Kayla 0:12
From pyramids to Trinities to the spiritual realm being found within the three sided shape, we've sprinkled in mentions of today's topic in previous episodes, but nay have we ever given it the spotlight it so deserves. So today, let's talk about triangles. Yes, while triangles are typically symbolic of harmony, balance and enlightenment, the triangles of today's topic could be seen as the antithesis. Riddled with chaos and mystery, we bring you the Bermuda and Alaska triangle. So to start, I'll be talking about the one that I have heard chatter about through my lifetime. And that is the Bermuda Triangle. Have you heard like, I'm sure you've heard of the Bermuda triangle but have you found any information about it through your years?
Karina 1:02
I feel like I remember watching some episodes on it or like conspiracy theory shows on it. But I honestly don't remember very much other than like things disappear there.
Kayla 1:12
Yeah, same. And I definitely remember as a kid watching some weird Discovery Channel or History Channel special about it. And I remember my dad telling me, this is real, because he was always into that kind of stuff, but that's about as far as that went. So it was an interesting adventure for me. And I hope it's an interesting adventure for you too.
Karina 1:30
I'm very excited.
Kayla 1:32
So it's also known as the devil's triangle, which honestly, I'm not sure why that isn't the more common name.
Karina 1:38
That's a cooler name.
Kayla 1:40
Yeah. Okay, we get it, we know it's off the coast of Bermuda. But Devil's triangle. Much more ominous.
Karina 1:47
Yeah. And I feel like it fits the bill from what little I remember of this. So
Kayla 1:51
it does as a matter of fact,
Karina 1:54
we should be in charge of naming things
Kayla 1:56
we should be. Do you know that one guy that was in charge of writing every single fortune for Fortune Cookie?
Karina 1:59
Yes.
Kayla 2:01
He died.
Karina 2:02
Is this our job now? Is that what we should do?
Kayla 2:06
Yeah, okay, so I'm basically saying we could be the fortune cookies of naming things.
Karina 2:08
Okay. I'm in.
Kayla 2:10
Well, anyways, to Devil's triangle, aka Bermuda Triangle. It is a 500,000 square mile area and the Atlantic Ocean loosely found between Miami, Bermuda and Puerto Rico, that is associated with an unusual amount of aircraft and ship disappearances.
Karina 2:31
That's a big area.
Kayla 2:35
Yeah, it is. This is first brought to the public eye, the idea of disappearances happening in his area in the Atlantic Ocean, on September 19 1950, when Edward Van Winkle Jones - wonderful name - of the Miami Herald published an article titled, Sea's Puzzles Still Baffle Men in Push Button Age. This article opens with an eerie reminder for us all in which Van Winkle Jones writes, "it's a small world. No, it's still the same vast globe the ancients knew with the same Misty Limbo if the lost."
Karina 3:09
that - I'm sold - is tantalizing.
Kayla 3:13
You got one thing right there. This is a misty limbo. The author would go on to discuss 11 Major aircraft and ship disappearances that occurred in the Bermuda Triangle area between 1945 and 1949. With the headcount of those lost to the sea being 135 People from those 11 aircrafts
Karina 3:38
holy cow
Kayla 3:39
I mean, that's a pretty good, pretty good chunk of people for four years. One such occurrence that he mentioned in this article was that of five torpedo planes who left Fort Lauderdale, Florida on December 5 1945, for navigational training over the Atlantic Ocean. The flight leader of this group had approximately 2500 flying hours while the trainee pilots had an average of 300 flying hours each. So they're really not novices, they've been flying over this area for a good amount of hours. The weather for that day, December 5, when they took off for these training exercises was described as favorable, sea state moderate to rough. That seems like conflicting information to me. But that's what we have!
Karina 4:26
moderate to rough. Yeah, that sounds okay.
Kayla 4:29
They favor moderate to rough. At approximately 3:20pm - This was in military time and this article I was reading so I converted it for my own sake. 3:20pm just over an hour into their training mission, a transmission was received from flight Leader Charles Carroll Taylor. You know this man?
Karina 4:56
I do. You do? It was on an episode that I was listening to of Supernatural.
Kayla 5:03
Whoa. You might know the story.
Karina 5:07
but for some reason I didn't realize it was the Bermuda Triangle.
Kayla 5:10
Well your pal Charles Carroll Taylor told the radio controller that both of his compasses went out and they can't find their way back to Fort Lauderdale. Flight leader Taylor was then heard saying, allegedly, we are entering Whitewater. Nothing seems right. We don't know where we are. The water is green. No, it's white! That's a panicked man if I ever heard one.
Karina 5:36
Those are two different colors. How can you get them confused? Sir?
Kayla 5:39
It's changing before his eyes. He's spooked
Karina 5:42
I'd be spooked too
Kayla 5:45
I would too, especially if I was a man, not just a man, if I was a man who flew 2500 hours over this same area, and then you're lost? Yeah, I don't know. I feel like that's suspect in itself. Like you should know what you're doing. You could see land from where you're flying, you should know.
