Hello Good afternoon I' m Karen Ramirez. We are in another broadcast of dir Radio and the design in your ears here in capo work that we are here already closing the new season of the year of d Radio, because we
listen until autumn that already, relatively, not long. We' re already in the middle of the year and well, we' re already getting ready in these months that we' re not on vacation, basically we' re getting ready for all the autumn events, because they' re so many and they already know that we' re doing a lot of radio coverage here. Meanwhile, I am very happy because I am with an architect who was with us eight years ago. He was one of the first guys we interviewed here
on D Radio when we started airing and he' s plucio monine. How are you Lucia Hello, what a miracle finally gazing at point hears, what happens to you too, of course, oh, of course, is here present and attentive very well. It' s good to have you here again and after all these years, because it' s been eight years in it, but I don' t mean, they went off flying back. What did I tell you that I told you at my age eight, they were anti- renous, almost almost almost and seeing she' s super young,
I told her what' s wrong with you. Oh no, I' m an eighteen- year- old boy trapped in this hideous body. You just voted for the first time on Sunday ha ha almost yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah, hey, we got a new hearing. We ' ve grown a lot in eight years on die radio. They do not listen to us in other countries, in Latin America, much also in Europe. Why I don' t know, but the interest is infinite. Then that' s it. We have a wonderful side. Then I' d
like them to meet you. I' d like to start by asking you who Lucio is, son. I' m gonna try to answer that, because I answered it. But here you go you go first, because when I was very, very young and I talk to you about three years four, my mom pushed very hard that I was a painter because she saw me
draw and lived. Well, I' m going to push him around this one then, like he was a character my boss taught me a lot, he wouldn' t tell me look at this is Willem de cunning and look at this Santon and tapias and look at this is all the painters, especially abstract expressionists. I don' t know why, but I started seeing a series of things that I really liked. Not then did I start to get
into that little walk and get into painting lessons from a little girl. So, you know how I see Miles Davis being asked today, you know the trumpet player, whether they ask him what it feels like to be born with a gift of blowing the trumpet like you play it and he said no, because I wasn' t born with a gift like that, with a mom who gives me a trumpet when I was three years old and since then I
' ve stopped and studied more and more and played more and more. And that' s why, well, hey, eventually it' s a good thing. Not then, well, that' s where I started painting and then I had a guy. This good one, not later, but I already had a guy who at three, four or five. That' s where that guy was lucky enough to have pushed me into discovering the interesting, because that' s the way he taught me. Look, listen to this little disk, look at this book, and since he was a madman,
he wasn' t such an amazing painter. Javier Monian in peace, rest this one that I see today backwards, for I say how lucky that would have been, because it was another that woke me up several things, not this one. But in nineteen hundred and seventy- six, which I was already seven years old, I went to a party that was a meal of my parents, which I accompanied them for accompanying them and entered a house in the south attached to the house where Pedro Ramírez Vázquez is from, where you
are rusty. Penis same blocks of account. This is where Barragán' s house is. There is the Casa Pedregal, from Casa Prita, which is the preto López, who later changed the name to Casa de la barran A Casa Pedregal, Forgive me. This and the thing is, it' s a house that Joseph of Iturbe made. I didn' t know. No, I went into this house and I started seeing everything and I said Mom what it is. This is not the home of the owners of those who
invited us to eat. This is his house, as well as that I saw this building that had everything but house, not clear and hears, but this is not, for it is a courtyard and it was this space with four walls containing a courtyard that had a hole that you saw a garden back. I mean, it was bad that I wondered so much that my boss ever since said aha, aha and where this güey was. No. The thing is, time went by and I remember my dad giving me ten pesos
on Sunday and suddenly giving me fifty pesitos. Not me, and now you ' ve brought him up to me. No. I didn' t raise anything for you. It' s your ten Sunday pesos and forty more to encourage your painting. I' m amazing, and I' m really crazy. Then I was going to get my cambas and my poleos and my brushes.
