¶ Student National Medical Association Conference Recap
What's good everyone . Welcome to another episode of Docs Outside the Box . I am your host , dr Nii . Actually I'm very tired . Dr Nii , I'm also joined by . I think it's going to stick the habitual line stepper .
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Let a brother know 833-230-2860 , or you know , let me know at docs outside the box . Please all right on instagram get out of here , so listen we got a lot to cover on this episode , but it's mainly a wrap-up of the student national medical association's annual medical education conference . Um .
This is the 60th anniversary of a very important organization that we've been a part of Renee's been constantly giving back to since 2002 , 2003 , and almost like a homecoming for me , because it's been a long time since I've been back to New Orleans for an SMA conference and it was dope . Had a great time . Great time .
Snma is amazing I'm the hotel fees was crazy as hell , though well , we had a suite yeah , that's crazy , but anyway , um real quick , before we start , or before we get started , I just want to say shout out to dr love anani . Yes , damn , if you're , if you're listening . Dr Love is our resident EM listener .
He listens to the show he writes in all the time , but also , at the same time , we got to see him work and do his magic . So , his position is professional board member to the executive committee of the Student National Medical Association . Basically , what's the what's ? The best way to describe his position ?
Because , like it's , it's kind of yeah , I mean he's the professional board member to the executive committee , which basically means that he's kind of the doctor , the actual doctor or one of the doctors who's on the board , but he plays a very pivotal role in helping the students to oversee the day-to-day operations of the organization .
Well , damn it , they need to have him doing the day-to-day freaking fundraising . The organization Well damn it , they need to have him doing the day-to-day freaking fundraising because brother knew how to fundraise .
If anybody knows how to get the money , it's a Nigerian yo .
This guy's acting like it's a Nigerian .
Chop your money .
Chop your money , he's acting like it's a Nigerian wedding . It might as well have been . He was making money like crazy yo .
Yes , that alumni reception was off the chain , had me bidding on stuff .
Did a good job , man Did a good job , Excellent job , Dr Love yo . Excellent job , if you guys ever need an emcee for your event he's the man , dr Love Anani . He's the man , whether it's Nigerian , whatever it is , I don't know Hire him for your bat mitzvah . He going to make you some money .
Yeah , no , he was really really good . We had an alumni reception , doing a lot of fundraising during the reception .
And .
I still want to encourage you guys . It's not too late to donate to the SNMA Always , always , always , an opportunity for you to donate . We're trying to raise $600,000 for the 60th anniversary . So just because the conference is over doesn't mean that the fundraising effort is over .
So I would implore you all to give at least six hundred dollars , just six hundred dollars . Go to snmaorg , go up to the right click , donate and , um , yeah , I would implore you all , especially those . What a time , what a time , guys .
What a time this is a great time if you are a med student , if you are pre-med , I'm sure you're coming off the high of the student national medical association . Some of you all who are far away from snma you probably forgot , or if you've never been involved in SNMA .
This is not just an opportunity , you know , for people to socialize and for people to fundraise . Yo , this is an opportunity for people to , if you're a pre-med , to meet up with different representatives from different medical schools . Right , so they have a big pre-med exhibition or exhibitor fair .
So all the medical schools that want to be there , they're there to recruit pre-meds right . Then you have all of these different residencies coming to the residency or coming to the exhibitor fair , and they're all in this big , huge convention center exhibit hall and they trying to recruit people and it is very exciting .
And then , not only that , you got medical students and premeds going to different seminars trying to get the education on . And then , on top of that , you got freaking . You got doctors like the medical students trying to get phone numbers from the other medical students . It is an amazing time .
You know what I'm saying ?
Yeah , it really is which the bigger competition trying to get into residency or trying to get phone numbers . I'm serious .
Phone numbers for what purpose ? Me for the social aspect for the social aspect for the social aspect . I want to know who got numbers at the snma . That's what I want to know . We got numbers 833-230-2860 . Let us know if you got the hookup on .
So we were there , I'm just doing hard transitions today .
That's it .
We were there to talk about global health , so we did a talk on global health . Then we did a combo discussion podcast with the lounge podcast . That was dope . And then we also recorded at the Hub , which is basically right in the center of the Exhibitor Fair . That was dope too . That was dope OK .
And then we also recorded at the hub , which is basically right in the center of the exhibitor fair . That was dope too . That was fun , that was for me , that was the best part because , like , there's just not chaos , but it's just so much . There's noise , there's .
