Bill Abbott

I used to believe that , but now I believe that they need to see that you're magic , and so for me , right away , 30 . You're magic , and so for me , right away , 30 seconds in . They're seeing something right away and , as , as we know as magicians who've been , if you perform for a while , a vanished bottle , a vanish without the reappearance , bothers people .

I will have people at the end of the show , after seeing you know a varied list of maybe 15 tricks , will come back and say , but where did that champagne bottle go ? It still bothers them , which I like . I don't mind that . A lot of magicians like well , you need the denouement where you produce it at the end . I don't agree with that .

I feel like this this gets their attention , holds their attention and they're instantly off . We're instantly off to the races .

He is a prolific inventor of magic . He's been around this scene for a very long time . Some of the biggest tricks that you've probably heard of , especially for stage and parlor . You know he is master of pack small , plays big . Biggest tricks that you've probably heard of , especially for stage and parlor .

Um , you know he is master of pack small , plays big , and I think what , what bill's done with his creations over the years is he's made it so accessible to everyone . I mean smart ass , which I'm sure will be on his list . It has to be in in some capacity .

You know I I wonder how many hundreds of performers around the world perform that week in , week out ? Um , and if they haven't , then they , they will in the future . It'll be something that'll be around for forever . Anyway , enough of me babbling about how awesome he is , because we're gonna hear how awesome he is with his list .

Ladies and gentlemen , this is mr bill abbott . Hello , bill . Hello , I feel weird calling you Bill Abbott . I feel like I should call you Mr Abbott or something more formal Sir Abbott . Yes , sir Abbott , there you go . We need to have , yeah , why don't we have , like Magic Royalty , where people are knighted ?

Particularly because your career is so diverse , it must have been quite difficult getting everything down just to eight pieces of magic not at all .

Yes , there's a million tricks I could have put on , but these were the eight that I knew . Well , anyways , these are the ones I'd wanted in my desert island Amazing .

Are there people ? That sort of stuff we do not mind . It's all about the ultimate list of tricks that Bill could not live without . That being said , we're going to jump on whatever form of transport you would like to get to your island , bill , and we're going to find out what's in your first position . So the first thing , I do .

So that's the vibe that I would like to experience and to perform for these random natives that are living on this island . And my very first trick would be my champagne opener . Uh , this is not something I've released publicly or you know , or on the magic market , but it is essentially a vanishing bottle opener .

And the reason I and I've been opening with it for only about a year and a half maybe . Uh , especially at my weekly gig at the magic hideaway in in st augustine , florida , I opened with this because it gets attention right away . Um , the premise is that I'm going to give away this bottle of champagne .

So , uh , and I've used various ruses , whether it's um , we're celebrating my birthday . Hey , we're celebrating , you know it's . It's . We're celebrating my birthday . Hey , we're celebrating , you know it's . It's the weekend .

We're going to celebrate whatever , but the excuse is that and because of that , you know , in , in , in partnership with the hotel , we are giving away this beautiful bottle of champagne thanks to the bar , and this is the . This is the game . The game is this I want I'm going to think of a wild animal on the count of three .

You're all going to yell at the wild animal you think I'm thinking of . Whoever gets , whoever gets it right , gets to take home the bubbly , and we have a to go bag because it's Florida . So then I put the champagne bottle in the bag and I count to three . They all yell at the wild animal . They , you know , they think I'm thinking of .

I pause a beat and then I crumple the bag and say I'm sorry I didn't hear it , and I throw it away , and and then my tagline usually is like you know , there's no pain , like champagne , I probably just saved you all from a hangover , that type of thing . So that's , that's the that's .

And so , right away , I guess what I've learned in the past , even in the past couple of years , is like For me and for the magic shows that I , that I've witnessed and being a part of that work , magic has to happen in the first 30 seconds . Now I know we've been taught like they need to get to know you . They need to .

You know you need to have a diatribe for a monologue for the first five minutes so they know who you are .

I used to believe that , but now I believe that they need to see that you're magic and so for me , right away , 30 seconds in , they're seeing something right away and as , as we know as magicians who've been , if you perform for a while , a vanished bottle , a vanish without the reappearance , bothers people .

I will have people at the end of the show , after seeing you know a varied list of maybe 50 tricks , will come back and say but where did that champagne bottle go ? It still bothers them , which I like . I don't mind that . A lot of magicians like well , you need the denouement where you produce it at the end . I don't agree with that .

I feel like this gets their attention , holds their attention and we're instantly off to the races .

The other thing I will add is when it disappears or when I say someone's going to get to win this bottle of champagne , I will get a shout , I'll get woo , you know , you know somebody , you know usually a lady or whatever will be like yay , or something like that , and then my tagline like you know my , I will have a various , you know , improv lines , but

one will be . Well , we found , we found the alcoholic in the group or something like that , something , something along those lines , obviously without being too harsh , but but the idea that the interaction is instant as well .

And , as we know , once you get an audience physically and verbally involved with the show , the faster you can do that , at the very beginning of the of the of your show , the more they will be apt to respond , whether it's verbally , to a trick , physically helping you as a volunteer participating .

So right away they're thinking of a wild animal , they're yelling out their wild animal and they're , they're mentally and physically involved , verbally involved , which from for me that's really important , not only in the first 30 seconds but in the first five minutes .

I want everyone really which leads into the next effect , obviously , but , but that's the idea is that within 30 seconds .

But in the first five minutes I want everyone really which leads into the next effect , obviously , but , but that's the idea is that within 30 seconds they're seeing magic and they're , you know , mentally and physically and verbally involved yeah , it's a perfect , absolutely perfect opener um , and one thing that's just occurred to me is I think you're probably our first

guest who has actually done a , a structured list from closer , opener , that sort of thing .

very quickly . I wanted to say that champagne opener . The other reason it works well is because it's a macro effect , is this is what um bob cassidy would call a macro effect . A micro effect is something that happens on one or two spectators . You know everyone's watching it , but they're vicariously involved .

Where the champagne opener , where they're thinking of a wild animal , it's a macro effect . Everyone's involved . Everyone's thinking of a thing or thinking of whatever the thing is . So I feel like that's the other reason it works really well is because you're getting everyone involved at the same time , as opposed to picking on some guy in the front row or whatever .

Excuse me , that's the other reason I love it . It's because it gets everyone involved and it's a macro effect . So you could do this in a , in a in a ballroom . I do it in a 25 seat theater every week in Florida . So that's that's the beauty of it as well is that it can be done surrounded . You can do it .