Karina 6:06
I don't know I can't navigate streets so
Kayla 6:10
Well, luckily, you don't navigate streets as a profession. So then the man would lead his team, what is estimated to be 230 miles into the Atlantic Ocean as he was trying to find Fort Lauderdale. The five torpedo planes who would become known as flight 19 are never seen or heard from again. When the aircrafts never returned, and it was well past the timeframe their gas would allow them to fly, a rescue aircraft was dispatched to locate the missing planes. The aircraft departed at about 6pm and sent a routine radio message at 7:30pm. It was also never heard from again, not only did the torpedo planes disappear, but their rescue plane also disappeared. And after a week of searching for the now six missing aircrafts, the official report published by the Navy declared it was quote, "as if they had flown to Mars".
Karina 7:11
How, okay,
Kayla 7:15
which is very professional and technical way of saying they disappeared.
Karina 7:21
What a weird analogy.
Kayla 7:24
And also, you shouldn't put that in an official report I don't feel like. I don't think that's appropriate.
Karina 7:30
I know a little bit about documentation. And I don't think that that's accurate. But okay,
Kayla 7:35
that would not fly. They definitely need to take progressive discipline.
Karina 7:41
I should teach them.
Kayla 7:45
Yeah, you should. Well, this disappearance
would be written about for years to come, eventually leading to the 1964 magazine article that officially coined the area in the Atlantic Ocean the Bermuda Triangle. So at this point, he was just like, there's this mysterious thing going on in this section of the world. And I sent a picture to you actually via email, that is the map that was drawn for that 1950 article that shows like question mark, disappearance question. And it kind of like makes a triangle. So that's where that comes from. Now this isn't to say disappearances in this area started in 1949, with these five torpedo planes, but this is certainly when it began to be sensationalized. Okay to take this back further than the sensation itself. Christopher Columbus, bad villain, even documented strange occurrences in this area where he reported a great flame of fire plummeted into the ocean steps one night, and that an unexplained light would later appear in the same waters during the dead of night a few weeks later, which let's be honest, probably a meteor. Jeez, Christopher
Karina 8:55
if he wasn't lying about it, but okay.
Kayla 8:58
Yeah, what else he lying about? Everything? Is the answer.
Karina 9:03
I see who we were picking on this episode to hate on. Christopher. That's okay. He deserves it.
Kayla 9:17
Yeah, he does, actually. And similar to the leader of flight 19, bad guy Columbus spoke of his compasses also malfunctioning. So this is a common theme for the majority of the stories of disappearances happening in the Bermuda triangle is that you're having technical either compasses or GPS malfunctioning in that area. It is even said that this area of ocean is the inspiration for Shakespeare's The Tempest, which is a coming of age story about a crashing ship and a mysterious island. It's not a coming of age story, but I find things sound more interesting when you label it that way.
Karina 9:55
Oh, hold on when was that written?
Kayla 9:58
That's a really good question. Oh, it says it was probably written in 1610 to 1611. Okay. And it's thought to be one of the last plays that Shakespeare wrote alone.
Karina 10:08
Did he write it though?
Kayla 10:12
No. He plagiarized.
Karina 10:19
Atta boy. Just kidding. plagiarisms not good.
Kayla 10:23
yeah, so that is inspiration for his writing. So they say. And among the disappearance of flight 19, there have been an estimated 50 ships gone missing and 20 airplanes, many of those that disappeared never transmitted a distress signal and wreckage was rarely found. Which I wonder in comparison to how many shipwrecks there are, overall, how many of them are recovered, or at least found remnants of you know
Karina 10:50
I wonder to like, how many shipwrecks send distress signals like Do you have time to do that? I guess it would depend on how quickly stuff goes down
Kayla 10:59
yeah, because if you think about our episode about the Titanic, they are going down for five hours or something like that, you know?
Karina 11:06
So you've got time. Hmm. Interesting.
Kayla 11:10
This one's more weird to me that even some ships are discovered abandoned, but entirely undamaged. So there's no reason for them. No obvious reason for why they would abandon the ship like an entire crew for a massive ship is just gone.
Karina 11:21
That's creepier to me.
Kayla 11:25
To me too. Definitely. And over the course of the last 100 years, it is estimated over 1000 people have been lost to the Bermuda Triangle.
Karina 11:33
over how many years
Kayla 11:39
100. A whole 10 a year. That's child's numbers. Come on Bermuda triangle you can do better. Just kidding comp. Keep those numbers down. I don't want that for people I guess. But what's going on? Why is this happening? I'm obviously going to first start with some more unorthodox theories. But don't worry, Karina, I have some scientific, One theory comes to us from biologist Ivan T. Sanderson, do you recognize that name?
Karina 12:14
No.
Kayla 12:16
He's the founder of cryptozoology.
Karina 12:19
I should know that name.
Kayla 12:22
Yeah, he's featuring again. This fine gentleman was known to go on many expeditions, always documenting the world around him with a particular fascination in mysterious occurrences. Through these expeditions and corresponding documentation, Ivan began to notice a pattern where these strange phenomena he documented would occur in consistent areas over and over and over again. So he decided to look into it further, and identified 12 areas that he would see these consistent phenomena happening. And he labeled these places vile vortices. Which sounds kind of like a name of a series of unfortunate events book
Karina 13:04
It does. I don't know why it's very intriguing to me, I want to know.
