Julius [00:00:00]:
On this week's episode, I've had enough alcohol for the past hour, so I'm fine.
Eldar [00:00:03]:
Okay.
Julius [00:00:04]:
So it's not like I don't drink to get out of control.
Eldar [00:00:07]:
I drink to maintain the auto controls.
Julius [00:00:10]:
Mike's delivering pizzas every afternoon, working out in fucking night. Like, what's up, bro? Dude's got the hottest car on the street, but g 35 2000.
Eldar [00:00:17]:
G 35 slicking pizza.
Julius [00:00:19]:
G 35 2005. Brand new thing. The hottest thing on the street. And what's up, bro? Six pies an hour. Mike was like, yo, yo, that's his least favorite. So, like, Native Americans cannot consume alcohol because their genetic pool literally gets in instantly addicted to it. But they could friggin take peyote in the friggin cabin and, like, go to work. I really like salt and pepper, bro.
Julius [00:00:37]:
Nobody really likes freaking 2% milk. I'm gonna see how good my memory is and how much drugs I've done in my life, if I remember correctly. See, I don't recall. You probably told me a story when I was not sober. I started to get home and like, all right, I don't remember last 35 miles. Like, I have to be sitting passenger seat. Five deer run out of the road and you dodge all five and we still make it home. Then you could drive my car any day you want.
Julius [00:00:57]:
Sorry to say, if your father says winnings, winning doesn't matter. Your father's a loser. It's you against the world, brother. Come on now, make some money. Does that put a ladder on your back and take everybody with you?
Eldar [00:01:19]:
Alright, guys, let me introduce the topic. The topic came from talking a lot about different things, you know, personal development and stuff like that. So a lot of times when we go on our journeys of personal development, whatever development we're trying to accomplish, right. Sometimes it's hard to maybe measure the success of that personal development and especially then the individuals that are observing your development. Let's just say, right, in your case, Mike, we talked about it right where you came here. You throw out many podcasts. You talked about some of the problems that you had. I mean, we turned them upside down.
Eldar [00:01:54]:
You solved a lot of them. You've taken steps in order to change those things that you used to do.
Mike [00:01:59]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:00]:
You have new behaviors now, and now you have different habits.
Mike [00:02:02]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:02:03]:
Right. And we obviously here, because we're here, we watch you, we hear you.
Mike [00:02:06]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:02:07]:
We went through this whole journey together with you. We understand the progress and what you've been through, which. Which is a beautiful process, obviously. Right. However, right. So the individuals who have not been.
Mike [00:02:18]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:02:19]:
Through that same process that we've been around with. You haven't been around and stuff like that. Didn't observe what you've been through.
Mike [00:02:25]:
Right.
Eldar [00:02:26]:
They might not know what we're talking about. They might look back and say, hey, Mike. I still know Mike as this person with old habits. Right. Yeah. The way you used to do things, you know, some of the things that were, like you said, you may be dishonest, sometimes impulsive. You would get too excited and stuff like that and get yourself into some trouble. You know what I mean? So I was interested to know, how long does it take for.
Eldar [00:02:52]:
Right. For, I guess, the observers of that change. Right. To finally click in is to say, like, oh, wait a second. I think Mike is a new person now, and this is the new character and he's here to stay. Right. Because a lot of times I feel like, you know, especially in your case, in your situation, the only example I'm bringing up is that there's some kind of a lag still, right. For the people that are spooling to find out who you really are.
Eldar [00:03:18]:
Still. Right. Even Dre. Right. He's coming over and hanging out with us. Like, obviously he knows who we are, but does he really know. Right. Some of the things that you've been working on are very, say, personal, private, but also monumental.
Eldar [00:03:30]:
Those are some serious changes that you've done. And I wonder how this, you know, how this. This new you or this new state. Oh, your character. Oh, my God.
Julius [00:03:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:03:46]:
Yeah. Fucking legend.
Mike [00:03:48]:
Fucking over. It's fucking over. For every fucking over.
Eldar [00:03:52]:
Holy fuck. Holy.
Mike [00:03:54]:
In a leather jacket.
Eldar [00:03:55]:
In the leather jacket, bro. I'm off to.
Julius [00:04:04]:
I'm off.
Eldar [00:04:04]:
The ring.
Mike [00:04:05]:
Holy.
Eldar [00:04:09]:
You fell.
Julius [00:04:15]:
What's up, bro? You doing heart surgeries? DJ looked like this when he was twelve, bro.
Mike [00:04:30]:
Holy fuck.
Eldar [00:04:30]:
Damn. Wow.
Julius [00:04:32]:
DJ has no idea that there's three other stages of black man's life. You look like this.
Eldar [00:04:36]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:04:36]:
You get a 45, marry a white woman.
Eldar [00:04:40]:
Oh, my God.
Mike [00:04:41]:
You have no idea.
Julius [00:04:49]:
Hold on. I speak from a personal experience.
Eldar [00:04:54]:
You were a black woman before you.
Julius [00:04:56]:
Used to be a black woman. I watched my mother destroy a black man's life.
Eldar [00:05:00]:
Oh, my God.
Julius [00:05:02]:
Oh, my mother. Coal burner.
Eldar [00:05:05]:
Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. Jolis, man.
Julius [00:05:12]:
What?
Eldar [00:05:12]:
You were in the area?
Julius [00:05:13]:
Oh, yeah. A couple of drinks of a buddy of mine from work. I haven't seen a while.
Eldar [00:05:24]:
Drew, there's a beer in there for you, for the fridge.
Julius [00:05:26]:
No.
Eldar [00:05:26]:
All right. Feel free.
Julius [00:05:27]:
I'm good, I'm good. I'm limiting my alcohol intake?
Eldar [00:05:29]:
Yeah. All right, good. You're learning. You just started to learn 40 years in.
Julius [00:05:33]:
I've had enough alcohol for the past hour, so I'm fine. Okay, so it's not like I don't drink to get out of control.
Eldar [00:05:39]:
I drink to maintain out of control.
Julius [00:05:43]:
Come on, man. That's not an out of control. It's the maintenance. Yeah, you know, it's like when me and you used to go to the gym. We didn't go to the gym for getting built for maintenance.
Eldar [00:05:56]:
This is when Julia starts to reference those stories I've never been in, but I always go along with it. I'm like, yeah, I used to do that show with you.
Julius [00:06:03]:
Yeah, me and you never worked out like this.
Mike [00:06:05]:
I never even knew that he used to go to the gym with.
Eldar [00:06:07]:
Yeah, he did. 24 often.
Mike [00:06:09]:
24 years.
Julius [00:06:10]:
But, Mike, you were witness to me. Like, I was like, yo, I got out of high school. Like, yeah, I'm gonna get jacked.
Eldar [00:06:14]:
Mm hmm.
Mike [00:06:15]:
That's another one of those parties.
Julius [00:06:18]:
Yeah. I, of course, let a club try to kill myself and bring, like, 50 pounds. It was crazy nuts, you know?
Eldar [00:06:29]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:06:29]:
Mike's delivering pizzas every afternoon, working out in fucking night.
Mike [00:06:32]:
Like, what's up, bro?
Julius [00:06:34]:
Dude got the hottest car on the street. The hottest thing on the street.
Eldar [00:06:42]:
Yeah. Slinging pizzas.
Julius [00:06:44]:
First of all, my man's on big wheel. He didn't buy rims. It's like, you do the same thing I do. Like, I got rims on my whip now. I didn't buy rims to make them bigger. I bought rims the same size as the originals. It's different shape because I can't afford nothing bigger, bro.
Mike [00:06:59]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:07:00]:
Holy shit. And what's up, bro? Six pies an hour? Mike was like, yo, yo, that's his lease payment.
Eldar [00:07:06]:
That's his lease payment.
Julius [00:07:08]:
Lease payment. The struggle was real to be cool, right? The struggle was real.
Mike [00:07:13]:
It was very real.
Julius [00:07:13]:
The struggle was real.
Eldar [00:07:14]:
Yes.
Julius [00:07:15]:
For no damn reason.
Mike [00:07:16]:
It's very good that he walked in on this topic.
Eldar [00:07:18]:
Yeah, for sure.
Julius [00:07:19]:
What's the topic?
Eldar [00:07:20]:
Okay, so the topic, the question at hand, I was, you know, throughout our life, right, and I think that several people here are going through maybe certain changes right. In their life. Maybe mentally, emotionally, physically, whatever they are going through, right. Even you just mentioned, hey, I'm learning how to have the alcohol intake. And now you're looking in what we have in there.
Julius [00:07:42]:
There's an interior thermometer says, you gonna.
Eldar [00:07:45]:
Fill up, DJ, feel free to have one if you want. I was about to say you pass it on.
Julius [00:07:50]:
Listen, these things. I'll let you in a little secret, right? So it's like, I drink in a matter of like certain people drink, they get depressed and all that. Like my body, my body, my, my genetic pool where I come from it, my body consumes alcohol in different matter. You give me some vodka, like, dude, I'm happy. Sugar just turns into happiness, right? A lot of people get depressed. I could drink beer for hours. It does nothing to me. Literally nothing.
Julius [00:08:16]:
It's ridiculous, right? But it's. I looked into it. It's from where I'm from, drinking a lot. No, it's not.
Eldar [00:08:24]:
Doctor's here, so you better watch out.
Julius [00:08:26]:
You're right, you're right. It's tolerance, right, but it's the way certain. Certain.
Eldar [00:08:32]:
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Julius [00:08:33]:
No, but I'm gonna have a little argument about that. Little fun. No, but different people from different cultures, from born in different regions of the world are prone to more addictive personalities in certain things, right? So like, Native Americans cannot consume alcohol because their genetic pool literally gets instantly addicted to. But like. But they could friggin take peyote in a rigging cabin and like go to work. That's me. You can't do that, right? But there's many people have met full blown alcoholics. You don't even know an alcoholic.
Julius [00:09:10]:
When somebody's like, yeah, John died from alcohol. It's like, wait, I work with John for ten years. Like, yeah, he's a good alcoholic. Yeah, cuz he shows up to work just to be the limit. Right? So it's a different j and I looked into like my like genetic rock on for like the Nordics and things like that. Like I just.
Eldar [00:09:26]:
How they doing?
Julius [00:09:28]:
I actually just had answers around that. Like, I had like this genetic thing that comes from. It's from people from my genetic. I'm actually some Lithuanian, right? But my Lithuania, if I look into like my genetics, if you look some nor deeper, I'm very north Viking. I'm full blown north.
Eldar [00:09:46]:
That's northern Europe. Yeah.
Julius [00:09:47]:
So it's northern eastern Europe. So I'm not normal, right? So like the thing is, like a lot of people think of like Vikings, right? So Lithuania, we're the last ones to give up paganism. Like Christian. We took on Christianity. We took on Christianity after vikings to go on Christianity, which is like, that was unheard of, right? But that's what it was. But it kind of goes on that. So we have a very, a lot of pagan, but the trick on that is stop drinking those. Like, dude, get yourself a little vodka.
Julius [00:10:21]:
Little bottle of vodka, right? A lot of ice, half of that, a couple of shots of vodka, and you drink three of those.
Eldar [00:10:28]:
We have vodka up. There you go. Anybody wants shots?
Julius [00:10:30]:
And you're going because we have ice. You're not consuming all that sugar and all that. It's like, that's the difference. Like, it's. Yeah, you could drink. You could drink to drink yourself to sickness if actually having.
Anatoliy [00:10:40]:
No, too much sugar.
Julius [00:10:41]:
Okay, right. So it's a lot of sugar you drink. It's too much sugar. So what I do is, like, instead of me drinking, that was my whole thing. I changed from, like, mixed drinks. I was like, dude, like, this is crazy. Like, in the nightclubs, like, problem, I'm spending half my night at the bars. Like, I'm trying to.
Eldar [00:10:53]:
You get hangovers. Julie said, no, I do get.
Julius [00:10:56]:
I get hangovers. Depends what I drink. If I. If I pay attention to what I drink, I'll pay attention to what I eat today, as I'm. I plan my drinking days.
Eldar [00:11:04]:
Yeah, I don't.
Julius [00:11:05]:
I'm not like a person that's like, yeah, I'll get out of work. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna grab a beer. Like, I'll have a hangover. You know.
Mike [00:11:11]:
You know in the morning before you. What you're gonna do the next day.
Julius [00:11:15]:
Well, it's called preventive care. When you have. That's the thing. Yeah. I'll never forget when Mike gave up. You guys brought Mike over. I haven't seen Mike in, like, three years. My man opened up doors.
Julius [00:11:33]:
Like, he rang the doorbell, but the doors, like, can I help you? Mike's like, what? I was like, where's the rest of you?
Eldar [00:11:41]:
Yeah, yeah.
Julius [00:11:51]:
But it's. Dude, but doesn't change. That's when, you know, true for, like, I'm sure, like, freaking. It's like, you really have walked into the same fucking cafe. Nothing changed yesterday. No matter. It doesn't matter. That's.
Julius [00:12:01]:
That's, like, true friendship shit that comes on, like, here and there, like, all the times, like, all the friends. You hang out, like, six months every other day, like, forget that.
Eldar [00:12:09]:
So what, Julius? Always be Julius.
Mike [00:12:11]:
I hope so.
Julius [00:12:13]:
Take me with a grain of salt and pepper. Yeah, every, like, salt and pepper, bro. Like, freaking 2% milk.
Eldar [00:12:21]:
That's right.
Julius [00:12:26]:
You know what I'm saying? Somebody gonna drink almond milk? Come on, dude. You know almond milk is not good for you when. It's good. When you sit in the fridge listen.
Eldar [00:12:34]:
Joyce Joy, I stop you because I.
Julius [00:12:36]:
Have to stop you. No, no.
Eldar [00:12:38]:
Not on a topic. No. I want to just let you know that everything that you're saying is great if you just slow down just a little because we have automatic subtitles that come on. And everything that you just said was just kind of like, yeah, so just slow down just a little bit for the audience because they will definitely enjoy it a little bit more.
Julius [00:12:53]:
But you know what it is? It's getting old. It's great. Thing is, like, biggest difference I've noticed is, like, when I used to go into, like, bars when you're younger, right? Like, you walk in like, oh, this place is dead. This sucks. Let's go somewhere else, dude. If I walk into a bar, my friend tells me I walk in, and they're like, there's, like, one dude drinking in the corner. He's dead from 730 last night. The bartender, a pool table and a jukebox.
Julius [00:13:17]:
They're gold. I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving, dude. Like, it's simple as that. It's like your priorities change completely.
Anatoliy [00:13:25]:
He said, you know, almond milk is bad for you because it could stay in the fridge for 30 minutes.
Julius [00:13:29]:
Nothing that could survive the refrigerator for more than four days is good for you. Yeah, dude. It's not.
Eldar [00:13:36]:
Holy shit.
Julius [00:13:38]:
Yeah, it's not. My wife is calling me. This is interesting.
Eldar [00:13:42]:
Put on speaker then, if it's interesting.
Julius [00:13:44]:
Hello? No, I didn't get your message. May I call you back? Because I'm in the middle of conversation with elder and other patrons. That's fine. I guess I could just hang it. Yeah, that's fine. That'll work. Yeah, that's fine. All right.
Julius [00:13:56]:
Bye. Shirt thing.
Eldar [00:13:58]:
Wow. That's love right there.
Mike [00:13:59]:
Patrons.
Anatoliy [00:14:00]:
Patrons.
Julius [00:14:04]:
I don't volunteer information. Yeah, volunteering information. Literally, I've. In professional life, volunteering information has shot me in the foot too many times. You learned last, and that actually is the truth.
Eldar [00:14:19]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:14:20]:
You people, it's. I had this over investment into people, like, places I worked. Like, I was like, I'm working. You know, like, oh, dude, I'm doing great. Like, I'm making money for them. Like, dude, the day their money ends, they don't care. And, like, if you have a better opportunity and you don't leave, they're like, you're doing them a favor. It's like Eldar shooting three pointers instead of going to the basketball.
Julius [00:14:48]:
You can't guard. You can't guard. You. Why are you shooting threes? Go to the basket.
Mike [00:14:53]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:14:54]:
And it's always doing me a favor, but not shooting lamps. Yeah, I watched that until I make a life. I was like, jesus.
Eldar [00:15:01]:
Yeah, there's gonna be changes around here, man.
Julius [00:15:04]:
Bro, there's changes around anything. Come on.
Eldar [00:15:07]:
So, Julius, we're talking about an interesting phenomenon that happens when people work on themselves, right? They change their character. They change, they have a new set of beliefs, values, or whatever it is. And then when they present that to the world, the world still has kind of a lag to catch on onto your new character. So there's a very interesting thing that happens, right? Okay. Like, for example, if you're, you're, you know, dishonest for a very long time, or you were, you know, not true with others and stuff like that, and all of a sudden, you became this truth seeker, and you became very honest and stuff like that. Some people might still judge you for your old.
Julius [00:15:44]:
Correct. Cause now you've painted a different picture.
Eldar [00:15:46]:
Correct.
Julius [00:15:47]:
So it's like, it's kind of like. So there's different ways about that. When you said that right away made me think of, like, when Allie lost a lot of weight. Mm hmm. Right.
Eldar [00:15:54]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:15:55]:
And as a person with a lot of weight loss with Mike went through. Right. So right away, it's like, people's like, oh, my God, like, you look great. Like, what the hell do I look like before? Like what? What do you mean? Like, you know, like, it's like, it's kind of hard to, like, you gotta, like your Internet carrying. But that's a physical change, right? Yeah. And that physical work, whether physical, mental, professional, whatever it is, like, yes, but that's what it says. Like, your actions your entire life will reflect on your, on your, you know, your, your, your opportunities later in life. You know, that's like, it's a, it's like it's a life.
Julius [00:16:27]:
It's a life resume. Right.
Eldar [00:16:28]:
The challenging part is, though, introducing that new character to the outside world and.
Julius [00:16:33]:
Being either misunderstood, making people believe there's actually truth.
Eldar [00:16:37]:
Yeah. How long, how long does that process take? Should it be done? Should it be expected?
Julius [00:16:45]:
So, perfect example would be the reason.
Eldar [00:16:47]:
Why I'm asking this question the first. But let me just finish it. Julie says, yeah, I find that a lot of people will have a hard time introducing that new self to the world.
Julius [00:16:56]:
Themselves.
Eldar [00:16:57]:
Correct. Themselves. So. And in turn, what might be good. Right. They might get discouraged. They might get stuck a little bit. Right.
Eldar [00:17:09]:
I think we had, probably all of us in this room had a point in our lives where maybe we stopped drinking, for example. Right?
Julius [00:17:16]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:17:17]:
And we're like, now we go into that same circle of friends or whatever, and everybody's drinking, and they're like, hey, jewish, here's a drink. And you're like, oh, I don't drink anymore. And now there's a drink.
Julius [00:17:27]:
The way you an alien, Joe stopped. So it's like, people found that odd because we're an age group of like, where a lot of people, majority of people drink.
Eldar [00:17:34]:
Correct.
Julius [00:17:35]:
But if you get older and you introduce that later, it will be more acceptable. Because a lot of people that I meet in their thirties, they're like, I don't drink. And it's becoming more common, which I thought I would never come across, that. You hump my leg, I hump your face. Stop it, buddy. Stop it.
Eldar [00:17:51]:
He doesn't hump the legs. Don't worry.
Julius [00:17:52]:
He just humps this freakin washed up chinese husky.
Eldar [00:17:56]:
He doesn't understand. Yeah, yeah.
Julius [00:17:58]:
Where'd you guys get this? Ebay. Yeah. No tell, right? It was like, next time, no tell. You ain't calling nobody. You ain't telling nobody. There he goes. Yeah, that's it, bro. Listen, he's comfortable with you because you're a different skin color.
Julius [00:18:17]:
It's fine. He's like, he's one of us. He's like, if they gotta mistreat me, they can't mistreat me.
Eldar [00:18:21]:
Doing a good job or. No, she didn't even warm her up, right?
Julius [00:18:26]:
No Vaseline, just straight up. Look at it. He's licking the top of her head, like, what's up, girl?
Eldar [00:18:33]:
No, I mean, he's biting the ear a little bit.
Julius [00:18:35]:
No, he's doing it. He's doing a little nibbling.
Eldar [00:18:37]:
Look at that.
Julius [00:18:37]:
Look.
Eldar [00:18:38]:
Come here.
Julius [00:18:39]:
Sure. What's up? You should live in Hawaii at one point. It was a long time ago. It was a long time ago. Wait, I'm trying. I want to see how good my memory is and how much drugs I've done in my life, if I remember correctly.
Eldar [00:18:51]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:18:52]:
You went to med school. You became. You were in Hawaii because you were part of the military medical field. No. Yes. Okay, right, so you have Navy surgical vet. Well, vet.
Mike [00:19:05]:
Veterinarian.
Anatoliy [00:19:06]:
So veterinarian.
Julius [00:19:08]:
Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying. But you got into the medical field and you were in Hawaii because of the Navy medical, right? No. Am I saying that correct or am I thinking of something off?
Eldar [00:19:17]:
Yeah. Yeah, in a sense.
Julius [00:19:19]:
Fuck, yeah, I'm good.
Eldar [00:19:20]:
What happened, julius? When we stayed in his building, we stayed.
Julius [00:19:23]:
Me, Mike, you guys did go to Hawaii. You guys did stay.
Eldar [00:19:26]:
We stayed in his building. What happened that night after we woke up?
Julius [00:19:29]:
See, I don't recall. You probably told me a story when I was not sober.
Eldar [00:19:33]:
Yes.
Julius [00:19:33]:
Anything I learned when I'm not sober is difficult.
Eldar [00:19:35]:
We wake up, we go downstairs, we get in the car, and there's news anchors everywhere. News reporters.
Julius [00:19:42]:
Uh huh.
Eldar [00:19:42]:
They come up to us. They're like, did you hear? We're like, what? There was a murder in this building overnight. Did you know anything? We were like, no, we were just staying. We were just staying in our friend's house.
Julius [00:19:51]:
I have no recollection.
Eldar [00:19:52]:
Before.
Julius [00:19:53]:
Before we.
Eldar [00:19:54]:
Before we. Yeah, before we went to sleep. Our friend. Our friend Dre. He left the room and never came back. And there was a murder in the building. We didn't say anything, obviously. Wait, what?
Mike [00:20:06]:
Yeah, you didn't hear about this?
Eldar [00:20:07]:
Oh, well, now you do.
Julius [00:20:09]:
Wait. Hey.
Anatoliy [00:20:11]:
Never came back.
Eldar [00:20:12]:
Never came back. We woke up in the morning, he.
Anatoliy [00:20:17]:
Okay? And they wait.
Julius [00:20:21]:
No, no.
Eldar [00:20:21]:
And then in the morning, we wake up, he's not home. But there was, like. It was a domestic dispute.
Julius [00:20:35]:
Like, what's your boy?
Eldar [00:20:36]:
I think a boyfriend or a girlfriend killed.
Julius [00:20:38]:
What would you. What were you doing when you were in, what, residency? There was a domestic residency for med school.
