Episode 13 - Put-cha Pants On!

Mother is believing. At least I have a husband, you know. Does anybody here believe it? We are from Arkansas, no? Episode 13. This makes this the James episode. Couldn't even remember that there was a James in there. The only thing I remember about James.

He was the one I was telling you where a crew member did an AMA and said that they always gave him the creeps and he kind of messed with animals. That's really all I know about James. Maybe we'll learn more as we're going on. So he's Dexter. Yeah. Might be.

Keep an eye on that one. Oh my goodness. I just wanted to start off by thanking everybody for the very kind messages, emails, comments about my little mini breakdown via... via tithing last week unexpected I think the funny part is like

You're like, oh, what's the episode that really got you? And I'm like, oh, the one about finances. That's the one that made me cry. But this past week, I've really... kind of been like okay clearly it's it doesn't take a genius to figure out churches never seem to be hurting for money and that the people whose backs they're you know building it off the backs of their people

will go without that's not hard to figure out that that pisses people off and there's you know but i was like i feel like there has to be like something a little bit deeper than that like that seems pretty obvious so like this week i've really been thinking about it and i figured out what it is

I figured out that it's just one example of many where church was always priority over family. In your personal history? Okay. Yeah. Just like... i mean take your pick that in that instance it was uh specifically with my father to be to be clear of course um yeah go figure another girl daddy issues but uh yeah so obviously that was like a financial aspect but for

It was time, effort. That was always like at the forefront. So I'm imagining that's why things came out so, so much because it was just like church comes first, you know? Yeah. Family.

what you're taught is supposed to be so important but nope church came was higher priority than us all the time so i just think the whole tithing thing was just the tip of the iceberg and deeper things that i think with your dad a lot of the things that he did were kind of like um what am i trying to say they were they were false like it was all for the show of

you know, being a parent and having this family and being more financially stable than you guys were. I feel like a lot of his motivation was to look. like things were a lot better than they actually were he was just doing the church things and that's the only thing that mattered yeah but i think what's just so interesting is like it doesn't matter yes i wasn't a part of this cult or i wasn't you know we can all be from all these different

like religions and things but there's so many overlapping things like people that i heard from they're like oh i know exactly i went through the same thing or i know people that you know because of tithing they have the same type of feelings and so yeah it's just it doesn't really matter where you come from sometimes and

what the denomination is or whatever but just these these themes that go across everything you know yeah so anyways just wanted to start off by saying a little thank you to everyone you were very kind with all of your messages and i appreciate it And I think that's been a newer development. We've had a couple people reach out that have said that this weird hour-ish amount of time that we need to talk at each other is helping them.

Yeah, they're like, I'm deconstructing, but in kind of a lighthearted way or, you know, it's just a way to kind of like, oh my gosh, like talk about something that was such a thing of their childhood in some form of way, but then just like almost with other people in a way. incredibly humbling yeah it's really it's been really cool hearing from people that we just once again we kind of throw words at each other and other people are interested in what we're saying so weird

Okay, so we can move into the actual episode now that I've gotten rambled on about this for a little bit. You're a real person. Oh, I know. Just a real gal. And you know, the funny part is this is a... Maybe you wouldn't know because, you know, we're running like a snark podcast, but I am actually a feeler of all the feels. I am very... I feel all my feelings quite deeply. And unfortunately, I'm that type of person where every emotion comes out through tears.

happy sad anxious uh i mean everything comes out in the form of tears so then i just look like a fucking pussy all the time because i'm always fucking crying but yeah so you know maybe uh hasn't come out as much you know through this because it's a fucking snark podcast and we're like making fun of things or like but uh yeah so i'm sure there's more of that to come at some point i feel the feels

Okay, so for this particular episode, it is called Trading Places Duggar Style. And it premiered on October 27th, 2008. And lucky for their neighbors.

This is not trading homes with their neighbors for two days. Oh, God. They'd probably end up with, you know, like a Laura Ingalls or like a... murica mural on their on their walls if that was so this is not trading places with neighbors trading spaces to style this is actually all the kids swapping jurisdictions for a day so the episode starts off with michelle like there's just kind of like you know like little montages like they do a lot of the times at the beginning of episodes

And Michelle says, one of the questions that I get asked is, how do you do all that housework? She doesn't. Yeah, easy. You don't. We know you don't. I say to them, one of the secrets to our success is jurisdictions. Yeah, we know. We know, Michelle. So the episode starts with Jim Bob really... announcing like i said that they're going to do a jurisdiction swap and he says and quote the girls do a lot of the work around the house the girls are the ones that actually keep the house going we know

Yep. We know, Jim Bob. We know. Then it cuts to a producer asking Jill in the talking head. Why the older girls have to do most of the cooking and cleaning around the house? Jill says, probably the reason why the four of us girls do a lot of the cooking and cleaning is because we're older. Oh, but I don't see the older boys doing it.

But, of course, she follows it up with, we're older and able to help in that way. And the boys, they do more of the outside manly work. Oh, good thing you added that in, Jill, because... yeah being older has doesn't mean anything you have to bring it now oh okay now say what it really is you guys have woman's work and men's work yeah and even when you looked at the

overall like when they listed out what the other groups were going to do so it was like the boys are going to cook clean and keep up the house and then the girls were going to learn how to change a tire and check your oil So apparently all you have to do is car related things. That's it. If you're a guy, you take care of the car. That's awesome. Once again, maybe their ideas ain't so bad.

Great. So then the producer, I kind of like it because I feel like the producers are kind of asking a little bit of, I'm not saying that they're like, you know, like railing them hard, but they're getting a little bit of the tougher question. They're poking a little bit, a little bit. Because then they ask Michelle, do you believe that you are reinforcing gender stereotypes by having your girls do the cooking and cleaning? Flip my page.

That's already one page full of notes, folks. I know, Jesus Christ. And then Michelle says, I think there are some gender aspects that you just can't get around. I think there's differences in their personalities probably due to gender. Do you notice how she says like gender? Mm-hmm. It's like with an I. Mm-hmm. Gender.

In some of those respects, and that's not bad. I think that's a good thing. And they use that same audio twice. I don't think that's bad. I think that's a good thing. Yep. Because it's in them from the time they're little. Okay, a couple things here. Number one, do you notice how she says aspects that you can't get around? Yeah.

Can't get around or won't get around? Because if you tell yourself that you can't, it means that you don't have to think about your way of life. Yeah, that's not a can't. It's a won't. Okay. And then number two. I'm not really getting, you know, what's your train of thought here, Michelle, with talking about personality here? So her saying that.

I think there's differences there in personalities probably due to gender. What does personality have to do with him asking about gender stereotypes? Which to me just proves that they make gender a personality. Correct. So I just thought that's such an easy, like such an interesting way when you take their choice of words and you kind of like pick it apart and you're like, yeah, because you, a gender is a personality. So is fucking liking pickles.