The fact is that when time passed, already out there from fifth sixth of high school in fifth high school, he exactly told me what you' re going to do when you finish high school that follows for you I said,
because I put that still painter game that what? No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. As a painter, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, if you are going to starve to death, remember that and he told me without telling me, but he told me that there is already a tamayo ok, remember that I tolerate and there is already one forget it and I said
no. But I want to do my things and nothing is that you' re going to starve to death. I need you to study in a school that would be important for you to make social relationships. This one and that I need. But if you can' t study painting, I can study, why don' t you study something that you like and study architecture, I said hey, but that' s, that' s building, no, he said no. It' s also exactly design and I said as if ah ok ok, kind of did it to him. This looks like
it doesn' t happen to me. It' s fifth gear you' re gonna do right now for the summer, so nothing. Well, then, why not. Instead of doing anything, I put you in an architecture office, of the big ones, of the powerful ones, of them I touch the door and what they can tell me is that no. So, let' s go and knock and total knock on Javier Sordo' s door
and I was that summer serving coffees and edging plans. For those of you who don' t know what it' s like to draw plans we worry about this one no longer exists and I started doing things and I started to see how an architect worked and I said this face to face. If I like it, no, then I became friends there I told you listen, because I am going to attend sixth high school, but finishing I am going
to stop the architecture and I want to work here in part time. If you talk to us in a year, don' t worry about it then because I spoke to them in a year and the day I started studying architecture, I started to work in the office of Sordo madenormaneros this and with everything and everything, like that all that part of Prepa still had some contact. Suddenly they were talking to me He hears what to do for the weekend Nothing
here where we' re going. Don' t help us in the ocins that we need to ribeter, but we need this to put h today or put pure things out of the 80s that no longer exist. You think it ' s no longer from or accurate. This is the case that, as that happened, I started fortunately, I started in the field of practice and that which I thank today in the soul for life and the universe, because, because it is a trade like everything not and as with painting, like
music. This one, with all this that my uncle from Chavito taught me, this to the Ki caught up with me to buy me a mariachi guitar and that' s what I learned to play bass with my punk band from Prepa. No, or we were doing covers like that of punk bands that we liked about this Eirly Aries, not like Kennedy' s, Soccer Jurks of Black Flgo, all of them. And the thing is, that'
s how I started to really like music. And we never stopped playing today, for example, the book I just gave you was the day we presented it, which was in December of the two thousand nineteen my band played there that no yes, I remember. I did. I was the pro pasa a book that was a great presentation and apart we presented it in the role or, it was not want where you present a book, because in the scroll, of course what ro mine. From then on that was very good
and as time has passed, I have not stopped doing so. And I haven' t stopped practicing and I haven' t stopped it then, because now I' ve done a house that my mom really liked lately. My little boy told me what the price of this house is and I said ay, because after thirty- seven years of practicing architecture, something got into that health well. Not then, well, pretty much, it' s a
muddy piece of my story. Wow, well, it' s a great story full of a lot of artistic things, which is basically your formation, your formation, and your personality. Yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah? Yeah, you' re always like that, I mean, full of music, full of paint, that' s who doesn' t know you, that' s really under a rock, because it' s both unclear and clear. Yes, we have to accept it, we have to accept it.
And yes, that' s how I know things. I mean, you were in the role to start with, okay, but that' s just here humbly that, but that' s good. The gallery owner who sponsored the book, who was the guy who represented me at the time, he knows that he owns the role, so look then that' s why he said hey, why don' t we present your book, the Rol, and I said okay vas I mean, he did come out before before he breathed to say yes, ah it was amazing. It was the presentation
was divine. I remember in the two thousand nineteen, when we are very normal still, because there you had me with Pepe moyau Listening to you and the Baby marveled with you that we sent him a kiss and a hug. So, defend, Pasper, yeah, I mean, we' re, like, playing you there, your bass was amazing. Ah and besides, it is, indeed, a kind of antler of unscrewed. This one has a spectacular sound. Yes, the grace and then connect the band there,
because I know or I incredible, no, no, yes. It was a great presentation of the best book presentations I' ve ever been to. I have sincerely gone full sun, for there will be third, yes, please, but we are in the Hornon Parth. So yeah, look how interesting you liked to make pounds. So look, since I was a kid, since I was a kid, and I mean since I started studying, I' ve been saying why they' re famous. Those who are famous
make amazing, they make incredible architecture. Some if some don' t, they' re all fucked up. It was something that follows, some don ' t, all I like, but that' s not and others don ' t. But why are so many so famous How good questions And then he put analyzing two minutes, for I said clearly, since the one who does not teach does not sell. No, then you start to think that
today, because he always wins the best, the best. Sure, always then like with all that bookmaking stuff, which was the way to teach your stuff and I say clear that magazines, of course all you want, which was the way in the' 80s no longer right now. They' re social networks and it' s something else. But it was to have that, that way of being able to reach people, your client, your acquaintance, I don' t know what you could do, because a little bit
a mess of your work to see what you' re doing. No. Interestingly, we live in a world where not everyone makes a book. And if you make a book, then you' re a weirdo of those who are so important that you make a book no, then of course at that time I said no. No. No. It can' t be like that, I mean, I can' t have a talent that' s so stingy that I can get to the publishing house, that' s for
them to make me a book. It' s not what I have to do, because I make an editorial, I make a book, I don ' t, I mean, what I did then in the lookout for editions that ADCB and nothing was an editorial that made books for me and those were the first five. I' d tell you, and then I nailed myself with an archer and made one that was called ten lost contests, one won.
And then I made this, which is called this painting music and architecture, which is more of a because it' s like my Complete Works, short box at my fifty years, a little bit more on the carte of more or less and in fact, your book of ten lost contests, one won. I found it recently in the Basque in the cellas. Oh,
no, well, all right, uh, I found her. I said there, look no, because then I like the Jalapso building better the truth hears and it was amazing that you started with Javier Sordon Madalena, because it gives you an institution and it still is But at what time Lucio said time I go, because it is that I go into that oxygen and having fleas in the panties because I had pulas in educations, for two reasons. Okay.
