Hello everybody, and welcome to this episode of the Disc Golf Answer Man. I'm Bobby Cool Daddy's Lick Breeze and this is kind of a special, special. Try out a special episode where we're going to talk about some offseason. But I reached out to a few players on the team Dynamic Discs. We have a Facebook Group, A private Facebook group where we talk, and I asked and said if anybody have anything they want
to talk about in the offseason. I had these wonderful gentlemen say, yes, I have plenty to talk about in the offseason. So I thought, we don't have the tour stops to talk about tournaments, kind of slow down, but we still have some tournaments happening. But I thought maybe this might be some helpful information for you, our listeners and our watchers to find out, hey, these are some things that I can do
during the offseason. Of course, sometimes I get made fun of when I say offseason because there is no offseason in disc golf, I'm told. But I mean, things do kind of slow down. So, but just to start us out, let's kind of do a round the table and just kind of give me a quick introduction of who you are and what you do. Tyler, we'll start with you. Hey, what's up guys?
Tyler Searle from Dynamic Discs Tournament director, primarily recreational disc golfer that really enjoys beating people a league. So I invite you guys to come down anytime and play league with me on Wednesday morning to the Pineapple League. Whenever I'm at home. You got to wait till I'm home, but you guys can go down there and practice and I'll still get you when we come home. Nice. And Kyle, tell us about yourself. Hey y'all, I'm Kyle Giovanni.
I've been with Team Dynamic Discs since 20/17/2018 quite a while and I'm kind of that right at that 1000 rated level pro I play, you know, 1020 tournaments a year have a good time. Didn't have the greatest year this year we moved. So still trying to get in the trying to get settled here in North Carolina area, but looking forward to this. I think it should be a good time, Bobby. All right. And then finally, Brandon.
Hey, I'm Brandon Watson, been with Team Dynamic Discs since 2017. Was doing competitor as a professional level, had some injuries set me back, decided to start designing courses, started the club run tournaments and do the TDs thing. And then this last year I actually was able to kind of jump start my competitiveness again and I was the MA 40 Wisconsin Tour champion this year. Had a lot of success in jumping back into the professional rankings in MP40 next year and
see how that goes. So. Nice. Well, again, thanks guys for joining the show. I know we're going to learn a lot and I know our followers are going to learn a lot from what you got going on. I'm going to start off first because one of the things Kyle said in our little Facebook group was that he talks about getting back into the gym and working on staying in shape or maybe even getting better in
shape. So, Kyle, how important is it for people to understand how if they want to get out and they want to do a lot of tournament play and they want to be successful, how important it is to be healthy and in great shape? How? How does that help with this someone's disc golf game?
I think it's, I think it's one of the most underappreciated aspects of being an athlete in disc golf is the, the, the knowledge, the ability to take care of your body, take care of your joints and your muscles, your ligaments, your tendons like being flexible, flexibility and the ability to bend and
contort your body. Especially if you're in like, if you're ever in an awkward stance, you know how uncomfortable that can be. You're in a patent pending stance and for whatever reason, you need to throw it hard. I have seen people's rounds end when they, they take a bad step off of a shot. And a lot of that comes down to the work that you put in throughout the year. I'm just staying limber, but I like to use the offseason in particular as sort of a kick start into approaching next
season. So I look back at my year, this year, I look back at 2025 and I go through each tournament and I try to break it down mentally and see where my my physical shape either helped or hurt. And kind of trying to remember what I was doing during those times of the year, what level of shape I was in. And you know, thinking back this past year, I really tore up round one. I think my average round rating across all of, I think I played
13 tournaments this year. I think my average round one rating was like 10:30. Just tore up round one. And then round two I would come out flat, you know, almost those two rounds in a day tournaments or if we're playing like a tee time event 2 times, you know, one round Saturday, one round Sunday. My second round struggled all year. So one of my main focus is going into this offseason is going to be like doing 2A day workouts.
So working out in the morning, whether that's getting cardio in or hitting the gym or going to play pickleball for a couple hours. And then again in the afternoon getting the opposite workout. And so if I hit the gym, get a workout, get a lift in and do cardio in the evening, vice versa. And the point being to stress my body in the morning and in the evening so that when 2026 term of time rolls around, I'm not lagging behind in that second
round. I'm not having, you know, built up a lead and then just watch it get dwindled down as I just flag in my energy. Shots aren't as crisp. Mental stuff isn't quite there. So. So yeah, like offseason is a really good time for personal reflection, how your round went, how your year went, right, how your body felt throughout the year. There were times this past year where I felt crisp and clean.
And a lot of that had to do with my diet, you know, like if I was eating very healthy, if I was staying consistent with my workouts and with my diet versus if, you know, it's like July 4th time and I have one too many Twinkies, right? So, so that's, that's one of the things that I enjoy about the offseason is the opportunity to self reflect and then start to prepare, build a, build a workout regimen, build a, you know, an offseason field work and putting regimen.
That's not going to burn me out, but it's going to kind of build me up over and over and over again. The goal being that, like, by March 1, I'm, you know, thumbs up, ready to go, ready to see the season. Yeah. Now Tyler, I want to put you into this because you and I have actually talked about health and physical training and stuff like that.
Now, I'm sure people probably notices in a couple videos, I've kind of let myself go. But you Sir, always stay in peak shape And I remember the days were used to tell me you would do your speed disc golf. When you would go to a stop, you would you would go to the stop, get there and to kind of get familiarized with the course or just to get your workout and you go play some speed golf. So I know that you know all
about the staying in shape. So what do you do as someone that travels a lot to stay in shape? Yeah, I love speed golf for seeing courses when I'm on the road. It's my favorite way to see a course, to learn about the local tracks, just to be able to interact with the local disc golfers, you know, to be related
to them. And then like Kyle saying, just to get that little bit of movement in, especially as a as a touring disc golfer or someone who's on the road, if you have a drive, I I love getting out of the rig and then be able to go for a nice light jog, throw some discs, you know, be outdoors, get some, get some air moving through. Yeah, just a really great way to kill two birds with one stone from my tournament director point of view. And then you get that little bit of workout in.
Bobby, I thought you were going to mention there was a time we were in Bowling Green years ago and nobody would meet me at the gym at 5:00 in the morning and and you were like, you're going to work out. And I was like, yeah, man, like I'm on the road half a year. If I, if I skip all these workouts, then I just skipped half a year of working out.
So I always, I always work out first thing in the morning with my wife or, or by myself just to make sure, like Kyle says, I get something in like I can like the clock in our schedules. We become servants to them as the day goes along. I feel like. So if you get control of your calendar or your day right away first thing, then you know, you got that one, one. So that's my biggest recommendation to everybody is to take control of your calendar or your clock early in the morning.
