¶ Navigating Midlife Purpose and Fulfillment
When you have a good sense of meaning and you feel like you were enough in the past , you no longer have to hit this big , audacious goal . You can just do stuff that lights you up . And if you doubt what I'm telling you , just look at Elon Musk or Steve Jobs . These are people who've achieved the greatest sense of purpose .
They've made tons of money and they've built amazing things , and yet neither of them looked particularly happy . Both of them are trying to purpose their way to enough .
If I just make more money , if I just have more achievements , I'm going to be happy , whereas they both probably needed to go back and look at their childhood trauma and work through that and realize they were always enough even before they achieved all these things .
And so that's where a lot of people like you are is they're trying to prove their worthiness through purpose , and it just doesn't work that way .
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Yeah .
Two years ago , and now you have a new book that's coming out January 7th . It's called the Purpose Code how to Unlock Meaning , maximize Happiness and Leave a Lasting Legacy .
But if you guys , depending on how we cut this episode like we're literally going through a therapy session where we're talking about being part of the sandwich generation , how are you finding purpose ? Particularly , dr Jordan is 51 . I'm 46 .
We're just , you know , at a point in our lives where , like , like , the purpose that we had while we were trying to go after and become doctors is way different than the purpose that you have right now , right ? So let's , let's talk about this book , cause , I'll be very honest , everyone haven't gotten a chance to read this book yet .
I got it , dr Jordan , next time I got to be on the end . You got to let me get the book pre . I got to get the pre , the pre-order of this book , but that doesn't mean we can't talk about it . So welcome to Docs Outside the Box man .
Thank you so much for having me . I'm excited for the conversation .
Yeah . So I got a lot of questions about this book because I can read from the description , I can read from your video . I've listened to you on other podcasts and so forth who's this book for the Purpose Code ? Who is this book for ?
So this book is for a lot of different populations . But today I'd like to talk about us right . So we are right in the middle of it .
A lot of us have kids , a lot of us have aging parents , a lot of us have kind of figured out a work enough to be like okay , I'm not like I was in residency and a young attending , where I didn't know what I was doing and I was just craving the knowledge .
We're all almost at this place of what I call burnout , like work is exhausting and difficult , our kids are tiring , our parents have their own issues . And we're looking at each other , we're looking at our spouses or we're looking at our friends going .
What happened to me , like , where did the me go when I became the conduit for all these other people's needs ? Or I became the conduit of my job and my employer ?
And so a lot of us are sitting here going this isn't what I dreamed about when I went to medical school , this isn't what I dreamed about when I got married , this isn't what I dreamed about when I had kids . And so we all have to look in the mirror and say , okay , our life has pivoted . Things have changed .
We're not hungry like we were when we were 20 and we just wanted to get that MD , or we just want to get married . Life has changed on us and a lot of us are sitting here going well , who am I now and where is that me time ? And if I do happen to get a little bit of that me time , what does that look like ? What do I do with that ?
How do I do something that feels meaningful and purposeful and kind of fills me up a little bit , because right now I'm being stretched thin .
Do you think it's ?
Because I feel like a lot of folks who have to ask themselves that questions are people who either are forced into retirement right , because that's a discussion of people who do the same thing for several years , for several decades , and then all of a sudden they got to go into retirement , either in their late 50s or 60s , and now it's like well , what do I
do ? Or people who go through a midlife crisis , and yesterday I had to get some keys made for my parents' house Went to Home Depot , this gentleman , a little bit older guy , you know , kind of bent over , hunched over , is filling the shelves and I'm like hi , sir , like I'm looking to get keys made , and he's like , yeah , I can help you with that .
He's like scurrying over and he makes it to the key machine and we talk and I need to get four keys done . It takes an hour to get it done . Lo and behold , this guy's 80 years old . His wife died about three years ago and his purpose afterwards is something that he struggled with .
But it's not that Home Depot gave him purpose again , but he just needed something to kind of connect with . He needed some people to connect to and , like I said it doesn't take an hour to make four sets of keys .
