128. Navigating Ruts, Creativity, and the True Meaning of Fulfillment: A Candid Conversation with Tommy and Harris

On this week's episode .

Living today . If you're not doing so well and you're in a rut , what can you do for yourself ? Today is the question you should be asking yourself . And what can you do ?

I just realized that he answered the question . You know what it is what . So all you need to reach is six figures and that's it . You think that you're going to be happy . You're good after that .

Yeah , you know , 100 , 150,000 a year . You know , everything's beachy .

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying . I'm fucking done .

Goodbye .

I'd like to celebrate this moment we had the first walk-off on our podcast .

I'm confused why the hell he took it so personal . I just stormed off man .

Alright , guys , tommy . Tommy Present . Would you like to introduce the topic ? I threw around two topics . Okay , what do you got ?

The first . Well , karis , you know it was to get over a slump or a rut . In other words , like a block , like things are frustrating , you're tired and you go through maybe a long period of inaction , not doing nothing . Uh , and then the other one , which you were not here for I thought of how does that sound ?

first of all , well , I think you might want to do a better job at explaining the topic that you were bringing up . So , harris , if you recall that conversation that you had with Tom , could ?

you give us a better . You were talking about how did I push through ? I'd say , when I was down , right , that's what you were feeling depression .

Let me clarify a little bit . I'll elaborate . I was just thinking today about a time in my life when I would , you know , like I would read some stuff and it would give me insight , it would influence me , but then I would feel like lonely and tired and unable to do anything and I couldn't understand why .

That's what we call depression .

Nothing was happening . But it took me time to . It took me I had to learn in order for me to realize that what I was doing in fact was different than what I assumed I was doing , which I assumed that reading and stuff , this insight that it was giving me was , was in fact progress .

So sounds like that is depression . Well , but based on what he's saying , if I'm hearing this correctly , you can correct me if I'm wrong but he was doing certain things which he thought that would bring a certain desired outcome , something that he was trying to achieve in his life .

Go fuck yourself .

At that time I wasn't even thinking about writing a book .

I'm just giving examples , Tom . It doesn't have to be that specific thing .

I'm saying in general to , to , to be clear , insight , like for me , is just that's just all it is Um . You know , I was learning , I was learning and what I wanted to do was learn Um .

But I found . I found that's it .

Yeah , it let . Well , the thing is , I was listening to myself , I was listening to my experiences and I was gathering from what I was , uh , what , from my living , what , what perhaps would you know , kind of um , what would interest me .

What perhaps would you know , kind of what would interest me .

Yes , and you compare it to running , which I really like . Well , you're a runner , so I had to use that . Because look , if you run a .

He's not a runner , but oh which I did .

I used to run a lot and I still do , sometimes 11 miles , right , but my relationship to . It is not a competitive one , okay , and I even had to learn that . So if you're running 100 miles and you're going nowhere , then yeah , like me , maybe you'll end up for a few months not running at all , and that's disappointing to me .

But that's been part of my learning experience .

Yeah and you want to give up , exactly . I think there is something intrinsically good about learning okay , so I'll say that . And there's something intrinsically good about being healthy , so I'll say that . It's just good . Tom , I don't think we're discussing that , but no , what we're discussing is getting over a rut .

And that . I think , requires maybe to know yourself a little bit better . I think maybe the interesting question is before how to get over a rut , right , maybe ? Why do we get into a rut in the first place ? And I'd love to hear what Harris has to say , since you did ask him the question of how did you get out of that depression ?

I just want to ask bottom , rock , bottom , would you say , you're out of your rut , as you call it right now ?

I'd say I have a close relationship with my creative flow right now .

So if you want the English version , I'll tell you yes .

Yes , actually , as a matter of fact . As a matter of fact , yes , I was in a rut for two weeks recently and I had to pull myself out of it and it was the strangest , most unusual , difficult , uh , sleep deprived experience that I could not explain , that I couldn't shed , I couldn't shake it , it uh , and it was actually the . I even wrote .

I have no idea . Nobody cares about you . How'd you get there ?

I kept going to , you know , I kept going to the cafe where I write okay and um , and one day I decided you know what were you looking for at that cafe ? let me finish . Yes , one day I decided I'm just going to go home , I would like to work from home . And what happened when I got home ? Um , it was like I . And what happened when I got home ?

Wait , are you telling us the answer how to get out of ?

depression . What I'm trying to say , what is true , the truth is , is that I have a routine that I follow and that routine usually works and then one day that routine did not work .

Well , I don't think it's actually . I don't think it actually works . I don't think it ever actually I don't think it actually works . I don't think it ever worked . I think you've been uh , running amok . Oh , harris has hand up . Why don't we let harris chime in ? This is gonna be the worst podcast I'm telling you it's gonna be the best .