Mike [00:20:45]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:20:45]:
That's after med school.
Julius [00:20:46]:
After. Yeah. After your resident. After med school. Yeah. It's ridiculous. That's why american doctors are in. And not for helping people.
Julius [00:20:57]:
They're in it for the money, because.
Mike [00:20:58]:
They love education so much.
Julius [00:20:59]:
In a way. Well, in a way. Well, of course it sucks, because now the insurance fights back, so, thank God you can't make money, but they make money, and I.
Eldar [00:21:08]:
And the insurance companies. And they see that they're making money.
Julius [00:21:11]:
You see, it gets everybody. Even the average jew.
Eldar [00:21:17]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:21:18]:
This is. This podcast is not discriminated. We have every kind of way.
Eldar [00:21:22]:
That's right.
Julius [00:21:23]:
That's it. Simple as that. So.
Eldar [00:21:26]:
Yeah. So, juice, did you solve the question? So, how long does it usually take? And what. What does it take?
Julius [00:21:31]:
I really think it depends of, like, what kind of, like, what kind of change you're going through. It's like, let's say somebody that goes. Somebody that has a drug overdose goes to rehab, and they get out, and everybody treats them with white gloves. Right. It's almost like a forced transition to accept that they've changed.
Eldar [00:21:46]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:21:47]:
Like, oh, God, we can't talk about drugs. Get all the pills out of the house, whatever. Like, I bring them around. Like, it's. It's like, that much it's almost like, actually makes. There's been arguments that actually. It makes people realize because they don't come back to reality.
Eldar [00:22:00]:
Correct.
Julius [00:22:00]:
Right. It's like the white glove things also, but that. It's a human psyche. Right. So the. The, you know, the helicopter parents, the devourer mother syndromes, things like that. It's like, you got to make the practice worse than the life. It really is gonna be.
Eldar [00:22:15]:
Sure.
Julius [00:22:15]:
Right. It applies in sports. UFC doctors. Like, I'm sure, like, we. It's. The harder you make it, the easiest actual, real task is gonna be, you know.
Mike [00:22:26]:
Yeah, it's.
Eldar [00:22:26]:
It's the practice. Yeah, it's.
Julius [00:22:27]:
It's super difficult. So that's what I'm saying. Like, that rehab thing is like, almost like a forced upon. Right. But, like, people, like, weight loss is another way. Right. But, like, there's certain things that people don't know. Like somebody that's at home themselves, and, like, they make drastic changes.
Julius [00:22:41]:
Like, ali, you know, she's like, I want to do this, this and that. Like, she, you know, exercise this, that. Like, people don't see that outside her home. Like, that's a private change of her personal life. Right. So it depends what change you're looking at. If it's so, like, you talking about people that are, you know, somebody a lied and think, you know, liars and things like that. Like, yeah.
Julius [00:23:01]:
Like, everybody knows about, like, everybody. Everybody already treats those people with a cushion. So for them to overcome that, it's. It's a. It's a tremendous task. But it's also, like, no matter if you're truthful or not, like, you're.
Eldar [00:23:13]:
For a long time, you won't be taken seriously, right?
Julius [00:23:15]:
No, you will not.
Eldar [00:23:16]:
Unless this what needs to happen in order.
Julius [00:23:19]:
I believe a person is considered to be, like, a backstabber or a liar. So, like, that, it has to be like, a life changing, like, a drastic event in his life, a death in a family, this, that. Something very, very drastic in his life. To use that, for him to use that is like, that's why I'll change my life.
Eldar [00:23:39]:
Okay.
Julius [00:23:40]:
Because I don't think a lot of people would believe another person. Like, oh, he can't just change.
Eldar [00:23:44]:
So you're saying you're almost like a person. In order to justify the change, the person needs to have a justification. A big justification. Reason?
Julius [00:23:52]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:23:52]:
Why they did it.
Julius [00:23:53]:
Because otherwise, a lot of times, a lot of people can't comprehend of a gradual change into something that you become. Because, like, it's. It's very difficult. Like everybody knows that a gradual change is very difficult. Yes, it's very difficult. Putting yourself in a slowly into a. Even a working out schedule. Getting into it.
Mike [00:24:12]:
Like, right.
Julius [00:24:12]:
Some people just go cold. Like quitting cigarettes. Yeah, most successes people go cold turkey.
Eldar [00:24:17]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:24:18]:
But it's so intense. It's so drastic. It's the only way heroin addicts cold turkey. Right. Alcoholism you can't do because you physically can't do it. And you know, one thing I actually saw, I don't know if you guys aware of it. I just read a medical. You mean you wrote a medical article recently, medical article recently about how the Europe is trying to ban Xanax as prescription drug.
Julius [00:24:45]:
Because there's researchers that came out that Xanax has the same effect on your body as going cold. Sarcasm. Prescription Xanax has the same effect on your body's alcohol, cardiac arrest and same receptors. Same receptors. Is this true? It works the same way. And it's actually been prescribed for people without this research for years on that. And then. And there's.
Julius [00:25:04]:
People literally are living there. Like, there's a lot of people. Xanax should be used as a band aid for bleeding finger. But it's prescribed as a. It's prescribed as a daily intake for some people. That's what it is. Xanax is not. It's a vestige phenomenon.
Julius [00:25:22]:
And I read that I was in shock. I was like, hold on a second. And then I put it to together. But because my drug use and things like that, I was like, yeah, it's like you take a half a table Xanax and you're out cold. Like, what does that physically do? Like, it's my, like, that means if you get on to that and people like, it's like, the way. Yeah, it should be used in emergency cases only.
Eldar [00:25:41]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:25:42]:
This is so intense, so strong, you know, and it's such a wild thing, but that's the same thing. Like, so getting off drugs. People getting off drugs. Like, you're asking, like, somebody going sober is a drastic thing for some people to see, right. And they're like, they'll accept that. Not forcefully, but like, they accept it with hope. Right? They accept it with hope. Like, I hope this person gets over.
Julius [00:26:03]:
Right? Like, there's a pretty high rate of failure in that. But fixing something as, like, being a habitual liar or maybe a narcissist, things like that, that's difficult to overcome.
Eldar [00:26:15]:
Hmm.
Julius [00:26:15]:
Because everybody around you already has this idea that's the way you are. This and that. Like, I mean, I know there's, I know there's an asshole side to you. I know it is. It exists. Simple as that. You know it's there.
Eldar [00:26:28]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:26:29]:
You found your way to some dude. I figured out how not to use that again.
Eldar [00:26:33]:
Well, what do you mean not again? I can use it right now if you.
Julius [00:26:38]:
Exactly. Exactly. But that's exactly, that's a whole different can of worms. There's a whole different can of worms.
Eldar [00:26:42]:
Right.
Julius [00:26:43]:
It's the can of worms of, like, people being labeled as, oh, well, he's an asshole. Right. Because people misunderstand you. Right. And then somebody that's completely, like, socially, socially weak and things like that. But they considered to be righteous, but they label you as an ass.
Eldar [00:27:00]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:27:01]:
Because they don't have the tool that you have to put somebody in their place to do the right thing.
Eldar [00:27:05]:
Yeah. Plus, they don't understand probably the intention behind it 100%.
Julius [00:27:09]:
And that's the thing. Like, that's like the quote, the psychologist Jordan Peterson, he says a man has to have the a. There's no such thing as a toxic masculine man. There's a thing about a man having a right man having a power and self control to be dangerous, but not using it.
Eldar [00:27:29]:
Hmm.
Julius [00:27:29]:
That puts you in the shoes that control the situation if it comes down to it.
Eldar [00:27:34]:
Mm hmm. Yeah.
Julius [00:27:35]:
Violence, I don't know, that just means nothing. But that's not about, it's psychological. There's like, and that's the hard part about it is how can you prove to somebody that you've changed when I'm.
Eldar [00:27:47]:
Not sure if we need to prove it, right?
Julius [00:27:49]:
I think you think genuinely, with reactions that people will grow to, like, I actually, friends of mine from college used to think I'm fucking bachelor crazy and all that. And, like, as they go on, like, we run into each other now and they're like, oh, you've grown up a little.
Eldar [00:28:04]:
Right?
Julius [00:28:04]:
So it's a maturity.
Mike [00:28:07]:
I think they were just saying, like, to be nice.
Eldar [00:28:12]:
Oh, yeah. In that case, I beg the differ, you know?
Julius [00:28:15]:
And the thing is, they actually, it touched me. It touched me dearly because I got my family. Like, my friends are my family.
Eldar [00:28:22]:
Is it important for social interactions and social acceptance? Maybe.
Julius [00:28:26]:
Well, people do a lot of crazy shit for social acceptance. They, they pretend to be, you know what I'm saying?
Eldar [00:28:30]:
Because obviously, if you're doing the change, you're not only doing it for yourself. Right. To some degree, you also still want to interact with the world. Interacting with the world. It's almost a requirement. Everybody has work everybody has jobs.
Julius [00:28:41]:
Well, it could be the reason why you want to change is because you feel like you're being pushed out of some situation you want to be in of. You know, the big. The big number is. The big thing is that people recognize as changes is weight loss. Right. The way european society's view weight. Weight is very differently than americans are. Right.
Julius [00:29:02]:
We accept oversized people in Europe as you come into a job interview, like, mike's in good, decent way. Yeah, but he's. He's a big boy motherfucker. I know you can do. Because I've seen it.
Eldar [00:29:16]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:29:17]:
I know his character has a strength to it. Right? European nations and european judge. They judge as, like, they. You come in a job interview and you 350, and you're about to walk in and be like, oh, I'm gonna be your office manager. I fucking hiring you. If you can't manage your life, you ain't gonna manage my company.
Mike [00:29:36]:
Yeah, yeah.
Julius [00:29:37]:
It's just. It's. It's. It's. It's double standard. But guess what? If you can't get yourself nor right, how can you get. How can I trust you? Make my company money? That's why you walk into a job interview, dress nice, suit and this, this and that. Like, it's.
Julius [00:29:51]:
You know. And it's. You'd be, oh, well, that's not right. Like, that's the whole question of equity inequality. You wouldn't. You want to have the same equity in a job interview as every single group of people in society. All right, that's not fair to the rest. Inequality means the best candidate goes to the top of the list.
Julius [00:30:12]:
Right?
Eldar [00:30:12]:
Cream of the crop.
Julius [00:30:14]:
If we accept that Harvard and Harvard and every Yale school, every Ivy League school in America is chinese and indian. And I'm okay with that. I'm completely okay with that.
Eldar [00:30:26]:
I think you should ask Mike. How much did he want the approval.
Julius [00:30:31]:
Of others when he was making those changes? Mike, that's a great question.
Eldar [00:30:35]:
How much of the approval of others did you want when you were making that change? What changes? Well, you know, the ones that we discussed. No, no, not that. No physical. Forget about the physics. I definitely. No, I'm not sure if I'm exploring the physical here. Physical is pretty obvious.
Julius [00:30:51]:
I feel like people have misunderstood the whole, like, physical and mental go hand in hand. Well, sure, but it's a fault. It's. You can't separate the two completely. You can't separate to do what's up with.
Eldar [00:31:01]:
Yeah, but we're talking about character development.
Julius [00:31:03]:
Yeah, well, it's buggy.
Mike [00:31:06]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:31:06]:
You're trying to say that I should fire totally for gaining weight.
Julius [00:31:11]:
No, but you should keep an eye on him. I'm sure there's a paper somewhere in Oxford have correlated that.
Eldar [00:31:23]:
Yes. Yes.
Mike [00:31:25]:
Sick. So what is the question, Andre?
Eldar [00:31:29]:
The reason I was asking that question.
Mike [00:31:30]:
No, what was the question? I haven't answered it yet, so I can't answer.
Eldar [00:31:33]:
Question was, to what extent did you want or rely on the notice, other people noticing your changes, that you've worked.
Anatoliy [00:31:42]:
Really hard on their approval or their.
Mike [00:31:44]:
When I decided that I wanted to make the changes.
Eldar [00:31:47]:
Yeah. Like, how much do you value the other opinion of others and when you were making changes, or were you looking for others to notice? Because that was the initial topic. Other people know how easy is it for them to notice. But do you real. How much did you want that?
Mike [00:32:05]:
No, I don't. I don't. I don't think that was, like, the thing that I thought about when I, like, made the change. The approval of others. No.
Julius [00:32:18]:
You had a different reason for going through it.
Eldar [00:32:21]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:32:22]:
He was trying to land the job in a european office.
Mike [00:32:28]:
No, I don't think it was for the approval of others. I think what happened was it wasn't the reason where actually, I guess, the click happened and what sparked the actual change. All right. It was hard to pinpoint, you know, because there's a lot of things, a lot of talking, a lot of stuff. But probably the biggest thing was that wanted to make the change was actually facing yourself, seeing myself for who I was and not being able to hide from it. And now I don't think. I don't think it was associated with approval. Others, more so, I guess being unhappy for like a soft landing word, you know, disgusted, but by who I was and who I actually was.
Mike [00:33:08]:
So I think that was the one that made the push. But I don't think. I'm not sure if you. If you're trying to do something for the poor, well, this is gonna last.
Julius [00:33:17]:
I think that's. That's solid. No, I can't, because that's like. That's a genuine reason. Yeah.
Eldar [00:33:24]:
So check this out. Right?
Mike [00:33:26]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:33:26]:
And in your case, no, I agree that you probably did it for the right reasons and not for approval from others. Right. However, are you still facing the same dilemma if you're working with people that haven't seen the progress of your change, but now you would like to show your progress. Right. Because it's. It's. It's paramount for you to use the new skill set that you've acquired, right. Through changing your character, who you are now.
Eldar [00:33:50]:
And plus you want to be yourself, right. It is very important for you to somehow integrate that new character with the individual's past experiences or memories of your old self. So that's the interesting part there, right? Because a lot of times if you want to be taken seriously, for example, if you now, you know, if you, you know at work and you wanted to change direction of how you going because of the reasons that you've, the new reasons that you've acquired those, some individuals might not understand you. Mm hmm.
Mike [00:34:20]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:34:20]:
You know what I'm saying? You might be like, wait a second. You know why they're not kind of fucking with me? And because I want the best for the company or the best for myself and them, but they still associated from your previous self. This is not how we do things. I don't agree with this for sure. So I think that gap is what I'm talking about. How long does it take and what will it take for them to be able to bridge that gap for you to be able to bridge that gap between the old self for the. For the perception of that individual that you're working with or closely tied? Because if you're not tied to these individuals, who gives a fuck?
Mike [00:34:52]:
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Eldar [00:34:53]:
You give a fuck. Like, you know, people just randomly in your life, I mean, to come out, you don't care. But if you're close with them, right. In relationships, for example, right. With your parents, right. I think it's an important factor.
Julius [00:35:06]:
You're not chasing that reassurement in the way.
Mike [00:35:11]:
I'm not chasing it for the reassurance.
Julius [00:35:14]:
That's because I'm trying to do it.
Mike [00:35:17]:
Because it's the right thing to do.
Eldar [00:35:18]:
He wants results now.
Mike [00:35:19]:
I want the results.
Eldar [00:35:19]:
He wants to be able to integrate his new self with the. With the reality that's still the reality and receive new, new outcomes because you'd like the outcomes to be the ones that he's control and control versus somebody else.
Julius [00:35:32]:
I hate what things like when people use the word addiction as a negative, right? Hold on. So, like, if you're, if you're a person, if you're a person that works out, right? And things like that. Like, right? And it's like, I remember like, what I never used to lift in high school. None of that. Me and others play basketball. Like, dude, this is this basketball, bro. I don't live to freaking get better from whooping ass, bro. Whatever, bro.
Julius [00:35:56]:
It was enough, bro. I'm 35 years old, I'm still whooping ass.
Eldar [00:36:00]:
I can't wait for you to jump on our team.
Julius [00:36:05]:
This whole thing is like, it's, you have you, you set your own standard, right? And it's like when we talk about you talking about the whole change, right? So it's like when people change physically, people are aware of it, right? People are aware of it. When people, some people, I have co workers that I actually, a lot of guys that work for me, they're my, you know, like, they're my partners. I'm their foreman. But I don't. I treat everybody. Did I. I treat myself as, like I have no. Above them.
Julius [00:36:33]:
I take everybody's input, and I've noticed some guys, you got to read people. Some guys are going through shit, right? Like, guys I've never called out of work all, like, one. Once this week, another week, something's going on, right? And these people are going through change. Like, I was like, you know, Ashton is like. And some people now open to talk about it, and some people are waiting for somebody to ask you that question, right. Just to open up because they have nobody to spill the beans, right. And that helps to change, right. But I actually explains it because that trickles down.
Julius [00:37:02]:
Like, I was like, everybody's, like, I found out, like, this guy's going through a divorce, right? You know, all that. And I like, and he's one of the greatest workers I've ever had, and he's literally just dragging ass. It was like, john, what's up? It's like, I looked at it in a way. I was like, all right, let me figure out what to give to John to do that, where he doesn't feel like he's really fucking up. Like, I'm going through divorce, and now I'm fucking up in my job, right? So it's like, so I was like, all right, let me just put him, let me send him to the office. I want to review some of the old friends, whatever.
Mike [00:37:31]:
Like, take a nap on the couch.
Julius [00:37:34]:
It gave him a little, you know, where he's, like, not under pressure to, like, take care, you know, to perform and manage other people and not we. He's feeling himself. Like he came in his own life right now, right? And, and it's not like work, like, in your backyard. Like, dude, I'm on the life tracks. This third rail. You step on the wrong way, party's over. And all it takes is somebody being not. No, not.
Julius [00:37:55]:
That's not a joke.
Mike [00:37:56]:
Taking a long mouth.
Julius [00:37:58]:
It takes the thing of, like, a person has been in business for so many years. You become complacent because something took your mind off of things, right? And it's, it's, it's this all day. It's. It's very, very. It's almost. They say the older you get, they say, like, oh, you got wiser. Like, you know, you get injured. It's like, no, it's like your luck runs stereotype.
Julius [00:38:17]:
Your luck runs out because you become complacent. Like, when we drive and we get older. Ah, shit. I should have looked, right? It's like, because you've done, like, you've done this so many times. Like, when I drive, I can take. I started to get home and like, all right. I don't remember last 35 miles. No, I'm talking, like, I got into the zone.
Julius [00:38:42]:
Cause it's such a natural thing to be.
Mike [00:38:44]:
That's automatic.
Julius [00:38:44]:
Like, it doesn't. I like, I don't. You're not driving a tough, like, yo, I didn't realize this. I don't know if you guys really, like, 50% of people were like, I'm not behind the wheel and they're going to the car. Like, they get in the car, I'm like, I'm fucking nervous. I'm like, dude. I'm like, like, I don't know. Like, I see them drive.
Julius [00:39:02]:
Like, you can't drive.
Mike [00:39:04]:
Not 50, probably.
Julius [00:39:05]:
Like. Like, the only person I wish, the only people I've ever fallen asleep in a car with is him. And him. Cuz I trust about a drive ever. And he's falling asleep in my car. Like, I. I could be falling asleep, I'll put my wife in a driver's seat and I'd be like, you gotta drive. I'll get in the passenger seat.
Julius [00:39:20]:
I can't sleep.
Mike [00:39:21]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:39:22]:
Like, I'm gonna die. Yeah, like that. That's a trust issue, right? Like, if the day Allie came home, she was like, I went to Raleigh training school. Like, right. That would be a change, right. In her driving school, that'd be a change. But, like, I don't believe it.
Eldar [00:39:35]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:39:36]:
I have to see in action. I need you to teach it.
Eldar [00:39:39]:
You have to teach.
Julius [00:39:39]:
I need. It's either I have to teach you, or you have to prove yourself to me.
Eldar [00:39:44]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:39:44]:
Like, I have to be sitting passenger seat. Five deer run out of the road and you dodge all five and we still make it home. Then you could drive my car any day you want. Yeah, but that's. It's a simple thing, but that's like, that simplified stupidity of what you told me about change, I'm not gonna believe you change until you prove it to them.
Mike [00:40:01]:
So that's what we're talking about. How do you show the people?
Julius [00:40:04]:
How do you, so it's little by little, his actions. It's, it's just small things. It's, it's like, I mean, it's.
Mike [00:40:11]:
Is it?
Julius [00:40:11]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:40:11]:
Is this thing you can do to explain the process?
Julius [00:40:17]:
Like, yeah. What's up, guys? People gotta feel for people to expedite that process. They almost gotta feel sorry for you.
Eldar [00:40:24]:
I'm still not sure whether or not it's necessary. The burden of you is proving your new character is on you.
Julius [00:40:28]:
It isn't, but I think that burdens a lot of people that go through change. Like, when Allie was going through weight loss and, like, people approaching, like, she's like, like it discouraged, I was like, what the fuck was wrong with me for? Like, you know that because she had a drastic weight. Weight loss. Right. And like, it kind of, like people don't realize that when they say that, they take, they say is a compliment, but it's an insult. You know, I think people notice a lot more.
Eldar [00:40:54]:
Your subconscious can process like 5 million inputs, right? Like this.
Julius [00:40:59]:
Yes.
Eldar [00:40:59]:
You're not going to tell the person, like, for example, if someone is speaking a language, they're, they're learning a language. They're not very good, but someone like, you know, someone talked English to you. You're not, generally, native speakers are bad teachers. You understand them.
Julius [00:41:14]:
You're not going to. Yeah. You're not going to correct them.
Eldar [00:41:16]:
Grammar wrong.
Mike [00:41:16]:
Yeah, yeah.
Julius [00:41:17]:
Because you get the gist of the situation.
Eldar [00:41:19]:
So they're self conscious. They're like, oh, you know, I didn't say that. But it's kind of a similar thing with what you're talking about because this, people are, first of all, people are kind of self centered in a sense. So they're thinking about their own life and their own problem. They do notice those things. I just think they're not showing mic or not showing you. Like, that's interesting. Subconsciously it is landing.
Eldar [00:41:43]:
I think they're being noticed.
Julius [00:41:44]:
Yeah, yeah. You are being noticed. But they don't express it because they don't want to. They don't want to, but they probably.
Eldar [00:41:49]:
Don'T have the ability to connect.
Mike [00:41:50]:
The dog.
Julius [00:41:52]:
You're correct very slowly, like, but I.
Anatoliy [00:41:57]:
Don'T think that it's have a attachment to do so. Then I think that you'll actually stumble.
Julius [00:42:03]:
I think that's a great, that's a great point, right? It's like, it's something like, let's say somebody, like, let's say I go cold circuit, I stop drinking it. All that, right? And all. Everything, right?
Eldar [00:42:13]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:42:14]:
You've never had a conversation with my mother about me being a party or drinking and all that, but, like, if I go cold circuit and all that, you're not gonna recognize me. Come up. I was like, oh, it's great. Julie's is doing freaking awesome. Like, I don't wanna. I don't know what the line of boundaries are. Not, like, how is the issue is, like, if somebody being an alcoholic or a drug addict or way overweight or depressed, this. That, like, the outside people don't want to step into the conversation.
