Hello how very good afternoon, I am Karan Ramírez and we are in one more broadcast dir Radio design him in your ears and I am very happy because we are still here in the new season, in capo labor, that we are in the street of San Luis, potosi hundred and thirteen, here in the colony Rome. Come and take a turn,' cause it' s a high- design showrm. So here you are going to find incredible furniture, give yourself, a little twist, either for your own things, your
own house or for your projects, because it is amazing. So come for a ride. And because I' m really excited and I' ve already felt old age here, they look at the Asian, because Ahorita is visiting us a very new office in Toluca, but very new, that is, they have like two months, that is, registered in faith in the Government of Mexico. I believe this and the truth is, yes. He' s very young and I didn' t want the truth guys this, but this is doing amazing things back in Toluca and I' m very happy.
They are three architectural points and is with me here, Angel and Susana how they are. All right, you' re a lot of runners to get no. Thank you so much for visiting Mexico. I' m not going to heat him up. I don' t know how they' re in everything that' s in my good, a little bit lighter I feel here there' s that it' s cooler. You know me. I'
m going to Dor Mira. We are going to stand it listen how good that they visit us and I am very happy to know that because young people are venting to the wheel of this, of the architecture, Sometimes easy, other times not so much. But I' ll give them that. All the fortunes of the world are very new and have a lot to learn and many things they lack to live. But it' s good that they' re teaming up It gives me a lot of, like, trans and I
wanted to start this big interview asking who Angel is. I think Angel is like a I don' t know well, it' s very quiet in itself, I mean, it can be the storm on one side and I ' m very quiet, I mean you' ve blue seen everything, I mean we can already be falling everything and I say Right now it' s going to be quiet, but I think it' s a big part that
can define me, I mean, very quiet. This one I don' t know the same I like, obviously, well, to get out of all that, because it' s not always to be in the office or in the computer designing, that is to say to go out knowing by want or not. Every time you go out, they give you more ideas than you can do, which is a constant innovation. Practically all this ok, then I also like to go out having fun, i e know more than anything. Well, all right, angel are your healthy ones. Quite the
opposite. Look, we' re like balance. Jing Jangle is very quiet. I' m super emotional, ay or I don' t know, for example, it has to be all well controlled, well yes as I plan. If I' m not an emotional sea, you just don' t want to go. Thanks to g we have had bad experiences with virguity to but yes, but man, that is the truth, yes, no
yes, yes. I' m very emotional, but still. A very important part of why I like to share with Angel and why we became partners is because we make a great team, not only at work, but also in life in general. I mean, I realized it' s like my balance, I mean, if I' m very stressed, very sad, very happy, so is he always, and as well as quiet, I mean, everything' s going to be okay, we' re going to do this and it' s going to be great. What a father Gerie
hears, why you spat architecture. You said I' m going this way. It was more like a matter of school, because, well, high school. I had a matter that was tectonic design, as such they give you a little bit of a look at the drawing that you have to be flat all that because I don' t start that you' re a doctor.
Then it was a completely radical change. So in those three years and I don' t remember that the course that matter was like not telling me it' s not not being in a hospital, but being a little bit more pentible in a matter of work, in a matter of design, which
is what I like most, a little more. So it was like that this change practically the high school was the one that told me you are not going to saw to medicine, but a detection looks at nothing more oceanic, because architecture I equal to the beginning, that is to say from little that they are asking you what you want to be big here you want to dedicate and so it said Medicine, Medicine, Medicine and I don' t know that there are times in life that you cling to something much, but today
the so is the life itself, like that your destiny is telling you there. It' s not there, no, but you' re not a fool and you hang on. I know, but still in high school I was in technical high school. Then there I took a career in industrial technical drawing. Okay, so, from there my teachers told me how you don ' t have to study architecture, I mean, you have to study architecture. And I don' t know that I nesia, no, no, no medicine, until later, because I did my test, in fact,
for medical school, and I didn' t stay anymore. From there I started to see my options and I said to see Susana focus on what you really like, no, which is what you' re passionate about, why you wanted to study medicine. First of all. Then I began to think about many things and saw that, since my talent, as such, had always been more focused, the design, architecture, everything I had to see. Same. I' m a very artist I' ve always said, I mean, like I really like to occupy my hands, draw, make
models. It' s something I' m very passionate about. So, that' s why and the career in my general, that is, I feel that, yes, I did very well in general, as well, without all the subjects. So, then, that' s why I feel like I' m focusing a little bit more, because that' s what father and when you said, because we make a good team, let' s do something, because I think it all started when we decided in an office previously working and I was already there and it came a little after I
in. So, it' s like, at first, we didn' t work out because I already had military stuff on mine. Not then as we sincerely greeted each other and already, in a nutshell, he liked you badly is that he earned a lot and a gallo yesterday hello, hello entrepreneur, yes, the truth, but already flower r is changing. Yeah,
I mean, we had a friend in common. Rather he was our boss, the architect Carlos Zarzate, who is surely listening to us we were already greetings, yes, and that he was like good, he has been like our mentor and all that always supported us and he told us that then go ahead, that is, in everything they need we support them. But before that, we had him as in common. No, he was a close friend of Angel' s and he was also a close friend of mine,
and then, one day he left where we were. So we got him and me and we started to become very friends, I mean, we were already starting to talk and we started to realize that we were already going on as projects together and we started to realize that we worked super well together.