You know , you're just in the exhibitor fair and people are trying to get into med school , people are trying to get the residency , they making things happen , people taking headshots , you know , people just sitting chilling , people trying to get phone numbers .
It don't matter , it is a lot of stuff going on and there's just a lot of energy . How many phone number attempts did you witness A ?
lot . Let's just say a lot , and we're going to talk about that later . But let's jump into our global health talk , which Dr Love got us into , roped us into at the last minute but yeah , we were very happy , we were very happy to do it yeah um real quick .
Without getting into the specifics , we just talked about our experiences with doing doing global health and , in essence , kind of taught the medical students as well as the pre-meds .
If you want to do a medical mission , this is how you vet a organization , these are the things that you need to prep for before you go on a on a medical mission , and these are the people that we're kind of looking for , right like people who are x , y and z these are the best people , the characteristics of somebody who should be , coming to a medical
mission yeah , that's what we did , I mean , and we had a full , we had a full house .
I was that . Yeah , me
¶ Medical Students and Mission Work
too . I think the students you weren't expecting that . Well , I mean , I was expecting , you know , a good number of students , but the room was actually packed .
Yes .
And that actually shocks me a little bit , but the students asked such great questions .
Yeah , there was a lot of medical students asking some like in-depth questions . I was like hold up a second .
Yeah , and some of them had really good experiences already and many of them had very specific ideas that they wanted to kind of talk about , you know , how , how they could execute on these ideas that they had .
So it was just , it was very I don't know , it was just very inspiring to see like , wow , these students are going to not only graduate from medical school , but they're really , you know , thinking about making a difference , not just in the United .
States see I struggle with , like they are thinking way ahead and it's really inspiring , right Like you see , that zeal you see them like , so excited to want to change the world .
And now I think a lot of people are realizing ah , you know , I could do that in the United States , but I could see like there's a bigger stage , that I can go out and really help and make a difference . So I want to do some medical missions . There were some people who already done medical missions already at that point .
So part of me was like listen , you need to focus on finishing med school first Correct . Yeah , absolutely .
But the other part of me is like man , I really don't want to stomp on that excitement that they have , Because that might be the thing that's driving them through the hard times of medical school or the hard times of trying to figure out what medical school they're going to get into . Yeah , you know , so it was . I was really impressed .
I'll leave it to that . Leave it to you like that , and I was impressed by the questions , even for the people who didn't speak up and they might even be thinking like how's that person like a first year ? Or maybe a third year , and they've already gotten medical mission experience . Like you will get there too . Eventually .
I was just overall , I was really impressed . And then the biggest thing was when the event was over , because we were competing with the president's luncheon .
A significant amount of people just stayed . Shout out to Jania Congratulations , Our 61st SMA president . But yes go ahead .
A significant amount of people stayed and they asked questions and wanted to know specifics . Like how can they make their medical mission experience better ? What could they do to improve X , y and Z ? And there were questions that I couldn't even answer .
Well , I mean , I think the most important part of it like at the end with that group of students who ended up staying , I think you did the most important thing was to share your story about you know how you got to the point where you could do medical missions and actually have that be a significant part of your life .
Right , and part of that was , you know , letting them know that you have to have certain controls over your career here in the united states if you want to be able to have the bandwidth to do medical missions um and make that a big part of your life , right , so you don't want to be strapped by money , strapped by your career .
Yeah , I was , I was really that was another thing folks is . The medical students were asking how is it that I convince my , how would I be able to convince either my residency or my job to let me do this ? I was shocked by that , because that means that they're thinking .
They know that they're not going to just be able to go willy nilly and go and do this , which is great that they're thinking about that . But it's kind of , you know like damn , like I got to worry about that additional constraint . So I shared with them .
I was just telling them for real , like you know , when I was transitioning from residency to fellowship , that's when you went to . Ghana for the first time . I did a medical mission , and then I wanted to do one , and we did it together right before we got married , and then I was hooked .
Yeah , and once I was hooked , we go pretty much on a yearly basis , and the times that we missed were when you were pregnant or the pandemic and stuff . But I think the biggest thing to share with folks is you know I was telling them like , look like , the world is your oyster , you can do whatever you want to do .
The key things is realizing that your career is going to look different , Like the person to your left , the person to your right , like your careers are not going to be the same .
Right .