You can basically do it naked If that's the kind of shows you're doing , if if , depending on the you know it's depending on the environment , and I have all kinds of subtle convincers I will come out with a spoon and be clinking the bottle , all these little convincers to make it play really well . But anyways , I interrupted myself . Let's move on .

This could be the greatest night of your lives . You don't pass this test . This could be the longest six hours you've ever injured . So that , right off the bat , that's my segue into the five card box . So then I I say I'm going to show you the very first trick I ever performed . I was 12 years old . I got a magic set for christmas .

I did my very first show in my parents basement up in toronto , canada , where we have basements , and right beside the laundry room I had my dad set up 12 folding chairs . My mom made triangle sandwiches . She even cut off the crusts . It was a really big deal and this is the box I made .

So then I pulled the box and it's a cardboard box that has crudely written on it magic show on the face of it .

So I pull out the box , put it on my stool and then I reenact basically the trick that I did , which is essentially I take five jumbo cards , count them out one , two , three , four , five , drop one in the box , snap my fingers and there's still one , two , three , four , five . Now this is where there's a callback that happens three times in this effect .

So the first thing is , because it's a test of them , I say you know the cards , toss one card away , card came back . One , two , three , four , five . The whole audience was so impressed they pumped their fist in the air and cried out the word amazing . I backed that out so everyone can see what I'm doing physically . And then I wait for them to respond .

Now , usually the response is you know , it's scattered at best . Most people don't know what to expect . They don't know what they're supposed to be doing , and then eventually they'll catch on . And then I will say you know , ok , there's a timing issue , there's an energy issue with you guys . We need to do it again .

You didn't know what to expect , and I'm going to make it more exciting . And then I turn the box around and now it's an even more crudely written and poorly spelled magic show . And I say I was six years old and in my parents' basement . There was 40 , 50 people down there sitting on folding chairs eating triangle sandwiches .

And then I take the cards again , toss two cards away and there's still one , two , three , four , five . Everyone pumped their fists in the air and cried out the word amazing . So now we're getting the second call back and now most people are on board , they know what to expect .

And then , but then I say , well , we are so close , guys , I'll tell you right now . Everything was great , except one person I'm not going to mention names didn't have their hand all the way up and they've ruined it for all of us . We're going to do one last time .

So then I do one where I turn over the box a third time and I say I was two years old , and now it's just scribble on the other side of the box so that magically appears and , um , that gets a laugh , obviously .

And then I go like one , two , three , four , five , and now I toss away about 12 cards it's not 12 cards , but I kind of miscount and add some , add some numbers , it's not my fingers , there's still five . All the cards go inside the box . And then the box , um , has no bottom and I poke my hand through it .

So the cards are gone and I say , uh , the cards disappeared . And everyone said amazing , so that's . And then I'm in applause cue position , you know , with my hands out , whatever

. So the reason why this is second is because it's sort of my origin story of into magic . I know it's not special , it's probably not and it's not new . It's I'm this magicians around the globe who've been affected by the magic set that they got at christmas , but I feel like this is the question that audience members will ask so how'd you get into this ?

What happened ? What you know , were you bit by a spider , like what happened . So , for this is this is the , it is the answer to that question , and it also like the champagne over now . They're physically involved , they're verbally involved , they are listening , they're interacting . I've held their attention .

Now I'm keeping their attention and this is , and this is , the beauty of it . So it's really a strong . I'll be honest with you , it's a crutch for me the five-card box . I use this every opportunity , in every single show and every single scenario .

If I have to do 10 minutes for I actually literally just had to do 10 minutes for a uh , a very large , like 400 seat banquet and this is my oh , this is my , well , my seconder , I guess you'd call it .

I call it my opener , but because I think the champagne opener is actually , it's more of an effect , but this is the actual opener because they get to know me , I you can do it in front of 400 people , you can do it in front of 40 people . I used to do it all the time in living rooms when I used to do birthday parties .

It really is again like the champagne opener you can do it surrounded , you can do it in any environment , you can do it up close , you can do it on a big stage .

And that's the other reason it's , uh , part of my desert tricks , because I'd be , uh , I would be lost without it , because I've done it for so long and it's such a um , a piece that I feel like it connects me with the audience really instantly , with oh , they can imagine me as a small child doing this and it's a , you know , it's that feeling of oh , not

cute , even as a grown man .

I'm not sure where your list is going to go , so I don't know if this is going to carry on , but so far , in those first two things , it's almost like a mini piece of theatre in itself in each capacity .

You could close , I could literally close with any of the tricks on my list and with that in mind , that makes , that makes life so much easier . When you have to do the magic castle and they want you to do 20 minutes and you're used to doing 60 minutes or 45 minutes , it's easy . When someone says , hey , can you do a tv spot ?

Yeah , I've got a trick that's three minutes long . That's going to kill in that TV spot because there's a beginning , a middle and an end and a real climax . Every trick here you know , in my opinion , has a climax that you could close a show with or you could close a set with and you could do , you know , in any environment again .

So it's like I feel like that closer mentality is something that that is kind of the thread throughout most of the magic that I do . I hope to be honest with you , hope that most of the magic is that is that has that quality or that power that you could close it , close your your set or your your show with .

So the concept , which I had never seen anybody else do , was that you bring people on stage for the toss-out deck as opposed to throwing the deck out into the audience . So that's the origin of that . I took it in a different direction a little bit , and rather than mind reading , I did it as a poker tell reading demonstration .

So anyways , I'll explain the effect . The opening line is did you know ?

So actually , the opening line is my segue between the five card box , and that is that after my big debut , you know , I went through school , I got a degree in psychology and then , after four years of psychology , I'd like to show you something , actually show you the one thing that I learned in four years of psychology , and that is that it's physically

impossible to maintain a poker face during a high stakes game of poker , because as human beings we all have a tell , and if I can figure out your tell , I can probably beat you at poker . So that's the premise .

Then , uh , kick on some music and I will go out to the audience and say I'm looking for some stone face killers , some guys here that , uh , no stranger to a casino , let's see who we can find . So then I'm pulling up five guys from the audience and I bring them up and I'll say now , girls , I know this is a sexist decision .