But we had that connection where we were talking about , or at least he was giving me advice on different things , and it was really interesting to just think about . Hmm , like what do we do when we get to a point where , like , what we've attained doesn't fulfill us anymore , right , or who we're with doesn't fulfill us anymore ?
We have to figure out on our own . I was thinking about that with that gentleman , but then before go ahead , go ahead , please go ahead .
Well , I was just gonna say . The first question you asked is is this something that usually happens , like either when you're forced to retire or you hit retirement age ? I think we all hit this multiple times in life and we just call it burnout .
Okay .
And we say , man , I'm exhausted or I'm burnt , or I need some time off or I need a long vacation . And then we kind of do that . We keep ourselves busy enough or relaxed enough to feel like the crisis is over , and then we go back to doing all the same things .
But the problem is , a lot of times we haven't actually made some space for ourself right , that is so true , that is so true actually made some space for ourself , right ? That is so true . That is so true . We all do it , and you know . So let's look at this positively .
We're doing this because we have family to support and things to do , and this idea of , oh my gosh , like maybe work isn't fulfilling me as much as I thought it would be , and to walk away from that and start doing something else , or even to pursue a hobby or something different , sounds exhausting , like we're already tired , right , we already want the week on
the beach just to recover . This idea of doing the emotional work , to start finding some new things that fill us up , just isn't on most of our calendars . And so we you know , if you want the same result , you do the same things .
And so we burn out , we take the week off , we go , start seeing the therapist , maybe we pay for some extra help at the house because things are exhausting , and then we pretty much go back to doing the same thing , and so eventually , we get the same result , which means every year , every other year , every few years , we find ourselves totally exhausted and
feeling like something needs to change , but not having the energy to do something new . And this is where we really get into that conversation about purpose , and I love you talking about this gentleman because for our whole life we think people are purpose , we think our jobs are purpose .
But this gentleman decided he would do something that was just kind of fun and filled them up . He's like I'm going to go work at Home Depot , puts me around people , I kind of like doing mechanical things maybe . So I'm going to do that and what happens is he goes and does little things that light them up . I call it little P-purpose .
The difference between big P-purpose , which I think is anxiety provoking , is this idea of doing these big , audacious things that are goal oriented . They're going to change the world . But this gentleman you're talking about did something . What I call little P-purpose is process oriented . He's like I'm 80 . I don't have to prove myself anymore .
I'm just going to go do something I kind of like doing , but in the meantime doing something that sounds kind of small . He interacted with you and maybe you that was the guy you needed to talk to that day to give you some perspective . So he's just doing his thing , doing something . He enjoys the process of something that lights him up a little bit .
He's 80 . He lost his spouse .
He's just looking for something that fills him up a little bit , but in the process he's actually having some impact , because now he's run into you and he has all this wisdom to impart on you and you're in a place in life where you might need to hear that wisdom and all of a sudden we're starting to learn that kind of that big , audacious , big P-purpose we
always talk about . It's like I'm going to change the world . Sometimes what we actually need is little P purpose and we actually connect to more people and change the world more . And so I think that's what you're seeing .
There is someone who , by the time they're 80 and they lost their spouse , finally let go of this kind of big goal oriented purpose and just started doing stuff that seemed cool .
And the question is especially for people like you and me , who are right in the middle of burnout , who are feeling like we're losing ourselves , who feel stretched impossibly between our parents and our kids and our job . How do we create a little space to get that feeling that that elderly guy gets when he goes to Home Depot , that I'm doing something .
That's a little bit important here , a little bit exciting here , and maybe it's causing me to interact with other people . How do we start building that into our life now ?
Because I'd hate for you to have to wait till you're 80 to start doing these little things , what I call little P-purpose , this process-oriented things that actually give you some of the energy to start dealing with the harder stuff , when you start feeling like , okay , life is hard , got problems with my kids , got problems with my parents , got problems with my job
, but at least I have this space that feels good , where I do something that I connect with . Maybe I impact some other people in a different way . That's what's going to help you get through the burnout right .
