. Hey, I got sleep, I didn't have a nightmare. I don't remember the last time I could have said that.
And I just want to thank you again because you know, that's what killed my ex husband, is that every time he tried to go to sleep, he'd see those green glowing eyes, you know, bearing it right into his soul. And that's why he would drink, you know, or get wasted on pills. And it killed me for and I just wasn't about to let that happen to both of her parents, and so I put up with the nightmares. But I don't have to now, thank you, and thanks
to Ann. That's right. You definitely don't have to you don't. Yeah, please don't forget that either. When you first spoke with a promise, Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say? I said, I promise you I will not forget great. Yeah, I hope you never do, that's for sure. Due to the problems Jill was still having with nightmares and night tears, that's why I referred her over to Ann. If it was just a matter of okay, I think she can beat these nighttieres and nightmares.
With a little bit of time, I would have just left it that and had confidence that, Okay, she'll get better. But yeah, from what you told me about the problems you're having with those nightmares and night tears, I thought, yeah, there's definitely a problem here where she needs some serious help to overcome this. You told us that you had nightmares and night tiers, but you didn't tell us what the nature of the night tears were or the nightmares. Please go into detail on that for us, Oh boyd
okay, I'll give you example. I have a few of the nightmares until it gets to where it's hard for me to talk about it. One of them was that I would seem like I was outside, I was busy doing something and I had forgotten the time, and it was getting dark on me, and I was trying to throw and put everything up and try to get into the house. And it seemed like the harder I tried to get there,
the quicker it was becoming dark. You know, at the further way the house seemed to be getting I wasn't making it to it, and I was giving it everything I had, And I got up to the front door, got my hand on the doorknob, and it landed on the porch. With the left hand, it pinned me down from the shoulders up. It took its feet with the claws, and it buried it in to my you
know, my left thigh, so it had me pinned there. And then it leaned over me and with the right hand the claws, it ripped my abdomen clear open, and as I'm laying there screaming, it reach in pulled my intestines out and started eating them in front of me. That would be the type of that. The next time it might be my liver, but it was always I was being eaten alive, and it was loving it.
Another one would be that I was going in to my bedroom to put laundry up, and I always had little nightlights in every room at night so that my daughter and I could see. And you know, like I said, the windows weren't going to let any kind of light in. And I would be going in there with some laundry, was going to put it up in my chest of doors, and I took and put the laundry up on top
of it so I could open up a drawer to put it in. And I realized, oh my god, I just set the laundry onto something that shouldn't be up there. What is this kind of hard? And so I leaned forward in the dark to look, and I recognized the shininess of the claws. It was its feet. It was standing up on top of that, and it wrenched down and pulled me up by the throat, clear up to where I was hanging in the air, eye to eye with it, and it looked at me for a minute, and then it just bit in
and ripped my throat out. That was another one that seemed to hit me all the time. Another one was I would wake up in my bed, but you're still asleep, but you think you really woke up, And as I would look over in the corner would be two those yellowish green eyes glowing and shining up quite a bit, and I would realize that it was in the room, and so I would start screaming. And then I would actually
be waking up and I would turn on the light. The light switch was right above my head and it wasn't even there, And then I realized it wasn't in the bedroom with me. That I had just you know, dreamed
that it was, so that that would kind of scare me. Another one was that it's like I was in an old, abandoned western town of some sort and it was chasing me, and there wasn't anybody else around, and I was running into buildings and trying to hide in different things, and all of a sudden, it would be ahead of me, and I would think,