Yeah. It's like it's so simple for these people. You're a girl. This is your personality and you like pickles. Very simple. Yeah. I do want to point out her very 90s. woven letter vest the letter vest yes it's like such a teacher vest like because it has like a capitalized a and a lowercase a and then like a picture of an apple

And then it was like a capital B and a lowercase b and then like a book. And it was like A, B, C, D, E, F. Every first grade teacher from the 90s had a sweater like this. And then they wore it with like a jean romper dress. You know what I mean? Yep. Jumper. Jumper. There we go. My mom was begging to get me jumpers at the DI. I wore lots of jumpers in my day. Okay. Big third eye blind fan.

So then the producer asks another one, a little, another little poke and prod at Michelle. Are you basically setting up your daughters for a life of being a stay at home mom? And she says no. Very first thing, no, period. Then she says, we're not setting up our daughters to be stay-at-home moms. The majority of the girls, that's their heart.

They want to be married. They want to have children. And they want to have their husband have the role of being the main breadwinner for the family. And that's just something that they feel strongly about. They do. I love how she's speaking for them like they want this yeah they feel strongly about this but you see that a lot and you saw that in the Bates family too where it's like

Oh, we don't tell them they have to dress alike. They want to. They like to. And it's like, are you trying to convince me? You're trying to convince yourself. Yeah, I'm like, have you really lined up all your kids and been like all these girls and be like, you want to be, do you want to be a stay at home mom? Like, yeah, you know, like you have a pulse on everybody's wants and needs. You don't fucking know goddamn thing about them, but you know for sure they want to.

be a stay-at-home mom but it's like what other choice or example have they been given nothing fucking wrong with wanting to be a stay-at-home mom but they are given no other example or choice it's like well of course this is what you want options

So then it cuts to the little boys doing the laundry. Can I make a comment about Lego hair? Absolutely. Okay. So when he's telling the family what they're going to do. The thing I've realized is that every time Lego hair gets up and says anything to like the family, it's like the worst exposition in a movie where instead of showing you something, they have a voiceover just say.

details of the of the scene or whatever and everyone that like analyzes films is always like show me don't tell me because in this one he gets in front of the family and he goes all right guys So today we're going to have you guys change jurisdictions and just the way everything was just so staged. Well, it seems like it's painful for him to put together a sentence. I'm like, get there already. Jesus.

Maybe he has the wrong Lego head on. He needs to put on another one. Maybe it has a brain in the other one. It's rough to listen to. Like that... It's... I want to know, like, if that veneer was gone, does he just talk like that in general? Yeah, because all we know really is this version of Jim Bob. So, yeah. So I really want to know, like, are you just the awkward man that kind of narrates what's coming? Okay, so the little boys doing laundry has one of my very favorite scenes of this episode.

And it's because one of the little, the lost boys, and I'm pretty sure it's, I think it's James. It's Josephus. Sure. I think it's James. Funny that this is his episode. He's holding up like a little mesh, like a white mesh bag. I love this part. And Michelle tells him, it's for little baby socks and hose. And he has this like confused look on his face and he goes.

hoes like hearing a little boy just be like hoes yep and michelle kind of gets this look on her face like she doesn't know what to say She doesn't understand why he's confused. She literally kind of puts her hands down for a minute and you can tell she's kind of at a loss for what do I say. Let's also remember... That this is the woman that won't say the word underwear. Like in past episodes, like especially in the early specials, talking about laundry all the time, it was always under clothes.

she won't say underwear for whatever fucking reason but again god talking about my dad a lot my dad also would never say the word underwear Tim's over here snorting. He also wouldn't say the word underwear. If it was like anything that went from like the waist down on your body, all of it was pants.

That's very European. All of it was pants. So I remember being younger and like getting out of the bathtub. I'm like, I'm still dripping wet. And he'd be like, put your pants on. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm still wet. He's like, put your pants on. So everything was pants. See, that's very funny. Your dad was not worldly or well-traveled or anything, but that's the way they describe it in the UK.

And I only know that because of Doctor Who, because all these like agents go into their house and like the character's husband was getting ready for work. So he has like a scrub top and like these orange like boxer briefs. And he's like, great, we get a visit. from the federal agents and i'm in my pants so maybe other people in other countries like are like what is she talking about those are pants but here we just say underwear my dad was just the only person that wouldn't say underwear

And he also weirdly said warsh. Every other word came out normal, but then he said warsh. So it'd be like, warsh up. Put your pants on. Put your pants on. We say that. We say that to each other. And it's so funny. Put your pants on.

Anyways. Shout out to Rory from Doctor Who, by the way. Okay. So... Blah, blah, blah. Lady that won't say... She won't even say... underwear so she's trying to come up with how to explain to this fucking kid what hoes are and she's like has this kind of uh look on her face like what do i say and she's all well

It's the girls' hoes, like their stockings. And then it's hilarious because, meanwhile, in front of her that she doesn't see because she's talking to James, littler lost boy, I think Jackson, is holding a pair of... holes holes and he's got this big ass smile on his face and he's like stretching it out did you notice yeah

and so then she turns around and she sees that and she's like like that right there yes like she was just so glad to be out of trying to explain she's like thank god it's over it's that shit over there Like, ladies? Like, they're hoes? I don't know why I'm making her sound Minnesotan. She's very Midwest today. I don't... Sorry, guys. It's a little inaccurate, but...

All right, so then there's a montage of photos of young Jim Bob and Michelle. And I just want to say that so many... pictures of michelle and pants and it just kind of makes me mad for her girls i'm like oh look at her looking like a normal fucking 80s person in her little outfit that's kind of cute which i hate anyways

So Michelle is saying how early on in their marriage, she worked alongside Lego hair in their businesses. And she says that since their goal is for their daughters to gain as many skills. as possible to prepare them for the future if they need to become the breadwinner. And it's like...

i'm not buying what you're selling i don't think you really intend to teach your daughters to go out into the workforce i think you're just saving face right now and it's convenient that before you guys went full-blown iblp like full-blown all that like You can be like, oh, well, I helped out in the business. Like, I just think that's kind of a convenient thing to throw in there. But that's not their ultimate intention for their daughters by any means. I'm not buying it. So then it goes to.

The girls doing the oil change on the cars. He got them all in flannel, by the way. Yes, he did. He lines them up, gives them work shirts. There's one point in that scene, so he has a big pile of flannel shirts in his hands, and then he walks over to all the girls, and he goes, okay, we're going to teach you how to...

