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Hey. Good afternoon, I' m Carlen Ramirez. We are doing on a mission more than ten radio- aliseño in his ears here, in designing ando in the new season, here broadcasting from capo worked in San Luis, Potosi one hundred and thirteen in the Colonia Roma. Revenge for a tour of the showrum because it has high- design furniture, so come and take a turn. They' re probably going to look amazing in their project, in their personal project, as well as some remodeling or something, so come and

take a turn. Here I work. And I am very happy because I have a guest that I have known for a thousand years, that is, a thousand years, and the truth is that I really like this person' s visit because, apart from it was at the beginnings of Dr Radio too and I was also at the beginning of when he was independent and so today it was like the reunion and remastering of that podcast a thousand years ago. Then I would very much like to introduce Juan Carlos Flores how you are for

the Karen attempt to be here. Years since college. Yeah, since college, I' ve been very young. We' re not still young. Of course we are young, but this year I don' t, I mean, I remember that podcast too. No, and I had another mark. Uh- huh, you had another office. It was a very new adventure, also completely new in the branch. I was leaving school, I was not teaching classes and I was passing, I mean, the east pass of faith. Just like that to see what' s gonna happen. It

was completed. It was a lot, a lot of effort there at the time. I remember ten more years now. We' re gonna be eight kids a day, Radio. I think it has to be like, yes, I think eight years, because they were the first ones, they were the first you, yes, but the one we know bad, oh no yes, that we know much more. That' s already going, yes, of course, still a lot more. We' ve known each other

since college. And the truth is it' s a very important to me that you come here, because it was like seeing us at different stages and at this stage I don' t know more formal for you maybe also for me. And so keep evolving how good to see you, since following the architecture still. How good that is already with another mat, another concept, but the more formal, more evolved, you say you have evolved learning, learning and not yet yet, Yes, yet, but it is not the

same, not definitely. You see it with other eyes, not too, but I don' t see it. Hey, and first of all, I' d like to start this nice interview by asking you who it is, Juan Carlos Flores, who is it? Who is it? How you would define it, both personally and professionally, how you would define it. Hey, look, today I' m at a stage of a lot of personal knowledge, ok personal growth in projecting myself, i e knowing many parts of me that of my consciousness. Today I can tell you that for five

years or so. I am not the same as regards spirituality to forms of character because somehow I wanted to get into my history why I lived in a certain way for what, of course, a goal, a sense of life. So that' s my quest today. I am not a finished matter,

because everyone learns and everything and I go living and learning. But of course I think that today I can consider myself as someone a little bit, maybe one more recording of consciousness that today makes me enjoy more the day makes me very grateful for what I have, what I don' t have or what happens that doesn' t happen. That for me has been a way

of living very level, very free, of a lot of freedom. In that today I see the challenges, not as bad things of life, but I have in blood and you, if you' re on certain tests somehow, you' re going to try them at some point. So, right now, I' m at that stage. I feel very impassioned, very, very calm. I see problems as part of life, grief, as part of life, loss, gain. I believe that today, where I

consider this being also a human being. Many mistakes, of course, many many mistakes, many falls, fighting, fighting with a sense of life. I think that' s like today. I consider myself that way. Oh, what a father, yes, what a father, and professionally, we ' re a group. They had another mark when I started, then certain things happened. I slid and generated another brand that has constituted since seventeen, seventeen, seven, myths, seven years old, equal basically from scratch.

Everybody. Thank you for saying we' re good, but I don' t like it. This is how our clients and ok know us and the group went here and you already because we are no longer a group of architects. Also some designers have gone over here. We serve the boys of the universities, with social service, for example, courses and so on, because we basically dedicate it to everything that is architecture. You don' t ask

me for a door like a door. That' s a window. So and so I started not so we started because everyone, from themselves, from hear, arrange me here and then, yes, that is, learning. It is not clear that there is much in school, yes, there is teaching, but practice is what we think is most valuable to us. As far as the field of work is concerned, our branch is certainly extremely practical.