The reason , reason I do this I choose five men is because it's more of a challenge to me , because men are visually bereft of any real human emotion , about 60 percent of the time . Anyway , so so , so that's the premise . I get the five guys up and now , now I get to

know them . So now I have a whole segment where I ask each guy a different question . I'll ask the first guy what's your favorite color ? What your answer is going to tell me all kinds of things about you . He says blue . I said , oh , you like wide open spaces . You like you like a peaceful lifestyle .

Um , in fact , you know , I wore the blue suit just because I knew you were coming . Blah , blah , blah . So that's , that's the first question and then down the line , I ask a different question and it reveals something humorous about each person .

I ask person , one person , you know , if they make a hollywood movie of your life and you get to choose the hollywood actor that plays the part of you , who's it going to be ? Um , how do you drink your coffee ? How do you , you know , what's your favorite animal ?

So all of these things reveal things , and that's , I would say that's the probably the first five minutes of the routine .

Five to six minutes of the routine is just asking this question going down the row , and then I pull out a deck of cards and I walk down the row and they each peek at a card in the deck , and so now and then I have a moment where they all stare off into something like onto the chandelier , in the middle of the ballroom or whatever , and then I basically

call out the cards and in the middle of the ballroom or whatever , and then I I basically call it the cards and with the premise of I'm going to read your poker tell , so maintain that poker face , no matter what happens . So then they have various degrees of being able to do that .

Some there's always a giggler in the group that's , you know , laughing his head off , and there's always the stone face guy who does not move , you know , and I have bits of business for each one of those experiences . And then , after I apparently read their tells , I say , okay , I've got five cards , I'm going to call them out .

If you hear your card , go back to your seat , I'll call up the five cards . Four guys sit down , one guy's still on stage , and the finish is that I say that he was a bit more of a tougher cookie . I'm going to have to try something a bit more physical with you , if that's okay . And then I just hold my hand out and he takes my hand .

So now we're holding hands on stage , um , which always gets , you know , it's always gets great response . And then I and then I do do the round one more time of calling out the cards . And then I say I think I've got it . I'm going to call it out . If I , if I get your card , I want you to let go of my hand and take your seat .

If you , if I didn't get the card , just continue to hold my hand lovingly , the way that you have been . So then I say your card was the three of clubs . He lets go of my hand , takes a seat and that's the . That's the finish . So it's , there's a lot going on in this trick . The beauty beauty of it is , in my opinion . What I love about it is the .

It's filling the stage with people . People are ultimately interested in people . So , for this effect , by bringing five guys up , asking them their name , asking them a particular personal question about themselves , they're revealing that . Um , that to me , is what , if you're not doing magic , what do you ?

You know , you could tell a story which can be interesting , but I feel like people are ultimately , in fact , and they're also , they're also mostly interested in themselves .

So , bringing people up and then asking me these questions you know it because I have these guys up for a long time , it'd be like eight minutes , 10 minutes sometimes , depending on the , the juice I get out of the routine so , um , making them feel comfortable , so they're laughing and having a good time , and um , and also I'm taking the piss out of everybody .

So it's not just , you know , it's not , not not just one guy or anything , it's , it's like , it's like they're there as a gang . So it's , it's . It makes it a little bit easier to take , if you know , if I have some improv , that you know that that beats them up a little bit , but it's , it's fun .

And then I've had people come up to me afterwards like believing that what I did was real , which is , which is really the whole point . So this is not magic . I would say . This is like a stunt or a skill , a skill demonstration , which I think , which I also think is important .

I think it's important to show like , oh my gosh , how , how did he do that ? You know , and I feel like the poker face thing , um , and the way that the methodology is , uh , I have the ability to always have one person on stage .

At the end , you know , after I call it the five cards , there's always one person still on stage , and that that sells it even harder , that sells it even more , because now there's one guy still on stage and I'm using that , um , uh , using that moment to to really sell the fact that it's real . I think that's what's really happening .

Is that , wow , it's there's still a guy who didn't get that guy . Oh , this is crazy , you know . That's like , oh , you screwed up , you know , and now I made it better . You know , closing with a good thing , but it I just feel like it adds to the authenticity of the premise that I'm actually reading .

So by bringing them on stage , not only does it highlight the people on the stage and makes them the focus , but it also means that the rest of the audience can then interact and watch for those same tells and be more involved .

So when you say everybody sit down , who heard their card ? There's going to be a couple people that did they sit down . Did that guy sit down ? I can't see that guy . Did he sit down ? It's really terrible staging it's . It's not good , um , it works and it kills and that's why we still do it .

But I think by bringing the guys on stage there's such a strong signal that you've read their minds or you've read their poker tells or whatever your premise happens to be , when they physically leave the stage and you have a much longer time to get a longer applause cue Because you know when , when those guys are sitting down , you know and you can even juice

it . So , like you know , you get a nice solid 30 , maybe 20 seconds of applause . You say come on , give it up for these guys . You know , juice it . So , like you know you get a nice solid 30 , you know maybe 20 seconds of applause . You say come on , give it up for these guys , you know whatever .

And then you're extending that and then the last guy it always gets a great response um gets a bigger response because it's like oh , he pinpointed that exact card at crazy blah , blah , blah and I feel like again you're seeing visibly what's happening . Like when I named the card card , you can see the guy got . He got it .

You know , like you can see his , his slight dejection , the fact that I was able to get the card he was thinking of and it's in a good way . But it's like , and then I'll high five them or whatever afterwards , but it's , it's just that moment and I feel like bringing it up on stage again . David Benz , genius is that you bring it up on stage .

Everyone can see it , and out in the audience it's just , depending on the audience , like you could do the tosser deck for a smaller group , maybe 50 people or maybe 100 . But as soon as you get bigger than that , it's sometimes hard , it's very hard to see , it's just very hard to see the people standing from every seat .

So bringing people up on stage , I feel is just smarter staging , in my opinion .

of them , you're having fun with the , you know , and it's , it's so strong and again you can just close with it , you can just do that trick , you just do that effect , that routine . And I feel like , again , this is another crutch for me in terms of like it's a stage-filling routine , with a deck of cards that fits in my pocket , I can't beat it .

You've got 10 minutes of entertainment and it's real entertainment . It's not like entertainment where I say jokes that nobody will upset and it's actually really entertaining . And because , because you're dealing with people and you're having their reactions to , to questions and answers and making it fun Superb .

Um , this is your fourth effect . What's in your fourth position ? I'm going to change the order .