The likelihood you're going to leave your surgeon job and totally do something new that you're passionate about that's pretty unlikely , but the idea is to reconnect with what you like about being a surgeon , and sometimes part of doing that is developing yourself in other ways Taking some of the pressure off your job , for instance , to be that big thing that lights
you up , and starting to do some of these other smaller versions of purpose .
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See , you are mentioning something that I wanted to ask you about , which is you're dividing purpose into two things , and I found it really interesting .
Like I said , guys , I haven't gotten a chance to read this book , but I know how to scour , and this is something that I'm very interested in , and sometimes I feel like people come into our lives for certain reasons .
I feel like , you know , people come into our lives for certain reasons , right , like I came in just to be like , look man , I need to get these keys done . And part of me was going to be like , come on , like can you just get my keys done ?
And I've started realizing , as he's taking his time to do my keys , there are other people who need to get their keys done also , and I started thinking I was like , rather than rush this guy , I started letting other people through , like , hey , how many keys do you have to get done ? One , two , just .
¶ Finding Purpose in Life's Phases
And I asked , his name was John . I was like , mr John , like can you just let these folks go and we can continue our conversation afterwards ? And he would just do their keys real quick , move on and then we will continue our conversation . That's how it became like an hour thing .
It's almost like I needed after like 10 minutes of this is like wait , I need this .
This is like almost like therapy for me now , right , so there was like several people who I just like let them pass through and then we continued our conversation and he told me everything about how he met his wife to you know the part of you know where he grew up and where he lived and spent several years .
You know decades and so forth and what happened afterwards . But it was a very fulfilling conversation . He was very it's very interesting . This guy knows himself very well . He says I'm a what did he say ? He's very OCD . He said he's like I'm a very OCD , anal , retentive type person .
So when I make your keys , I have to make sure that , like I clean the residue off the key so that when I give you the keys , when you open the door , you know , when you open the door , you know there's nothing blocking .
You want to make sure it's a perfect fit , and I have to make sure that I do all the keys first and then I clean them off before I hand them to you . If I , you know , separate them out , then I'll figure . Like , he like went into like details about all these things and I really started thinking about it .
I was like wow , like this is almost kind of like that we're meant to meet and then I was meant to interview you .
It's just very interesting . Well , here's the thing . And let's be real here . Let's set some definitions . This is a long answer . I apologize , but let's set some definitions . Our goal here is to win the game . That's it . Win the game ? How do you win the game ? Happiness what's happiness , boy ? That's hard to define .
When I wrote my first book , taking Stock , I basically it was built on a one main premise that we should put purpose first before we build our financial framework . And I went to go talk to people about this market , the book .
I went to conferences , did public speaking , et cetera , and at the end of my talks I kept on getting people coming up to me and they'd be like they'd be angry . And I give lots of talks and I almost never find anyone angry at me . And this happened over and over again and they'd all say the same thing .
They'd be like you're telling me to find my purpose . I don't know what purpose is . I've been searching for it forever . I can't find it . Please stop telling me to find purpose . I don't think there is a purpose . And so I did a deep dive into the literature and I found what I think is a paradox .
Basically , I found that having a sense of purpose in life that's what the researchers call it is associated with health , happiness , longevity , clearly . Tons of studies , very obvious . Then I also found studies that show that up to 91% of people , at some point in their life , have what's called purpose anxiety .
This idea of purpose actually makes them depressed and frustrated , and even angry , and so how do we explain this paradox , the way I explain it is to say that we get this completely wrong . We think purpose is one thing .
It's probably actually two things and one of those things is probably bad for us and one of them is probably nurturing the one that's bad for us . Big P purpose is goal oriented . It's big , it's audacious . In America we say if you can think it , you can build it . So I'm talking about curing cancer , becoming president , being a billionaire .
The problem is it's really easy to fail those things and unless you're the right person at the right time with the right genetics and a bunch of luck saying all the right things , if you're not all of those you're probably going to fail . So it's very much all or nothing and it leaves a lot of us feeling anxious .