oh my god. So I would turn around and I would start running the other way, and it would be in front of me again, and I would go cut and I thought, is it trying to wear me out? And I'm going back and forth and each time, you know, I got lesser and lesser with the amount that I was being able to run to until it was almost pinning me down. And then at the last minute two of them walked out. I realized it hadn't been just one that I was
trying to outrun the whole time. It was two, and they'd been playing games with me, just kind of feeding on my fear like an appetizer before they jumped me. And then that's when both of them would jump on me and just start ripping me up. I mean, the pain was just unbelievable of being just to our part while you're still there, and that's kind of the essence of them, and I'm starting to shake pretty hard, So I'm sorry. I don't think I can say anymore right now. No, that's
okay, I totally understand. Please don't, for anyone listening, please imagine for a second what it would be like to know when you go to bed every night that that is waiting for you. That's why I'm so glad that End's there and is so interested in helping people the way she does. Someone asked in the comments section, well, what's End's last name? Why I don't put that out there. I'm not too sure that she would want me
to put it out there, so I don't. But yeah, like I said, she is living proof that not all angels have wings because she really is a miracle worker. I don't know how she works for magic, but time after time with eyewitnesses who've had a lot of trouble with dog Man related night tears and nightmares, what she does teaching them and teaching you to Joe how to lucid dream. It works time after time. It works. So
why ask why? I'm just so glad that she is there and she does what she does, thank goodness, teaches you to realize, Hey, this is a dream I'm dreaming. I could become in charge of this. Now I'm the big bad wolf Inness and I can control you, and that is really empowering. You know, that's great, That is great. Yeah, nothing to fear then, So that's understandable. Joe, you told us Friday night that as a kid you weren't allowed to express emotions the way most kids
are allowed to. Did growing up that environment suppress your fear response in your opinion, Well, I would guess so, because I never thought that I could even become afraid. There I was taught was a weakness. There was something that girls do. You know, guys don't do that. Guys are strong, Guys are tough, Guys are worth something. And so I tried real hard, Like I said, that's why I quit going by choice to Joe. You know, I was trying so hard to show that I had
worth and I could be just as tough as them. So it probably did suppress it in a way in the fact, by the way of since I didn't learn when I was young how to deal with it appropriately, that when it did start happening to me, I was at well, you know,
I was lost. I had no healthy ways of dealing with it. So at that point it probably was four times or five times as bad as it would have been for somebody that you know, Mom and Dad rocked them on their lap and said, you know, there's nothing to be afraid of them right here. You know that's normal. I didn't get those things, So yeah, I think it definitely a affected everything about the fear aspect of it.
Oh, I'm sure it did. And like I've told you several times before, I'm so sorry you had to grow up experiencing things like that. That is horrible. In fact, that reminds me of the one story you told me about the time when you went home and asked your mom if she loved you? What story behind that? If you don't mind putting that out
there. I had gotten off this gold bus and I noticed a lady giving her daughter a hug, and she said, I'll see you later, I love you, and gave her a kiss on the forehead, and the little girl said I love you, and I thought, now, wait a second, I've never been told that that I'm loved. My mom's never said that
to me, and it bothered me all day. And so I went home and I walked up to her, and I was like ten at the time, and I said, I saw something today and I told her, and I could tell she was kind of getting a little agitated with me, and I said, I was just wondering, do you love me? And I started to kind of look up at her, and I didn't even see it coming. Man, she hit me so hard across the right side of my
face. I guess it was open hand, I don't know, but my head went to the left so hard it felt like it sprung my neck. And she said, how dare you insult me like that? How dare you You have clothes on your back, you have food in your stomach, and you have a bed to sleep in. If I didn't love you, you wouldn't have any of those things. How dare you hurt me that way?