It's funny that we it's my center tear routine , which is funny . It's funny that we it's my center terror routine , which is kind of like that's how it's , that's how it's done anyways . Anyways , I'm going to do center terror next . So after the five guys sit down , there's a moment of pause or whatever .

Maybe there's some music , and then I will say I do know what you're thinking to yourself . He's thinking , wow , he just read the minds of five men , but can he do the impossible ? And I just let that sit , I don't say , I don't say anything else , and that always generates a laugh because all the women are like yeah .

So then I say I'd like to get weird with someone here tonight , not in the way that you're thinking , sir . I'm actually going to try to pick out a personal thought from someone here tonight .

And then I , I , I personal thought from someone here tonight , and then I , I , I , I'll choose a lady , uh , female , and I'll say , uh , we've never met before , we didn't pre-arrange anything . Uh , we're not facebook friends , anything like that . I'd like to like you and this is this , is this , is actually quite this . This effect will be far , far less jokes .

This will be more um , just more of a serious thing . Serious for me anyways , there's always something that is humorous , that I do , but I , this is a . For me , it's more of a , um , a serious routine . And then , essentially , I , I get her to think of someone close to her heart in some way .

She writes it down , she shows it to one other person who's going to be the witness , and then we tear it up , toss the pieces away and I ask her some simple yes or no questions and I reveal the name of the person she's thinking of and then , depending on the environment , at my hotel show , I have a can of tea that's used in another routine that'll open

up and show that there's a note inside , which she removes , and inside is is a , basically a prediction , saying um , I have a sneaking suspicion someone's going to focus on the name Rebecca or whatever the name is that she's thinking that's and that's um . That's kind of on stage throughout the routine .

If I do a corporate show , I will pull up my wallet and pull out the a pad of paper and a pen and hand her the wallet to hold and then when I do the whole thing and she uses the wallet to kind of write the um .

That's kind of a pad or like a surface to write her name on , and then later on that prediction will be inside the wallet that she's holding from the beginning . So that's that's a , you know , a WTF moment in the show . That's really strong . Wtf moment in the show , that's really strong .

It's like a powerful trick that doesn't rely on humor as sort of the vehicle . I really play it straight . I do not . There's not a lot of gags or jokes , there's small things but nothing . So that's kind of what I might be in a really strong .

So that's kind of like what I might be , in my opinion , a really strong , hard hitting routine that again goes back to like powerful magic .

You know , I used to do the senator for years without a prediction ending , and After I I overheard someone talking after a show once and they were like , well , don't know how he did it , but obviously he saw what she wrote down . And so I was thinking about like yeah , that's so true , like it makes sense .

If you're thinking of it rationally , you're like he's never , if he really didn't meet her before and he really doesn't know who her daughter's name is , he never met them before and she writes it down and he doesn't have powers , like he says he doesn't , how , how else is he finding out who she is , who their name is , what the name is ?

So by having that prediction ending , it sort of cleans that up a little bit in the sense that he might . He didn't know how to do it , he just didn't know what the name was . But even if he , even if he peeked at that , how , how was it inside the tin can at the end ? How did that happen ?

So like I feel like helps to cancel out um , the methodology .

involved , and now you have sort of the the mid-level , where people are going to really hone in and really listen to what you're saying .

And then the other thing I say is like , but nobody who's in this room right now , for whatever reason . A lot , of a lot of women will write down someone who's passed on . They'll write down their grandmother , their aunt , their mother , their father , for whatever reason . That's .

That seems to be a direction that it goes , and I , for the first bunch of years I did that , did the center terror ? I didn't . I wasn't comfortable with it . So I would always say like , but someone and someone who's still , you know , with us , someone who's still living or whatever . I know we'd always tag that .

You know , think of someone close to your heart in some way , someone who with us , someone who's still living or whatever . I know we'd always tag that . You know , think of someone close to your heart in some way , someone who is still alive , someone who's whatever .

I have recently taken that out and I let them think of whoever the heck they want , and if they want to think of their , their uncle who was passed on , they have an emotional connection . And I found I found that you know to a lot of , a lot of help coaching for my wife .

She said it's it's really strong and healing for people to be able to think of someone who's passed on and even if it's in this public forum and of a magic show it seems cheesy but the reality is they're having an emotional moment which is actually healthy and good and it and I and so I've had many women crying on stage which is , I think , is it's a

powerful thing and , like I don't take it lightly , I don't take it , as you know , as something that I think is I don't try to do it , I don't , you know , and I don't obviously I don't milk it , but it is one of those things that I feel like it can really bring , can really stop the show in a good way , in a powerful way that you know they're having

a lovely memory and you know . So for those reasons , the center is again very strong and it's a piece of paper and a pen in your pocket . That's it . It's very , it's hard to beat .

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It's a , it's like a tiki vibe , you know jungle style music that kicks in and I , I go to my prop case and I pull out what looks like a . It's a , it's a . It's a bag that you'd get at one of those new age shops . It's hard to explain , but it's like one of those bags that clearly looks like .

You know , your crazy aunt has arrived with uh with her crystals . But anyways , I pull out the , I pull out this bag and I start shaking it and there's obviously , there's some kind of shaker inside or something , and I and I start to shake it over the audience like I'm blessing them or something . And then I unzip it and the music's quite loud .

So it's like , and I pull out , I pull out a small maraca and I hand it to some . I hand it to a guy in the front row and I say you know , shake along to the music . So he's shaking the music . Then I have another . It's like a bracelet that goes around , that's like if you shake it it's another noisemaker and I give it to somebody else .

And then I have one of those drums that if you between your hands , if you uh , you , you spin it between your hands , it hits the . It has little uh balls on strings . That hits the both sides of the drum really really fast . And I hand it to somebody else .

So now I have three people all doing that and then I , uh , I invite a lady on stage and while the music's playing , I'm , I'm setting her up , I say hold up both hands , make two fists , drop one , hold one close to your heart . And I'm kind of doing this with her , um , while we , um , while the music's playing , so that's in the background .

And then I and I get her to stand . So now she's standing , one fist , that's in the background . And then I and I get her to stand . So now she's standing , one fist she's chosen is close to her heart , and she's , um , standing on stage facing the audience .

And then I , I , I , the music fades down and then I , I signal the uh , the guys to stop the instruments by , you know , doing the throat cut with my hand . And and then I I asked the lady her name and I say rebecca , have you ever been part of a voodoo ceremony ?