Julius [00:42:37]:
When a person changes, these are negatives going to positives, like. Right. But there's a lot of other things that people go through. Like, people have OCD where they came all the room without flicking the lights for seven times, and then that stops. But you don't know that for them, there's a humongous step, but it's not recognized because it's not a norm. Yeah, it isn't a norm. So it's almost like saying, like, oh, like, if you're an. A straight a student, like my father, tell me, like, what, do you want me to congratulate you for doing what you're supposed to?
Eldar [00:43:05]:
Mm hmm.
Julius [00:43:06]:
Right. Because there's a norm.
Eldar [00:43:08]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:43:08]:
We don't understand the outside of the norm thing. So, like, when somebody does the norm, we're not gonna recognize, like, oh, great. You're like, you don't do this anymore. Yeah, that's where I think it falls apart, where, like, falls off, where people don't get recognized for changing their life to positive.
Eldar [00:43:22]:
And what if the people start noticing change and ask you about the change? Are you obligated to explain the process?
Julius [00:43:27]:
Well, it depends on. I really think it depends on the subject, really, what it comes down to. You know, for some people, you know, drug abuse is very hard to talk about. You know? You know, alcoholism, things like that, it's different. But, like, if somebody has, like, a friend of mine who's bipolar and all that, like, I never knew, and I thought it was just batshit crazy. I swear to God. Never knew. Nobody ever diagnosed none of that.
Julius [00:43:57]:
Dizzy was going through life being bipolar till he was 42 years old. And, like, now he's on I lined. I don't know. I was like, listen, you gotta try this. That, you know, like, these meds would go out of balance. He's a bull in a china shop. Greatest electrician I've met in my life. The greatest electrician I've ever met in my life.
Julius [00:44:21]:
And the thing is, like, with sheer luck is like he would literally do everything right and then something wrong and all that. And the building will be on fire. He'll walk out and you'll burn. Cause you'll try to help him because he's such a nice person.
Eldar [00:44:33]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:44:34]:
Because you don't understand that he has a serious psychological issue that doesn't ring a bell to him whatsoever. Right. So it's like. And the day he went on to full regiment of medicine and all that, dude, I could run it for Congress tomorrow.
Mike [00:44:52]:
Yeah, it just.
Julius [00:44:53]:
It's just that crazy of the right things of medicine and all that. Like, it just puts it in the right place. Because you already have. You already had that in him. He's some crazy shit going on in his life, dude. Like, I mean, it's like the stories you told me, I can't do it. It's like, it's. I might as well sign an NDA because he'll run me over a car if I tell you because it's nuts.
Julius [00:45:13]:
And this is a respectful man has been working for years and years and years. It's fucking amazing. That said, it's like that. But the things that you can reverse like that. Nothing's a dead end, dude. Nothing's a dead end. But, you know, it's tough. Like, I mean, we had perfect example.
Julius [00:45:29]:
Like we know. Do you believe that certain things, like changes, like too far gone. What do you mean too far gone? Like change is not. The change will not happen because it's too far gone. Is too much effort to reverse.
Eldar [00:45:42]:
No, I think there's just changes is not. It's not the right timing. Everything for some people.
Julius [00:45:47]:
So the guys like me. You knew surge, right?
Eldar [00:45:51]:
Yeah, we knew.
Julius [00:45:52]:
Like, we knew what that kid was like, it would make. No. If I told surge's story to people that were in high school with me in my grade and play basketball, they couldn't believe me. They're like, you're lying.
Eldar [00:46:04]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:46:04]:
There's no way in house surge became. Yeah, that's the drastic point about it. Like, where it gets so, like. And I was very upset at some people from my grade because I went in, like, donations, things like that. Like, you know, Zade is like right away. Like I. Right away. The people I knew, they're gonna donate.
Julius [00:46:20]:
Donated right away. And if you let knew they're gonna do whatever, didn't and I just. I'm not gonna measure your character by you not donating to that cause, but I'm gonna measure you by that factor because I know what you were before, because I already assumed you're not gonna do that.
Eldar [00:46:41]:
So what's your question?
Julius [00:46:42]:
Right. So there's, like. It's, as they say, you're actually certain. Actually you can disprove things, like doing such a small thing like that would have. I don't think the people are truthful. Not everybody's true. Some people change to just fill the void.
Eldar [00:46:54]:
Well, your question was about the change. Right. Whether or not it's too late.
Julius [00:46:57]:
But that's the thing. Is it too late something when it's because it's more. You know, because it's physical, psychological, and sociological and all that. Like, there's too many factors that fall into place where, like, unless you have a support system, how I understand why people get into these dark places, you know, it sucks. I mean, that's. And that's when change doesn't. You know, that it's hard to change. You know, you're trying.
Julius [00:47:19]:
You feel like you're going uphill.
Eldar [00:47:21]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:47:21]:
You know, that's what's tough. You know? But it's. Listen, as long you don't reach the top of the hill, falling at the edge, you're all right.
Eldar [00:47:30]:
Yes, exactly.
Julius [00:47:32]:
All right, cool. You got to maintain that. That's what it is. You got to just maintain that sanity.
Eldar [00:47:36]:
Yeah. Anybody else have a questions about this particular thing so we can move on to the next tollies thing, since we kind of, you know, Drew has helped us out with it, so.
Mike [00:47:45]:
So the verdict on this thing is that. No, you shouldn't. I mean, the verdict is that you shouldn't do it for them to. Like, kind of.
Eldar [00:47:55]:
Well, my question was, how long does it take or whatever, with the. With maybe an assumption that I would like for it to take faster than it should. Right. Because you'd like to be on that course. But now that we talked about it, I realized that, uh, take.
Mike [00:48:09]:
How long is it gonna take? Yeah.
Eldar [00:48:11]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:48:11]:
I don't think there's other.
Julius [00:48:12]:
Blow up my own spot. I called all dar, what, a month ago? Like, dude, like, I mean, I'm gonna place.
Eldar [00:48:18]:
That was four months ago.
Julius [00:48:19]:
Exactly. Like, three. Four months ago. Like, I'm in the spot. I was like. I'm. Like. I realized, like, I might teeter over the actions.
Julius [00:48:28]:
Like, just, you know, just in case. Just, like, I'm gonna try to do what I could do. Like, I'm not gonna go cold circuit on this, this. And I was like, but I need you just call him once in a while, see if I'm, you know, in my level. Right. And he knows, like, he, he understands not to step out of boundaries. Like, let's go, come on, let's do this right. It's like he just did that.
Julius [00:48:51]:
I'm a type of character where, like, I gotta. If I was willing to reach out to him to begin with, I don't have. I have to be willing myself to wind myself off of whatever I'm not happy with, but I have to. Somebody just has to wash my back in a way, you know? And that's. That's like, how I been doing.
Mike [00:49:11]:
Good.
Julius [00:49:12]:
Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's, there's. Sometimes you hit it right on frickin right. Nail in the.
Eldar [00:49:17]:
At the right timing. Right.
Julius [00:49:18]:
It's ridiculous. It's almost scary.
Eldar [00:49:21]:
Yeah, I stopped feeling it.
Julius [00:49:22]:
It's almost scary. I was like, I was like, yo, this motherfucking nose, dude. You know? And it's. The thing is, like, it's literally, it's like there's certain people. You have to go closer. You have to wind yourself off. Like. But the wind yourself off is like, for me, it's been two years.
Eldar [00:49:37]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:49:37]:
So wind yourself off is. Ain't that easy, but. Cause small little victories. You make him look like, this big, right? Like, you're fucking for six months and you not going sober for six weeks is like, I won. Like, not, motherfucker, you've been fucked up for six months. You only been sober for six weeks. So what are we talking about here? And that's the whole thing is, like, people recognizing your change, right? Like, nobody would know.
Eldar [00:50:01]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:50:01]:
Nobody would know. Like, nobody's gonna sit there like, pat you on your back. Like, yo, you're doing great. Almost. I don't feel like it's like people pat me on my back. It's like, bro, I'm good. I can go back on a minor dose of drugs. Right.
Julius [00:50:13]:
It's almost, like, counterproductive.
Eldar [00:50:15]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:50:16]:
You know, it's like, oh. So I'm doing real aggression. I'm gonna slow down on what I'm doing. Like, nah, dude. Like, sky's limited. Boogie down, bro. Fucking.
Eldar [00:50:23]:
You're worthwhile.
Julius [00:50:24]:
You're worthwhile. It's you guys. It's you against the world, brother. Come on now. You know? But it's. It's all it is, is you gotta get, you know, make some money. Does that put a ladder on your back and take everybody with you? That's the goal.
Eldar [00:50:40]:
You feel that, DJ? You want to get more comfortable, get.
Julius [00:50:46]:
You a different chair, you walk off, dude, it's it.
Eldar [00:50:52]:
Feel free to take another one. You guys take as many as you want.
Julius [00:50:55]:
Yeah. Geez. I'll pose down.
Eldar [00:50:56]:
Yeah. All right, so let's transition. Totally. Introduce the next thing that you thought was profound and interesting to the room, and if you could put the mic into your face, that'd be great.
Anatoliy [00:51:07]:
Yeah. What, what does it say, Mike? The night, the next one.
Mike [00:51:09]:
Excitement must come from being wrong.
Eldar [00:51:14]:
Wow, that's profound.
Anatoliy [00:51:16]:
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I.
Eldar [00:51:18]:
Anybody want to take a guess at it before he explains it?
Julius [00:51:20]:
Can you say that one more time?
Eldar [00:51:21]:
Yeah.
Mike [00:51:21]:
Excitement must come from being wrong, and.
Eldar [00:51:25]:
There'S a reason, obviously, why he said it the way he did. I'd be interested to know if anybody can take a stab at it to see if you can make sense of what that means.
Mike [00:51:34]:
I know Drake got the answer right.
Julius [00:51:36]:
Take a kick at it.
Eldar [00:51:37]:
Excitement, lost circle.
Mike [00:51:40]:
He says he's the only one here who's sober and.
Eldar [00:51:42]:
Okay.
Julius [00:51:47]:
Mike, you got to. You have to understand the level, what it means for me to.
Mike [00:51:51]:
The more you drink, the smarter you get.
Julius [00:51:56]:
Did you call me last week about some shit about things that regenerate?
Anatoliy [00:52:01]:
I did, yeah.
Eldar [00:52:02]:
Yes.
Julius [00:52:02]:
You know, blind, how drunk I was.
Eldar [00:52:04]:
Nah. Yeah, you still gave it. Give it. Give us something.
Julius [00:52:06]:
Did I ask?
Eldar [00:52:07]:
You did answer. You were in the right. You were in the amphibian area, so you were right.
Julius [00:52:12]:
Yeah. So I'm sorry to rob it. I just remembered, I was like. Yeah, it was like something. It was. Oh, now I remember. It was, uh, suddenly to stop his heartbeat. That's.
Eldar [00:52:21]:
Yes.
Julius [00:52:21]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:52:21]:
That's an animal, right? An animal that can completely stop its heartbeat. There's no vitals whatsoever, so it's clinically dead. It's clinically dead.
Julius [00:52:30]:
So revival wood frog.
Eldar [00:52:32]:
It's a wood frog.
Anatoliy [00:52:33]:
For the whole winter. It freezes itself.
Julius [00:52:35]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:52:36]:
And all its village organs stop completely. No heartbeat, nothing.
Julius [00:52:42]:
True hibernation. True hibernation.
Anatoliy [00:52:46]:
Hard.
Julius [00:52:46]:
It freezes up in time.
Eldar [00:52:48]:
Yeah, but that's the piece of ice.
Julius [00:52:51]:
Yeah, we could talk about that after this. So let's go. Hey, let's talk about Soli's topic. Yeah, we gonna. We gonna talk about that afterwards because I'm gonna give you an insight in a little.
Eldar [00:53:01]:
I can't wait.
Julius [00:53:02]:
A little stock tip.
Eldar [00:53:04]:
Julius. Oh, can't wait to leapfrog the shit. Julius. Try to take a stab at it. Mike, you should only get excited, right?
Mike [00:53:12]:
What is it must come from being wrong.
Eldar [00:53:15]:
Excitement must. He says, must explain. Let's take a stab at it, okay? Why does it. Must.
Julius [00:53:24]:
Right. So, being wrong. Right. Being wrong. So excitement. Excitement could be to being terrified. Happiness and that. Right.
Julius [00:53:33]:
So being wrong. Like, let's say you get caught right handed when you. You come home, you tell your mother's like, yeah, I got straight a's. Reporter comes out like, you know, you cooked. You're done. You. I mean, it's lying. That's.
Julius [00:53:47]:
That's lying. Right? That's lying.
Eldar [00:53:49]:
Right?
Julius [00:53:49]:
So, being wrong. Oh, I'm sorry. I miss. I miss being wrong. Right? So I've been. I've been in a position where, on a project, I thought 100% I'm right. Like, I was like, I did my research. All that.
Julius [00:53:59]:
I'm like, there's no way I'm wrong on this. Like, I was like, I'll put my name on it all day, right? And. And a person and an engineer came in and did a review of my. Of my findings. That. And because I was going by state of New York things, I was that. There I was, dude, I would have put my house up in my life. I brought that to rights.
Julius [00:54:21]:
I'm right. There's no way in hell that law says that. I know it's that, but I forgot I was in Iowa because I thought it was. No, so, hold on. This is the fucked up part about american government.
Eldar [00:54:35]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:54:35]:
There's federal law. This federal standard I follow, right? And underneath the federal standard, there's a state standard that they could do whatever the hell they want. So the federal standard says, like, you got to drive 34 miles an hour. And a state standard be like, fuck the federal standard. We're driving 72. It overlaps as long as you're inside the state.
Eldar [00:54:56]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:54:57]:
So I'm like, that's a rise. Like, yeah, bro. Dude, I. There's no way, bro. I'm right. And the guy will shot the stand. Like, I read. I was like, fuck me, dude.
Julius [00:55:08]:
I was like, dude, I am so wrong. I was like, the habitus came over. Like, I'm so wrong. It's like. But nobody else knows this. I was like, I'm the only dude that knows what this is. Like. I was like.
Julius [00:55:22]:
It's almost like I was upset for being wrong, but I was excited for learning something new.
Eldar [00:55:27]:
Well, that's interesting.
Mike [00:55:28]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [00:55:28]:
Yeah. I mean, that's part of it.
Eldar [00:55:30]:
There you go.
Anatoliy [00:55:31]:
So, like, you know, if you think about it, I guess when you're, like, grown up and stuff, right.
Eldar [00:55:37]:
Like.
Anatoliy [00:55:39]:
Currently, probably most people here, right? Like, your association with being wrong is a bad thing. Like, it's a bad feeling.
Julius [00:55:47]:
You look at it. Something not to learn from.
Anatoliy [00:55:50]:
Yeah. Well, I think growing up, right, like, you, I don't know, somehow get this, like, learnings or, like, these behaviors of being wrong is bad. And then, like, you just continue through life, and any time where you're wrong about something, it's always some kind of bad situation. Or you start developing, like, an ego towards it.
Eldar [00:56:10]:
Right. Or, like.
Julius [00:56:11]:
Yeah, just.
Anatoliy [00:56:12]:
You get.
Julius [00:56:12]:
Yeah, just country in the world.
Anatoliy [00:56:14]:
Yeah, you get upset. But I think that, like, the biggest sense of excitement should come from being wrong because you just found out that you were wrong. So why are you not excited?
Julius [00:56:27]:
Yeah, that's.
Eldar [00:56:29]:
You said that at the end of your example where you said, hey, I got excited because I learned something new, and now I have this knowledge, and I'm empowered by this new knowledge, and I'm excited about it.
Julius [00:56:40]:
But that used to apply back in the day where people. Because people had to do trial and error research that. Trial and error, that's the way it was, right? Today's day and age. Mister doctor over here would say, mister PhD. There's. You can run simulations, things like that. They resume. Even the VR.
Julius [00:56:58]:
Like, the surgeries are in VR now. Like, it's like, they run simulation, things like that. It's like. It's almost more precise than a human hand could do. Right? And it's. It's. But the things, like, being wrong, like you said, like, your parents always, like, oh, you did something wrong. Like, and the parents, their parents will punish you, and not all the time.
Julius [00:57:17]:
Especially your parent parents. Like, you didn't get an explanation why you was wrong. Like, no, you're getting your ass whooped.
Eldar [00:57:23]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:57:24]:
And I will never forget my grandma's yellow. Like, you better figure out why I'm whooping you.
Eldar [00:57:29]:
So what happens? You start becoming. Yeah. So then you start becoming, you know, creative in ways to avoid punishment.
Julius [00:57:37]:
Correct.
Eldar [00:57:38]:
Right. Because you're wrong, you know? Like, wait, I don't want to get the whooping correct. I'm gonna. I'm gonna come with. Next time, I'm gonna lie. Next time I'm gonna justify.
Julius [00:57:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [00:57:47]:
Encourages and everything else.
Julius [00:57:48]:
And, like, what they call. Like, what do you agree with things? Like, they call a white lie.
Anatoliy [00:57:51]:
Right?
Julius [00:57:52]:
Like, so something that doesn't. Doesn't affect anything. I was like, listen, somebody's on a receiving end, and I lied. Affects somebody. Yeah, right? Like, it's like, I see that white lie to your mom or your sister, your brother, whoever it is. Like, it's, to them is a sign of betrayal, as stupid as it is. Yeah, right. Like, we don't catch it.
Julius [00:58:12]:
Cuz it's so simple. Like, you know, like, it's like, you guys, your mother's like, I'll give you $20. I'm going to shop. Right? I'm gonna bring you back to change. She's like, my change should be like, $8. Like, no, it's three. Like, it doesn't cause any damage. But, like, now your mom doesn't like this.
Julius [00:58:26]:
All right. He's got it in him.
Eldar [00:58:28]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:58:29]:
Let's say, like, now you. Now you have a prerequisite.
Eldar [00:58:31]:
Yeah.
Julius [00:58:32]:
You know, that goes on and goes on. It builds and builds and builds. But it's. It's, it's. It's. It has to be faced as a learning thing. Like failure. It's just another way to get to.
Anatoliy [00:58:44]:
Yeah. But I think for a lot of people, like, being wrong or failing and, like, coming to terms with that. Yeah. Is. Oh, it is definitely more viewed as a bad thing. And they will live their whole life avoiding at all costs being wronged.
Julius [00:59:02]:
Would you think. Would you label me as, like, this anti liberal Republican if I told you participation trophies were created for american kids to feel accepted and failure, which actually ruined the entire generations coming up behind us? Like, we should be worried because we're in the same age group, because the kids below the kids that are coming up, that are gonna pay mine and your Social Security are the ones that say, like, no, we're all equal.
Eldar [00:59:31]:
That's a good thing for us.
Julius [00:59:32]:
No, no, it's not. Because we're not gonna have any money. Like, DJ's right under us, right?
Eldar [00:59:37]:
Like, they think we're all the generation.
Julius [00:59:38]:
Coming up on DJ. They're actually getting smarter now. Like, they're actually.
Eldar [00:59:41]:
It sounds like they're gonna be very.
Julius [00:59:43]:
Gxs and all that. The kids that right now, 1617 in high school, actually getting smarter than the ones that are, like, out of college because, like, they created an app. Have you guys heard this? There's an app where, like, they. They hang out and, like, you could set up plans. You can set plans up to meet somebody or your phone. Like, your app shuts down on Tuesday and your plans are on Thursday. You can never change them.
Eldar [01:00:04]:
What?
Julius [01:00:07]:
It's an app. So it's like a fun dating. Not a dating app, but like a social app where, like, in California is very big. So, like, these young kids, like, freshman in college, seniors in high school, they need technology to force them not to use technology. So they created this app. Like, you meet something like, oh, let's meet up on. Let's meet up. And what meetup means is, like, I think it's called the apps called Wednesday or Thursday, something like that.
Julius [01:00:33]:
It's called the day of the week. Like, you meet somebody online and you set plans, and it's always for the Thursday. Right. So it's like, mixers and things like that in the city for signals that. But your app, you cannot reach out to that person to change planets. So, like, you're set in stone.
Eldar [01:00:51]:
Oh, okay.
Julius [01:00:52]:
And the mentality of the kids growing up now, like, they can't disappoint people, so they have to show up. Oh. So forces them that. But they have no way of contacting them. Yeah, but if there's any. But that's what it is. Like, how crazy that they need technology. They need an app to remove them from using an app.
Eldar [01:01:11]:
What's wrong with that?
Julius [01:01:12]:
It's nothing wrong with it. It's a paradox.
Anatoliy [01:01:14]:
It's a full circle.
Julius [01:01:15]:
It's a full circle paradox.
Eldar [01:01:16]:
Yeah. Which is necessary.
Julius [01:01:17]:
Which is necessary, but. Right. So it's like, we're the ones that still know how to use a fax machine and rotary phone works, right? Whole circle. Right.
Eldar [01:01:23]:
For the last four, six months.
Julius [01:01:26]:
Bro, you're running a company. They use an ancient writing method to market. Do you understand? Your company is a paradox that works completely fine.
Eldar [01:01:35]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:01:36]:
Because it gives you. So it's like you. It's almost like musicians say we have to go backwards to go forward because we've lost connections. So everything you provide, it's just reversing the loss of connection that went ahead because what you were doing now existed 20 years ago from everyone.
Eldar [01:01:54]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:01:55]:
But it disappeared. So we're like, all right, so technology.
Mike [01:01:58]:
Developed faster than now, you know?
Julius [01:02:00]:
So it's like. Exactly. So you were like, I'm gonna provide a service that disappeared because it's still needed, but people realize that it might not be because the impersonal thing is that. Right? Like, catching that stupid note in the freaking envelope. Like, this motherfucker got me. Got me. That's it. Now I have to call you?
Eldar [01:02:19]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:02:20]:
Like, there's no other company in the world. There's no other marketing thing that I could tell you. Like, literally, I said, like, everything I'm gonna put in a piece of mail that comes out of my shop is gonna get open.
Eldar [01:02:30]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:02:30]:
I guarantee you, hunt, I give you 99.9%. Unless the garbage can't light, unless the mailbox lights on fire.
Eldar [01:02:37]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:02:38]:
That's your odds of that piece of mail that, you know.
Eldar [01:02:40]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:02:41]:
Because if you could walk down the street in New York City and ask somebody, will you, when you get a piece of mail that a stamp and a handwriting on it, what do you do with it? No, I'm just telling you, like, do you read? Do you read? Do you read who is from? Or you just open it instantly? If IR's sent that many letters and hand, like, you should just get a job, you should get a freaking contract with IR's. Because if you sent letters of IR's, of taxes with that and they open it and they look at it now, they're legally liable to pay, but people claim that they never open it. But what are the odds of them not opening when it's handwritten? What? That's it. You're part of the system. Although you're done. But it's an insane thing. Sorry, getting off topic.
Eldar [01:03:27]:
That's all right.
Julius [01:03:28]:
But, uh, yeah, that's a difficult. It's a difficult thing, man.