But some of the things that may hold you back are having a ton of student loan debt or being in a job that you don't want to be in . So you got to be really careful to have a plan on that .
And if you decide to do medical missions , you know , just know that when you do it like it's going to bring so much reward to you and stuff and not only the people that you're helping , but also to yourself .
So you know , I just , I was really , I felt , I think that right there , put me on a high , starting doing , starting the um , the conference well , and another thing that we kind of talked to them about which a couple of students afterwards , um , came up to me and talked to me about that was , you know , thinking about the benefits of of doing a medical
mission , but also talking about the potential harms of a medical mission . Yeah , yeah . So we talked about that .
We talked about that , yeah , we talked about that move or , excuse me , that documentary that's on HBO .
Max .
What's her name ? Rachel Botch . Renee Botch , renee Botch , renee Botch , or Botch , or whatever her name is B-A-C-H , but anyway , that documentary is about a woman who has no medical training whatsoever and she went overseas and was practicing in Rwanda , I believe .
Yeah .
For about five years and significant amount of deaths on a weekly basis to the point where she finally got .
She wasn't practicing , she was experimenting .
She's not trained in medicine at all At all .
Right , so she was experimenting , so we talked a little bit about that . And then we even talked about you know , experienced and well-trained physicians going in for sustainable or you know , substantial amounts of time Right , Depending on where you are and how . That also might be harmful .
You want to share your story again about what happened in Haiti with the woman that ?
you had to do something in the camp . Oh , that .
Because there's people who are listening . The other thing we didn't give shout out to is all the new listeners that are listening .
Yes .
That the people who jumped on during the SMA conference Shout out to you . Thank you guys for watching this episode . Welcome when y'all been , but I do think that you should let people know about that story again , you know ?
Yeah , yeah , so , yeah . So that's kind of another point that we were talking about , but you know things that— Renee's like yeah , don't be—don't fast forward when you don't— .
No well , no , what I was talking about was , when you go for a substantial amount of time , potentially what you can do is you can , as a mission , potentially what you can do is you can , as a mission , potentially take away , um , the livelihood of the doctors who live in that particular country , right , so that that you have to be really careful about um .
But what you were talking about is , you know , if there are things that you have to be adaptable with but still be ethical about and that was what happened with me was when I went to Haiti and there was this young lady who I didn't know what was going on . Her abdomen was essentially a surgical abdomen .
I didn't know if she had a neck topic or if she had some other abdominal process going on . My thought process was that she had a neck topic just based process going on . My thought process was that she had an ectopic , just based on the history that she gave me . But you know , I ended up , you know just , this is during the earthquake .
Yeah , this is 2011 .
Yeah , 2010 , 2010 this is a month after the earthquake . So she comes in and so I don't have an ultrasound or anything , and I end up putting in a speculum and essentially doing a cult of synthesis , putting a needle behind her cervix and pulling back and pulling out pus , and realizing , oh , she doesn't have an ectopic , she most likely has an appendicitis .
So you know , that was that . You know , we don't really do that in the United States .
No , we don't do that , because we got CTs At least not anymore . We got ultrasounds .
Exactly .
When they got pus . They need us Right .
So we don't really do that in the United States . So I had to adapt and do something that I normally would not necessarily do in the United States , and so we kind of talked about being adaptable but also being ethical , Right . So one thing I would never do is open up her belly and take out her appendix , because that I'm definitely not trained for .
Don't do that .
So yeah , I wish I got a chance to share my story , which was about my story that I always want to talk about but I never really share . That often is just resources and you know things are just readily available in the United States or in industrialized countries but they just don't have that in other , in certain countries , and you just take it for granted .
But basically there was in the middle . I can't remember those two or three years ago .
Yeah .
Anyhow , this was an OB patient , actually a guy patient . She had surgery , and she had . She was one of the last surgeries that we did , so it was in the evening time . And then patient is recovering , you know , anesthesia team is taking care of the patient , and then , you know , patient goes back to the recovery room .
We leave , we go and we're eating dinner and then the head of our program , who's there with us , gets a call saying that yeah , like the patient is not really waking up , it's hard for her to breathe , they're bagging her .
So like we quickly leave where we're at , take a bus back to the hospital and basically we're bagging the patient in essence by hand yeah , by hand . Well , that's what bagging is .
Yeah , no , I know , but I I want excuse me , I want the , the students who may not really understand right , like we have pre-meds and stuff listening yeah .
