¶ Verbal Agreements and Legal Obligations
Yo , if you have a verbal agreement with someone can you be held like legally liable to still pay that person's tuition ? I'm like hell , no , she's like well , legally yes .
No , I said legally maybe , because if there's a meeting of the minds and the verbal agreement says if you make it to medical school I will pay your entire tuition , for example , if you win the lottery I will give you half . And if you win and I don't give you half , what happens ? I think people go to court and people actually win .
Like I tell people on Instagram all the time , if you listen to Docs Outside the Box , I'll give you $20 .
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I'm Dr Ne , dr Renee . Yeah , we are live , and after dark , kids are asleep and we want to talk about some stuff .
Yeah , we want to talk about some of the ish on our feed .
Who's watching us ? Who's watching us ? How do we know who's watching us ?
I don't know , let's just do the live and then , if nobody watching , Somebody on Facebook is watching us . It's probably me signed in it's your mom .
My mom on Facebook , all right . So what are we talking about ?
So we're going to talk about some things that you know we've seen on our feed . There's a lot going on out there in the world Some things that are real heavy , some things that are really light .
Let's keep it light .
You want to keep it light ? All right . So I'm going to share my screen and see what comes up for us .
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So what happened ?
I said don't share all your tabs .
All my tabs are going to be showing on Instagram . I mean well , basically on Instagram .
Recently , when I received an email from the college regarding the upcoming semester fees , I responded , but they should direct any further inquiries to Cindy . Cindy called me screaming and crying and accusing me of being cruel and heartless for cutting her off . She says that her family couldn't afford the tuition and that she would have to take out a loan .
I told her she's not my concern anymore and I blocked her . This decision has caused a rift among my friends and family . While most of them support my decisions , some have criticized me for not honoring my previous promise to Cindy .
Even my own mother is urging me to reconsider , citing my past promise and the fact that paying for Cindy's education wouldn't be a financial issue for me . Truthfully , I have the means to pay for Cindy's entire medical school education without difficulty , but I can't shake the feeling of betrayal caused by Claire's cheating and Cindy's complicity .
But I feel conflicted . So am I the wrong person ? Nope , am I the asshole ?
Hmm , so Well you have to stop sharing .
Well , so is he . Is he the a-hole ? No , they can see us . Is he the a-hole ?
Oh , they can still see us . Yeah , hell , no , he's not the asshole , why not ? I definitely wouldn't pay for her . You wouldn't pay , no , so let me just make sure I'm correct Cindy is his ex-wife .
Yes .
Claire is the Sister Sister and Claire is the one that he's supposed to be paying tuition to right . Yeah , tuition for yeah , absolutely not . Yo I complicit and not saying anything , that bank of knee darko would be closed .
Hell to the nuts , so you wouldn't pay for my sister .
Absolutely not . No , if she was complicit in letting you cheat no , absolutely not . I guess you're going to have to go to the bank and get your own loan , because you ain't getting it from me . So what was ?
she supposed to do ? What was she supposed to do ?
So okay . So here's . Here's the thing , right , like the way how I look at it is once you marry someone , you become family , right , and in family you're not supposed to have like favorites , right ? Okay ? So you chose your favorite by deciding to side with your sister , okay , and that inevitably caused the destruction of our relationship .
This relationship is done , so we don't have any type of . Now that we're done and we're not married anymore , there is no like , what's the word Loyalty ? Well , it's not even loyalty anymore . Now it's are you going to keep your word in terms of providing education to her or providing a financial means for her ? That's gone , right , okay .
So I would say no , I don't owe you anything . Okay , I would have preferred if you helped me maintain my relationship with my wife at the point .
No , but that's what I'm asking . What do you think that she should have done ? Because if she had divulged that information right , then potentially that might have ruined the relationship that she has with her sister .
Yeah , I got it , but because she didn't say anything it made the . Well , we don't know that she didn with her sister . Yeah , I got it , but because she didn't say anything it made the .
Well , we don't know that she didn't say anything to her sister . We don't know that she didn't say anything to her sister . I mean , she could have said something to her sister .
What does complicit mean ? Did he talk about what she did ? The sister ?
did I forget ?
