Bonus Episode: Rock 'n' Roll Second Acts

talking about Chris Cornell. We are previewing the coming episode on Winona Ryder, talking artists with follow up bands that were more impactful than their breakthroughs. And we get into your voicemails, text DMS, emails and as always a whole lot of rosie. All right, Discos, let's get in to it all right, Chris Cornell. This week's full episode subject broke through obviously in Soundgarden, and then went to find

success in Audio Sleeve. The question of the week this week was what artists had more impact in their follow up band than they did in their breakthrough band. Obviously, Chris Cornell's career inspired this question. Now for the record, I'm leaving off people like Dave Navarro who went from Jane's Addiction to the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It's a bit of a nuanced reason, but it's because Chili Peppers weren't really Navarro's band. He joined pretty much as a sideman.

Wasn't even a full member of my opinion, so he doesn't qualify. Neither is someone like Ronnie James Dio, who left Black Sabbath to have a successful solo career. We're talking groups here, okay. Making it in two groups two bands is a much harder achievement in my estimation. Those artists who break through with one band and then repeat their success where then they surpassed their previous success in

another group. That's huge. That is not easy. So I was surprised to learn that Soundgarden has sold significantly more albums than Audio Slaves thirty million for Soundgarden to just eight million for Audio Slave. The Boys and Guns N' Roses. They did not fare better with Velvet Revolver. GNR is a significantly bigger band than Velvet Revolver, as was Stone Temple Pilots. Here's one though, bit of left field. Not really, I wouldn't have thought of this. I looked it up

this morning. Bell Biv Deevo much bigger group for Ronnie, Ricky and Michael the new Edition. Okay, what about Blur and Gorillas? This, this one is shocking to me. Okay, Gorillas have sold far more albums than Blur, something like forty million to six million Gorillas. That is incredible. It's amazing. He'll always be damon from Blur. To me, though, Kim Deal's Breeders album Last Splash has supposedly sold more than

all of the Pixies albums combined. I don't know. I read that, and I think the Internet might be fucking with me on this one. This does not sound like it's right, But yeah, Cannonball Man Crazy, here's a super relevant one because we were talking about this couple weeks ago, two after parties ago. I believe we were talking about

Joy Division and New Order. By the way, I know, I'm supposed to have an update on Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, but I'm recording this after party way earlier than I normally do because we need to get produced in advance because of some vacation stuff that's going on. School vacation, that sort of thing. So I don't have the nominee Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

inductee's gives me inductee update for you just yet. But when we were talking about this a couple episodes ago, a couple bonus episodes ago, we were talking about Joy Division and New Order as potential. They're nominated, they might be inducted. I don't think they're going to get in. I don't understand why they're being inducted as two groups.

That doesn't make any fucking sense. But you know, after of course, Ian Curtis died, Peter Hook, Stephen Morris, and Bernard Summer went on to form New Order and sold way more, way more records than Joy Division. But I'm guessing not as many T shirts. Should sales be the final deciding element here, I don't know. I think so because sales usually correlate with radio play, video play, and cultural impact, except maybe in the case the Breeders versus

the Pixies. To me, the Pixies aren't way more culturally impactful. They've been doing this for so long, and I feel like they've they've just they've touched more people. It's anecdotal but that's how I feel. I'm curious what you guys think on the on the Pixies Breeders question. I think we have to mention Dave misstaying here, who after getting booted from Metallica, went on to form Megadeth. They never did what Metallica did, and Dave is still crying about it.

But they are one of the top four thrash bands of all time, along with Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax, part of the so called Big four? Who else? Who else? Eric Clapton from Yardbirds to Cream to Derek and the Dominoes. Does he get it for doing it three times? I guess you can make the case, but Yardbirds weren't really his band, were they? I don't know. Is this the right answer? Derek and the Dominoes one album and not a very good one. This feels like a cheap win,

if it's a win at all. Paul McCartney jumping from Beatles to Wings is worthy of our consideration, despite the fact that Wings were obviously not as big as the Beatles. The big one here is, of course, Foo Fighters. Dave Grohl going on to just, you know, have this incredible career with Food Fighters after being the drummer in Nirvana, And I think you got to give a special tip of the hat to Dave Grohl for going from playing drums to fronting the band. But but I was a

little surprised by this one too. Foo Fighters have sold half as many albums as Nirvana. I get that Nirvana is truly iconic, but I would think the amount of time Food Fighters have been around, I thought there was a chance they actually sold more records. But no, it's like seventy to seventy five million for Nirvana and something like thirty two thirty five million for food Fighters. So there you go. About what about Steve Malcolmus going from