I mean, yes, at the time of designing like we had the same ideas, like everything tertile, he could be thinking about something and I would say it or the other way around I don' t know, I mean, it' s like we read people as connected, aha then it' s something that, yes, we realized that we connected well, ok and then several problems happened, as in the gossip part that we were talking to me and it' s very attentive, no, because yes, really,
because the idea of three points was born as of then problems that we started to have there where we were, that really, Angel and I, because we took the boat alone and then we said why we didn' t get involved, because to do it, you and I could not or it was something that really ours, and then, Angel told me that yes, it seemed right, and here we' re crazy what good and why three points architecture, but what it' s called yes, it' s a complicated thing, it' s kind of weird, but it' s that I
' m celebrating three of April. Let' s say that what sounds to us both the three, so to speak the same as we try to give it as a well, as something a concept, for example, the three because it is the sides that have a triangle aha. So, for me the triangle is like my favorite geometric figure. As for me the triangle is balance, that is, in the position where you put it it will always
be in balance. So, the same is that and three points is like there' s no end point, it' s three points because something else is always coming. Mm- hmm Okay, and they' re celebrating May three. Yes, I think that three more beds, the three father how good that, that is, they saw as each one' s abilities and put in balances and then we' re going to do what we do is very drilling. Then they formally have two months, three fomente yes, because
we made an opening. Oh, it wasn' t for the anniversary and you' re gonna be there already Good state of honor to the mother, the mother of theño centers. Yes, please, yes not if we, that is, when we get out of here from where I tell you, we spend some time planning the first thing right, that is, seeing what we were going to do as a first step that this, how we were going to start where we were going to work, that is, seeing everything that mistakes, that we didn' t want to repeat, that we
had seen where we were. We really know that we' re obviously going to be wrong. That happens, it happens to the most experienced architects we know well, but because it is also about not making the mistakes that you
already saw, that do not carry the sound. Not then, like we sat down to talk about all that, about what we were going to do, how we were going to do it, and when we had like everything structured, we started planning an opening together with our accomplice in all this, our manager told them that she has been my sister in all this process, that she has also supported us, and she started to help us organize the
opening that, because we all went super well the same. And from there, we count already in the time we have, it' s already two months. All right. What a father, because everything has been very fast yes, yes, everything is very fast, already, except the cogos are
ten years. Pum when we quote him, but well I' m sorry already you hurt your knee luxury, but well I' m really glad that talent so young, because it' s doing dumbbell and it' s doing amazing things, especially that they' re doing things in a city that isn ' t so or so, it' s not for us, for example, that we' re in Mexico City. Here we are I' m on satellite, because so referring to Toluca, I don' t mean, it' s not like such an exponential reference you places, because they'
re doing things there. No yes, of course the train one we green with thanks, we recorded eagerly. Yeah, it' s really the only reason he' s identifying himself. So I' m really glad that, because you' re doing as well as about some outstanding, hot stuff, because, because what you' re talking about there is amazing, what a father and how about these two months working together, how the team situation is going. It' s just that, as we say, it' s
like the same thing. Obviously, here is no longer the same burden, so to speak, of you having your schedule and if something happens in the office and anything that doesn' t happen to us, but there is already a sale as owners, so to speak, and we have to take care of it both at work and at the office, all together so that everything goes well. Okay and also that is, then they do do everything complete,
