Naked and Unafraid (S1 E3 "Pretty Little Picture")

Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by Meat Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Boone, and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny.

So this is episode three, Pretty Little Picture, aired October seventeenth, two thousand and.

Four, another Sondhime lyric. Yes, pretty Little Picture comes from a funny thing happened on the way to the forum.

Did you see that? Were you in it?

I did see it.

I grew up listening to the album and it's great. And you know, I've been trying to unpack what I think the reference. I was going to say, Yeah, okay, you stumped me a little bit. I mean yeah, it stumped me a little.

Bit with the reference in terms of the reference to Sonhime or what. I totally figured this give it to Well, it's all about appearances, this idea of what are the appearances we keep up?

And Pretty Little Picture, you know, wants this writer.

She was able to unpack that with probably zero.

The rest of the episodes.

Yeah, what struck me, and my takeaway about a different version of keeping up with the appearances is like something that Mary Alice says, which is to live in fear is to not live at all. And I think of myself as a person who has always faces their fears, like I'm not a runner from my fears, and I also don't try to pretend like they don't exist.

You're definitely not an avoidant personality.

I'm not so I mean, I mean you obviously you you know me so well because I burst you out.

Of my body.

What can you think of an example of me, not of me facing my fears.

Oh well, okay, this is something I don't know why. This is the first thing that's coming to my head. But this woman, my wonderful mother, loves to throw herself into any body of water. And oftentimes it's not just like, oh, we're in the tropical location, this is like a relaxing body of water. It's like we're in the middle of Africa and it's night and there's this crazy lake and she's afraid there might be snakes in it, and she

It's not like she's prepared.

She's not in a bathing Then she likes to she likes to seek out scary bodies of water and then face her fear and go into them.

Jumping off high things. But this was you remember, this was when we've been to Africa twice and we took my her grandparents on this one trip and my dad literally said, I will pay you money to not get in that body of like I'm on this ship.

Little show called Desperate.

That counted, But you didn't stop you. You went in and she kept her socks on. She said she was that was the kind of barrier.

Cart was, Yeah, it was. But I also, you know, I once went to like a survival camp sort of situation where you know, you have to build shelters and learn navigation and kayak for miles and eat crickets and squirrels and whatever again crazy and people said like, why why are you doing that?

Is it for TV?

And I say, no, it's because I like to put myself in these uncomfortable position positions and see if I can survive.

What do you feel like you learn on the other side of that. I'm curious.

That's interesting, and I'm sure it is going to lead us back to the characters and Desperate Housewives. You know, what are they learning? I feel like maybe I'm learning that I can do hard things. Maybe I'm checking off bucket list things. I do think that I am a like life. Like right now, you can't see me, but I'm taking my hands. I'm like, you know, grabbing like the air, like I just I want to just get a hold of it and like try to experience it all.

I think.

My understanding of fearlessness in general has shifted over the past few years. And I used to interpret it as being someone who's not afraid versus someone like you who recognizes the fear but doesn't let it stop them from doing the thing. And since I retrained my brain to understand what I think fearlessness is, I have become a lot more fearless.

I love them, and that feels good.

I love that so much.

But so I love this episode.

I love this episode.

Oh, I love this episode so much.

I cannot wait to talk about it.

There were so many iconic moments. I mean, potentially one of your most iconic moments, one.

Of the serious most I would say iconic moments. I didn't realize it happened so early on, I.

Know remembered that it had. Well, Okay, we'll get to that later in the store. Okay, we'll get to that. Well.

We start off with Mary Alice obviously narrating again from the other side or beyond the grave, and I love that she says she talks about in the eternity it's best to travel light. Me too, and actually thinking about our travels, I immediately thought of you, mom, and.

Now you're yeah. And she literally can shove two weeks of going to Paris in a tiny.

I'm a carry on.

Persons insane and it's almost like a clown car. Like you get somewhere with her and she opens it and she just has like fabulously like whatever whatever outfit that's where we probably come out of.

The suitcase's like where is it all covered?

It's such a skill, though, and once you get once you're like, I'm a carry on person lifestyle, it's very hard.

To check a bag.

Ever again, I'm I'm getting better. The last two you are actually are gone on. I haven't packed, like and it's because I went to went through one too many experiences of losing my luggage.

Like having it And I have to say, I do get that panic when I check something and then I'm waiting for it to even if I don't even care about what's in there, even if I've been like hiking for two weeks. Yeah, I go, oh my god, it is a bag gone. Am I not going to find what's in the back?

You know? Do you have one trick of how to not be a chronic overpacker?

Yes?

Actually I do.