It's gonna be the best it's actually the worst everybody's gonna be listening who everybody's gonna be listening .

This is a fire podcast so , in my opinion , the only way to get out of what I'm going to call a depression , because that's exactly what it is and what it sounds like .

Right and depression is two different things , right .

Everything you described is basically giving me the opinion of depression , because I've been through depression for most of my damn life . You need to find your motivation . Your motivation in my opinion right is writing this book , but the book cannot consume your life . You need to get out .

But I think so . What's more interesting is how did how did he he or anybody who's gotten into this depression right ? There's two things that I want to understand , right ? My first question is how do you not get into one right ? And the way tom is talking , he seems like he knows some things , but he doesn't . He doesn't .

Well , let's call it rock bottom . Okay , my rock bottom . Okay , how'd you get there ? How'd I get there ? It was COVID-19 . I was load from my job , basically let go , okay . Uh , I had to move back to new york . Uh , basically , I really didn't have anywhere to go at the time because covid19 risked people getting seriously ill , so I went into the shelter .

You didn't see this coming , Like I didn't . You know , Obviously , COVID-19, . I know you didn't see that coming .

When I was at the airport we started hearing the rumblings and of course our manager was saying oh , it's the Chinese people coming over and they're bringing the COVID-19 . And we didn't know that for sure . But they're saying you know , watch out yeah . They're saying watch out for the China virus . It's what everyone thought . But that happened .

Yeah , I would say my experience was a little opposite from yours , because I'm with my family , while you were sort of like removed in an outside position from your family . What do you think ?

I'm home , you know I have my parents I'd love to hear what john has to say have you ever experienced depression , john ? Or that doesn't affect you ? No , it doesn't affect me , is it ? Is there a reason why ?

no okay , okay , tom yeah , I'm sorry I'm putting up with these two hot tomatoes over here .

It wasn't by anyone's choice that I ended up in the shelter . We were in a pandemic .

But the choices that you made prior to that put you in . Did you have savings when ?

you lost your job . I don't know if rock bottom is the same .

You were living . Text to text , rock bottom might be different than a rut . Well , I think the rock bottom is an important thing . The point of this it might not .

Might not even exist . The point is , this is okay . You had all the similarities of depression . The problem was okay . You were in my opinion , you were letting your book consume you , correct ?

no , I couldn't explain it honestly and I still don't know if I can't explain how I got saying that a rut and uh and uh depression is the same thing , or well , a rut is a small version of depression um so okay , so I'll say this hold on , hold on .

Let me explain , let me go for a little bit .

All right , if you do that , I'm gonna leave oh , okay , yeah I love this .

This is what crazy makers do . They create the dramas , oh you won't .

We need a little drama with this podcast . Okay , this is becoming a little down . It's a timing podcast .

I'll say this . I'll say this I had reasons for not working at the cafe and I had expectations of what would happen if I saved my money and my time and I stayed home and I sort of mentally prepared myself for that . But what happened was the routine was actually . It was a good flow . It was important to me I would spend a few hours outside .

So in my opinion , you had a temporary depression episode .

Maybe he had an episode . Yeah , probably , yeah , probably .

If I talk to an expert maybe they'll say it . But what if it's been lasting for the last 20 years ? Then what would you say to that ?

Then he's had depression for all his damn life . Yeah , is this the first time you ever had this feeling ?

Yeah , of this magnitude , absolutely .

Of this magnitude . But was there a different magnitude ? It was bad .

It was low and it was bad .

But have you ever felt like these ?

feelings before . No See , here's the thing . I did mention that when I was younger I was curious about learning , and that's usually how I would deal with things , to deal with anxiety . I go and pick up something and I find the answers . I find the answers , but sometimes the answer can't just come , it just can't , it can't be delivered immediately .

I'm getting confused here . I would say that I'm not understanding at all what's going on .

I think Tom is .

I empathize with that , because you guys don't sit and write daily .

Your job is not to Okay there's where we're going with this .

Got it .

To write any . You guys are not writers , so you wouldn't understand what it feels to be depressed to write any . You guys are not writers , so you wouldn't understand what it feels to be depressed so are we going back to this book which , if we go into it .

Obviously , you know what I think is . What I think is relevant here is that when you live a life as a creative , you have to feel your way around oh , tommy hasn't been on the podcast for a while . What that means is you have to accept that sometimes routine is just not going to cut it .

What do you mean ? You live your life as a creative .

Yeah , Tom , you nap 80 hours a day .

Yeah , that's an assumption .

I don't think you should make assumptions .