Eldar [01:03:33]:
It's okay, then how. How do you have to then reverse engineer your brain that is already positioned to get disappointed, you know?
Julius [01:03:42]:
Well, I think they're not wide. It's called your condition.
Eldar [01:03:47]:
Conditioned.
Julius [01:03:48]:
You're conditioned to accept.
Mike [01:03:50]:
How do you. Uncondition. How do we do it now? Think about this.
Eldar [01:03:53]:
If it's this way, if it's the right way.
Mike [01:03:55]:
Yeah, think about it. To do it this way now.
Julius [01:03:57]:
Well, I try to. Unconditional class of 8th graders.
Eldar [01:04:02]:
You were a substitute?
Julius [01:04:03]:
I was. I was a basketball coach for three weeks. So it was like, I stepped in. This is a true story. This is true stories. This is how crazy the world has gotten.
Eldar [01:04:13]:
Mm hmm.
Julius [01:04:14]:
The true story. So I'm, like, sitting there like all the parents, like, you know, like, yeah. You know, like, it's not about winning. It's all about, like, you know, just playing the game and all that. Like, there's a bunch of kids in the team was like, yeah, you guys are good. Like, you really like to lose. Like dope, bro. We like to win.
Julius [01:04:27]:
Like, all right, so, like, I had a speech, like, set all the kids down. Like, I was like, listen, like, sorry to say, if your father says winnings, winning doesn't matter. Your father's a loser, because winning is the only thing that matters if you want to be on top. Doesn't matter. You out. And I was like, you will. You will meet enemies, best friends, family, whatever. In that journey of getting.
Julius [01:04:58]:
Getting to win something. Right. Like on a basketball team, when you're in, like, 8th grade, you'll. You'll. You'll find friends and teammates and things like that. You have to get over, like, at that young age, you still got to get over your stupid, you know, social issues if you want to win. You literally got to learn social skills at that age to get to the next level. And we're literally telling people, like, that doesn't matter as long as you just show up.
Julius [01:05:26]:
Showing up is enough. Let's apply that to the medical field. Showing up is enough. I'm sorry. I'll try better next time.
Eldar [01:05:36]:
Why would you. Why would you try next time?
Julius [01:05:38]:
Well, that's the thing. It's the picture that's painted that. It's.
Eldar [01:05:43]:
Yeah, I don't know how that's, like, translated towards medical field and, like.
Julius [01:05:46]:
But that's. But then that's what I'm saying. Like, how. Why would you teach?
Eldar [01:05:51]:
I think there's.
Julius [01:05:55]:
In hindsight, yeah. The children that grew up. I have a friend of mine, he's a heart surgeon in UCLA medical in California. And this kid was an athlete. This. That. He did many things, but he's one of the youngest published heart surgeons in the world in the medical digest. And he was, you know, a very interesting character.
Julius [01:06:19]:
But if somebody. If he was always hungry because he was an immigrant, he always told. Everybody told him he was not enough, he wasn't enough. I personally think if somebody told me, like, oh, trying is just good enough, he would have never been that person.
Eldar [01:06:33]:
Hold on a second. Let me tell this friend right now.
Mike [01:06:34]:
Yes, please calm down. Please.
Julius [01:06:37]:
You know what I'm saying? We never became that person. Yeah. He's changing the world. He's changing lives today.
Eldar [01:06:42]:
So what?
Julius [01:06:43]:
He's literally changing lives. And that's the whole thing. Of the whole thing. Like, you're talking about, you know, people. Oh, if you don't feel guilty and this. No, it's a personal. It's a personal. It's a personal cornerstone of your own personality.
Julius [01:07:03]:
That's what it's gonna take. I mean, you know, it's the whole thing. The sheep, there's wolves, and there's fucking wolf dogs, bro.
Eldar [01:07:10]:
What's up?
Julius [01:07:14]:
You want me to explain that analogy? Would you like me to sheep and there's wolves, and there's a dog in the farm that protects the sheep from the wolf. That should be the people in this room. That's why we're sitting here talking about it, because the sheep are not doing shit. They're sitting at McDonald's drive through.
Eldar [01:07:35]:
Yeah. I'm not sure if we're doing anything or should we do anything.
Julius [01:07:39]:
Just talking about is doing something.
Eldar [01:07:41]:
Okay.
Julius [01:07:41]:
Just talking about is doing something.
Eldar [01:07:44]:
You know, I don't think there's a mission to save those people or me.
Julius [01:07:47]:
Raise awareness that about saying. It's not about raising my saving. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's. It's.
Julius [01:07:52]:
It's. It's a human. It's a human gene genome paradox.
Eldar [01:07:57]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:07:58]:
No matter what, it's always going to be the sheep. There's always be the wolves, and it's always you, the ones that protect the sheep from the wolves. Simple as that.
Eldar [01:08:07]:
Okay.
Julius [01:08:08]:
It exists. Existed for millions of years.
Eldar [01:08:13]:
So how does that help your argument?
Anatoliy [01:08:15]:
I'm not sure.
Julius [01:08:16]:
Doesn't help them at all.
Eldar [01:08:18]:
Okay, so what are you gonna do about it? How are you gonna actually reverse engineer your. Your. Your condition?
Anatoliy [01:08:27]:
Yeah. Well.
Eldar [01:08:28]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:08:28]:
Well, like that.
Eldar [01:08:29]:
Make some suggestions and give people some. Some point pointers here.
Anatoliy [01:08:32]:
Yeah. Well, I think that there has to be, like, a examination as to why they feel that being wrong is a bad thing.
Eldar [01:08:40]:
Okay.
Anatoliy [01:08:41]:
To begin with.
Eldar [01:08:41]:
Okay. So keep going.
Anatoliy [01:08:42]:
And then they. They probably have to ask themselves a bunch of questions and talk about it. And then I think to.
Eldar [01:08:50]:
Well, can you explain a little bit of the process of what they're gonna go through or what their ego and pride might go through as they go through the process?
Anatoliy [01:08:57]:
Well, I mean, it's definitely an interesting experience being wrong. Right. And, like, realizing it. But I think that once you do it, like, enough times, then you can get to a point where you.
Eldar [01:09:13]:
Well, first I think you have to. You have to get over the hurdle, the fact that you have to convince other person that they're actually wrong. Right.
Anatoliy [01:09:20]:
Like, if you're trying to help somebody else who's.
Eldar [01:09:22]:
Oh, yeah, well, no. The person that's going through this journey of getting excited by being wrong, first they have to get to a point where they know they're wrong.
Anatoliy [01:09:28]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:09:30]:
That's a hard part out of itself.
Julius [01:09:31]:
Yeah. I was gonna ask. To know that you're wrong, you have to share the information with somebody else. That is. Right. How many people. Hypothetically. Right.
Julius [01:09:43]:
How many people have politics tonight? Right. They think they're right because they could care less about the rest. Right. They're like. They're in this tunnel visually. Like, I hate politics, period. Right. Like the election is stolen.
Julius [01:10:00]:
Right. They have this idea, and like, they think that everybody else is completely wrong, even though they have facts to prove it and all that. That's the hardest thing I overcome, I think, is like the realization of being wrong almost.
Eldar [01:10:11]:
You see, with the policy juice, it's a much harder question to answer and stuff like that because there's so many takes on it. Yeah, I think for the purpose of trying to get somewhere, to a place. We're talking about more like personal problems.
Julius [01:10:22]:
Personal, personal things. Right. You personally. You judging yourself as wrong. Yeah, well, like you're saying, like, I'm late to work every day, I'm wrong. Well, well, no, like taking that as a blunt example. Right? So, like, how would you like. It's like as a person, like, you know, like, all right, I could get up 15 minutes earlier, you know that.
Julius [01:10:46]:
But you snooze every day.
Eldar [01:10:47]:
No, but there's nothing wrong. No, that's not what he's talking about. You just be late. You're just late. That's a bad example. Now, now, if you came late and somebody, you know, confronted you and said, hey, you're late. And you're like, no, I'm not. No, but elder, then you're wrong.
Julius [01:11:01]:
If you're habitually late, you know you're wrong. You know you're wrong. You're, you're supposed to show up to work here at seven, but you show up at 715 every day. You know you're wrong, but you justify like, oh, nobody cares.
Eldar [01:11:13]:
Well, sure, but that's the thing.
Julius [01:11:14]:
But that's.
Eldar [01:11:15]:
You just gave the past.
Julius [01:11:17]:
Oh, you said justify gives you the passive, right.
Eldar [01:11:20]:
No, you yourself. That's what I'm saying. The first hurdle here, Julius, is to find out that you actually wrong smokey cigarettes.
Julius [01:11:26]:
You know it's wrong, but you just know.
Eldar [01:11:29]:
Yeah. No one knowing he does wrong.
Julius [01:11:30]:
Right?
Eldar [01:11:30]:
Socrates.
Julius [01:11:31]:
Exactly. Nobody knows wrong unless you go fight.
Eldar [01:11:34]:
Correct.
Julius [01:11:35]:
Yeah, it is.
Anatoliy [01:11:38]:
Yeah, I'm talking, I'm talking about where you get to a point where you can no longer justify, like your actions or a thought that you had, or like a opinion that you had and you, and you, like, like if you can get to a point where you actually are wrong and like you're. And like, you agree upon it, so you're finally defeated. Yeah, but I'm not talking about like being late and stuff like that.
Julius [01:12:03]:
I'm talking about like deeper.
Anatoliy [01:12:06]:
Yeah, I'm talking.
Eldar [01:12:13]:
Myself.
Anatoliy [01:12:13]:
No, I'm talking about like fundamentals of life, right.
Julius [01:12:17]:
You gotta understand, like underlying issues. Like somebody that's habitual late is somebody that doesn't care about you. He's a narcissist in some ways, right? It's like there's things like underline it, don't look at a bigger picture. Like this guy did this, this, this and that. You gotta judge character. Where a person, like my wife's friend Nicole, like every time, like I got to the point where I was like, all right, I told her 08:00 it's 815, I'm getting in my car, I'm leaving. It's her problem because she habitually does that. Because she cares, right? She knows it's wrong, but she knows, like people will give in to it, right? But you're saying like, oh, it doesn't matter.
Julius [01:12:51]:
But no, that pinch the rest of the picture of her character. Guess what? Ten years later from now, none of her friends are her friends. It's, it's, it's these small little things that you do show your character. It's like you're wrong. Like you're a wrong person. But in your head you're like, no, I'm entitled to this. You know, you're entitled to this. It's like you step out of line.
Julius [01:13:10]:
Like you stepping over the. But those, like you could do it for ten years straight and nobody says anything to it. But like, guess what now, like, I feel bad for her. Like she's a single mother and all that. Like she's got nobody with it because nobody wants to give her the time of the day because she was that person. And you know, you ask any of her friends like why she's like. Cuz Nicole never gave a shit about any of it. It's like why she used to show up 30 minutes late.
Eldar [01:13:32]:
So why do you. I don't say why do you feel bad for her?
Julius [01:13:35]:
No, I feel bad for president baby. Because she never was taught, I personally think she was never taught that respecting somebody else's time.
Eldar [01:13:42]:
Yes, sure. If she never thought this and now she's alone and you say maybe she's.
Julius [01:13:46]:
Sad, tell us they in her head she thinks she's right.
Eldar [01:13:50]:
Exactly. So why that's the scary part is you feel bad for her. Why do you feel.
Julius [01:13:56]:
Because I feel like that a person, like I get it's what she said. You can't, she's gonna, she's gonna end up.
Eldar [01:14:05]:
Everything that he said points the fact that she has earned this life.
Anatoliy [01:14:08]:
Yeah, everything earned these results.
Eldar [01:14:10]:
Yeah, but he for some reason has some type of feeling towards it that he feels bad for her if somebody.
Julius [01:14:15]:
Gave her reality check of where it really is. So why simple conversation. Oh, actually I tempted.
Mike [01:14:26]:
So then how can you be. How can you feel sad for if the person got what they deserve. If you try to help her.
Julius [01:14:37]:
No, wait.
Mike [01:14:40]:
Why not?
Eldar [01:14:41]:
What do you mean? They earned it.
Julius [01:14:42]:
No, if you earn, somebody deserves anything. Unless they earned it. Unless they deliberately. People always get what I deserve. Did what they did right now. So that's the way we think. Right? So I'm gonna go, I would become liberal for being in a freaking, dude, I'm doing it. I like guns, I smoke weed and all that.
Julius [01:15:04]:
I go, you can't put me in any party. So it's like, what's up, man? I got like, yeah, give me an independent party somewhere to South Carolina gold.
Eldar [01:15:11]:
But that's what you fuck with the green party.
Mike [01:15:13]:
Big scale. We're talking about on individual level.
Julius [01:15:15]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:15:16]:
You know, about, you know, if you rob people or if you deceive all the people, you deserve, whatever that's coming your way.
Julius [01:15:28]:
Well, that's a very black and white right? So people. People like to raise, like. Like, people are raised certain way. They're in there. They're not aware of things. We're not going to share this with my wife, so I'm going to tell you a perfect example. Right? So my wife's father, he was there for her at all times without knowing, knowing that he's handicapping her for the rest of her life.
Mike [01:15:55]:
100% sure.
Julius [01:15:56]:
Out of love, out of sheer love. He didn't realize because he did everything for her and all that. He had no idea that when she went out of his home, she lost in the world. If I'm. If I'm gone tomorrow and her father's gone tomorrow, Ali's homeless in shelter. In three weeks.
Mike [01:16:16]:
She'S gonna check in or you think nobody gonna rebound that.
Julius [01:16:21]:
The thing is, is the problem is, like, she literally. And she stays doing well. It's not her. It's not her. That's the thing. It's not her fucking fault. It isn't her fault at all because she thought that was the norm, even though she's completely wrong in my eyes.
Eldar [01:16:39]:
But. Yeah, but you see, you use the word love, Julius in there.
Julius [01:16:41]:
But the thing is, if she's completely wrong in my eyes and society lies, she's wrong. The first dish she ever washed in her life is 31 years old. What? First dish she'd ever washed in a sink was 31 years old. Tell me about.
Eldar [01:16:53]:
Sounds like a good life to me, right?
Julius [01:16:55]:
Great life. But guess what? She's got a great life. But guess what? She still got, like, 100 grand student loans and all that. Like, daddy. Daddy might have lived. Live with you very well, right? But you gotta realize, you lived a rich woman's life without having the money to back it up when you had to go to real world.
Eldar [01:17:11]:
Who's the inherentance?
Julius [01:17:12]:
There's no inherent name under. There is no in there.
Eldar [01:17:15]:
Oh, they don't own the apartment.
Julius [01:17:16]:
They're only a barber. It's whatever.
Mike [01:17:18]:
600 gold.
Eldar [01:17:19]:
Outlive them real quick.
Julius [01:17:20]:
650,000, $2,600 a month in maintenance. Go fuck yourself at the black hole. No offense. No, Fort La. It's actually a dopest place out. But it is what it is like. It's like, yo, I rode that bus as long as it could. Eight years, bro.
Eldar [01:17:47]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:17:47]:
Eight years of sauna and pools.
Eldar [01:17:50]:
That's right. You live that good.
Julius [01:17:52]:
But that's the bottom route. You can't know if you're wrong until somebody explains. A lot of people live their life without thinking they're wrong. We have a perfect example.
Eldar [01:18:01]:
No, we're not saying that this is not happening.
Julius [01:18:03]:
Of course that he thought his life was fucking gold. That dude was wrong.
Mike [01:18:08]:
He was a man and then he was.
Julius [01:18:10]:
No, but the thing is, it's almost like sociopathic, like, narcissistic tendencies.
Mike [01:18:16]:
Wow.
Julius [01:18:16]:
Where you think that you're like, you're right, you're right, but like.
Anatoliy [01:18:20]:
But where, where does that kind of behavior come from?
Julius [01:18:22]:
From your upbringing a lot of times.
Anatoliy [01:18:24]:
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying is that a large group of the population have a general consensus that being wrong is a bad thing.
Julius [01:18:33]:
Well, the thing is like a large.
Anatoliy [01:18:34]:
You don't call your friend and be like, hey, yo, I just realized after ten years, I got great news. After ten years, I realized that I was dead wrong about this.
Julius [01:18:43]:
Well, the funny, dangerous part is like, we're not, we're not, well, like, to be proven wrong. A lot of people don't shout the true, the wrong ideas. Like, it's only today's day and age that complete lies in a public are acceptable. Like ten years ago, if you went out on the news and all that, and it put out half the blasphemous out there on both sides, CNBC or CNN, like, they're both fucking assholes. They're both idiots. They both attack each other instead of trying to help this guy. It's. Nobody would accept that.
Julius [01:19:16]:
But today's day and age, if it's on the Internet, it's true, has become a fucking law. It's literally become that. So it. That's the difficult hurdle come up. We have the morals of the older upright is like, know your truth. Know what's right.
Eldar [01:19:32]:
I'm not sure if we do. That's. I think what totally is pushing for is a very ideal.
Mike [01:19:37]:
Yeah. The de lines, before you can reach that, you have to have a, you have to can.
Eldar [01:19:42]:
This is level two we lifted with the same jews. Our generation is afflicted by the same thing we are.
Julius [01:19:47]:
The trickle down, general washing.
Eldar [01:19:50]:
Oh, yeah, we fucked them up.
Julius [01:19:51]:
It's like we're right at, we're right in the cusp of, like, no, not use a fax machine and fucking, not fucking get on a subway, you know, but it's like we're right there, so we understand it back and forth.
Eldar [01:20:02]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:20:03]:
But then there's the, and I think it's. Whether you look at the generation came up like, so a couple of generators after I was, I don't even know what I was like. Everybody's equal on what they do. Right? You know, so, like, the holy quality thing is all that. It's like we paint so many rights and wrongs on anything. Talking to people certain ways, right and wrong. Like, it's like if you're gonna measure yourself in right and wrong. And again, the excitement part of this question is, I believe when you're wrong.
Julius [01:20:37]:
And it's almost like, let's do a hypothetical, right.
Anatoliy [01:20:43]:
Why do people not have a burning desire of happiness when they realize that they're wrong? Because they, like, they don't have a burning desire to get right.
Julius [01:20:55]:
Because it's a disappointment. Because in your personal life.
Eldar [01:20:58]:
Oh, you will answer the question.
Julius [01:21:00]:
Why? Because you. For you to tell. So there's people that tell lies, they know it's wrong. Right? You're not included in this, in this conversation. Right. You're talking about people that truly think that they're right, but they're wrong. Right? Because if we're going to include people that are habitual liars and con, and conmen and all that, that excuse the entire, the entire data pool, right? That those are people that. But if you're talking about genuine people that literally think like, people that thought the earth was flat to the 15 hundreds when Galileo came out, like, no, the earth is round, it's a globe.
Julius [01:21:38]:
Like, for them, that was the truth, and you're the liar. Right? So it's like, what truth are we really talking about? What lie or mistake you talk about?
Anatoliy [01:21:47]:
No, I'm talking about, like, it's, that's drastically, no, I'm talking, no, I'm talking about ways that you live your life or do things or reason through things or live certain ways. Has there been something that you identified that, like, yo, I was wrong about this and now. And, like. And you change the way that you acted or went about things or thought about people. Right?
Julius [01:22:12]:
I have many times in my life.
Anatoliy [01:22:15]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:22:18]:
Change one of my ways at the time of my life because I know it's wrong. I justify why I do it, but, like, I know it's wrong is drug use and drinking. Right? That's. I know it's wrong 100%, but I justify, and I say I'm okay with it. I'm not over the edge. I control it. I'll keep it at bay. Right.
Julius [01:22:37]:
I keep it at bay. You're talking about something that's wrong. It's. It's. It's tough to say wrong and right when you talk about, like, such a. Such a. Such a vast subject. Let's talk about right and wrong on social ethics.
Julius [01:23:01]:
No, that's a good thing. Like, ethically right of ethnic. You're wrong socially.
Mike [01:23:07]:
Sounds like we might have to use, like, a personal example.
Eldar [01:23:09]:
Yeah, we.
Julius [01:23:12]:
Social ethics, today's day and world are very much so.
Eldar [01:23:16]:
So let's take your example. I think you brought a really good example, your own personal example, by drinking and drugs. If you're okay with exploring that, we can.
Julius [01:23:24]:
Yes, it's it's it's it's. Listen, I have. Days are great. All that. It gets to the point where, uh. Yes. Has been over. Spilled over the edge.
Julius [01:23:35]:
And those are the days where I'm like, pump the brakes, kids.
Eldar [01:23:39]:
Mm hmm.
Julius [01:23:40]:
Let's step back. You know, you got a phone call one of those days. It was like, whoa, Bob.
Eldar [01:23:47]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:23:48]:
You just lost three days of your life, and you have no idea what happened. You know, it's. But there's a difference. Like, different people tolerate drugs in different levels. You know? That's the difference. Right. So I think that's a bad example. I think that social ethical example that we could talk about is, like, perfect example.
Eldar [01:24:07]:
No, this is a good example, because the challenge here is, right. If you write in that moment of three day bender that you had on the fourth one, you woke up and you said, I was wrong. Right. The question is. The question is, where's the excitement and why is it not coming?
Julius [01:24:27]:
Oh, finally. Wrong. Getting excited about that. Well, you get a little happy for about half an hour where you decide, like, I'm quitting everything. Mm hmm. Like, you make that decision like, I'm so fucking wrong.
Eldar [01:24:39]:
Yes.
Julius [01:24:40]:
Crazy. You're like, I am quitting everything. You fucking. You gonna fucking local salad bar, you get yourself a salad, all that. Like, you go. You go for 6 hours and you're like, yo, 6 hours later, somebody. Because you have a two drinks, you're right back at it.
Mike [01:24:58]:
Yeah. See, the thing is, what I'm hearing is from Julius. And my question is, until you find out why you're doing that wrong, you have to investigate it. Yeah, I get excited. Long lasting excitement.
Julius [01:25:12]:
Long night.
Mike [01:25:14]:
Because the winter is victory.
Julius [01:25:16]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:25:17]:
Like the short lived excitement.
Julius [01:25:18]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:25:18]:
That's when you don't drink for a week and you're like, oh, wow, everything's great.
Julius [01:25:21]:
Feel fuck it all.
Mike [01:25:22]:
You go back.
Anatoliy [01:25:23]:
But I think, like in Julius case, I think that he's probably may. Maybe it sounds like to me like he's confusing the feeling of being wrong to the feeling of having pain.
Julius [01:25:36]:
We're past pain, my friend.
Anatoliy [01:25:38]:
Like when you realize this is what you did, you're just in a shitty place.
Eldar [01:25:43]:
No, what the pain is, you're naturally.
Anatoliy [01:25:44]:
Gonna have some things like salad, healthy juice.
Julius [01:25:47]:
You see what you write, but you're labeling. You labeling this pain, it's when you're a. When you. When you're a habitual drug. Put it this way. I'm not a drug addict. I made. I'm a habitual drug user.
Julius [01:26:01]:
User.