On the other hand , little P purpose is process oriented , so it's not worried about the goal . It's like do things that light you up . And because it's process oriented , it's kind of all or all . There's no way to fail . So it's very abundant . Think about the million things I could do that would light me up .
Whereas big P purpose is very scarce , like I either succeed or fail . Big P-Purpose is very scarce , like I either succeed or fail . And so we're looking at how do we become happy ? How do we win the game ? Well , there've been studies about happiness and I'll tell you the truth . One of the best studies is the Harvard Adult Developmental Health Study .
Started in the 1930s about 700 Harvard students . They interviewed them every other year . Eventually , the Harvard Adult Developmental Health Study . So they started with about 700 people , harvard students . They eventually brought in some family members , then brought in some controls from Boston .
They studied them for like 80 years and they started with interviewing them every two years . It started in 1938 . Yeah , and eventually they did MRIs , eegs , blood tests and at the end of like all these 80 years of study , they asked one simple question what makes people happy ?
Okay , and what they found was it wasn't money , it wasn't status , it wasn't achievements , it wasn't your job and it wasn't even purpose , which we'll get back to in a moment . What it was was interpersonal connections . Your relationships , your community , your connections is the number one most correlated thing with happiness .
Notice , I said it wasn't purpose , but I also said a little while ago all these studies show that purpose increases your happiness . Well , I think , if we follow little p purpose , this process oriented purpose it lights us up , we do things we love doing and it connects us to other people . So it's a great conduit to interpersonal connections .
So let's go back to your guy who's making your keys . He's doing something that he's interested in . He's OCD , he loves the process , he loves the steps and he's going to clean them up and he's going to do it exactly right so that when you go home your key fits in . You don't got to mess with it .
You don't got to be like God , darn it , they gave me a bad key . It works for you . That lights them up . And guess what's happening ? He's connecting to other people because you see this guy doing something that lights him up and you kind of want to talk to him . You're willing to take time out of your day even though you're a really busy guy .
You're willing to let other people go in front of you because you see some light there .
Oh , it's the day after Christmas . Everybody's returning stuff . I got to go .
Yeah , what's winning the game ? Winning the game is practicing little P purpose that connects you to other people , which the Harvard adult developmental health study tells us . Interpersonal connections is what's going to make you happy . That's it . That's winning the game . There you go . It isn't big , it isn't audacious , it's not curing cancer .
It's not doing all that . It's doing stuff you love that connects you to other people . That's how you win .
So I'm going to share something else about my life . So I took some notes before we started talking , because I was very , very much interested in the word purpose from your standpoint . So I was like , let me put my life and think about it . So the best I could do is I have notes here . I could put my life into three phases .
Phases , right , and this is gonna be very simple , but it's the truth . So one there's the chase . The chase of becoming a doctor , right , that goes up until graduation . So up until graduating from medical school , right . Then there's attaining the goal , so that's residency . So I've become a doctor already .
That's residency to about three to four years of practicing on my own right .
Being an attending .
And then the third phase is being a Dr Jordan . No judgment , everybody listen , no juders . Who am I ? Right , and it's these last 10 years right . And I have notes in here Like so am I supposed to be practicing ? Like , who am I practicing for ? Am I practicing for my patients or am I practicing for a big corporate conglomerate ?
I don't even wear my own logo . Now I have my own logo because I do independent contracting . But you know , like I'm representing something else , someone else at times , Right . So for someone who's reading your book , right , let's say that's me , right . Like how would you help someone like me find purpose , like meaningful purpose , in the third phase ?
First , like me , find purpose , like meaningful purpose in the third phase .
First and foremost , you don't find purpose . You build or create it . I think it's a huge mistake . Everyone makes Okay , because they're thinking like purpose is something that's going to fall on their head , and either it falls on their head and they live a great life and things are perfect , it's this one big thing , or they miss it completely and they're lost .
