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DEVIANT

Cold Open Media
From the award-winning creators of Down The Hill: The Delphi Murders, comes DEVIANT, a new true crime series that dives into the dark corners of what human beings are capable of. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tell good stories about bad people who do very bad things.  Some people are wired for good. Some are wired for bad. And some are wired... to be Deviant.  Follow the show wherever you listen and across socials @deviant.podcast (IG, TT, YT)
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Episodes

(Part 5) Homicide and Hate: The Way Out

(PART 5/5) In the final episode of the series, Andrew Iden continues his conversation with Tyler DiPeppe, a former member of Atomwaffen Division who now works to help others escape extremism. Tyler talks about leaving the movement, the work of de-radicalization, and the effort to build a life after hate. He also reflects on family, forgiveness, and what it means to live with the residue of old ideas while trying to help others move past them. This episode closes the story of Devon Arthurs, Brand...

Oct 21, 202532 min

(Part 4) Homicide and Hate: Leaving Atomwaffen Division | The Tyler DiPeppe Story

(Part 4/5) Tyler DiPeppe was once part of Atomwaffen Division, a violent neo-Nazi group born online. Now he’s ready to explain how it happened. In this conversation, host Andrew Iden speaks with Tyler about the abuse, isolation, and search for identity that left him vulnerable to radicalization. They discuss how online propaganda and community manipulation draw people in, how loneliness becomes a weapon, and what it takes to break free. This is the most personal episode yet—a conversation about ...

Oct 14, 202533 min

(Part 3) Homicide and Hate: The Plea: Devon Arthurs and the Question of Sanity

(Part 3/4) Six years after he murdered his two roommates, Devon Arthurs stands before a judge in Tampa and says he’s ready to change. But as psychiatrists describe hallucinations, self-choking episodes, and conflicting diagnoses—from schizophrenia to schizoaffective disorder—one question dominates the courtroom: Is Arthurs genuinely ill… or performing for leniency? Host Andrew Iden examines how the case twisted through years of mental-competency hearings, how experts view the psychology of radic...

Oct 07, 202530 min

(Part 2) Homicide and Hate: The Devon Arthurs Murders

(Part 2/4) Two days after the Tampa double murder committed by Devon Arthurs, police in Key Largo, FL arrest Brandon Russell, a Florida National Guard member, nuclear physics student and the co-founder of the extremist Atomwaffen Division. Also, he's Devon Arthurs's only surviving roommate. What they discover in his car and apartment reveal the terrifying reach of a violent, accelerationist neo-Nazi network. In this episode, host Andrew Iden investigates how Russell built Atomwaffen from an onli...

Sep 30, 202539 min

(Part 1) Homicide and Hate: The Devon Arthurs Murders

(Part 1/4) On a Friday afternoon in Tampa, 18-year-old Devon Arthurs walks into an apartment leasing office and says “I just killed two people.” Those two: his roommates...young men caught in the grip of online radicalization. What follows is a hostage standoff, a web of neo-Nazi ideology,and the unraveling of a case that exposes the violent underbelly of American extremism. Hosted by Andrew Iden, this episode of DEVIANT examines how ordinary lives spiral into hate, how the internet fuels extrem...

Sep 23, 202534 min

Punished For Future Crimes? | Dr. Samantha Stein on DEVIANT

Being punished for crimes you haven’t committed yet sounds like Minority Report. But in 15 states—including California—it’s the law. Under the Sexually Violent Predator Act (SVP), offenders who’ve already served their time can be held indefinitely if experts believe they’re likely to reoffend. In this episode of DEVIANT: Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Dr. Samantha Stein, forensic psychologist and author of Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us. Dr...

Sep 05, 202543 min

ENCORE: Jay Dobyns, Deep Undercover with the ATF

Former ATF agent Jay Dobyns spent 27 years undercover, from Waco and Columbine to infiltrating the Hell’s Angels in Operation Black Biscuit. In this Off Script conversation, he tells hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden what it takes to live inside America’s most violent worlds—and survive. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcast Copyright 2025 Cold Open Media LLC Learn more about yo...

Aug 29, 202540 min

REVISITED: A Killer in Cleveland

Anthony Sowell terrorized Cleveland’s Mount Pleasant neighborhood in the late 2000s. A convicted rapist and registered sex offender, he went unnoticed for years—even as neighbors complained about a foul stench they thought came from the sausage factory next door. By the time police finally acted, 11 women were gone. Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden take you inside Sowell’s house of horrors. From the overlooked red flags to the night a woman leapt from his attic window, this is the story of ...