Mike [01:26:03]:
I like functions.
Eldar [01:26:05]:
He has reasons for why he defines it.
Julius [01:26:07]:
The way I call turkey if I need to, a month, no problem. It's not gonna stop. It's not gonna. It's not gonna end my world. Like, I can literally go whatever. Like I've worked at NSA job in DC, 14 days. Can't drink, can't smoke, can't do shit, no problem. The difference is my.
Julius [01:26:26]:
My drug intake and my. My drug intake is my supplement. That happens.
Eldar [01:26:34]:
Whoa.
Anatoliy [01:26:35]:
But, but are you.
Julius [01:26:37]:
I don't smoke.
Eldar [01:26:37]:
Weed is drug supplement to happiness.
Anatoliy [01:26:42]:
But are you.
Eldar [01:26:43]:
But are you.
Anatoliy [01:26:44]:
Are you going these 14 days, for example? Are. Are they out of fear?
Julius [01:26:49]:
No, no, no. It's just because that's my responsibility, my drug, not dependency on my physical.
Anatoliy [01:26:55]:
No, no. You not doing drugs in that example, is that out of fear?
Julius [01:27:00]:
What do you mean? Out of fear of, like, losing my job.
Anatoliy [01:27:02]:
Well, like, why are you doing drugs for those 14 days?
Julius [01:27:05]:
No, no, I'm saying not doing drugs if I have to go talk. Yeah, turkey. I'm going to go turkey tomorrow. You put. You put ten grand in front, I'll go fucking year. I don't give a shit.
Eldar [01:27:14]:
I got ten grand right now, I got principal. I got ten grand right now, I got principal.
Mike [01:27:17]:
Yeah. I'm in.
Eldar [01:27:19]:
Oh, yeah, he's in.
Mike [01:27:20]:
I'm in.
Eldar [01:27:23]:
With me.
Mike [01:27:23]:
Yeah, me and other will split it.
Eldar [01:27:25]:
I got five, Mike.
Julius [01:27:26]:
Every Friday, you fucking assholes. This will be. You see, this is what friends are for.
Eldar [01:27:33]:
Shit on yours too, if you want.
Julius [01:27:38]:
Wait, you're serious?
Eldar [01:27:39]:
Cold turkey, no drinking.
Julius [01:27:41]:
Yeah, you're serious?
Eldar [01:27:41]:
I'm hundred.
Mike [01:27:42]:
No drinking, no drugs. One year straight.
Eldar [01:27:43]:
One year. No, no, no. No drugs, no nothing. Sort of life. Let's go.
Julius [01:27:48]:
One year every fucking three days.
Anatoliy [01:27:51]:
Zero chance.
Eldar [01:27:52]:
No problem.
Julius [01:28:00]:
We kind of interrupted what we were talking about. The crazy part is I'm stubborn enough to do something like this, which actually probably helped me in life.
Anatoliy [01:28:10]:
Well, no, I don't think it's possible because of what you just said. You just said that it's. Your so happy happiness to me is.
Julius [01:28:17]:
Not worth ten grand substitute actually. Because I know what the end of I know what at the end of me not doing drugs for a very, very long time is what.
Eldar [01:28:28]:
It's impossible.
Julius [01:28:29]:
It's like, listen, when you use. When you use drugs, like I have since spitball, the pain of the alcohol.
Mike [01:28:42]:
Is not as bad as the pain of facing yourself, like, consciously or subconsciously. Yeah, he knows that because he's not that dumb.
Eldar [01:28:49]:
He's not that dumb. Yeah.
Julius [01:28:52]:
So for me, dumb. No, so it's like, it's. It's.
Anatoliy [01:28:56]:
That's why ten grand is not worth it.
Eldar [01:28:58]:
I know that's all putting it up because I know I ain't losing here.
Julius [01:29:01]:
Yeah. In a way. Like, for him to put that up, like, if I do succeed, you know, fucking. He'll feel like a fucking hero. He's fucking winning. I'm fucking winning because I'm gonna hold on. I'm gonna fuck.
Eldar [01:29:19]:
I'll be losing cuz somebody finally will prove me wrong. Cuz nobody proved me wrong for a very long time. I'm undefeated in.
Julius [01:29:29]:
I can't do it because I don't have a purpose to do so. Right.
Anatoliy [01:29:33]:
That's why I said ten grand is not worth it.
Julius [01:29:35]:
Like, for me, getting skinny is not a thing. Like, like my dad looks like this is 58. Like I'm. No, I'm good. Like, so, like, for me, I'm. No, I think.
Eldar [01:29:46]:
I think I'll go as far as. I'll go as far as probably so, like, the most I first and then another ten next. So look, the most put me on subscription, bro.
Julius [01:29:58]:
Yeah, the most interesting if I did. And the thing is, no, so the thing is, like, so let me get to the bottom like you asked me, like, why I'm associated. It's double me. When you use drugs to the level I've used drugs. It's like I. You'll never catch me in the crack. I'm at work. I've never miss work.
Julius [01:30:16]:
I get my shit done. All that. My drug use happens after ten. 03:00 p.m. To 08:00 p.m. I don't drink past a certain hour. I will go past that time. But it's Friday.
Julius [01:30:31]:
But it's. There's ways where, like, I see my intake get higher and I gotta check myself, right? Like, I don't do drugs.
Mike [01:30:39]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:30:40]:
In the middle of the week, you find I got to the point where I did drugs and I went every single fucking Tuesday night, I did drugs. And I called out on Wednesday for a minute and I thought that I was like, I'm gonna lose my job.
Mike [01:30:50]:
So, wait, you just said you never.
Julius [01:30:51]:
Let it get to that. So, no, so I stopped myself. I fucking checked myself. All that. It got to the point, like, I have. Me and Elder had a conversation years ago. I was like, listen, I can't get myself off of a culture if I'm gonna wind myself off. I wind myself off from $400 a week to 300 to 200.
Julius [01:31:07]:
Now it's to 100. Right? That's a lot of money. You do the math. That's $20,000 a year. Drugs.
Eldar [01:31:13]:
Can you do coke in front of us?
Julius [01:31:15]:
I'm not doing coke. That wouldn't be much different is a lot of people that are friends with me that are. They do drugs and all that. They get. They do drugs. They get super fucking crazy and all that. Like. And they do, like, blow with me, it's like, dude, nothing changed.
Julius [01:31:35]:
Was like, yeah, but. Because I've conditioned myself to.
Eldar [01:31:38]:
No, yeah, of course you control me.
Julius [01:31:39]:
It's like, so it's. To me, like, anything's, like, I don't got hungovers and I. But, like, the downside of using cocaine is because you burn your receptors. So, like, pressure kicks in, motherfucker. You turn on fucking family channel. I'm crying. You turn on a great. You turn out like a movie.
Eldar [01:31:57]:
Rom.com.
Julius [01:31:58]:
Friday night. You turn on, like, some rom.com. Whatever. Like, hard touch. Like, you say, what's wrong? Rom.com. What's rom.com?
Eldar [01:32:07]:
Romantic comedy.
Mike [01:32:08]:
Romantic comedy.
Julius [01:32:09]:
Oh, rom.com. Oh, yeah. No, no. You brought on, like, you know. And the thing is, like, you don't realize. I was like. I was like, dude, I'm sitting there. I'm tearing up.
Julius [01:32:15]:
It's like, dude, what the hell's going on? Like, I was like. I was the doctor. He's like, my dog was like. It was like, what's his drug use?
Mike [01:32:20]:
Like, you're a specimen.
Julius [01:32:21]:
Yeah, it's up there. He's like, you're built like a goddamn horse.
Eldar [01:32:26]:
You like that kind of?
Mike [01:32:27]:
Yes, of course. He's too smart for his own good. Just like every other criminal.
Eldar [01:32:31]:
Yeah, he likes to brag about this kind of shit.
Julius [01:32:34]:
Yeah, well, there's nothing brag about. It's Nick trying to beat me on New Year's Eve.
Eldar [01:32:48]:
Yes.
Julius [01:32:49]:
What I call hard facts. This is what it is. I don't believe in. I don't believe in bragging. Bragging is bullshit. Yeah, it's like, actually you don't believe in bragging.
Eldar [01:33:01]:
But you are proud of it, though.
Mike [01:33:02]:
Bragging, not bragging. You are proud of it that you're building a horse.
Julius [01:33:05]:
But I've never. You know what? You know what? I knew I was never proud of Brian. Like, neither you. Because when we played ball, like, we would never. We would never walk up and be like, yo, bro, I'll play d one. Like, no motherfuckers come out and be like, yo, where'd you guys play, bro? Yeah, but you better ask that question, bro. Ask about me, bro. That's the difference.
Julius [01:33:22]:
People have got to prove it. People are just taking overseas.
Eldar [01:33:25]:
We always say, you play overseas.
Mike [01:33:26]:
Yes.
Eldar [01:33:27]:
Everybody international cross it, ask.
Mike [01:33:28]:
We always tell everybody.
Julius [01:33:29]:
Yeah, bro. I. Fuck it, bro. Wait, hold on, hold on. I played Lithuania for six months.
Eldar [01:33:34]:
I know that.
Mike [01:33:34]:
Yeah. I tell people you're in national team. Yeah.
Eldar [01:33:38]:
I just. Alright, so.
Mike [01:33:39]:
Totally.
Eldar [01:33:39]:
Did he help you with your thing or.
Anatoliy [01:33:40]:
No, um, not really.
Julius [01:33:43]:
I feel you misunderstanding. I'm telling you.
Mike [01:33:46]:
I believe that, actually.
Julius [01:33:48]:
I agree. I really.
Eldar [01:33:49]:
I agree with that.
Julius [01:33:51]:
I might have gotta agree with.
Eldar [01:33:52]:
You agree with that too. No, that, you know, he's misunderstanding you.
Julius [01:33:58]:
You miss understand. It's. It's. You're trying to put two things that.
Anatoliy [01:34:04]:
What do you mean by that?
Julius [01:34:05]:
Excitement and loss. Right?
Eldar [01:34:08]:
Because what?
Julius [01:34:09]:
Because, like, being wrong is a loss. Right.
Anatoliy [01:34:11]:
Why?
Julius [01:34:13]:
Wrong is because you're psychologically thinking you're right.
Eldar [01:34:17]:
Okay?
Anatoliy [01:34:17]:
You're conditioned. You're conditioned.
Julius [01:34:20]:
Is that. That's not a condition when you truly think you're right about something and somebody, a person holds a stand because they truly think that somebody gave them the true facts and they hold the ground. Right?
Anatoliy [01:34:33]:
Yes.
Julius [01:34:33]:
They learn behaviors person. Right.
Anatoliy [01:34:35]:
That is learning.
Julius [01:34:36]:
Person watches the news.
Anatoliy [01:34:39]:
Yeah, but that's learned behaviors.
Julius [01:34:41]:
Running for president. That's. That's also a lie. But they believe, right? So it has a difference levels of being.
Anatoliy [01:34:46]:
Yeah, that's a learned behavior.
Julius [01:34:48]:
Right. It's. It's. Listen, I hate to bring in politics, like, look at the half this country. Like, look, there's a lot of.
Eldar [01:34:57]:
Would you turn into a politician?
Mike [01:34:58]:
Yeah, that's what I want.
Eldar [01:35:01]:
They got you, too.
Julius [01:35:03]:
No, there's not about you. They didn't get me. I'm trying. I'm trying to defend the independent.
Eldar [01:35:13]:
Anything.
Julius [01:35:13]:
I'm trying to defend an independent side of it, of the idea of, like, two parties not working now. And once I know two parts can't exist in this country because it doesn't exist, two parts could never exist.
Eldar [01:35:24]:
You trying to bring us back to.
Julius [01:35:25]:
Communism, so, yeah, communism. You want to fix America? Two years of mandatory fucking military service. That's it, bubba.
Eldar [01:35:37]:
See you, Bubba.
Julius [01:35:38]:
You'll fucking let. Yeah. Have you ever met a naive, dumb israeli? Besides TK, Tommy Kenan doesn't count.
Anatoliy [01:35:49]:
Naive?
Julius [01:35:50]:
A naive, dumb Israeli. Have you ever met one?
Mike [01:35:52]:
You're saying guys, a fucking.
Julius [01:35:55]:
I'm just asking. Have you ever met one? It just as you, as you're.
Eldar [01:35:59]:
I mean, how many have you ever met? How about that? Let's start with there.
Julius [01:36:01]:
Let's go to. What is your. What is your first. What is your first impression when asked?
Eldar [01:36:13]:
Hustlers.
Mike [01:36:14]:
They sell basil, that. Yeah.
Eldar [01:36:16]:
See?
Anatoliy [01:36:16]:
Salt products, right.
Julius [01:36:18]:
They sell rocks in the fucking mall. That. Fucking hustlers. Straight up bargaining. Like, no, no, press this button, get free HBO.
Mike [01:36:27]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:36:27]:
You know that whole thing, right? You know, don't mess with someone. Why is that? Because everybody, everybody in that country has been sent to the military to get brainwashed. Not brainwashed. It's called.
Eldar [01:36:42]:
I used the wrong word.
Mike [01:36:43]:
Discipline.
Eldar [01:36:44]:
Yes.
Julius [01:36:44]:
Discipline. Respect.
Eldar [01:36:47]:
And arrogance.
Julius [01:36:48]:
Arrogance. The arrogance is there. Yes.
Anatoliy [01:36:51]:
Very there.
Julius [01:36:51]:
Whatever. Right. So.
Eldar [01:36:53]:
But I mean, you can't get it. All right. You know what I'm saying?
Julius [01:36:55]:
You can't get it.
Eldar [01:36:55]:
All right?
Julius [01:36:56]:
There's gonna be. There's gonna be a side effect of what you just talk.
Eldar [01:37:00]:
100%.
Julius [01:37:01]:
100%. I'll take arrogance over anything, really. If you're gonna teach me to build a nation as small as that. Israel is. So.
Eldar [01:37:13]:
So you want war?
Julius [01:37:15]:
Nah, it's not wars. It's bring back is like Israel has war now. Built themselves to the place where they have the option. Right. Not having the option makes you weak.
Eldar [01:37:27]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:37:28]:
Having the option, not using it.
Anatoliy [01:37:30]:
The option for what puts, you know.
Eldar [01:37:32]:
The option for what?
Julius [01:37:33]:
It puts you at the table. You have a conversation.
Mike [01:37:40]:
Israel.
Julius [01:37:41]:
No. Well, actually, it's actually forced by Duma.
Mike [01:37:44]:
Forced force, can you say?
Julius [01:37:45]:
Well, the Americans were forced to become.
Mike [01:37:50]:
No, I think the problem, the thing about the excitement and this issue is that this is a level two fucking genius. Maybe, you know, like. Like to call it kind of more like funny.
Eldar [01:38:01]:
How do you. How do you take this genius? You cannot.
Mike [01:38:04]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:38:05]:
And let the public. I'll bet I do it. Julius can't even extract the shit.
Mike [01:38:10]:
You can't extract it because this is not the first step in the equation.
Julius [01:38:13]:
It's not. Exactly. It's not the first.
Mike [01:38:15]:
The first step in the equation is how do you actually find out that a lot of things are wrong.
Julius [01:38:20]:
Exactly.
Eldar [01:38:20]:
Yeah, I agree with that.
Julius [01:38:22]:
Like, how do you go to die hard Catholic?
Mike [01:38:25]:
You ask him for, like, level ten socrates shit.
Julius [01:38:27]:
Hey, how do you go to die hard? Like, my grandma's perfect. My grandma's 88 years old. Like, I sit down with my grandma, and I start talking about her like the Bible, because she. I went to. I went to one of the oldest catholic churches in Europe every Sunday to the age of 13, bro. The day I got out of there, I was like, boogie down Bronx, bro. I'm out. I am out, bro.
Julius [01:38:47]:
I am out, bro. It was like, I need reparations, bro. That was crazy, dude. Why? Because I was open minds. Like, there's no way a single person created this.
Eldar [01:38:59]:
Mm hmm.
Mike [01:39:00]:
What religion?
Julius [01:39:01]:
Like, no, I'm talking, like, Catholicism. Like, okay, you guys are just now, you just now you just shit me.
Eldar [01:39:08]:
Mm hmm.
Julius [01:39:09]:
But I was at a young age, and I was very bright at a young age. A lot of people are not bright that a young age. And they get sucked into the system now, that's their belief. So, like, you can't separate.
Mike [01:39:21]:
What happened to you then?
Julius [01:39:23]:
I actually.
Mike [01:39:23]:
Where the brightness. Where the brightness goes.
Julius [01:39:28]:
I actually have to thank my mother and my father not being there for me and all that, and I. Me being my own person, because, like, I was like, everybody's like, oh, God.
Eldar [01:39:36]:
We'Ll say, took lemons and you made lemonade.
Julius [01:39:39]:
Yeah, no, I made, like, you're still.
Eldar [01:39:40]:
Making that lemonade, bro.
Julius [01:39:42]:
It's like it was frozen. Yeah, but you just. It's. That's what I'm saying.
Eldar [01:39:49]:
So totally.
Anatoliy [01:39:51]:
I'm not talking about literally.
Julius [01:39:52]:
If I told my cousin tomorrow that she's so die hard catholic, I told. And she's 34 years old, lives in Brussels, works for european units, all, like, I'm atheist, pro, she'll be like, you can't ever speak to me ever again.
Anatoliy [01:40:03]:
No, I'm not talking about.
Julius [01:40:04]:
I don't believe in God. She thinks.
Anatoliy [01:40:05]:
Yeah, no, but I'm not talking about situations where you need to know. I'm not saying how do you tell somebody else that they're wrong?
Julius [01:40:12]:
You have to prove that.
Anatoliy [01:40:13]:
What I'm talking.
Julius [01:40:14]:
The thing is that you gotta.
Anatoliy [01:40:15]:
No, I don't gotta do anything.
Mike [01:40:17]:
Wait, you changing the question now?
Anatoliy [01:40:19]:
No, I'm talking about somebody.
Julius [01:40:20]:
I'm.
Anatoliy [01:40:21]:
No, no, I'm talking about you in your own mind.
Julius [01:40:25]:
In your mind?
Anatoliy [01:40:26]:
Yes. I'm not talking about. You're going to convince somebody else for.
Julius [01:40:28]:
You to challenge your own belief. Because if you think you're right, you're right. You ain't challenging that.
Anatoliy [01:40:33]:
Why not?
Julius [01:40:34]:
Why would you? Because you think you're right.
Anatoliy [01:40:36]:
What if you're suffering somebody else?
Julius [01:40:38]:
That if you're.
Mike [01:40:39]:
How do you know? You.
Julius [01:40:40]:
Hold on. So hold on.
Mike [01:40:41]:
Yeah, hold on.
Julius [01:40:42]:
If. Perfect example, right? So, like, Catholics, right? They'd, like, they pray like their child isn't. There's many. There's many, uh, metaphors. Like, it's like, you know, they talk about God, like how God comes in different ways as a Catholics defend. Like in the pope defends the God, right? They say, you know, father sitting over deathbed of a son, and he's praying for God. Like a doctor comes, like, I will help him. Like, no, I don't want your help.
Julius [01:41:06]:
God will help him, right? Over and over and over. Like I. God sent him all these doctors to help him.
Mike [01:41:11]:
But talking about the raft, okay, but.
Julius [01:41:12]:
At least the God is better than. No, you're wrong, brother. But his right is so more righteous than what you're truth. This is. You will not believe in anything else that is going to say unless somebody proves you the other way. Right? So, like, that's. That's actually a lesson in the Bible. Like, Abraham is showed.
Julius [01:41:32]:
Like, you have to sacrifice your son to show truth to the God. You know, to God it is a. He knows it's truthfully wrong, right? 100% wrong. But because God asked him to do so, and he has overwhelming, you know, belief in him and trust that he believes that God is doing the right thing. He, in his head says it's right because God told me to do so. But in society is wrong. You can't fight that. Yeah, but it's a belief.
Anatoliy [01:42:04]:
You're not saying it's religious.
Julius [01:42:05]:
It's so deep inside of. You can't overcome that.
Anatoliy [01:42:07]:
No, I know, but, like, people have a lot of curiosity, right?
Julius [01:42:12]:
Curiosity only goes so far because you're sitting in this room. You understand, like 95% of people right now are sitting at home watching Fox News, abortion, whatever. They don't know.
Anatoliy [01:42:20]:
I know, but I'm saying is that like you're curious.
Julius [01:42:22]:
You're curious. I'm curious.
Anatoliy [01:42:23]:
You know, I think people. No, no, but I'm saying is that I think people are naturally curious and if you're living less, if you're living life a certain way.
Eldar [01:42:37]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:42:38]:
I think that like just by being alive and going out into the world, you're going to like encounter particular situations.
Julius [01:42:46]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:42:46]:
Where your beliefs might. Yeah. Might. Might be challenged. Yeah. Either by.
Julius [01:42:51]:
But we do that every day.
Anatoliy [01:42:53]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:42:54]:
Every single day.
Eldar [01:42:55]:
Hold on second. Before you rebuttal what you just said.
Julius [01:42:57]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:42:58]:
Did you observe how you were sitting when you're saying that?
Julius [01:43:00]:
Yeah. Very lazy.
Eldar [01:43:01]:
You can't, you can't, you know, he's fucking shit up. No, he's fucking shit up. You know, you can't even rebuttal that because he knows the shit. You know, I'm saying nobody, anybody who says shit like that from that position, that's automatic. He's automatically right.
Julius [01:43:25]:
You're for no, I'm saying is that.
Anatoliy [01:43:27]:
Like by just being alive and being.
Julius [01:43:30]:
In, you have an assumption I'm gonna to your horn. No, sure. You're not gonna get anybody else around you that you walk around and shop right with and all that as the same curiosity as, you know.
Anatoliy [01:43:46]:
I'm not assuming that.
Julius [01:43:47]:
But you are because you're thinking that everybody asks that question.
Anatoliy [01:43:51]:
No, I'm saying. No. No, I'm saying is that like, what do you think? No, but I'm saying is that people have the opportunity to get challenged, right. But they have a poor association with being wrong. Therefore they have created a lot of habitual mechanisms and like replies elections to prevent them from getting the opportunity to begin with to explore what's. Okay.
Julius [01:44:24]:
Ask you a question.
Anatoliy [01:44:25]:
Okay.
Julius [01:44:25]:
When you made a mistake with your kids, your father WHOOP your ass.
Mike [01:44:29]:
No.
Julius [01:44:30]:
Did your father WHOOP you like smack, whatever. When you made.
Eldar [01:44:36]:
Up with a father, bro.
Julius [01:44:39]:
Are you severely punished when you did something?
Mike [01:44:42]:
Yes.
Julius [01:44:43]:
What was your punishment? Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:44:48]:
Hanging out with friends.
Eldar [01:44:50]:
No.
Anatoliy [01:44:50]:
Video games.
Julius [01:44:51]:
You got grounded. Right.
Anatoliy [01:44:52]:
Being hit. Yeah, a bunch of things.