If if gains are part of your goal is to really get that, that work got in first thing and then then you know you got one win to start the day. What about you, Brandon? You got any kind of routine or anything that you do to make sure that you're you're in shape for during the season and then in the offseason? Hot tub, do you freeze up? Yeah. So this.
OK, We'll, we'll wait on Brandon, see if he comes back in. Kyle, tell us if there's something specific as far as a muscle group or anything that you're doing specifically for the offseason to make sure you're ready to go for the next season. Yeah, so, so disc golf is a a very asymmetric movement, right. So if you, if you allow yourself, say you really only train backhand, you can develop quite a bit of muscle on certain
parts of your body. And if you don't take the time to do those same movements, the opposite side, right? So most of us aren't throwing right hand back in and then flipping around, throwing left hand back in. So to, to counterbalance that you have to get in the gym and you have to work out both sides of your body. Counterpoint that one of my favorite things to do in preparation for disc golf is asymmetric work workouts.
So like doing one arm dumbbell bench press, one arm rows, right, one arm bent over rows is one of the best possible weight lifting workouts you can do for disc golf, in my opinion, because it really it helps you get, you know, a nice deep back, nice deep shoulder. And then if you're doing correctly, you're pulling kind of all the way through this range of motion. So you're really working out the
back of your shoulder. You're making sure the backside of your your shoulder, your labrum is staying, is staying fit. I don't recommend doing it with a lot of heavyweight. I think that's something that maybe, I don't know, people who lift weights and disc golf get caught up too much on doing heavyweight. You know, we're not moving heavyweight. It's 170 grams worth of plastic. So the focus should be on
lighter weights. You don't even need that higher reps you don't might, maybe do your set count, have your set count go up. But yeah, so like asymmetric workouts are one of my favorite things to do when it comes to to, to working out or working for, for disc golf, trying to build those muscles. We got you back, Brandon. Yeah, I'm back. So yeah. What you, what you got, what's the input you have on the the
training and physical health? Yeah, so one of the keys to my success this year, and I think it's coming off of a shoulder. I had a labrum surgery on my throwing arm. I had Achilles surgery a few years after that. The biggest thing for me was chiropractic care. I I would see the chiropractor on the Wednesday before every tournament and just getting my body in line and it alleviates some of that shoulder and back pain.
And doing that as part of my regular routine has helped tremendously, not just in disc golf, but you know, I sit in the desk a lot as a sales Rep and you know, it has some wear and tear on your body just doing that. So chiropractor has been amazing for me. The other thing was, you know, the tournaments that you're climbing up and down steep ravines like Justin Trails here in Wisconsin, it is up and down like hillside that is just
rolling hills. And it takes some a toll on you physically, which didn't allow me to focus on the mental game. I was more worried about catching my breath and and
trucking through the course. And so just really focus on drinking more water, doing a little more, you know, swimming, doing some biking and doing some of that physical stuff to get the cardio going and, and build up some more stamina and, and prepare me for those longer tournaments, those bigger courses, because we do have a lot of shorter, quicker courses, generally speaking on Wisconsin Tour. So I go play some of the big boys. It's it takes its toll and especially because I'm not
getting younger. Yeah, I know what I'm telling. Bobby, that was something I thought of too, when you were talking about just Wellness and, and starting seasons and Kyle with strength training. A lot of people are, you know, we're, we're on, we're on where we're, we're gaining and then we're kind of regressing at times.
But even if you're still on early in your journey of, of Wellness and becoming a, you know, a healthier individual, like you can be intentional with your diet and the way that you hydrate leading up to the event. And that'll go a long way, even as you're getting better with your strength and your
cardiovascular health. Like just just take a couple days to make sure you're hydrated before that event starts, especially when we get in the summer months and that and that dehydration can start to become a factor. If you want to feel better, you know, treat yourself a little bit better as we get closer. Maybe not that Friday night B dubs like we used to do when we were younger with the the tall boys and and the fried chicken sandwiches.
So Speaking of that, Tyler, I mean, you've been running event for a long time, so you've seen a lot and you've travelled. Have you have you noticed that people have taken their health a little? Not the people who didn't take their health seriously, but I remember back in the day when guys would wake up and they'd, I mean, they had pizza the night before and they stayed up late and they, you know, drank and had a good time and then they woke up and that it was a
monster drink. And that's what what they took to the course to get ready for a tournament. I don't think people tend to really do that a lot nowadays. But have you noticed any difference in people's attitude toward that when it comes to tournament? I think certainly on the professional disc golf side for sanctioned events, a lot of people treat that a lot more seriously than they did years ago.
Like no one had resistance bands, you know, in their part as part of their kit when we were getting started. And a lot of athletes will have resistance bands and guys, even our weekend warriors, you know, that hop out for your local C tiers. You're going to see them stretching a lot more now than they used to. And I don't know who to give that credit to.
I'll give Seth a Seth Muncie and disc golf strong and not for kind of getting the ball rolling on those lines, but I'm sure Seth would just be happy to hear about people not being hurt. So, you know, just it's there's definitely been a turn towards Wellness overall in the sport, which whereas before, yeah, I think it was a better more, more of a lean towards the cheese curds and the beers over there with Brandon.
Yeah. What's one thing, Kyle, that you're going to work on specifically with your throw or maybe with your putt or something that you're going to work on in the offseason? So specifically for my throw, you know, moving from, I was recently, most recently were in the Kansas City area and then now I'm in North Carolina.
So I went from throwing high speed over stable discs on 2/3 of the course to I've can move through most of the courses that I play here with a flippy mid range and get all the distance and shapes that I need to. So there's a vastly different type of disc golf. I have begun to act acclimate like, you know, I think I've only got 3 or 4 drivers in the bag now. Lot 2 warm mid ranges, 2 more fairway drivers than I have carried in years and years.
So for me, one of the focuses this offseason is we got a couple of decent wooded tracks here within a 30 minute drive of me. And my focus is going to be just getting more confident and more consistent at hitting angled lines through the woods, right. So my back end form is, is good. It's clean. You know, I throw hard. I throw plenty hard, hard enough to where I don't need power in
the woods here. Like you know, most of the most of the par fours at the one course we have, it's got par fours I can throw in and jump putt right. If I get a good throw off, it's it's a throw. It's a full drive and then a jump putt to the pin. But that's not what most of the holes are here competitively wise, like competitively, you know, local B tiers, local C tiers, A tiers, most of the holes are between 280 and 350 feet and they're about about that wide.