both the project and the work. Yes, yes, right now, already speaking a little more like projects we, when we worked in the other office came a project that, well, among so many problems that there was, then, one of them was that no, because they did not give the customers as such the attention, although because it must be given to a client, not then, but like we made good friendship with them and when we went out and saw all our stories of the opening and that we were
already together and all that, they themselves looked to us already as three points. And the truth is that it is a project that has evolved a lot from the beginning, because they are the same, they are very young. I always say it. They are very small entrepreneurs, but small as old,
but very large. Already with everything they' ve done. Then they have shops as pet accessories, and some of those stores already have vets and the part of themselves to the aesthetic part, they already have currently between Toluca, Metepec and Lermo, Bueno and surroundings. Surroundings have twenty- two branches. So, right now, with them we' re doing all their renovation, already integrating as their brand, because they were just like opening branches,
but they weren' t giving them an idea. Then we are hand in hand with them, for yes, by making them first, because the design. Yeah, and right now, we' re focusing on its facades, which is on the projects Well, the work we' re doing right now. We' ve finished one, we' re missing two, because we ' re doing as the concept of three facades, three points. Then we
' re going to go three, three and three metaphysicians. We stop with the three aha and also important point to one of the owners of them are also favorite number of the three. Then he had to connect. Then we are. We' re excited, very excited about that project. They think so too with us. I hope it goes on. And so we are right now as a very good work and in projects like Ahorita. What are they doing apart from those works, what else are they doing, Ahorita.
Yeah, we got two more projects than one. It' s equally stuck it' s right in the center of Metepellin that in itself what the customers wanted was good. They have a six by twenty- two fit, if I don' t remember, it' s very compact, but no longer there is a house down for the parents in this case and above to establish apartments for the children. So we started out as that foray that everything looks good for obviously, by how that metepect center has a different regulation, so
to speak. So, we try to adapt to that and stever how it adapts to that and to the measurements of the terrain, because I do not know if you have seen that then on Facebook they appear, as in the houses of Yucatán, not that they are aha are a Band- Aid, so it is underground type of them. Then it was a challenge like adapting complete departments at the top for four children, then adapting complete departments to them independent, because they already look like everyone has their space. Yes, it
has been a challenge that, besides, everyone goes to the meeting. Not then, yes, it is so that ideas from one and from another, that is, everyone who, because everyone thinks, brings their ideas, but the same. The truth is, with them, we' ve done super well anyway, it hasn' t been. We don' t have a story that we don' t treat ourselves super bad. They are already more so far they are or had not, but yes yes, or that most
of so because there is one that must already cool down encouraged. We' re going to play his covers here, and yes, the truth is. Hey, well, I really like it. I' m glad you' re still doing things like that back in East Toluca and because, in eight years of di Radio, I' m very honest with you. We had never talked about Toluca, ok eight years of d Radio, we had never talked about an office that was there because it was doing things there in Toluca.
So yes, it' s something that does shock me to say, because that is to say that I uf that if I already knew I had that May stress, I don' t mean, the truth is that yes, Right now, I was thinking to myself, Right now, that you were talking associated and I said it' s not that we haven' t had someone from Toluca, nor that you' re doing things there, which I find a bit regrettable, but also a huge opportunity for you to grow up not and above all, that you too have in a very important role.
Now to say, because toluca is spoken, yes, beyond the train, to put it on the map, because just not toluca dance that is I remember I used to live here and I went there many things, but I remember that when I got to I already want girl. My friends here were telling me how about but or that there is a wig before the train, that is, really right now, yes, what is most talked about is the train. So, obviously we would like it at some point.