How to change your oil and, you know, kind of do all these car related things. And he's like, oh, I brought you I brought you some work shirts. I'm going to wear this one. Like he pulled it really quickly. Yeah. And I thought it was like the. you ever watched a group of little kids and like,

I'm bringing all my friends Gatorade, and there's only one grape, and I want the grape. So I'm like, I brought you guys Gatorade. This one's mine, though. That's what that felt like. He was like, yep, I got you guys. Nope, this is mine. This is mine.

He picked out the best work shirt. Yeah, exactly. Maybe he had his name on it. I don't know. Why didn't you pay attention? So Jim Bob is saying that I think it's really important for the girls to know how to maintain a vehicle if they're going to drive one. and then the corny line of each one of my daughters have a learning spirit just so corny you know it's just so it's everything that we talked about like it's so staged

So during them changing the oil, they go to one of their commercial properties and they pull into one of the... The bays type thing, yeah. So he has the van, the red minivan in there. You know, he's kind of talking to them. And the really little one. Johanna. So Johanna was wearing this, like, ridiculously oversized flannel shirt. And then he's showing them.

Maybe it was the way it was cut. But Johanna's like over in the corner. And this is like a machine shop. Oh, I know. There's like... large equipment and a motorcycle and she's over in the corner and she's like digging through stuff and climbing up things she's climbing upstairs that don't have railings that are steep and one of the girls was like Hey, you shouldn't be climbing on that. You could fall. Jim Bob not paying one fucking minute second of attention. No, he could not.

care less yeah and it was like so like a couple of the girls all look up and they're like johanna no johanna and then one of them runs over and gets them and even joyanna is like that was dangerous she could fall and it's like jimbo don't give a fuck yeah he did not give a shit

yeah do you have anything else on the oil change i didn't think it was too exciting so i didn't write down much they kind of cut it so it's like they were showing both the scenes kind of back and forth um at one point they put the van on a lift um and they were you know, opening the oil pan kind of from the bottom. I just wrote that.

ginger once again is not about this activity yeah she let it she took it off and the oil started coming out like she took off the air filter and the oil started coming out and it hit the camera so they're all like laughing and like in her talking head she's just like so straight-faced and she's like

why would I think that was going to happen it oil hadn't come out with any other thing we'd taken off before this because like yeah and so she just like stares at the camera she's like why would I think that was going to happen my dad didn't tell me and I was like okay yeah so I think

I think that was it. It was cool to see them doing things that weren't just laundry. But once again, this is all staged. It's not like you're trying to teach them anything anymore. It's a camera moment. Yeah. So then it goes to the little boys cooking.

And did you notice what Michelle says at the very beginning? She says, Chef Joseph and Chef Josiah. Oh, she was so, she was ready to throw that down. And she did like the little like arm thing. And she's like, Chef Josiah. And they're making tater tot casserole and green beans for lunch. Which totally reminded me. I talked a long time ago about doing a tater tot tally count.

like graphic which i haven't done so i'm gonna have to put something up in stories this week on the instagram what we need to call it i'm kind of lacking inspiration i don't know if i call it tot talk or like tally tots or tot tally or i don't know so i'll have to come up with the name and i want to keep track of all the times that tater tot casserole makes an appearance now that there's another appearance i'm like oh shit i gotta actually do that tater totals oh

There you go. See? We'll have to put up some vote. We'll put up a box with extra suggestions, narrow it down, and then do a voting. So guys, you guys be in stories this week so we can narrow this. Casserole count. This is very important stuff. Okay, so she's having them do all the various jobs. Go collect the cans. Go wash off the tops of the cans and stuff. And it was in this moment that I felt like you, Tim. Now, I may not be able to name all of the Lost Boys.

super well but i had a you moment where i'm like who the fuck is this kid in the green polo there was literally a kid in the green star and i'm like no i'm not kidding i'm not trying i've never seen you before i'm like who the fuck is this kid

the producer bring his kid to work i'm still trying to figure it out like like who the fuck so i gotta go back through maybe when i'm doing visuals for like a i gotta do a process of elimination to figure out who the fuck this kid is but yeah is that the one that uh jackson owned with the evaporated milk no that's um because that was jackson and james again i think so this is a taller kid he's like kind of like josiah size

So they're all opening cans and there's this funny moment where, you know how like when you open a can that's really liquidy and you open the top all the way, not just like hinge it. And so the top sinks down to the bottom clearly. Jackson sticks his whole hand into it and it overflows to start. And then I think it's James that's like, what are you doing, Jackson? You got it all over. He's like, you got it all over.

And then it's funny because then he pulls out his hand and he like flicks it on him. Yep. Like that's right when Michelle's walking up too. So she gets flicked by this evaporated milk. And I'm like, it was kind of nice to see them being just like fucking kids. Just being kids. Yeah.

I put Jackson's cold-blooded because he kind of took offense that this random-ass child was like, what are you doing? You made a mess. So he was like, I'll show you, pal. He's like, fuck you. Yeah, exactly. Cold-blooded.

Yeah, so it's just funny because James was getting pissy. So then... Neither of the two oldest boys were involved in this. They were helping the girls-ish. Okay. So the only thing that's what we're kind of, so I'm going to, cause they did flip back and forth. The oil thing was so boring. I kind of lumped it all into one thing cause it does come back to it later, but it was just so.

So boring that. So now I'm going to cut to how they cut it in the episode. So now it flashes to Jill saying that Josh and John David. So this is the only time we really saw them except for one time later on. Right. josh and john david she says they dropped us off in the middle of nowhere and it's to leave the girls so that they can learn to change attire on this same band that they changed the oil in

So they both rolled up. John David and Josh walked them through the process of how to change a tire. Yeah. And then got in the car and they weren't in the middle of nowhere. They were at the end of their, they were halfway down their driveway. This is what's so funny is because.

we'll talk about how they're phrasing it now okay so right now they're phrasing it as the middle of nowhere and the shot looks like it's on the side of the road okay correct so we'll just leave it at that for now yeah and then so then the girls are trying to change the tire and then they're having a moment where

They're struggling because they can't keep the tire. The tire keeps spinning. Yeah. They're trying to undo the lug nuts. And when they're trying to undo it, the tire keeps spinning. And it's funny. I like it because I feel like.

This is the first time we hear a little snark out of Jana. Because Jana was like, somebody who was driving forgot to put the emergency brake on. And she's like... jill was the one driving by the way so and then jill's like oh you can i kind of hear her react for like a split second and then like it cuts away right i want to point out that one of them has they're all wearing those floor length dresses

you know one denim and then the other ones are like different material but one of them has a cargo floor length dress So it's like kind of like khaki colored material, but then she has like pockets on the side. I'm wondering if it was Jessa. Jessa wore a lot more of the khaki skirts. It was one of the two older ones. I don't remember which one, but cargo.