Why are you saying that you live a life as a creative and we don't ?

But perhaps you do have creative moments , and I appreciate that he creates magic every day .

I would love to hear about them as a matter of fact , instead of writing it in a book , he's telling it to people .

I can already tell Aldor's going to love this episode . He damn right is yes , because you're basically telling him everyone at our company is not creative .

All the clues are coming together , you two have run amok . This guy . You've run amok , at least .

Remember .

You've run amok .

I'm going to repeat it for a third time you have run amok . Oh , hold up .

You've gone amok . How does ? It feel you just wait , because I'm going to defend Tully here for a minute . Have you ever seen Tully work ?

How would you define work ?

Have you ever been in the office when he's talking to a customer and closing a deal ?

And where is this going ? If I do know the answer , how will it help ?

Because if you've ever seen it , then you would know he does have creativity .

How do you feel about that , Tully ? How do you feel that he just dropped the C word on you ?

I feel that you don dropped the c word on you . I feel that and no , I do .

No , I do not feel that and no , I do not offended .

No , no , no no , no , I do not mean cunt .

Do you feel offended that you're being called creative , even because then it would associate you with tom , or no ?

me . Yeah , no , I feel I . I feel not that I actually feel offended . Yeah , let's get the record straight . Yeah , I definitely find it funny that Tom continues to have this ploy that he's a creative and he lives a particular lifestyle , that he does something different than the average person does . That I'm not really understanding .

Well , that's part of the question that I'm interested in is this whole thing , this narrative that we write for ourselves , this creative persona that he created for himself . He thinks that this is going to make him happy , but I disagree with that , because the way he thinks he's going to get there , it's not .

Right like , like , like , uh like . The results show for themselves , and those are existent , regardless of how you feel about the situation . Right Like , the actions lead you to seeing something like in a particular way . So I'm not even thinking that necessarily . Is you thinking this ? It's you seeing what's happening and then making a conclusion .

Well , yeah , based on Tom's book that he's been writing for three years , that we've never seen .

Yeah , but it's four years , like on and off Someone who's writing a book or someone who's doing sales Tom's book that he's been writing for three years , that we've never seen Four years On and off . Someone who's writing a book , someone , who's doing sales , someone who's doing plumbing , someone who's doing something else ?

Eating all day and drinking unlimited coffees .

With green hair . Everything can be done with creativity and , like everyone , like anyone is , is , I guess , so-called like how would you define creativity so ?

would you say that totally ? Would you say that creativity is just a another word for bullshitter ?

what I want to know is what I want to know from totally is how do you define ?

creativity . Talk in the way that , like anyone needs , like anyone that needs to talk in the way that anyone needs , anyone that needs to tell others that they're creative . They are not creative .

Okay , that was a great quote . I've written one of yours down and maybe I won't add it to my phone .

I have to ask a question . Can you at least tell us this ? What is this ?

book about . I'm writing a memoir . Harris , there you go , and when you get that facial expression from somebody , what is this book ? About I'm writing a memoir , harris , that's it . There you go and see when you get that facial expression from somebody , when you tell them what you're doing then you understand where you stand .

You understand because they don't understand what you said .

So you're writing about your life , correct ? I better not be in that damn book .

You're the main character .

Hold on .

You're the love of main character . Hold on .

Hold on one second , guys . I understand the reason .

This is a non-existent book .

When you tell somebody who is blocked as a creative , who is a blocked creative , that you're interested in creativity . It threatens them . It threatens their existence .

I'm not threatened right now . Harris' understanding of life . I think it's people who talk about creativity and think that they're creative and try to let others know that they're doing something creative , I think they're offended because they're actually not creative .

How do you define your creativity ?

And they're not getting the feedback from the outside world to validate that they're actually creative . I think you're just babbling here .

You're yapping .

You know what you're yapping about .

You're getting defensive right now you're yapping about , your favorite thing to do is yap about people just do what people think he's getting defensive . I'm used to this but you won't answer to a question . You won't allow me to pose a question to you , which is how are you creative and what do you think is creative ?

what I'm saying .

What I would like to know is what creativity is .

It's absolutely nothing , it's everything you're writing a new game of thrones creativity is creating .

Yeah , I just took a shit .

Yeah , yeah , okay , so in what relationship do you have to that action at all ? Well , I mean like when do you create ? When was the last time you created something ?

I create . I mean , I'm creating stuff right now .

You're creating by what ? By speaking . So you're being an art . You're being an art like Tommy .

Oh shit . Okay , great .

I appreciate that I'm looking at your body language .

I'm looking at how you Are you being like Tommy Me ? Yeah ?

He just said you're being like .

Tommy .