Aug 26, 202531 min

Policing, PTSD and the Price of Service

Former cop, detective and firearms instructor Glen Williams sits down with host Andrew Iden to talk about what the job really does to people—and how to survive it. This is a candid conversation about trauma (on the street, at home, and inside the chain of command), the cases that stick with you, and why talking about it might be the only way through. If you work in law enforcement, EMS, fire, dispatch—or you cover crime—you’ll feel this one. GET GLEN'S BOOK: https://a.co/d/3cL2kgw IN THIS EPISOD...

Aug 22, 202547 min

Summer School: The Life of a Private Investigator

Ever wonder what private investigators really do when the cameras aren’t rolling? Forget the Hollywood clichés—no wiretaps, no lockpicks, no magic gadgets. In this episode, host Andrew Iden and veteran PI Ken Childs pulls back the curtain on the realities of surveillance, insurance fraud cases, missing persons, and the risks of being spotted in the field. From tense stakeouts in Beverly Hills to dangerous encounters in bad neighborhoods, Childs shares 27 years of experience tracking cheaters, sc...

Aug 19, 202544 min

From Mob Cases to HRT: Inside the FBI with James A. Gagliano

Co-host Andrew Iden sits down with James A. Gagliano — West Point grad, former FBI Hostage Rescue Team operator, undercover agent, and two-term mayor — for a no-BS debrief on what the job really takes and how the mission shifted after 9/11. If you care about organized crime, counterterrorism, and the reality of modern policing, this one delivers. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tiktok.com/@deviant.podcas...

Aug 15, 202554 min

The Now and the New

Join Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden as they discuss recent updates in the cases they've been following, including the Devil's Den murders in Arkansas. The hosts share their thoughts on various policing strategies, polygraph use and extremism. Listen for insightful commentary and updates on ongoing investigations, and find out what's coming next on all things DEVIANT. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www.tikt...

Aug 12, 202527 min

Off Script: Scammers and Red Flags

You've been conned, and now you're getting revenge. That's the story of Johnathan Walton, our guest on DEVIANT Off Script. In this episode, Johnathan shares his harrowing experience of being swindled out of nearly $100,000 by a professional con artist who pretended to be his best friend. After years of investigation, he's now dedicated to exposing these scammers and protecting others. He's the author of 'Anatomy of a Con Artist' and shares the vital red flags you need to watch out for so you don...

Aug 08, 202556 min

The Devil in The Den

On a summer afternoon hike in Arkansas' Devil's Den State Park, tragedy strikes a family when Clinton and Cristin Brink are attacked in front of their children. The children survive. Their parents don't. The assailant: a mysterious man dressed in black. This episode of 'Deviant' brings you the details of the crime, the immediate police response and the intense manhunt that ensues. Host Dan Szematowicz explores the discovery and arrest of suspect Andrew James McGann, his alleged confession, and t...

Aug 05, 202531 min

A Reckoning: Clark Fredericks Confronts Abuse

LISTENER DISCRETION ADVISED In this episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden engages in a deep and intense conversation with Clark Fredericks, author of 'Scarred.' Fredericks recounts his harrowing journey of surviving childhood sexual abuse, and the impactful decision to confront and ultimately kill his abuser. He delves into the psychological and emotional turmoil that ensued, his struggles with substance abuse, and his path through the legal system. Fredericks also discusses his proces...

Aug 01, 202541 min

Summer School: Mindhunting

In this episode of Deviant Summer School, host Andrew Iden sits down with Michael Yoder, a former agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), here to explain how criminal profiling actually works. From dispelling Hollywood misconceptions to discussing the intricate process of developing profiles, Yoder provides an in-depth look into how the BAU operates in reality. JOIN OUR PATREON: http://www.deviantpodcast.com Visit DEVIANT's socials: http://www.instagram.com/deviant.podcast http://www....

Jul 29, 202538 min

Detecting Lies with Brad Beeler

We're diving dive deep into the world of polygraphs, interrogations, and lie detection with Brad Beeler, a former Secret Service agent with 25 years of experience. Brad shares insights from his illustrious career in protective services and polygraph examination, including the science behind polygraphs, how investigators use them to detect truth and practical strategies from his new book, 'Tell Me Everything.' Learn how to read body language, decode social cues, and understand the emotional impac...