They're tiny. So for me, it's going to be working on. I haven't decided. I might go the Eric McCabe route and just like lean into the Heiser release, really try to learn that Corkscrew kind of Heiser stand up release because my typical, my natural release angle is very flat after I just throw the very, I throw a very flat disc and if I'm on, it's really nice.
But with that flat release, you know, you're trusting a stable disk and if you pull it left to right, pull it right, let it go left, it's really easy to miss a fairway versus like a more under stable disk on a steeper angle. You're able to kind of get the disk to do some work as it stands up. So that's one of the focuses for me this offseason is just putting more time into slower flip your disks on a steeper angle. Now, So what about you, Brandon?
Anything specifically that you're working on? Yeah, for the offseason for me, it's a few years back, we started indoor putting league at one of our local bowling alleys. They've got a like a Conference Center attached to it. And it's been a great way for us to get the local disc golf community together indoors because here in Wisconsin, not all of us play in the snow and or enjoy it. So we've been doing that and we set up different divisions.
We've got our pros putting on the marksman basket and then we've got our other divisions putting on a veteran basket and just allows us to practice at say that 1520253035 foot range. And you know, we've got some points you can buy in. We keep an easy system since we've implemented that probably 5-6 years ago now, that first season start in March or April when Wisconsin tour starts. That's the best I've ever played, some of the best finishes from our local players.
So we're seeing the results of it and it it's once a week we do a Monday night and just practicing a couple rounds on a Monday night and seeing how much that improved my game really like got me focused on doing a little more frequently even during the season and getting the baskets out in the backyard. And the thing I've I've found for me personally was the marksman basket practicing on that.
And even when you miss, you're like, Oh, you know, mentally I thought I missed and we're about an actual course.
We're playing full size basket. Your misses start becoming makes and also the confidence starts rolling like I I can't miss and you know slowly but surely I went from improving in the circle putts to 3040 and even 50 foot putts feel more like 15 footers to me. So that was really it drove a lot of cutting in my score this this last year in the last few years as I just become more consistent in longer range putts and especially in the in the circle, improving the the
percentage there. So highly, highly recommend starting one or finding a local indoor putting league or outdoor putting league. I know I've done some in Florida and other places, some of the breweries and and other places, but just. Want to touch base? Yeah, let's touch base on that because when we head head into the winter months, you know, most places they can't go outside because of the weather, it's too cold or the snow's
coming down. But even in other places where it does stay relatively warm, our days get a little bit shorter. So when you get off work, there isn't much daylight left. So a lot of times people will turn to indoor activities to make sure they keep disc golf going within their game. So Brandon, I know you, like you mentioned an indoor putting league. Tell me a little bit about how that really helps the disc golf community stay active in the value that it brings to it.
I think, I mean we have a real small sighted community here and I started our Sheboygan Eagles disc Golf Club. So it it allows people we've got from 5060 plus year olds, we've got kids, we've got everybody from, you know, we got males, females, you name it. Everybody comes together. We can give advice to each other, like we get some new players that they just want to get engaged, They want to get connected with the disc golf community.
And it gives us a chance more experienced players to help guide them, show them, you know, ways to improve their putt. You know, sometimes it's just shortening up your putt a little bit less body movement so there's less room for air and helping them find a Potter that works well for them because that's, you know, part of it. If you've got a a certain stroke or the, the way that you putt, but the Potter you have just doesn't fit for it or you're not confident with it, it doesn't
come out clean. I can bring my boxes of a variety of putters and here try this, try that. So it's good for for that aspect. And really we just we have fun. They got food, drinks, just hang out, catch up with each other because it just calls it's a family and like a family family reunion every Monday. So really brings us together and gets us ready for the season. Good time to talk about ideas, what we want to do for future tournaments now, anything that we want to make changes on the
course. It's just a time to come together for us. Yeah, Tyler, when you're out there out and about, of course you, you stay kind of relatively in Florida, right? This time of year, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Do any of the places that you work with any organizations do more of indoor putting or is it still nice enough to be outside? I mean, there are a couple of breweries that we'll we'll move inside too if we need to. But like, where I'm at right now
is an outdoor putting league. Monday nights in Orlando is an outdoor putting league. Yeah, as I think about it, all of the putting leagues I do in the winter are outdoor, but it's dark. It's still dark outside, Bobby, You're right, It's dark. So we do have to make sure that we have opportunities to be in places that we can get lit up. At least if it's not raining, then we can move inside of some of these breweries. They have space for us. But I like what Brandon was saying.
I like the community aspect of a putting league because when it comes time for the summer to roll around, then you've had a winter of being together as community. You know who you can rely on when the club needs to run those events, those B tiers and A tiers.
So that's kind of your core group and it from a practice standpoint, going to putting league is, is putting with intentionality where sometimes in your back backyard you can go get your 50 putts in and your 100 putts in, but not really remember anything you did, but that you got your number. So put that scoreboard up there. Sometimes will help in a little bit of money on the line if it's a side better if you guys the league plays for money or whatever that however that
league works. Just that keeping a little scoreboard is is often nice for folks. Yeah. Kyle, have you participate in any indoor putting leagues and what what have you seen that's been successful? Well, here in North Carolina, they had a putting league going at a like a little, a local pizza parlor outdoor putting league. And they did like four or five stations between like 30 and 60
feet or something like that. And I think that kind of slowed down as the summer was going on. They didn't have a lot of people showing up. The fella that runs it, I'll be getting with him. Try to find a venue that maybe has an indoor space because I've, I've really been lucky in the, there been a quite a few places where I've lived where we had a great indoor putting league. The first indoor putting league I ever went to is actually in Leesburg, VA, up near where my in laws are.
And that's at like a big local craft brewery. And they have this really cool event space that they let the disc golfers use on like a random Thursday night. It was their slowest night of the week. And then now it's, you know, the one of the most lucrative nights of the week. So if you're, if you're looking for a venue to partner with you, you don't like, you can just say, Hey, look, I'm going to, I'm going to put 35 or 40 guys in your bar. They're looking to have a good
time. Most bars, most breweries will be like like that sounds like a great idea this Tuesday. Work breweries bars. Those are good places to go. I've also done like done them in churches like they've got often times the churches will have like those carpeted like gym floor spaces and those make wonderful putting venues. You can do you can really kind of space out some putts. The putting league in Kansas City actually run by now Nexus
disc golf. So they used to be like the Kansas City Disc Golf, Kansas City, like Dynamic Disc stores. It's the Nexus disc Golf kind of conglomerate. Now they're in KC, They run a super competitive putting league. It's like random draw double S. You walk in and then you do it like it's like 25 putts and that's your warm up. And depending on how many of those 25 you make that like sets you into either an upper or
lower bracket. And then this they have a random random number generator that partners you up one person from the higher bracket, one person to the lower bracket, and that's your team for the night. And then they just go like kind of cornhole style, 3 putts apiece. And like you make one putts worth 1 putt, 1.2 putts is worth 2 points and three putts is worth 5 points. And they played a 21 that was super fun, very competitive.