Kayla 13:09
sounds neat. Well, let me tell you more. Five of these vortices are located along the Tropic of Capricorn, five of them are along the Tropic of Cancer, and one each in the north and south pole. This means all but two of them are located near warm tropical climates. So I feel like there has to be something scientific about that. One particular note of interest are these vortices are evenly spread out across the globe, suggesting a pattern to the chaos. So the neighboring vortex to one of the other is the same distance as the next vortex. Which is kind of weird to me.
Karina 13:48
And these are legit vortices like not us just trying to find order in things?
Kayla 13:54
They are legit areas that show anomaly so like disappearances happening more frequently in those areas, or unexplained events happening in those areas. So this is something known, but nobody really knows why they exist. We just know that they are. Sanderson and his pals throw around various theories of why this could be ranging from electromagnetic phenomena to wormholes leading to alternate dimensions.
Karina 14:21
That's your favorite theory, isn't it?
Kayla 14:26
No, actually, my favorite theory is next. And it has to do with Atlantis. Like, whoa, I almost picked a different topic actually. Called the dragon triangle over off the coast of Japan. Then I saw Atlantis and I'm like well, you have to do that, obviously, and I just did an episode about Japan so it just felt right.
Karina 14:51
Alchemy Atlantis, hmm. There's one more.
Kayla 14:53
Alternate dimensions
Karina 14:55
The three A's for Kayla
Kayla 14:58
Are those all A's… Atlantis… Oh, whoa, I'm like the Energizer Bunny, that's awesome. Yes. So let's talk about Atlantis. If we believe Plato, and that Atlantis existed just beyond the Pillars of Hercules, two rocks marking the entrance to the Straits of Gibraltar, the Bermuda Triangle is wildly outside the area that Plato is saying that Atlantis existed. But let's be honest, Plato got a lot of things wrong. Not his fault. He is working with the information he had for the time. But who says he didn't get this wrong.
Karina 15:22
Yeah.
Kayla 15:26
Yeah, for the sake of entertainment. We're gonna go ahead and be like, alright, conspiracy theorists. Plato is wrong. Let'stalk about this further. So as I would gather the majority of people in the world know Atlantis, as lore goes, was submerged underwater. In this instance, it was pulled under water by none other than the Bermuda triangles powers. Sunk. But since its demise, the ones booming metropolis's advanced technology has been aiding in the chaos of the Bermuda Triangle, because it's essentially interfering with our compasses and GPS. So it's actually Atlantis' fault that we're having those issues.
Karina 16:31
I really like this theory. It's kind of a cool idea.
Kayla 16:35
If anything, it's a cool story. Like, wow, humans are so creative, at least, but now it gets to the good stuff. Famous sleeping Prophet, Edgar Casey, claimed the island of Bimini near the Bahamas was one of the mountaintops of ancient Atlantis. Now, from a lens of modern geography, that really makes zero sense because Bimini Island is flat. However, 12,000 years ago, Bimini and Andros Island were one landmass and it is said that they did have a mountain at that time before the two islands separated.
Karina 17:13
Oh, okay.
Kayla 17:15
And according to Casey our sleeping profit here, there existed a mountain then but it sunk in 10,000 BC when the islands separated. Now, in 1934, Casey would predict proof of Atlantis would be found in the year 1968 or 1969, near the coast of Bimini where he believes Atlantis existed. So fast forward to 1968 a little thing called Bimini Road was discovered off the coast of North Bimini. It is a half mile long underwater road they found consisting of rectangular limestone blocks. Now some scientists believe this might be a natural rock formation, but others do argue that this is manmade. Regardless, that's kind of eerie.
Karina 17:55
That's crazy.
Kayla 18:01
Yeah. What are the chances?
Karina 18:07
Oh, my God, okay, I like this.
Kayla 18:09
So is it proof of Atlantis after all?
Karina 18:11
Yes,
Kayla 18:12
I think so. But I also know we have skeptics out there. For Devil's advocacy sake, is it actually possible that an advanced civilization would exist in this area of the world 10,000 years ago, when any record that we have of civilization currently in the area dates back no later than 7000 years ago?
Karina 18:34
Why isn't it possible, though?
Kayla 18:36
Exactly. Because first statement I want to make back then all settlements happened near the watee, who's to say that land didn't fall into the ocean and all the proof of those civilizations are underwater, right? We don't know what's underwater. Really. That's one point. But let me also tell you about a little something called the Cuban underwater formation. And for those of you that don't know geography, Cuba is right next to that Bermuda Triangle.
Karina 19:07
I love it. Thank you, some of us are geographically challenged.
Kayla 19:10
I had to look at a map. So discovered in 2001, the Cuban underwater formation was found 2000 feet underwater, and is approximately 1.5 square miles big. It is a series of geometric stone structures resembling a city center. And among it, they found pyramids made of granite.
Karina 19:37
What?
