¶ Jay's Question: EMT Studying for MCAT
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We got a question from Jay Hi . I'm currently in my second gap year , studying for my MCAT while working a full-time job . So this is an overnight gig on the ambulance as an EMT . That's busy . I am planning to apply this upcoming cycle . It has definitely been a struggle balancing studying and working for a department with such a high call volume .
The longer hours can take a toll on my studying , but cutting back hours is not possible due to my financial responsibilities . Do you have any suggestions on how to balance working while studying ? My story
¶ From Retail Jobs to Med School Dreams
was I applied to medical school while I was in college , the first time . We can talk about specifics about how bad my strategy was , but I didn't get in and I didn't make a plan for what I was going to do when I graduated . I was just that devastated .
And the other reason too is I was on a wait list up until like June or July of finishing college and when I possibly could have gone into medical school . So I was just kind of had all my eggs in that basket and when it didn't come through I was like all right , well , I got to find a job .
And I'll tell you right now y'all like I was looking for a job everywhere Like I worked at . Compusa doesn't exist anymore , but I was selling computers and computer warranties . If you want to know what my job was like , go watch the 40-year-old virgin . Hit it , alfred .
If you don't take this Michael McDonald DVD that you've been playing for two years straight off , I'm going to kill everyone in the store and put a bullet in my brain . Get back on the floor . Seriously , that was my job . Right , like in the morning . You know you're setting up and it's the same soundtrack from the morning until the evening .
There's all this inter-departmental politics and people dating each other and who's going to sell the most extended warranties , and all this . I'll give you a free printer if you buy this warranty . It's just , it's crazy . People hanging out after . It was crazy , but I realized I was like I don't belong here .
Then I worked at Sports Authority selling sneakers and dunking on a basketball before people . You know people are coming in . It was , it was nuts . Oh yeah , no , you weren't . Listen . We lowered the basketball hoop .
Oh , OK , it was . It was nuts . Oh yeah , no , you weren't Listen . We lowered the basketball hoop .
Oh , okay , I was going to say yeah , okay , tell the truth . We lowered the basketball hoop right and we dunk in and you know . Next , you know a um , a customer comes in and you're like what man ? What man , I'm playing basketball right now , um , but then that was like that for like a good six or seven months .
And then at the same time , my sister was working I think she was working at AT&T . I forgot what she was doing with them , but she tried to get me a job with AT&T and you have to take this test . I failed this test . I remember there was time where I was trying to take a test with Sears and , like these , I failed to get a job at .
Sears , I was struggling , and this is someone with a bio degree from Lehigh University . Right , I was struggling . Let me ask you a question Do you think that you failed these tests because you actually knew that this is not the job that you wanted and you just didn't put the effort forward to do well on the test ?
No , I didn't know how to take the test Right . These are . These are tests that are like asking you questions about basically want to know if you're going to steal from the job .
So the answer was yes , you were going to steal .
But they would ask like different types of questions in different types of ways . It was like these psychological tests that I didn't understand Right Like she's a psychopath . They kind of were right , actually , I didn't belong there , right , it's true , I didn't belong there .
So I struggled , you know , I didn't know what to do and eventually I reached out to because I knew that my college , like my coach , they did something called graduate assistant work where you can go back and you can be a graduate assistant where you can help coach , whether it's track , whether it's football , whatever sport it may be .
I decided to go track and cross country and then they would pay a significant portion towards your classes that you took . So for me , I didn't Coach .
Dev . Thank goodness for Coach Dev .
Yeah , I didn't go into a what do you call it ? Coach Dev ? Shout out to Coach Dev . You know , like I didn't do a formal program but in essence I did a DIY kind of post-bac program also . So I took out a little bit of a loan to kind of live on campus or to live off campus .
My rent was like two hundred and ninety bucks a month and I had a closet . Basically it was really small and I was with most of the people who were . I lived in a house , a track house that had , you know , all of the people who I knew when I graduated , you know , weeks before or months before . So I knew all these people and I did that .
And I did it for about a year and a half and I was kind of moving in a direction of getting a master's . And then , you know , I was applying to med school .