The first fundamental motive was hopelessly in love with my boyfriend in Turno ok, who was my wife and I had three children with her East and thanks to that, because what I needed was money. Not then, listen, if you can study architecture, then give it extremely hard. So, for me time in that soda office didn' t exist. It wasn' t to be there and fulfill and do and do more, and do more? And do more? And do more? I don' t forget that once
javi the prietus that was my boss within the optional deaf. One day he told me," Hey, I' m so excited" How about you throw in an idea of this ladder, which was a bonoglow that you had on account that two rooms down and two rooms up and in the middle you had to put a ladder. Why don' t you design a ladder, see what, see what you' re doing not me, as well as amazed why I' m going to have to design something this one then suddenly you know I remember it was a Thursday at eight o' clock at night.
They were so little before eight o' clock. I went out at eight o' clock, went from four or eight o' clock before eight o' clock and suddenly I said so I sat down in my lifter, put a paper and started to make an idea and then I made this rectangular prism that had inside a cone, a cone like that. Then the cone closed in a small hole fifty centimeters up there and it was a helical staircase
that was going to be small. No And besides, thank you that you had the cone inside a rectangular prism, you had a space there dead where if you made a window towards, towards a very deep window, then I didn' t start doing that. I got home. I was ready the drawing at you know on Thursday at eleven o' clock at night and I said I' m worth a hat going to make a scale model one to
ten, a twenty. I don' t remember, but she was a maquetona that to find you and I started doing it and at eight in the morning I finished it and I said I' m not going to school anymore. Today I' m going to teach Javier Preto and I came with him. He was taught and he told me it can' t be to see
that it was weird. No. You' re coming live today, right, yeah, no, no. No, that' s how he was already wearing a foquito, putting the model down a spotlight like that, and he looked inside and said no. No, Lucio, she' s so brute, and that' s where she came in deaf. Don' t hear what they' re doing, what it' s not today, because it' s the model here shoaquí muñane for the bunker of the Cuernavaja house we were doing. Of course, that' s why it' s not
enough money. How you make a model of a ladder, of a bongale pinche the house of Cuernavaca hears why. No. No, no, no, no, wait a minute, pcto. Lucio went to his house there at night and that uju and that battery carton and that time, as they paid between Lucio, muniame and Luso a gie dad until wey patacinada Pafle. Then the truth. Then he deafened very attentively. Oh, look, he ' s already got the model and he' s flipped the spotlight. He told me no, master man, what a brute if you do this for
a stairway in a bunker that you weren' t for a hotel. And I pointed it at Azucar and told him exactly, exactly, and then I remember perfectly that he was in the Westin contests, the Westing of Bayart the Capes and the Cancún contests. The one in Cancún won him, the one in chaos, and the one in Bayartá won us. And that' s where he started an amazing career where in the fourth semester he was project manager. This one I started winning Lana as project manager and I just said Sonoulie,
what is the school reading for these güeyes worth mother. I' m in, I' m in the creative part you wanted. Yes, exactly. So, when I finished the race that was already full time. This one, you know, an accountant came in and he said, hey, Lucio, you know what it is that you' re gonna have to go down half the ground. Or not, because how can you win the same thing as these old men who have been here for years? Son and I said, well, look, if anyone' s going to tell me that
they' re going to be deaf and then you' re out. The next day I just fought to see Hahaha and told him it' s not possible, as you' re saying that Güey, I just got married. How you think, how you can do it. Well it' s that giving me a chance and that' s how they told me to see you know to see me contact the owner no longer see project, because it' s me and I, because that' s why he hears this good, I have neither ideal. Let' s just leave it at that and if
they pulled my ears, we know what we' re doing. I' m depressed, not like that, how could you possibly pay me with that coin? I can' t believe that. Pepe and peat partner of deaf for thirty years. Well, John' s deaf, not that he was grandpa. Yes, yes, this Pepeturo is married to Malena Sordo. That ' s why there' s the relationship. This one tells me listen, you know he' s already fighting me with Javier and I' m going to open my office and I want you to be my partner and I was
twenty- two, twenty- two and I said yes to everything. So I gave up on Sordo and I said I' m here and I kind of said, oh clear here my business The Beasnes Software Infir The funtur Rainey isn' t going to do that. No more boys people foya and but I' m with a good old man, so I saw it. I wasn' t, because I was at my age. I' m fifty - five. Now I' m twenty- two, and I know with wait for the phone and I wasn' t with him for four years.