Kayla 19:38
Yeah, now this is very unusual because geologists and oceanographers estimate it would take 50,000 years for structures like this to sink to the bottom of the ocean. And none of human civilizations living that long ago, 50,000 years ago, were advanced enough to build these structures. So not only is this place out of place, it's out of time to what we know about the existence of civilization in this area.
Karina 20:04
I have no idea what to say right now. I have Oh my god.
Kayla 20:06
It's wild. Right?
Karina 20:10
Insane. Yeah, you just blew my mind.
Kayla 20:18
You're welcome. Speaking of blue, let's talk about Blue Holes.
Karina 20:23
Kayla loves her holes.
Kayla 20:26
These are real holes that exist in the ocean. Okay, and this is the next fantastical theory that we're going to discuss before we get into scientific theories. So this specific theory is based around blue holes that really do exist in the ocean. And they're basically these big ass holes. They're like voids, they found one in the Bermuda Triangle that was 697 feet deep. So they're like, massive pits of just like nothing.
Karina 21:03
What, huh?
Kayla 21:01
And there's like very little life that can live down there. Besides, what they could see is bacteria and plankton, smaller life forms like that. But there's also in the Bermuda Triangle area, they found giant squids. And one was found washed up on the shores of Florida measuring 30 feet and 200 pounds.
Karina 21:23
That's a pretty big squid boy.
Kayla 21:27
Now, this is where the lore comes into play for this theory. The thought is if that size of a squid is making it to land what size squid is not
Karina 21:35
well, now I never want to swim in the ocean.
Kayla 21:37
Big 200 foot squid, they're not gonna hurt you. They might just like toss you around a little bit in their tentacles.
Karina 21:44
Excellent, fun.
Kayla 21:47
Or maybe they live in these blue holes. And the reason that blue holes exist is because they're making little caverns for themselves to live in. And pulling ships and planes into the blue holes never to be seen again. For a tasty little treat.
Karina 22:03
For a little snacky sick.
Kayla 22:04
Yeah. I mean, if you're that big of a squid, you probably have to eat a lot.
Karina 22:09
Probably, but how come no one's seen them?
Kayla 22:13
Because also, in this area, which we'll talk about in the scientific theories, is methane gas. Okay, I'm skipping down to this now because that's the end of that theory. It just kind of just a side quest. We all know the Atlantis one is the most damning
Karina 22:30
obviously, that's the only real one but okay.
Kayla 22:33
But methane gas. And this is actually probably the more popular theory among those that consider themselves scientists
Karina 22:44
I've never seen so much disdain in your face.
Kayla 22:50
I'm gonna be honest, I like scientists a lot. I just don't like that they don't trust about Atlantis. So the methane gas theory. Essentially there is an abnormal amount of methane that gathers on the continental shelves. And when this methane bubbles to the surface via methane eruptions known as Mud Volcanoes, it can sink a ship because it interrupts the ship's buoyancy. It also creates a mist on top of the water, which would shrouded the tentacles of a giant squid.
Karina 23:14
Okay. Obviously,
Kayla 23:18
but I don't really like this theory, because I don't think it explains aircrafts, because it's not like a plane in the sky is going to be impacted by an eruption of methane in the water. And also, which is even better evidence of this not being accurate. The United States Geological Survey has stated no methane explosions have occurred in the Bermuda Triangle for the past 15,000 years. Oh, oh, God, maybe this sunk Atlantis 15,000 years ago.
Karina 23:54
You might have a point here. Huh. Take that scientist.
Kayla 24:01
Yeah, I figured this out in like five minutes. And you haven't even gotten to this conclusion yet? Come on. Okay, we'll talk about two other science theories for you. The first one is magnetic variations. So there are very few places on Earth where magnetic north aka compass north and geographic north, aka true north are exactly the same. At one point in time, one of these places was the Bermuda Triangle. Essentially, this means you would not need to take into consideration the magnetic changes since both Norths are aligned usually people when they're navigating the seas, they have to understand how the magnetic pole works and adjust their compass accordingly because otherwise they're going to follow what their compass says is north but it's not true north. Although this has been something known for centuries, an argument is novice pilots and captains may not be privy to this and would follow the compass believing it aligns with true north. Shouldn't that be in course 101 if we've known this for centuries
Karina 25:13
But here's the catch about this one too. I'm debunking science left and right
Karina 25:17
You're on a roll.
Kayla 25:21
Here it is. At one point, it did go through the Bermuda triangle that is accurate, but it no longer goes to the Bermuda Triangle because the magnetism changes. It's called the agonic line. And it now runs through the Gulf of Mexico and no longer the Bermuda Triangle.
Karina 25:37
How did it move?
Kayla 25:41
Nature?
Karina 25:44
That's crazy. Okay.
Kayla 25:47
Yeah. So that's the misconception. And also, I have an issue with this, like I do with most of these theories is I understand that natural disasters can happen. I know that some people may be sucky at sailing, and maybe they did get lost. And they're like, well, I'm in the middle of nowhere, and I'm outta gas or out of food, and I'm just going to die here. Okay. But you're telling me that no other ship would run across them? Ever? Not even find wreckage?
Karina 26:17
Well, because I assume that if they realized that a ship is missed, or you know, whatever, not responding that they're going to send rescuers out, right?