Jul 25, 202558 min

Summer School: Finding Missing Children

Have you ever wondered how police handle a missing child case? In this episode of Deviant Summer School, retired detective Jeff Bell, who worked for the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, shares his experiences and insights. He discusses his involvement in the high-profile Carlie Brucia case, the investigative process behind missing child cases and the emotional challenges faced by detectives. Jeff also provides an in-depth look at the role of family dynamics, the coordination required among agen...

Jul 22, 202540 min

Catching Spies

(AUDIO ONLY) How do you catch a spy if you're an FBI counterintelligence agent? In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the 80-year cat-and-mouse game of espionage. Host Dan Szematowicz interviews LaRae Quy, a former FBI agent who spent almost 25 years protecting the U.S. from Russian and Chinese spies. LaRae shares stories from her career, discusses the evolution of counterintelligence through the fall of the Soviet Union and post-9/11 era, and provides insights into mental toughnes...

Jul 18, 202548 min

Summer School: Solving Homicides, Part 2

(PART 2/2) In Part 2 of our DEVIANT Summer School class on homicide investigations, retired Chicago Police homicide Detective Mike Hammond takes us through the intricate process of catching killers. From establishing motive and gathering evidence to working with prosecutors and navigating the complexities of cold cases, Mike shares his extensive experience and insights. He discusses the challenges of dealing with victims' families, the importance of physical evidence, and the crucial role of DNA...

Jul 15, 202532 min

Corrections Officer to True Crime

In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career in corrections, the challenges and dangers of working behind bars, and the importance of respect and restraint in dealing with inmates. He also discusses how his structured and disciplined background influenced his writing career and his latest book, 'Letter 2...

Jul 11, 202540 min

Summer School: Solving Homicides, Part 1

(PART 1/2) It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from receiving the call and processing the crime scene to gathering critical evidence and interviewing witnesses. Learn about the meticulous steps detectives take within the crucial first few days and get a unique insight into the realities of solving homicides in ...

Jul 08, 202531 min

Off Script: Investigating "Murderland"

From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers,' to try and unravel this bizarre mystery. Caroline and Dan delve into theories, including the lead-crime hypothesis, geographical oddities and our societal obsession with serial killers. Also, they explore the fascinating and eerie connections ...

Jul 04, 202540 min

Summer School: Policing America

Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD. They explore the intricacies of policing in America, discussing geographical differences, crime statistics, the Broken Window Theory, and the daily challenges faced by officers and detectives. This episode provides a comprehensive overview of how policing fu...

Jul 01, 202540 min

Off Script: Catching Scammers with Jerri Williams

Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her notable cases, including an intriguing credit extortion investigation. She also delves into her endeavors post-retirement, including her work as an author and prolific podcaster, and her collaborative efforts with Hollywood to bring authentic FBI stories to the...

Jun 27, 202553 min

Introducing: My Best Friends Killer

In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on who committed the crime. The question is, why? Why did the lives of this seemingly normal couple end in such tragic fashion. Finding the answers will take us from Catholic Italian New Jersey to a very non-Mormon lifestyle in Los Angeles to a funeral in Florida...

Jun 25, 20255 min

Inside the Secretive World of Air Marshals

The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air Marshal National Council. David shares his journey from a local police officer to becoming an air marshal post-9/11 and provides insights into the rigorous selection and training process. They discuss the history of air marshals, the changes in roles post-9/1...

Jun 20, 202536 min

Off Script: The FBI's Sleep Expert

Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routines to understanding the impact of body temperature and exercise. Learn how she helps FBI agents and law enforcement staff cope with trauma and sleep disturbances. Discover innovative techniques like EMDR and Brainspotting for managing nightmares and PTSD. Plus...

Jun 13, 202549 min

The Hunt for Grant Hardin

On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state police, and federal agencies. In this episode of DEVIANT, host Andrew Iden delves into Hardin's dark history, including the brutal 2017 murder of James Appleton and a cold case sexual assault from 1997. Expert insights from former prosecutor Nathan Smith and ...

Jun 10, 202528 min

From Crack Wars to Crime Novels: Patrick O'Donnell's Journey

(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. Patrick shares crazy stories from his time on the force, insights into his post-retirement life and his work helping writers accurately depict police procedures in their work. Patrick's also gives a taste of his new book, 'The Good Collar.' GET PATRICK'S LATEST...

Jun 06, 202547 min
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