How dare you say that? And I felt so bad that I had hurt my mom uh that way, you know, by being a horrible person and hurting her that I actually grew for the way I treated her for probably two weeks, and so I just never questioned anything after that. It. You know, I knew one time this probably sounds bad to everybody, but I kind of knew what the emotion hate felt like if I got physically hurt. You know, my mom would laugh. She thought it was funny, and
I would hate that. I would hate she did that, but I didn't think I hated her. Well, when I was four, I saw on a neighbor's TV and that you could hang a stocking up at Christmas time and you get all kinds of candy. And that was something I didn't get, and I thought wow. So I went home, and you know, I wasn't dumb. I wasn't going to get one of my little socks. I was going to get one of my dad's socks. Now, I was going
to have candy for the whole year. He had a size twelve foot And they asked me what I was doing, and I said, I'm going to have a stocking full of candy. You know, Santa brings that to you. And they're all looking at each other, kind of funny. Well, I didn't realize that they were poor and they didn't have money to get me a candy to fill up a sock. They didn't have money, which is why we didn't have a Christmas tree and we didn't celebrate Christmas. You know,
I didn't know that back then. I thought it was from somebody that could afford it, I guess, you know, or he just magically made it. So I put the stocking up against the front door, and I got up the next morning and I went running out there and this stocking was stretched, Oh my gosh, so full. And I looked up at my mom and my oldest brother. I told you was always giving me a hard time, and I had this big smile and they're trying not to giggle.
And that should have been a warmant. But I grabbed it and turned it upside down and started shaking it expecting all of this, and out flew potatoes and black eyed beans that weren't cooked, jet cigarettes, cigarette lighter, some rocks, you know, just strange stuff. I mean, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And I stopped and I'm looking at that and I'm looking up kind of confused, and they are just laughing, you know, like holding their side laughing. And I think that's the first time I ever
felt the emotion hate, actually hate somebody, you know. I hated that they thought it was so funny that I wasn't good enough to get, you know, the candy and my brother said, see, even Santa doesn't like you because you're a girl. And I went back and got in bed and I just I don't think I even got out the rest of that day. I didn't even want to eat. So emotions when and I did have them, they weren't healthy, they weren't good, and so it really did mess
with me. It really did. Well, it's understandable why I did mess with you. Shame on her, shame on your appearance for treating you the way they did. That is just horrible. And for her to get a tiff into a tiff the way she did when you quote unquote have the nerve to ask her if she loved you, well, that's a testament right there
to why you asked her her response, Yeah, that's horrible. And one of the reasons why I asked you to lay that out for us is to set up the opportunity to basically help the listeners understand where you are coming from compared to where you are now. You haven't really been shown all that much at all in the way of love and support, but now you've got tons of love and tons of support from the dog man community. As you can see, there are tons and tons of people that are supporting you from all
sorts of different countries. You've got people listening in Bangladesh to you talk about your experiences. China, Wow. Yeah, Australia, You've got people listening to you, and every continent except for Antarctica. So you've got love, You've got support. Now please never forget that. Nice have no idea what this means to me. This You have shown me more love in the last forty eight hours than I've had put together my entire life. Thank you so
much. I'm just going to be so amazed when that hits five thousand. Oh my god, I told you this, you did. They're amazing. When you don't grow up feeling that, it's hard to imagine that, you know. And I think that's one reason why I loved being a nurse so much, because you know, I could be there for people and show kindness and things and they appreciated it so much. And them, you know,
giving me a hug and saying thank you. They didn't know it, but they were kind of meeting a need in my heart too, you know, because I was being shown kindness back and it was wonderful. Definitely is Yeah, I just keep hammering home the fact that you're not alone. Now, you've got support, You've got love. These people wouldn't support you the way they do and are if they didn't feel that way about you. So yeah, like I said, please never forget that. It looks like I've got