That also like it really kind of you can put yourself on the spot because it's, you know, you're not just putting for yourself, you're putting for your buddy to make his money back too. So, yeah, so indoor putting leagues, very good way to test yourself mentally, right? Especially if there's something on the line, whether that, you know, is like Tyler said is like a name on a, a name on a leaderboard or if it's for, you know, 25 bucks at the end of the night.
Just having that little bit of something to play for I find always helps sharpen up putting skills when the season comes. Yeah, definitely putting something on the line always makes you play just that little bit much better, which is which I think is great. Another topic that I said we're going to talk about that I think is interesting.
I know that when like we come out with new molds and we want you guys to try out the new mold as team players a lot of times not not all the time, but sometimes I hear from some players are like, you know, I, I think this is a good disc, but I'm, I'm, I don't want to put it in my bag quite yet because I'm really comfortable with my especially about in the middle
of the season. You really get used to the discs that are in your bag and you get a little nervous about trying out a new disc in the middle of a tournament. So in my mind, I'm thinking the offseason is probably a great time to really test out a disc to see if it is a disc to make it your bag. Am I right in thinking that brand is this? Is this really a good time to do things like that? Yeah, I, I, I'm one of the brave ones that tends to try stuff during the season.
I'll do it during the practice round and you know, doing that, I fell in love with the treason this year, which has been phenomenal for me. There's a few times I've thrown it and you know, I don't have the confidence with it or fully know how it's going to fly in every condition. So maybe not the smartest all the time. So I think offseason's probably a little bit better, but you know, I've had some fun shots with it.
I think what really deters me is after all the surgeries, the cold weather that starts creeping in, I've found myself playing a lot less in the winter. And really I don't start playing again till March or April and that's usually when I'm coming down. April for dynamic dis open or glass blown open without playing all offseason and expect to do well in 40 mile per hour winds.
So that, you know, it's been a challenge for me, but it is a perfect time, you know, when you are traveling around because I do travel a lot for work to bring those discs, a nice casual round, try some new stuff. And I usually bring a limited number of discs when I travel for business trips.
So if I'm down South, I'll grab a couple discs that I don't know, you know, very well, Maybe they'll fit a spot or, you know, something that I'm looking to do just a little bit better or, or fly just a little bit differently, maybe slightly less stable, slightly more over stable from what's in my bag right now and find something that's going to fit that spot based off of, you know, other feedback.
I know Kyle does a lot of good, you know, videos and clips and we got a lot of team members that go out and test stuff when we get them. So I'll watch those even for myself and see which ones are and is going to be a good fit for me and and what I'm looking for in a new disk.
Yeah, Kyle, how do you do that? Do you, how do you figure out, you know, if there's a new one you want to try or if there's maybe a, a not a new mold, but a mold that you just hadn't thrown in a while, you hadn't given a chance? What kind of your process for figuring that out during the offseason? Yeah. So for me, I'm a, I'm a an engineer by trade. So I enjoy like the the concept and the execution of like disc
design. I really enjoy throwing discs design specifically for the shots that I'm throwing. And what I find now is all of my under stable discs are stable discs or over stable discs that have been in my bag for a long time. So like my go to hyzer flip driver in the woods right now is the prototype Sergeant that we got back in 2020, right? It's just worked in and worked in and worked in. And it's my go to about knocked over my water. It's my go to like hyzer flip
disk in the woods. I've been trusted on a lot of different lines. I throw a forehand, I throw a backhand. And every time I throw it, all I could think is if this disk disappears into the nether, I'm just, I don't have, I don't have a disk to replace it. I don't have a mold to replace it. You know, same thing. I've got a really beat up prototype ring evader that is my like fairway driver for like what if I'm powering down and throwing that hyzer flip shot
through the woods? It's with that evader and I don't have another evader that flies like that. They're all either too stable or they're really under stable. Like they've just they've been banana or something like that. So for me, what I do is I go through my bag and I look at discs that I threw well this year and discs that I didn't throw well, discs that I tried to force into slots that they're probably not designed for. Like I didn't bag a Felon for a
long time. I just preferred the criminal. I throw it forehand, I throw it backhand. And you know, the the criminal to get it to fly the way you need to fly, you kind of have you have to hit it hard, throw it hard, hard, which I like to do, but I just didn't. I couldn't quite get some of the forehand lines to execute. I just could not execute them with the criminal.
So about halfway through the season, I put a felon back in the bag as one of those Gavin Rathbun, the hybrid X felons, super great flat top, nice and over stable, but it's a little easier to get it to fly than a criminal. You know, I don't have to absolutely murder it to get it to to fly some good forehand lines. So occasionally a disc will make my bag in the middle of the
season. But now, especially one of the quests for this offseason, I got, you know, 35 or so new discs to to go through with the in a new box. And it's going to be finding stock discs that I can replace that Sergeant with that I can replace that evader with, you know, that I can replace like a very recently I've been bagging just a really beat up Supreme fugitive for my straight mid
range for a long time. And it got absolutely warped, hit something with it and then just did not fly the same. So then I've been searching, trying to find a disk to fill that slot. Well, luckily for me, the new emac truth, the retooled emac Truth came out and it flies perfect exactly the way I want that that disk slot to fly. So that was lucky. That was like, oh man, that was just instantaneous replacement. But that kind of 1011 speed slot, I don't know if that needs to be the escape.
Most of the escapes that I've tested recently are pretty flippy, maybe in Musket or like, I don't know, Fortress or something like that. I don't know what, I don't know what's going to be in that slot. And then for the Evader, I don't know if it needs to be an Explorer or if I just need to find the right run of Maverick or Stag. You know, I don't think I've ever actually thrown a Stag, but I've heard they're good hyzer flip kind of straight fairway
driver. So that's going to kind of be one of the things that that I do this offseason is chasing those molds that'll fill those slots out in the stock spot. Well, sounds like a fun video series. I know, right? Hello. There you go. Yeah. Chasing the bag. Yeah, Tyler is a reading my mind. You mentioned something about Supreme Fugitive. I can't give anything away, but you'll be excited about a release we have for next year, so we'll move on from that. Tyler. What? Tyler, Yeah.