Julius [01:44:54]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I cut class once. I couldn't sit down for three days.
Eldar [01:44:59]:
You see that finger? It chopped. They chopped off his finger.
Julius [01:45:02]:
I could class once. I was. I will never forget it. I was in 6th grade, I cut class. All that and all that. My father. You were curious. I was curious what was on the other side of happiness.
Mike [01:45:14]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:45:15]:
And my ass got whooped so bad where I literally every day ever again, I swear to God. Maybe like, you know, like later on when I was out of the country, I was like, now?
Eldar [01:45:27]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:45:29]:
Did it cross my mind like, yo, if I do this, I'm gonna get my ass whooped again? Like, it was like, it was, it was, it was the fear. It was understand it was wrong. But then knowing what the consequences are.
Eldar [01:45:40]:
Okay.
Julius [01:45:41]:
Because if you never whooped my ass, he was just like, oh, you know, you're grounded. This. And I was like, yeah, I'm doing this shit again.
Mike [01:45:46]:
Yeah, but that's a very boxed thing.
Anatoliy [01:45:49]:
So you took, so you took those lessons and you still apply them now, right?
Julius [01:45:54]:
It taught, it taught me how to not to try to cheat the system and do the right thing.
Anatoliy [01:45:58]:
What I'm saying that it was, that's.
Julius [01:46:01]:
Why you can go out of what? The things I do, everything I do and work and all my number on it.
Anatoliy [01:46:06]:
You could go two weeks without doing drugs.
Julius [01:46:08]:
Correct. Because I have self control, right? No.
Anatoliy [01:46:10]:
No. Because you have fear.
Julius [01:46:14]:
I have no fear of what happens. Hey, no, no.
Eldar [01:46:21]:
About the catch. You, yes or no? Yeah.
Julius [01:46:23]:
Don't twist that. My father, by inflicting fear on me, taught me what right and wrong was.
Anatoliy [01:46:28]:
No, you know, you what?
Julius [01:46:30]:
My father.
Eldar [01:46:31]:
My father came what pain was. Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:46:37]:
And he told me.
Julius [01:46:41]:
The wrong thing with him. With him, with. Because it has not how the world works out.
Eldar [01:46:48]:
Your dad is not here whipping your ass.
Julius [01:46:50]:
But I still control myself. Right. But the thing is, it's something that, because it was, it was explained to me at a younger age, he actually, it might catch with some people, might not with me as I got older, what always reminded me is like my father explained to me what the kind, whether I'm doing something wrong is me, consequences of me being hurt or somebody else. My father imprinted that on me is like if you do something wrong, somebody's going to feel the pain and this time is you.
Mike [01:47:21]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:47:22]:
That's what I was taught. Whether it's you or whether somebody else was, that it's. Somebody's going to feel the pain, but you're going to feel it this time. Therefore you should act the way you should act.
Anatoliy [01:47:32]:
Okay.
Julius [01:47:33]:
That's my understanding. So it's, it's, it's very different. So it varies. Like, like my wife's understanding of what wrong and right is. It's erroneous, bro, Disneyland. Like, it's crazy, man. It's, it's, it's this, it's a very.
Anatoliy [01:47:52]:
But why do you go those two weeks without doing drugs or drinking?
Julius [01:47:56]:
Because I have a reason to.
Anatoliy [01:47:58]:
What's the reason?
Eldar [01:48:00]:
Personal.
Mike [01:48:00]:
It's personal responsibility.
Julius [01:48:02]:
Person responsibility.
Anatoliy [01:48:05]:
Okay, so fire.
Julius [01:48:07]:
I understand why people look at it. No, nobody doesn't look at anybody else. That alcohol is that come home and drink three, four fucking beers every single night.
Anatoliy [01:48:13]:
Okay, so then. Well, what would happen right now if I sponsored your salary? Going forward, whatever you get paid now, I'm gonna pay pay you, and I'm gonna remove those responsibilities. What next?
Eldar [01:48:26]:
Party time?
Anatoliy [01:48:29]:
Then you have no more.
Julius [01:48:31]:
You can't just say that. There's gotta be some kind of strings attached to that.
Eldar [01:48:36]:
Well, no, you just told you.
Julius [01:48:40]:
My mind react.
Anatoliy [01:48:41]:
How do you feel about that?
Julius [01:48:42]:
Yeah, my mind is like, you're gonna make the same money right now, spare money. I'm gonna try to figure out how to make more money.
Eldar [01:48:49]:
For what.
Julius [01:48:50]:
That's the way. Because I'm. Well, the place I'm at now. Fine.
Eldar [01:48:54]:
What if you already choosing to do what you do, why not do more of it?
Julius [01:48:59]:
Oh, no, I don't need to do more of it. You get happier?
Eldar [01:49:03]:
I do just enough to get unhappy.
Julius [01:49:06]:
Yeah. If I have a great day at work and I'm happy as shit, I still go out and buy bag of love. I get. It's.
Eldar [01:49:18]:
It's a celebration.
Julius [01:49:20]:
It's. Yeah, people go on a happy hour. Drinks of beers and all that. Like I like back in the day. But the thing is, like, as you get older, as you get older, like, I just go out to happy hour, get shit face and call my drug dealer and get it delivered, and then drive home drunk. I was like, no, now I don't do that. Now I'll get my shit at 230, drive home, take a cab to the local bar, drink a few drinks, do a couple of rails, all that. Have a conversation, and I don't have to finish what I have in my pocket five years ago.
Julius [01:49:51]:
What's in my pocket is being finished. And at 02:00 a.m. I'm calling somebody else a c call because I'm driving that picking up more. I'm going to bender because I made my peace with it. I don't want limitations. If I break those limitations, if I break those limits, if I break those limitations, I understand. I fuck. I fucked up.
Julius [01:50:13]:
I know. One of my responsibilities.
Anatoliy [01:50:16]:
I'm asking you, what would your life look like if I removed your responsibilities? That I have a theory of the year.
Julius [01:50:22]:
Give me a lot of more opportunity to do everything I want my fucking life.
Anatoliy [01:50:25]:
Like what? Like, what?
Julius [01:50:27]:
I take my mind off. I fucking try to survive and actually try to thrive.
Anatoliy [01:50:32]:
Like, and what does that look like? What, what.
Mike [01:50:34]:
What does.
Eldar [01:50:35]:
Jewelry.
Anatoliy [01:50:36]:
So how do you know that you would do it, and how do you know that's what you want to do?
Julius [01:50:40]:
You wake up and fucking figure out you're gonna work in this place.
Anatoliy [01:50:44]:
Well, why are you asking me? I'm.
Julius [01:50:49]:
Gonna work.
Anatoliy [01:50:49]:
No, I'm asking you. You told me that you're gonna, like, like, if you told me that. No, like, pizza town is closed and I want pizza. I'm gonna find a different pizza place, right? I'm asking you.
Julius [01:50:59]:
If you don't do that, that gives me the freedom to turn on something. It gives you the freedom to turn off what it takes me to survive.
Anatoliy [01:51:08]:
And do what?
Julius [01:51:09]:
And then be creative. And then the amount of. The amount of effort it takes me to survive cost me probably about 20 hours of sanity, of being at home, smoking weed, drinking a beer, all that. That's 20 hours gone. What else you got left? 60 hours for the rest of the week. You take that away. You just handed me 60 hours of my week to take some shit to the next level.
Anatoliy [01:51:36]:
But what are you gonna do, bubba.
Julius [01:51:37]:
I was in fucking russian fashion week with t shirts. What's up now?
Anatoliy [01:51:41]:
I'm asking you, what are you gonna do?
Mike [01:51:42]:
Yeah.
Julius [01:51:42]:
Doesn't know what it's gonna be. It could come up to me tomorrow. You can't plan for shit when you have that. The opportunity is the thing, the step that you're like, all right, now, nobody.
Mike [01:51:54]:
Thinks about the hard questions.
Julius [01:51:55]:
Now go open my mind up to figure something out. If you don't have that option, you don't even think what's gonna happen.
Anatoliy [01:52:03]:
Do you have a goal to thrive one day?
Julius [01:52:06]:
100%, bro.
Anatoliy [01:52:08]:
But. So if you don't know what that is, why are you doing what you do to survive?
Julius [01:52:12]:
Because that's what it takes. Because it's a dog. Because I figure out the best option for somebody in my skillset to do what I do. I'm 35 years old, I'm valued 200 grand a year, doing all right for myself with no college degree or any of that. It's not about the money. I got four hundred one k. I got this. I got an income, and I'm building a business for somebody else.
Julius [01:52:37]:
And that, yes, sometimes I end up at a short end of this thing. But listen, I'm guaranteed retirement, 55, and I'm happy with that. That's my backup, that's my safety. Blanket. Everything that I have now and above is victory, my friend.
Anatoliy [01:52:56]:
You understand my question?
Eldar [01:52:57]:
All that, why they said that he's killing it.
Anatoliy [01:53:01]:
He's not surviving.
Eldar [01:53:02]:
It sounds like he's killing it.
Julius [01:53:04]:
I'm killing the matter. But because I have a person to support and all that, things like that, I'm. I have a game plan.
Anatoliy [01:53:10]:
You're not just surviving.
Julius [01:53:12]:
Well, no, it's it to me survive.
Eldar [01:53:14]:
The higher bar, if he has a.
Julius [01:53:15]:
Higher boss, if I gotta wake up at 06:00 a.m. Go to work. I'm surviving, brother. The day I don't have to do that, which I did that for a year or so, like doctor Bragg. Like two years ago during COVID I made 340,001 year. I got buried in taxes. I fucking paid 160,000 in taxes. Fucking insane, right? Because I have the right structure.
Julius [01:53:37]:
Because I paid myself on 1099. Didn't have an LLC, couldn't write shit off. Fucked up, right? But guess what? My name is in a very short list of people that could do the job that I do.
Mike [01:53:49]:
Every time. Does that job make you happy?
Julius [01:53:52]:
I actually. The hardest day of my. The hardest day of my.
Eldar [01:53:56]:
The hardest supplement with happiness, then, yeah.
Julius [01:53:59]:
The hardest time of my day is to get to work. When I'm at work, it is so easy to make.
Mike [01:54:04]:
So if you're happy at work, why are you taking drugs?
Eldar [01:54:07]:
To supplement even more. What do you mean?
Mike [01:54:09]:
Well, I wouldn't make it even more better.
Eldar [01:54:11]:
It's a celebration every time.
Julius [01:54:12]:
Celebration? I know what it makes me feel like.
Mike [01:54:16]:
And you think that that celebration is the best celebration you can. Your money can buy or that you can. You can give yourself?
Julius [01:54:22]:
No, of course. No, it's not. No, it isn't. Definitely isn't it.
Eldar [01:54:26]:
Why not? Why not? If you got it all justified and you have. You have your balance. If you have a good balance that you're happy with. Why. Why would you say this is the best case scenario?
Julius [01:54:39]:
I'm nowhere near a good balance. Oh, I just figured out one dot.
Mike [01:54:43]:
You figure out how to keep it together without falling apart?
Julius [01:54:46]:
Yeah, exactly. I figured out where to the point where, like, I was like, I don't have to count. Like, I know that I could pay my bills every single month, but I don't have enough, you know, burn cash like a paper cali school and all that. Like, try and pay for some of it. It's. It's. They're like, I pushed Allie go to masters, and now she loves it. She wants to get a doctor.
Julius [01:55:11]:
There was no chance that she was gonna go to school, period. Now she's in a. Now she's in a position to make from 45 grand to 90 and then from 90 to 250.
Mike [01:55:21]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:55:21]:
I think.
Mike [01:55:22]:
I think the base with this question, I think society said it. The base, kind of like he said, I know that. I know nothing. And the problem is nobody thinks. And that's why we're in this. In the situation. I think that's the base of that. The excitement, because a lot of times we think that we know things.
Eldar [01:55:46]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:55:46]:
You know.
Eldar [01:55:47]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:55:48]:
And we don't examine them.
Eldar [01:55:49]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:55:49]:
So because we're in that kind of, like, thing, we cannot humble ourselves to leave room for opportunity.
Eldar [01:55:56]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:55:57]:
To be wrong.
Eldar [01:55:58]:
I think that's the bathroom.
Mike [01:55:59]:
Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think that's what that is. Maybe. I'm not sure if it's the core of it, but that's what causes that and then causes, I guess, the opposite of humility and then. Which causes us not to get excited about being wrong.
Eldar [01:56:18]:
Yeah. I think you said it right. Yeah. I agree with that. And a lot of time, it's a natural process. If. If you saying that by not being able to say that, I am ignorant, therefore, I don't know. Therefore, I'll examine.
Mike [01:56:32]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:56:32]:
But you on the other side saying that, I know. You're building up your own ego and your pride and your own arrogance. Yes. And if that's the case, there's no chance your ego, pride gets excited about.
Mike [01:56:44]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:56:45]:
Zero chance.
Mike [01:56:46]:
Yeah.
Eldar [01:56:47]:
So it comes back to him being able to be. Have come hump, being humble and have humility in order to say the question in the first place, that I actually don't know.
Mike [01:56:55]:
I don't know. Yeah, but who walks around says that I don't know, or I might be wrong about what I think I know.
Eldar [01:57:01]:
When a DJ came in here today, I'm like, hey, did you know that you were gonna end up here? The way you're, you know, living your life right now is like, no. What do you mean? Yeah, because my trajectory.
Mike [01:57:10]:
Well, that's because Joy's dad slapped him on ass and said, yeah, if you cut school, this is what happens. He didn't say, what else is gonna happen.
Eldar [01:57:16]:
Cutting school.
Mike [01:57:16]:
He's still cutting school.
Eldar [01:57:17]:
Yeah.
Mike [01:57:18]:
He never understood how far our actions, the trajectory of them go.
Eldar [01:57:22]:
That's right.
Mike [01:57:22]:
How far these bad habits and these patterns actually go.
Eldar [01:57:24]:
That's right.
Mike [01:57:25]:
2030 years down the line, you still doing the same stupid shit you've been doing. 40, 50, you can even go how far you want to take it.
Anatoliy [01:57:31]:
Yeah, lots of times, you know, because the way that we are raised, we're operating out of fear.
Eldar [01:57:36]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [01:57:36]:
These kind of things. Not like learnings.
Eldar [01:57:39]:
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Anatoliy [01:57:40]:
You know, fear is a very, like, robotic.
Julius [01:57:45]:
You think so?
Anatoliy [01:57:46]:
Way.
Julius [01:57:46]:
I personally think.
Eldar [01:57:48]:
I personally think you underestimate how driven people are.
Julius [01:57:53]:
So I first think in career wise, right. Comfort is rude over all evil. Being out of comfort forces you go get better positions and work hard.
Mike [01:58:01]:
Why is comfort the root of all evil?
Julius [01:58:02]:
Because people get comfortable going into limbo, and it becomes.
Mike [01:58:05]:
But if you live in a good life and it's comfortable, why is that a bad thing?
Julius [01:58:10]:
Because you become static. Like, why? That's why I like my friend Robbie. Robbie's like, as much as money makes, it's like, nothing's enough, right?
Mike [01:58:18]:
Oh, you're saying find the comfort and discomfort. Okay.
Julius [01:58:20]:
I guess you have to drive yourself, right? So the second you read something, you got to set another goal, but don't set, like, astronomical goals, right? Because that's very discouraging. That's very depressing because, like, failure, failures, depression. Like you said, failure is depressing, right? Being wrong. That. So people set goals like, I'm gonna bring the gold medal. Like, no, you're not, bro. Like, let's just get somewhere, right? I'm gonna run in marathons. Like, all right, let's.
Julius [01:58:46]:
Let's run in five k first, right? So, like, you guys said to yourself, like, right? So set a final goal. But, like, be realistic, right? Because when you complete this the same way, the same principle, military is built on every military in the world. What do you do the first thing when you wake up? You make it bad.
Mike [01:59:01]:
You don't scratch your balls.
Julius [01:59:04]:
Well, it depends how. It depends what it. But make you bad. Small victories lead you to have victories later on in that.
Mike [01:59:11]:
But what if you're doing these victories but you have no reason actually behind.
Julius [01:59:15]:
Nothing, you just be robotic. Not a single person is a drug guy that ever made their bed, that's for sure.
Mike [01:59:21]:
But I'm saying that the military people, military.
Julius [01:59:28]:
We look at the end of the.
Mike [01:59:29]:
Day, guys, they have no idea. Reason, no idea why they're actually making their bet.
Julius [01:59:33]:
Yeah, well, the thing is. No, but it teaches those Israelis, yes.
Eldar [01:59:38]:
Discipline is what?
Anatoliy [01:59:39]:
Inability.
Julius [01:59:40]:
When discipline is ability to judge yourself.
Anatoliy [01:59:44]:
No disability is you proving to yourself that you don't have the ability to use your own mind.
Julius [01:59:51]:
So you need.
Eldar [01:59:55]:
You guys miss that podcast, and it's. It's a display of the inability to have self love.
Julius [02:00:04]:
Religion is. Religion is this anything has rules. Is this dj?
Eldar [02:00:09]:
Welcome, man. You have discipline is.
Julius [02:00:14]:
Wait, hit me again with that. You said discipline.
Mike [02:00:16]:
Discipline.
Julius [02:00:19]:
No, no, no.
Eldar [02:00:20]:
Not that. It's dead in the world. No. Discipline is extremely bad for you. That's what I was saying.
Julius [02:00:27]:
Lack of alpha mentality that could create their own path. Right. Which is a very small percentage. Very small percentage people, right? Very small percent. Countries with basic military training. Basic military or mandatory. Forgot what it was. Mandatory school up to certain grade.
Julius [02:00:55]:
Like in United States, you could drop out and I go to high school.
Eldar [02:00:58]:
Mm hmm.
Julius [02:00:58]:
Like really? Like I would get a GED. Like, yeah, you try to share in Europe. Like, did you go in a fucking.
Eldar [02:01:02]:
Why would somebody subject themselves to discipline?
Julius [02:01:05]:
Because you know what it is.
Eldar [02:01:06]:
Because why would people subject themselves to discipline?
Julius [02:01:09]:
Abyssal. Because you need guidance.
Anatoliy [02:01:11]:
Because you can't know any other way. Yes.
Julius [02:01:13]:
Why?
Eldar [02:01:15]:
Why do you have to force yourself, Julius?
Julius [02:01:18]:
What if it forces you?
Mike [02:01:19]:
Did you need discipline to go play basketball?
Julius [02:01:22]:
Yes. Way. I became what I became in basketball.
Eldar [02:01:25]:
So. So you have to use discipline.
Julius [02:01:30]:
I said, I'm gonna work out every single day. I'm gonna play both 6 hours, 5 hours, whatever it is. But things like, eldar, you misunderstand what discipline is. Like when you and you should go every single day after school and go to park.
Eldar [02:01:44]:
That was a desire.
Julius [02:01:45]:
Did you feel bad?
Eldar [02:01:47]:
No. No. That was a desire and love for basketball, correct?
Julius [02:01:50]:
Yes. Yeah, that's my argument. But that's my argument about, like, kids being trained at a very young age shouldn't be because it becomes a homework to them. The basketball players, football players, soccer players forever, the ones that have been trained for a very young age are the ones that not actually succeeding are the ones that fall in love with the sport. Like, I picked up a basketball freaking. But I bet you like, what, 10th.
Eldar [02:02:12]:
Grade, there was no discipline in my practice.
Julius [02:02:13]:
No, it isn't. But you create your own discipline for yourself. You discipline. If you didn't go, if you missed day to go to a park.
Eldar [02:02:24]:
I missed a day. So what?
Julius [02:02:25]:
But did you feel a little bad about it?
Eldar [02:02:27]:
I don't remember.
Julius [02:02:28]:
Probably not as I'm saying. But you're like.
Eldar [02:02:34]:
The only reason why I finally felt going. No, it's because of the fact that I was probably doing some stupid assumptions. The only reason why I felt bad, not because I had some discipline to go.
Julius [02:02:49]:
No, there is a discipline.
Eldar [02:02:50]:
No, but it's something that you love, like smoking weed. You're not fucking disciplining yourself to smoke weed.
Julius [02:02:58]:
You're right.
Eldar [02:02:58]:
Yes or no?
Julius [02:03:00]:
You're right.
Eldar [02:03:00]:
You like smoking weed.
Julius [02:03:01]:
I was sports.
Eldar [02:03:03]:
Do you have to discipline your dumbass to smoke weed?
Julius [02:03:05]:
No, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't.
Eldar [02:03:11]:
Smoke weed. Discipline yourself to smoke weed, my friend.
Anatoliy [02:03:14]:
Sounds crazy. That's because you love it.
Eldar [02:03:18]:
Sounds crazy in the shit that you actually love and want to do. Have sex.
Mike [02:03:28]:
One time.
Julius [02:03:31]:
Yo, young guns over here. Fucking Jack Moroccan fucking came through. Hard body over.
Anatoliy [02:03:44]:
Talking about things you like versus things that you don't.
Julius [02:03:48]:
Listen, you should.
Eldar [02:03:49]:
If you have to discipline your ass, you shouldn't be fucking engaging.
Julius [02:03:51]:
Exactly.
Eldar [02:03:52]:
No, don't just agree. Think about what I just said.
Anatoliy [02:03:56]:
If you have to discipline yourself to do something, you shouldn't be doing it to begin with.
Julius [02:04:00]:
As good as a basketball player he is.
Mike [02:04:02]:
Yeah, I know.
Julius [02:04:03]:
Nobody ever talked. Nobody ever told him he just loved the game.
Mike [02:04:06]:
Well, yeah. So that has.
Julius [02:04:08]:
The thing is, he became as good as he is because he literally.
Mike [02:04:11]:
No, because he loved to do it.
Julius [02:04:14]:
The love of the game made him go to the park for 6 hours a day.
Mike [02:04:16]:
Yeah, but that's not. This.
Julius [02:04:17]:
It's unbelievable. Right? But the thing is.
Mike [02:04:19]:
But he didn't say, I have to come.
Anatoliy [02:04:20]:
Nobody has to remind us to do things that we like doing.
Julius [02:04:23]:
I personally think nobody put a wrong label word. Discipline. Discipline is having. It's almost like creating your own schedule. You know? I'm saying, like, you don't need schedule basketball. Only thing I could think about, like seven years ago. I can't wait to get out. No, I'm trying to flip the script over.
Julius [02:04:47]:
Not discipline. Right. So this was the wrong word to you. I feel like this is like. It's a wrong. Wrong rep. Right. Discipline is something that's like.
Julius [02:04:57]:
So when you slow up, play ball.
Eldar [02:04:59]:
Right.
Julius [02:04:59]:
You broke the right the way I was in fair damn park. Right.
Eldar [02:05:02]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:05:05]:
The thing is, like, I love this so much. And like, it's that. Like, it's like six fear seven, period. Like, I can't wait to get out. I can't wait to go. It's also. You make yourself self conscious. Things like, you know what makes you happy.
Eldar [02:05:17]:
That's right.