the first question for you from the live chat. Are you ready to start answering them? Yes? I am all right. Great. The first one is from Mars Stall and mar wants to know, Joe, are you going to be able to take all of your furniture with the black mold? Well, I know one of you guys warned me that it could be on some of the furnitures, So I'm going to ask somebody from the health department to come and examine it with me and see if I have it. If I
do, no, i won't be taking that piece of furniture. I'll leave it here for her to enjoy. With the mold in the house, and the ones that are okay, I will go ahead and take. And I didn't even realize it could get on furniture. You know, I planned on selling my furniture to try to be able to move in there, and I would have felt so bad if I sold somebody something with black mold. So I appreciated the listener telling me that, and that's how I'm going to deal
with that. Good question. Thank you, That is a good question. The next one is from Queen of Ocean, and Queen wants to know how far out in the country were you. We didn't have these encounters five miles. It was exactly five miles to our farm. Yeah, that's pretty far out there. Her next question is what state was this in? Please? Thank you, the state of Kansas. And that's why I asked if there are any attorneys listening who are based in Kansas who might be interested in taking
this case up against that awful landlord, the slum lord. That's why I asked about that. I live in southeast Kansas and I'm about one hundred and ten miles from the Oklahoma border. It's a lot of country around there. Oh yeah, I've got another one for you from Baby Girl, and her
question is do you think that dog man was jealous of your boyfriend? You know, I wondered about I don't know if it was like jealousy that didn't like me, but I think that it had determined that I was it, you know, I belonged to it so that it could torture me, so it could enjoy the fear. And when he grabbed a hold of me, You're right, that's when the look changed. And that's when it was coming. You know, it was coming through the side of the house where it
could have just come through the window before. So yeah, it definitely changed its motive at that point. That's why I always made sure the hen I were never around each other again, because I saw that change. Like I said, I don't think that it was jealousy. It was just anger that it was. He was trying to take its toy that he messed with to get fear so he could enjoy it. Yeah, pretty sadistic, but that's how it goes with these guys. Like I've been explaining to you, that's
par for the course. This next one is from Cynthia Cole, and Cynthia's question is, Joe, do you think you'll get a dog? Now? As you already know, pitt bulls are protective and big goofballs too. Yeah, that they are. It may help you to heal from this trauma to get a dog. You know, my daughter and I were talking about that last night and I am proud to tell everyone that she knows a guy that his dog just had puppies three weeks ago, and so in another three weeks,
we're going to have a new addition to our home. And it is part sitz. I don't even know how to say it. I've not been around that many dogs and uh, part Pomeranian. So I hope that's a cute mixture and it won't be that big. So I guess you could bite the toes of a dog man, but maybe it went at least alertist that it's there. But yes, we are going to try that experience. That's
funny, like the toes. Yeah, that it could. I was going to ask you this question later on, but now that we're talking about getting a pet, getting a dog, I'm going to post this comment. Joe Daniels put a comment up that says, Joe, if you get a support animal slash pet slash baby, can you call it vic that's funny? No, what this the one she's talking about is a little boy. You know, I think we will do that. You're going to have a Yeah,
if you get in trouble, we're gonna say Victor. It's not that sounds like a plan. That's funny. That's too funny. Never a doll moment. Yeah, my cousin who's old enough to be my uncle, were actually a father. He used to tease me because he used to say there was a dog named Vic that was around the family had before I was even born, that I was named after. I wasn't. But yeah, this has given me flashbacks. He used to tell me that all the time, all
the time. But now that we're sharing comments, Jessica Weyles has a comment. She says, Joe, you've just adopted a huge family, or maybe we've adopted you. I wanted to make sure you knew about that comment. That's awfully nice of her. That is so precious. Oh my gosh, thank you, sweetheart. You guys are wonderful. How about we just all adopt each other. I don't want to lose you. Guys know that I've
got you. I told you they're incredible. You know, I just never dreamed people were that way, because if your own family isn't loving toward you, how can a stranger be. Yeah, you've taught me that they but they are. That's right, they are. They're just good people out there, and that's all there is. To it, So why ask why? I always say, I've got another question for you from Andre's cairasales and Andres wants to know. Have you listened to the Roy steubble Field episode or episodes?
