Physicians Recruitment & Enhancing Career Flexibility with Beginly Health. #436

And then there's locums recruiters , and all three of those folks are all desperately interested in the same group of people , which is you . If you're getting those beautiful postcards in the mail , beautiful landscape , really everything oh my gosh , don't you really want to go ? And then you call it oh man , that job actually never existed or doesn't exist anymore .

I thought that's crazy .

But what I don't love is being inundated with emails and having to scroll through a bunch of job offers trying to lure me in with things that don't matter to me as a physician , a husband and a dad . That is until I found Beginly . Beginly is built for physicians by physicians .

It's the only online platform that puts me first , matching me to jobs that fit my professional and personal goals . It's easy and free for doctors to use and it's anonymous no having to set up calls with a recruiter only to find out it's a bad match .

I can quickly check my Beginly profile for a match and then get back to doing the things that I love , like having dinner with my family , working out and being a surgeon . I'm still going to dance . I don't care what y'all say , but join Beginly today . Are you ready to begin ? It's free to sign up . Go to beginlyhealthcom . What's good everyone .

This is Dr Nii . Listen , we're here at Docs Outside the Box . We got Christy Olson with Beginly Health actually the founder of Beginly Health which is a new , let's just say technologically savvy , way to look for a job . Christy , welcome to Docs Outside the Box . How are you doing ?

And you know , if you're having a regular job , if you're an attending , you've been out there for five years or however long , and you can't stand your fellow partners or whatever the situation is hey , it's , you know , New . Year's resolution time . It's time for you to change time . It's time for you to change .

We have a viable option , a different look on the way how you should be looking at jobs here at Beginly Health . So , Christy , let's jump right into what is Beginly so folks can understand what they're listening to .

I mean , the tools that exist right now for recruiters to find physicians for jobs are not great , and it's a lot about like how many lists can we buy and how many people can we call , and that just makes for a really terrible experience for a physician .

So basically , what came to be is I kept dreaming about this different platform where you , as a physician , get to sort of be in control of who you talk to dating app , fill out a profile , tell me about your clinical preferences , but also tell me about your personal preferences and the things that are important to you as you look for a job that are not just

clinical . Also , what do you like to do in your free time , what kind of things are you looking for in a place you want to live ?

And so you end up building this sort of comprehensive , more holistic representation of yourself in the platform , and then on the other side of it , we have employers uploading jobs , answering similar questions and what I'm going to tee up to you in the platform is best fit jobs , so kind of .

You know , Venn diagram , percent overlay this is a really high match clinically . Low match personal .

But the whole point of this thing is that let us do the work , let some technology do the work on your behalf so you don't have to talk to a bunch of recruiters unnecessarily to find out that the one thing that's a deal breaker , you know , is you learned that on your first phone call and that was a . It was a waste of your time anyway .

So we use technology to sort of pre-qualify the employer for you and show you things that you actually are interested in engaging with

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So , what are some of the things that we need to know , or some things that we should know about , like some secrets that you got ?

It's just to like , if I send enough emails and enough text messages , enough phone calls , somebody's going to call me back and that's the strategy . Those are the things that exist right now . So people are buying your information left and right , whether you feel like you've existed or not .

Of course , if you're , I think , people you know , you can buy lists associated with your licenses and your boards and all that kind of stuff . But I thought that was really interesting . And then , and then there's the NPI data bank . So I mean there's , there's all kinds of different places where , if you want to pay enough , you can give .

So know that , Give us some more .

Then there's recruiters agency recruiters that are being paid commission to put you in a job , so just mixed incentives there . And then there's locums recruiters , and all three of those folks are all desperately interested in the same group of people , which is you .

And just to know you know , if you're getting those beautiful postcards in the mail , which I think you've told me that you've received , those beautiful landscape , really everything , oh my gosh , don't you really want to go ? And then you call it oh man , that job actually never existed or doesn't exist anymore .

It has a place with nice scenery and it would say competitive salary , but you don't know specifically what it is . You know it'll say competitive , competitive salary , desired location in a college town .