Kayla 26:25
Yeah. Especially if they know the general area. Like if they know where they were traveling to and where they're traveling from, it probably wouldn't be that hard to figure out their coordinates. Well, it's probably harder than I think. But still, I just think it's unreasonable for nothing to be found.
Karina 26:44
I feel like that theory holds true like for planes, right? Because there's a flight pattern that you're on. So yeah, they'd be able to track that a little bit easier. But like with Taylor, like his flight, they weren't able to find anything.
Kayla 26:58
And they had coordinates for him at one point to
Karina 27:01
what I thought was interesting, too, was that Taylor had a bad feeling. And he had requested not to fly that day. But he was told he had to suck it up and fly anyway. Wow. Yeah.
Kayla 27:13
Scandal.
Karina 27:14
Yeah. He's had more than, you know, 2500 hours of flight or whatever you had said. And he was like, he never had a problem flying. But that day, in particular, he had talked to his mom the night before. And he said, I have a bad feeling about this. I don't want to go out there. Like it just doesn't feel right. And his commanding officer was like, tough luck. Like you got to get out there anyway. So yeah, that's terrible,
Kayla 27:35
toxic work environment right there. I had also read that he did see landmass at one point. But they're saying that he confused the landmass of the Bahamas with the landmass of the Florida Keys, which I just have a hard time believing because those are in opposite areas, basically. So as a pilot, you at the very least know what is east and what is West. You know, that doesn't make sense to me. And then the last theory, which I honestly think is, is probably the most reasonable scientific theory, I don't have a way to debunk it, is something called rogue waves. So basically, when you have a storm from Florida, for example, and then the Bahamas coming together at a certain point in the ocean, these storms are already creating large waves because of their own forces. But when their forces combined, they make something called rogue waves. And these waves can tower as high as 100 feet with very little warning of the oncoming waves. And the sheer force from these waves can pull even the largest ship under with little effort. So that makes more sense to me. Because if you've got 100 foot wave coming at you, you're sinking to the bottom
Karina 28:48
To the Blue Hole. Probably.
Kayla 28:50
Probably Blue Hole with a squid eating you.
Karina 28;53
Okay, all right. Well, I see that theory. I guess that's the one that is the most logical.
Kayla 28:59
Yeah. And they do say that, yes, rogue waves happen here. So I can't be like, no, they don't. It's real. Good, fine.
Karina 29:07
I want to believe that. I mean, we all know that I like science. But I want to believe that there's something supernatural at play with all of these things. Like there's something else that's out there. I really feel like
Kayla 29:18
obviously, the Atlantis one, but I also kind of like the wormhole theory, just because a lot of the times I'm driving through like wide expanses of the United States, for those that listen to this podcast that don't live in the US. There's just like, there's so many places you can drive for hours and hours and not see shit. Cuz it's so big. So like, when I'm driving to Eastern Washington, for example, just on one straight road forever. I always think to myself, What if I just was driving straight and suddenly I'm in the desert. Like, what would you do? I'm like, I don't have a passport on me. No one's gonna believe me. And then I'm trying to think like, how do I problem solve this situation and get out of the Saudi Arabia desert? So I'm imagining the people on a ship like just gonna go travel with my insecticide over to here and then suddenly BOP you're I don't know, shipwrecked in the desert. What do you do?
Karina 30:13
You're SOL?
Kayla 30:16
No, you problem solve. We're not defeatist
Karina 30:21
oops, my bad.
Kayla 30:25
Yeah, that'd be so crazy.
Karina 30:26
I don't know what I would do.
Kayla 30:29
Yeah, but that would explain how we can't find them. And how people try to find them. They just disappear too because they're gone.
Karina 30:36
I like alternate universes. Well, I'm surprised that you didn't touch on Aliens or anything.
Kayla 30:42
Okay, that was one of them. But I don't know. Basically, the theory is that people get abducted from the ships. That's why everyone's gone off the ship or the entire ship is gone and abducted into space for experimentation.
Karina 30:55
Yeah, that's not as fun as the rest of them.
Kayla 30:58
I don't think so either. And, and also, to your point with the giant squid, you're telling me that no one's gonna see this big old beam sucking up a ship into the sky.
Karina 31:06
Also, like, How selfish are you to think that like aliens want to just like abduct you or whatever.
Kayla 31:13
Right? We are so vain to think that aliens are gonna come here out of all the planets in the entire universe. And come here, and they're gonna take us because we're so special and smart. No.
Karina 31:31
No,
Kayla 31:32
I think we had this rant on our alien episode
Karina 31:35
But it's important to reiterate, we had to bring it back. I liked your theories. I like the Atlantis one.
Kayla 31:36
That one is Neato. It makes sense to me. We're gonna just pretend that that's what it is.
Karina 31:47
Do you want to hear about the Alaska triangle?
Kayla 31:48
Yes, I do.
Karina 31:50
Kayla, are you familiar with Alaska?
Kayla 31:54
Yeah, I was born there.