The first one is episode two fifty seven? What happened to Herman? Was it like that for you? Very thankful that your family. No, I'm sorry, very thankful that you're finally healing and sleeping. Well, you know I have listened to that program. As a matter of fact, I've had the privilege of speaking with Roy on the phone because I wanted to ask him about Herman. That is so amazing that you brought that up. And
yes, it was a lot like that, only with Herman. He didn't get the help that he needed in time, and he continued to go down and down and down until he committed suicide. I don't know if you guys know that or not. Yeah, and that has really hit Roy hard. Course, what could he do. He didn't know him, you know, before that night, and he helped getting back to his mom's house. I mean, he did what he could do. But you know, some people,
it just affects some words. And I'm telling you, if that dog min would have nailed me down into the gravel like that and not had a window between us and been on top of me and looking at him that way. And he said they didn't have it on the show, but it actually bent its head down and went forehead to forehead almost with him look at him in the eyes that close. Now you think about the influence that they have when they lock eyes with you. Who knows what thoughts it put into his
head. You know, I just my heart breaks for him. It just breaks. So he had it ten times worse than I did. You know. I thank god that I was never on the same side of the window. I do too, But other things go into it, you know, your emotional makeup and things like that, certain things the dog man does do or doesn't do. So it's really hard to say. You can have factors and make it seem like this person over here wouldn't have been traumatized to the
point that this person over there was. But yeah, those things, those metrics I just mentioned, It makes it so you never really know how strongly someone's going to be affected by their encounter. It's just really hard to say. All I can say about that matter is I really wish I could have spoken with herman before he committed suicide. I really do well he would have prevented it, Vick, I really do. I hope. So yeah. I've spoken with eyewitnesses who had it even worse than him, in situations that
were even more tense than that attack victims. So and they're doing okay now. But I should have, could have, would have. It's just too late to help him. But moving on, I've got another question for you, Joe from Angie Wilson, and Angie wants to know, do you know for sure that the sewage and mold was removed. You know, you guys also had to be banking on that when he first came and said, oh my god, you're so right. That's like two and a half three foot
deep in there, and he's like measure with his hands. He said, it's going to take us some time to get that all removed and disposed of, and then that area is going to have to dry out. We're going to replace the broken sewer pipe, We're going to treat and get rid of the black mole, and then you know, we're going to let that all air out. That'll be at least five days, and then you'll be able to come back. He came back. He started at nine o'clock on a
Monday morning. He came over to the neighbor's house at one point thirty the next afternoon and said that they could move my recliner back. They moved my recliner over there so I could sleep because I can't lay flat with my breathing difficulties now. And the lady I was there with said, now, wait a second. You're telling me that you have that all done. And he said, yes, we worked overtime, and she looked at him kind of funny, and she said there were two of you. And he said,
we did a good job. And he looked at me and he said, I want you to know that you were right about everything. And he's looking me right now. Everything you said was right, and I'm so sorry about your health. And when he left, she said, isn't that kind of weird he did that? And I said, yeah, but you know, she told him you can't take her chair today. I don't feel right about it. He said, okay, well we're done. We'll come back and get your chair and move you back tomorrow morning. And I said, well
okay, and she just kept saying there's something wrong. So you know, I got thinking about that. There's no way that they could have got that all out, just two of them that much. There's no way they let it dry. And then as I was talking to Vic, I hope this is okay. I say this Vic about him putting the lie on the black
mold to kill it. VIC looked it up and informed me the why doesn't kill black and I was really and he said, you know, you probably shouldn't need to be smelling the lie because we came back and our eyes were burning, you know, our throats were burning, our nose was burning. And I told her, I said, well, that must be the lie killing it. But I think it was just added, you know, things in the air that we were smelling. But whatever he did killed the scent.
We haven't smelled that sewer scent, so I think they probably did something to cover it up. And that's why she's winning me out so fast, so she can sell it to somebody else that's unsuspecting. And that's why as soon as I get my things out and i'm in that place, I'm going to start getting someone to move on this, get an attorney, because I think if I started it before I have my things. I think she probably would have a bunch of people come in here and throw my stuff out on
the front lawn and I am not physically able to stop it. She has a lot of power in this town, I mean to say that, because she owns a lot of rental properties here, so she has a lot of control. So yeah, I think it's a cover up. I really do. Oh, I'm sure it was in more ways than one, putting that lie on top of the black mole to try and cover it up. Yeah, that's why I was pissed off when you told me about them doing that. The burning has to be the dust in the air from the lie that
you definitely don't want to be breathing. Shame on him for doing that, and I'm sure that your landlord knew full well, but that's what he was going to do. So it was a way to quote unquote fix the problem, which you didn't fix it. Shame on her too in so many ways that is awful. I bet she paid him off, I really do. I bet she paid him off because he did not want to do that job.