Yeah , so we're bagging the patient because she's just uptunded , she's not , she just is not awake . Basically , what happened is the patient got anesthesia , but the medications hasn't worn off yet Worn off yet . And usually there's a medication that we give the patient , very simple medication that reverses all of that .
Narcan . Everybody knows what Narcan is nowadays .
They didn't have that at that facility , so we literally had to pay like a layman who's just like a maintenance person to get on his motorcycle , drive 30 minutes one way to another hospital , get the drug at the local pharmacy , come back on motorcycle , give the medication and she wakes up Right .
So now we're talking about almost 45 minutes to 60 , 60 minutes at least of bagging this patient . Yeah , by hand gets the medication and she wakes up and thank goodness there wasn't any long term effects or so that we could see . But it just talks , it just lets you know about .
you can take , just take things for granted yeah and that's why I think it's really important that a lot , of , a lot of students get a chance to go and see what medicine is like in the underdeveloped country or a low resourced environment so that when they come back to United States they kind of know how to be very miserly with certain resources or just to be
on the present , basically just kind of be like aware of just how how many resources we have . And do we really necessarily need that to make the diagnosis like , for example , that like you made ?
without a .
CT scan or without an ultrasound .
Yeah , you're being adapted and also knowing what your limitations are when you go overseas , understanding what you have and what you actually don't have , and don't go over there trying to be a cowboy or a cowgirl , you know , not realizing or realizing that you don't have the resources , but taking a chance anyway , yeah , don't be , don't be flipping gloves inside out
from case to case don't do that , guys , we will call you out , we will find you and send you back . Yeah , that's a true story . Flipping your gloves inside out to do another case because you ran out of gloves Not acceptable , Not acceptable . So yeah , you know , I think that's really important .
But I mean , it was really good and I think what was really great about it was that throughout the time after we did that particular session , students kept coming up to us and going oh my goodness , I really enjoyed your session . I really enjoyed your session , so hopefully we made a good impression . Enjoyed your session , so hopefully we made a good impression .
I think we did .
Yeah , I think we did , and you know it goes a
¶ Social Media Influencing in Medicine
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We'll give you the scoop as to what's going on . Yeah , let's switch or let's um , let's change directions into something that was really interesting , that we never done before , which is almost like a co-podcast broadcast at the SMA . So we did a talk with the Lounge . That is SMA's official podcast , the Lounge , which is an amazing podcast .
You guys need to be listening to that If you really want to know what medical students are thinking on a very , you know , on a what's the word I want to use If you just want to know what they're thinking listen to this podcast . You know I'm trying to get all stuff .
There's no word .
I'm trying to get smooth with it .
There's no word .
Basically , but their talk was on and we jumped in on it . Social media and medicine .
Yeah .
And in that talk we talked about like what are the positives that we can get from social media as doctors , what's the history of using social media as doctors and kind of where we're at right now with , like this huge influx of media influencers that are doctors and it was really good .
Yeah , it was really good . Yeah , they did a great job .
Yeah , yeah .
They did a great job curating the information and I was surprised . Great job curating the information . I was surprised .
There was a point where we asked the listeners , or asked the people who came , are they interested in being influencers themselves in medicine , and the majority of them raised their hands . The one thing that I didn't ask was are you interested in this because you think that your patients need to hear this , or are you interested in this because it's a bag ?
You know me .
I like to be . I mean , I think both could be mutually exclusive , or you know they can also , you know , you know they can bet , you can benefit . One can benefit off the other right , like it'd be great to talk to your patients and increase your patient profile , but also get a bag from that also .
Right , right , but it was really interesting to ask that question because I would think that the majority of doctors still would want to shy away from that and it takes like a certain personality to be there .
But I think when you see people from different backgrounds doing well on social media right , doing like different types of personalities doing well- on social media . As a physician , you're like well , why can't I do it ? Right so that that was really interesting .
Yeah .
We had two people who volunteered . One was I forget where he was from , but basically he was an entertainer , basically , and then transitioned into becoming , he's , a medical student now I think he's in his second year or third year and he's really .
His big thing now is obviously he wants to finish medical school , but he wants to make sure that he lets other people know that you know you can transition from one career to another , to our , you know to being a doctor . And then the other one was I think she was a third year , fourth year .
