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Diabolical Lies

Katie Gatti Tassin & Caro Claire Burkewww.diabolicalliespod.com
Smart. Sane. Unbearable.

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The "Rise" and Fall of the Girlboss

RESTOCK ALERT: Just in time for your summer vacation, the Banned Books tote is back in stock. Alt. title: Katie finally bites off more than she can chew and attempts a nuanced exploration of the Lean In, Girlboss cultural era. 13 years ago, Sheryl Sandberg published Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead . The following year, Sophia Amoruso published #GIRLBOSS . The broad understanding of this period was that—for a few solid years—we widely embraced the edicts of “corporate feminism” or “Lea...

May 31, 20262 hr 25 min

Gen Z Women's New "Anti-Woke Voice"

NEW SWAG ALERT 🚨 The Small Government line is back & better than ever. Get yours here . Katie’s back on her metaphoric “What’s Charlie Kirk up to these days?” editorial grind—checking in with one of the hottest new Gen Z Lady Voices taking the middle-aged men of the center-right by storm. In this episode, we check in with a writer we haven’t discussed since one of our very first episodes: Freya India, also known as three Jonathan Haidts in a very hot 26-year-old trenchcoat, just published h...

May 03, 20262 hr 17 min

The Caro Episode

Order Yesteryear if you like nice things, have good taste, or don’t want Katie to show up in the middle of the night at your house with a strongly worded remonstration. What does it feel like to spend 10 years of your life pursuing an uncertain dream when the chances of breakthrough success are one in a million? What does it feel like to—finally, at long last—be “the one”? Caro Claire Burke, one-half of your favorite podcast, is publishing her debut novel this Tuesday, April 7. Yesteryear is mou...

Apr 05, 20261 hr 42 min

Jeffrey Epstein & the Ordinary Misogyny of "Extraordinary" Men

Some quick housekeeping to start this lovely Sunday: If you’ve already pre-ordered Caro’s debut novel Yesteryear, or wish to do so now , Knopf wants to thank you. They’re sending custom, limited edition bandanas to DL Substack subscribers — all you have to do is input proof of your order in this link here , and they’ll ship you the bandana, clean and simple. (This is only for US subscribers.) Thanks so much for the support, y’all! Jeffrey Epstein got away with it because he was richer than God. ...

Mar 08, 20262 hr 29 min

The Myth of Centrism

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com If you pay attention to political commentary, you’ll often hear a few pieces of conventional wisdom: — America is “too polarized” — “Both sides” are “too extreme” — Or, most innocuously, that politicians should simply do that which is “popular,” which is itself code for policies that are considered “moderate” But do voters really punish candidates for being extreme? Are most “popular” ideas the “moderate” one...

Feb 22, 202626 min

Usha Vance, Rama Duwaji, & the Tragedy of Heterosexuality

Little bit of a heterosexual smackdown taking place today! But first, some housekeeping: As a reminder: Caro’s debut novel, YESTERYEAR , is coming out this spring (April 7th, to be exact), and she would love to see you all at the evening launch event in NYC. One can reasonably assume there will be laughter, tears, a book signing, and Caro on a stage looking incredibly sweaty while she talks about all things America, womanhood, tradwives, writing sex scenes in fiction, etc. She’ll be joined on st...

Feb 08, 20261 hr 57 min

ICE is a Public Jobs Program for Losers

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Note : This episode was filmed on Monday, January 19 and the edit was finalized early on Saturday, January 24, before news broke about the second (known) ICE execution in Minneapolis of 37-year-old Minneapolis resident Alex Pretti. Today, we’re talking about a beloved American pastime: killing civilians in the name of public safety. On the right, you’ll watch JD Vance and his trademark charmless sneer explain...

Jan 25, 202628 min

Scott Galloway vs. Heated Rivalry: Who Will Save the Men?