Because that's the key she was helping arrange the secret rendezvous . How complicit is complicit Either way , no .
Yeah , I mean . It's not that I don't agree with you , it's a no for me . I agree with you , I do agree with you .
I know your questions will kind of help to possibly sow seeds of doubt , but there ain't no doubt for me . Once we got the deed , the divorce we done . That was it . That was it . Here's your FAFSA .
Right . So what's her name ? Cindy ? Cindy , I think , is the sister's name , so Cindy has to pay for herself , absolutely .
Yeah , what are your thoughts ?
No , I mean , I agree with you . I think that once that relationship is done , it's done . The only question is is there a legal obligation ? Because you already said that you were going to pay for it .
How can there be a legal ? How can you put someone on the ? How can you ? I mean , there's no contract right . No , that's a verbal agreement .
So that's a verb , that's a verbal agreement . I understand that ?
I understand that . I understand that . Can that be legally back ? Can you take someone to court for that ?
Well , I mean , you could take anybody to court for anything , but that actually might be legally binding , really .
So if you promise to get something for somebody verbally , they can take you to court because you didn't get it for them and they would win .
Possibly .
Possibly Based off of what ?
Based on the fact that there was a meeting of the minds . Right , there was a meeting of the minds about something . If I get into medical school , you agree to pay for that right ? I mean , it's like any other service right , like if I , you know , if I decide to be your wedding planner , you will pay me for that ?
Yeah , but usually you're signing something , you're putting a deposit down . Not always , though , and so forth , but has somebody ever won that argument ?
A verbal agreement ? Yes , yes , absolutely . Where In the absence ?
well , you know what I'm about to say you go to Judge Judy all the time . That's right Judge .
Judy Shut up .
I want to know is that the case ?
No , but if there is a meeting of the minds . Absent of a written contract ?
absent of a written contract if there is a meeting of the minds , it is very possible that that is legally binding . So on , judge , judy has that occurred ?
Yes , absolutely . That happens all the time .
Give me an example real quick , if you can think of one .
It happens . All that's most of her problems on the show . Yes , that is most of the cases on the show . Most of the cases on the show come about because people do not write written agreements . They don't have written agreements .
Okay , so then let me ask you this question . So then , if a guy proposes to a woman and- .
That's a different story . He gives her an engagement ring . That's a different story .
Isn't the engagement ring on the premise that you are going to move forward with marriage ? Yes , okay , so then if the marriage doesn't go forth right , correct . If the marriage Then she has to give the ring back . If the marriage , then she has to give the ring back . So she has to give the ring back , right , but I thought like it's a gift .
No , no , no , no , it's a . It's a conditional gift , right , it's a conditional gift because it's based on the premise that it will lead to a marriage . Right , right . So , for example , let's say they get . Let's say they do get married . Right , let's say they do get married .
It is possible that if the woman decides like listen , I want to divorce you the following week , that she could keep that ring because she went through with the marriage , technically it's possible . I don't know , I'm not a lawyer , I can't say . I'm just saying that it is very possible that there could be some sort of so there's no room for reneging .
I don't understand that part . You can't just say I just don't want to pay anymore .
No , you can't do that . You have to have yet another meeting of the minds or you now have to have something written . For example , if you have something written , right , if you have something written . Once you have a written agreement , I shouldn't let you watch Judge Judy all the time .
Once you have a written agreement , a written agreement , I shouldn't let you watch Judge Judy all the time . Once you have a written agreement , according to Judge Judy , I'm not a lawyer , nobody come after me . But once you have a written agreement , you cannot go back and change that agreement verbally .
You have to write something down , something has to be written to prove that there was a meeting of the minds outside of the original written agreement . But if you do not have a written agreement , if it's just verbal , then yes , you can change the terms of that agreement .
What if it's not agreed upon ? So what if someone says , hey , listen , like I ain't got the money anymore . Maybe I'll just pay like half a semester ?
No , but there was a meeting of the minds .
Originally the person says the person who's supposed to be getting that money says yeah , no , I need the full amount , Right , and then the other person's like I can't pay . So what happens then ? This is all verbal .
Okay .
Yeah , stay close to the microphone .
Okay , hold on one second , hold on . I don't even know if this is live .