She's going into anesthesia , I believe , or no , she's going into ob but yeah , she was . She definitely she has like over 10k followers on tiktok and she's doing her thing .
So yeah , yeah . No , that was a really interesting um discussion because we also got into . We also got into okay , if you're going to be um a doctor and an influencer , right , whether that be social media or even reality tv . We got into . Talking about reality tv like are you putting on your true persona ?
yes , yes , yeah , that was something that you teased out .
I brought up because I said I think I forget what the question was or I think it was maybe something like what would you change about you know kind of media and whatever within medicine , and I said that they would cancel Married to Medicine . I said what I said .
Yeah , you're not a big fan of Married to Medicine .
I said what I said . No , I'm not . I'm not a big fan of Married to Medicine . The concept of Married to Medicine is good . I think the execution leaves a lot to be desired .
Well , okay , but if there were like five other shows that were something similar , where they're talking about relationships but from a married medical professionals perspective , but it wasn't as ratchet .
Ratchet is the right word . As married to medicine , would you still be ?
calling for the cancellation of that show .
No , I mean , I think listen .
Because that's what I'm saying , I think , because there's only one of that . No , it's the end of one .
No , I think it's the execution of that particular show no-transcript ratchet yes okay , initially you said no no , well , maybe you don't understand what I was talking about .
So I'm saying , yes , I would call for the cancellation for that show because , number one , I think that that show , I think that that show really , um , it really allows people to think that you could really be that ratchet and it would not have an impact on your profession . It wouldn't have an impact on your career .
You can't go to people's houses or go to events and start fighting people and throwing people into pools or whatever the heck the thing was . I'm like you can't go around doing things like that and think that that doesn't have an implication on your career .
Y'all you think it does .
I think it does , Absolutely I think it does .
What do you mean In terms of getting a misdemeanor or a felony ?
No , I don't , no , not Well , I mean , certainly it could turn into that .
Yes , right , Could turn in that you know , turn up , that you're arrested , but at the same time , if you are among your peers and we're at an event , if you and I are at an event and I just decide I'm gonna just co-slap somebody in the face , okay , and think that that's not going to have an impact on my career because I'm amongst my colleagues , then I'm
really delusional , right , and so the only reason that I would ever be doing something like that is because the cameras are on yeah , you're getting a bag from and I'm getting a bag .
I know I'm gonna get paid for clocking somebody in the you're probably getting more of a bag from that than you are from your own practice , absolutely .
But listen , I mean look but I , I mean for me I'm just like how do you sell yourself like this as medical profession ?
like like our doctors angels or something like that . I'm not saying doctors are doctors , like I'm not saying doctors are angels , but what I'm saying is that we're human .
Now listen , if you're going to show that side , show everything , Show everything .
What do you mean ? Show everything .
Show everything . I'm sorry , but like there is no way , there are consequences to things like this Like what ?
What consequences are you talking about ? I ?
mean you don't think that that would impact someone's career In what way ? That's what I said like a felony misdemeanor losing your license from smacking someone up . So , first number one , they're in a sterile environment because ain't nobody calling the cops right it's a show , right ? So nobody's calling the cops .
But if you actually did that at someone's home or at an event , yeah , somebody actually might call the cops . Show that Show when the cops show up and take somebody away .
I up and take somebody away . I need to see that the day of the Geechee's over . The day of the .
Geechee's over . I need to see that . I need to see somebody get fired from their job because of something like that . Because I just think it's a . It is a poor representation of medical professionals .
And .
I think that there are a lot of young people who are watching who feel like , oh , like , doctors are people too , which we are , and doctors certainly can act up , but doctors are not immune to the consequences of acting up they just not .
So what if someone acted like that towards you ? Like what like on married medicine . What are you gonna do ?
you mean , would I defend myself ? Yeah , absolutely , I would defend myself . I'm not gonna let somebody slap me just because I might not get a letter of recommendation .
I mean I'm going to defend myself 833-230-2860 let us know what you should do in that situation ?
I'm just playing with you I I understand I do I do that I may say or no I do think that if you would he call it , if you are going to make , well , listen , I just think that it's good to have multiple aspects of different shows , right , or what's the word I want to say ?
Different you have have , you can't just have one Like Married to Medicine is Is one right Is one aspect .
It's only just one of those shows . You need multiple types of shows . Show the whole thing then . Don't make it a sterile environment . Because , people don't live in sterile environments . People don't live .