I mean, to do it exactly. And so we, because we generate many things, remodelings, new works, we have of reo, we do structural theme, we do a lot of structural calculation. How well we

do effort, scant remodeling, departments. Just last year we made some offices here in Rome, as well as from scratch, from the project to the entire structural executive, is tory and execution of the work ok gardenes kitchens, furniture, smithy, a lot of blacksmithing, or architectural interior project, that is, the truth is that only complete what yours hears come from everything and the truth is that it is so. No, I mean, I'

m gonna make you honest. In some beginnings they sometimes asked us for things we didn' t know and I said yes, that' s how we all are. I mean, I was saying something like that, so we ' re going to learn, use how we do it, no, and try to go, that' s if it' s reality. I mean, I' m not gonna tell you we' re not great that we ' re no, no, no, no, we' re not learning and changing, yeah, I don' t understand you perfect. We were recently caught doing a temascal in life. We had made a central theme and

how it is projected is a plane. There are plans for the ascal theme. Don' t wait for me, yeah, and they know do it Oh, yeah, of course, then it' s not like you have to jump into the arena somehow from the ports. He' s not learning on the road right now. We' re generating an executive project of a rack for is orale. The race is this is being quoted, but it ' s something we haven' t done. For example, ok is a blacksmith raght, but they want it well calculated and it' s the books

or it asks you for certain rules. Yeah, he' s in a few t' s gonna be in hospitals, and that' s regulation. The certified oratorios of the lords are certified then they are I say surely they will not hear it. People who know about it, but we have worked more on as more personal or with customers, not with many brands. Yes, we have brands as clients, but we do work more personally, ok, more independent people, families, families, girls family, big families,

to you we have passed in it. How nice your best challenges. Yes, but the recommendation is always. I believe that this is the whole compromise that we can have from the constancy of all the principles that I have learned today thanks to not knowing myself to see another kind of path that I was telling you at the beginning. I have a mentor who used to say hey to me. The target is not the target. That is you, what you have to do is observe everything you do to reach the target, because

the goal may not be clear what happens. It may be or it may happen. It may be that we have a building project and it' s just the word is project. The building is being built and the goal for me could be to finish the building. But maybe investors don' t smell anymore, maybe not. But what we try not to give up, to just make the commitment is to be every day, to be constant the love we put to things. So that bastard I see today that' s how it is to me that' s what facade is. No, of course,

this is the way we' re going. Not maybe his targets. We have not finished seeing for certain circumstances, not for us, or things that are out of your hands. So it always happens many times. So that' s what we' re trying to face. Of course he' s a father. That' s good, because it' s a very genuine thing. There are not many who say no yes, we get a

project and tell us, but something very genuine? It' s trial and error or asking for projects and maybe you' re the ones present, but sometimes it' s not done, that is, it' s a very genuine thing No, because that' s the reality. Out there, yes, then, one of the principles we have had is precisely perseverance. That is very important because if I start to count the projects that have not given me, I cannot say no, because I do not follow him better.

Let' s do a program is lesial all work another long no, I mean perish see or be my mission here is that is mine i mean my actions are the ones I looked for the client. I' m in the works, I mean, I' m in there. In fact, right now, here in the colony, strong loves, in a house. How good are we there? Right now, as an office. I did there we are, we are working there, let' s plant other projects like sales more, the one that demands the most, then we are there.

But I' m getting out of there the clients, I mean, I ' ve got to be three or four months ahead. Or that there are many issues. Yes, many understand you very much, yes, of course, yes, we are the same. I mean, we can' t counter concentrating 100% on the client we have right now, because we have to see those from the other months, because it' s not the client. It won' t be forever, you don' t have to go seeing the others that will give you the flow for the next few months.

I mean, it has to be that way, of course, and exactly. But yes, a dream, a longing is that something has already been here about whether it is still that part being much more solid, that is, before the pandemic it already had. We already have large offices, we have four and with five architect works and then we have a lot of work and, well, the pandemic. Not everyone, not everyone, it totally happened to us. No. Then I could have said there. You know

not anymore. Yeah, I mean, I give up again. Yeah, no, yeah, it' s very valid. I thought about it and it happened and I said it, I mean, follow it and look and look and look for it. So this thanks to the Universe, to God, to whoever it is comes, has always arrived, I have always arrived work like this, that' s good. I always work, there has always been to have the same, to have that a chavos in the service,

to companions, to collaborators. How good then I hear our goal before, such that all being very sincere, with the other driving was yes, money, that is, money was neither my goal. Same in life in many things, but today. Oy, today is today, it is added, Today is a means of these principles that today we try to integrate our ay which father I like very much and good that you are very genuine in that I give many tastes hear. And how you got into architecture, because

you' re the chicken. Yeah, I' m a politeria, ay, forgive me. Forgive the truth, please, how you go or technical, how you went into it. My sister that quiitenta, ok she works the winter and she takes me nine years, nine years, Oko, I was already studying and I was going to use you, prepare prepaja and this and see how she draws very well, very good cartoonist. He learned from those accredited to talk about him. We have one in common. He learned