Before she reacts yes , no , whatever it's like now , the only thing you need to know is that I'm not going to touch you , I'm not going to come near you , mostly for legal reasons . But the important thing is that if you don't move , this won't hurt .

And , ladies and gentlemen , every voodoo ceremony that I've ever seen in the movies always has three components . They always have the strange and terrible rhythms of the voodoo orchestra . Give it up , guys .

So now I'm signaling the guys to start playing , so they start rattling their instruments , and then I do the other , I do the cut the throat move again , you know . And then there's always a guy who doesn't stop it , makes it funny and uh , or keeps going . And then I have to rapidly do it .

And then , right after that , uh , then I'll say something like you know , it's their first rehearsal , they didn't know what they're doing yet , and then say the second component in every uh , every voodoo ceremony is is it's always a , there's always involves a volunteer who comes out of the audience . So I do that victim volunteer gag .

And then I , and I said the third component is always a voodoo doll . So then I have a small cigarette case , I pull out and there's a little voodoo doll , little straw doll .

And then I say now the objective is this we're going to try to excite the spirit in the voodoo doll to life , and the only way to do that , of course , is with the strange and terrible rhythms of the voodoo orchestra . Take it away , guys . So now they're playing the voodoo dolls on my hand and then , as they're playing , I say faster , louder , guys .

And as they do that , it starts to rise up and it's standing on my hand . Now , once it gets upright , I then produce , uh , produce a match for my lapel .

I like the arm of the voodoo doll that bursts into flames and sparks , and then I snap my fingers and the voodoo doll falls over and I signal the guys to cut the music Say ladies and gentlemen , the voodoo ceremony is complete . But we will only know the voodoo ceremony has worked if the mark has been cast . Rebecca , did you feel anything ? She says no .

I said that's good , it's voodoo . And then I say do this with me . And then I get her to . I say to the coming of the voodoo orchestra , do this with me , rebecca . So the guy started playing again , and then I signal her to remove her hand from her heart and slowly open her fists so she can see it .

So then she reacts to now there's an ash in the center of her palm and then I show , then I grab her arm and kind of show her . I kind of do a wide arc across the audience so everyone could see what it is . Yeah , so that's and that's that's . It's a nice palate cleanser up to the center chair .

It's still like a powerful trick of like , how in the world , like ? And then I also , and before she opens her hand , I say now remember , you know , if you remember I didn't touch it and come near you . Is that correct ?

She says yes , so again , hammering home the mystery of it , yeah , and then I see her , I gather up the instruments and I you know , one more round of applause for the incredible , you know voodoo orchestra , which is great Collect all those instruments , toss them away . So that's the voodoo ash routine .

Again , it's like the ash on palm is something I've been doing for , probably one of the longest tricks I've ever done , probably 25 , 30 years , almost probably , which is a long time . Um , in every kind of scenario I've done it , you know , in bars and restaurants and walk around and on big stages never fails to get a great response .

And this is just for me . This is a really fun routine because it's just playing the method , methodology so simple that it's just me having fun and the audience having fun too . Um , and also involving , you know , four different people in the audience .

I think you know in my hotel show that I do weekly , I try to involve every single person in the audience and if we have 25 people , that's going to , you know it's a pretty busy show . So , like the Voodoo Astro team , for example , you know there's three guys that weren't involved in any of the tricks yet Now they're playing as musical instruments .

So now those three people have been quote unquote part of the show and I feel like that's what I've tried to do with all these routines is like , how can I involve the most amount of people while still , you know , making it sense to to the routine and and without losing , you know , heavy process time and all that stuff on stage ?

with everyone's like banging on , you know banging their sticks together and you know hitting things . I feel like it's .

It's got that same vibe of like you know , kind of a free-for-all , which I love yeah , I just imagine if you got that one drunk spectator the noise that would come from them yeah , no , absolutely , absolutely , and that's that's the thing , it's , that's what's fun .

It's like , yeah and again , that it's a routine that can go for like three minutes or five minutes , depending on the amount of you know , interaction that you know , which is pretty fun .

That's in every show and , um , I do a show in florida , we live in florida . Florida has all kinds of , you know , wonderful , it's a beautiful place to live , but it does have a massive reputation , especially in the states and all around the world , whether it's florida man or whether the political scenarios and the nonsense that goes on down here .

So my opening line for this effect is like does anyone , does anyone read here ? Does anyone read books ? You guys allowed to , which also gets , which gets a big , which gets a big laugh , especially Floridians , cause , you know , we're always there's obviously a perception that's in the media's very different than the reality that I have anyways .

But so , anyways , that's , that's a very , that's a great opener , great funny line . And I pull out a book and I say I say I'm looking for something , and then I say and then someone will put up their hands like does anyone read books ? I mean really big physical books .

You read them , you know , crack spine and and and get into something and there'll be like guys and girls , whatever . So I'll pick someone out and say , oh , what kind of books are you into , what kind of , what kind of genre you know so ?

So then I have a little interaction with the person about the genre book that they like and I say one of my favorite stories um , it happened about the same time I started magic was , uh , I got a , I got a book about the adventures of Sherlock Holmes and I pull out that book and I say he was kind of like a magician .

He had this ability to put all these pieces together and figure out the criminals or the people that committed these crimes . It almost seemed like magic because he was using the power of deduction and blah , blah , blah Anyway . So I do a brief , a very brief sort of intro to that .

I bring , uh , the person up could be a man or woman and uh , who I've just interacted with about the book , and I have them sit in a chair and then a hand in the book . They check it out . I say how many pages , is it ? It's like 400 pages . Okay , so we have 400 chances , 400 different options .

I'm going to flip through the book with one hand , while looking away , you say stop when you want . They say stop and they say I'm going to mark the page and all I want you to do I'm going to open the book . You're going to remember the page number and the first word on the page .

So the page number is at the very top and the first word is just below the page number . I want you to remember both those things .

I'll also mention that I usually try to say do you need glasses to read before they come up , so that they're not then after they're not , like you know , having to go back to their seat to get their purse and all that stuff . So , anyways , so they then I open the book . They remember the page number of the word .

I get to hold the book and then I go out into the audience and sit in their chair and say I'm going to try to read your mind . I'm going to start with the word . So I want you to think of a letter somewhere in the middle of the word . Have you got ? Have you got a letter in the middle of your mind . Yes , so then I reveal that .

Then I reveal the second letter , the letter after that , the last letter , the first letter , and then I reveal the actual . And then I say let's go for the numbers . So then I reveal the page number and then , after I reveal the page number , I say you know what the weird thing is ?