So I want to disabuse people of that idea . Purpose is something you build and create . Now it is true that you have to have some inklings or beckoning , some things that excite you to build purpose around . I call those purpose anchors , and so we do have to connect with what our purpose anchors are . Let me pause that for a moment .
Part of the problem with purpose is , I think we define it incorrectly and so colloquially we think of purpose as our why , like what is our purpose ? It's the why we do what we do , and when you were just talking about your different phrases , you were kind of talking about the why . I think that's wrong . Purpose isn't our why .
That's actually what I would call meaning . Purpose are the actions we do in the present and future that light us up . That's it . Purpose has everything to do with action and it has everything to do with the present and future . So purpose is what you do on a daily basis , weekly basis , monthly basis . That lights you up .
It could be big or small , you could have one or many , you could do it for a month or you could do it for a year , you could do it for your lifetime , and so while you're talking about , like , winning the game or becoming the doctor , I don't see those things as purpose . Like I look at you and I say purpose for you is doing a podcast .
It is the action you take on a daily basis . That lights you up . The problem with looking at it as your why is because then it becomes really high stakes . Like I have to have the right why and the why has to be big and impactful . And if I get it wrong , everything goes wrong and before you know it , we're setting these big P purpose goals .
Like my why has to be that I improve a million people's lives . Or my why has to be that I'm the best trauma surgeon ever . Or my why has to be that I make a billion dollars and all of a sudden you're getting these big , high stakes goals and the reason why is why feels really weighty . Like my why can't just be something pedestrian ?
Like I want to do fun , things that fill me up ?
Jordan , get out of my head your why has to be big .
And so here's the difference . This is like inception . So I told you that it's a difference between meaning and purpose , and when you see it as your why , it's actually a meaning problem . And people are like what do you mean ? Meaning and purpose are the same thing . Well , here's what I think . Happiness is made up of two things meaning and purpose .
But meaning and purpose are very different .
¶ Navigating Personal Meaning and Purpose
Remember I just said , purpose is your present and future and is all about action . Well , meaning is about the cognitive way you think about your past and it's all about thoughts . So it's about your past and it's about your thoughts . In other words , meaning is the stories you tell yourself about yourself .
Now , happy people tend to tell themselves heroic stories Like I had these tough times , I had these traumas , I got through them and I was enough , and so you feel pretty good now , now , and you feel like in the present and future you're going to be fine . So the journey of meaning is a journey of enoughness .
Unhappy people tell themselves victim stories about the past . I had these traumas , I had these problems , I was thwarted , I was never enough and I probably won't be enough in the present and future . So , again .
Meaning is about your past , it's about your thoughts and it's a journey to enough , and purpose is about your present and future and is all about action . The problem with very goal-oriented , achievement-oriented people is they're struggling with meaning .
In other words , the stories they tell themselves about themselves didn't fulfill their sense of enoughness , and so they're stuck in the present and future , not feeling enough . Instead of going back and doing therapy and thinking about their sense of meaning , they feel like they can purpose their way to enough .
So what they do is they start trying to use purpose to feel good about themselves . But to do that , they have to set these really big , audacious goals , and so you try to purpose your way to enough , and it just doesn't work . You can't purpose your way to enough and you can't purpose your way to happiness . You've got to have both meaning and purpose .
When you have a good sense of meaning and you feel like you were enough in the past , all of a sudden you don't have to prove yourself in the present and future , so you no longer have to hit this big , audacious goal . You can just do stuff that lights you up , and if you doubt what I'm telling you , just look at Elon Musk or Steve Jobs .
These are people who've achieved the greatest sense of purpose , according to the way we look at them right . They've made tons of money and they've built amazing things , and yet neither of them looked particularly happy . Steve Jobs didn't look happy when he was alive . Elon Musk doesn't look particularly happy now .
Both of them are trying to purpose their way to enough . If I just make more money , if I just have more achievements , I'm going to be happy , whereas they both probably needed to go back and look at their childhood trauma and work through that and realize they were always enough even before they achieved all these things .