from him. It draws very well. I go to his drawings, his blueprints, he was in his distillers. And that started as calling it ok to call it theme. I' ve already entered the polytechnic, I' ve done or my prepa in occasional eleven where it' s not that it was technical options and that' s where I started to see the plans. But it was also very casual on that one day, in that technical career. Then my sister inspired me and then I got in there or the technical

career. And from there, because I already had decided very well what was going to be there in the top of the architecture. Ah very much in what father? And there and then came a lot of engineering that' s why I' ve had a lot of cultural calculations. Also a lie in that is father, because we don' t like it too. But I began to see architecture differently when I started teaching. Okay, I don' t know if you can sort of, uh, vaguely there. Well,

I got to work there to teach at the architect. It' s the smoker. Ay we send a greeting to Sergio Ahá, in fact, made right now and then I saw another kind of bouquet, so to speak, something else in architecture, that is more humanistic. The color is light, I mean pain, the Polly. For me it' s in my house, not sure, but seeing this kind of humanities I didn' t see anyone and I don' t know why it was me for school. But, well, I didn' t have this kind of wave of design expression

concepts and I didn' t know them. Sure. In fact, I was generating my social service in a company of structure and smithy, that is, of pure engineering. Okay, and every once in a while, we were making a little egg and they were asking me for things, but no. When I went into that school, he started to know the design part and that' s where I don' t know. Yeah, I mash all this up for you, okay in sketches or perspectives, or all that started calling me, but I don' t know if it happened to you.

But it' s like from the inside you know as if, like he calls you and I said this is my thing, uh- huh Like you find out. Suddenly, you don' t enjoy it much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I' ve had my best. Then, Father. There it was, as well, I fell into these, in these social networks on the dark side, hear what father or father and how good that you, because it is Sergio, a great professor that I remember very much in the University, that nothing more a greeting.

This one, for they have led you to this. No, and you ' re not teaching anymore. No, not anymore, right now, there ' s already been a year or so that I don' t understand anymore. I also got caught up in the activities. Yes, yes, yes, of course, then this is the light. I' d like you to know which one of my friends is, and it' s like being already old- fashioned, grumpy little clard is that that' s where I ' d like to end up teaching. So he' s really cute eating,

that is, more than class. It' s a lot to share. Yeah, is that a lot to share? The truth is that I never imagined that I would also teach at some point, and the truth is that I do enjoy it very much. It' s a lot to teach, to lead your way, not to keep it, and to be able to share it with the new generations who are now incredibly alive with all the technology they already have at hand, and to learn exactly, you also learn a lot from them, not yes, yes, and the truth is.

Now I do understand that part that didn' t understand you anymore but me, that' s why I was stuck there. Yeah, yeah, sure, I mean, something came up in me that I don' t, this part of the Internet that you can' t do the generous part of me is it' s da is, I mean, what I have I can give it without waiting for happiness change, good class check. I don ' t mean, I swear to you, I didn' t realize when

I was depositing in the last few years, when I mean. The truth is, if it wasn' t me, it was me We took advantage of it I was yes, I was talking about selfishness and learning as much as father. I' m very happy about it and the master' s degree isn' t, but it is. I like it very much,

how good not and aside, you enjoyed teaching. The truth because you do say you feel when a teacher is imparting his patience to you, you know you feel because then you already feel those who don' t and nothing else present themselves and give the class to give it and not when they are really sharing something that they do know, that they do specialize and that you like. I mean, they' re looking for you to learn the same way

as the one who' s teaching you. You don' t feel that, and I felt that with you It' s really weird, because in every house it' s that good. That' s good to say marks here, of course, of course. So I used to teach compu lessons at the beginning, that is, then. But then I got more into it and suddenly I waved a client who would brew from a bar a little bit. So I was supporting, doing some breweries. In fact, right now he' s still, I mean, one of the clients still ay

what father, what comes, tes structures and various things. And they put me in the restaurants, I mean, I started to see what' s up with the restaurants. So in what semester out of that career such restaurants and I asked you then I went like to the wall, very well, I went like in the play and with this client and went like marching munching tied. He' s a father. And the human part, of the design part, the part of the concept that I had learning there in Nite

was that I stained it with the work. There' s no father, because you learn. I think it' s more enriching. Not like that, then I started generating that with the kids and they took me to the brewery and I didn' t take myself to the wax. We' re here You' re trying to do more. Sure time or there was the ogre. I' m not worth this polar. There is a father, who comes, because that is what university students need, that is, university

architects or designers who are taken to the works. I' m very supportive of that. I ask you for twenty years of experience. Yeah, everybody, she went out 18 and she was 1 0 years old Well, she gave me a girl and she' s gonna come in. What a father I sent him a rajis plan right now, but by the way, because he has to learn aha somehow. What a father I really like about that.