Pavement to the Heavy Quartet? Though I'm just kidding. I just wanted to mention the Heavy Quartet, Okay, I think I think those are our contenders. I don't think I'm really forgetting anyone of significance, but you guys are gonna let me know when I get to the phone calls. What's what is the answer? Okay? Which second act was more impactful than the first? Surprisingly, I'm very surprised by this, But I think the answer is Damon Alburn and Gorillas.

I think Gorilla's over Blur. Those record sales numbers are no joke, and they dwarf Blur's success. I knew Blur never sold a ton of records beyond the UK, but I would never have guessed that Gorillas were bigger. I should have known. I should have known. So that's my answer, Damon Alburn, that's right. I don't know. Maybe you can make the case for Bell Bivdavo as well, but my gut tells me more people think about Blur than they do New Edition. So that's why I give it to

Gorillas over Bell Bivdavo. But maybe this is my side of the street. Then again, I grew up I legally buying beer in Boston's combat zone, so I know a little thing or two about New Edition. But I want to know what you guys think. We're gonna get to your answers on this question shortly, but first I have to tell you about this week's rewind Archive episode coming your way right after this bonus episode. It's on Matt give us a little drum roll, Go ahead, all right,

It's on Iggy Pop. David Bowie fans, you're not gonna want to miss this one either. Bowie's a big part of Iggy story. Bowe's a big part of this episode. Lots of other cool people show up in this episode too, Miles Davis, Dennis Hopper, bunch of our subjects. So if you haven't heard our Iggy Pop episode, you're gonna love it, and if you have, your in for a treat when

you re listen to it. Coming up after that on Tuesday, we've got our episode on Winona Rider, and Winona is the course pretty rock and roll, which is why we thought to feature her in Disgraceland. Weina, however, is the last of our icon series artists, and we'll eventually find her way into the Hollywood Land archive as Disgraceland becomes once again solely music content. But for now you've got missus Johnny Depp, not really, but sort of coming your

way next week, Winona Rider. Okay, this all brings us to next week's question of the week. When you're listening to the Winona Rider episode, be thinking about all those iconic eighties and nineties females arlt's and let me know if Winona is gen X's most iconic female actor. If not Winona, then who Drew Barrymore Cameron Diaz. Who is it? Let me know? Six one, seven nine oh six sixty six three eight. Heather Graham, Leave me a voicemail, Send me a text. Not you, Heather Graham, You guys, semi

a voicemail? Leave me a text. Let me know if Heather Graham is more iconic than Winona Rider or Drew Barrymore. Who is it? Disgrace sampod on the socials? All right, I'm gonna take a quick break. I'll be hanging on the telephone on the other side with your voicemails, texts and dms. Alright, six one, seven nine oh six six six three eight. You know where I'm at him in the phone booths. It's the one across the hall. I'm hanging on the telephone. Who you want to send me

a voicemail? You want to send me a text? That's how you do it. Let's check out this one from who were looking at here? The seven six five?

Neil Young, dude, Buffalo Springfield. I mean, you know they were good, they had a hit, right, But man, Neil Young went on to become Neil Young, I mean totally influential, great music, decades long career, still going, Neil Young all the way, man.

obvious because the group piece of this is so key. However, Crosby, Stills, Nash and whoever the fuck aka Neil Young, as I once said, Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, you could make the argument that you're trying to make here for Neil relevant to Buffalo Springfield's check out to two seven oh.

sold as many albums as Gorillas. Crazy Crazy, I guess gorillas are just huge internationally and I just have an American point of view on this. I don't know. Fascinating question though, Thanks Todd not Tim all right six seven nine oh six six six three eight. You can send me a voicemail like Todd not Tim, like like metal Head Monday, or you can send me a text like the nine oh nine who writes, Hey Jake, Luke here with a quick note pursuing it to your Billie Idol

after party. I'm had a club to see a punk show. The after show playlist includes one hundred punks by Generation X nearly fifty years on, and it still kills this bumper music after a punk show? Nine o nine thank you for the text. Who'd you go see? I want to know? Let me know anyone who wonders what nine or nine is texting about, it's because we just had this Billie Idol episode in our feed of Disgraceland. You

can check that out. One writes in Hey Jake, I was listening to your thoughts on Marilyn Manson's autobiography and I wanted to mention when will you get around to doing a nine inch Nails episode. There's lots of debauchery to be had anyway, I will keep listening, thank you, and I want to well, yeah, I had the same thought because Trent obviously is a big part of Marilyn Manson's story. There's a lot of Trent debauchery in the Marilyn Manson book. I do think a nine Inch Nails episode.