People live with consequences , right .
People live with consequences . Consequences not because , oh , I signed this contract that I wouldn't call the cops .
But some of them have like practices because I've seen the show they go into their practice . Of course they do .
And I want to . I want to be clear . I know it's not all of them who are like that on the show . Some of them don't necessarily , you know , put out that persona , but there are a couple of them that do , and I'm just kind of like what you think . It's kind of like what you think , like this is . This is not real .
Yeah .
You know this is not real . And so I say to the premed , the med students out there , like that , this is a sterile environment that these you know , that these characters are in , so just beware . You want to be ratchet , that's fine , but you got to understand . Bravo ain't there to protect you .
But Doc's outside the boxes because we got a giveaway that we want to give .
We got some money , all right speaking of giving a bag , why don't we ?
talk about the giveaway that we did so yes if you were at snma when we were speaking at the hub or I can't remember . There were some other places where we were at yeah , doing floor interviews if you signed up for the giveaway , which is one person will win a $100 gift card . Did we say where it was from ? Was it Amazon ?
It's just the gift card . $100 gift card , don't do too much .
Another person will give a $75 gift card . Another person will win a $50 gift card . I know .
First of all , let's talk about how people was front and they didn't want to sign up for the giveaway .
Oh yeah , there was acting , Some of these people , oh whatever I'm like .
so if I gave you $100 right now , right now , if I had $100 , you smack it out of my hand .
Yeah , there was some people . There was some people who were like , listen , why don't you jump into the giveaway so that you can win some money ?
Yo , there was this little young buck . I was like yo , if I had $100 . Looks shy though he's a shy guy . Yeah , he was shy , but he would have taken the money , that's that's what I'm saying , but he didn't want to bring up , but she was kind of intimidating him though . So , and well , you said being ratchet was okay .
Well , you know , maybe that's what it was , and I'm married to medicine you probably should have toned it down a little bit , but he was kind of .
He was kind of ratchet or excuse me , he was kind of scared a little bit , but hey , it is what it is . But for everyone who signed up we did say that april when I get april 2nd , which is tomorrow , when this episode comes out that we will be letting people know who won the the giveaway , so why don't we do ? Do you want to do the $50 one ?
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money . So let's pivot real quick . Before we end this , I want to talk about thoughts , some thoughts that I had in my mind as the event is going on as well . As you know , on the plane home I got a chance to kind of debrief and let me look at my notes .
So one of the things that I said in my mind is , no matter the turnover , the one thing that remains the same , right . These are things that I think to myself . Right , because now I graduated 2006 and have been in and out of SNMA for some time .
You have been very consistent , from 2006 up until now , with your participating , hence why you have an emeriti position . But for someone like me , who's , you know , been on the outskirts and then coming back in , the things that remain the same .
To me that really stand out is , even though there's a constant , like every four year , turning over of medical students , yeah , and even on a yearly basis , of pre-med students , the one thing that stays the same is that they need mentorship . Yes , right , like pre-meds constantly have anxiety of are they going to get into medical , which med school to choose .
You know , like , how many recommendations they need . Like this stuff gets expensive . Can they afford to do this ?
It's exhausting .
It gets really exhausting and I think , just talking to them , you like , if you just sit there and just listen to them and you know , when you're like 14 years out or 15 years out , you're like you know you've been there , you'll get in like they can't see that , like right . That air of just relax . You know , you'll make it , you know .
And you know , I caught myself almost about to say that to people . You know , and you know , I caught myself almost about to say that to people .
But then I thought about , I was like look like you have to go through the process , the stress , yeah , Before you can get to the point where you're giving someone advice and saying ah , you know you'll be all right . It's all going to work out . It's like no , it's not motherfucker , I don't know Shit , am I going to get in , or what ? This is tough .
Yeah , there's a lot , yeah , you know , even past , even past getting into medical school . Right , am I going to get through medical school ?
Yeah , I mean , if you're in medical school they're thinking about , am I going to pass my test ?
I don't have enough time to pass my test and take boards . Am I doing enough questions ?
Should I continue ?
to read the text . Am I going to get ?
into residency . Do I have the points to get into residency ?
How do I ?
handle conflict ? Yeah , if you're a resident , how ?
do I have the points to get into residency ? How do I handle conflict If you're a resident ? How do I handle conflict ? I don't get along with my chief resident , or I don't get along with my co-resident Program director . Should I do a fellowship ?