And yes, I mean, I can say and to the notary public that he was very good teacher he hears and what encouraged you to do the same thing, that is from the first time, that is, what he told you I don' t want to work in office. I want to get into it by myself. Well, I don' t know at the time I already had partners, but I' m already doing the same thing how slow a lot of things, that is, so much internal, I don' t know, I' m very anxious I' m people. I can' t sit. I mean, I put myself in an office

in four pairs a few years old. When I did my social service, they hire me and I stay to work. There' s, like, four years. You aha then is that I tell you my goal before is that it is very different from my being family money. Then I focused there.

But I wasn' t making you happy. I mean, the reality is, I don' t know if it' s past, but you ' re on the face or you' re with someone and there' s something that tells you that it' s not, I mean, it' s not filling you, it' s not going to, it' s going to come out for more than no. And all of a sudden he sent me a play and there he went and I liked to be in a lot of play and solve and everything. But as time went by, I realized not the Javiers. At the time he was my partner, my society.

This one tells me he hears why you don' t put something. You' re very good. I also have one called Raúl, who had a company in front of the conceptual and raul stage. He put the same surprise and he motivated me a lot he what happens he, right now, is going very well today, that is, it comes very well. So he put his company just as low and then he would tell me to watch if you throw yourself and I don' t know what. Then, but there came a point where he' s already bursting. B already burst into

a place like Robot. Yeah, you' re doing exactly. It has nothing to do with the company, it would have to do with me. Aha then I can take a step from the void of faith to faith. Yeah, it makes a black ravine that you don' t know how deep it is and say already with my liquidation at that time. So, after we started with his tualica and it was so good, so, then there were seasons. It wasn' t too complicated for them. We had little

omara or we have nothing clear. Of course, then, yes, the economic issue, because it is a necessity, is a means, of course. But what I tell you they persevere. He went there, I mean, I don' t want something of my own. Also good, very good, something that was created. Yeah, you think so, I' m not here right now, I' m not hearing hours at 9: 00. No, I mean I can' t, I mean the most valuable thing I have today on my mark of what I do, regardless of

freedom. Yeah, of course it' s the freedom of your time, in my time. I mean it' s no longer worth it or it ' s more really what' s best if I do a lot of doing, I saw a conversation where they were just talking about the schedule jobs and

all that and humanly we do about this schedule is to exercise. This schedule, it' s to eat this schedule is to work this and we divide it all into schedules and if we don' t do it, we do it either way, you feel like you don' t deserve to have a break, you know, but really if you see it as it is, we only have time. When you do, it' s up to you, but it' s only time. If you want more time for yourself less time to work, it' s up to you. It' s

okay, but it' s time. And having that freedom to handle your convenience, your time, is the best that a human can be, the truth. Being very honest about that, right now you mentioned it, I said yes, it is. Yes, it' s very valid of the most important things to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the money. I' m more interested in time and suddenly, the name of others.

So, I' m going to blah blah and suddenly I' m going to gymnasium or I' m going to see dads or I' m going around for a few nights, I' m going to my spiritual work and I' m ready. I mean, that' s what he gets. It' s a lot. That' s what' s dying of you, of course, because I have I swear I couldn' t be this. There' s no o or in a work of certain times, i e, all day and no, i mean, I have to be in this river down, looking for customers or throwing flyers. I' m moving

on to the works. Then I go gey Güey in my car, suddenly a play stops I give a card doing like this. That' s good. This neck is purposeful, yes, yes, yes, if not, I feel waiting for the universe God sends me badly. He' s a client. No, no, no, no, no, it' s about making it happen, obviously, because I' m also not very clear about it. We' ve had mistakes, we' ve also had complicated

works like everyone else. And but good is that the percentage of you recommending us, because I was more on this side of the things that end. Well, we do well, I like it well, how cute, what a father hears, what your office is doing, Ahorita, because I see you in the works and I see you in the works. Yeah, I ' m coming right now, having this my partner come in sick, ah ok, but well, we have in the Wiene Harroll Greetings. We' re in a house, in a house on Portals. I' m going