Karina 31:55
I was gonna say me either, but you're familiar. Okay, well, you know a little bit more than I do. So if the vast wilderness seemingly endless winter and beautiful views don't attract your attention. Maybe this will be Alaska Triangle.
Kayla 32:09
ahh Triangles. The biggest beauty of nature.
Karina 32:14
This is sometimes referred to as the Alaska Bermuda Triangle. This area connects anchorage in the south to Juneau in the southeast panhandle to Barrow a small town on the state's North Coast. Sounds pretty remote but don't take my word for it because I'm geographically challenged.
Kayla 32:31
Can I just say Barrow Alaska is where 30 Days of Night is from?
Karina 32:37
Oh really?
Kayla 32:37
It's a scary, desolate area.
Karina 32:40
That sounds scary. Right So anyway, the reason this area began gaining people's attention is because of an incident which occurred in October of 1972. A private plane carrying US House Majority Leader Hale Boggs, Alaska Congressman Nick Begich, an aide Russel Brown and their bush pilot Don John's seemingly vanished into thin air while traveling from Anchorage to Juneau. 50 civilian planes and 40 military aircraft plus dozens of boats covered a search area of 32,000 square miles for more than a month. And yet no trace of the plane the men or wreckage was ever found. Since 1988, which is a great year, by the way, more than 16,000 people have gone missing in the Alaska triangle.
Kayla 33:30
16,000 people, that's 16 times the amount of people from the Bermuda triangle, that's a lot.
Karina 33:55
This is a missing person rate at more than twice the national average. On average, anywhere between 502,000 People go missing in Alaska a year. Vanished, never to be seen or heard from again. Rescue missions bear no fruit, but just what can be causing these disappearances? As a reminder here, because I don't know much about Alaska, Alaska is bound by 33,000 miles of coastline there are more than 3 million lakes. Is that right? It seems a bit a bit excessive, honestly. But that's what my sources say.
Kayla 34:24
I don't know how to respond to that, maybe
Karina 34:27
There's untamed wilderness and winters that cover the immense state and snow and ice. But of course, there are some people that opt for other reasons as justifications for the disappearances. Can I interest you in energy vortices?
Kayla 34:40
Well, we both had vortices!
Karina 34:42
Yeah. So from an article on legends in America, energy vortices are thought to be swirling centers of energy concentrated in specific places where the energy crackles most intensely, the energy radiates in a spiraling cone shape, clockwise or counterclockwise creating positive and negative effects. They are thought to affect humans in various physical, mental and emotional ways. End quoute.
Kayla 35:12
How do they know this? Can they measure the energy frequencies?
Karina 35:15
apparently, yeah. Scientists.
Kayla 35:18
more things I don't understand, so I'll believe you
Karina 35:21
There are such things as positive vortices, these spiral upward in a clockwise motion, and they create intensifying flow of energy thought to be conducive to healing, meditation, creativity and self exploration. It honestly sounds like a great time.
Kayla 35:26
Yeah, they should have like retreats in these energy vortices
Karina 35:28
That's exactly what I thought. Perhaps people don't go missing, maybe just maybe they find what they're looking for in search of, you know, self healing and exploration. But did you know that some other places that are thought to be positive vortices are the Egyptian pyramids, Stonehenge and the Sedona desert amongst other temples and cathedrals throughout the world?
Kayla 35:52
That's interesting.
Karina 35:53
They're all like places that you think of not necessarily as healing and self exploration. But like, you're in awe and amazement.
Kayla 36:01
Yeah, I feel like they're definitely associated with some type of enlightenment. Yeah, like even like pagans and stuff. They worshiped around those types of monuments and then pyramids for obvious reasons.
Karina 36:14
Pyramids, triangles, you know, the great shapes of the world here. Alternatively, there are negative vortices, the spiral downward in a counterclockwise motion which creates negative energies and depletes positive energies. These vortices are said to cause depression, nightmares, disorientation, confusion, visual and audio hallucinations, amongst other health concerns. And interestingly enough, these vortices are also said to cause interference with electrical instruments. Can you think of any places that might be considered negative vortices?
Kayla 36:39
What about me? Can humans be negative vortices?
Karina 36:47
Besides Kayla, there's Japan's devil see Easter Island, and the Bermuda Triangle.
Kayla 36:54
Woah. Devil Sea is the dragons triangle.
Karina 36:57
Yeah, one in the same. So this checks out. Danger, danger, danger. Alright, so back to Alaska. There have been some electronic readings with large concentrations of magnetic anomalies. Some of these anomalies have caused compasses to be off by more than 30 degrees, which could clearly cause confusion and disorientation. Some people have also reported visual and audio hallucinations and lightheadedness. Could all of this be caused by the differences in magnetic fields that added to the number of people that go out searching for their next great adventure all the while not being prepared for the expansive wilderness and elements could be the reason why Alaska holds the record for the most disappearances? What I found in a lot of the articles is that people go out there like in search of Yeah, their next great adventure or self healing or something, but they're not familiar or prepared with the elements.
Kayla 37:58
I don't know if this is still true, like this year, but at least in recent years, Alaska has had the highest suicide rate as well, because people have a tendency to migrate north to find better things or to find themselves to find enlightenment, and then they get to Alaska. And I always thought it was like the dreary weather and they just kill themselves, you know, killing themselves by nature and things like that, but maybe it's because of the energy vortex?