The one trick is if you can just bring one pair of shoes that go with all of your outfits and you wear them on the plane, then you can fit everything else.

But that's the rule for me, is that like you have to have at least too so that you can rotate them so your feet don't get sore if you're walking, if you're in a really.

Wear plane and bring one.

Yeah, sometimes you could wear you know, you could wear sneaker or boot on the plane and then you could fit like a little sandal or a little ballet hat in the bag. But sometimes if I travel somewhere in the winter, I'll just wear a great pair of boots that I love, and that's with everything. Yeah, well you always look chic and put together flattered.

Well, I am going back to uh Mary Alice and being incinerated, and how great was the shot and the edit of going from that to the smoke coming out of the chimney. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's just again I want to back up and and and applaud the neighborhood as a character. I cannot believe how this show is shot. It is just so gorgeous and it is the editing is so amazing. I just I sort of sit there in awe when I'm watching it. I mean,

Oh my god.

Yeah, I'm the use of color when you come into the neighborhood. And then again in the flashbacks. I actually noted that downhill everything becomes more muted in hindsight, and then we're back into the present day.

And asked in that early flashback where you, you know, Mary Alice opens the door and we're on you in present time, and then she opens the door, the camera turned, you know, reverses and you see it's Mary Alice, and we realize we're in a flashback, and then.

You guys are all at the table together.

I was so struck by the presence of Mary Alice in that scene as one of the women, like what dynamic isn't there amongst the rest of you that she provided And I was just I really thought it was nice seeing her with all of you in that way and seeing that she sort of filled this space of being steadfast and confident, and it definitely did not feel like she was hiding anything, Like I can understand why you guys, as her friends, were like, why the hell did you know?

Did this happen? And why did she do that? It is such a mess, just seems so steady.

And also the idea that you would plan a dinner, you know, they find that this dinner in their calendar.

I caught that mistake, did you?

Guys?

Can tell me?

So? On the newspaper that Susan is reading, yes, it says it's the fifteenth and that and and the line that is that that that reminded her, And so she goes to the calendar and then they go to the table where you're talking about, Yeah, and she says that dinner is going to be on the sixteenth.

But do you think it reminds her that dinner's the fat Well, I guess you're right.

It doesn't make no I think it all takes place on the same day. But maybe it doesn't. Maybe you're right, maybe I got it wrong.

But I also like maybe a good detective Terry. But I also like that we're clearly in real time, like the newspaper says October fifteenth, two thousand and four, and this episode aired October seventeenth, two thousand and four.

Oh my gosh, whoa. I love that I did not pick that up at Allah. In terms of.

Things that were missing, Yes, which I noticed after this flashback, after we realized that she set the state for dinner and then died. And it's you know, who would think to set a dinner if you had plans to die?

Yeah? Where did Lynette's baby go?

I know, where is the baby?

Where is does the baby? I haven't watched the show. Does the baby come back?

Well, I guess we're not that.

I'm I'm worried about where is this baby?

The baby takes a lot of now, baby.

Takes the back. Someone did put baby in a corner.

We sort of skipped over the iconic Brie ruining the couch to make it less and less comfortable. Manipulate her words. I really am. I'm empathizing, and I'm loving the dynamic of this marriage. That's falling apart, and the therapy scenes, and uh, the way both of these actors are are performing this, I just I'm I just love it. I couldn't. I couldn't. I also felt, did you guys feel this was the first episode that the men the husband's really popped out for me?

Later in the episode, yeah.

And all of them, and I want to I'm so curious. It made me. I felt for the actors. I mean, for Ricardo to have to play a character that is so abusive, you know, and threatening. What did that feel like for Doug, who I am. I am sure in his real life is not so flippantly completely clueless as to what his wife might be going through.

But you know, there was just I just really felt like I.

Saw them stand out in their specific personality and character development. And I got very excited about the men.

I was really interesting.

I agree.

I was really interested in what you were saying about Breede when she comes downstairs early and she wakes Rex up, and she says, you know, get up. I don't want to see how the kids see you sleeping on the couch. And for me, that's where I kind of felt like the Pretty Little Picture title came in this idea of the lengths we go to to keep up appearances, and what is the importance of keeping up appearances? You know, do you side Rex that kind of feels like, you

Or Bree, who.

Maybe goes to the opposite end of the extreme of saying, I don't want anyone to even have the slightest whiff that anything is going on between us, which of course then becomes suspicious.