I always said it to me. I would like, as if, to make myself like on the map, to put me an angel at three points on the map, for just, so that people realize that there is talent, only lack support. I come from the r and I see, that is to say, fellow students, when I met Angel I saw already in Toluca. I was just saying, why don' t you give yourselves a chance to see them. No, I mean, there' s a lot
of very talented people who have almost no chance of anything. Of course then the fact that, for example, there in Toluca can not come as I do not know a museum, not know a museum, know not, for example, in the race, when they do the exhibitions of interior design here. I mean, it' s really hard to come over here and get to know all that. I mean, like I say, why isn' t there something like that back there in Toluca, why don' t you
take this project there to Toluca? You mean like that kind of opportunity? I feel like they do, like they make skirts, and it just happened to me last year with guys of good, rather, Pachuca offices. At that time, seven years of radio, we had never had anyone from Pachuca and not even talk about a Pacheco project. Put the ball on, no, but not really. And last year we met three offices in Pachuca and it was like none of them knew each other. You tell me, you
know another office in Toluca after readings, besides where we were. As such a firm I personally not and in fact, when you' re in the race and you want to do your internships, and all that is also super difficult, because finding as such an already consolidated office, that does like this kind of thing we want to do And all that, it' s not really that that' s a problem of centralizing everything in Mexico City. Yes, of the big cities, not just for example, in Monterrey or Guadalajara.
They are also very centralized in the big cities, in the capitals and we let ourselves be seen around us and it happens that just like in Toluca, Pachuca there is no community of architects and when it comes to presenting them, I didn' t know that you lived in Pacha going on either there is, please, no and there are many people wondering is that what is in Pachuca, beyond the past, I mean, that is very good, by the way, those to Pachuca or there was no one and so far
we continue to work and make plans with them to do something, not that it is going to be a community there in Pachuca, and I hope that we can also do it together with you everywhere, because yes, it seems to me something a serious middle problem, well, rather serious, that there is not, I don' t know, there is no community and that there are not doing things there and that have to be forced to come here, Yeah, sure. No. No. No. Don' t you?
the City of Mexico, so that they know things or that happen. Don' t you? Don' t you? No. No. It seems fair to me because aside, they are not so far away, that is, when they took an hour almost of mima and here Pachuca is faster, because from here in my house, but that is an hour and a half already cheaper shelves, then to use not to mean, it becomes very very very surprising or that, being so close, there is no longer this
kind of thing in these regions. But, well, we' ll put a solution to it, just like we' re doing things with someone in Pachuca. We' ll do it on your side and let you get the attention. I put myself on that flag and I' ll bet on it already, but I' m really glad you' re contributing, because you could be easy, so we' re going to Mexico City and we' re doing it there, but you didn' t decide to stay in that region. And what a good, good, that was a great task.
Yes, really, because it is opening the way, not just for us and as for the generations to come. Oh, yeah, I already say it as I am, I' m not counting, already you tepita your card, already you like it and already they are one no yes, I mean, in general, for example, the simple fact of having an exhibition, no means, taking an exhibition beyond interior design should be possible, it should be something, of course, that we can do. Of course we
will, and we will. We will. It will be my goal to leave at this time, so to choose you for Pachuca, for Autoluca. There was that problem. With that ending, you hear, well, I ' m very happy for you. I really feel like they' re gonna be doing great. I see them very determined, very committed to what they do, and I hope that it will continue to be so. I wish you all the best and I want you to tell me now about your design
process. How are you disillusioning him from the moment he gets to the client,
to you until you have to hand him over? How they are going to disaggregate it, because if always what we already do first is an aptic with the client, that is, to see their needs, which is what they need and what is good, more than anything to look for, not or be practical, because what we have, as very clear between me and so, is that they are going to live there, not clear or they are going to avoid that place more than we do, then give it a
design as a whole, so much so that we are designing, but also they get a little more into the design part so that it is not just project of their and mine if it is not project of swine more apart from the clients, then what helps us. I think that' s it. And apart from and even to design what is almost always like more a talk, not to see what can be done that no and then to start already
to design directly. Yes, because also something like that and in fact, we' ve put it as a campaign on our social networks is the fact that, for example, the client doesn' t always have, for example, you say, I charge so much per square meter, because sometimes the client doesn' t have that possibility. No, then I feel rather that one adapts as to the needs of the client, because sometimes he does not want to do the complete project, but he does want to have his plans
already complete. But he' s not going to start doing it all at once. Then you can tell him we' re going this way, but you already have your full design so that at some point, if you don ' t want me to keep working with you, then you keep doing it as you wish. We design it clearly, so it' s more than nothing, because if you ask them what their needs are at the moment,
what is your urgent? Because if you tell me I want my three- story house, but I don' t have the money to make it, because obviously I' m not going to force you to give me the full money to do the three- story work, then I' m going to ask you what your needs are? We look for, I don' t know, the best prices on the market and make it possible, that is,
we make your first floor possible. Let' s say with this budget that you have right now and that, at the end of the day, your first floor is your first need, of course, because we can' t do the second floor without it coming from below. Isn' t it, then, yes, more than anything, to talk to the client? I' ve always said it, I mean, it' s super important for me to make the relationship, I mean, get along with the client.