to reinforce a building to the tano for Aragon, okay. I' m strengthening a building in Naples. We' re in a malan, an apartment in San Pedro, in the Pines. What a father we' re going into a whole modeling house. This huge is a five hundred meters in aka colesteraste ok we have not seven selections sorry, but out there, it'

s over there. We' re doing structural project Right now to make a neighborhood series raise some of those boques too that they have a little bit to ok We' re doing their structural project for a house room that we' re going to start from first production and the twenty we' re going in from now we' re going to put in Hebrew, we' re going to reinforce or do a lot of things ok right now in a lot of structural project and everything that I tell you last week, because we' re

a cancel of a client, so we get cancers for their game. Of course we do, yes, then we have very good suppliers. Oh, we' re making a glowack rookhwar right now that you call me good sentin I don' t know what sloppy hooves. It' s not chido, but yes, yes, it' s very cha. Yeah, that' s good. I' m so glad what a father, it' s

so good that you have so much work. I remember you were also doing things for Cinépolis, as well as a thousand x Yes, we started going honceptual and we grew this, but well not the first ones, but they were initial generations of automatic lockers. Uh- huh That' s how we did it, sweets, big clients is. That we worked all last year, two years ago a net group made them all structural. We were also going to dictate their properties. Ok with the fox, also working with Nike.

Here our biggest customers To them we are not direct, but we are only, i e the same you. It is also structural chapters. We did the Mike Woman House Terrace here in here or the law hour they come. This I mean group four that is sure, it would be neighborhood. They, too, with St Paul' s never, also speak a lot of structure. Hey, he' s not too moved. Chiquisis then there

are seasons. Sometimes there are customers like this so you can call us sometimes from here months ago, but there they release us a year and so and so you alone and the others how well or they are Boris to be left for Liverpool in those tremendous moments that well, hey, it is very cool and that is, They are very good precites, things, very well,

of course, but that is father. You open up both your possibilities of work and your knowledge, you open up so much the gap that things come out of everything and what you have right now, and that' s so lame, that you lend yourself for everything even to put a cancel. I ' m not going to refuse that and yes, that' s the way

it must be. No I' m not that how cool or cool, super cool hears, how is your design process that from when a project comes to you until it ends as it is that project development, well, your process depends a lot on the client, of course, it depends on what I want within this stage where I met the design, uncle that I started to get more into the human part, more send in all this wave. So, what blows me up is going to my respirator, but and drawing

by hand. No yes, for example, the house. Let' s remove it, that is, put your hand, start painting it, start generating ideas, from values, expressions, because that' s the concept. The concept for us is since I learned it with moral praise. It' s not an expression of feelings, of emotions, if it' s something that obviously doesn' t ask the client, look at what style you like, how it goes. No. So they give us the parts, for

telling you about five words, but the main ones. And from there we begin to develop concept in colors, lighting, real estate, so that you can give this concept in what they seek. Sure and so that' s the part as more than I call myself I' m very much with a cigarette, with nice music and there a coffee and I' m there and this is what music you listen to right now is my time. He' s a father. For me it' s this father. What kind of

music you listen to when you' re in that process. Yes, I swear to you, the Beatles don' t yes, they don' t lack, they don' t lack the interpul beils Who knows why that much yes the music that or which father. That' s your moment. That ' s just what I like to share with this question, because, for example,Álvaro Ocisa, before starting a project, puts his whole team to listen to the butles and then it' s like seeing what he' s

going to be father. That' s part of the process to have your moment of music, cigarette and you' re going to break up the project until you get an unclear idea. He' s a father. Yeah, obviously, you' re in the business of design furniture, houses, department office sounds. So, when we have a structural project, because it is a mechanic, is this yes? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yes, design is general, all the more plans we

have firmness. We have little responsibility for structural facilities, all- licence gesturing. So he pretty much drives what is more engineering. Ok there' s father, yes, that' s already as more, as you say, more mechanic, because already then in a house, in an apartment, some

cinas or something that has to do more condinutos aha ha. The process is much more different and I say there we go more humane, there we go more to what I am working with, but even to be generous in the project, that nothing more with the subject of projects, but with the people, with the companions. All this trying to impregnate what I am learning today is very good. That' s good, I' m very happy to hear and right now, what the project would be. Yeah, that you