Yeah, this jumps off into I think a pretty significant problem we're still having in society with with you know, social media as an example right now, that everyone is portraying these fake, perfect lives and it is really hurting people. It's hurting young people because they don't have the experience to be able to differentiate, to be able to say that's probably not real, or you know, they just intellectualize that,

Everything is front facing, like it used to be that certain industries were front facing and there and if you elected to go into that field, you kind of knew that that was a part of it, like in our you know, and for us, for you and me as performers, we kind of know that that's part of the game. But now that there's such a presence online for anyone and everyone, there is just this this difference in how we care about perception and obviously that you know, there's a.

Lot to talk about that, I mean, and it's real. Look at the Coldplay incident, you know that happened like a while ago. I mean, those two people's lives were absolutely derailed.

Totally, absolutely, And also in terms of everyone having a phone, most people having social media, yeah, I mean almost everybody. It's one of the reasons that I mean I have an Instagram, but I do not have it on my phone, and I have recently stopped pretty much for the most part, posting on there. And I was talking to my friend about my decision to delete it off my phone and say, for all you know, what's the expression all intents and purposes?

Yeah?

Wait, intense intense like intention, intense and purpose purposes.

Yeah, for all intents and purposes.

But it does wrong.

Yeah.

I was like, here, I'm going to go mispronounce this right now in the middle of talking on the podcast, but thank you, Andrew. No, for all intents and purposes, I feel like I don't have an Instagram right now. And I was talking to my friend about why I got rid of it, and I said, you know, honestly, I am and I don't even post that much comparative to a lot of people who do. But I was like, I'm really tired of this idea of an alternate version of my life and image of myself that I am

Children, yeah, as opposed to just being in her day.

And I think the the crux of it for her is that of course she can't hide it from her children, right and we know that Andrew clearly always know everything right away, Yeah, they have children, and yeah, yeah, And I think that even though she's trying so hard to control the situation and to protect her kids and protect the image that she so you know, curates, it's it's

But because you know, at its time, you know, first of all, there was a lot of it was reality shows was what was really dominating television, and and but this kind of like campy satire and almost like that the way Mark used the expression of housewives to sort of crack open that there's like this dark place underneath where all isn't exactly as it appears. And I do think that that shame is still real.

It's the idea of what is behind the veneer. Even more so maybe now today was at the time, and so you.

Can come watch this show now. And even though it is it's in this tone of a little bit over the top, it's still it still reaches you, it still touches.

You on a much more superficial note. I also will say that I've been noticing that a lot of the fashion is not entirely like it's aged.

Well y TWK is coming back.

I A lot of outfits are pretty cute.

I like them, Oh my god, and the hair sweaters.

There's a scene with you anyway, Yeah, I agree, And I was wondering if you felt like red jeans.

I mean, come on, I don't know.

I think it works to come too feels or yeah wear wearing Oh, I mean, it's what they're looking for in Crossroads and like going through the thrift start.

Another thing that happened in this episode is we meet Carl.

Oh my god, Richard. It was so great.

Okay, so when we get to that scene more, but I do I I had a question for you. There was it back just in the in the and these are little moments, but because we're here in that newspaper scene where they were I first have a noteb thing and you reach over and you wipe the food from my cheek, I was, do you remember did you come up with that idea?

Did I come up with that idea? Was that in the script?

Like so I wrote just because I was also so curious about this moment. I wrote, Julie wiping Susan's face while eating breakfast. I don't remember if that was scripted or behavior that Terry and I came up with.

Because we were proud of this moment.

This was such great physical behavior. It's such a small, little moment, but again, it really established the dynamic between the two of us. And it's not all it's not verbal, it's just a little.

I feel like it might have been me.

Yeah, and the.

Confident it wasn't in the script. I mean, we try to go back and look, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't. But I feel like I was always trying to find nonscripted like like I was mentioning in the other episode, the thing of where I pulled the sweater over my for us because I'm embarrassed in comparison that my boobs aren't as good as Eadie's booths.

Uh.

I feel like I was always trying to find things, So maybe that was me.

I think it.

Probably was it.

But I love that. I just love her.

I know you. But but here's the thing. I was like an old actress, like I should have been. I mean, if I was good, I should have been good. So there's just I don't get any extra credit, but you I don't.

We're a kid, and you were just she's amazing you are. And obviously we're only three episodes.

I have notes.

I have notes for myself.

You know.

It's kind of weird, right, Like getting to do this experience with you guys is so fun, and I'm watching it so much more as a viewer than I am as someone who was a participant of the show. I've thought about so much, how and you know, when we first sat down to record our first episode, how you were talking about like, I can't believe I got to

But I really feel that way as well. When I watch it, I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe I was in this.