Tease me like that. Tell me a little bit about what you see and hear out there when you're talking to different players. Are are the casual 'cause you you're you're more the casual player that's out there that you talk to more. They don't. They're not really the touring pros, but they're the ones that
play tournaments still. They they're competitive, but they still, I get the feeling, correct me if I'm wrong, they're more just I want to have a good time on a weekend playing some disc golf with my buddies and put something on the line, right? Am I right with that assessment? Both, but I think they're probably the ones that come and talk to me, come and run up to talk to me because they know it's going to bring out fun when we visit.
So they they may be a little bit more casual in in their approach to their bags still competitive. I mean, I'm a tournament director, right? So I'm talking the tournament golfers, but maybe with the way that I approach the tournament environment, it's a little bit more positive. I'll say loose, it's not loose. We're still sanctioned. We're sitting on the rules, but we're but we might make fun of you on the mic still, you know, kind of thing.
So there's a bit of a there's a bit of fun that goes along with an event when we're doing them. So this time of year, like despite the fact that we're still in a tier season down here and it's, you know, this is the Florida season, we call it, we run a trillion events because of the mindset of the industry. This is just the time of year that kind of people have to think about the resets and what they might do.
Even if we're down here kind of in our competitive season, people are starting to work, work on their bags just because the industry tells us that that's what we're supposed to do, right. So we have a ton of touring pros that are down here that are going to influence the way our more casual or regional disc golfers approach their mindset
as well. So it's still going to be a a season to to reset, just given the the outside influences on us. Would you say people are more risk averse to trying something new, or they're pretty open to trying new things when you suggest new discs for them to get? Well, the, the benefit of me and the RV is we have the test drive bins, right? So even given a few rows, you know, if you're going to if there's a chance, right, or if there's just no chance.
So when, when I'm able to give someone a stack of disks, kind of a long, you know, a kaleidoscope, myriad of kind of shots and shapes that based on what they tell me they think their straightest disc is or their favorite disc. Kind of a question that I like to give people to get a feel for their arm speed and, and the way that they maybe throw the disc,
then I can give them five discs. Go try, if I'm able to watch them throw them and then we can kind of dial it in to get them pointed in the right direction, which is great. Not everybody has a chance to do test drives, but we do have
buyback stores. So that kind of gives you a little bit of that flexibility or you know, if you may be a regional retailer or where you're play it again, you can get a chance to check out a buyback or if they're not a buyback, just you know, dip into your buddy's bag and figure out what what works for you, you know kind of thing. What? I just had a question popping my mind 'cause I I'm I'm drawing back upon my experience when I used to travel quite a bit and talk to players.
Are players still willing to try something new or or or they do they stick with their trusted mold that they love? So I think it depends upon the athlete, right? If if you're a high arm speed guy and you can really trust and and see what other high arm speed guys like Kyle knows what 1030 feels like. So he can throw a disc that 1030
players throw. Now the rest of the the that 950 and down, they're not, you know, they're probably not they're probably not going to run right out and grab AQ line DD3 because Gannon threw it 690 feet at USDDC because there's like, I can't do it. Let me touch it. I want to feel it, you know, you know, now some of them might grab it, but I think I think more of them are better informed now. They're just not necessarily going to grab that 1213 speed thing just because it's new and
fresh. They're they just don't they can't throw it in some cases. So there's more informed thanks to guys like you, Bobby and Eric. All right, we're going to switch gears a little bit now. This is a topic I didn't tell you guys about because I wanted to get your fresh ideas. I didn't want you to have any preconceived thoughts about it. Let's talk a little bit about because this is the time of year where sponsorship talks happen,
right? And player contracts, According to Ulti World, there's out of 64 out of 91 pros have their contracts expiring in 2025. So I've seen other people talk about a little bit, but I wanted to get y'all's take on it. Is this the gold rush era of large disc golf sponsorships fading? Are we, I mean, we, I keep, I keep seeing of, of that we're not going to see and I I truly believe we're not going to see the big, big contracts. Is that kind of the talks that you guys get when you're out in
the disc golf community talking? What do you, what do you say, Brandon? I, I mean, I've also seen some of the articles and some of the names not being able to tour, you know, the contracts not being what they were with the kind of the COVID boom. I think that drove up, you know, drove sales, drove a lot of things and not the disc golf isn't still growing or isn't still doing well, but it's not at that same pinnacle that it was, you know, during the COVID
boom. So, you know, I, I can certainly see some of the manufacturers cutting back, you know, and I think it's still, it's more and more competitive as we continue to move on. You've got a lot of fresh faces. You've got, you know, the young talent that's up and coming as I was one of the course directors for US women's Disc golf championship and I had the juniors.
That was one of the like coolest aspects for me to be a part of and to see like MJ just went pro this last weekend and to see all the young talents and how good those kids are. It's, it's insane. Like, so as we see more of them coming up, you know, how, how do you balance contracts and you know, the rising stars versus, you know, our, our long term, you know, touring pros that we've had caught at the head of
head of the sport. So I mean, Owen set some some amazing benchmarks this year and it it's just, it's awesome. I mean, I'm glad I'm not on a touring level.
And you know, I got to contribute to my local community and do everything that I do. And you know, Dynamics been amazing supporting me and just running tournaments from flex starts to bring casual and league players to a more competitive and then bouncing that into, you know, I run the Wisconsin Tours Pickle Open, which is what one of our tours stops and one of the original. So try to cater to everybody at every level is what I get to focus on and that's what I'll
say. I'm glad I don't have to worry about contracts. Now, Kyle, so you have to forgive me, I don't, I like what's your schedule like? Like do you go out of state or out of your region to play tournaments or you do more stay local as far as tournaments? And the reason, the reason, the reason I ask you is because like you're, you're not on the big tour scene, right? But how does what happens on the big tour scene as far as this type of contracts and thing? How does that affect your level
of play? So like I can, I can, I can kind of speak to my opinion on, on why it's happening and what I think we're moving towards. But on, on what you just said, the, the less of those Bangarang guys that are on tour, the more stick around in my local area and, and stick around and snatch up all those B tears and A tears and stuff like that, which is in my opinion, good. I think disc golf should focus more on regional level tours. I think that we got too big for
our britches too quick. And I think it was, I think this kind of leads into why I think we contracts got so big. And now that they're not, now that they're, I don't think it's like a balloon popping. What I think it was is it was a gamble by both manufacturers and the pro tour to say, hey, look, we've got more money than we're probably ever going to see. We should spend it now with the hopes that outside investors will see it buy into the Pro Tour sponsor.