How about relationships ? You were giving relationships to my mentee .
You're giving relationships .
On relationship advice . On how . On relationship advice yeah , on how to handle .
you know , breakup , A breakup .
How to handle . You know , even interacting with her parents , like these are things that are just so like . Oh , my God , it's like .
Yeah .
When you're talking to someone going through , you're like shit . I remember all this stuff . Not having the answers . Yeah , not having not having the answers , not having the perspective , just like yo , like I don't know what I'm going to do today .
I don't know what I'm going to do tomorrow , or how do I figure this out , because I don't know how I'm going to end up , right ?
Yeah , yeah , it's a lot .
It's a lot to think about , y'all .
And yeah .
I definitely heard a lot . And then you know , there was people who would come up to us and say , hey , we listen to your show . Yo shout out to the folks from the universe emmanuel and josh shout out to emmanuel and josh university of california , san francisco , psychiatry program .
I think their first years yep psychiatry residents yep , yeah , they are the most .
These guys have been listening to our podcast for a significant period of time .
Yeah , they gave us the biggest props emmanuel was like this is wild , this is wild .
Yeah , he was really like , really excited . Yeah , he souped our heads up . He was excited to see me .
He souped our heads up .
No , he souped my heads up , but he was like I can't believe I'm meeting you . I can't believe , dr Darko , I can't believe that you did that . He was saying that to both of us . No , he was talking to me .
He was saying that to both of us .
No , he was talking to me .
He literally made us feel like celebrity status . Our corny little asses you by proxy , whatever .
Yo , emmanuel , thank you very much Because yo real quick . Another thought that I had was yo , the medical influencers at the SNMA . Damn , y'all are on point .
Shit . Who did we see ?
Yo , we saw Dr Matthew or Dr Iggy . We had Dr Triggs , the plastic surgeon , there . There was a whole bunch of other people oh .
I can't even think who else was there . Dr Tosin was there , yes .
Dr Tosin was there .
I didn't get a chance to see her . Dr Stephen Bradley was there . Yes , he was . Who else ? Who else was there ? Oh my gosh , If we forgot you , I'm sorry .
Well , either way , there were so many . If you're listening to this and you're a medical influencer , we didn't mention you . We see you .
Oh , Ipersevere .
Yeah , he was there , he's a med student . He's the one who matched at PCOM Family Medicine . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , he's been a listener to .
Docs Outside the Box from the get-go .
So shout out to you Congratulations . He's from Ghana .
There's a lot of Ghanaians there .
Nigerians , caribbeans Yo , there's a lot .
Hey yo , there's a lot Whoa Yep .
I saw some of my students there shout out to James Abouache yeah , he's at University of California . Yep . Shout out to Darren Ward Drew , drew yep , both of them are at Drew . Um , those are two of my medec students yeah , yep , so let's talk about the women real quick wait , wait , wait .
And Denise Asamoah um , pre-med still , but shout out to her sister . I forget her sister's name , but , um , yeah , she's a . Her sister's a med student . So some of my medic students out there , uh , yeah , all right women .
How are they dressing ?
they did good . They did good me , they did good . They did good for the most part . They did good for the most part for the most part . There were some that I was like oh , baby , let's talk about the sum , because that's what people tune in . Let's talk about this there were some that I was like oh baby , let me take you aside .
I didn't think if you have to strap your shoes , if you have to wrap your shoes up your leg , the straps , what do you think ?
Well , for the banquet . That might be appropriate , Maybe not for the how much thigh meat should be shown . For the banquet . That might be okay , it depends . I can't believe you don't get me canceled .
Look at you all conservative no , no , no . Look at you being all conservative and stuff no , no , no . I will tell you this you should be wearing pantyhose , like shut up .
Anyway , I haven't worn pantyhose in like 20 years , so I don't really care about pantyhose . No , I will tell you this . Though I will tell you this there are some things that I think women can wear , no matter what size they are , but you got to wear them in your size . Like that's important .
I don't care what size you are , you have to wear it in your size . If you pulling and tugging on a dress , it is not your size , that's it . That is the marker . I pulled on this dress two times . If you pulled on the dress two times , it's not your size . Take it off , baby .
Take it off alright , let's shift to the men to the men pull your shoes up are you gonna ?
pull your shoes up I don't get it pull your shoes up like martin lawrence . Yo man pull your shoes up oh , because their pants are too high , oh my goodness okay , that's okay .