But but I definitely watch it as a viewer and not as much. But every now and again I'll be like, oh, I have an actor note for younger and but it's but it's sweet and it's great, and thank you for that.

Okay, So another beautiful shot of Warria Lane was the paper route that got the kid running through. I'm just not going to get off the newspaper part of this story. It's a big part at the beginning. But like, so I had a paper route as a kid. Did you have a paper route? Right?

Okay?

And you didn't.

Certainly not in studio.

No, I definitely had one where you would get up and that was a real thing. You drive your bike around at four in the morning and throw.

You delivered papers. I really did you had a paper route. I had a paper route.

That's how I made money when I was like, for you, probably twelve, and I had like a banana seat bicycle with the little purple almost like the one that Gabby buys for the black failing blackmailer failer.

I totally should we just talk about it now.

So you've got Brion Rex in marriage counsel. You've got Lynette and Tom. You've got Tom who is is You've got Lynette who's pushed to her limits and dealing with her crazy kids, and right, so we don't know what, but all the sort of shame of that, and also Tom really not showing up in any reasonable way.

And then yeah, you have Susan.

Well, you have Susan who gets confronted with the girlfriend and what did you think of that can kicking moment?

Well, I what do you also think?

Because like your mom, yes, okay, when your dad started dating, somebody did I I mean, I'm sure I did.

I don't know.

It's very hard to be the the the ex and it was hard for me to watch that. I mean, in hindsight, I'm so happy your dad is happy, and I'm and they're happy and it's great, but it is everybody moves on at different paces. And you know, in the story of Desperate Housewives, I think Susan had been divorced.

A year, which feels like a short amount, which.

Feels kind of like a short time. But I think that first moment when you start getting introduced to the new girlfriend or the new wife, you know, people don't talk about this enough. And I am willing if our viewers are interested in like they want, they want to hear more about this. I think it's an incredibly vulnerable tightrope balancing act whatever, especially when there's a child involved, where you're giving up control that maybe you don't want

It certainly did. And what was your takeaway? Was she an asshole or not?

I mean, I I feel lucky that you never kicked any hands around, that's what you think, at least not directly. And also we never did custody day switches in front of the house, so maybe the opportunity just didn't really present itself. I feel like I was dropped off at school and then picked up after school, but with Susan and Brandy, and for Brandy when she finally tries to talk to Susan, mispronounces her last night to.

Have a counter like you need to have a Meyer being pronounced wrong, I think we're at meer Mayor.

I think I think Edy pronounced it wrong. Yeah in another episode.

No, I mean, I mean a public opinion might decide it's mayor.

Yeah, I about the two people who are in the family.

I really do think people people I think mayor would be the vote.

So I guess it's okay.

I'm going to stick to my are just out of respect, which is something that feels like Susan is certainly not given. In this scene when Brandy throws her soda can.

And I feel Brandy comes off.

Which I think is intentional. So much younger, yeah than Susan. I mean, she almost feels like a teenager level of behavior. And it's so catty because in you know, if you're going to think about it in these terms, she's one. You know, She's Carl Ray are together. Why are you now throwing your trash at the woman that Carl left to be with you? So I and it's not just because you're my mom. I think I side with Susan in this moment when she doesn't, you know, I don't

Not on the freeway, but you know that there's only two things you could throw out of your without getting arrested. Or water.

Water not ice.

It's feathers, feathers and water.

And it's because chicken truck crazy. No chicken trucks that transport chickens would have so many feathers flying off.

Yet, but that it couldn't be That sounds great, but.

I know I do.

I love this moment because I feel for Susan. I feel like we empathize with her, and then she takes it a little too far.

Maybe they both put the moment where he says the checks and the mail and then you're standing by the mailbox and you look in the mail and you say.

No, he's not so good, so good, and then she of course, then she gets caught by Mike.

And I think that is a genious button to that scene that we.

Embarrassment and she says later, you know, I feel so stupid that I acted like that, and I don't act like that around anybody, but Carl. You know, have you guys ever do you have that does that feel familiar to you that there's one person that can really push your button?

There are people in my life that push my buttons, and you know, it's like they just have the key, whatever the key is to that part of me that they get sadly or gets you know, gets under my skin.

I mean, see, I've removed most of those people. That's just aging, is that you know that they get they go by the wayside sooner.

Or later or just we're still here.

We've made the cut.

Yes, yeah, thank goodness.