You know, he said to the guy, the guy that was with him when he was explaining that was laughing and saying, I'm going to call in all week, boss, and he goes, yeah, I want to call in too, because you know, of what they were going to have to clean out. And I was sitting there feeling bad, but I kept saying, I told him for seven you know, going on seven years, I'm so sorry, and he goes, no, no, I'm not blaming
you. But if she paid him off for a certain amount of money and he didn't want to get in there and do that anyway, I'm sure he got it now, just enough to get to the pipe, changed it out and walked out, you know. So I think that's why his guilt was telling me a little bit. You know, you were right about everything, and I'm sorry about your help. I think that was his warning and kind of crypto. Can I just pick up on it? So yeah, I
think that's even given. And I'm just guessing giving him bribe money or cover up money or something was probably going to be a lot cheaper than if he actually charged her for all the hours. And they probably would have even charged her to take it someplace to be disposed of properly, wouldn't they. Oh yeah, money? So yeah, So She just probably thought, I'll just do it this way and then sell it real quick before anybody catches on.
That is not my problem. Anything to save a block. Unfortunately, despicable. That's horrible. Looks like I have another question for you from Rochelle Baher. Her question is, Joe, what kind of life did your parents have? Do you think your mother was a narcissist? Well, my father had a sixth grade education, my mother had an eighth grade education. He was from the back hills of the Ozarks. He was from the hills of Missouri.
I just think they came from a very uneducated family. They you know, went through the thirties with great depression, and you know, I mean, they just had nothing. And when my dad's you know, his father died, he was in the sixth grade and he had to quit work and go work in a factory right next to grown men to help bring money home. So I just don't think that they ever knew any kindness. They were
only you know, shown roughness. If you can imagine a young boy and there with these men, probably how they were picking on him and things. That's all they ever do. And if that's all you've ever grown up around, that's the only thing, you know to pass on. So I really can't get mad at him. I just have to understand it. And the only way I feel like maybe I broke it. And this is going to
sound so silly that say I think was going for me. You know, I wasn't seeing anything different than when I did mention this girl and her mom saying that. You know, I got clocked pretty hard. So I was over at a friend's house a few times. My mom was working late, and the Brady Butch was coming on, and I honestly thought that's how families were. And so I kind of took mental notes from that and I tried to, you know, decide that when I was going to be a mom,
I was going to try to be just like them. So, you know, I was going to tell my kids that I loved them every day because I didn't get that, or I would do this, or I would do you know something else every day. You know, I would make sure they had a present every Christmas, you know, because I knew what it was like not to get anything. And so I really can't be mad at
them. I actually feel sorry for them, I really do. I can understand why you feel sorry for them because you just have such a pure heart. But please forgive me. I don't I can't stand them for what they did to you. You're such a pure soul. Shame on them for treating you the way they did. I don't care what the circumstances were. There are tons of people out there who weren't shown love as kids, and they've lived a very difficult life. But still they're very loving to their children.