This episode critically examines Scott Galloway's views on the 'masculinity crisis' and contrasts them with the portrayal of masculinity in the queer romance series, "Heated Rivalry." The hosts debunk Galloway's claims regarding educational biases, economic disparities, and the 'Three Ps' of masculinity, arguing his solutions are repackaged patriarchy. They then highlight how "Heated Rivalry" offers a forward-looking vision of masculinity centered on equality, respect, and mutual attunement, resonating deeply with straight women seeking a different model for relationships.

Jan 11, 20262 hr 17 min

The Texasification of America

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Earlier this month, the Office of the Texas Governor Greg Abbott quietly released a statement that “emphasized the importance of TPUSA Club America chapter enrollment and involvement on high school campuses across the state,” in effect signaling their intent to support after-school programs for right-wing extremism in Texas public schools. This would appear to be your average, garden-variety depressing update...

Dec 28, 20258 min

BONUS: Caro & Katie React to the Erika Kirk CBS Town Hall

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Surprise! Caro & Katie react in real time to the programming we all should’ve seen coming: “CBS News Presents: A Town Hall with Erika Kirk.”

Dec 24, 20256 min

Don't Go to Starbucks This Holiday Season. Here's Why.

Coming at you with our first ever bonus conversation for the public, in which we discuss the ongoing Starbucks Workers United strike taking place at hundreds of locations (and growing) all over the country right now. It’s also a conversation in which we offer a humble request of you this holiday season: Don’t go to Starbucks right now, if you can manage it. If, for whatever reason, you do need to go to Starbucks right now, fine. This is not a game of purity tests! It’s a game of numbers. As such...

Dec 16, 202539 min

Is There a ‘Skinny Apocalypse’ in Hollywood?

First things first: Merch is here! Get it now before it’s gone. We’re so proud of this limited edition drop of deeply diabolical merchandise. Items will ship in mid-January, and 33% of all net profits will go to Feeding America, a non-profit nationwide network of more than 200 food banks that feed more than 46 million people through food pantries, soup kitchens, shelters, and other community-based agencies. If you’re a paid subscriber, you can access two exclusive pieces of DL swag by using your...

Dec 14, 20252 hr 2 min

Did Women Ruin the Workplace?

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Feminist hysteria has replaced logic and reason in the American public discourse, or so says one Helen Andrews. Today, we dive into the logical underpinnings for this argument and conduct a close read of the source material, which does a genuinely impressive job of evading all manner of pesky contradictory data (women’s workforce participation declining since the year 2000, women making up less than 50% of co...

Nov 30, 20257 min

BONUS: Olivia Nuzzi, Trump/Mamdani, & Where Caro and Katie Disagree

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com As a reminder, this is a bonus episode, which means (say it with us now) we didn’t try that hard <3 Thanks for everyone who showed up to our live AMA this week. We laughed, we cried, we read RFK’s “swallow” poem to Olivia Nuzzi and will never be the same. A sampling of questions asked, and answered, in this conversation:...

Nov 27, 20257 min

The Katie Episode

Earlier this month, Katie made a major announcement about her brand Money with Katie: In 2026, she will buy back her intellectual property rights and equity from Morning Brew, shutter the podcast for the indefinite future, take full ownership of the weekly newsletter, and return to her roots as a writer. This is a massive decision, to say the least, with major financial and spiritual implications — and if I, Caro, may be so bold, it feels very Diabolical Lies -coded. When Katie made the announce...

Nov 16, 20251 hr 35 min

"Ethical Consumption" & the History of "Selling Out"

A “point, counterpoint”-style deep dive into the double-sided coin of “ethical consumption” and “ethical salesmanship” (or its alternative, “selling out”) under that little thing we call “capitalism,” sponsored by our treasured economic partners in the Saudi Royal Family. “ Is There REALLY No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism? ” from Clotheshorse with Amanda Lee McCarty (2024) “ This feminist t-shirt isn’t actually made in a sweatshop ” by Zing Tsjeng from Dazed (2014) Karl Marx in America by...