But yeah, I also just because we're I think right after that scene we get a glimpse of I really appreciate these little one off moments that we get when we see just like a smaller coupling of the of the women together, like the scene with Susan and Lynette. Yes, And I think that's when you say I hate behaving that way. He just he brings it out of me and I hate that. And I I loved getting a little insight into their individual dynamic and I love it

I love that too, And I actually I really liked that idea of what they're connecting over because Lynette is obviously, like you know, at her wits end with her husband not acknowledging everything that she does, and Susan's just been at her wits end with her ex husband and his new girlfriend. And they have this connection over living with bitterness, you know, like not wanting to be the type of people that hang on to bitterness, except they do accept

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I've had some big things in my life that have have really amounted to a serious amount of hurt feelings, bitter feelings, I guess. And you know, this is a funny thing that I that I have have taken to doing that. And I have a friend who has an issue with her neighbor, So I'll use that as an example, like over a fence line, you know. And I think this is actually not that uncommon, like

I really love that you can try.

That's great advice.

Thank you, Okay, and real daughter, that's great.

So now let's get to Gabby.

You're speaking of your neighbor people that you can't get rid of.

That quick pan over to those that little girl's face in the window, Oh that girl, she was so perfect. And I really truly didn't remember any of this, So I actually initially wrote down like who is that child?

Did you look at it? No?

But I meant in the context of the show, like I was like, who is that I was as jumped as Gabby and John as to like, who is this person who's spying on them?

And the fear I have no recollection by the way of them being in multiple episodes, so I don't know. They yeah, kind of like their new neighbors, and you're like where I think they're hanging out with somewhere.

Like kind of vaguely behind the bushes, to the side of Gabby's house. You kind of see them go back there.

I have a question.

Okay, so I had a question for both of you about this takeaway. I'm I'm sort of grappling with about interpreting Gabrielle's character. So you know, there's in this episode we're kind of faced again with the fact that she's covering up this affair she's having right with.

A child, by the way, who's in algebra classes. Oh my god, I again, I'm sorry, I have to again. I wrote I wrote down all caps. Oh MFG. Question, our question, our exclamation point. The Gabby John relationship is just so problematic. I don't know what else to say.

I know, I know he's in algebra class and on the soccer and then he's later yeah, on the track field.

And yeah, I know it's it's that's he has tube socks.

Yeah, she wants she wants him to leave.

His gym clothes on, you know, it's all you really.

Yeah.

But I'm wondering because we're seeing this side, and I know we can talk more about the specifics, about the way the husband's characters are more defined this episode, and I think that we've shared this. I didn't remember feeling like Carlos was as threatening as he is. Yeah, and he really is, and he's a very domineering, you know, presence.

But do we think that.

She is afraid of losing her lifestyle more or afraid of her husband?

Hmmm.

Wow, that's an interesting question.

Because I've been trying to think about it because I don't know that I have an answer yet. I feel like she is so strong with him, you know, and she pushes back so much to him, she doesn't necessarily clue him in that she would be afraid of him. So then that makes me think, oh, well, maybe it's more that she has set herself up to live this life that she thought she wanted and now she's afraid of what it looks like if it all goes away.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like that has been my instinct with her character. Was also that she has this

I don't know if I'm just like Pollyanna or whatever, but I think it was the pilot where there was a flashback to when those two characters met and when he asked her to marry him, like on the third day. Yeah, and how giddily excited she was that I I want to believe that she really did fall in love with him, and and that maybe the stuff was great, but that that she really did think that she was in love with him, that it wasn't just like a gold digger,

I'm so excited to see how their relationship evolves, because, like I said, I didn't remember this part of him, and so I think you might be onto something that I was.

Really struck by how much the Carlos character, the threateningness of him, and how that's adding up right, you know, always looking for the little nitpicky stuff, you know. I don't really remember that. But then this is part of the I think I brought this up before. I'm not in it all, and you know, and so this part of the story is like watching a show I'm not in. Like I wasn't there when they shot that. I don't

Yeah, yeah, I'm curious.

Okay, So now I think we have to talk about the iconic scene.

Yes, a little girl, the little Girls bribe, she gets her by Yabby runs along, godles her.

Yeah, the most iconic moment. I just have to say I have had questions about this.

I know, I mean I was like, I know this, I know what's about to happen. I feel like I visited set the day that you filmed something involving duct tape.

Yes, yeah, yeah, I'll talk about that, but it is I think in my career the idea of being real and spectacular from being Jerry Seinfeld's girlfriend and this moment, they really are. Like I think if you're looking at spectacular television moments like this has got to be one of them.

I mean the comedic time.

It's so choreographed, which obviously your background isn't dance. You are so good at nailing that timing.

The side stepping, the little side stepping to the side.

Had me just dying.