No excuse, no excuse at all. I'm not buying it, not buying it at all. Well, I've got another question for you from Raider Joe, and Raider wants to know. Not sure if I missed it or not, but was that the last event after that night at the boyfriend's house me that I saw the dog man? Yes, that was the last time that it came at me, just full forced right after you know. Like I said, I took my last test that day and when daylight came and finished
out my nursing. And so I had already been talking to a hospital in Miami, Oklahoma about getting a job at the hospital there in the ob ward and so I had found through their recruiter an apartment that was furnished and It had like four apartments in one big house, and nurses lived in those, so it felt kind of safe. And I just took my clothes and you
know, personal hiking effects in my car and I was gone. And Dale moved out of town, my ex with his family, and he turned the house back over to the guy he was buying it on contract, and then he ended up coming down to where I was. So we made sure we stayed away from that area, trying not to have that happen. And that's when we decided to get married. And I found out I was pregnant with my daughter, but he having nightmares, I was having nightmares. We just
weren't going to make it, and he left. He got a job with a railroad that putting around all different states repairing you know, tracks, trains having accidents or jumping the track and cutting it all to pieces. And you know, so we just made sure that we were never around each other again. Like I said, she never saw us in the same room together she grew up. So but I did feel like when I came back in this area, you know where the hair would stand the back of my neck,
that it was checking, it was checking. So so kind of yes, and no, I guess huh, I felt it. I knew it was around, but it never came right at me. When you have extreme experiences, it's not uncommon to take extreme measures. So I get it. I understand. I've got another comment for you, Joe from the Young Homesteaders. The comment is almost seems like the body language of a protective dog, if you want to draw that parallel. Of course, all talking about the way
that dog me enacted when he saw your boyfriend grab your arm there. And then we've got another comment for you from Baby Girl, and her question is the dog me and family will always watch each each other's backs. And that's true. They prove it all the time. I've got a question for you from be Kind and they wanted to know how close was the neighbor's house who called the cops. King distracted and alerted the neighbor, which saved you both.
Oh, let's see, I'm going to guess probably seventy feet, Probably between sixteen and seventy feet they were debt bar away pretty close. Then yeah, yeah, I see he really heard it, And like I said, he heard King. You know the screams. Obviously we're from you know, King having his limbs ripped off. That was what that screaming was for. And it didn't even sound like a dog. It was such sheer pain and he thought it was me being hurt, and that's why he called them and
said, you know, I think she's over there. He didn't even know my name, and I think she's get killed. You better get here. So, yeah, he was close enough that he heard everything, and it was dark, so I guess he couldn't see what was going on. You know, it's a good thing for him because he'd been having nightmares too. Had he looked out and saw what was actually happening, wouldn't he so glad
he didn't. He sure would have. He definitely would have. This next question is related to what you just told us about talking about what happened to King. Unfortunately, and you don't have to answer this question if you don't want to. It's a sensitive one, but be kind wanted to know. Is this is this too hard of a question to ask? That's a question obviously? Was King's heart taken? How did she know that? Wow? Okay, she just kind of scared me a little. Yes, it was
missing. We didn't know if it ripped it out and threw it somewhere in the yard that they didn't find it, or it took it with it. Does that Dick have something to do with a dog men? Yeah, that's kind of a pattern. That's not uncommon for them to do that, to take the heart, and be Kind had an encounter already, so really that explains it. Oh boy, I'd love to talk to be Kind. So she had an animal that the heart was taken that I can't remember. I
talked with some in the eyewitnesses. I can't tell you that their encounter was on episode five eighteen. Be Kind's encounter was episode five eighteen, if you want to listen to the particulars. Yeah, I wish there was some way that I could connect with that person, you know, later on. I don't know if that's even possible. I could put you in the contact. I could put you in the contact be Kind if you can send me a
message. I know you still have my contact info. If you can shoot me a text message to let me know if you'd be up for a conversation with Joe. Just let me know and I'd be more than happy to get that set up. That'd be k easy. Oh, you're welcome. You're welcome. It looks like baby girl wants to know how tall that dog man was. Oh, it was a good eight and a half to ninth foot easy, because and I know that because of the way the house I lived in was set up, you know, and where it was on those windows.
Yeah, nine foot easy. It might have been nine and a half. It was big. It was so big that you couldn't comprehend it could be that big. That makes sense, you know. It was just it looks like the size that you would think a big kodiak there or something would be standing up on his backbeat. It just it was huge. That is awfully big. They get bigger than that, though, they can be twelve feet so serious, Yeah, they get bigger than that. They do.