For me it' s very important then because already they kind of get more trust, so they already tell you how to hear Susana, is that because this problem is happening, Right now, I can' t know how to put the floor right now I, as I say, it' s okay. We really go according to their needs. And yes, indeed, the motto of us has always been that, as Angel said, they are the ones who are going to be there. We are the only ones who help them, we instruct them to make it more beautiful, that space works.
But we' re done and we' re gone. They, for they will live there all their life then, for they must be at hand with us. Well, well, said so, because many times the architect forgets that he will not live there if, sometimes more the ego and wants to see his signature more than the need of the client. And I advise you not to put them on. Yeah, it' s something I answer because he' s really an architect. It' s just to solve the customer' s needs And many times the client won' t tell you what
you need, but rather what he wants. And that' s when you have to go in as a psychologist, you have to see after seeing it is I see you need this, but you want something else. I mean, you also have to sit the customer down a lot. But how good that they are in that arrangement of dialogue because if it is a dialogue and it is always having communication with customers is vital and very important, because it
is for them, it is not for me. Yeah, no, yeah, it' ll look really nice on the Portfolio, but after all, you don' t live there. The three hundred and sixty- five days of the year of the twenty- four seven are not they. So, yes, they must be listened to very much, and it is good that they lend themselves to it. That' s good, I' m very pleased and he does some sort of thing like we' re gonna put on
some viros or before we get to work or something like that. What I love is to light candles, look at that pri I' m lighting a grandmother, so this is like for me that space smells rich, it' s very important, very good, I mean, you can hear noise, no matter if it' s music, a movie, because we are to put movies, even if we don' t see them, but we listen. Yeah, I make people like talk, so I kind of like that. But always, always, always has to get rich and I have to
buy. I always have a candle on when we' re there in the office. That' s good, that' s it Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ria, I said to someone, the rat paints it, and I' ll be right back on what father and right now. You' re just the two of you, yes, but it' s fine. But there' s even something I really like to tell. It' s just that we bought a coffee maker. But when we were there buying it and everything I was looking at, for example, the cups? No,
how many rates does this coffee maker have? And I was thinking and saying that I, at some point, bought the biggest captain. No, and I said that at some point I want to have a lot of people in the office, I mean, I know this coffee maker right now is for two, but in the future it' s going to be for twenty. And if I want no, I mean it' s like an idea,
yeah, give it a chance about everything I was saying to you. Not that, for example, when someone wants to do their internships, they look for us and know that there they can send as their information their yield and, obviously, because we will be willing to support them. Of course, then, yes, I would like to have the next one working. Good, you' ll see what' s gonna happen soon. That' s by magic and suddenly it' s like there' s already a team of
ten people and what time it happened. No, but that' s good, they' re on the right track. And if it' s a chambota to make it both, yes, yes, it already is, yes, but little by little they' re going to grow. They' re very small in terms of office, really, but little by little things are happening. I' m so glad you' re on your way. And so what would be for you as the project that you would love to see come to the Office, that is, it would grow. This would be
the crown jewel of us. What would be angel Oh I never thought as such I told you not to think until now, so far five my pass it but I don' t know. For example, I would very much like in question something like where people can socialize, that is, a large space, so to speak, where there is obviously more interaction of people than of anything else, so to speak, in which we can be more present.