I got way more strategic and I got in , you know , and I look back at those two years and you know , and I look back at those two years and you know , for me same thing , like I just decided that look like I got to figure out something , but I got to get a job that's going to pay me enough that I can take care of a little bit of expenses , but also
, at the same time , I got to focus myself on getting towards the goal . And that's what we're saying to you , jay , is that listen , man , like , if you really want this , you're going to have to do something completely drastic , right , and you're going to have to really make this work . I don't know if you want to add anything
¶ Strategic Time Management for Pre-Meds
else . I made a little bit of a list , um , other things I have on here is protect your time and energy , right . So I have , like you , gotta be very strategic with how you say no . I'm talking about social events , even with you , jay . Extra work shifts they ask you for that . You have to say no Commitments that don't align with your goal . You got to .
You got to limit those . Be super , super smart about that . Avoid burnout , right . Schedule at least one rest day per week Right , and you got to get sleep Right . So I get it . You got to study for this test . You got to study for getting into med school , but you also got to get it . You got to study for this test .
You got to study for getting into med school , but you also got to remember that you got to be smart about it and don't burn yourself out and things like eating right , like sometimes creating or making dinner can be a big deal that it kind of demotivates you . Yo sundays or saturdays meal prep , you know , keep your . Keep it very simple .
Follow a simple menu every week and go from there .
Yeah , I mean . The other thing that I would add is , you know , kind of like with my situation and the situation that I had with one of my students who just got into medical school shout out to Tara , she's going to PECOM but one of the things that she and I had similarly was that we had the option of living at home with our parents .
The difference with her , though , was that , at one point , she was kind of living on her own , and she didn't want to have to have that reliance on her mother right to go and live with her mother , and you know she . I asked her . I said well , is your mother supportive ? And she's like oh yeah , my mother's supportive . She tells me come home all the time .
I'm like then what you're doing ?
go home like just promise . Promise her free healthcare when you get into med school , you be all right .
I'm like go home , right , it's super , super important to take to recognize who is supportive of you . Right , and really really take that support . You don't have to do this alone . You really don't . There are people out there who are out there willing to support you , and if you keep rejecting their help , you're just going to make things harder for yourself .
You know , and I know sometimes you know you feel like , well , no , I'm a certain age , I should be able to , I should be this , I should be that . You know what no one is too old to get help .
No one is too old to get help , and that's something that you're just going to have to learn and because that is not just a lesson for now , while you're trying to get into medical school , that is going to be a lesson for the rest of your life , but certainly you are going to see this in medicine .
So real quick , real quick , before you go on . So she said Coach Deb , guys , coach Deb , that was my track and field coach for the 400 , 800 mile . He was my track and field coach for three years mile . He was my track and field coach for three years . If I did not go back and tell her coach , I'm having an issue with getting my goal of being a doc .
I think that you know this graduate assistant job . Is it possible that I can ? I could fit into that , right , if I didn't mention that to her , yeah , I would have still been working at these different jobs and , to be honest with you , my goal of becoming a doctor would have been prolonged , right ? So , yes , I have to shout her out .
You're right , renee , like we got to shout her out . I got to shout her out because if I didn't ask for help in that situation , I would have just been like standing on my pride and I would have been still trying to figure all this stuff out . So , I'm sorry , go ahead , you're right . You're right .
No , yeah , I mean , it's
¶ Accepting Help Along the Journey
things like that right , sharing , sharing your story , sharing your plight with people who you know care about you . You know and would be willing to help you , but you have to be able to ask for that help . You've got to ask for that help . So I would say you know to Jay . Look around you , say Jay .
So I would say you know to Jay , look around you , say Jay .
What Say Jay ? I know you want to get a med school , no , no no , no . That's another bar . That's another bar . That is not a bar .
Say , jay , you want to get a med school . Ain't nobody taking you to court for that one ?
I didn't say say Drake .
Yeah , I said nobody taking you to court for that one . Nobody taking you to court for that one , nobody . But anyway , yeah , look around you see who around you would be willing to help . You've got to be able to figure out how you're going to do this so that you can get to your ultimate goal of getting to medical school .
And , like Nita said , you're going to have to do something drastically different . If you want drastically different results , jay , check this out . That's just what it is .
Check this out , Jay , you got to stay accountable . Here's another thing Got to stay accountable , Renee , you got to talk to them about this . So I got in here .
Three things Join a study group , Jay , you know you got to figure it out Something that you can someplace , somehow , somebody , something that's going to be able to make sure that you can check in and do something to keep you motivated , Right .