I don't know. I don't know how soon on the heels of Marilyn Manson, but soon ish, because I'm very interested. For no other reason. Nine three seven, Jimmy Page has to be the answer to the artist who had more successful later group. What oh, I guess you're saying, yeah, led Zeppelin compared to the Yardbirds. But the Yardbirds weren't really Jimmy Page's group. I mean, he was in the group,

but you know what I'm saying. Nine three seven goes on to say, speaking of led Zeppelin, I remember running the streets of Boston with my walkman and I went to switch out my Van Halen Fair Warning cassette with the led Zeppelin cassette I had in the front of my Champion hoodie and it was gone. I was devastated. I only find peace with the hope that a young kid perhaps found it and grew a love for music, maybe even started playing music, and perhaps with any luck,

started a podcast about musicians behaving badly. But what's the chance of that? Rock a rolla Bill from the nine three seven. Bill's referring, of course, to the story I've told before about how I got into led Zeppelin, which was I was walking in my backyard one morning in the fourth grade and I literally found led Zeppelin one

in cassette in the dewey grass. It was in its case, so it was fine, and I brought it inside my house and I put it in my stereo, and good Times, Bad Times came on, and my life was forever changed in that moment. Had never heard led Zeppelin before. And I don't know, Bill, let's just let's say yeah, let's say, Bill, we finally connected after all these years. But Boston to

where I grew up was about thirty five miles. Unless it was on the wings of a geez, I don't know, some led Zeppelin like medieval bird flying down across the mass Turnpike out into the verbs. I doubt very much that it's the same cassette, but I'm gonna believe it,

just for the just for the poetic license. Thank you Bill six one seven nine oh six six six three eight semi a voicemail or text disgracelam pod on the socials, Ashley Neil writes in on Facebook, Jake, I've been listening to Graceland since twenty twenty ish slogging at my shit job. You have helped keep me sane. Love the content sincerely. Meant to call in and give my take on the question about the fave grunge band for the recent Alison

Chains Lane's Day episode, but didn't get around to it. Honestly, Alison Chains is my favorite band. I was born in nineteen eighty three and I kind of missed out on them initially, but they've been a mainstay in my playlist for my entire teen and adult life. Lane's raw, honestin is lyrics paired with Jerry's guitar and harmonizing vocals just speaks to my soul. That being said, I was kind of no one gave Stone Temple Pilots a nod, even

though they didn't originate in Seattle. I feel like Core and Scott Wiland in general really wove into that genre beautifully and were excellent. What can I say, apparently my favorite rock stars were all heroin addicts. Last thing, I've been racking my brain trying to remember a band name you mentioned as being rock and roll at a time where a lot of us consider rock and roll to be dead. Outside of the smaller scope, I feel like it had a C in the name. It's low Cut,

Connie low Cut Connie Ashley, Okay. Another great band I've been listening to lately, new band Geese. I'm sure you guys have heard of it before. Not Goose, not the Goose Geese, Geese, Okay, Stone Tip of Pilots not being mentioned in the top ten greatest grunge bands. People have written in to voice the same concern that Ashley has here. I left them off my list because I like Stone Tip of Pilots, but they were just so contrived when they came out.

They seemed like a elaborate version of what grunge should be, and I think a lot of people feel that way. I think a lot of people feel that way. Also, not that I think not being from Seattle, so I'm trying to say, has something to do with it. As you mentioned, Ashley, Stone Tip of Pilots remind me of

like our generation's version of Creten's Clearwater Revival. Just like a great band, but completely inauthentic, you know, like ccier is thinking about growing up in the swamps of Louisiana or whatever, and they're from fucking San Francisco or wherever they're from, northern California. Just there weren't from the Bayou, That's all I'm saying. And Stone type of pilots just didn't seem like they were grunge beside the flannel. And

I guess the sound. I mean, I get it, I get it, but I just I disassociate them with that scene for some reason. And I suspect that others do as well. Not to take anything away from Stone type of pilots. I've grown to appreciate them. I did not back in the day. I guess I kind of did a grudge, but not on purpose. All right, guys, you want to connect on social at disgracelam pod, on Facebook, on Instagram, on X hit me up. All right, we started doing this new thing in the after party last week.