Ok that is the simple fact that the best there is a slab like this or in a certain way change and give a different perspective of the architecture is being done very well. His for me would be walking on the side I always wanted to be a doctor. It would be a hospital for me. Okay, that' s the fact that I got to a hospital would be like I left no yes, that' s like I always said it, that' s when I started studying architecture and I couldn' t study
medicine anymore, I said the day I designed a hospital. That' s gonna be like my my my wow. It' s very interesting. That one taught a hospital. It' s very interesting. Hey, what a father you have in common. Approst to see if he gets to the hospital, you' re going to enter them, because I have to but yes,
you can or not. Same or friend, they don' t tell you, no, but it' s still how I feel that the same thing comes in that I want, that it' s social art, that ' s like being in touch with people, so I feel that it'
s going to complement very well. Yes, because there are very complete hospitals, especially in Europe, for example, there are hospitals as very different from those we have here and do not mean you start, independently, obviously, without water, because they are either as they are mini cities within a hospital, because they have absolutely all the specialties and apart, they have precisely these spaces of coexistence among people who are suffering something, among those who are going
to give rehabilitation, among those who are waiting for something and so that they are like more places, not only as of hopelessness, but that they are as recreational and that they are told as a respite because they are in very tense pinals nothing because they are good or bad news or something unforeseen. Not then to have them as in camera centers. I think they can do something together. All right. You heard teleton listen, oh, yeah, I ' d love to. I spent some time with my sister, I was
living in Queretaro for a while. Every time we were in the car and all that would be reached to watch the teleton of keretaro and we were investigating a good one that teleton and it' s, I mean, the design is amazing. Yes, yes, it is. One time I went to want to have a concert and we went through the telethon there because they' re in the part here and I said ay which father is the project.
And I' ve already had the opportunity to go to the state of Mexico here, here in the state of Mexico and all in the state of Mexico. I' ve gone to the one who, by the way, is my brother working. Greetings there to Latvian and the truth is that it has impeccable facilities, really impeccable, incredible. And there I did say, because it is worth that yes, but it will be amazing to participate in one of those is. It' ll be formidable, ble, formidable, yes,
it' s amazing. The truth is what father they do and who are their five favorite architects or designers or because they have in their sights right now. From the beginning to the present I have had this way in the
look, look, look at the deaf Madalena. Well, that is, in fact minor before I make like this together and that I had as already the idea of becoming independent as such this I always said my dream job that being deaf madalen and in fact, then I follow it on social networks and everything and once there was a make- up vacancy and I said this would be my ideal job, because I something that since I started studying the race, went to make models. I mean, yeah, you mentioned that you
like it and I love that and I think it can be confirmed. I say no or yes. It' s something I' d just like to implement on three points. Do not sell the project together with a model. It would be amazing to me. And that' s good, and it ' s already the deaf test give this legos and Legorreta to me I love colors, yes, that is to say I love designing with a lot of
color. All right. So Legorreta identifies for that, i e, they think he' s a bell and I' m seeing in my mind orange and blue that nothing that does, call and yellow, yeah, but yeah. I also really like them as an office and everything they do, not because I also follow them on their social networks and see how they interact with students and all that I really like. All right. You' re three
short, she' s a son of a bitch. Yeah, really since the race of these two dispatches like they' ve saved me, okay, so they always made reference to everything Okay, I hope you' re listening to Victory j Good. Despite the other three angels I think I would say good is that I always feel like more linear. I feel architects. I feel that one would be already forgotten, they were told it would be Van
de Rock, that I feel that it is one of the most. I always broke my career, that is, for everything, for both design and concept, and everything was more than anything he oy. Besides, I also feel like it' s gonna be Davidge Prefield I well, the last Pritzker. I remember myself and so three others and the options are over and here goes another gri Obviously, there' s a designer who forgot her name and
I' m going to regret that all my life. But as such, I remember that there was a matter in the race that they told you you ' re going to expose your favorite architect, not ok and I saw how not everyone spent the same day to expose. Then I saw as a constant that my companions only exposed to male architects. Then I wondered why, why only men. No. For example, I chose at that time an architect and designer who was a woman who told you that I don' t remember
her name. But really the fact that there are women like in this industry. I feel like it' s like I' m thanking you. Not because thanks to the first women who decided to start studying architecture, because it is that we can be here today, not that despite that we are still fighting, because, because I believe that you also in this case fight with stereotypes And all that, because it has touched me. And I haven' t been here that long, since I' m already in for jobs.