And so that's where a lot of people like you are is they're trying to prove their worthiness through purpose , and it just doesn't work that way .
Jordan , where am I sending my bill to you ? Damn so , jordan . Listen , to get that in depth . I felt like you were like Leonardo DiCaprio in Inception . I don't know how the hell you were able to piece all of this stuff together , but it makes so much sense . Is this something like you could tell me , niko ?
You know kick rocks , but is this something that you went through Because you're oh God , yeah , the level of detail , the level of like , almost like you're coloring it in vivid color . I can see what you're talking about , did you ?
go through this . My father died when I was seven . Suddenly brain aneurysm collapsed and died . He was a doctor . I thought I could cosmically fix the world by walking in his footsteps and becoming a doctor too . And so my version of Big P purpose was I was going to fill his place and cosmically fix his death . And so guess what I did ?
I went to medical school , I became a physician , and you know what happened ? It didn't fix his death . I was struggling with meaning . I thought I was responsible for his death and I thought if I just became better , if I just became a doctor like him , if I just saved enough lives , it would cosmically fill the gap , I would finally be enough .
It wouldn't be my fault . My dad died and it didn't work . And I became a doctor and my dad was still dead and I didn't feel any better about it . I had to go back and rewrite the narrative of my childhood and say my dad died , it was a horrible thing , but I wasn't responsible for it . I was just a good kid in a bad situation .
And not only that , but I heroically came through a learning disability , picked things up , supported my mom and my family and still was able to become a doctor and help people . So I changed that narrative , I changed my sense of meaning . I started to realize I was always enough , even though my dad died .
I was enough then , and so I didn't have to prove in the present and future that I was enough anymore , which means this version of purpose that was not filling me up being a doctor . I no longer had to pursue it . I no longer had to prove anything , so I could then do .
What I think we all should do with purpose is start looking at the present and future and start thinking about , well , what actions really would fill me up . And that looked like blogging and podcasting , and writing and public speaking all of these things that were deeply important to me . And so , yeah , why did I write this book ?
Because this is my story , this is my struggle , and I feel that it's not just my struggle , it's a lot of our struggles . Look , we all know tons of people who are exceedingly successful . They're good at their jobs , they're married , they have kids , they have great relationships , good friendships , they make a lot of money , and guess what ?
A lot of them still aren't happy .
Oh , you can see it in their face , you can see it in their actions .
So why aren't they happy ?
Yeah .
That's a question that I see that a lot . I think you see that in medicine a lot . Yeah , you know , I've been noticing that . You know you work in hospice with me . This is the time of year that I feel like hospice for trauma goes through the roof right , because we're in the cold months . We don't see the GSW , the gunshots .
We're not seeing the stab wounds when nobody's on a motorcycle anymore and the traumas that you normally see get replaced by the traumas that are the ground level falls , the slips on ice , granny is at home , granny falls at the nursing home .
And if I can tell you how many phone or how many conversations I've had in person or on the phone about end of life issues , clarifying advanced directives , the generic Walmart type advanced directive that says if I'm in a terminal position , I don't want artificial things , and it's like , well , but we're not there , guys , she has a subdural and she could recover ,
but that's not necessarily a terminal condition , and walking families through that it's . It's a very fascinating concept to talk to um , in essence children , but they're grown adults and kind of talk to them about what their mother or their father would want .
And I know you talk about this thing called the generational trauma effect or this generational trauma that occurs and things that you've buried as a child are the things that you're going to deal with as an adult , and I see that all the time .
It's very interesting You've mentioned that in your previous what you were talking about with Elon Musk , or possibly even with you and the steps know the steps that you took to become a doctor to kind of erase some of the pain , but you realize at the end it's still there .
It's so like I see that , talking to families , I see that between siblings who are still arguing , you know , and siblings who are in their fifties and are still arguing about things that they should have put away when they were , you know , it's very amazing to see this while mom is recovering .