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see it. The answer dig get a lot of texts, dig get a lot of voicemails with the answer to the Easter egg question, which was in the Sharon Tate Part two episode of Hollywood Land. Who did Sharon Tate ask for advice concerning her marital problems with Roman Polanski? Who did Sharon seek out for advice? That was the question and the answer comes from this week's winner, Ryan in the two to eight to one.

We'll get this going next week. Okay, you guys can win next week. Okay, you can win. You can win next time around. You know the spin at the wheel here, okay, And the question is going to be in the Robin Williams episode of this coming episode of hollywood Land. Okay, we're coming up with a Robin Williams episode of hollywood Land. In the most recent Robin Williams episode of hollywood Land, the one that is at the top of your hollywood Land feed right now, the question is no, I like

this one. I like this one because it's it's kind of unintentionally in the form of a joke. Okay, here's the question in the Hollywoodland episode on Robin Williams. What did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he turned twenty one? Head over to Hollywoodland, dive into that Robin Williams episode, find the answer and hit me at six one seven nine oh six six six three eight, Leave me a voicemail, send me a text with your answer. I guess We're still going to do this on social media.

Be the first to post on Instagram. We pose this question, we'll see what happens, and again. The easter egg answer is in the Robin Williams episode of Hollywood Land. The question is what did Robin Williams get from the prostitute when he turned twenty one? All right, now, for something totally different, my quick sports rant here in under thirty seconds, which is probably just gonna be a little longer than

thirty seconds. I showed my seven year old and my eleven year old Major League with Charlie Sheen, basically because they can't get enough baseball right now. And newsflash, this movie, this movie isn't as wildly offensive as Bad News Bears, which I love, by the way, but probably shouldn't have shown to my kid when he was five. But a League is a hard R. If you're wondering in eighties R. Eighties ours are much harder than nineties or today's ours. By the way, hard R would be a great name

for a band. Tough to pronounce, So right, hard R. What's the name of your band? Hard R? What? Now? It's not a good name? If you have to if when you give the name of your band, the next response is a question, it's not a good band name. It's not a good name for anything actually that happens. So anyways, we made it through with Jake Taylor and the Wild Thing. My wife almost killed me before it was over. But it's basically one sex scene, some naked dude's asses in the in the locker room, and a

torrent of f bombs. You can navigate through it with the remote, is what I'm saying. Okay, put your phone down. You don't have to call Social Services on me. I'm just saying, if you've got a baseball itch this spring and there isn't a game on or your team sucks, you can revisit Major League with your kids, even if they're seven years old and your wife is you know, semi cool and you don't mind scarring your kids for life. All right, I'll be back in the flash to your

emails in the Hollywood Land Minute. All right, we are back, and you know what time it is. It's time for the hollywoodland Minute, brought to you by the Hollywood Lamb Podcast. Don't know what the Hollywood Lamp podcast is? Well, the Hollywood Lamb Podcast is hosted by Yours Truly, where every week I tell you a story from the annex of Hollywood and True crime, and right now there are over

forty episodes waiting for you to binge. Episodes on Charlie she And, Robin Williams, David Lynch, John Waters, Danny Treo, Meril Monroe, Steve McQueen, Drew Barrymore, Jane Fonda, and more recently, the very talented and one of the dudes we miss the most, Robin Williams. Here's a clip, Robin. I've been trying to take it easy on the drugs after Belusi's death. The sudden realization that he was going to have a son made him finally get serious about sobriety, and he

quit boozing coke straight away. No twelve steps or therapy, feel good programs, just cold turkey. A few weeks later, his next movie, Outing the World According to Garb, hit theaters, and the John Irving Book became an almost instant hit at the box office. Things were finally looking up in more ways than one. Later in life, in a letter to his son Zach, Robin would write that his birth gave him a new sense of meaning and focus into his life. It also gave him plenty of new material.