But I did get that part. So the fact that there are other women before me, very much earlier, who decided to start getting into this, because obviously, they are grateful for the opportunity that we are being given. It wasn' t Mexican, yes, Mexican, I don' t know Bilbao, bilbaja, yes, clearer or not to the discoverer who want, no, yes, yes, yes, that is, and I was really the only one who in this class exposed about an architect woman. Oh good, what? Well, I' m glad you' re very present there,
because, yes, just a lot. Sometimes we talk about male architects, but what about women. That' s not how it happens to us. And also, I mean, I suddenly include myself I' m mentioned by man and it' s like and the women where I stayed, not that they' re also very referent. I' m telling you, it ' s amazing that ajajadin is Lina Boardi. The truth is that there are many things to thank you for, not that they were pioneers. I'
m still owed here by the architects. Yeah, I mean, she' s got to see the woman' s worth for tea, two are missing, and she' s got three. They are of three, no, but that good, that is, I am glad that they have like these references in architecture because, yes that is, they serve inspiration many times not to say to the best. I want to get just like him to that
level. Or I don' t know, for example, about that something madal in which it is already an industry, it' s a monster that we send a kiss to sma this because the truth is that yes, they do a great job, but it' s already a monster the office. Yeah, but it' s good that I follow him as a reference and that they aspire to that, because I know this I' m sure they ' re gonna make it, because it' s amazing, that what they ' re doing is moving really well. And in a place where nothing is
spoken, I mean, I like to say two things. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, but good to hear and I' m loving to
meet you. The truth is that I liked them very well, very well that I liked you, and I hope that it is not the last time that you are here on the radio, because, because I want to keep seeing them grow and that more things are being done and that I keep telling myself that already in Madrid, the I want to see I am already engaged and I am very committed already there pastes, but the rosary and the candle this, because it is not the last time that you are here with us
and that it also participates with us, because then we do as toor of this with the marks. And so they are more invited to give in heart. And so I would like, like to conclude this first, this first episode, with you what you would say to the new generations of architects that, like you, you want to venture into the arena of undertaking or that you are starting what you would say to them if the first thing would be that you do not look proven, that is, it would not be easy
at the beginning, that is almost always. You think it can be very difficult to start with this, but, I mean, I think we' re in a generation that, with your computer, can be pretty much everything, so you don' t tell him then how there' s no way he can appreciate it. You can close the doors. There' s always gonna be a chance someone' s gonna give you almost always. Your first project is a remodel for some family, some friend, and from there you
start and go forward. Then never fed hope. All right, well they don' t feel less, because I feel like there will always be people who want to tell you that you can' t be very green the favorite word of all architects, because yes, they don' t give up that we are always in constant learning, obviously, even the best architects who have their mistakes, then they just like starting, obviously, with more challenges and
all that. But if you don' t take step one already, then when it' s going to be, no, then start from now on, even if you can, since you' re in the race, start as to strengthen, yes, all your learnings. I do not know how to take courses, that is me, that is something that I very much appreciate the courses that I have taken outside the career, because yes, of the educational system that we have today, because it does not help that we
say much. Yes, then, yes, let them learn that all the time they have doubts that they always want to learn something more that they don ' t keep anything more with what they teach you in the race, because, then, they don' t serve us much out here. And that is not so, because they do not believe the person who tells them no, because it means, because it speaks more about the other person, does not mean that their dreams are small. Then you have to have big dreams,
very good guys. Nice to meet you. I really do get along very well and wish you all the luck in the world, because you are doing an excellent job. I mean, what starts well, always goes very well. There are indeed many congratulations for doing this, because I congratulate you and because I do not know the last time to have you here in die radian yes Thank you very much for the invitation to you for coming at what time Mexico City. Thank you very much, thank you and thank you to
the audience. We' re listening there in Spotify, Google Podcast, Amazon
Podcast from Seer Iher, that is, everything that ends in podcast. We ' re there, so there isn' t, but worth saying we don ' t find them there, we' re on all the music streaming, so there isn' t. But, and so, we appreciate very much here I collaborate for being our headquarters in this new season, that we are here, in the street of San Luis Potosí, one hundred and thirteen, here in the Colonia Roma, and so, we listen to the next we
have more podcast and we are almost in the final stretch of this season because we are already preparing for the summer and well, I send them a greeting and many thanks to three points, thanks to Joally and thanks to everyone. Bye Bye.