Then I don't know if you need to use a coach Renee's on my left-hand side , I think or mentor , Right , so that you can continue to discuss your goal of moving forward . So one thing I didn't let you know also is my , your goal of moving forward . So one thing I didn't let you know also is my . My nephew was an Alpha Phi .
Uh , was it Alpha Phi , Alpha ? He's a , he's an Alpha um , and very , very successful people in that . So when he finished from college , he kept in touch with a lot of folks who you know were very successful in that fraternity , a lot of them being lawyers and judges . So he was letting them know about his progress and they were keeping him accountable .
A lot of them would give them , would allow him to have some jobs where he could , you know , do some work and make some some money doing that type of stuff in the law field .
So basically , what I'm saying is you know , see if you can find someone who can keep you accountable or something that can keep you accountable , and then you need to be able to track your progress .
Renee , I don't know if you want to talk about that , but he needs that , Like he can't just say I'm just going to take , you know , one job , slow down and really focus , but how do you make sure , how does he make sure , that he's progressing towards the goal right , the deadline , you know ?
So my advice to you , any pre-med out there , if you're out there and you're like I need to get to medical school and I'm so far from getting there , but I need to get there , write it down , and I don't mean get on your computer what I'm talking about . Use your hand . Remember . Do people still use paper and pen ?
Not many people use paper anymore . Everybody writes it down , they use Notion , they use Google Docs , they use the notes on it .
There's something about seeing your plan written in your handwriting , something about writing out that plan . You know , having your brain literally make the motions right , Help your , help , your hand to make the motions , that solidifies that plan in your brain , you know . That will help you to essentially manifest it .
That is extremely important , you know , and I think we've kind of lost the art of that , but that's what I would suggest Get yourself a notebook of something .
Yeah , cause if you don't write it down , it's just a , it's just a dream .
Is that what they say ? Yeah , like you're , you're , you're never going to manifest it and it's going to be floating around , you know ,
¶ Writing Down Goals and Creating Study Plans
in cyberspace somewhere . Right , write it down , go back , write out what's going on , journal it , you know , figure out what you need to do , but I would strongly recommend that you write down your plan . I wrote down my plan . I would go back to it . I had a notebook that I would use . I would check things off , I would write how I felt about things .
I manifested it and it happened . So that's what I would . That's what I would recommend to Jay and all the other pre-meds out there who are listening .
Big thing , too , I have is creating a realistic study schedule . You talk to your pre-meds out there who are listening . Big thing , too , I have is creating a realistic study schedule . You talk to your pre-meds about that right , oh , my God , yes . Quality . I got quality over quantity . You know . Focus distraction-free two-hour study blocks .
Use a calendar , set weekly goals .
Yes .
That might be better than daily tasks .
Yeah , I think setting weekly goals will help kind of allow that flexibility but also keep you on task .
But the realistic study schedule let's talk about that really quickly , because if you don't have a realistic study schedule then you're essentially engaging in an exercise in futility , Right , yeah , I've had people jam-pack their schedule with work and then say I'm going to study here and it's like okay , that's great . When are you going to sleep ?
When are you going to eat ?
Just because there are hours Right . That's what Snickers are for .
Right , Just because there are hours that are free on the calendar doesn't mean that you are going to have the energy to study . You have to limit your availability to essentially this goal . You cannot go off and be like , oh well , you know , we need somebody to work overtime . I do it .
Let me ask you a question Can you work overtime , Let me ask you a question Real quick .
This is a little curveball , because sometimes I think we got to throw in some examples those really work . So I was really intentional .
So , guys , I had the opportunity to go to medical school at the osteopathic medical school in New Jersey and I lived in New Jersey versus go to medical school at the osteopathic school in Kansas City , kansas City University right now .
¶ Making Hard Choices for Medical School
At the osteopathic school in Kansas City , kansas City University right now , and I was really . They even offered me a scholarship to stay home in New Jersey and I deliberately said that I was going to go out to Kansas City .
The one main reason was I didn't trust myself being close to home and studying for something that I always wanted to do for my entire life . Seriously , that's what it boiled down to Shout out to your sister . Oh , my sister also . The school in Kansas city accepted me first , Right ?
So she was like listen if they want you , and they were able to let you know so quickly like I think within 48 hours , they let me know that I was accepted , Whereas the school in New Jersey , I think they had me on wait list , right , I don't remember if they had you on waitlist , but it took a while .