It's page 158 with the word objects on it Doesn't even exist in that book . Yeah , so that's a moment of like , you know like what ? And then the person on stage is like I just saw , what do you mean ? So then they instantly , without any coaxing , then start looking through the book to see if they you know , I saw it , it's in here .

And so then they go through it , they open the book there is no page number . Sorry , there's no page , it's been ripped out . And then that's when I go back on stage , I pick up the book and I show the page torn and I say you know what the weird thing is is where it is now now .

It always gets a big like , oh my gosh , you know women will check their , you know , check their bras and you know whatever . And I say uh , and then , um , I'm trying to remember what my next line is . It's something similarly funny where it's like I say anyway . So I lead to the point where I say please stand up .

He or she stands up and then there's an envelope that wasn't there when they sat down earlier , sitting on the chair . They pick it up , they open it up and inside is the page . And then so that's the end of the trick . When they sat down earlier , sitting on the chair , they pick it up , they open it up and inside is the page .

And then so that's the , that's the end of the trick . I thank them , they sit down and then I take the torn page , put it inside the book and then I inscribe the book to them and then hand it to them as a gift . So they get to take the book home with them , which I , which is very strong .

That moment is actually my favorite part of the whole trick , which is it's silly , but the fact that they can take the book home , I feel is a really great . It's a , I mean , if you look at from a magical point of view , it's a huge selling selling point that it's like how in the world , like any , you know , it's obviously not a tricky book .

I'm getting to take it home , which is , I think , is also very strong . And it's a nice gesture that they now have a book on their on their shelf and they have a memory that they can take home with them too , which is cool .

You know we do a meet and greet after the show in my , in my weekly show , and it's one of those things where they're always posing with the book and for the photos and it's just one of those things that , like I know that they're taking it home with them . It's just a cool . It's just a really cool moment and I found a . I found a beautiful addition .

That's like it's not leather but it has that leather look and it looks like a really nice a book that you would put on your shelf and it would you know , even if you never read it makes you look like you're smart .

So we're on to number seven .

I had the night before the show and , it's strangely enough , there's a woman sitting here that looks exactly like the woman that was in my dream . And so I go , I go through sort of this , this dream sequence , and then at the end of it I produce a lime . That's part of the dream .

Part of the dream is that we're on this beach and there's a tree shading us , and it's a lime tree , and the lime falls out of the tree and knocks me on my head and instantly I wake up and I'm still in bed and I thought it was real . And then I make the lime appear .

So then I , and then I hand it to her and said you know , we've been through a lot , samantha , would you hold my fruit ? So then I , I hand her the lime . So now she's holding that , and that's that would happen in the middle of the show or near the beginning of the show . So that's out in the audience .

So then I that obviously the audience is at the point that we're doing this routine now they've forgotten about the fact that you know the lines out there in the audience .

So now I say , before you go , I have to show you , I show you , I have to show you my favorite trick . It's called the $1 mystery and it only costs a dollar . So then I just wait and pause and everyone's like uh-huh , what you know ? So it could be anybody's dollar . You know anybody here , anybody here .

Have a dollar check and tell your purse , your man purse , your fanny packs , whatever you got your money in , just reach inside there , anybody's dollar . First person with a hand in the air with a dollar , that's the person , that's the dollar we're going to use . So that's what happens . Somebody pulls out a dollar .

I grab the dollar and say come on up and sometimes , depending on , I will just borrow the dollar if there's a , if there's a kid in the audience . Some at the hotel show , we do , we , uh , we do weekly it's . It's geared towards adults , but occasionally , like families , will , will purchase tickets , um , and I will . This is a trick .

I will bring up a , um , a child , for if there's a kid in the audience , that's , you know . So this is . This is a trick that I would bring up a kid for that , um , but for the most part , whoever brings holds the bill up is that's the person I bring up . And then , um , two things happen . One is I get the .

I get them to sign the bill , I get them to memorize the serial number , but I , I get the audience to call the serial number out so that way everyone can remember the serial number .

And then I take the , take the bill , we roll it up there's all kinds of jokes about that and then we put it under our handkerchief and now we're going to make the bill disappear . He's going to say a magic word and if bill disappears , we got to go crazy for dave , or whoever it is . Dave , have you ever had a standing ovation in your life ?

He says no . Or if he says yes , it doesn't matter . I say , ladies and gentlemen , if that bill disappears , this is the first trick he's ever done in a magic show . We got to go crazy for dave . I think we should be on our feet just clapping and cheering for dave . What do you think ? Whatever . So now I'm kind of using a standing ovation for him .

So he lets go . He says his magic word let's go , the bill . It disappears and the audience goes crazy , standing ovation , whatever . So then , uh , and then they sit down and I say , dave , did you feel anything when it disappeared ? Because it's , it teleported all the way to the fourth dimension .

So then I say , moved all the way to the back of the room and I'm now , I'm pointing at samantha . Samantha , did you feel anything over there other than embarrassment ? As I wiggled my fingers at you , did you feel anything ? And I said do you still have my fruit ? So this is the moment where I say do you still have my fruit ?

She says yes , and this is where the audience goes oh , come on , because now they're already . They already if you've done the bill and bill and anything , but if the bill and fruit bill and lemon bill and whatever , there's always that moment where when they see the fruit , or they think they and the bill has disappeared , it's like come on .

And what's strong about this , obviously , is that she's already in the audience and now she's bringing it up . So I get her , her , to come up and I have some by play about . You know , where do you buy your fruit ? You know , et cetera , et cetera . And then I see a lot of people , a lot of skeptics .

You know this is the trick that bothers them the most . And they'll be lying awake in bed staring at the ceiling till about two in the morning . And then they say to themselves you know what Probably came out of his sleep ? I don't want anyone sleeping tonight . Do me a favor , dave . Grab one of my wrists . Two hands do the same , samantha .

So now they're holding onto my wrists as I cut open the lime . So I cut open the lime , bill's inside , we confirm everything , blah , blah , blah , you know big reaction . And then they're seated . So that's the Bill and Lime routine . Big reaction . And then I , then they , then they're seated , so that's , that's the bill in line routine again .

Another very powerful thing that has a lot of jokes and and um situations , but it's again , it's situational comedy with the person that you know , um volunteers the money and if it's a kid it's a big deal , because they're doing their very first magic show , magic trick , and you know they're going to be my best student .