My God, it's a boy and he's hung like a bear. Wait, no, that's the umbilical cord. Of course, there were some habits Robin still couldn't break. One was his addiction to the rush of stand up comedy and the high that he got from the crowd. He find any excuse to leave Valerie behind with the baby Nappa and had to la to indulge in another one of those infamous all night comedy marathons. He even learned to enjoy them without the help of mind altering substances, which brings us to the

other habit that Robin Williams couldn't break. Women, Robin had always messed around in the past. Valerie would either give him her blessing or at least forgive him. She knew her husband was a star. She couldn't help the fact that women threw themselves at him. Besides, he was out on the road a lot all by himself. But after Zach was born, it got harder for her to go along with it. She resented the fact that she was stuck at home with a baby while her husband was

off gallimanding with some hot young thing. And Robin wasn't dumb. He knew it was getting to her. He tried to keep it in his pants for a while, but then another opportunity would present itself, and as Valerie once said, you'd have to be a saint to resist, and Robin was certainly no saint. God gave him a penis in her brain and only enough blood to use one at a time. Our guests, make sure you are subscribed to Hollywood Land on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get

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old fashioned email. Disgracelampod at gmail dot com. Okay, Jacques Kobel writes in The Cramps Slash rock and Roll is dead, sir, while listening to your podcast, I have been digesting your thoughts on music and art for the past week. I have let it randomly play on Spotify throughout my workday. I see validity at most every point you make save one,

rock is dead. My first thought was Blue October and the song hate Me lyrics that make Hollandwolf, Bruce Springsteen, and Robert Zimmermann blush at the shallowness of their own lyrics. The music is canned, the vocals are auto tuned, but the poetry is dangerous. Thank you. Well, I don't know about Blue October, but now I'm interested. Colin Old, Bobby de and Bruce Springsteen and Hollandwolf them some fighting words. Are you sure you want me to get into this?

Appreciate you, Jack. You obviously thought about this question for some time. Michael Murphy writes in Yo, Jake, I'm just wondering what happens once you've exhausted the Hollywood Land and Sportsland, sides of the Badlands archive and all access icons material. What do you do for those rare celebrities you have touched on all three areas sports, film, and music. I know you did the Rock, but I'm thinking Hell Hogan, Dennis Rodman, Shack Nald maybe others. Let me know what

you think. Rock a Roller Arnold Schwarzenegger, Well, come on, I mean, he could be Hollywood Land and Shaq and Dennis Rodman, Hulk Hogan, they're all athletes, so obviously Sportsland man. Come on, I think what you're getting at here, Michael, is we need to make some new episodes. Is that what you're saying, Michael? Are you daring me to make even more content? Michael more? Sportsland content? Is this? Are you throwing down the gauntlet? Is that what's happening here,

Michael More? Perhaps even more Hollywood Land content, maybe these feeds. Maybe what happens is once once the Badlands archive is exhausted, as you say, once once these these all these archive episodes have been once again re released in the Hollywood Land feed. Maybe there's a Sportsland feed. Maybe there are new episodes in our future to keep these franchises humming, just as we're doing this Disgraceland. Maybe that's what's happening, Michael.

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talk about some archive episodes. Some artists that were mentioned in this bonus episode that we have full episodes on back in the archive that you guys can listen to, Stone Temple, Pilots, Guns n' Roses, a lot, okay, Jane's addiction, Black Sabbath. Still no Red Hot Chili Peppers episode, though I should probably get on that new order. We mentioned Oasis, There's a lot here, Metallica, Derek and the Dominoes, Clapton,

there's a lot. Matt is going to piece together some links for you in the show notes so you can easily access these archive episodes. Guys, don't sleep on the archive. New listeners. Listen two hundred and thirty plus episodes on all kinds of musicians and transgressions and true crimes that they've committed or have happened to them in our archive. E ton, just give it a cruise, Go to Spotify, Apple, go to our website where and just kind of like

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that is a disgrace all right. In honor of this week's subject, Chris Cornell, this is me reading you the billboard charts from the day Chris passed away on May eighteenth two Thy seventeen number one, Shape of You had Cheering last week one peak position one weeks on Chart eight Number two. Bad and Bougie Migos featuring Little Uzzi vert last week two, peak position one weeks on Chart sixty number three. I don't want to live forever, saying.