this old man, for I' m nothing more. I' m gonna Interestingly, we did four hours of which he brought two and I brought two. Okay, and at that point I wondered what the hell he wants, I want a partner, so he looks better, so he looks better, than what, according to who doesn' t. And then, today I see myself in my practice that, because I' ve done a lot of great things girls of all kinds and I say divide this wool into two or
three or four. I don' t know how the ones who have theirs do it I don' t know how to be curious then, because I was with Iturbe and one day I gave up on Turbe, but I' ve had enough of being in without a big girl where I was project manager and say nothing more or less banalando, being with an otubre who won the same thing more or less good Lana Ok and then I said no, already,
what I want is money point. Then I left with my impeller friends, who were Javier Barrios and Toño who had this developer who when I was with Pay, I was about a month with Pay, who went per chaman manhat Ok and I said Pay. The only thing she said to me was that when I was your age, I got together with my fourths of money and already by my developers and they started doing their little things and because I was their little argument, and because they were very powerful developers and eMe here,
Amy very nice to go to turn and then I said, well, I' m going to do that to the Mexican woman. No. So I went with these guys. I started doing projects, but not at all Fathers. I didn' t like it. He made a lot better money. But I was in a nine- to- five office with paid car and medical insurance. I was in a fucking tie, in a tall godinato, but a bodinato to the film. Oh sorry here go mind this one
and I said no. No. No, no? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no. No. For me the creative is going to be no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, very difficult for the creative to be employed, because the creative is the creative. This one and I said I don' t know what I' m
gonna do. I' m going to ask a friend who I have that I' m project manager at Banco Santander. I' m going to tell him if they don' t have a few little branch offices out there and if he' s quitting here orale I remember you earning fifteen thousand pesos a month for telling you and I got to my staff and I told him listen
to his architect and I opened my office and approved it. I don' t know what to fight as if not clear this one and notice that what I want is this, because to start like this with Chamba and I would love to make branches of Santander. He said," Look, if I have several, how about I give you three to start" What I do have to tell you is that we pay very badly seriously and how much they
pay twenty thousand pesos to pick up. I said I earned fifteen thousand pesos a month and they stopped twenty thousand for taking them because I made them to you and I said well, ok hey, it' s the least, that' s the most you can pay me this, but one, not twenty thousand. It' s the most I swear to them that you have branches in three afternoons, the three executives, I' m on my own, my computer, that' s amazing. I said I realized I had
time to go get a job. He has the time, of course, of course and apart he could do the job and apart he could start at five in the morning if I wanted to, yes, yes, and finish at twelve at night. I wanted to. So that was amazing, and
that' s where my career started. I all by myself where my career began, with three bank hikes in the dining room of my house, with a machine and drink me with a program called Microstation See how dophisticated it is not, because if you were sticado, I would still know how to use this one, but I started with that and then started to grow the obscina. And it was a little bit of telling you that a friend of mine, my dad, is praising me, and he' s saying, hey,
since he opens this toxin. The other day I had dinner with your dad and he told me you were walking and you were riding toxin. Today you are interested in entering a contest to make the new headquarters of the Mexican Football Federation. Sure, hey, I got two things to warn you about. One is a contest we won' t pay, a fifth and two you go against the big ones, you go against the big ones and who
the big ones are. No, therefore, the Teodoro Gonzalos de León, Enrique en Norten, Javier Sordo, José Iturbe, Pancho Serrano, this one knew who Seria, not true. He had three others, and I had ten. I remember this one and I said and they told me then nothing else. We want a sketch without a drawing so you can show us what you would do so pray then you don' t know what I wanted. I made an absolute trap, what did you do? We didn' t
know, me and Mauricio in my office, that' s all. Ok and then we did a projecta za razo incredible flat printed sheets glued to Fombourg, which was a rarity. This was a rarity, but another of the romances just started there or this one. And I remember making a model because I dropped the house of a lawyer friend who had wool and I made a model that might cost me 150, 000 pesos today. So a fortune I had a marital quarrel. Because of that fart because you imagine being invited to
a contest against sacred cows and you' re cracking. What' s good in a car, no yes, well, it' s bad and you ' re bad and I said, well and besides, I called ten friends who studied with me that they all put on their suit and tie and they came as well as my dry, they played a model that they took in a relay truck. Look at the presentation. It arrives moñaine with ten prints this and puts the model that the model came covered with an East fombord capelo.
He taught me that. Deaf. Once we introduced you to open Paredsis, once we introduced you to the contest of telmex Aslim and was invited Sordo, the Begers and Theodor Pepon we will take it away. Look at this one and I remember Sordo was the first and came up with his model. He put it on the table and I lincoln his cigar. So all chewed up and said listen before I say hello, Javier, how are you?
Hey, Javier and the parking lot. Ah well, we think that the parking lot we are going to lower half level and so we raise half level the whole square of all the land so that it is a square with fountains and trees and rolls and so that you do not see cars. Ah hey, Javier, and you know why I did it at the Pedregal, the Pedregal of San Angel. Not for that. But since it' s half - level, there' s no quarrel, because then there isn' t. No, no, no, you know it' s dynamite 14 thousand
square meters of earth, not by two meters down. You' re gonna pay for that or not. The thing is, you don' t know that Javier forgives me, but your proposal doesn' t help me. We honored the twenty- five sheets I made, they didn' t open them. No and we left the room and got into our car and by and won Teodoro and then Teodoro when they started doing the building. Those who found the tutancamono pyre down there and forgot it was over and did nothing to me.