You see my address as Jersey , you know , but you know more to what you said , like it's this numbers game Like I know that the likelihood of someone from Jersey going all the way to Wisconsin or whatever Wyoming is low . But hey , I got their name .

You can go to one of these job boards or somewhere else and fill out a profile and feel like you . I told them what I wanted . I told them I only want to work in Jersey . Doesn't matter , you're going to get phone calls from recruiters in Oregon .

Didn't hold my team back , so it just it's kind of too bad , but I think that's what this industry has morphed into . Is that there's not a lot of y'all , and because of that , you're going to get everyone's going to be calling you .

And it's funny because talking with residents , initially that feels really good , like everybody wants me , and then when you get into it , you're like this is so overwhelming and unhelpful . I really wish that I could just talk to the people that I actually want to talk to . Yeah .

But when it's time to look for a job , like you are in control and it's completely different than applying to residency , different than applying to residency , which is probably scary too right .

We're kind of doing that for you , and if you don't know how to answer a question , we're going to tell you , give you a little bit of detail behind it , and so you're going to learn something about the process .

You're going to sort of be forced to take a step back and almost do like an internal audit of what's important to you as you answer these questions .

So the goal is is that , yeah , even if you don't find your dream job on Beginly , you're going to have set yourself up much better because you were more thoughtful and educated about the nuances that do actually exist .

I often , I think a lot of the questions that we built in this tool were questions that you would end up getting asked or asking in a first interview with a medical director or maybe with a recruiter . So sort of like , let's just do that early , right , that was the spirit of the questions .

So we're going to run you through your clinical questions and then we're going to run you through the personal I'm going to share the screen while you're talking , you keep going . So then tell me things about personal . We talked about this a little bit . Are you looking for a position that is PSLF eligible , or are you an NHSE scholar ?

Whatever it is , everybody has a thing that they're bringing with them . Do you have spouses or partners to consider ?

And so you're going to fill out this profile and then what's happening on the other side is the employer is uploading their jobs , they're answering similar questions and I'm going to tee up best fit jobs to you in the platform , based on you and what you said you want .

So I would hope that the questions or the jobs that you see are going to be different than your co-resident , because your desires and needs are different than theirs . And so here's the things that are really a good fit for you .

And then what you get to do is , once you're in it and you assess and we have I can't tell you every single time I get on with the employer . Enough with the vague BS . Nobody wants competitive comp and great bennies . They want to know what do you mean by competitive comp . What does the schedule mean ? What does full-time mean to your organization ?

The more you put in , the more engagement you're going to get . Like it's not . It's really not that , um , not that hard . I remember one of the questions you asked me , one of the questions , you .

Or you know , like I got to find a job and she got to find a job , you know . So it was really very I liked the way that you asked the questions , because it's like , oh , I didn't even think about that , or I didn't even think that it would even matter that I had loans , how much loans I had , and you know , am I in PSLF right now ?

right or like you said , am I , you know , am I in any of these type of repayment programs ? Those things are super important that I didn't think about , you know so .

The ? only things that are kind of mandatory are a specialty match , a location match and a credential match . Everything else is just score-based . So it's important to just say everything about yourself . It's not going to preclude you from seeing other things , it's just going to dictate how high they are in your sort of match score .

Same thing on the employer side .

But what I don't love is being inundated with emails and having to scroll through a bunch of job offers trying to lure me in with things that don't matter to me as a physician , a husband and a dad . That is until I found Beginly . Beginly is built for physicians by physicians .

It's the only online platform that puts me first , matching me to jobs that fit my professional and personal goals . It's easy and free for doctors to use and it's anonymous no having to set up calls with a recruiter only to find out it's a bad match .

I can quickly check my Beginly profile for a match and then get back to doing the things that I love , like having dinner with my family , working out and being a surgeon . I'm still going to dance . I don't care what y'all say , but join Beginly today . Are you ready to begin ? It's free to sign up . Go to beginlyhealthcom .