So go ahead . Please , let's turn that around . Though . We know and you see in your job , and I see all the time the effects of generational trauma
¶ Generational Growth and Purpose Code
. We hand down trauma from generation to generation . Here's what no one asks . What's the opposite of generational trauma ? It's what I call generational growth .
Generational growth is , instead of handing down these bad scripts , these scripts that don't serve us , these scripts that make us unhappy , what if you could hand down good scripts and actually bring about generational growth ? And here's the fantastic thing you know how you do that . You do things that light you up , Little p-purpose .
How do you pass on generational growth ? How do you undo generational trauma ? You start doing things you love doing that light you up , and you let your kids and family and friends see you doing those things , and that's how we break that cycle . There's two ways to break that cycle . One is you got to do what's called narrative therapy .
Go back , look at the cycle , realize that it's a bad cycle and start rewriting the story such that you were the hero and you can step out of that trauma .
Right , that's a piece of it , but the other piece is filling that in with generational growth , and so what we want to really do is not model for our parents , that trauma that we kept on getting passed down from generation to generation .
If we're cognizant of it , we want to start doing these little key purpose things that light us up and have our kids see that , because what that does is it gives them permission to live a life in which they become lit up as adults too , doing things they love .
So just before you and I went live on air I saw your son ducking around , your podcast set up , like he sees you doing this thing that's deeply important to you , that lights you up , that you get excited to do . That's generational growth . One day he's going to say dad and mom did this thing . Maybe I'll try it on , see how it fits me .
Maybe it does fit me and , like them , I'm going to pursue this thing that lights me up . Maybe it doesn't fit me , but you're passing down that modeling . And so we talk about generational trauma a lot , but almost no one ever talks about generational growth .
And that's that impact and legacy , that's that little P purpose not just changing you and the people around you , but changing people for decades and generations , and I can give you tons of stories of people who've done just that their little P-purpose led to generational growth , which led to impact and legacy far after that person leaves the earth .
Man , there it is Jordan Guys . So listen everyone , we're going to have the purpose code , the link to purpose code , anywhere where you can get it , mainly on Amazon . Listen , jordan , sheesh , I wasn't expecting to get send my bill for this therapy session , because this was like that . This was an amazing discussion .
I always find your comments , I always find your insight , to be extremely profound yet very grounded .
You know , there's times where people talk over people's heads , but I always feel like whenever we talk like I feel like you're kind of talking , like we're kind of kindred spirits , and there's things that you're going through , that I go through , and I think , in general , when people listen to your episodes , they say , damn , he likes speaking to me , which I
think , from even a podcast standpoint , that's something I always try to to get to and I really appreciate , and I appreciate your skill and your ability to do that . So I have to give you props for doing that . But the purpose code give us one quick , let's say , five sentence or however long .
What quick way can you leave people to let them know that , hey , this is the book that they should go and get , please ?
and when they first come to us , they're like , oh my God , this is so difficult , I have no idea what to do with this . And then they listen to us for a long time and they're like , oh , there are these steps I can take , I can figure out my finances and I'm good . Purpose is exactly the same .
Up to this point , most people think of purpose as just something so hard to reach and ephemeral and difficult because no one has broken it down as simple as our finances . I believe you can take these solid steps I talk about in the book . You can build a life of purpose and I think ultimately it'll lead to happiness .
Boom , there , it is All right , jordan .
¶ Future Book Review Discussions
Thank you again for coming on the show . Guys , I'm going to be checking out this book . As a matter of fact , I've already reserved it , so when it comes out January 7th , I'll be getting it shortly afterwards . Jordan , this is really . I really appreciate you coming on the show and talking about this topic .
I think actually , what I'll do is , if you're okay with this , I'm going to read the book and then maybe at a certain interval , if you're free , have you come back on and I could talk about , you know , some of the things that I've learned from this book , and I always do like a book review afterwards on the show anyway .
So we'd love to have you come back and kind of discuss this . So , happy holidays to you , Happy new year and , yeah , thanks again for coming on the show . Thank you for having me .