Let's make sure they get a huge round of , you know , huge standing ovation if they get this right , whatever . So that's , that's a really nice way to um showcase somebody and if it's somebody's birthday , if it's someone's , you know , if it's a , you can have the bride come up and do it .

At a wedding or something like that , where you're trying to showcase someone in a big way , where making them feel good but also showcasing them in front of a whole crowd , it's really good . At a corporate event it could be the person getting a promotion or the whatever , the president of the company , and it's anyways , it's a strong trick .

Again , it's one of those effects that's um , for people that hire me , it's kind of synonymous with the magic show . They're like you're gonna do that one , right , you're gonna do the one with with it , with the fruit and the money . So that's , that's a big uh , it's a big , it's a big um reputation maker .

For me it has been for many years and like I've tried to drop it but it doesn't seem to work . It seems to be one of those things like it's like it's one of those money tricks in more ways than one , it's a really strong trick .

Someone actually yelled it out like seven , seven , eight years ago , said it was in his sleeve , and , like people laughed and people , but then it , then it does , and it dawned on me like , oh yeah , I never considered that would be a thought , because it seems so clean , like what , when I'm doing it , that like you couldn't possibly be in the sleeve , quote

unquote . But what's cool about it ? What's cool about that notion , though , is that that's what people are thinking , so that's what I'm going to try to try to take off the list of possible , possible methods , and the other beautiful thing about it was something that happened by accident .

It was when you do it , and and this is not new like you've probably seen , you know , people do the egg bag , for example , and they've got people to hold their wrists as they go inside the egg bag and pull out the egg and do all that .

Um , so it's not something that's , you know , new to me , but what is what I like about it for the bill and lime is it focuses attention so well , because those people that are holding your wrists are very close to you , and when you see that on stage or you see that , you know , from an audience perspective , it really , and because of the way that they're

holding your wrists , it's actually it's two big arrows pointing at the action , and so it's a really , even though it's a tiny , really a small tiny piece . They have to look at a small three inch square of space to see what's actually happening .

Um , just that simple staging with them holding your wrists uh , really focuses the attention really well yeah , it makes it so much more theatrical as well .

Also , you mentioned that in your hatter you're on an island and one drops on your head . So you know that's perfect for this podcast . So who knows where you're going to go next ? So what is in your final position ? What's in your eighth position ?

the it is the one that I've actually tried to drop it . I did a brand new show last spring but I had to put it back in because people kept asking for it .

It's weird that we get , you know , it's rare I think in magic not rare but I think it's one of those things that , like , if you have favorites , the audience favorites , like really think twice about losing them from your show , because even though you're bored with them and I mean , if you do a trick really well , people can see it multiple times and still have

no idea how it's done . And I feel it's really important that , yeah , that you keep tricks in that year that really do that I'm talking about . I'm not talking about , you know , tv shows or something . I'm talking about a working performer doing shows .

You know live shows , but , um , the bill and lime is actually my closer , but my this , what this is what I would call my encore effect . So this is a prediction effect .

Um , in the theater that we do that we , that we in our weekly show , um , we have a vip cocktail hour and during that cocktail hour there is a large black envelope that our hostess carries around at one point in the evening and has a gold , metallic pen that everyone signs .

It signs this envelope , and then , um , when they come into the , the small theater , there's it's hanging on a on a stand in the middle of the , at the front , so it sits through the whole show and so they know that they felt that they've touched it , they've signed it , it's been sitting there the whole show .

So , uh , after the bill and lime , I see the people and then I have some music kick in . I usually do like kind of a front of curtain speech at that point and talk to them about make sure you write a review and don't forget we do private parties , and you know , nonsense , nonsense .

And then I said then I have music kick in and I say there's one more and then I over , I point to the envelope , I go over to it , take it off , and then I say there's something mysterious inside this envelope . And we are all going , I'm going to . I mean , I need the most psychic person here tonight to sense what that is . So then I point to someone .

So now again , like I said , I try to involve as many people as possible . I try to involve everyone in the show at some point . And so now I'm going to go for the one guy or girl who has not been part of the show at all , never been involved with any of the tricks , and I then hand them the envelope , say and what's your name ?

And she says Stephanie . I say you're not Stephanie tonight , you are psychic Stephanie . And psychic Stephanie is going to show her powers .

As she holds this envelope , the vibrations from what's inside that envelope are traveling through her fingers , into her arms , into her shoulders , into her brain , into her cerebral cortex , and in this moment she's she knows things . She knows things she shouldn't know , but she knows things .

And then I say we're all going to go in an imaginary all-inclusive vacation and that that's when I pull up . You're going to see these . But that's when I pull up my postcards . I have these four by six postcards and I go through the postcards and show that there's uh , we could go to any one of these places .

We'd be going to vienna , we could be going to new york city , we could be going to austria , we could be going to ireland , and I go through you know , uh , about half the deck , and I say , um , I go through half the deck , but I I say , just before I show them , I say by your reactions I'm going to see where you want to go .

So the first thing I show is like canada . Who wants to go to canada ? Of course , one person maybe yell out all right , we'll leave you here , then I go , and then I go through . I want to go to Hawaii , he wants to go to Italy , he wants to go to Costa Rica . Who wants to go to the exotic Boston Anyone wants to go to , and I go .

Then I have a few gag ones where it's like who wants to go to boring Oregon ? Who wants to go to Disappointment Island ? That's a place in New Zealand . I've been there a few times this week . Um , then I have , and then I have a uh who wants to go to hell . It's a place called hell michigan and it says hell .

I say it was we like to call it , in florida , orlando , anyways . So these are , these are all , these are all . That's obviously a local joke , but so that's always . Uh , fun gets good reactions . And then , um , then I take the , take the postcards and uh , mix them up and I go to the .

I go to the , to the psychic spectator , psychic stephanie , and I say , stephanie , have you ever heard of a double blind test ? That's where I poke both your eyes out before we continue , so that you're really using your seat . That's . I'm not going to do that . But you're not going to look at these , at the faces of these .

You're not going to know which , which postcards which . But you need your psychic powers . I'm going to hold some up high and some down low . Are we going to get rid of the highs or lows ? Using your psychic powers , you make this decision . So she says high or low , we toss those away . Again , we do it again .

I cut them in half , again we toss them away . And then we get down to a small handful . They say stephanie , please raise your most psychic finger high into the air . Of course that always gets a joke , a laugh , because she could obviously put up any finger and they will . And I say take that finger , tap the one you feel most drawn to . She does .