So to folks who are like concerned about like okay , because there's a question about work-life balance , right , that's sometimes something that people , particularly residents , are like . I don't know what to say what should I say about this does that hurt them at all ?

They're going to get a high level of lots of them but not detail of like , oh , all they care about is work-life balance . They must be like there's no room for misinterpretation with the way you answer questions , but it's important stuff . I mean , this is how you find satisfaction in a role . Hit me .

So you're just , you're perusing .

So confidentiality on the front end . For I think for a resident it's funny because they'll say , well , I don't really need to be confidential because everybody knows I need to find a job . So I understand that . But how this plays for you is that you're not going to get endless phone calls , right .

So it's confidential in that it's just helping you only talk to the people that you actually want to talk to . For a practicing doc , it's going to be important .

I think it's really hard for a practicing physician to even sort of go check out what's going on out there without people sort of knowing Right , and so this is an opportunity to to build a profile and just see .

It's like so-and-so joined yesterday and here's what they want . And then guess what ? Yeah , so if you were a practicing physician and you didn't know that it happened to me several times at my last job , where I'd be like , oh my God , dr Solentz is looking for a job . So just know , I mean just going to be careful .

You got to be careful who you respond to from those postcards and text messages . There's some validation that needs to happen . So I think , yeah again , just be mindful of the industry . But that's that's why we created this , like we don't want to expose you unnecessarily .

So we talked about this a little bit before too is , I think , if you don't , if you have a specific question and you're not finding it in the you know the job description that they've written you can also anonymously ping the recruiter and say hey , this is a really important sort of deal breaker for me and ask questions back and forth .

You're going to be now kind of in the hands of the recruiter , which I think is okay Because , honestly , what I do have to say is that recruiters , especially the ones that represent the employers , really do care and want you to have a good experience . It's just that front end process of trying to identify people is the ugly part .

But I think once you get on with a recruiter , you likely will have a pretty good experience , and so you'll run through their process and pretty quickly be able to be on the phone with the medical directors , should it be interesting to you .

But , again , like , once you're trying to recruit a , you already you should know 90% of the things that are important to you because they put it in in the platform for you to assess . You're not getting on the phone starting from scratch with recruiters saying like , oh , what's your IPSA score ?

I live in Portland , so we've kind of taken a initial stab at um employers in the Northwest , um and California actually now too , um , and moving our way East , uh , we actually have some contracts that are about to come through with some stuff in the Midwest and in the Southeast . So stay tuned .

But we have about 40 different employers represented right now and counting it's just . You know it's growing quickly but we're kind of being in the moment .

These are the things that you want to just be matched on , not have to find out on the phone , and so that's the spirit of this thing . So any specialty is welcome Any year .

Honestly , I think if you're in training and you're an intern , you can still fill this out and find some value , because it's just going to allow you to sort of assess the landscape and again , you don't have to do anything .

We didn't talk about this either , that if you just want to pop on and see what's going on but you're not really an active job seeker , you can toggle yourself off and not be an active job seeker but still kind of have the benefits of this thing .

And I can go look at compensation and decide if you know deferring income for a couple more years is worth it . So that kind of thing . I mean again , a lot of resources and tools in there . We want to give helpful hints .

We want you to you know , when you look at a position , we're going to be bringing in via you know , apis , information about the demographics in that location , weather , cost of living . So we want to bring all that in so you can be a more thoughtful job seeker .

We're going to tee you up with questions that you should be asking recruiters or medical directors , things you likely haven't thought about , that you should ask . So whatever we can do to support the journey , that's kind of what we're here for .

Talk to me , talk to me give me good news , please .

Many of the large health systems have per diem opportunities , Not even just the large systems , but you know , we really encourage all these folks to . If you can accommodate part time or per diem , put it on there , Cause , to your point it is , it's not just a trend , it's kind of the new .