I mean, I had remembered how great it was, but there's no way, you know, to really get it until you're watching it again. You are so funny, you are so good, and it's so earned because you're just you're feeling so high and mighty, you know, like you are the moral high ground and you are standing there and you you know you've got the power, and then he just strips it, literally strips it from you in like an instant.

And it was a great scene. I mean, this is why you become an actress, like and this is why a nod to the writing, you know, like.

This, do you remember reading the scene? Oh yeah.

And the thing is when you're thinking about this as an actress, you're thinking about this build. This starts at the dining table. This scene starts at the dining room table, you know, like like where just that that vulnerable thing of like I'm gonna try to be a good human being. I'm going to try to do the big thing. I'm really gonna do it. Oh, this is where I wanted

Wants what the heart wants?

Like it was just a thing that nobody could go and Richard's thing that he would do with his body. He was always like he would stick his hand up his shirt and he was always like it was just he I mean, he just brought it. And so anyways, my point is the whole payoff to the outside naked stuff is all started at that bat kitchen table. And as an actress, you're thinking, if I don't do this right, then none of this is going to be funny, like like like yeah, and and and it is like, I mean,

Like you said, you know, and even him showing up when you told him, like, hey, when you drop her off tomorrow, you know, and he just walks over all your boundaries. He just feel like tears into your life and then you know, and so yeah, by the time you get to that point.

It's just it's so good. The payoff is so good, and you are so so good.

The physicality of it was what you're remembering about the duct tape, so tell us about So. I think that they had gotten for some reason, we had gotten a new wardrobe person that day. Her name was Susan. She was lovely, she was with the show for the whole time. I just I love and adore her. She'd been to my house many time for parties, and I would give anything for the crew. And I think they knew that

But you do see when you're leaning out from that whole.

But if I had born underwear.

You you, they would have had to shoot around it, would.

Have around it. And I just think, so what we did is we put kleenex over like the nipples and over like the other parts, the other bits, and then we put duct tape over the kleenex so that it just went basically like a strip, you know, like a tiny strip and a tiny other strip. And and I.

Mean, how was that on there?

That Cleenextut Country shot that scene for probably at least six hours because it's a lot of sides of the house, and I mean, it was the whole day, really, and I do remember the whole backs of my legs from falling in the bushes were like cut up and bruised up. But you know, you don't feel any of that when you're doing it. You're just so in it. And there was a stunt girl who probably did the main fall into the bushes, even though I'm sure I did some version of it.

I'm sure you did. You always did. I always did your stuff.

But they definitely had a stunt person and.

Uh yeah, she's also wearing Kleenex and doctor.

That I don't remember. She just did the falling in the bushes, But I kind of have this loose memory. This would be a good question for a crew member for Paul.

We've talked about Paul.

I feel like I remember the crew sort of like applauding the whole thing, like when we finished the whole thing, it was this is another like fun history of of behind the scenes. It's like that is a collaboration with the steady cam operator, with the props department, with the wardrobe department, with the lighting department. You know, you can't do that by yourself, and you can have these and obviously the director, you can have these ideas, but you know,

Yeah.

So it's really neat that I get to have a lifetime where I have that as one of my memories. Yeah, and that have in this episode and it was probably one of the best scenes I ever did in seven years.

Yeah, yeah, I mean it's really amazing. I watched it a few times.

I just thought it is I mean, because it was it was this beautifully choreographed dance.

And Mike showing up.

At the end also so funny, right, because we know where things are on the set, right, so like, I know where he.

Found you, and I'm thinking, why was Mike walking on the side of the house, you know, from a viewers.

I think though, it's because he went and tried the front door and it was locked and nobody answered, and so he probably hadn't.

Been able to reach you to say I want to come to dinner. That's probably why, And so really he was did you know what there? That's you being another that's you being a good actor again. Yeah, and then him finding you and then you know, you crossing your legs it's all just so funny.

I had a sex dream the other night. It was the first one I'd had in a long time.

Oh my god, we've gone totally off the rail.

Terry's revealing.

I was really happy to have it because I have them often, like.

A good one, yesh with who it was?

Not anybody I knew. It was a man that would have been like appropriately my age, A handsome man, a handsome one who was kind of like weathered wrinkles, but like still handsome, but like appropriate, like somebody I would date, but like completely not a movie starter.

You've actually seen this person before. Sometimes I wonder if the strangers that appear in our dreams are like people we've seen on the street and clocked.

And you are an appropriately aged, handsome man with a weathered face.

Find my mother.

Write in beautiful note because she's waiting for you.

Because I have duct tape. Okay, so it's just amazing. Then I think we have to build to what I've brought here today.