Cargo dress. She's ready for work. See, she was doing it because she's working on cars. She's a worker. I'm a worker girl. That's what I used to say when I was little. I used to pretend to be Heidi from... Tool time. Home improvement. So I used to put on overalls like Oshkoshes and I used to walk around and say that I was a worker girl and pretend I was Heidi. Anyways, back to it. So the girls end up getting the tire changed in 28 minutes.

and so you know like we were just saying the shot when they get there is the boys dropped us off in the middle of nowhere and it is a kind of a tighter shot so it legitimately looks like on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere then this scene where they're pulling out the van they're in the fucking driveway of their house and i don't just mean like they're on the road like outside it is the private drive like yeah they're like

They're like 30 yards away from the actual driveway. So it's even funnier that John David and Josh hopped in his whatever he had. It was a Camaro. It was a Camaro. It's like, what are you doing? The house is right there. walk a few fucking steps dude like yeah i just thought that was so funny okay so then back to lunch this is where we're flipping back and forth yep

Josiah says, the cooking went pretty well. We were starving, basically, from all the work. Oh, honey. Honey. They were... 45 minutes late for serving. Normally lunch gets served at noon. It wasn't ready till 1245. Scandal. And. Because of that, because they were running so late, didn't get time to rest. So the bottom was runny and the top was dry. A little dry. Mm-hmm.

Ginger said it was pretty good, and it makes her enjoy it even more when I don't have to work so hard for it. Same, sister. That's why DoorDash is around. All right. So and then everybody else like rates it like a nine or a 10. But then like they're all talking about how like dry and fucking stupid is it is. And then they're like, it's a 10. Oh, yeah. They were sparing some feelings. I'm like, I'm like, or do you not understand how scales work? Like.

they haven't gotten to that part of the homeschooling curriculum i would say if you're saying it's dry on top minus one at least running on the bottom i'm like you got to say at least eight that would make sense but whatever i'm not their teacher So then it goes to a scene of them having to clean the bathrooms. So the boys are having to do this, you know, instead of the girls. And then again.

Homie Josiah says, well, probably the worst of it all is the bathrooms. And it's nothing too crazy. You know, everybody always talks about, oh, the bathroom is so gross because like. around the toilets especially after the boys because apparently these boys just piss everywhere i didn't grow up with boys so it's like i didn't have extreme amounts of piss all over my bathroom it's kind of a tim you do pretty well thank you shout out high five um but then there's this part that is

the most obviously clear sponsored segment i've ever seen in my life yes which i'm like did i notice this shit when i was younger or not i have no idea like i have no idea if i if i caught on like i don't know but Lego hair, Josh and John David. So finally they do kind of make an appearance more so than dropping their sisters off 30 yards away. In the middle of nowhere.

So they're saying that they're going to time themselves cleaning the bathroom. And in the beginning of the segment, they're all holding these like hands and they're like facing out and it's like matching everything. Right. And we're going to time ourselves. And the. Then Jim Bob says, a lot of cleaners, they'll damage the tub, but the scrubbing bubbles is good because it doesn't damage any surfaces. And I'm like, okay. They should have given him some copy to read because it was awkward.

And then it takes them six minutes and it's like, well, fuck. Yeah. There's three of you doing it. And it's not like they're little kids. It's like three might as well be adults cleaning the bathroom. Yeah, they're like ass to ass, like all three, like turn a different direction, trying to squeeze in this tiny bathroom to clean it together. Yeah, you and I could clean a bathroom in probably like four minutes if we really tried.

But it ends with them all holding those cans again, like facing outwards. And it's funny because like even like watching them clean, it's still like the can in the background on the counter. And so they're all holding the cans again. And yeah. Got to get that big scrubbing bubbles mummy. Got it done in six minutes holding their scrubbing bubbles.

I do want to point out that I think it was Michelle that said that she was like, well, you know, the boys' bathrooms are going to be worse. Now, I'm not saying that a lot of males have bad aim. Especially when they're standing. Not saying that's not a problem. But working in food service or working in retail or the different things that I've done, the women's bathrooms are always worse. Interesting. In every place that I've ever worked.

i maybe a home is different but i know like and it's a it's definitely a thing because we've talked i've talked to people at other jobs that are like oh that women's bed and i just think that bathrooms are fucking gross no matter who it is it's gross like I just feel like they never feel as clean as you want them to be.

It's because you're not using scrubbing bubbles. That's it. I'm running to the store tomorrow. Maybe that's why my bathroom doesn't feel clean. Maybe your bath wouldn't be disgusting if you actually use scrubbing bubbles. I need something that won't damage the surface.

So then that's kind of it for the episode. They end with like the voice, you know, there's always like these ending things of like them, like the aerial views of the family on the grass outside of the tater tot mansion. And then they just talk about how it makes them appreciate. I'm grateful for the work that others do. And that's the heartwarming end of that episode. I liked this episode. It was weird. It was cheesy at parts. It had a really good product placement segment.

I thought it was good. It had good amounts of Ginger really not being into it. Yeah, Ginger is... She can't fucking stand this shit. This is why Free Ginger was... she's low-key my favorite because of that because she's so angsty about shit she's just i think it's just so funny because when comparatively if you're in any way expressive next to them you seem angsty

oh yeah you know what i mean it's not even that she's that angsty comparative like it's just like she just doesn't she's expressive she hasn't gotten into all the expression like beating the shit out of her yet so right Anyway, so that's that. If you don't have anything else to add, I'm ready to, okay, we'll wind this down, take a little break, refill our drinks, and we'll be back for the deep dive. The holidays mean more travel, more shopping, more time online.

And more personal info in more places that could expose you more to identity theft. But LifeLock monitors millions of data points per second. If your identity is stolen, our U.S.-based restoration specialists will fix it, guaranteed, or your money back. Don't face drained accounts, fraudulent loans, or financial losses alone. Get more holiday fun and less holiday worry with LifeLock. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit LifeLock.com slash podcast. Terms apply.

Grab your snorkels and flippers. It's time for the deep dive. That would be a scuba mask. Because we're deep diving. Snorkel surface. I've seen people dig or dive real deep with snorkels. Snorkels, no, scuba. Anyways. So today's deep dive, you need scuba gear. No, this is kind of a mid-water one. This is mid-level. Go figure, we're going to talk about jurisdictions. So first thing, like we go, oh my God, it's fucking chores. Why are you calling them? Why are you calling them jurisdictions?

So the reason that they call, I mean, besides the obvious reason here, starts with a J. Jesus? What? What starts with a J? Jurisdictions! You did not get what was my joke? I did not. I'm sorry. So I was saying, okay, my joke was that the obvious reason they call it jurisdictions instead of chores is because it starts with a J. Now my joke is ruined. See, I thought like...