They had me on waitlist or it took a while , but eventually they said you're in and here's a scholarship and it's you know now it wasn't like don't get , don't get Dr Nee wrong .
It wasn't like a full scholarship , it was like five , five G's .
Yeah , it was . It wasn't a full , but it was something to sweeten the pot .
Yeah Right , it was something to sweeten the pot and I and , by the way , they had given you that scholarship after you turned them down .
Was that true ?
Yes , because by then you and I knew each other . We were talking on the phone and Renee also , and just low key , low key .
Also , renee got happened , renee , renee also got that scholarship also after I turned . But , but I told , I ended up saying I'm gonna go to Kansas City . I wanted to go to Kansas City because I really wanted to focus on becoming a doctor , like I . I , there was no way that , obviously , this 21 hour drive away , you know , I didn't .
I just knew that if I was in New Jersey and my friends wanted to go out , they want to go to Atlantic City , where I , where I would live , where I would be in med school , they going to stay at my place and then go , you know . So how are you going to come party with me while I'm trying to study and then I'm not going to go with them .
I'm going to go with them , right , or ? Um , just all these different things . So I deliberately or family stuff and I deliberately said no , let me do Kansas city for four years . And it was great , you know . So , um , there's some small little sacrifices that I had to make , but it was worth it . My family really helped me during that time .
Me and Renee became really close . She became my family , so to speak , you know , and it was a great decision . So , yeah , there are times where you just have to really take . You know you have to limit how people can get to you in order for you to really study . I'm not saying become a monk , but you may have to , right .
Yeah , no , that's a really good point .
What about a long-term timelines , right ? So , for example , like if you're working , instead of doing like a three-month timeline for the MCAT , should you consider like a five to six-month timeline for your MCAT ? Yeah , absolutely .
I mean realize that you know you're going to have to make adjustments , right , Just the way you're going to have to make adjustments , you know , to be able to do your post-bac work or you know anything else that you're doing to get to the point of applying to medical school successfully .
Yeah , I mean , your MCAT study plan is probably not going to look the same . My MCAT study plan was a very long and ongoing study plan very long and ongoing .
I remember being at Hunter College and I'd have like , let's say , if I had a class in the late morning but then my next class wasn't until , you know , four hours later , right In the late afternoon , I would use that time , right , I would use that time very wisely .
I'd go down to the library , put my head down , you know , and just focus , figure out what I needed to learn , do some content . Then I started doing , you know , practice questions .
I would do practice questions all the time , Right , and that's one of the things that I recommend to all my pre-meds , right , Don't wait until you finish doing all of your content to start doing practice questions , Do your content .
So I'd probably do like maybe an hour or so of content and then , you know , maybe I'd go get something to eat really quickly , Then I'd come back do my practice questions , you know , and I became so efficient actually at doing that that there , there was at one point in time that I joined MAPS , right , Minority Association of Pre-Med Students .
Right , the SNMA portion , that's the pre-med portion of the SNMA and I became so efficient at being able to study and just figuring out my schedule that I was actually able to join MAPS , start to do activities , you know , even became the MAPS chapter president at one point , and so it didn't disrupt my studies , Right .
So you know , once you get into the groove and you start realizing what your priority is , it becomes easier and easier , Right , the learning curve of how to do that becomes very you know , is very steep at first , but after a while you're just kind of cruising and you know you
¶ MCAT Study Approach and Final Advice
can do it . Jay , you can do it . You're just going to have to make them some tough decisions .
Hey guys . So remember , in the beginning of the show we're talking about famous CUNY graduates . We got Ed Koch . How am I doing ? Ed Koch graduated from CUNY .
Jonas Salk . So for people who don't know , Ed Koch used to be NYC mayor .
Yes , then you have Jonas Salk , really the polio vaccine .
Polio yeah , Look at that .
Upton Sinclair , right , famous muckraker , right . He wrote a book , a major book , the one that I always think about , but I was forgetting , but he passed away recently . Um , we have colin powell , um , we tony curtis , henry kissinger , stanley kubrick , you know . So , uh , cuny , uh , it has , it puts out some really famous , notable people out there .
So , but listen , jay , this is a great question . Thank you for writing in anybody else who wants to write in . Um , you know how to right , renee , you want to tell text us or you can go to our website docs outside the boxcom and leave us a question . All right , y'all , we'll catch you guys in the next one . Peace .
Good luck Jay .
Good luck Jay .