The goal, the goal being that five year goal, which we're hitting now being that maybe we will have worlds, you know, the winner take home $100,000, right? And that just didn't happen, right? That five year goal that I can envision like Jeff Spring had and be like, hey, look, we're going to we're going to put money out there dynamic when we signed Ricky, we're going to put money out there, you know, disc craft less. So I think I think Macbeth is making them a good a good chunk
of change. But like all those big contracts, you know, all those 6 figure contracts came out with the hope that outside companies would see disc golf and all those are that's professional athletes, 6 figures a year. That is that is you're making a living. You can buy a house and a car and have a wife and multiple kids and be very comfortable. It's a professional athlete and I don't think that has happened enough.
You know, I think we have a Barbasol works with the disc golf Pro Tour on some level, but you know, LL Bean like, but not the not the Nike, not the Red Bull, not the hey, we're going to sponsor the whole tour and we're going to give you $10 million to do with what you will. I think that was the big the gamble and now that the gamble hasn't paid off, I don't think we've seen the burp, the bubble
burst. But what I think we're seeing is just going off of where we hoped we're going to be back down to probably even above where we would have been have we not spent all that money, Have we not got all the fresh eyes on on the game? But yeah, so like going in the future, what I would really like to see would be more regional level stuff because I do stay, guys, stay regionally. So I'll travel, you know, like one state bubble.
I give myself like a six hour driving bubble, wherever that gets me to. That's about what I can comfortably do on like a Friday night play Saturday, Sunday, get back Monday before I got to, you know, take my daughter to school in the morning. But inside those bubbles, you know, those 6 to 8 to 10 hour bubbles, that's where I would like to see, you know, the pro tour, figure out a way to sponsor regional tours, kind of develop, you know, the way baseball has their farm leaks, right?
AA, AAA ball, you know, they're the Great Lakes League in the northeast, League in the Southeast League in Texas and you know, the West Coast. And I think I think there would be a great space for those 1090 to 1030 rated players to cut their teeth on a series of eight years and then for the pro Tour to then reward the very top level of performers in those regional events with the opportunity to purchase tour card and play the the the world tour.
And I don't know where to not call it a world tour, but we're pretty close. I mean, I love all they need is an event and you're in a in Asia that's consistent and they could call it the world tour again, you know? I I, I hate I, I like how you said, because from the outside, before I came back, it, it would have felt more like a pop of the bubble, but now it feels more like maybe a balloon deflating where we're, you know, we're getting back to baseline.
I heard something in an industry, the other, some other industry talk about recovering from the pandemic and they mentioned where I feel like we're now hitting, we're, we're hitting the bottom as low as we're going to go of recovering from COVID. In other words, it's not terrible numbers, but it, when you compare it to the height of the, the pandemic, we're, we're maybe hitting flat.
But then that's a good thing because now we can actually look at it and, and, and do a better comparison because it's hard to compare what's happening right now compared to what happened two or three years ago. But perhaps if we compared it to 6-7 years ago, you know, we're probably in a, in a, in a better spot than we were 6-7 years ago. Now. I've heard this from the bike industry, from all kinds of outdoor industries, the same thing we're going through.
Tyler, from what you see out there driving around and and running local tournaments, do you feel like, do you kind of agree with what Kyle's saying as far as they'll be less people wanting have aspirations to go on the tour, but rather play more local tournaments to maintain their, I guess maintain their what I'm trying to say. In other words, make money still playing competitively in disc golf.
Yeah, Eric, what we had had this conversation with him during USD DC, it's, it's going to go back to where the tour was like when he was on tour. Like, you know, back then, you're going to have your core, your top 2535 guys that are making money week in, week out on the tour.
But maybe like Kyle says, when we get these guys regionalized and they get their local courses, we're going to see that regional guy that just got it dialed in and that can come scare you have those hot rounds on on any given weekend and really write some fun storylines there as well. So, and like Brandon said, to be that guy that's 45, probably 40 to 120 with those tour card guys, It's just a tough road to
hoe, man. I I, you know, you guys, you can be as competitive and as Yuli as you can be and that you never miss. But boy, you can't miss or you don't get paid and that's just the way it goes. So tough spot. I hope some of those kids that that are on the up and come, you don't have that that little bit of buffer in place to go chase it because we love seeing those kids get out there and go for it.
That I have all that talent. I hate to see that kind of dry dry up. But to what you said as well, body with where think thanks to COVID in the in the pandemic era, production right now on a video side is higher than it was tenfold before the pandemic, right body. So we have so many more opportunities to get eyeballs on the sports. Even the fashion project guys, the production is so high compared to where we were with Disc Golf Planet before this all went down, right?
So it's it's we're going to have higher production even on lower levels and lower scales and regional production, which is going to be great long term for the sport. So I'm excited where the sport's AT and where it's going. They'll be a little bit of temporary pain for some of these guys that thought it was going to be a career probably, but hopefully they can still enjoy the sport and help grow the sport on regionally and, and, and those levels.
It feels like maybe like a a return to what it felt like before the pandemic as far as the grassroots feel and really having to put in the I mean, I have to say I really have to put in the time and the work because I know that the players are currently they do that. They put in the work, but maybe it doesn't quite come as easy as it once as it did during the the pandemic. Would you say that to be true, Brandon? Yeah, I think, I think you're
probably on target with that. Yeah, I could see like I could see like on the on the the sponsorship side, right, like on the money side of the pro game going forward, I could see and I would actually get behind companies moving more towards performance level contracts rather than base money. Like it used to be. When I say performance level contracts, what I mean is like you get on coverage, it's a paycheck, right? You, you get a top 10, it's a
paycheck. You get a top 20, it's a paycheck because a lot of people don't like they don't really think about it. You don't because you don't see guys 6 through 25. Those guys are so stinking good and they played so good that weekend, right, to get to get that spot. And they're not making money right here, right? Like like your top, your top four or five guys are making decent money.
You know, like if you look at the the top earners for this year, you know, your top guys that were consistently in the top 10, they're making decent money on tournament ratings, right? Like, so tournament winnings, you know, they're making 50 grand a year, which, you know, if you live in a van, if you're smart about which hotels you're staying at, you can survive, right? You can, you can make a living out of it.