Everything they do is because of Jesus. So the reason why they call that that is because of Jesus. All their names are Jade, man. So is his. My freaking. So is his. Right over your head. Anyways. So the reason that they call it jurisdictions is because they feel like chores gives the idea of it being more of a like simple or one time task, sort of doing things to like the bare minimum in a way. Whereas jurisdictions is stressing the point that they're in charge of a full area at all times.

Okay. So an entire area or territory is their responsibility rather than just a specific task. Okay. So yeah, I saw just a photo online of a more... recent when i say more recent it's not like the era we're watching probably within the last five years or so of jurisdictions and i saw that one kid's jurisdictions were shoes so i was like is that just referring to a shoes area or is that like

Anytime they see a shoe in the house, they're like, you know, so I'm like, maybe maybe Joy's jurisdiction last episode was shoes. And that's why when fucking Jed's. boot fell apart that's why she's like putting it back together she's like my jurisdiction is shoes oh shit shit shit and she's like hurrying and like cobbling shoes back together i don't know she's the cobbler yeah so

I don't know what it all in shoes entails. I'm just imagining here. So it's kind of unclear exactly when they started jurisdictions. But let's just go back to some of the earlier days when they had a mere fraction. of the children only five bush league so in the in their book one of their books michelle talks of how when they had five kids and so looking at

Just kind of looking at the birth dates and her saying five. That means they would have been roughly four and under. Okay. Yeesh. So this is clearly before jurisdictions. But go figure. Michelle admits to feeling exhausted all the time and crying a lot during this time period. I believe it. Was it because she had to have...

More babies with Lego hair? I'd cry every day if I had to wake up next to that man. She says if she and Jim Bob hadn't had such a... such a solid relationship as well as them having such a solid relationship with god she doesn't know how they would have made it through those early years she says that grandma duggar was a huge help to them

and that she was constantly popping in and out of their house to help. Meanwhile, she was still working in real estate. Remember how we learned about that with Josh and Anna's future home? Yeah. So Grandma Duggar Mary, she was still working in real estate. popping in and out and helping and Michelle even says that sometimes she wouldn't even know that she had been there until she would realize

That the laundry was folded and the dishes were done. So she got used to not doing anything. And I'm like, so you didn't know there was another Dalton here just like sneaking in like an elf and like doing your laundry. Like very interesting. But yeah, so. She talks about how she was such a huge help. But it was during this time period that it was the infamous laundry room breakdown. Uh oh.

So for like a seasoned snarker such as myself, this is a pivotal moment, very well-known moment. But we are happy to let the junior... snarkers such as you in on this pivotal moment in their life i feel like we need some like intro music to like epic moments in duggar history it is constantly referred to like so it's become a joke where it's like okay who's the next kid who

who's the next kid to have their laundry room breakdown? Do you think Ginger has had her laundry room breakdown yet? Like, it's just the, it's just kind of this reference to like, when are you going to fucking lose it? So if I ever say like, I'm about to have a laundry room breakdown. Girl needs help. So in their book, again, Michelle talks about one night, it's 1 a.m. and she was up still doing laundry to try to keep up with.

The massive amount of laundry that four kids, five kids under four, when two adults will, you know, accumulate. Correct. So she said that she was feeling extremely overwhelmed and that she had tears streaming down her cheeks. Okay. So she says, she cried out, Lord, I need your help. I feel so inadequate. I can't do it all. The diapers, the dishes, laundry, meals, cleanup, school lessons, baths, hugs.

kisses correction i'm like you remember that you said all these things in this moment i think you're taking maybe some liberties but uh she said that her list seemed to go on and on as she rattled off all the things that she was feeling overwhelmed and inadequate

Okay. Can I interject real quick? In most, I think, mentally healthy, emotionally mature, like... mindsets if that's how you're feeling the result wouldn't be having more kids oh yes we i get into that in depth like yeah does she feel like You'll see. Her idea of God was like, just have more kids, Michelle. It'll be fine. Well, do you know what she heard instead? Oh, God, I'm ready. Michelle says she heard a still, small voice.

So I'm like, so you're talking to yourself, Michelle? Because it sounds like you're describing your own voice. She's pretty mousy. A still small voice. And so I'm thinking you're hearing yourself. So that still small voice said, Michelle. It's easy to praise me when things are going well, but are you willing to praise me now? Emphasis on now. Michelle says that she was immediately the scripture.

verse let us let us offer the sacrifice of praise to god continually came to her mind god just planted that in her brain and she began to sing the joy of the lord is my strength And as she sang, she felt the burden being lifted. And she just felt better. So she started to ovulate. Because that's the answer. The answer is having more kids. So she was like, the burden came and I started to ovulate. He planted in my womb.

So she felt this burden being lifted and she finished laundry and she was in bed by 2 a.m. But wait, there's more. a few days later she was with the kids at the piano teacher's house and she couldn't help herself like she said she would usually like bring paperwork and stuff to work on to try to like catch up and but she just kept dozing off

And Nana is what they call their piano teacher. Nana noticed this and she asked Michelle if she was okay. And Michelle told her it was just, oh, she was tired from another not long night of staying up late too.

finish the laundry and then nana told her well i actually like doing laundry so i'd be willing to come and help help you guys out with that and then for 12 years nana came twice a week to help with the laundry oh my god okay so then here's my favorite part she ends this part this little section in the book by saying in answer to my cry for help

God had sent me an angel named Nana. Remember, moms, when God guides, he provides. Okay, a couple things. Number one, very nice of Nana. Lots of moms would appreciate this. very generous gesture i any mom on the planet would be like fuck yeah you want to come help you know like that's just a very nice gesture but i also feel like how many people would actually take you up on it right another thing but like

Exactly what you were just saying. Instead of Michelle looking at an extreme moment of feeling... absolute overwhelming exhaustion as a sly assigned to like slow her fucking role on having children she just goes like oh sweet someone will come and do my laundry all right It just, it boggles the mind. Like she just carries on. It's like, no, that could have been, you know, if you're so into fucking signs from God, maybe that was the sign from God to slow the fuck down. But, you know.

Now she's got someone to do her laundry. True. So clearly at the time of the laundry room breakdown, this was when the kids were too young for jurisdictions if they're all four and under. Right. But it feels like, I feel like the laundry room breakdown in Nana is like the moment that like Michelle cracked the code. Like she was like, wait, there is a way for me to continually like shoot out.

you know, crotch goblins, but not have to actually do any of the fucking work. Right. So she takes advantage of old women to come do her laundry. And then it brings us to the modern day version of jurisdictions like we saw in today's episode. It's just the perfect way for her to be like, oh no, I can keep doing this because there's a way around it. I don't have to overwhelm myself.

i've got other people to do it for me correct it's like don't get me wrong like i definitely i don't think that assigning kids chores or tasks is a bad thing by any you know yeah it teaches kids life skills i need to have sense of responsibility a sense of like uh contributing you know finishing a task yeah starting it and finishing it yeah but it's like the light But like always with the Duggars, they take a nugget of truth of something or a nugget of something that you're like, all right.