I say , if you hold it , I'll take the envelope back and say remember , she could have thought of any one of these dozens of places and we focused on one . I want to see how close you got . Where are we going , stephanie ? She says thailand . Wait , we're going to thailand .

I show this postcard and then , uh , I open up the prediction and inside the prediction it's a , it's kind of a mini book and it talks about things that happen during the show . So I'll talk about like we're going to bring three of our extra friends oprah winfrey , elvis presley and marilyn monroe , and these are all things that happen during the show .

So I'll talk about like we're going to bring three of our extra friends Oprah Winfrey , elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe , and these are all things that happened during throughout the show . And then I say , and then I show , I say we're all going to wear the same outfit , and that was another predicted outcome in the show .

And then we're also and just don't forget the gate number it's blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , and it's the serial number from the bill that was borrowed for the bill in line . So it's like it's . It's again . All hail darren brown and andy nyman for for making us all you know , do these prediction effects , but anyway .

So that's that's kind of it's like a . It's like a denouement bookend for the whole show and then the book flips open and it's a massive image of the postcard of the Thailand or whatever the place is that she's chosen and that's the end of the show .

So I realize that the effect is smart-ass , but it's basically a prediction effect and that's how I close the show .

And , again , if you're familiar with any smartass effect , the beauty is that you can hand them the cards , they can separate the cards and toss them away . So , again , it's a really interactive , bulletproof method of forcing that looks really clean . I got a really cool text from Michael michael lamar , uh , a week ago .

Two weeks ago he was , he was doing doing the castle and he said , well , I want the best card for I'm terrible michael lamar impression , but best card for us , uh , in the world , and I came to you . So , anyways , he was asking for a smart ass day , which was cool .

But anyways , what I love about this ending is , again , it brings , like you said , it brings everything together . At the

end . I keep music kind of a lightbed of rhythm beneath this whole effect . That keeps the effect moving , because it is an encore piece and people are antsy at the end of this . At this point it's almost it's close to 60 minutes , um , the show . So , uh and I mean my opinion , that's long enough for people to sit .

So , uh , I know that they're they're ready to go and if they've had , you know , a couple cocktails which we always encourage , um , they're , they're already ready to , you know , to use the restroom . So at this point I want to keep the show moving . So this is this is a fairly quick , I would say it's over in like three minutes .

It's not not something that drags it sounds like it's a lot of process and stuff like that but I keep it moving quite quickly . And , uh , the smart ass force , in my opinion , is just , it's just so bulletproof and easy that you don't have to think it's .

Uh , you know you can just perform and enjoy it , knowing that it's just so bulletproof and easy that you don't have to think it's . You know you can just perform and enjoy it , knowing that it's always going to be the outcome , but , more importantly , that it's going to look so clean and so fair that it just looks impossible , which is obviously the point .

But and again , I put smart ass as the last thing in my show and there's I've been a multitude of different versions of it , with playing cards , with index cards , with tarot cards , and now I've been using this postcard deck and it's really strong . It's really just a powerful ending .

So , number one , the book , which you only get to pick one , as opposed to the tricks , where you got eight and your non-magic item . So what did you put in your book position ?

And , uh , it's just one of those books that you can just crack open and read something , read a paragraph , and it will turn your brain onto something . I really see , I really see it as a brain exercise .

Most of the time I I it's not that I I have I have actually used effects in the book , but it's more of a brain exercise , to like to take your brain in a direction that maybe you didn't think of or didn't . Um , and if you're not familiar with the book , it's a , it's a large book that has , it's a , it's an alphabetical order of objects .

So , um , apple , you'll look up apple under a and then you'll see you know a dozen effects with an apple . So we'll talk about , you know , um , cutting an apple with your mind . You know , doing a , taking an apple on a string and stringing across two people and having the apple move between the two people . It really , uh , the exciting thing about it .

Every time I open it is like you know , as human beings , our brains are susceptible , or our memories are susceptible to , you know , to uh , to disintegrating and for me , every time I open it , I read something new .

It could be , it could be the alzheimer's , but I read something new every single time and it always excites my brain with in a direction , um , and I think if you're on a desert island and you're , you know , you got a lot of time in your hands .

I think it's the kind of the perfect type of book , um , you know , you know , failing the , the tarbell course of magic , which I also feel is you know , obviously that know , failing the , the Tarbell course of magic , which I also feel is , you know , obviously that's seven volumes or eight volumes , um , which technically isn't a .

That's too many books , that's not one book . Um , the property of Martin Gardner is , I think , to me is just the killer , just just the best . It's just really , um , really such a great uh instigator for my brain in so many ways .

Um , but it does bring us on to your truly curveball item , your non-magic item that you use for magic . What did you go for ?

Um , so , but , uh , if I go to the beach , I leave my phone at home and I will bring my pad in paper , because that's , to me , is like that's , that's really . That's really what motivates me in magic , is , is , is the creativity , it's , it's really a solution .

It's finding solutions for challenges , or finding solutions to problems , or finding solutions to tricks . So you'll think of like , oh , what's the best way to do this ? And then it's a solution finding process of what is the best method for this effect , what is the best word or line for this routine , what is the best premise for this effect ?

All of those things . That's the work . So , for me , having a patent paper , uh , I would instantly throw my phone into a , into the ocean if I could just uh , write and uh , and that that would be my , my go-to , because it is my go-to you know whether it's my phone and typing into notes or a physical pad and paper . That's , that's really .

That's my other , my other joy performing and then planning what I'm going to perform next .

I've been two big lecture tours there and I've done a couple of the big conventions there which I've always loved . I always I need to get back . It's been a while . I did Blackpool , probably three or four years ago , I think , pre pandemic . I think it was 2019 , but I need to get back and see all my mates .

But BillAbbottMagiccom is the best place to find my effects . We also wholesale a lot of them through Murphy's Magic and they're distributed around the world . Al-khazam has a lot of my effects . You can also there's an Al-Khazam . I did a cocktail magic lecture at Elkazam , so you can find that on the site there .

And if you're ever in Florida , please come and see our show . If you go to magichideawaycom , that's our weekly show . We have a show every in a beautiful hotel , which you can see right there in the background . I'm pointing to a big screen behind me that showcases the hotel room , in case you're wondering what's going on , and we do that show every week .

So if you're ever in town , we'd love to have you there .

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