But what I would like to see is manufacturers pull back a bit more on the guaranteed money and say, hey, look, you get a top 25 in a pro tour event that's worth this many dollars period, right? Whether that's matching winnings or that's worth a set number, you get a top ten, you get a, a son coverage, you bring eyeballs to the brand, however you do it. We were going to pay you for that. And I don't know, I don't, I haven't read too many modern contracts.
I think that's closer to how contracts were 10 years ago. Absolutely. But I know, like for the past five years, the focus on contract writing has been in guaranteed money. It's been in, hey, I want this amount guaranteed and bonuses and I want signature discs and I think a lot of that stuff is going to go away and I would like to see it move towards performance based bonuses. But you have to make this performance based bonuses scale. Like it can't just be get a top five.
It has to be like a get a cash period, right? Get a top 20, get a top, get a top 15, you know. So Bobby, yeah, Bobby, I think this would be a fun, a fun interview question for a future show and during the offseason where you get some of the older guys that had played, you know, 15 years ago touring and talked and get them to talk about their contracts and how they were written back in the day.
I think it was it was such a topic that was taboo back then and still is to some extent A taboo topic. But if you could get them on there to, to open up that kind of get step behind the curtain a little bit, so to speak, that'd
be cool I think for people. An interesting way I look at this when I talk to players and it's always been my way, even when I've talked to players back in the day, is that I've and maybe you guys should speak on it and correct me if you if you feel different is, is that it's at a value exchange. It's a value proposition, right? What value can you bring to us the brand? And then what?
But also what value can the brand bring to you, you know, as far as resources and then obviously the value comes in, you know, either money or credit or whatever the deal was worked out. But the VAT like you to your point, Kyle, as far as like you, when you get on video or when you place, well, that's the value we get because we get brand recognition. And then of course, we help you stay out on the road, however that is financially or we help you have a better presence on social media.
So it's always, to me, it's a value exchange. And sometimes I think people either don't think about it that way or they forget. They just think it's all about what can you give me, but it's more about what can we give each other. It has to be a two way St. has to be a two way St. I've had, I've had so many, you know, youngsters come up to me and be like, hey, how can I get on dynamic Discs? And this is what I'm looking for
in a sponsorship. And I'm like, you need to take two steps back and drive this for a moment, right? So it's like like, buddy, you have 1B tier win and it was at a local course where you know, you shot 985 to get the way. So let's let's take a couple steps back. Think about what do you bring into the brand, right? Do you have 10,000 followers on Twitter?
I don't know what it, whatever the social media, you know, cool thing is, do you put out constant video coverage that we can bring, you know, like like that, that we could send a body and he can put it up on the, the, the dynamic side. Are you highlighting our discs already or is that something you're only going to do if we give you a dotted line to sign?
And a lot of people, especially that 16 to 20 year old range before they really enter the industry, they don't, they don't understand that it has to be a 2 history. There has to be give and take. There has to be yes, you're giving us you're supporting us in whatever way that might be at whatever level it might be. But the the flip side is that, hey, you know, like I put 100 discs in kids hands a year,
right? So 100 kids a year, their first disc is a little, you know, prime truth, you know, like that that is value added back to dynamic because when they go to Walmart or or Walmart here has a has a dynamic section. Awesome. I go there all the time and I like, I feel up the little lucidized orbit Mavericks. They feel great, but they go to Walmart with their mom and they're like, Hey, there's a disc golf section. It's the same company that that guy gave me, right?
That's that's value added. And it's tough to get eyeballs on that value, right when you're when you're doing contract negotiations, right? Because it's not like there's not a paper trail, there's not a digital trail that says you brought X amount to the company because that's what we can see. So that's one of the things like as a, as a player, you have to both like own that and be able to articulate that to a perspective sponsored. Like this is what I can bring to
your brand. A lot of kids, a lot of kids just don't think about. A lot of people just don't think about it that way. But that is, you're right. That is 100% how it has to be thought about. One last one last question or Brandon, do you have something? We're just going to build up, you know, me coming from, you know, a sales and business background and and that's what I do for my career, you know, constantly working with business. My family had a business that's
100%. And you know, when we contracts aren't, you know, aren't renewed or players are added removed, fans are just looking at, Hey, I like that player. They're not looking at that player costs X amount of dollars and hasn't produced, you know, 1/3 of that or a fraction of what we're paying out to get that.
And I think, you know, in a lot of conversations I have with folks, you know, because there's some big names that have moved around different places, what you got to look at is there value doesn't make sense as a business. I mean, we, we can't just throw money around, you know, in our personal businesses and the companies we work for. Disc golf's no different. At the end of the day, it is a
business dynamics always. You know, we've had that family feel and you know, it's hard to lose a brother, a sister, a cousin, whatever we want to call that family member. But ultimately, you know, we do have to remember this. This is a business, so. Yeah, well, just two weeks ago. Yeah, two weeks ago. OK, Tyler. On Ulti World, Bob Julio did his interview and he said the exact same thing there. It's there's a return on investment. So it's, it's across the board.
All the manufacturers are looking at it. It's a business. Yeah.
All right. One last question before we wrap things up. I'll give you guys a little bit of time to think about it. But I want you to think of what's the, what's 1 big thing that you think and maybe there won't be. Do you think there will be a shake up happening, whether it comes to sponsorship or just something happening within the disc golf world, maybe some rumors you've heard some what are the scuttlebutt that we used to call it that you've heard that you think we'll do a shake
up in 2025 or at least leading into 2026? For me, I think it's going to and I might steal somebody, but I I don't know exactly who it's going to be, but I think there's going to be more people that are going to say I can't. Like James Proctor, of course his was kind of planned out. He said two years. Same with Ben was five years, I'm going to five years and I'm out. I think there's going to be some other big or well, then we had Kristen Lott who decided to step away for a little bit.
But I think there's going to be some, some more bigger names or some well known names are going to have to, for whatever reason, are going to have decide to step away. And I, I don't know that that's going to be a good thing for disc golf because people are going, the whole thing was like, we want to be able to support these players on the road, but the infrastructure right now that we just aren't able to
handle that. And I think some people are going to decide they can't go on any longer. And it's going to make people think disc golf is going away. What's not going to go away? But I think that's what's going to happen. What about you guys? What, what do you have it? Who? Who has one off the top of their head? My one big thing is we're going to see multiple regional winners this year on on the on the tour. Like it's just going to happen
there. There's only going to be, you know, like Kyle said, we see those, those top one through 12 guys for kind of cycling in and out of those leading chase card. But we're going to have we're going to have a couple this year, guys that are your Texas guy, like, you know, in the old days, your mouse seaboards and, and guys that are regional that are going to sneak in there and, and really 'cause some trouble for these guys. Look out for New Orleans.