Karina 38:21
It could be because of that. That's the theory that I'm inclined to believe, or murderers. Hmmm. sidetracked, let me share with you a couple of these disappearances. While not one disappearance is better or worse, more or less exciting than another. I do find these cases in which multiple people have disappeared to be incredibly fascinating. I suppose you can justify one person disappearing in the Alaska wilderness away with rationalization. Maybe they were ill prepared for their adventure. But how do you explain 44 people aboard a US Air Force plane disappearing into thin air?
Kayla 38:56
You can't say the Air Force is not prepared.
Karina 38:58
Uh, yeah. The military has it down, it's gonna be prepared no matter what. In 1950 A Douglas C 54 Skymaster left anchorage bound from Minnesota with 44 people on board, eight crew members, three engineers, three or four service members and two civilians. The plane was expected to make regular radio contact as it traveled. But all communication stopped shortly after takeoff. And the plane never arrived in Minnesota. More than 75 US and Canadian aircrafts participated in the search for the missing plane, but the aircraft and his passengers were never seen again. So I don't understand how that like they've got to have top of the line. everything right? compasses and all that
Kayla 39:34
and what year was it?
Karina 39:35
1950 which is still fairly recent.
Kayla 39:38
Like, we definitely had technology enough
Karina 39:40
a lot of them, which I guess makes sense now, but I didn't know, they'll have multiple compasses, right? So it's not just the pilot, it is multiple people who have them and then they can like cross reference their compasses to make sure that they're going in the right direction and all of that. So you can't say that they were necessarily disoriented or flew off course or something.
Kayla 40:04
It was they disappeared over a landmass so it wasn't like lakes? Or even if it was a lake you can get to the bottom of a lake.
Karina 40:10
Yeah. It's not the vast ocean or anything. It's just Alaska. And it's never ever been found.
Kayla 40:19
Secrets buried in snow
Karina 40:21
That should be the name of a show. And lastly, I'll share with you the story of Leonard lane. He sounds like a superhero if you ask me.
Kayla 40:33
Yeah, he does. Some good names in this episode again,
Karina 40:36
He was a 73 year old World War Two veteran, thank you for your service, who was in Fairbanks enjoying good ol Fourth of July parade in 1995. And then suddenly, he disappeared. No trace of him or his limp, which he acquired from war injuries. While he was legally pronounced dead in 1997. The case is still technically unsolved. They didn't find him at all, ever.
Kayla 40:46
Someone killed him
Karina 40:46
and took him for his money, I don't know
Kayla 40:50
He was just in a parade, Like, was he physically in the parade?
Karina 40:53
He was watching the parade. And then that was it. And then he was gone forever.
Kayla 40:57
Mr. Lane, tell us your secret.
Karina 41:00
And I don't know, I just want to know, I guess like I think some people had said if he was 73 years old, maybe, you know, mental wherewithal, all that stuff. Maybe it wasn't all there. But that's still...like somebody would have found him. Right?
Kayla 41:24
And I also feel like in a crowd like that somebody would have noticed that he was having a medical emergency of some sorts, whether it was a physical, like, I'm gonna croak right now. Or, I don't know where I am. And I'm wondering, I have dementia, right? Someone's gonna see that and be like, are you okay, you know, and there's nobody that came forward with like, oh, yeah, I thought this guy acting strange or
Karina 41:54
nothing. And I know so like, scientific reasons here are saying that there are magnetic fields and things like that, that'll mess with compasses, and they'll cause planes to crash. And the magnetic fields can also cause audio and visual hallucinations. And it can disorient you and and that could be why people go missing. And yeah, that's fine and all and normally, I do like the scientific reasons for everything. But I don't know, I really liked the like positive vortex. I thought that that was something beautiful, I guess for lack of a better word, like it's a positive place. It's something that will help promote your your healing and your mental well being, then it causes you to disappear. Like it sounds like a good intention maybe gone wrong.
Kayla 42:39
What if it's like, what episode were we talking about the ladders?
Karina 42:44
Yeah.
Kayla 42:45
And the triangles and how they like, ascend to the next level.
Karina 42:49
Your uh, that was the -
Kayla 42:51
oh, it was superstitions! So what if it's like you had these positive vortices in Alaska and this Alaska triangle, and they get this positive energy, they get to this enlightenment, and we can't find them, but they're somewhere else, baby. They've moved on.
Karina 43:03
They're in a better place.
Kayla 43:05
Leonard lane is just living his best life somewhere else
Karina 43:10
where he's found enlightenment, he's good. But that was, I spent most of my time looking at the positive vortices, because I had never heard of anything like that. And yeah, I've heard about, like, people think that there's extra alien activity in Alaska. Right, things like that. So a lot of people would think that disappearances are you can account for them by aliens, which I feel like aliens are the cop out for everything. You know?
Kayla 43:29
Always. Which is fine by me, honestly.
Karina 43:33
I'm not hating on Aliens, but come on.