But it closes well. The point is, that' s what I came up with with my model covered so no one would think I' d learn. Then I put all my prints. I taught them the whole thing. This was Borja, the President, was Lebrija, the director and Hernández was the treasurer. Those were the judges and suddenly they see my proposal. They pick up my entourage, lift up this capelo and see the model. Put a giant model, but he also this room, well he invents it
for that room that has like three and a half for more. This way, and they see her, and she says to Lebrija, hear, for I don' t know you, but Lucio won for me and they shined on him, for me too. And Hernández said no, because for my worst and obviously, you have to face that that happens to you every Monday, because I know how much your congratulations. Or thank you very much, many times thank you very much. In that the treasurer tells me listen I
can talk to you, yes, your presentation. I can' t believe it. I want you to design me my corporate watch that I' m a pressure counter and I want you to go with my son to close a dial today to make me corporate, okay Yo. I imagined an accountant. What are you going to do to him, no, I don' t
know, no, because that accountant owns autofine. Oh, no, yes, there, yes, then, and that day I tied up Tophinc' s corporate, which right now is fine, insurgent and particular and it was a project fifteen to twenty- seven years of forty thousand square meters, all for throwing the house out the window and the Mexican Fotbol Federation was cancelled. I don' t know what frauds they dropped less what happened and never heard
from her again. Yeah, well. So, back to your initial question of how I started, I started kicking ass, that is, there' s no other way to say it. Like your summary this hey paid you so risked everything, yes, but today I see it back, because the one who does not risk does not win, because let aside you have to believe it. You know, of course, it' s just knowing Northn can run errands for you. Not very well, very well said because why.
Why not, because it is better than you just for reindeer na, but why who said, imagine that all those cows thank you all if they taught me what they all presented Legorreta was the legorre lego. I come up with three books and he said look, because here is more what I do. Then you know that, because this is going to look the same pink and yellow. And so it is a little bit of that seeing this one and came theodoro with a sketch that like this, with drawings to Manopla,
very artistic and very lecorvo, with his little faces and roll. And this one and that' s how they all got in with their stuff. One does, with little ideas and but arrived munine with a delivery, as if he had been paid and as if he had a revolutionary architecture company of the 20th century and as if he had paid him the exact ten. Then it ' s amazing because that way, by practicing now, you really beat him by practicing tennis. Sure, by the way, you have to practice a
lot, I fear a lot. Yes, because the new generations of architects think that it is very easy and very fast the process of growing. For one it will be for others, for it takes a while, that is. And the funny thing is that all these offices that I see that have grown on Instagram, to tell you something clear, that they have beautiful things and you see these images that you say wow. Not sure, this one, but I see it as I' ve always seen my universes, not
when I was little that I saw guys looking at my universes. No,
I think Venezuela will win. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
' re not gonna win Brazil, are you? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It' s not going to win, you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and I' m going to win inside, like, always with my analytical character, for having read everything I read thanks to my uncle for seeing everything I saw I was saying how they can judge a woman by a bichemistry photo
well said and how about if she lends her mouth and doesn' t know how to think or yes, or she smells a lot better mouth and piece than you and she' s not so pretty, what you prefer not, because yes, the second option, because I say, she doesn' t hear today, she does fulfill everything, because it will be my universe.