We'll see if some of these Southern kids can sneak over there and do some damage in New Orleans. Yeah, kind of kind of piggybacking off of that, you know, I, I've fairly close with quite a few young and kids that are in college disc golf. College disc golf is getting more and more and more popular as a viewing experience. I do think that it offers something that standard disc
golf does not, right. So like you know, week in, week out watching singles all the time exclusively and then you go and you watch a a college disc golf event. It's like a team A-Team based event. Yes, there are individual stuff, but the the funnest rounds for me to watch are where it's like it's a four man team and you're playing a pair of double S and you guys flip flop playing alternate shots. It's a lot of fun to watch.
And I don't know if it will happen, but what I would love to see happen would be college level disc golf featured on Disc Golf Network, featured on a Joe Mez pro production, right? Because right now that's where the eyeballs are in our game. If it's not on Joe Mez, if it's not on Disc Golf Network, a lot of people don't watch it. They don't, they don't watch a lot of gatekeeper anymore. They don't watch a lot of Central Coast anymore on the on the national scale, global skip,
right? Regional guys. Like you're always going to watch your buddy play. You know that that, that 1A tier that gatekeeper media showed up to and filmed or that Central Coast showed up to and filmed or whoever. Like they're a bunch of different little small companies. And that right there, that's where you see the the collegiate disc golf being being like highlighted. I would love to see Disc Golf Network, Disc Golf Pro Tour Jomez figure out a way to film college nationals.
I think that would be awesome. And I think it would incentivize more universities to look at disc golf as an opportunity for student athletes, right? I like that one, that's a good one. Yeah, that's good. What about you, Brandon? I like what Kyle went with, you know, thinking back to, you know, my first junior worlds in Emporia, KS with my son and he was playing against Wyatt Mahoney and he is playing against Miles Sayer.
And he and these guys are playing at a professional level and having success at it. And Carter, Aaron's who I met, you know, back in 2018 and, and Gannon was, you know, just a junior back then and seeing, you know, Carter and the Emporia State team and you know, I, I met some of those guys too at GB ODDO and it's that is the future. It's cool to see, you know, how those juniors, they're
phenomenal players. They were good back then, but now they're winning at a professional level, you know, and podium finishes and see more coverage of that. And maybe we're going to have university and club support and another Ave. to get more eyes on the sport, to see the future
growing. And just another way to expose, you know, the same way we have high school, then college and then professional basketball, baseball, football, everything else, you can see, you know, see an opportunity for growth there. And I think that was a good point, Kyle. I like that. Yeah, I like that. In fact, in Emporia this weekend is the, I keep calling it the mark, but I believe it's the Mid America Regional Championship. And at last, last I knew they had 151 players.
I don't know if there was going to be more than that, but last night either 151 college students going to show up on in Emporia and play a little disc golf. Unfortunately, I have some other things that happened that I can't be there to kind of be part of that. But I know Eric and Jackie and all the crew out there will be running a successful event. So definitely. So it is going to be interesting to see as things happen.
I know it's good. This is again, this is the time of year that when players and contracts happen and I know even us, we are planning for 2026 and you know, we've got some big things happening. So I know this is going to we're going to start hearing different things out on in disc golf news. So it's going to be exciting to hear, gentlemen, thank you so much for being on the show and giving us your insights and teaching us a little bit about what you got going on.
I appreciate it. Tyler, I know people can reach out to you on Facebook or they can work and they go to fight, figure out to where to play a tournament in your area. Yeah, Disc golf scene, you follow me there on disc golf scene, you'll get notifications of all the events we're running. It is. I just sanctioned 13 events, 14 events this morning, so plenty to going on. That's just gets me through February.
That gets me from January to February, so plenty plenty going on. And you, Kyle, where can people follow you to find out more what you got going on when you're getting that pump in the gym? I just, I, I'm terrible about social media stuff, but you can find, you can find me, you can find me on Facebook. I'll post stuff on Facebook typically a couple times a month to to follow on with my offseason stuff. And then Instagram. I tried doing stuff every now and again.
I think it's Kyle under score G under score Geo is where you can find me on Instagram. And then I've I have been collecting a whole bunch of video stuff and disc review stuff throughout the year. My wife got me a camcorder last Christmas and so I've spent a whole year kind of filling SD cards and this offseason I've kind of told myself that I need to figure out how to do video editing. So watch out for my YouTube channel.
I think it's it's something goofy like Kyle Juvenity 7200 or something like that on YouTube. I got to figure out how to. Rename a channel. Or something. Or start a new channel. I don't know, but Kyle Giovanni on Facebook is the easiest way to get in. Touch OK Kyle, I don't I don't mean to pick on you, but I'm going to when you said I think I have an Instagram and I think this is what it is how old are you I'm. 3830. Eight, you're not that old and not being.
I have an Instagram I just I. And then my own. Instagram handle is. I don't have it off top of my head. Facebook's easy because it's just my name you. Know I'm just messing with you, but I did, I did have to kind of laugh under my breath whenever you said you called it Twitter because it has been called Twitter in in a couple years so. X Whatever. I'm picking on you. I'm picking on, you know, Brandon, I know because I've seen your posts.
I know you're, you're, you're active on what's going on in your life. So tell us a little bit about how people can follow your journey. Yeah, on Facebook it's Brandon Ray Watson. Instagram is BRW 33114, my PDGA number and then disc golf scene where I run a lot of events. I've got 1 coming up. I just ran one Halloween weekend right here in October at Rd.
America, which is the world famous racetrack, and I do that every October. Were you to play disc golf on an 18 hole permanent course with cars racing on the track feet away from the basket or tee pad, which it's a pretty cool experience. I've been doing it for several years, had the privilege of designing that course. We do another one in the end of January, which is usually a foot of snow. So it's the same course.
We don't have any cars on the track, but we've been doing the Schnee days, which is part of the local chamber. They do like bites on the lake. They do a chili, a pub crawl, all sorts of stuff. And we had a disc golf several years ago to that mix, which usually has a pretty good turn out. But yeah, I, I run events throughout the year, some local stuff, usually get a couple in with Tyler whenever he's swinging through for Silver Cup
and some of our other events. So yeah, we, we, we had a fun one this year at a private course, which we worked with a local, local brewery. We got to set up shop there, run over to a private course, play some rounds and it's always fun just to throw together some cool stuff. Disc golf fun. Remember guys, disc golf is fun. Yes, disc golf. Is fun. Get out there and play disc golf. Absolutely. All right. Thanks again, gentlemen. I appreciate your time. Thank you guys.