That's why so many people, you know, they talk about ten foot sasquatch and they get taller than that also, But they talk about how a ten foot sasquatch would be so much more powerful and so much bigger than a dog man. What depends? Are you talking about a twelve foot dog man?
I mean, that would be one heck of a fight. I'm sure between a twelve foot dog mean and a ten foot sasquatch between even a twelve foot dog mean and a twelve foot sasquatch, I'm not really sure who to bet on because the sasquatch doesn't have six inch long talons on the tips of its fingers, and the canine teeth are probably that long also, so in the strength also to push fifth wheel trailers up onto two wheels and do things like that one shot big animals to one shot bulls and things like that. So
it's really hard to say which way that would go. It is right out of my mouth as I was going to say, yeah, well, I don't think a bigfoot has those teeth and definitely doesn't have those claws, so I've seen what those can do. You sure have. Unfortunately, I've got one more question for you. We're about sixty eight minutes in and then we're going to get ready to close it down. But this last question is from Bang Bang Screwtube, and their question is, Joe, I listened to dogming
encounters in order to sleep at night? Have you tried listening to healing frequency music? I have not. Is there a site that you can recommend? That's a good question. I'm not really sure what what would be the best way to listen to it, but probably googling it or something like that would turn up an option or two. But well, I can certainly try that going in. But if it, you know, in a few more weeks or months, if it still tries to hop into my dreams, I think
Anne's gonna have me ready to go with it. Then it'll find out that it's not the big bad woof anymore. I've been trained in lucid dreams and I'm going to get it this time. So it might want to know that. There you go. I love hearing that I love it. I do well. Before we get out of here, Joe, do you have any
close in comments you'd like to put out there for us. I just want to thank everybody again for allowing me to tell my encounter, for not passing judgment on me, but believing me and supporting me and telling me that you do. Thank you to everybody who donated, whether it was like he said, your love in a comment, or you know, money from all over. There would have been no way that even selling the furniture we had,
I knew there'd be no way that I could get us that house. I was going to have to end up being in a house that I probably couldn't even safely get in and out of, but I had to have it for my daughter. You guys have made that all possible. I know. I just know in my heart we're going to hit the five thousand mark thanks to
all of you, and we'll be able to start our life anew. And there just aren't enough words for me, are enough time for me to say how thankful I am, how much I love you guys, and thank you for showing me what I didn't find out growing up, and that's that people are good and they love you and they will help you when the chips are down. Thank you, guys, God bless you all. Very well said, very well said. A better group of people you're not going to find.
I mean, they're absolutely amazing, they really are. But you're right there, my friend, You're right there at the top. Thank you well. Thanks for saying that. That's awfully nice of you. But I just want the best of you like everyone else here does. But having said that, Joe, thanks again so much for coming back on to answer all these questions. Thanks for coming on for the first show to tell us about your experiences. I really do appreciate it, and like I told you before,
if you ever need help, I'll be there for you. Just let me know. Thank you, thank you, God bless you all. You're welcome, have a great night. If you've had a dog mean an encounter and would like to speak with me about it, it doesn't matter if you want to speak with me in private about it or if you do want to come I'm on this show. All you have to do is just go to dogman Encounters dot com submit a report, and if you do that then I'd be
more than happy to schedule a conversation with you, a phone conversation. But if you've had a sasquatch sighting and we'd like to be a guest on one of my two bigfoot podcasts, that's easy as well. Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com and let me know, fill out a guest request form
and let me know and I'll be in contact with you that way. But having said that, if you would like to donate to Joe's GoFundMe page, if you go to Dogmandcounters dot com right on the homepage you'll find a link for it, or if you just look in the description for tonight's show, if you look In the description for Friday night show, you'll find a link to that GoFundMe page to help donate and support her. But like I said at the head of the show, I can't thank you enough for supporting this
lady the way you have. You're just amazing. I can't do a justice. I really can't. I can't thank you enough. But having said all that, thanks again so much for supporting these eyewitnesses the way you do. I really do appreciate it, and they do too. Have a great night.