Julius [02:05:18]:
And you. It's your own personal. It's the. That's the word discipline. So. So vulgar. But, no, it's not yourself. Discipline of having.
Eldar [02:05:28]:
You can do work. You condition yourself to know what you like and know what you don't like. That's what you don't want to know. Dishes after school.
Julius [02:05:36]:
The argument. The word discipline actually means you putting things in order that make you happy. And military uses discipline as punishment.
Eldar [02:05:49]:
Okay, fine. Now we're talking.
Julius [02:05:50]:
Discipline is something that actually works for you in a perfect formula that makes you happy.
Eldar [02:05:56]:
That's right.
Julius [02:05:56]:
That's discipline. Right? Like waking up, making your bed.
Eldar [02:06:00]:
That's right.
Julius [02:06:00]:
It's an accomplishment. Getting up, making yourself a cup of tea, walking your dog, this and that.
Eldar [02:06:04]:
It's a robot making you into a robot.
Julius [02:06:08]:
Right. But the thing is, like, these are things that you create for yourself because nobody else tells you. Like, you can set your dog scare or this. Is that right? When people think of discipline, they think it's like, oh, somebody is told to you by somebody else. No, you can discipline yourself by saying yourself, like, schedule.
Eldar [02:06:21]:
You shouldn't.
Julius [02:06:22]:
You shouldn't. But that's the thing you think of word. Discipline is a very mean word.
Eldar [02:06:27]:
Not mean word.
Julius [02:06:28]:
I'm just saying yourself, saying, all right, like making a plan for tomorrow, right? Yeah, winging is great, but when things go in order and goes the right way under discipline, let's call it that, it makes you a little happier because you feel your plan succeeded. Sure.
Eldar [02:06:44]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:06:44]:
But.
Julius [02:06:50]:
Also, but also, like, I'm not talking about like a set in stone type of things. Like, oh, well, tomorrow to go for a hike, walk my dog.
Eldar [02:07:04]:
You won't jump on. You won't jump over the fact that discipline is actually are a self inflicting pain.
Julius [02:07:12]:
Yeah, it is correct.
Eldar [02:07:14]:
No, it's the inability. It's in the bill. It's inability to have to practice enough self love and to do things that you actually like and want. Therefore, you have to force yourself.
Julius [02:07:26]:
No, you gotta do certain shit that you don't want to do.
Mike [02:07:29]:
That's what they told you, bro. That's what they told you, bro. So you tell the goal in life is the only good thing that you want.
Eldar [02:07:35]:
Didn't go to work. I'm gonna be okay.
Mike [02:07:38]:
The thing is, you, you put yourself in a situation. You put. We put ourselves into positions.
Eldar [02:07:49]:
We put ourselves, we subject ourselves to these things and we buy into them, and then we go throughout our life like, yo, why am I not fucking happy?
Julius [02:07:58]:
Yeah, you put yourself, you put fucking weights on everything. Yes, put weights on everything.
Eldar [02:08:02]:
You understand? And then you have to, like, miss.
Julius [02:08:05]:
It's perfectly. Missing the gym. If you're a workout freak, missing a gym is like, ruins your day.
Eldar [02:08:10]:
Guilty. You see, if you stop feeling guilty.
Julius [02:08:11]:
Like.
Eldar [02:08:16]:
That'S what discipline will do. Right?
Julius [02:08:17]:
That's what this one discipline is. No discipline. But, no.
Eldar [02:08:25]:
I'm explaining to. Yeah, if it's.
Julius [02:08:27]:
Yeah, but you misunderstand, like me and elder love basketball to the point, like, to you might look like discipline.
Eldar [02:08:31]:
You think you're looking at us, you like, yo, exactly. I'll come here because I'm dedicated.
Julius [02:08:40]:
That's what it was.
Eldar [02:08:41]:
I come here because I like it.
Julius [02:08:42]:
We literally different things. That's what I've seen.
Eldar [02:08:45]:
Dudes that came there because they're dedicated.
Julius [02:08:46]:
And that's the separation between the guys actually made it nine. A lot of great. Like, LeBron didn't play ball. The very later was a football play. Like football, all that. He fell over the game of basketball became so easy to like. To me, basketball, like, yo, this is simple. And we were athletic and shit, and I was like, yeah, above the curve, but it is what it is.
Eldar [02:09:14]:
We need a big man, y'all. $10,000 on the line here. You know, I'm saying you could join the.
Julius [02:09:21]:
What's today's date? 320.
Eldar [02:09:23]:
Talk some shit.
Mike [02:09:24]:
24.
Julius [02:09:25]:
324.
Eldar [02:09:27]:
Finish all that beer.
Mike [02:09:28]:
23.
Eldar [02:09:29]:
I'm saying, throw it out.
Julius [02:09:31]:
So let's go for two weeks. Give me five days. Five days of detox. No problem, bro.
Eldar [02:09:37]:
I give you. I'll give you a month, bro. Call me in a month if you want. I'll give you a month. Call me in a month. Call me in a year. Say, oh, that. I'm ready for the shit.
Eldar [02:09:45]:
The 10,000. 10,000 still on the line.
Julius [02:09:47]:
He's so good. He's so good with those. So good with those.
Eldar [02:09:54]:
You're cheap, bro. You're cheap. He used to be a circus. 20 on that shit, bro. On your head if you don't lose weight.
Julius [02:10:07]:
I'm not talking every day.
Eldar [02:10:09]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:10:13]:
You don't remember that? But Mike was going bananas and all that. Elders like, he's like, listen, Mike, I really don't appreciate you just not giving the fuck about your own life.
Eldar [02:10:26]:
Yeah, I was there. Yes.
Mike [02:10:28]:
Yeah, dude.
Julius [02:10:29]:
I was like, yo, this motherfucker is cold, bro, but don't worry about it, bro.
Eldar [02:10:39]:
Yeah, man. So listen.
Julius [02:10:41]:
But it's. You just gotta find way.
Eldar [02:10:44]:
You employ this.
Julius [02:10:49]:
Religious discipline.
Eldar [02:10:52]:
You employ discipline when you ran out of self love? Well, that's the thing. Is it. Is it society? You missed it. You gotta watch this.
Julius [02:11:06]:
But the thing is, like, disciplines use the same condition. Things like. Professor Epstein used a perfect exercise. Remember that? Yeah, Professor Epstein had a perfect exercise about seeing how the whole thing about, like, who's an outlier? Who's that? Who has a mind of their own or not, right? And he had a. He was trying to. A student showing up like this class and he was like, everybody's gonna take. Everybody's gonna pretend that we're gonna take the quiz, even though the quiz is done in three days. But like, when angel woke, said like, yo, we're taking a quiz.
Julius [02:11:35]:
That's it. And we'll see how Andrew reacts. He know, he cold blooded knows that their fucking quizzes on Friday, but he sits down in the classroom and everybody else takes out a paper, starts taking the quiz. He's like, no, there's no way this is happening. But because the masses around him makes him change his mind completely, completely change his mind. That psychology experiment, that's the sickest psychology spirit ever, bro. Professor FC was the best dude. He was the illest dude.
Julius [02:12:07]:
And it's like, and that's what it's like. It's very hard to be the outsider in the conversation of group of people, right? As individuals, we could do our own thing, right? We do our own thing. Some people, like, you're not in high school anymore. You're not surrounded by a bunch of you, like, majority of your day is you and maybe a couple other people.
Eldar [02:12:27]:
But you might mentally still be in high school.
Mike [02:12:29]:
Yeah, you might be still in high school.
Julius [02:12:35]:
This guy thinks fucking nap times at 236. Where's my nap time, bro?
Eldar [02:12:49]:
Yeah, yeah. You have no idea. Yeah. Listen, you. You thought you got benefits, bro? Bro, we haven't started talking about the benefits. You want one more?
Julius [02:13:04]:
Yeah, DJ, the last one, bro. You can take the box and light it on fire.
Mike [02:13:11]:
No more love. Give it.
Julius [02:13:14]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:13:23]:
Enjoy, guys. Enjoy. But there is a shot of vodka up there if you.
Mike [02:13:27]:
And whiskey too.
Eldar [02:13:28]:
And whiskey. Yes.
Mike [02:13:29]:
Yeah, I like whiskey.
Eldar [02:13:31]:
Always a cold, cold glass.
Mike [02:13:33]:
Nice cold glass. You cold ice cube.
Julius [02:13:40]:
Are you now 30 this year? Jesus Christ. Black bone, crack, Derek. That's the least of your worries, bro. You got pulled over getting more than Karn. So, DJ, I mean, since I have a. I have a black. I had a black stepfather and a very big black family and all that. It was very interesting for me to, like, do.
Julius [02:14:09]:
I had to learn racism, you know, it's crazy.
Eldar [02:14:13]:
I have a friend from Jamaica, Elda.
Julius [02:14:15]:
Had to learn racism.
Eldar [02:14:21]:
I think it's an american.
Julius [02:14:22]:
You went to the States when you were like middle school?
Eldar [02:14:24]:
Eleven, bro.
Julius [02:14:25]:
Eleven, right. So you only came to fairly, what, fucking sophomore? Whatever.
Eldar [02:14:29]:
You went to Lincoln? No, I went to New York.
Julius [02:14:31]:
Oh, word. So, yeah, fail was a very different animal. Wrestling. I got a. I came to United States, like, I didn't speak a word of English, and I went to a very. I went to the biggest high school in the biggest high school in the states. I think the second biggest, Clifton high school. 4800 kids.
Julius [02:14:48]:
4800. I was treated as the way the minorities were in a way, like, you know, an immigrant kid, right? You ain't shit in that. And I didn't notice. I was like, oh, yeah, yeah. What the fuck? All fucked up shit. Oh, it is what it is, bro. I realized I could fucking dunk a basketball like, no, you.
Eldar [02:15:08]:
You're in.
Julius [02:15:09]:
You're in, bro.
Eldar [02:15:10]:
You're in, bro.
Mike [02:15:11]:
With the cool.
Julius [02:15:12]:
We need to Tokyo, my boy. You're in, bro. But the thing is, like, dude, I love that so much because, like, this ignorant group of, like, american families that are just so. It's like they're bitter because they feel like something that they've had is being taken away.
Eldar [02:15:33]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:15:34]:
Like you're talking about, like, black american families, right? I'm not. I'm talking about overall.
Eldar [02:15:38]:
He's talking about white.
Julius [02:15:39]:
Oh, no, no. My biggest conversation with my fucking. My grandfather, who's so.
Mike [02:15:45]:
No, hold on.
Julius [02:15:46]:
So my grandfather, right, he's one of the first African Americans to graduate Harvard School of law. He fucking was a massive fuck. Look it up, motherfucker. He knows.
Eldar [02:15:53]:
I know. I know.
Julius [02:15:55]:
Larry Doby was my stepfather's uncle, who's a second African American, played baseball.
Eldar [02:16:00]:
So the baseball player, I was about.
Anatoliy [02:16:02]:
To say.
Eldar [02:16:06]:
His brother was a Tuskegee. Tuskegee Airman.
Julius [02:16:09]:
No, you fucking asshole. No. Larry Doby was like, Jackie Robinson was American League and Larry Doby's National League. Larry Dobie. Larry. DJ Larry Doby. There's a friggin, you know, though, you know the baseball field, right on Route 20, we got our fair on Broadway by Microsoft that's named after Larry Doby.
Anatoliy [02:16:27]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:16:27]:
Second african american play. He's the first.
Eldar [02:16:30]:
That's your grandfather?
Julius [02:16:31]:
Yes, that's my. That's my grandfather's stepson. That's. No, that's my stepfather's uncle. That's my grandfather's whole family, dude. I walked into their home Akunel. I was like, I saw photos like Bill Russell fucking will chamber. I was like, yo, who the.
Julius [02:16:46]:
I was like, my mom's like, you told me married a black guy. It was like, yo, there's. There's nothing black about dark. Nothing, in my opinion, right? Because he's like, dude sisters, fucking Columbia brothers, Stanford. He only one brother became a DEA in, like, Baltimore. Like straight up, like, you know, like good rat fucking awesome, bro. Greatest dude ever. And my stepfather, I was like, mom, I looked at my mother was like, you had to take the white sheep of a black family, didn't you? You had to take the motherfucker ain't got shit.
Julius [02:17:19]:
Yo, my mom is like a. I realized my mother is a woman that literally, like, she. She dates men or marries men. They're like. Like dogs out of a dog bound. They have to be fixed. There's something wrong with them. There's something wrong with him.
Julius [02:17:33]:
And you know what it was? I was like, you narcissist. Fucking psycho.
Eldar [02:17:37]:
How about I picked you up?
Julius [02:17:39]:
No, straight up. But the longest marriage you ever had was to the freaking african american fucking gentleman named Derek. Fucking great, dude. The whole family. I used to go there and sit down and I used to have these conversations, be like, how do you feel about racism, this, this and that. I'm like, no, I used to sit down with them. Like, my grandfather, he's a Harvard frickin attorney. Like, straight up, like the Harvard school of law.
Julius [02:17:59]:
Great fucking. Yo, this man was the most I'm. Dude to fucking work with, like, to talk to and all that. I said, I was like. I was like. I was like, pop.
Eldar [02:18:09]:
Pop.
Julius [02:18:09]:
I was like, what do you feel about Fermi reaction? He's like a firm. He's like a firm of action. He's the dirtiest thing ever done to a human being.
Eldar [02:18:16]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:18:17]:
And he taught me that. He explained it to me fully in hindsight. My dumbass got drunk as fuck. I'm at a party. I'm talking about. Oh, you said that. Listen, this. I'm.
Julius [02:18:30]:
I'm in fucking. I'm. I'm gonna fucking party at Princeton. I'm in Princeton. The sorority chicks and all that. This is beautiful. Black sorority chick sitting there. I was like, they're talking about, like, all these fucking public things.
Julius [02:18:41]:
And I was like. I was like, listen. I was like, I'm gonna shut you all. You got fucking down. I was like, look, what's your opinion on a fermenter? God, it's great for that. I was like. I was like. I turned to her.
Julius [02:18:50]:
I was like. I was like, I'm sorry, but I'm gonna ask you one question. Can you tell me 100% that you're in Princeton because of your skin color or because of your grades?
Eldar [02:18:58]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:18:59]:
She looked at me. She was like, I can't. Do you realize that affirmative action completely discredits you, everything you are because you're of skin color? If you are up to the level of other candidates.
Eldar [02:19:14]:
Well, what if they prefer that?
Julius [02:19:16]:
Who prefers that? When you're an eyeball? Who would prefer that if you're the fucking valedictorian. And you know what it was? She got upset at me. And after that, she came to me and she apologized. She's like, you're so right. It's like. Yeah, it's the difference of, like, when you talk to people, and my grandfather told me, it's like, it's like when you talk to people, it's like, the racism will not be gone in this country until, like, he's like, until him himself. He's like, until him himself. He says, like, when I speak to you and tell me, like, my white friend John is like, there shouldn't be a conversation.
Julius [02:19:43]:
White friend John or my black friend Joe. Yeah, no, it's Joe or John. And there shouldn't be things like black actors or white actors. No, you're an actor.
Eldar [02:19:52]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:19:53]:
Until those labels exist and exist in black community themselves. Yeah, it's a vicious circle until that disappears. But that thing is, the problem is, like, now it's entering the educational system where I gotta feel guilty because something. It's like, it's the. What the fuck?
Eldar [02:20:13]:
Wake it up, son. Wake it up.
Julius [02:20:16]:
So I'm gonna give you a leg up. I'm gonna give you leg up. I'm gonna give you a leg up. Do not go like, yo, Biden this, Biden that. Do you realize that man is a ragdoll in an office? And I'm not a Donald Trump supporter, but Donald Trump, the only reason.
Anatoliy [02:20:37]:
Come on, man.
Julius [02:20:38]:
Still in that office is because he told everybody in the office to go fuck themselves. And that's the difference. And that's what it is. Like. So for us, it's not really like who's gonna be in the office. Like, a lot of people in the US government don't realize, like, we gotta pick a person is gonna pick a good cabinet.
Eldar [02:20:55]:
Yes.
Julius [02:20:56]:
The gavin is shit. Joe is fucking high on fucking mescaline for. It doesn't matter what that man says, because he could say one thing like, he's like, yeah, I will never drill Alaska. Yeah, bro, we're drilling Alaska next week, but that's all right.
Eldar [02:21:14]:
Let's get back to it.
Mike [02:21:15]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:21:17]:
So totally you're not satisfied.
Anatoliy [02:21:19]:
I'm not.
Mike [02:21:20]:
You didn't like the answer?
Julius [02:21:22]:
Well, totally, because it questions too.
Mike [02:21:23]:
Damn the question. Answer everything to me. Make sense?
Eldar [02:21:30]:
Mike, break it down.
Julius [02:21:35]:
What do you.
Mike [02:21:36]:
I. Oh, you were in the shitter.
Eldar [02:21:37]:
Probably ask him, I guess.
Julius [02:21:39]:
Question is the second question.
Mike [02:21:40]:
Excitement. Excitement must come from being wrong. No, that one, we didn't get there yet.
Julius [02:21:47]:
Even though we got through the excitement and wrong thing. It's.
Mike [02:21:50]:
Wait, is that what's not sitting with you?
Anatoliy [02:21:52]:
Yeah, we're. Yeah, we're still there.
Mike [02:21:54]:
Oh, we're still there.
Julius [02:21:55]:
My thing. My question to you is like, how do you tie excitement and being wrong into the same vicinity? Because those are. It's a negative and a positive. Oh, I got something.
Eldar [02:22:07]:
Yeah. Must be excited, because either you're gonna learn from it, or you need to be.
Julius [02:22:11]:
But we accomplish that.
Eldar [02:22:13]:
Yeah, well.
Anatoliy [02:22:13]:
Well, yeah, part of that. Yeah, well, I think that's the issue. Is that being wrong, you like, you're. Like you're saying it from the beginning. You're saying that it's a negative and a positive. Where I think it should be a positive and a positive.
Julius [02:22:29]:
Well, then I'm gonna tell you right now.
Eldar [02:22:33]:
If you figure out what he's telling you, and if you able to apply this, he will cure your disease in an instant moment. But it's very hard to do. To jump over what he's trying to say.
Julius [02:22:45]:
What you just said, right. The reason I brought up Professor Epstein, right. That kid that was like. Refuses to say, like, y'all know everybody else is wrong and I'm right. He refuses to go up. Step out of that comfort zone.
Eldar [02:22:57]:
Right.
Julius [02:22:57]:
Cuz he's not that dude. A lot of people will not challenge. A lot of people will not want to find out if they're right or.
Mike [02:23:05]:
I like where you're heading, Jules.
Julius [02:23:06]:
You know, a lot of people.
Mike [02:23:09]:
I'm gonna give you a word.
Julius [02:23:09]:
Yep. Yeah.
Mike [02:23:11]:
It's empowerment.
Julius [02:23:13]:
Yeah. It's. It's when you accept wrong, you empower somebody else.
Mike [02:23:17]:
Oh, no, no.
Eldar [02:23:20]:
Think about it.
Mike [02:23:20]:
Listen, you get excited about being wrong. You are. Most people don't get this, but do the right.
Julius [02:23:29]:
No, hold on a second. No, but you are sold on you. You understand your wrong before, but that's. There's gotta be separation. You gotta understand you're wrong before you expose yourself. Some. Somebody doesn't find out you're wrong, you find out yourself you're wrong, then you can get excited.
Mike [02:23:45]:
No, that's not.
Julius [02:23:46]:
If somebody else points out you're super wrong.
Mike [02:23:48]:
The problem is that. The problem is that most people not empowered. So therefore, people who are not empowered are not gonna change. They don't get excited. I mean, to me, if I'm. If I'm doing something wrong and I generally find out about it, I think that's a good prerequisite. Because now I have the power to change.
Eldar [02:24:07]:
Yes.
Julius [02:24:07]:
Your type of person, you're proactive, you're probably making yourself right.
Eldar [02:24:11]:
No, no, but listen, that is extremely important, because if you're a problem solver, for you to recognize that you're wrong is an exciting shit because you're going forward, you're gonna be able to live a better life.
Anatoliy [02:24:26]:
Yeah, but. But the majority of people don't believe that they're in control of their own. Of their own lives.
Julius [02:24:31]:
You see that. That's the. That's the paradox. Like this. There's too many.
Anatoliy [02:24:35]:
How can you be excited about being wrong if you don't believe that you're in control of your own life and.
Eldar [02:24:39]:
You don't have a solution?
Julius [02:24:43]:
Like, if you. If. If you learn yourself, you're wrong about something. Right. If you learn yourself, you're wrong about something and you change that.
Eldar [02:24:50]:
So that you're saying that, then review your paper, then. No, Jules. Then what you're saying is that the inability to be wrong is the disease that breeds all disease.
Anatoliy [02:25:03]:
The inability to be wrong.
Eldar [02:25:05]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:25:06]:
Animosity's bread for being wrong because I.
Mike [02:25:08]:
Think it's like the.
Julius [02:25:09]:
You pointed out, because it pretty much arrogance exist.
Mike [02:25:13]:
And you think you know. Correct the thinking that you know something.
Eldar [02:25:16]:
That you know is good. It's the base.
Julius [02:25:19]:
Right. Right.
Mike [02:25:19]:
What does it say?
Eldar [02:25:20]:
Right, like that. Right. Speed.
Julius [02:25:23]:
Right.
Mike [02:25:24]:
Thought is. You think you know.
Eldar [02:25:25]:
Yeah.
Mike [02:25:26]:
And that causes everything else to trickle down.
Anatoliy [02:25:28]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:25:28]:
Because you're ignorant to the rest of the facts.
Anatoliy [02:25:30]:
Yeah. That's.
Eldar [02:25:30]:
Why would you go to a. And say, you know what? The reason why I drink is because I have a big ego.
Julius [02:25:35]:
I would say I've been.
Eldar [02:25:37]:
You don't go there. Right. You don't say, but. But I'm gonna tell you right now. And all that therapy shit will get to the fact that you actually. The reason why you drink is because you have a pride and ego.
Julius [02:25:47]:
Yeah. Hundred percent. The only way I could get to my.
Eldar [02:25:53]:
Well, how do you get there?
Julius [02:25:54]:
Like, get to my mental state of having the pride and ego that I have naturally. That I used to have naturally is through drugs.
Mike [02:26:04]:
The only way to get that.
Eldar [02:26:09]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:26:10]:
I've put myself down a class, admittedly.
Mike [02:26:12]:
You actually are.
Eldar [02:26:13]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:26:14]:
Like when I was 25. Yeah. Sky was the limit. No fucking problems. Right. Whatever. I could do drugs at 30. That I literally substituted my aging and being.
Julius [02:26:23]:
Me being as relevant and me being set of attention.
Mike [02:26:28]:
You wanted to keep being a.
Julius [02:26:31]:
For me to have the same set of keys.
Eldar [02:26:33]:
He is on the journey of finding out, reading, defining pain.
Mike [02:26:37]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:26:37]:
Yeah. Right. With this type of understanding about his. His condition. Right. He's like, look, you know what I mean? It doesn't hurt as much as it does.