And then they just completely fuck it up. They always go overboard. You're like, you agree with this tiny portion of something. And then they just fuck everything up. So, you know, the difference between. The average family assigning chores and the Duggars situation to me is definitely that the Duggars are completely dependent on the labor of their children to function in any kind of way. Yeah. So going back to that second special that was raising 16 and children, I had to go back and like.

find what i was looking for just to make sure but i remember michelle was talking about jurisdictions and she says she's saying how important they are because the house doesn't flow and work properly without them right literally without your children doing all this work your household doesn't work does not function yeah because it's like all this goes far beyond like here take out the trash wipe down your counter bring your bring your clothes to the laundry room

Feed the dog. Yeah. Like it goes so far beyond that. Like Jim Bob and Michelle literally can't do it all. Right. Like keeping up with the house and kids. for anybody is difficult like there's two of us living in this fucking house and with working and stuff i'm like how do people do everything like i mean i just say that with two people just having a home in general like it's hard to keep up with and so it's like i can understand

But we also know that not everything can get done every day. Like, that's just the nature of it, right? Yeah. But with that many people, you can't afford to let it pile up. Yeah. And the other thing that sets them apart is that Jim, Bob, and Michelle literally could not do it all themselves. So Michelle wouldn't possibly be able to cook all three meals, homeschool, change every diaper.

it would be impossible so again this is why she they depend on this yeah yeah that's completely what sets it apart from the average kid just having chores So now let's do some focusing specifically on the girls and their jurisdictions. So in the episode, we heard a lot of emphasis on the cooking and cleaning. But I also went on to their website and they talk about some of the other duties of the older girls. And it says that Jill is the family secretary.

jessa is the organizer and administers the kids school assignments okay and then another teaching school too that was michelle's thing for so long like and so and then they it goes into the stuff that we did see like the girls cook all the meals and it even specifically talks about how they stopped doing um school at 11 30 to start making lunch for everybody while everybody else is still doing school and it's like so

as i'm reading all this like i'm not like what the what does michelle do like i'm not even just saying this to be snarky literally what does michelle do your daughters do all the cooking They do the cleaning. Now we hear that they're organizing your entire family. We saw them packing for your kids, for all your fucking kids to go to New York City. Yep.

Now they're doing homeschool. What do you do? I don't understand. It makes me mad. It honestly does. She pops kids out. Well, remember, Alice sits on her tush. Remember that? She sits on her tush. So in this same article, as they're listing all these duties of the older girls, they also list what the older boys do. Ready for this rocking list? We know what one of them did. There's one single solitary sentence about the older boys. And it reads...

The older boys are in charge of the yard and fireplace. That's it. That's all they mention. Wow. That's it. So I would just like to point out that. Those things, for the boys, are not daily tasks. I don't imagine that they are doing yard work every single day. And if for some godforsaken reason they are doing yard work every day. There is a, they're not, I mean, they're not, but there's also, it's also not a multi time a day necessity type responsibility the way the girls have them.

there's like a huge like okay difference between trimming some trees and bushes you could let that go for a day two week you know like whatever we need to huge difference between that in the fireplace and feeding 19 people three meals a day like every day also if you remember on the low end of the average of laundry

The low end average was six loads a day. So these girls are making 20 people's worth of food three times a day. We're not even talking about snacks. We don't know about the snack situation. And then they're fucking doing six loads of laundry a day. Right. But, you know, the boys, they take care of the fireplace. The fireplace is a lot of... You don't know? Have you ever taken care of a fireplace? It's like these girls are on call.

working to take care of the family 24 7 and this is without even talking about the buddy system which is a deep dive to come So, but just placing your head that this is not even including the fact that they're fucking sister momming their kids. This is just talking about straight up jurisdictions. I don't know. It's just nuts.

it's just funny that they see this as such a like jim bob admits it himself in the beginning of the episode when he says that the girls keep the house going yeah like it's crazy to me that they see this as such a positive thing to like say out loud. I wouldn't be so quickly bragging that my kid, like in Michelle with her crap earlier, like they know about the more about the laundry room than I do. And they cook more of the meals than I do. Like this isn't a positive thing. It's not cute.

Like, why are you saying this shit out loud? But the sad thing is that people bought that shit. Like even people that... weren't trying to immerse themselves so much into the religious culty aspect people still bought it up so it was kind of disgusting as I was looking through the comment sections of both old articles

old dugger family website posts and stuff and just to like read all of the comments that were giving so much praise to this whole jurisdiction thing and if anybody had anything negative to say about it everybody jumped to you yeah about how you're a part of the problem you don't want kids to have to learn your your white kids don't you know blah blah and so it was it was very much like i felt like i was reading like

kids don't even want to work anymore these kids don't even have to take care of their family 24 7 it's like no but no kids want to work so it really is disgusting i'm like oh all these people i'm like i hope these people like have had a change of heart over the years or something but back then a lot of people did buy it like yeah and i remember thinking not even like that i was like oh my god i i wish we had jurisdictions but i do remember thinking like oh

They're fucking weird, but they seem organized. And then, you know, you get older and you're like, wait, what? Yeah. This is beyond just being organized. This is relying on your children to keep your entire life functioning. Correct. And kind of going back to what we talked about last week, I had chores as a kid. And I had like three, four things that were like, yep, that's my thing to do. But everything else was kind of situational. Like my parents would be like, hey, can you do, can you.

wash the dishes today or can you you know what I mean like there was a lot of those things where they would have to ask me it wasn't like I had a delegated task outside of these like four things and I know for you you said that like from a very young age you and your sisters were kind of running the household effectively um so it's just weird like dynamics to draw like you guys didn't have jurisdictions but if you didn't do it like nobody would do it yeah are we

we had no set chores we didn't or anything like that and our house was very disorganized and very dirty to be quite honest but when when they got fucking sick of it i was five years old and we would have literally a week's worth of not even scraped dishes in a sink full of cold water and trucker lettuce you know like the bagged lettuce with like the

carrots and red cabbage we had that every night and they didn't have a scraper plates or anything and so it'd be like a week's worth of dishes with all that floating in it and the stuff like the water would have gone cold i was like five six years old my parents would put a apron on me turn a chair around put me at the sink and tell me to wash this just so they're done

so I was in a weird situation where we didn't have jurisdictions where actually probably as a kid I would have rather kept up with it than had to do what I had to fucking do at the end of the week and it was disgusting and I was gagging but it Yeah, it's like funny. I'm like, I would have preferred the jurisdictions. But it's just a when kids are there's teaching responsibility and then there's making your kids be responsible for the household.

that's different there's teaching it and then there's having to be it yeah because if you forgot to take out the garbage say that was your thing and your mom yells at you for not taking out the garbage but your household isn't fucking crumbling because of it yeah And I think there's multiple levels here of something that's actually been in my head recently. And it's been like being childish versus being childlike. And like...