Nov 02, 20252 hr 5 min

BONUS: Taylor Swift's Rumspringa, Reviewed

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com As with all bonus conversations, this episode breaks from the regular format of this show and operates instead like an homage to how it started—sending impassioned voice memos back and forth. Enjoy. * snaps into character to method-act as Tyra Banks * We were all rooting for you....

Oct 09, 20253 min

Biblical Womanhood, MAGA Girlbosses, and the Useful Myth of "Tradition"

Today’s conversation is a deep dive into the alliance between the neoliberal economic consensus and the social conservative movement in the late twentieth century—as told through the lens of a right-wing podcaster telling men they shouldn’t get married unless they’re capable of financially supporting a submissive wife and entire brood of children singlehandedly. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.diabolicallie...

Oct 05, 20252 hr 16 min

BONUS: Charlie Kirk, Part Deux

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com As promised, here’s a brief follow-up conversation on the Kirk of it all: one half news updates, and one half cultural analysis on the ongoing political fallout from Kirk’s murder.

Sep 28, 20255 min

Charlie Kirk & the End of Debate in America

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Charlie Kirk “practiced politics the right way.” He was “a controversial and polarizing figure, but that doesn’t matter.” His “sort of dialogue is what universities are supposed to foster.” In the wake of Kirk’s murder, these are the sentiments that have been echoed repeatedly in op-eds written for our nation’s most esteemed publications. For any writers , comedians, or civilians who have dared to suggest oth...

Sep 21, 20257 min

Democrats Are Failing. What Comes After the Liberal Status Quo?

The Democratic Party’s approval rating is at a 30-year-low , and Americans rated them no better than the GOP at their ability to “manage the federal government effectively” or “bring about the changes this country needs.” A pretty damning indictment, considering the GOP is currently disassembling the government with a rusty hacksaw while wearing furry BDSM blindfolds. In the wake of running (and losing) a centrist presidential campaign side-by-side with the Cheneys, followed by a wave of interes...

Sep 07, 20252 hr 19 min

Can the World Force Taylor Swift to Speak Now?

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com Taylor Swift recently confirmed the imminent arrival of her 12th studio album, Life of a Showgirl. Over the course of a single fateful podcast interview, a new musical era wasn’t ushered through our cultural door so much as it kicked down the door entirely, machine guns blazing, screaming at us to drop to our knees and choke glitter. The marketing rollout for the Latest Taylor Swift Album to Save the Music In...

Aug 24, 202515 min

Bonus: Bari Weiss Again, Somehow

This is a free preview of a paid episode. To hear more, visit www.diabolicalliespod.com In this (bonus) conversation… Ever wondered why Bari Weiss is constantly creeping around the perimeters of the conversations we have on this podcast? Well, folks, today’s the day to understand.

Aug 17, 20256 min

Why America Can't See Gaza

In this conversation… Who could’ve foreseen when we started this podcast nearly one year ago to discuss the Times of London Ballerina Farm profile that today we’d be publishing a two-hour episode about the most stereotypically “controversial” geopolitical “dispute” in modern history? There’s one thing you’ll hear repeatedly in conversations about what’s happening in Gaza: It’s complicated . Or, you might hear that “Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East,” or that it’s the only country i...

Aug 10, 20252 hr 5 min

The Womanosphere Claims It's Winning Young Women—But Is It?

In this conversation… It’s the grassroots sensation sweeping the internet and, by extension, the culture—proof that conservative values are mainstream, conservative women are hot, and their rapidly proliferating attendant movement is finally overpowering the excesses of liberalism. “We aren’t running from culture anymore,” as Alex Clark put it, “We’re running it .” They’re courageous enough to stand up for countercultural ideas like, “Women should be wives and mothers,” or, “White people are sup...

Jul 13, 20251 hr 44 min
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