Mike [02:26:45]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:26:46]:
Right. Yeah. He knows how to put it on.
Mike [02:26:49]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:26:49]:
But as soon as he finds out how he actually is, how much is in pain, which is facing himself, they can't live with himself.
Mike [02:26:56]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:26:56]:
And the changes, that's why you gotta lock yourself to the thing up until point. Yeah. That's what you like yourself in a radiator.
Julius [02:27:04]:
I mean, I've sat through some shit. I've gone cold Marshall microdose, but only.
Mike [02:27:10]:
To a certain point that you correct. You never, like. You never like, look yourself in the mirror and said everything. That's the truth about you to yourself because you never actually thought about how much of a person, like, if you.
Eldar [02:27:21]:
Want around and say, no, the reason.
Julius [02:27:23]:
Why I drink, I'm a liar, I'm notorious, I'm pushing the blame.
Mike [02:27:26]:
The whole push the.
Julius [02:27:28]:
Yeah, everything ever wrong.
Mike [02:27:31]:
That's for sure.
Julius [02:27:31]:
Part of it, yeah, everything.
Mike [02:27:34]:
I don't think we understand how actually.
Julius [02:27:37]:
Happened to me wrongly made me who I am. So everything that's gone on and I could have gone a very different way in life and all that, actually.
Eldar [02:27:48]:
You still feel sorry for yourself for that one, too.
Julius [02:27:52]:
I feel so myself because, like, I look at my friends and I, in a way I don't, but I do like friends of mine, like, sockets and that. They're fucking all living ridiculous lives. Like multimillion dollar sports contracts. One's a fucking movie star. That's that. Like, I going, you know what it is? I go to Lithuania, bring five or $6,000. I've saved hard for a long time. I go spend a week or ten days with these guys, and I have to put up a front that my life is better than theirs.
Eldar [02:28:31]:
Mmm. Why?
Julius [02:28:35]:
Because I feel like the big thing was. Is like, that me, like, me coming to America first was awesome. Like ten years ago. Yeah.
Eldar [02:28:42]:
You fucking shit up.
Julius [02:28:43]:
Tits. Tits, bro. Now America's a laugh and stock, and my cousins that fucking barely could fucking read could make more money than I do. That's the fucking scary part. A lot of people don't realize that. Europe fucking up, crushing it. Like, when a fucking dude that makes cabinets, the name fucking Igor, okay? Makes $5,400 of euros a week. Like, do what? Yeah, like, dude, that money didn't exist back then.
Julius [02:29:11]:
I was like, that's why you try.
Eldar [02:29:12]:
To sell yourself to the devil for ten grand a year, bro. What can you do with that? Ten k brought the end of that year.
Julius [02:29:31]:
In hindsight, I'm the one that's winning. You get me sober for a year, you know, it's like, yo, this level becomes some shit. I'll be on top of that. Listen, you got to think about it that way, right? That. That's the thing. You look at it like, oh, it's a number versus a number. Like, there's. There's a hole.
Eldar [02:29:45]:
I don't think you could do it.
Mike [02:29:46]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:29:47]:
Usually don't. I know.
Mike [02:29:48]:
You don't know.
Eldar [02:29:51]:
I think you talking shit. You fool yourself.
Julius [02:29:53]:
Oh, fuck. Fucking Hindenburg, bro.
Mike [02:29:58]:
You know what I mean?
Julius [02:30:00]:
So my fucking Condy is fucking up, right?
Eldar [02:30:03]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [02:30:03]:
I mean, to me, it just doesn't make. It wouldn't even make sense because it's like how he's talking about describes and what it, like, ten grand is not worth.
Eldar [02:30:10]:
I mean, it serves a very important purpose.
Julius [02:30:12]:
Purpose that's worth more than ten. The thing is, like, for me, he knows that ten grand is not gonna make me change my mind. 2030, it wouldn't change my mind because it would be a day when I get out of work and I'm fucking drive right up to fucking height and pick up a bag and blow a line. All it takes is a fucking single trigger. It's the problem. Figuring out what those triggers are.
Eldar [02:30:34]:
Well, that's the thing. That's why I think if you. If you. If you pay attention to what he's saying and if you can understand that this is the way we operate throughout our life, right. But by not being able to accept the fact that we're wrong and then get excited about it. Right. It's a mental block that we have. If you do figure that out, you actually cure everything.
Julius [02:30:52]:
Yeah, I don't think. Figure it out just cures it. Figure it out. Figure it out. Get depressed.
Mike [02:30:57]:
In that moment, if you saw that equation, you are empowered. You're no longer asleep to everything else, especially the drugs that is ruling your life.
Eldar [02:31:05]:
You got stuck to a different. You have a different focus. It's no longer the discipline, Julius. It becomes love. And love makes you show up to the basketball court and even clean the snow off of it.
Julius [02:31:16]:
Go back to playing ball, huh?
Eldar [02:31:18]:
Well, no, I think that's. That would be inevitable if you quit, because you would. You would identify all the things that you actually love. Like, you actually would do it effortlessly.
Julius [02:31:30]:
I feel like the only reason I really got good ass while this is basketball was, like, really my sanctuary. I fell in love with it because, like, it was me and my actions took what I did.
Eldar [02:31:40]:
Yeah. Like, oh, you being good is subjective. But, okay.
Julius [02:31:44]:
Yeah. You being a team player.
Eldar [02:31:50]:
Oh, yeah. We have free passes that you can go to. Where? Lifetime fitness. You could check it out. It's really cougars in that, but it's hella. Hella. I mean, yeah, no, no, I do have to, like.
Julius [02:32:03]:
I need to, like, get my.
Eldar [02:32:05]:
Get your bread up.
Julius [02:32:05]:
You know what I'm saying?
Eldar [02:32:06]:
You gotta get your bread up. Gotta pay your fines. You got. You know what I'm saying? Before you can live a good life, DJ, you gotta suffer more, man. Come on, man. No, we need to establish that what should be you. Good.
Mike [02:32:21]:
You're not.
Eldar [02:32:23]:
Nobody's trying to suffer more, t. It's not that. I know, I.
Julius [02:32:28]:
That's just gonna happen. But this year right here.
Eldar [02:32:33]:
Well, some type of suffering, you know what I'm saying? You're gonna find yourself in some kind of mud. I'm cool. Off the financial suffering. Yeah, you cool?
Julius [02:32:40]:
I'm gonna ask you a question. How old is 30? You go to college?
Eldar [02:32:44]:
No.
Julius [02:32:45]:
What do you do for a living right now?
Eldar [02:32:48]:
He does your job.
Julius [02:32:51]:
What are you doing?
Eldar [02:32:52]:
He does your job, Jules.
Mike [02:32:53]:
Remember?
Eldar [02:32:54]:
Guess what's. Patrick.
Julius [02:32:54]:
Julius. Wait, what? Really? You're the man.
Eldar [02:32:59]:
He took your job.
Mike [02:33:01]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:33:01]:
Record manager. But not forgets.
Eldar [02:33:03]:
Gets.
Julius [02:33:03]:
Yeah. Gets is fucking. There was a shoe in, David.
Eldar [02:33:07]:
Off. I.
Julius [02:33:08]:
Listen, stop playing fucking games in your fucking life. Simple as that. Like the best thing ever happening is the day you miss work. You're fucking fired.
Eldar [02:33:18]:
No.
Julius [02:33:21]:
Can you put a light bulb in?
Eldar [02:33:22]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:33:26]:
Go take a civil test right now. There's a shorter ventilation, all that. You get an internship today. Fucking straight up about basic fucking math. Pass test. You get it to the fucking union.
Eldar [02:33:37]:
What is it? What if he's in there?
Julius [02:33:42]:
Right? You get it to the union. Yeah. You'll suck it up. Make it like $19, $30 an hour first for years. Do you understand? In four years, you make 120 grand a year in your child. Million dollars in a bank at 60. What the fuck are you doing? Programming program. What?
Eldar [02:33:59]:
Char. GPT is about to take your job. How long you been programming?
Julius [02:34:07]:
What are you doing? C plus. Plus, motherfucker. Go fuck yourself. C Plus was out. The windows will replace c and fucking hell.
Eldar [02:34:18]:
It's a good tool to use.
Julius [02:34:19]:
You tell me some nerdy mother.
Eldar [02:34:22]:
What can you program right now? Can you code a calculator?
Julius [02:34:30]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:34:30]:
Okay. Yeah, off the rip.
Julius [02:34:36]:
Like four years ago, you were trying to build a website. Now it's like, you just.
Eldar [02:34:40]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:34:40]:
Press, like, the hardest, it's easier. Microsoft word.
Mike [02:34:49]:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Julius [02:34:51]:
Do you understand?
Eldar [02:34:52]:
Like, well, maybe that's his passion. No, Joe, no.
Julius [02:34:57]:
Code is, dude, learn code. Like full blown code, cuz and all that shit. Fuck that. You gotta learn AI code because c wasn't. I mean, yeah, you gotta learn how to. You gotta learn a. It's the same ideas like in 1990. In 1960.
Julius [02:35:11]:
In 1960s. We went to the moon. Right? We went to the fucking moon.
Mike [02:35:14]:
Allegedly.
Julius [02:35:15]:
Hold on. Allegedly, you fucking belarusian fuck. We went to the moon. The women that calculated the trajectory and all that, they were able to calculate like three decimal points further than a computer back then. But their jobs began obsolete and they had to learn how to code the computer to do the calculations that they can do already. That's the goal I'm gonna feel about. Motherfucker. You can't pull a wire from point a to baby bro unless you got a body.
Julius [02:35:45]:
What up?
Eldar [02:35:48]:
But the thing is that people don't.
Julius [02:35:49]:
Realize like IQBT is also very wrong.
Mike [02:35:51]:
A lot of times about shit that.
Julius [02:35:53]:
Like currency that you need to know, like up to date.
Eldar [02:35:56]:
Yeah, if something like, cuz for coding everything gets updated quick every day. So Chad, GBT can help you in theoretical point, but if you don't know.
Julius [02:36:07]:
Your shit, you're not is.
Eldar [02:36:08]:
You're not gonna. It's not gonna do anything for you. All right, guys, final thoughts on the subject matter? Guys, we talked about a lot. All right, Mike, your final thoughts on the subject? Because we said a lot on the whole subject.
Mike [02:36:30]:
I have nothing. I mean, we said a lot.
Eldar [02:36:32]:
You said a lot.
Mike [02:36:32]:
Yeah. The thing is. Yeah. I don't know how to figure out and how to actually believe that you know nothing.
Eldar [02:36:40]:
Yeah. Julius, your final thoughts on whatever, whatever you feel like. Your final thoughts.
Julius [02:36:48]:
It's a great topic and everything, but it's. It's the whole underlying subject of how do you like, about being wrong, being excited. Like a lot of people don't know that they're wrong.
Eldar [02:37:01]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:37:03]:
Because there's so many things that confirm, you know, confirm them being wrong. Right. Because it's like, it's the bias that the social media, not like even the news, they're not even called the news now. It's called opinion labels. But they could give their own opinion about that. Like they don't have to. Whatever they put up on tv doesn't have to be fact checked. It's called opinions.
Julius [02:37:28]:
It's like the only thing you could really watch is like BBC or like israeli news because these motherfuckers will literally show you like straight truth. You know, it's because they're all braiding right. So it's. It's. It manipulates a lot of our. A lot of our society. And it's. I love the idea.
Julius [02:37:45]:
It's like learning that you're wrong and excited about it. I feel like that really applies in a lot of scholars.
Eldar [02:37:53]:
Oh, interesting.
Julius [02:37:55]:
People are trying to learn something new. They're looking for the future. Right. Failure is the way to the success. Right. In bio. And sure, many scientists have failed many times, but the one that get. I feel like the one that succeeds, even the ones that failed or they see him succeed, get excited.
Eldar [02:38:14]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:38:15]:
You know, because it's. It's something there. Because it's a learning process, right? On that level, the learning process, yeah. It exists 100%. There's, you know, it's. It's. It's. It's.
Julius [02:38:24]:
They say you gotta learn from history. Right. History is a mistake there. It's, it. But it's like, yeah, let's learn from it. You know, like, let's learn where there's a lot of mistakes that we've made but we repeating them. And it's. Yeah, it's almost a little paradox, but it's hell, it's a hell of.
Julius [02:38:42]:
It's a hell of mentality to look at, you know? But people got to judge themselves first before look at everybody else. Just look at your own mistakes before you look at everybody else's.
Eldar [02:38:51]:
Thank you, Julius, for those final thoughts. My final thoughts. It almost sounds like a chicken or the egg, right? Problem here, right? Because you're saying, on one hand saying, look, it's very hard to, you know, to take the mentality that Tollie's pushing for and say, you know, get excited about being wrong because the. The new. Your new growth is right there. Right? You can, you can learn from it and stuff like that and progress and stuff like that. But on the other hand, you're barred from experience that because you probably have a, you know, learning disability because your ego and your pride or your arrogance is what's holding you away from learning in the first place.
Mike [02:39:32]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:39:33]:
All right. So it's almost like if you can't learn, then you're not really empowered. So you never have the empower empowered moment that can propel you right through the dark times of being wrong. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So what do you fucking do?
Mike [02:39:54]:
That's the question.
Eldar [02:39:55]:
What the fuck do you do if you're. You're trapped on both sides, right? Because you're arrogant motherfucker with pride and ego that knows everything.
Mike [02:40:02]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:40:02]:
You know what I'm saying. So you can never get to the point that you're fucking wrong.
Mike [02:40:05]:
Yeah. You know what I mean?
Eldar [02:40:06]:
Cuz you're defending yourself and you're fucking point all your life. You know what I mean?
Mike [02:40:11]:
Suffer more and faster.
Julius [02:40:13]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:40:14]:
So then you, you're asking for rock bottom again.
Mike [02:40:16]:
Yes.
Eldar [02:40:17]:
In order to get some kind of humility in you. In order to say, okay, I'm willing to listen to a different take. Yes, no longer I'm listening to my take because my take is no longer serving me. I'm getting into three day benders, right? I'm not, you know, I need somebody else. You'll elder. Y'all hit me up, you know what I mean? Like give me something.
Julius [02:40:33]:
You know what I mean?
Eldar [02:40:34]:
Check, check, check, check up on me, right?
Julius [02:40:35]:
Was that take your mind off.
Eldar [02:40:38]:
But again, it's. It's calling for the fact that you need to suffer more and get to a point of humility in order to be able to then say, you know what? I'm willing to listen to a different thing. And if you never get there, she knows the dark place. He calls it the black hole. Right. You know what I'm saying? So you stay there by yourself alone. And it's a very lonely place.
Julius [02:40:59]:
You get yourself out of it, but we get to save out of it. It's exciting.
Eldar [02:41:04]:
Oh, there you go. Small improvements. Small little glimpse that there's a light at the end of the tunnel. Gets you a little bit excited for only that period of time. Because what your condition responses.
Julius [02:41:18]:
That's the problem.
Eldar [02:41:19]:
Still fucks you for granted. Catches it, catches up to you. Yeah. So this is almost have to be like a mantra practice for you to try to never lose your memory of what's happening here. Probably right in that moment for the like to constantly remember sponsor. Yeah. Or sponsor. There you go.
Eldar [02:41:35]:
There's a reason for a sponsor who can actually check up on you. That's why he appointed me to be a sponsor for the moment. So like, yo, check up on me and see yo where my head is up because this is what I set out to do. This was my new year resolution. So I check up on him like, yo, you done or no? He's like, I'm getting them a guy.
Julius [02:41:51]:
Because, you know, it's not the push. This is a whole different thing.
Eldar [02:41:53]:
You know what I'm saying?
Julius [02:41:54]:
All different relationship, you know?
Eldar [02:41:56]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:41:56]:
So like I'm going cold turkey. I'm doing this, this. And I was like, I'm trying to work myself into something better.
Eldar [02:42:02]:
So advice here is if you're experiencing any type of negative emotions from being wrong, especially because you're many times wrong, let's just say in life, are you constantly hitting the same wall with your head? Right. Try to find a way to get a little bit humble as fast as possible in order to start asking questions about your condition. When you start asking questions about your condition, you'll find that light at the end of the tunnel. That might give you the excitement of being wrong.
Julius [02:42:29]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:42:30]:
But for now, your shit is fucked up. You're fucked.
Julius [02:42:34]:
That's okay. You gotta learn how to accept that. That actually gets a little scary when you actually alert. You accept, you start accepting that.
Mike [02:42:42]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:42:45]:
Well, I think that's why it's not just for a chance that you're here today. Julius, Tony, what's your final thoughts on this dilemma you fucking pose this with?
Anatoliy [02:42:53]:
Yeah, I feel like a big prerequisite to, like, getting to a point where you can be happy with being wrong is. Is like one. One thing is learning more about, like, humility, right. And being more humble. And then the second thing is maybe getting glimpses of empowerment and get to a point where you get, like, a firmer belief over time that you do have control over your reality and you are in a position to change your actions. And I think, more importantly, for those people more in a position to change your outcomes. And I think that the outcomes is what people don't believe in, because I think that they have a harder time believing that some of the actions that they'll take will produce particular outcomes and they have control over that. So I think that, like, they need to get glimpses of success.
Anatoliy [02:44:03]:
They could.
Eldar [02:44:04]:
Yeah.
Anatoliy [02:44:05]:
Believe that they can do things that will change. And I think through that, you can get to a point where you can then become happy and excited about doing wrong because you have results that empower.
Julius [02:44:20]:
Yeah, results is a big thing.
Eldar [02:44:21]:
DJ, do you have any final thoughts on this matter besides from the fact that you learned that you need to continue to suffer? You do.
Mike [02:44:38]:
I've been knew that.
Eldar [02:44:39]:
All right.
Julius [02:44:40]:
I knew that.
Eldar [02:44:40]:
Yeah. I love getting wrong, but, like, good. That's awesome.
Julius [02:44:45]:
We're not talking about driving, huh? Driving, not driving class. Not when you lost the license.
Eldar [02:44:51]:
I never lost my life.
Julius [02:44:55]:
All right, sounds good, brother. Sorry, I don't want to interrupt. Go ahead, brother.
Eldar [02:44:58]:
No, I mean, I still am kind of caught up on the whole discipline.
Julius [02:45:04]:
Thing because I feel like in order for you to.
Eldar [02:45:08]:
I don't know, man.
Julius [02:45:08]:
It's weird. That discipline thing, I feel like, falls into a lot.
Eldar [02:45:11]:
And the episode is called discipline is dead. It's Dennis rocks on Spotify. Check it out. There's a serious argument that Mike presented to us, and we couldn't jump over it. And I agree with that.
Julius [02:45:24]:
Right.
Eldar [02:45:24]:
It's bad. It's bad for you. So don't think that discipline is dead in the sense that there's no. There's no more discipline out there. No, that's not what we meant. What we mean what? When he says discipline is dead, that means it's dead for him.
Mike [02:45:36]:
Yeah.
Eldar [02:45:36]:
He does not want to partake in discipline ever again. Why?
Julius [02:45:39]:
You're above that.
Eldar [02:45:40]:
Why? Because he wants to practice self love. If he practices of self love, he finds himself in things that he actually likes and enjoys. And no dual discipline is needed in those areas.
Julius [02:45:51]:
That applies to age group. What I think that applies to an age group. Certain people. A certain age could say, like, I don't need discipline anymore. I figured out what I need to do.
Eldar [02:46:00]:
No, I think it's not even like.
Julius [02:46:04]:
It's like as.
Eldar [02:46:06]:
No, I think it's a philosophy.
Julius [02:46:07]:
Like, young, young. Discipline is young.
Mike [02:46:09]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:46:10]:
The lessons need discipline to teach them.
Mike [02:46:12]:
In discipline is there.
Anatoliy [02:46:23]:
I think, the world.
Eldar [02:46:26]:
That's why you still a drifter, bro. That's why you still drifting. Which is fine. Which is fine. You still try to find your way in life. What's. What you're talking about? You're facing $5.
Julius [02:46:39]:
That's fine.
Eldar [02:46:50]:
He found his way in life.
Mike [02:46:52]:
Yeah.
Julius [02:46:52]:
No, I'm saying, like, will you fall in the fucking roots? What are you doing, brother?
Eldar [02:47:01]:
No, I just got fucked up. We'll say it off the mic.
Julius [02:47:06]:
Off the record.
Eldar [02:47:07]:
No, we'll say it off the record. We want to say that I grab everybody by their pussy. Yeah. So, yes, DJ discipline, bro.
Julius [02:47:21]:
We're not to say some people need discipline. Yeah.
Eldar [02:47:24]:
I'm not sure if you're stupid, people. If you're stupid, you need discipline.
Anatoliy [02:47:30]:
Yes. That's it.
Julius [02:47:32]:
It's. It's.
Eldar [02:47:32]:
Sorry, Jules.
Julius [02:47:33]:
It's Jules.
Eldar [02:47:34]:
I don't know what Jordan Peterson put you on roll. Let's say he got it wrong.
Julius [02:47:39]:
Yeah, but the thing is, like, different. Like, when you went to high school, bro, there was, like, three dudes in entire high school. Like, y'all, I'm being an artist. There's two guys in the classroom. Like, I'm the electrician. The other guy's like, my dad's a plumber. And chicken's like, I'll be a school teacher and 27 kids in the classroom. Like, I'm an influencer.
Julius [02:48:02]:
Like shit. What?
Eldar [02:48:05]:
Yeah. What's wrong with that? Jewels? You're gonna be getting cake, bro. You the only person who's gonna have two hands on there. On them. You know that? Work shit.
Julius [02:48:14]:
When the bird, when the world burns. These are the hands. Keep you vibe.
Eldar [02:48:20]:
I can't wait. I'll call you.
Julius [02:48:22]:
It's a problem? Yes.
Eldar [02:48:24]:
And the balance is the balance round. Those who need to drown will drown.
63. Personal Transformation: Beyond the Struggles of Addiction and Sobriety
Mar 31, 2023•3 hr 49 min•Ep. 63
Episode description
In episode "Personal Transformation: Beyond the Struggles of Addiction and Sobriety", the hosts Eldar, Mike, Toliy and guests Julius and DJ delve into the complex journey of personal change and the struggle of overcoming addiction. Julius opens up about his experiences with substance abuse and the arduous path to sobriety, emphasizing the lack of external validation and support that often accompanies this journey. The conversation swiftly transitions to the broader concept of embracing the excitement of being wrong, as the hosts share personal anecdotes and delve into societal attitudes towards mistakes and admissions of error.
The episode also explores themes such as the impact of upbringing on mental habits, the role of discipline in achieving personal and professional goals, and the societal challenges related to admitting wrongdoings. The hosts touch on various topics, from the psychological effects of comfort and the paradox of technology in social planning to the influence of racial labels and the consequences of justifying flawed actions. Through a mix of lighthearted banter and deep discussions, this episode offers a poignant look into the human experience of growth, failure, and the ongoing quest for self-improvement.
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