But, but, curiously, curiously, today you see those images of amazing things that because who knows if they pull not clear, yes, yes, yes, that is, why, because they are images, they are not works, not exactly. Anyway, this one looks at nothing else. Hey, I have a question that gives me a stir. I mean, watching
everything, how you risked and kicking ass on big Mondays. How is your design process today, How is it that, how is your rhythm, how you take it from when it comes to you and until you give it to him temptfully, how you' re going unhappy notice that another amazing one is that since I started in summer of eighty- seven with deaf gave me the task of starting to buy architectural books. Okay, why,' cause she
' s once today wiped out in class. It was once to teach in my generation and then saying because if you do not travel read exactly I said ah ok, then I started to buy my books from the archis that I liked. And there were many more art books that I liked in Mexico that today hear very rare, because of course there were bookstores, but before there were more, listen to the Arrita College, that is in the bookshop shocking, yes or no more this And the case is that I started, started
and I have not stopped. Thirty- seven years later, I haven' t stopped buying books and they don' t fit anymore and they don' t fit anywhere anymore. I have the double triple rows in my house and in my office and today what gives me that I have a document where the architect who presents his work to you, because he presents it to you as he wants to present it to you. But there are photos, there are plans, there are sketches, there are models, there are perspectives, there
are everything, and they teach you their design process. Reading that design process is not the text. Text you can give one approach with another, with another optics, but that is worth that optics at the end the net. So the amazing part is like with all that stuff you do, you make a synthesis of having a hard drive, full of information, of architecture. So, today, back to the question of my design process, when they
tell me listen make some offices, because I have seen many offices. So today I know I can do that I like it, that I don' t like it above all and somehow there' s always one already I have this how I' ll tell you a processor inside of me that when they tell me hears and if you do in this terrain that have a lot of slope, an office tower explore Greece as well as artificial intelligence. I already have things coming up, you know, I mean there' s always a
desire before, before the show and before everything. Not then, and that desire, because it makes that when you have, as well as already a way to say boom here, I will have, as well as this giant courtyard or this way to climb to the tower or this, that is always there are all those processes that make me, because it is already doing the architecture that I do. No later I had super teachers fortunately not close and
somehow the four of them. The four told me the same thing, in other words, the one I saw I think ten times to talk about architecture. So very closely that he invited me to his office to talk to him was the legorreto and then rreta. That was one thing, no, and all of a sudden he said hey, here' s Richard Rogers. I don' t know if you know him for days come and so we gossiped
I was going until I put my little tie on. No, these were serious people before look, but deaf and Viturbe like this and that later, especially Iturbe and lately Andrés Casillas, not that with him I won the airport of Guadalajara four years or five. The point is, the four of them told me with the same or different words. The most important thing about architecture, the most important thing you will design. It' s what doesn' t come on the needs list. Think of any building you' ve ever
seen your mother break. Tell me which one you want the one that you like the one that breaks my mother, yes, yes, yes, tell
me one, the one that is the College of Mexico. You like Teodoro, any Mexican school that has that building, of course, that has everything they asked Teodoro, yes, of course, but what Teodoro did, that made it a great building, because all that middle yard, with those perbolas, with those, with those unevennesses, with that way of getting you into all the places that the Mexican school has, that of course they didn' t come on the program, they said I want 17, 000 classrooms and
I want three auditoriums and I want and that is the bathrooms and a cinema and that I want then all that other that makes it a theodoro building, because it is what makes it a fucking life, not what they didn' t ask, what they didn' t ask him, because what they are nicer you are going to do a classroom, yes, of course it can be more beautiful, but it is a classroom, yes, yes, hear that house, what you' re going to do as the main chamber,
I know, because it' s better than not. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it' s still a main bedroom that has a bed, yeah, no, but everything else that' s going on, what' s going to happen there, yeah, exactly what' s going to be interesting then, so that if to Barragán, then the tour clearly
picks up that all that, but the tour, why? Why? When you ask for a house barragán, first you enter a garden that you die, and then you enter a patio that has a mirror of water, that you have culture, that you turn, and then you enter another garden that you walk in a roof of I don' t know how. And then you open the door and there' s a lobby that has a very flirting staircase and then you walk into the living room. In the end, it
' s true, it' s very true. They set up a room, and the truth is, I' m stuck with it, and I ' m in detail. So that' s process. There he is He doesn' t believe me. See, look at the building you like the most. OK, well, well, well, then, that' s where you come from, that' s where you get parts of what they don' t ask for there, always good parts, that' s pretty
interesting. Hey speaking of architects, what are your five favorites, Ahorita, dead and alive Mexicans, those you want uy oy, Mira, those who have taught me the most for everything I have read about them. Corb well kan yes, luican this Barragán ok On three, this one that most have taught me lately, that did very little work, but every time I see it and analyze it more I say I cannot believe it, it cannot be
possible. You send it to Rocha and Julian Lampens. Remember that question is also as you hear, what your favorite food is, because I can tell you that I like it. Right now, not right now, whether it ' s hunger, for example, tomorrow I don' t know and in a month I don' t know. If I' m still alive, no, then you understand me You see, this metaphor is worth it Then today I think it' s those, those five that are the ones that are dying the most. Yes, for example, Corbo, Khan and Barragan.