' d like me to come to your office. What do you say, this is the crown jewel and I would very much like it to come to my office. What your ideal project would be. It would be a commercial square, a museum, a museum, a building of lack of distal ah yes, yes, yes, but I mean to do it from scratch? Okay, so I know the whole project, ringitive projects, you were so cultured lifting steel out of the fence. It' s what I don'

t touch anymore. We don' t go a few stairs there for a little bit aha me of nin in the village aha of snail with metals. Oh, that' s nice, that' s nice, and that' s what they' re not. Call then that kind of projects you create is. For me it would be a very scratchy game, so it' s a museum very strong, something very went Sounds good, sounds great. That hears what your five architects are that most appeal to your favorites, the Mexican favorites, all of them. I am very, very, very contemporary,

very national. You say yes you like this Barragán and you remember I took them to the house. Yes, there, either, it just went with Sergio and the color the light oh yes. Not all this to me, of which is my favorite, but of ok the number one, number ok if I don' t try to copy his style, but I rely a lot on all that he does is the depth that has light and color.

All that to me I get, cho, understand a lot, I get a lot in all the ales of Leon with the victory I tell you everything I' ve been jitando s more that it' s barragan there I said barragar yes, this what else, since I smoke from outside poster saja, where are all those who follow much other net, the gorrita, the dad Güey, the son to dad Let' s win the whole lot, that is, all that stage of that Mexican protection. He called me I would have wanted to be in that back then doing you know and apart.

If I am, I mean, music from the' 70s, why I wasn' t young it made me feel like that Sometimes I feel, I mean, I really like everything in the back, nothing happens to me. All that, yes, it happens to me for my oret, but it ronde that, that is, all that architecture for me, because it is very human. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, functional, already thinking about who' s gonna use it. It does benefit everything, but it means. That' s what he calls me. No, I

mean, I' m already friar gary with these things. It' s father, I like you, but you don' t see yourself or doing the ok so I' m a translator there seen very holy colors, so that' s what I call myself rather very well. It' s this dad Hey, it' s amazing. Being able to see you grow, I mean, for eight years I' ve been interviewing you here to see that evolution is amazing. Really. I' m glad you' re moving forward. Some things happened, other things, no, but you keep moving

forward. You haven' t stood still and I' m very happy about

that. And so that you continue in the architecture and that I keep calling you, because to continue in this field, not that sometimes it is very difficult, sometimes not so much, but that good I am very happy for that to have you again here and obviously, to update that podcast, because it was already worthy of that, that is, it was yes or yes, and when I saw that you were in work and I said I have to call it because already I have to remaster that interview, because besides time

you are alone that is okay? Sure, yes or your partners yes, I mean I just can' t anymore, obviously you don' t have a team, but the leader is you, not having a good time? All right, that' s good. Listen now to finish this big interview, second interview with you that I hope will no longer be the last one and have to spend eight years, please, like the Olympics, we owe

in every four years. No, no, no, no, please, so that you keep telling me about your projects, because aside, you do a lot of things and everything, so that you keep telling me, so that you keep updating this to me and not that it takes eight years. Please, I' d like you to say something to the offices in the end. Well, architects who are about to open their own office or who are already starting their own office. What would you tell them they' re

making the same jump you made a few years ago? What would you tell them that fear is the main barrier. That' s one of the main relationships well that can make a leap into faith. I' ve heard that faith is your leap to the dark black precipice. You don' t know what' s gonna happen. You don' t know Hey, right now, we' re counting. I' m still more than ten years old. It' s a quality book of reasons that' s good. The reality is that yes and a lot were very afraid. That' s not

gonna be it. There won' t be. I don' t think I knew it now, but for me to give that exact one I heard something going on inside me. So there' s something called clear intuition and it tells you there' s a part that says no, you' re going to be able to the part that tells you then, are you going then? As we gave that more courage, I mean, I' d tell them they' re not alone, that would tell them it' s

not just against the world. There' s a lot out there, you have to attack and you have to live and try, there' s a mistake in falling singing and they raise, that is, perseverance, a lot of perseverance, that is, that' s what I could tell them to keep looking at their heart, their spirit, their soul, that' s it. That' s the biggest engine, not the money, I don ' t know the famous one, not any of it. The interior, the free, the freedom can be clear to them. That' s what

I could tell you. All right, Juan Carlos Mil, thank you for being here. Really. I hope it won' t be eight years before you come back to be no Okllati, it' s good to have you. Thank you very much for your time and, please, not a year. It' s gonna happen, you' re gonna see, see, see if it' s true, with you sorry. Thank you so much for being here, thanks to the audience. I invite you to listen to the other podcasts that are already on music streams on everyone can find us in

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