I don't know why I'm referencing Doctor Who today. There was a whole Doctor Who thing with the fourth Doctor, and somebody brings up a thing about how he's really childish. And his whole thing was like, what's the point of... being a child and growing up if you can't be a little childish every once in a while and like these kids you mentioned earlier in the episode where

You were excited just to see them acting like their hand into a can of evaporated milk. I was pumped. Yeah. And like, I think both of those things, you can teach your kids responsibility and not. grind out the child fire that they have in them you know what i mean yep oh you know these lazy fucking kids these days who just want to have a childhood they're just they're just tick-tocking all over the place

Okay, so I just wanted to give you a few little extra tiny little details about jurisdictions. So if you were at all worried about these kids, you know, doing all these chores, I mean, you shouldn't be. Because they do get paid at the very generous rate of three cents per chore. Fantastic. Okay. So. I'm surprised they don't have like Duggar dollars or something. Yeah. No, that's.

good point yeah and like a treasure chest they go shopping in the treasure chest what do you think is there like coins for pickles like i need band-aids but all it is is cheap and like cheap toys God, what would be in their treasure chest? That'll be a thing. Oh, yeah, we'll ask that on Instagram. If they had a treasure chest that they used their Duggar bucks or their Duggar dollars, what would be in the treasure chest?

So in their book, though, Jim Bob said that it may become a little too successful with that incentive because some of the kids have figured out that if they do everything possible on the charts that they have. that they can earn up to $21 a month. I mean, how are they going to survive? But here's the thing. I don't think that's correct. Listen to this. You're telling me three cents a chore.

I'm doing some math right now. $21 a month. That would be 700 tasks from what I've done. Okay, so he said $21 a month. $21 a month. Three cents a thing. So $21 a month. is obviously 2100 cents yes divided by three divided by three yeah that's seven you're telling me these kids do 700 things in a month and that's if there's a 30 day month that's 23.3 tasks a day so something's something's not up it's either not three cents or you're not giving them 21 dollars yeah so your kids spending

every waking hour of the every not just waking hour every hour of the day doing something yeah so somebody like i think i read somewhere that they could also mark off some things that weren't full-blown jurors like it could be like some of their schoolwork too but even then i don't think that that's right that doesn't sound right to me i don't know i'm obsessing over this but i don't think it sounds right that's it's saying that they sleep for eight hours and are up

for 16 hours. That's 1.45 items per hour. That they're awake. We've got this like dialed in. If I ever come across a Duggar, I'm going to be like a paparazzi with like a microphone on. I'll be like, Jill, Jill, did you guys really ever do 21 tasks in a day? You're going to be that fanatic. Jill, Jill, comment, please. In episode three of season two. Anyways, I call it bullshit. I just don't think it's adding up literally on the calculator. Not making sense.

But they also say that if the older kids go above and beyond, they'll reward them. And their specific examples that they give is like if they clean out a car or mop the garage, they'll give them a few dollars to acknowledge their initiative. Initiative. She's very Midwestern today. No, so she would say initiative. Dessertin. Dessertin. So the talk of mopping the garage.

Made me think back to Geppetto cleaning out the Reber's carport. Remember how LeCount was so impressed with how he cleaned out their carport and they can park their car now?

and then you know he's just thrilled about that and then josh was conditioning their cabinets so it just made me think i'm like do you think that after josh did that he was like cool i showed initiative and like he just stood there awkwardly waiting for lecount to hand him a few bucks he was like can i give you money to go away he's like i showed you initiative uh don't i get money now

man next thing chore packs so not that interesting really it's not but it's just that they have these little chore packs that have visual cards as that has like you know the words and stuff on it too but like visual indicators of what a jurisdiction is that was that big long piece of paper she had when she was telling the little

kids how to clean the bathroom right well they have the thing that goes on the wall but then each kid has this little pack that has like picture visuals of what their jurisdiction is and it's for each individual individual kid okay yeah so just to explain if you

Guys have no way to watch the show. As Michelle was telling all of the Lost Boys how to clean the bathroom, she had this fucking scroll of paper that was like... six inches wide and it had like sharpie written on it like all the way down and as she was explaining how to clean the bathroom she was kind of reading off so no this isn't the chore packs though the chore packs are literally they buy them from this like homeschool like this organized like

this isn't that i didn't thought it was like something they made no they were okay so there are these little indicator cards with pictures on them and it's so the little kids can kind of keep track of what they're supposed to do and like kind of flip through the cards every day And I just kind of cracked up because it says that they either pin them to the little kids shirts or they place them on their belt loop. And so I was thinking that is this like the like the.

precursor to the mail dugger like wearing the cell phone so yeah is there like a rite of passage when they when they graduate from chore pack clip to phone belt clip That was a big day in a Duggar male's life. Special and important in every young Duggar boy's life. Then you got about one year until half your hair is gone. So that kind of sums it up. It's really to me just the... the mindset of not like, instead of like being like, okay, maybe I should slow down.

but instead you're like let's just put the responsibility on somebody else yeah and carry on with our lives yeah and i think that's why so many people maybe jumped on to it um as because it's meaning that you don't have to do these things yourself and you can veil it under i'm teaching my kids to be responsible you know what i mean like when you're talking about like the comments and stuff like that's why people were so into it because they have

three kids and they're like cool now i never have to clean the bathroom fantastic and then when the kids are like this sucks you're like i'm teaching you to be a responsible adult you know what i mean instead of I really don't want to do this, so I'm trying to pawn it on someone else. Now, don't get me wrong. Nobody likes cleaning the bathroom.

But that's not an appropriate response. I just think it's, yeah, give your kid a chore of cleaning the fucking bathroom. But the fact that it is this day in and day out responsibility. I'm not doing that. That's Josephus's job, you know.