I could tell you there are three that haven' t moved. That ' s where Juan comes out and you know who jumped like that without wanting to be the room that doesn' t move from the place. Oh, yes, odently the other day I saw for whoever has the time to do it. This is these talks on YouTube, this is the one from the March Foundation This is Luis Hernández Galeano' s talk from Coolhas And after you
see that rem ves that I think is in prime. It' s on prime, then it' s rhyme not to see first, see the other first I saw that two. First, first I need him to be your hero and then you can watch a movie where he comes out as a hero
or because this one and not well, these are a güey. As I would say to you that like all those classics that suddenly there was a revolutionary who reinvented the production, which was that of Corbo I think it was the cool one, that was the revolutionary, yes, the one who reinvented it again. Yeah, well, let' s see what' s going on, that' s great. That hears what Lucio Muñan Ahorita is doing in his office, because right now he is trying to collect. I' m
fine, I am, but we are but nothing. We are right now with one in a society with many archis that is getting very interesting in the capes, which is a hotel project with housing, with an important restaurant. This one' s really lame. I won a winemaker with Alejandro de Acosta almost a year ago he' s been walking. Yes, Silvi is a winemaker in Dolores, Hidalgo, that we are happy to make them a project that I didn' t know could come to that we are what else are
we doing? I am doing with Miguel de la Torre in film studios, what a father, who is very funny, I am with a house finishing it, two houses, finishing them in work, that I am very happy. What else we have There we are doing hotel for habitat in the center, that we are already delivering the final executive project, this other little thing. Now out there, what else am I doing. You say you already know about old man. I already have permission to open my list where it
says the things you' re doing right now. So, for example, there' s tea, too. I' m making a hell of a hotel in the window, out there in peace. Yes, a fifty- room hotel, which is spectacular. It' s all concrete, it' s all congress. Yeah, they didn' t say everything we want zero maintenance, I concrete, total gray. This one. So, that' s good. This one we' re making a house near Sergio, Monterrey, towards Saltillo. That' s where we' re making a house right
now in project. Some depas here in Rome that are behind an old house, are on six- year permits. But that is finally being done as it is now. It' s illegal and then we' re gonna be able to start the hour and I' m making a master plan in beautiful ones. Honor hears what a father, because you have a job. I ' m not gonna tell you one thing. Since before I started studying architecture, I can tell you that I have had work of not being able to sleep daily well easy. The only one, the only fight I' ve
ever had is money. That' s the fight that' s not constant. They don' t pay you, they stop paying this blablabla. And that was a mess. I mean, in this profession. You can go fart one day to New York and another day you can not pay for parking. Exactly one day you can be against Bennett. Oh, yes, yes, because you met one day because you humbly, homilously and another day I don' t have to prepare the parking lot. And believe me, it ' s the people who see that they don' t hear what you did
at the airport. Tell me about Guadalajara Uta and tell me this one and
it already makes you live in New York? No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, it' s more loan me because I don' no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, t have to take it today. But it' s not happening to me,
it happens to me then nothing happens to me. Over there, there ' s Luce today very well, very well. I' m very happy for you friend, no, thank you very much. Listen I know that you have made architecture of all the scales made and to see, but what would be the juya project of the crown for Lucia, that you say this would be the winning project for me, that it would be a goal to notice that when I read much the ecorbo, I remember that I read several
times. So his fist and handwriting or his mouth wasn' t always the most interesting project I' m doing right now. It' s what I ' m doing right now, hey, but you' ve already remodeled the socket, because my mom' s very proud, not very good. After tolzar it was. I' m fine, you feel me, yes, but that' s worth the hat. I don' t know. In the end, he hears the airport, well, it' s big, it' s good, it' s all there. Listen, the concrete
house you just finished a year ago, of course, fascinates me. But, right now, I' m finishing one in Mazatlan, for example, that well, finishing one doesn' t go I think half Ok. But now, Ahorita, I am very excited about that one, because it began to see me sprout and began to see the other experiments I did with light and with scale and with depths. So in more atlane and more Atlanta,
then it' s amazing. Not that one, but all of a sudden, yesterday we started designing Miguel and I, Miguel de la Torre, I in film studios, told him or this is the best thing I' ve ever done. And that' s the way they don' t get to you. He' s walking down there. Hey, he' s such a great dad. Hey, I' m lucky. And what I am is that I' m tired already. That is true, sung, because
it has been a break from a mother of thirty- seven years. No doubt something then I do go there I mean, I give the permission to say that I am tired, but I do not stop there is no day when I do not look for work, there is no say that it does not ask in the designs that I am doing to make them look better. There is no day well, very well motivated, very motivating. That' s amazing. I love that you come here every eight years to live here
now every eight years. I love that beams stay and radio. I hope that within eight years we will continue to talk the same. But I don ' t mean now, yes, the year that comes in you come through and if you don' t see us in two thousand thirty- two, there already for your agenda. The gene of one thousand thirty- two is not right now. Please, I love it, I love talking to you, because it' s a lot of learning and also a lot of motivation.