Yes, then they do go to dinner that none of I just I loved that none of the husbands want to go to this dinner. Yeah, and all the women, Yes, of course we're going to do this. We're going to do this in her honor. We all want to go, and every single one of the husband's in their own way, except of course Mike, who's excited just to be with Susan and he's not a husband yet they all don't want to go. And I thought this was such an interesting split of the masculine versus the feminine.

Yeah, I love a dinner.

Party, and I feel like a lot of my male or more masculine identifying friends also love a dinner party, but there is a kind of different excitement amongst my girlfriends.

Well, I have a book club that's all women and we love getting together. And you know me, I throw a lot of parties. Yes, I feel like that's been one of my identities.

Is party throw is an amazing person and I love.

Cooking meals for people. So it is funny. I really in my real life, I am sort of a combination of Breed and Susan. I think i'm and maybe I'm a combination of all of these.

Well, you also definitely have the Lynette. I mean, at least the working at the time that she was working for a.

Like breadwinner or whatever. Well, so all of our characters find themselves at this dinner.

At another iconic scene another except except for Paul, Well Paul.

And uh and Tom. Yeah he has to stay.

On he stays home with the sugar.

And who looks beautiful at that dress.

I thought she was great in that dress.

Another timeless, you know moment of fashion from the show.

Always jealous of people like you Emerson that can wear that have like little breasts and you can wear those backs. I would like, I I honestly. But the spectacular yeah, but a huge part they're not really real and spectacular. I mean, they are really real, but they're certainly not spectacular even I'm not sure they ever were spectacular, certainly not out of a brawl. They might have been spectacular in a bra, but they've never been spectacular out of

I have to say, I have a friends, I have friends who felt self conscious about being flat chested, and I never did because growing up with you, you always said, I'm so jealous, you can wear the message.

So that was actually a good body image thing.

I think it was. It was a very good body That's great.

Because usually moms like crush their their tea.

I love it.

Yeah, but this scene, Yes.

So what I've made here, this is a vegan carrot ginger soup. Wow, it's really delicious. I I'm going to serve it to you with a little bit of coconut cream and chopped parsley over the top.

This is a soup that.

No one eats. So much tension at this table that the soup just sits there being lovely, but we're going to eat it.

This is this really is the dinner party from hell in the sense of the silence around the table and everyone kind of trying. And then I love I love the moment of shared humanity that happens before Brie completely you know it says what she says about Rat.

To go back just a bit, because I want to say, like, the reason that this is the tension so thick is because Brie has made this big deal to her husband about keeping their secret that they're.

In marriage with Tennis lessons.

They have the facade up about they go to tennis lessons. She brings her tennis gear to therapy, which is hysterical, and so she's made a big point to Rex about we're not talking about this. You're not going to drink because you get loose lipped, and it's our secret.

And she has that one amazing one liner when she goes, my backhand is improving immensely, but you're still having trouble with your serfs.

Yes, do I just get to say, Marsha, Marsha Marshall. I just to not get over her comedic delivery on some of these things.

That was my favorite line.

Yeah, I know, it's so so great, and so again just like sums up their dynamic. He's like, of course, of course that would be the backstory you come up with for us. So then cut to him at the dinner party talking to Carlos. Carlos does that thing which everyone hates when you're trying to lie and someone just keeps asking you questions and you have to recommit to

Right, he drops that tray of these little cucumbers go everywhere.

And so now we're sitting at the dinner table and Susan's the one to break the tension by her camaraderie and sharing her story.

And yes, and then and then Lynette follows with an amazing story about how her and her husband got kicked off of the Mister Toad's Wild Ride, which I love that.

Yeah, you brot on that.

Oh my god, Yeah, that ridland. Honestly, that was one of my favorite rides growing up.

And it's very it's very steamy and hot because.

You go to Hell Point. I mean, this ride is definitely weird.

Oh I think they might have already gone. I'm not sure. I was just there.

I feel like we were there like a year or so ago and it was still there, Okay, And many people say this is their favorite ride. But you you get into a car, you're mister Toad, You're wreaking havoc, you're getting drunk, You drive onto a train track.

You after causing a lot of may you.

Get hit by a train, and then you come to in Hell because that's the end of the ride. You go through Hell and then you come out and the ride's.

Over and getting it on and on in there.

Well, it seems like a ride where people have gotten it off.

I mean, yeah, there is. It is amazing.

There and if you do the wrong thing, you probably do get purp walked down main Street like those characters did. But I don't think it stopped. I'm sure there's percentage of people that have done that. So they did that. And then Gary talks about breaking a water bread. You know my parents had water bread.