And what I hate is how much they pass it off as this like, well, the girls loved cooking and, you know, the little kids love to help. And the argument with that when the producers are asking them, like, are you reinforcing gender stereotypes? Is like, cool. So what if Jana was like, hey... I don't want to have this as my jurisdictions anymore. I want to do the yard and the fireplace. Well, yeah, that's what's so funny. So I did forget to mention that they say that they like they.

they rotate them every six months to a year i think they don't have like a totally consistent thing but they rotate them so that and so that's why we do see that originally at one point it was like jessa doing laundry and then it was ginger like we see that rotation so they do clearly actually do that but they don't completely rotate because this swap it's still rotated within genders correct

So it's not like you're completely making this. And I'm like, wouldn't creating a well-rounded... If you're talking about training your children all the time, wouldn't that be creating a more well-rounded person by having them doing... everything right not just these gender role correct jurisdictions so it's like no you can pass it off like oh yeah we do this but it's like you still keep it

rotated between the three things yeah and i have i have a handful of like people that i knew from high school that i'm friends with on social media that you see them because their kids are getting to an age where it's like hey I'm showing my daughter how to do these things. And it's, you know, once again, it's car stuff or it's how to fix a toilet or it's these things that through the Duggar lens would be men jobs. And it's like, hey, I'm going to teach her how to do stuff.

but it's teaching her how to do everything. Like everything. It's like, cool, you are my daughter. I'm going to teach you how to fix a toilet, change a tire on your car. I'm going to, you know, how to clean this. Like it's everything. Yeah. So it's like if you were just trying to teach them to be well-rounded, you would be teaching them everything all the time. And not just for a TV episode that looks fun because the girls are doing boy things. Yep.

Yeah. Because it's just cute to watch them swap. Right. I don't know why I got so hot on that one. I had some mustard on that take. But back to kind of what I was saying about how they just like pass it off as like the kids like it. And well, it's like a lot of little kids.

like to help like a lot of kids are like oh this is so fun but again that's little kids kind of feeling that satisfaction of like learning something and helping not it being a day in and day out responsibility to keep their family going so it's entirely different and Kind of with the whole like, oh, well, the girls like doing this. Do they like it because they don't know any different? Or maybe they truly do.

Really like cooking. Say Jill really does love to cook. And that's fine. It's great that you've actually come to really like something. But again. It's been put on you as this complete responsibility. And at the time, you don't always see things for as fucked up as they are at the time in general in life.

everything is kind of hindsight or especially as children it's not until sometimes you get older you're like oh wait that was pretty that wasn't normal i feel like that right there is the microcosm of dealing with trauma yeah because you're you have children or that are so conditioned to like this is normal and then when they see something else that's not and then they realize that hey that isn't as common as like I thought it was as a kid now you're going oh damn that was

that was really messed up or whatever you know yeah like maybe and some of them may never see it And they may do exactly repeat the same patterns with their own families. But then there might be a few out of the bunch. I mean, out of so many, there's probably some that they're like, Oh my God, am I going to add?

now i have a five-year-old am i gonna ask this of my five-year-olds am i gonna put this responsibility on them right like so it'll be interesting to see as time goes on yeah and as their kids are getting older like how are they because a lot of them their kids are pretty young right now you know very young the oldest children of course are josh and anna's yeah they've got kids they're like 12 and 10 and like whatever but it's like it's interesting to see will they repeat these

these same patterns when they're of age or like what are you having them do and like i don't disagree that like you can hand a four-year-old a rag and be like here go do this but that's more of just like to teach a kid of like here this is what some stuff we're doing not because they're actually needing to do it you know correct so

I think that's why the idea of going out and being worldly is looked as negative in groups like this. Because you start to see that there's other ways to run your life other than what you are used to. So if things are so stuck in control of these young people and they go and they see that other people don't do this, they're more apt to go.

maybe this isn't the best way for me to run my life. You know what I mean? It's funny because, you know, Jess is like the ass licker. Like she was the one that it was like, that should have been a sponsored post. I am not here to kink shame. Freaky dees need love too. But she was the one that on Father's Day wrote that.

all that you know about jim bob and it's like this should be a sponsored post so she's kind of an ass licker but she when i was doing the research and all of this i did find a quote from her that says that i do some things different from

from my mom that she did with us and that's okay of course she didn't there was no details and i'm like i would like to know what you're referring to specifically that you're going to do different i want the tea like please tell me what you're doing differently she puts garnish on the tater tot casserole i was like exactly

be something so like minute and small but she's like see i'm doing it different but like i'm like i want to know do you think some of the things that your parents did are bullshit and you're not going to say it because you're still under their thumb like I want to know. Just like tell me what your parents did that you're like, fuck, that was fucked up. Yeah. I want to know. If any of you ever want to tell me, just let me know.

And we're still on the look for anybody surrounding or in the group of the chicken, balloon man, the server at the restaurant. you know um that delivery guy that was delivering through the restaurant as uh oh yeah the best was yeah yeah so the keg guy yeah yeah maybe even that girl at the restaurant at gator landing that they interviewed she'd be a good one or that weird like crackhead that was the artist guy yes they were driving across country yep anything else for you i don't think so

I like this episode. Yeah. I thought we gave us a lot to talk about. It wasn't boring. Jackson is savage. Yeah. A little bit. Yeah. It was. Well, Jackson, it's funny when we're seeing the ones that we watch being born on the specials.

like you get to kind of watch i remember he was the one that got lost in the airport too so it's like i'm finally i feel like every time i watched it previously i didn't make a ton of connections besides the older kids like i felt like i knew all everything about the older kids i feel like joyanna

up i was like okay i know what the fuck's going on with you oh that's not may not be true nope never mind i think i skipped over some boys in between and knew about joy yeah so i can't even say that so never fucking i had very select ones top oldest six for sure probably i'm thinking and then some select ones but like i'm gonna make a concerted effort this go around to be like and you are i gotta figure out the kid in the fucking green shirt

And now I'm like, OK, Jackson, you're like, like, I'm going to try to get to, like, know these kids. You need to open a pack of, like, Duggar trading cards. So it gives you stats. Oh, we could quiz each other.

yep that'd be fun how many tater tot casseroles did they make last year like what is josiah's favorite food he said it in this episode you remember lasagna yes lasagna is number one said tater tot casseroles number two but he was very like but my favorite is lasagna he has this way that he talks with that inflection he's like definitely you know i like tater tot i like tater tot casserole but my favorite is lasagna

All right, that's it for me. So the usual, follow us on Instagram, digging up the Duggars pod. We've got stuff in stories. We've got the visuals. We got other conversations rolling back and forth in comments. Then we have our email, digging up the Duggars at Gmail. Been hearing a lot more from you guys on that too, which has been a lot of fun. So I read them to Tim and we go, oh, we're hearing from people. So fun. Once again, it's still.

exciting and humbling and weird that we talk about stuff for about an hour every week and people can relate so it's very cool i i'm so happy that people are enjoying kind of what we're doing here And I'm like, some of you, I'm like, can I call you my friend? Like people that I've talked to like a couple times, I'm like, can I call you my friend now? Well, you referenced somebody some episodes back that you were talking to, and I assumed it was somebody with that same name.

that we know and you were like oh no it's just some girl on instagram like so it's cool they're my friend now don't you know it's yeah no it's my friend it's maria i mean yeah so it's exciting it's exciting to have those connections with people because i think This is one of the reasons why we do this. Yep. All right, guys. We will be back again next week for some other bullshit on some other bullshit. See you later.