Kayla 43:36
You're going to Anchorage next week? Are there specific coordinates, where the positive vortices exist that you could like, go to?
Karina 43:45
I'm gonna Google it. And I'll let you know. If you don't hear from me. Nice knowing you.
Kayla 43:50
Snap a pic before you go and send it for our Instagram. So when you do disappear, it becomes a sensation.
Karina 43:58
I'll be like, on my way to enlightenment, there we go.
Kayla 44:03
I do think like, Alaska terrain is definitely treacherous. I think that people go missing there partially because of nature, partially because they want to kill themselves, partially because people murder them. But I don't think it explains all of it. How many did you say 16,000 in 35 years year? I don't think I can explain all of that.
Karina 44:33
No, I get the one offs. Yeah, for sure. Especially like if it's one here and there. Because there's not only like you said, the wilderness, the snow, all that stuff. But there are wildlife, right? They could eat you and that's it you're never seen or heard from again. But like there's no wreckage from the planes. There's nothing like that that's left. I think people do underestimate that, like people that go out to search for whatever they're looking for. They underestimate the elements. But I don't think that accounts for all of them.
Kayla 44:56
What was that one book that turned into a movie with Reese Witherspoon when she goes into the wild? Is it called Into the Wild?
Karina 45:02
I was gonna say. I think so.
Kayla 45:05
That's probably the reason why people are dying. You have these single women who are like I'm inspired, and then they go and try to do it and then they die. I honestly think that people are ill prepared. I know that they do tours for that because of that book, like follow the same trail.
Karina 45:17
No, thank you. But that was it. I chose to focus more on the the vortices part because it was the most intriguing to me.
Kayla 45:45
And the most plausible
Karina 45:27
Right? None of this electromagnetic fields or anything, get out of here with that
Kayla 45:31
nature. We don't have room for you.
Karina 45:36
No. But can you imagine finding a place that just makes you feel - because I think of the positive vortex as like, a place of calm, like you're just at peace with yourself? Can you imagine finding a place like that?
Kayla 45:49
I can't imagine how that feels.
Karina 45:53
I don't know that we ever will
Kayla 45:55
You might in a week.
Karina 45:58
Then I'll be like, Kayla, come on up to Alaska. Find this enlightenment together.
Kayla 46:03
So the vile vortices that I mentioned earlier. How it's like, I don't want say strategically placed throughout the world. But is it the same thing for the positive and negative vortices? I wonder, can we find them?
Karina 46:16
Well, you can find them in like the pyramids of Egypt, Stonehenge, but I don't, I guess I'd have to look at it and see if there's any type of correlation or anything.
Kayla 46:28
I mean, I want to go to the pyramids anyway. So that sounds like a win win.
Karina 46:33
Stonehenge too, that's not half bad. I'd go there.
Kayla 46:36
Yeah. Stones are pretty cool, I guess. Do some pagan rituals around them.
Karina 46:42
But you and your pyramids,
Kayla 46:44
yeah, long live pyramids
Karina 46:46
are triangles too, everything. I wonder why everything's a triangle, like I understand in our episode that we did on superstition and all of that. But why can't we have, I don't know the parallelograms of torture or despair or something.
Kayla 47:17
Let me tell you, I Googled so many combinations of things like that. Trying to find like a square at least that has mystery around it. And I found like monoliths Okay, fine. But that's not the same.
Karina 47:33
That's what we're looking for.
Kayla 47:35
But speaking of triangles, too. I saw an article today that I wanted to tell you about how they found a void in the Pyramid of Giza. It's like 100 feet deep. They don't know what it's for.
Karina 47:48
I want to know right now.
Kayla 47:49
Yeah.
Karina 47:51
That's insane.
Kayla 47:53
So more secrets.
Karina 47:55
I hope that one day because I just realized in my writings, but then also in like listening back to our episodes that I say, I find things fascinating a lot. You know, so I hope that one day there's a drinking game in our honor, and people have to take a shot every time I say fascinating.
Kayla 48:12
I definitely I repeat phrases as well. mine is That's cool. So if you guys want to make it a drinking game, we're giving you some hot tips right off the press.
Karina 48:22
Yes,
Kayla 48:23
Not that I psychoanalyze myself or anything.
Karina 48:26
No, no, we're fine. There's no no trauma that we need to work through or anything. It's fine
Kayla 48:30
we're healthy
Karina 48:33
This is not a cry for help. I promise.
Kayla 48:37
I'm gonna tell you right now that laugh did not make me trust you You're hiding something Karina
Karina 48:46
because I didn't agree that we're healthy?
Kayla 48:49
Yeah you went ah ha ha HAA
Karina 48:54
Oh, anyway, I don't have a good conclusion to this
Kayla 48:57
triangles: peace with a top on it
Karina 49:05
yep, well listeners it's up to you. We present the facts and you make your own opinions
Kayla 49:10
it's a choose your own adventure with Kayla and Karina.
Karina 49:15
Let us know what you decide. Kevin. We're looking at you kid. And Janease, she's an avid listener. Farewell.
Kayla 49:26
So long, farewell.
Karina 49:29
Copyright. That's where we end