Oh my god, really was their seventies.

My parents had a big, giant, king sized.

Water crazy that someone created a waterbed and the country was like, yep.

The standard hotel used to have those waterbeds that were in the dome up on the rooftop along the pool.

It was like a white dome and there was a.

Waterbed inside instead of the cabanas or something.

It was crazy.

So this is all leading to share.

Softens.

Well, it feels like, okay, amazing, they've saved this. Everyone was vulnerable. We got pretty pictures. They're all sharing humiliating stories. And then Andrew do you want.

To say it?

I would like you to say it.

Oh great, I really my love it for that one. And then says that Rex cries after he comes that well, he actually says after he ejaculates.

You know.

I remember, Okay, so obviously when we shot, you know, the first season, I was fourteen by this point, and so my parents would read the scripts too. It wasn't just me who would read them. And I remember my dad coming into the kitchen after reading that and he was, I mean, he thought it was so funny and he was so shocked that they were saying this on network TV.

Wow.

Yeah, And he was and my dad's like not.

Easily flappable, like he's he's hip, he's cool, he's not like a prude or anything, but he was just he thought it was so amazing, amazing.

Yeah, And that.

Was some definite boundary pushing.

I mean, wow, he like pushed back at all.

They probably did, probably did, which we you know, we'd have to ask Mark.

I would imagine still today.

I mean, I was just on a notes call today about a project I'm writing, and we were talking about how there's one scene where, for one second I wrote that a character comes out and joins another character on the porch and lights a cigarette. And the producer's note was, oh, make sure you don't have any smoking because we just don't want to have to deal with the studio notes on this for this.

Type of wow.

And it's fascinating how pervasive the attention to certain moments like that, right still is. So to think about saying something like ejaculate is really I can only imagine.

I mean, but also I mean it is so explosive, so boundary breaking, but also like, can you think of anything that would have been.

More humiliated humiliated.

To him than that to him?

In particularly Yeah, I mean it apps, I mean, it just like cuts through every piece of everything.

It's just such a it's like it's.

Such a powerful moment because it's so funny, it's so shocking, and it also for their individual characters, like him, the way that that would wound him, but her taking taking a moment to say something that biting and that it does, it does break her facade a little bit, like the way that she is because of herself, is not someone who would say something like that, right, So, like, so much happens, so much.

Is charged in yeah, Yeah, she is still deflecting away from herself. You know, she is still not owning owning something she's done.

That's right, they're humanizing themselves to her to try to make her feel better about being in marriage counseling. And instead of her going like, oh yeah, well, thank you guys for you know, doing that, she punches with that and it is just.

Yeah, it's interesting, it's interesting.

She's got guns. Oh man, yeah, metaphor I know, oh my god, that ner a line and the other episode, yeah, for episode one was hilarious. And so then right after this, she steals mary Alice's tape.

Well she yeah, she goes to her therapist and she finds she's looking for her husband's tape again, crossing another boundary finds mary Alice, and she's.

So horrible and desperate to use the word but in that scene of like I need you to tell me what it is, like what can I do?

You know? And then she is like I can't.

Yeah, well yeah, and I mean as a good therapist.

Yeah. And then Paul puts the house up for sale, and then Lynette asks are we happy? And I think, like, that's just you know, as we kind of wrap this up with our carrot ginger soup, but we're.

Very well, we will actually do that.

I mean that I wonder if in relationships, like I'm not in a relationship, but like I do sometimes say to you, like, are we good? Like sometimes I'll just say that, you know, like not like.

My girlfriend sometimes she always says, I say it completely out of the blue.

We're having a fantastic tag do you love me? Very happy with me?

And I guess there there should be room in a relationship to just take the pulse of totally of it. And I think if you, I think the fear is if you don't take the pulse periodically, something is going to get away from you.

And also different people have different metrics for what happy is, and so you know you're in a marriage, it's a collective relationship, but there's two individuals with their own things going on, and so the need to check in and say, like, hey, how are we as a unit? I think is vital to the health of a relationship. But also such a vulnerable moment for Minette.

And it takes a lot to bring back what you were saying at the beginning of this episode, this theme of living in fear and what do we live in fear? It takes a lot of bravery to ask the question are we happy? And to open the door to what that answer might be, you know, and we end on the image of Paul putting the first sale sign up in his house. It's like the complete opposite of looking at what's going on underneath. He's trying to run away from.

It and doing it under the cloak of darkness.

You know, you guys are all in bed, and then it's it's kind of everyone hearing that same clunk clunk, sum.

Yeah, just another banger of an episode.

I know, my god, I can't wait to see what happens next.

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