Hold on , are we not live , guys ? We may not be . Yeah , everybody on Instagram . You missed out on so much good conversation , man . Oh my goodness Dang , you missed out . Should we go back ?
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Yo , let's start all over again real quick , guys . I know on YouTube you saw us . I don't know if I get my YouTube .
You saw us talking about it , but hold on real quick . On Instagram , we're going to replay this .
Replay this . Okay , okay , okay , okay , okay .
And then if you're seeing us on Instagram , so they're not seeing what we're seeing .
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¶ Refusing to Pay for Sister's Education
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So for refusing to pay for my ex-wife's sister's college . I , 30 male , was married to my ex-wife , claire , 28 , female , for four years until I found out she had been cheating on me with an ex-boyfriend .
During the divorce proceedings , I learned that Claire's younger sister , cindy , 20 year old , female , had known about the affair but chose to keep quiet about it and help Claire hide the affair from me and her family . Before all of this , I had promised to pay for Cindy's medical school costs .
As myself and my family are wealthy and despite the divorce , I decided I was going to pay for her education , as at the time , I felt I didn't need to punish Cindy for what her sister did . However , once I found out that Cindy was complicit , in hiding Claire's infidelity , I felt betrayed and decided to revoke my offer .
I told Cindy eight months back that she would have to look for a loan . I had already paid for one semester .
Recently , when I received an email from the college regarding the upcoming semester fees , I responded that they should direct any further inquiries to Cindy Right , cindy called me screaming and crying and accusing me of being cruel and heartless for cutting her off . She says that her family couldn't afford the tuition and that she would have to take out a loan .
I told her she is not my concern anymore and I blocked her . This decision has caused a rift among my friends and family . While most of them support my decisions , some have criticized me for not honoring my previous promise to Cindy .
Even my own mother is urging me to reconsider , citing my past promise and the fact that paying for Cindy's education wouldn't be a financial issue for me . Truthfully , I have the means to pay for Cindy's entire medical school education without difficulty , but I can't shake the feeling of betrayal caused by Claire's cheating and Cindy's complicity .
But I feel conflicted . So am I the law ? Nope , okay .
She's like nope . So what say you , dr Ne ? What say you Of ?
course he's not the asshole . He's not . He's not an asshole . I wouldn't pay . I wouldn't pay . So I'm glad that you replayed it , because the first time I heard it I thought that she just kind of knew about it . But it's saying that she was complicit in helping hide the infidelity . So absolutely not , I ain't paying for Jack .
I ain't paying for nothing N paying for jack . I ain't paying for nothing , nary nothing . She ain't getting nothing , nada . So I don't know why you would even offer that in the first place . First of all , he got cornball anyway .
So well , I mean probably because it's it was his wife's sister and he felt like that was his sister and he would do that for his family well , you shouldn't pay for someone like entire education because they got to have skin in the game anyway .
so so I wouldn't do that anyway . But anyhow , now that the relationship is over and they are divorced , dude just run turn the other way , ain't paying nothing . So he's not the asshole for thinking that I wouldn't pay nothing . So I don't disagree with you . But what . I she was a part of it .
She was a part of the whole scheme and the secrets and lies and she probably helped usher in some things . No , not paying nothing .
I don't disagree with you . However , the only thing I would like to know is yo , Cindy , what school you go to , Because we need to have you on the show Cindy not in school .
That's why Cindy's not in school . Right , you need to fill out a FAFSA .
I want to know who Cindy is .
She need to get a FAFSA . You need to get a signature student loan . You need to be beholden . You should have said something , Because that's what I would have been . I'm like yo , this dude is paying for my education . I can't do dude like that .
I can't do dude like that . I understand that , but would that have ruined the relationship between her and her sister ? It's possible , right ?
But she's got a relationship with her brother-in-law .
I mean , I understand that , but at this point the relationship with her brother-in-law seems like it's only financial .
Well , at this point now , yeah , but she made it that way , right Right , by choosing . She chose basically to hide infidelity . She chose to hide infidelity . In essence , she's choosing her blood sister over her in-law brother , right Right , when , in essence , they should all be considered family .
Okay .
What's right is right , what's wrong is wrong .