You mean on the employer side , yeah , yeah , so you encouraged them to do that Gotcha , absolutely yeah , I mean work-life balance is so important to people right now , and being able to do a couple of different things often extends people's sort of tenure in medicine anyway , and so , yeah , we're working on it at locums specifically , stay tuned , but part-time and per

diem opportunities , tbd , um , those , those definitely exist in the platform and we , yes , supporters , you know when we recorded before I I mentioned this story

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You know , look at every step that you make after you finish residency and make some type of judgment on you . Because , case in point with me , when I was finishing fellowship , I thought I was just going to go find an academic job somewhere in the Northeast and go work .

But life kind of throws its wrenches and you know my father ended up with prostate cancer . So you know I just needed mobility , I needed flexibility and I just didn't like the interviews that I was going on for the permanent job . So I decided to do locums for about a year and a half and it was really great .

I got to really understand my value , how much I really cost , right , because you start to realize how much you're being paid . You start to realize , okay , this is how much a hospital is willing to pay . And then also the flexibility .

You know my dad had so many different radiation treatments that I needed to be there for I was still able to do like full clinical FTE type of locums work , but I was always there for all of his radiation treatments .

It was great to like pay for his , his , his , you know , make payments on his , his treatments , right , he , you know middle , lower middle class , he had just retired at that point . So it was really felt great to provide that for him also . So it was a great experience .

And then when I , when me and my wife , got married , you know I just in mind I was like , look , we need to find something more stable . And we did so . We transitioned from doing locums to being full-time employees and that was great . Also , on the side , we were still doing locums on the side and you know there was a difference .

There was a difference for us , but I think at the end of three years of working full-time , I think for both of me and my wife we were just like you know what , where we need to be , at , where our minds are , at how we work together , like for us , independent contracting works for us , and even though my wife was six months pregnant at the time , we left

and we got it , we made it work and we got insurance through , you know , the Affordable Care Act , and so forth . And we made it work and for the last several years we've been doing that . Now I do have to say this , guys like there have been times where we have sprinkled in per diem work , like you mentioned earlier , christy .

You know per diem work is where you are , you're employed by the hospital , but they can't really control when and where you work . They pay for your medical malpractice , they will pay for your health insurance if you work a certain amount of hours and there are some other benefits if you work a certain amount of hours .

But you know we've sprinkled that in in between , so we've just kind of done this hybrid type of thing that works for us . Yeah , you know and you know . I like to share that on the show so that folks know that . You know , when I first started , there was some attendings who said if you do this , if you do locums , you're killing your career .

So it's just something to think about . Folks , as you're hearing this conversation we're having , I love this chat .

And I love these stories of just evolution of career . And I think you're right , especially with locums . There used to be a little bit of a stigma attached to locums , but that's changing . You're seeing super qualified and highly trained folks choosing locums because of lifestyle .

But I think that's the other thing about this is that the health systems are starting to figure out that lifestyle is really important . So if you can accommodate lifestyle , you can also sort of accomplish the same thing as you would with a locum's physician . You have to be able to .

The employers need to recognize that flexibility and quality of life is really important . Who would have thought ? But flexibility and quality of life is really important , who would have thought ? And whoever can figure that out is going to have success in hiring and keeping people around . So however you do , it works for me .

And I do think that the question , the Q&A , in the beginning is super helpful and it's really helpful , I think , if you are a resident and you're not , you don't have the verbiage or you don't have the confidence to really kind of verbalize what you really want right to a recruiter .

You'll see , and you know , try doing it the traditional way and also doing it through this , through the beginning . I think you'll see a difference . I think that's one of the strong points of this is you know you can do both and see how it goes for you , and I think you'll see a big difference . So who's the ideal candidate ? Christy .

So any physician it's also nurse practitioners and PAs can also sign up . So that's kind of the gist . But we would love everybody on this thing kind of create this really cool community and membership here and the more the better , so we can kind of change this game for you all . That's the goal .

Basically , technology and recruiting kind of meeting in the middle , and it makes a lot of sense and I agree , yeah , tinder for looking for a job . So , christy , anything any parting words you want to leave us with before we bounce ?