Yeah , so the dudes the dudes for the most part did a really good job , like the women .
Most of the dudes . If you're wearing freaking things , that's above the ankle but not quite three quarters .
Y'all showing too much Achilles . I'm like , damn , how much Achilles are you showing yo Like when you see the whole Achilles , including the ash that's coming from the back of the shoe . You know the back of the shoe , you know the back of the shoe , that's rubbing on the back of the ash , like on the back of the Achilles .
It's like yo , above the ankle bone you can see that too the medial malleolus , anilateral malleolus to the calf muscle , yo Pull your shoes up , sir . But for the most part they did a good job . But some of them was Brand . This stuff was a little too tight .
A little too tight , it was a little too young . Look , the bar is if you pull at your clothes , if you're pulling at your clothes at any point , but you don't have to pull your clothes .
I mean , some of these pants . They're made to be short , like that .
No , no , no , I'm not talking about the ankle stuff .
They're like capri pants or something .
I'm talking about Capri slacks . I'm talking about some of the men be tugging at the top Right Because it's just too tight around the crotch and the waist .
Yeah , I need space , I need space , I need space there guys , I need space If you pull twice on your clothes . It is not your size . Those European cuts , they just , they're not giving too much space .
You got two times to pull and then you know it's not your size . You just know that's it .
That's the rule it's amazing how , like if you show me in 2014 or 2004 , compared to how they dress it now , it's like baggy . Everything to like european cut they talk bad about us too .
Now it's our turn . We old enough ?
they talk bad about us too .
Now it's our turn . We old enough . They talk bad about us too . I'm sure there's something that I wore that somebody was like mm-mm , mm-mm , mm-mm , mm-mm . Let me pull you aside .
If I remember you , you were wearing you dressed like a goody two-shoes . How did I dress like a good tie on the side ?
what does that even mean ? Me like surely wasn't , whatever anyway let's transition .
I don't know what that ? Let's transition . Last but not least , yo guys we're going to be releasing some things on social media , where we the floor interviews . Yeah , we did some floor interviews where we just grabbed just random people med students , pre-meds and just asked them questions yeah right .
Some of the questions that we asked them were things like why did you choose SNMA over other student organizations ? What specialty would you definitely not consider , as they're in medical school or as they're in pre-meds ? Just to kind of see what they definitely don't want . And then we asked them what do they want ?
So we're not going to be able to give you a little sample right now , but maybe later on , in later episodes , we'll be able to do that . But also check us out on all social medias at Docs Outside the Box .
Wait , wait , wait , wait , wait . Before you do that , let's ask the audience the best question .
Of course I'm not at that , but I'm just telling them where they can follow up on it Okay , okay , okay , but before we end this , though we want to ask a really good question to y'all listen , if you are listening right now , right , if you're on youtube or if you're on you know , whatever you're listening to us audio wise , text us at 833-230-2860 or just send
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So I want to know never have I ever at an snma amac conference ? Yes , that's what we want to know . Now , the answers that we had there were some people like the beginning . They were like oh never have I ever missed church on the Sunday of Easter . It's like shh .
My mom's watching .
Like never have I ever cheated on a test ?
Like shut your ass up Like why are you lying ?
And then , as people started to get used to it , they started seeing other people answer the questions . Then we really started getting some answers a little juicier .
So , dr renee you on the spot .
Never have I , ever at an snma conference . Don't forget , I got you recorded , so what ?
let's see if your answer stays consistent never have I , ever , at an snma conference , passed out drunk . Are you sure been drunk ? Haven passed out drunk .
Are you sure ?
Been drunk , haven't passed out drunk .
At an SMA conference .
Yeah , I've never passed out drunk .
As a pre-med .
No , definitely not as a pre-med .
But you was older though , you was like 30 . Shut up .
I'm not 30 . Shut up . Never have I ever Nii Go , Never have I ever what , All right guys , I ever knee go .
Never have I ever what . All right guys . Thank you for tuning in to docs outside the box . Guys , no , make sure you text us at 1-833-230-2860 shout out to everybody on youtube . Shout out to everybody listening to us on the podcast . We will catch you guys on the next one , and that no that's not a wrap .
No , don't cut it off , alfred . Never have I ever at an sma conference . Do not cut this off , alfred , go go my mic is off no , it's not go . Never have I ever go .