Okay , so would you ever out a family member to an in-law ?
Yes , you would , Because for me what's right is right Really .
It was going's become part of my family . That's it , really , really .
Especially if someone's paying my financial aid . Med school Shoot Yo , listen , sis . Yo let me come talk to you right now , sis . I know you saved me from the bully when I was 12 , but listen , odu he going to pay my student ?
Come on now now Yo , would y'all out your own sibling to an in-law ? That's what I want to know . That's what I want to know .
But when we actually went live , what we came in talking about was is there potentially a legal standing for Cindy to now come back and be like nah , dude , you owe me tuition because you said you were going to pay and listening to it again , especially because he already paid the first semester so which means he started working in on that agreement .
You watch Judge Judy and I don't know if that's A lot . Can you even bring that in ? Is that really real ?
law .
Is that real law ?
Of course it's real law .
I don't know if I would rely on that . It's legally binding .
They agree to whatever she says right , they do agree to whatever she says , so it's almost like is this like a kangaroo court ? And they just like Well no , her cases are supposed to be real so they take them from the dockets of like different , like small claims courts and stuff . So most of most of the cases are real .
Every , every now and then she's kind of like , yeah , I don't believe this case . So the question I have for her is if this because she she basically Renee's talking like yo , if you have a verbal agreement with someone , can you be held like legally liable to still pay that person's tuition ? I'm like hell . No , she's like . Well , legally yes .
No , I said legally maybe .
I don't know . I said legally maybe I don't know .
Because if there's a meeting of the minds and you have a verbal agreement and the verbal agreement says if you make it to medical school , I will pay your entire tuition . That's like , for example , if you win the lottery I will give you half no-transcript . What happens , I don't know . I think people go .
No , I think people go to court and people actually win because there's a there is a verbal agreement .
I don't feel like doing the research in that . If someone has seen that , just put it in there in the show notes or something like that . Is there a way we could see notes and stuff for ?
yeah , we can see some notes . We could see some notes , yeah , yeah .
I don't know , but I really I don't know about any of that stuff . All I know is that I verbally say stuff to people all the time . I don't verbally . I do not expect them to come back , like I tell people on Instagram all the time . If you listen to Docs Outside the Box , I'll give you twenty dollars , right .
But you're not me . There's no one person that you're saying that to . There's no one person that you're saying that to Now . There's no one person that you're saying that to Now . Everybody going to go and take you to Judge . Judy . Shut up Judy . Justice now , which I don't watch . I like Judge .
Judy , I'm interested in what people think about this , because I don't think this is hard at all . I think that once you get a divorce and also you throw on First of all , once you get a divorce , that's it . You're not like the whole thing about family and the obligations with family . That kind of goes out the window . Right , yeah , we know you .
And then the other thing that is like well , she was complicit in this .
It's like now you add on like the oil . So let's say she came to you .
Let's say she came to you . Actually , hold on , why don't you give your opinion ? I said I agree with you , so you wouldn't pay .
I wouldn't pay . Okay , absolutely . But let's say she came to you . Let's say she came to you and she was like yo , renee , creeping on you , yo , what would you do ? Would you pay ? Yeah ?
I'd be like yo if it turns out to be true . It's almost like the tip line , right ? Yeah , this is contingent on if the tip is correct . And if I find out that she what do you call it ? She , you know move , shaking and moving behind my back , then , yes , you know , sis , I got you . Thank you so much . You know all these different things .
Wow , you saved me all this heartache . You know what's 200 ? How much is it ? It would have been like he's wealthy yeah , he's wealthy . So it's like a drop in the bucket . It probably got it . Boom , move on . Maybe . Maybe .
Actually , to be honest with you , if I got a divorce and she gave me that information , maybe I'd say , look , I'll just pay your first two cents .
¶ Split Episode
That's messed up . Nii , that's messed up . Now , you wrong . You wrong for that . You wrong for that , but anyway . So that was the first thing on our feed . Okay , you wrong for that , but whatever .
What's going on everyone ? It's your boy , dr Nii . Listen , this conversation , this episode doesn't just stop right here . We split it up . So make sure you check out the next episode so you can hear exactly how this conversation , how this idea , how this episode finishes up .
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