Not much, really. I am very grateful for your time and for you to be here with us again eight years I had to spend, but here you are, here I am, you are not, I come here you are the important thing and I would like to conclude this great talk of this occasion. What would you say to the new generations of architects who are starting to start their own office. Well, I would have liked someone to tell me that I was always afraid to put my changarro in my office,
because I was sure that I had to learn to do it first. That ' s not when I was, because I was eighty- seven, bad than bad, from eighty- seven to ninety- seven, ten years working for others or with others, because I said, because that' s going to be ten years of total learning. And yes, of course you learn, but you never learn as much as you do, that is, it ' s a trade that' s like what I always say I didn'
t get tired of saying, because it' s like the box. How to make the world' s most fucking boxer, because madrasos in the street, not at Harvard School of Boxing you also know there can teach you how to put on gloves, to buy you some bollocks, to exercise, some pretty weights, all that. But really how you learn that big shot and it' s worth the metaphor for those new generations who start doing that kind
of design to do it, to build it. There are many types of architecture and of course there was a generation, especially in the eighty- seventies eighty- nineties, because I don' t know if there was Michael Sorking, there wasn' t Leavius Woods, or there were all those who made drawings crying of the emotion that was like that kind of architecture. No, and then I' m gonna give people who did a lot of project, who never built? No, and then there were people who built a lot
and for my taste this to me. For me it is tectonic, not tectonic, that shines and is worth. I don' t know. If it has to do with the word architecture truth, then the building it, because when you go, when you see a project, then of course it can be the project in my portfolio and suddenly you see it built And of course it looks different And of course it looks different the rendering and clear that
it looks different to the façade in real dimension. And of course you see the photo of the place and you say" sonjole", because it was good for him that bad, it was bad for him, but it was left to him, because in the end it is one thing that what we do is that, is to build. It' s funny, since I was a kid, I also see the archis who do a lot of things and say children. Those artists from where they came that wonder, not güey
that is, but he' s a doctor who operates brains. No, it' s not like he' s a brain- operated bastard, because I know. Imagine me waiting for a brain, because one doesn' t live. Not this then is a production that is that in the end it
is to practice it and practice them to do it. Then what would I recommend, because try to do everything that can be given that it is a butyxcita and a little time or a little little thing, it doesn' t matter, but start there not where you start to read what it is and how it is done and what it serves and how the sun is and how the wind is and how the water is and how it is all. No, and once you start doing a lot of it, it' s already
things that slip out of you that somehow suit you. The more you do, the more you know today my fours, the lawyers, or the doctors or the ones and how you will withdraw my answer. That question is always what the fuck your job is all about, where you work. Of course I want to take you out. Güey I, the older I' m more e and the older I' m more work I' m going to have it, I know because that' s how it happened to me and you know when it' s going to come out of working in my ocina
with the legs ahead. That' s how it' s going to be, yeah, I believe him then, in the end I' m lucky enough to do or be in a profession where it' s hilarious and you remember how to say tyr Woods, you said, imagine that bastard. Nothing is played golf and earns millions of dollars and travels around the world and this mine is worth pinging every mother. Not good, yes, but that quati
also broke. The mother you and at the end of the day joy, because it comes from that not knowing that what you are doing is your favorite sport. It' s your favorite sport. Get one thing on a treadmill and I have to work out. He' s gonna shit you in two minutes, in two minutes. Yes, on the other hand, if you have a sport that you like very much with desire, of course even weight loss, of course because you do it daily and it doesn' t cost
you, then the trip. Fortunately, I fell in love with what I ' ve been doing since I was super young, because I saw that not like my guys working at the bank and I don' t know where I was seeing it. For me Sundays were no longer depressing Sundays, no longer or no longer. It' s Monday, it can' t be that you' re running away. I didn' t say blessed to God tomorrow is Monday. I' m not gonna be able to follow him anymore. Right now, everyone resting, not this part then. I feel very lucky
to have. It' s a good thing the new generations have it. But if you have it, be a fool, a need to get angry loses fool. That' s my last word I recommend to a young man being a foolish person. All right, Lucia, how nice of you to be here with us. But now it' s time for two thousand thirty - two. Well your new interview that with these two and really thank you
so much for your time and you get real pleasure. I hope to see you here very soon, not I too may have seen you here very soon, see you and be with us. You' ve been following me, please, but thank you very much, thanks to the audience. And we ' re on the final stretch of this radio season, because we' re
listening until autumn. But behind me there' s no cdy radio. He ' s leaving behind me Emiliano Bautista, who is the new radio announcer and he' s about to get to Mexican lands, so he' s already going to delight us with his voice and his knowledge of film architecture and more because his show is going to be really fun, so don' t miss it and remember that you can listen to us on all music streams. We ' re in Spotify, you love, your podcast, Ihard' s Google
Podcast, everything that ends the podcast. There we are, so there' s no one, but what' s worth to be told we don' t find you there it' s out then. Thank you very much, Lucio, thank you very much. Here' s the time. Nothing to thank. On the contrary, thank you very much. It' s really an honor to have a rockstar here to roxar. That' s what they told my mom one day. Hey, hey, Sara, what it feels like to have a rockster as a kid and said don' t look.
The Ton John is a red. I know all his songs and I don ' t like him so much. But my son is like a doctor. So yeah, either way, he' s a doctor who does well, but you know a lot of doctors, you don' t know a lot of architects. You do, but my mom doesn' t. Then don ' t get confused. I' m not a rockstar, I' m an archy who does a lot of things. Ay ay ay aha say you. Thank you very much from audience and thank you here I work or.
I invite you to come and see your Showron who is here on St Louis Potosí Street one hundred and thirteen to turn around because there are high- design furniture here. You' ve got a little twist, and then, well, I' ll say good- bye Take good care. Bye Bye,