He's being a pond turtle the way I can see him right now is he's ?

Yeah , he's poking up his head here and there . What the hell is a pond turtle ?

A turtle that swims in a pond , like the one I saw yesterday , spokes up his head . He's like , hey , the day is over , how's everybody doing ? And then he just drops back in . Oh shit .

What kind of mushrooms were you on you ?

spoke to him right , I think Karis is a blocked creative , so this is an appropriate topic , because you speak in ways that are comedic and funny and you wait for , you're a kind of silent observer , and then you just pop in and you , you've got something funny creativity that is , I think I could be a comedian right now I think you already are .

I don't think so .

I think we should put me on a stage and let everyone okay , yeah , what do you ?

think we're doing right now ?

I'm hearing things right now , no , but I think you should put me a book me a night in new york city , man , yeah nobody's coming , nobody's gonna go there yeah , they are just me , mike Nike actually this podcast is creative , so totally , you didn't even have that in mind really wow , totally so dumb .

Yeah , I know boo , this man , this creative thing . So let me ask you where , where ?

yeah , you are totally where . In terms of where , in terms of creativity , does this podcast exist ?

wait , we're switching the topic For you when , in terms of creativity , does this podcast exist ? I'm not sure what that means .

Yeah , where do they link ? Where's the link here for you For ?

what ? On a scale of 1 to 10 in creativity , how creative is this podcast ? No , that's not what I'm asking . No , that's not what I'm asking what ?

are you asking what I'm in any way creative doing this podcast ? Where does it exist for you in your mind ?

You would have to define creativity . I'm not sure what that means . Where does it exist in your mind ?

Correct . Why do you think I listen to this podcast ? Because I like to learn . I value learning . I value creativity .

What you guys have come up with the best podcast in the world what you guys have come up with .

The best podcast in the world , right ? What you guys have come up with is a creative thing to sit and talk about things in real life . I think it's meaningful , I think it's a creative thing . So this , in fact , it exists in a creative realm .

But that's creative .

to you it doesn't mean anybody else actually cares about it . It's generally in general . It is a creative thing . I was picking up rocks creatively .

I think for Tommy that's creativity for him .

Were you making something with those rocks ?

He was eating them . Okay , so that was it .

So you know here , actually , my roommate . He came up with a really good example . He was teaching a philosophy class . He's a professor in Turkey . He was talking about the raisins sort of cycle , like where it has come from . It's come from India or wherever it's come from .

Tom , you remember when Conor McGregor said to Nate Diaz what he said ?

no , but um , I do remember an old , I do remember an old joke he said .

What did he say ? Give me my coffee . Something like that . I understood it . Okay , I'll take it fine . Okay , something you said to me earlier this week , something like that I understood it Okay . I'll take it Fine . Okay , toby . Yeah , something you said to me earlier this week .

You heard , mike , are you done babbling or are you still trying to filibuster this bullshit ? Totally , you heard .

Yes , I hear you . Is that what's happening to Tom ? The woke mind virus is taking over his brain , this whole creativity train that he's on , this whole thing that he created for himself 100% .

Guys , all I can say is this my current life and my ideal life have lately been in conflict . Which ones , my current life and my ideal life , have been in conflict ?

Do you ?

know why or not , I found myself at times wanting things that I cannot have and feeling in conflict with my current self , with my current experience , because I like to fantasize about things that I really can't have .

So you're saying you're not living in reality .

Okay , fair enough in some ways , I am in conflict with not living in reality . Yeah , but uh , who do you blame it on ? It's not about blame , it's about being blocked . It's about who's blocking you blame it's about being blocked ?

Who's ?

blocking you why ?

Because it makes me feel Democrats , or Republicans .

It makes me feel , it gives me a shot of , you know , of kind of pleasure to think about something that I might be able to get but I don't need , because it's outside of my concerns . It's outside of what I actually do need , which is to continue working and growing as a creative .

Tommy has created these ideas for himself . It can be a fucking car .

It can be money , it can be influence , it can be you know , it can be fame , it can be a lot of things . Ideals they can easily destroy pursuit . And the question is what are your goals and how do you , you know , find a way to ?

that's not the question are you writing this book to get famous ?

and make your and make your life a little bit better today because it's too egotistical to sit and do nothing , because you just said fame .

So I'm wondering is this memoir of yours about fame ?

no , I , I just explained it , harrison . If you were listening , you would understand I'm saying , I'm saying that that okay . So let me explain so today , living today , if you're not doing so well and you're in a rut , what can you do for yourself ? Today is the question you should be asking yourself . And what can you do , and what ?

Tom didn't answer the question .

Which question ?

If you're in a rut , like , for example . His original question is that , if you're in a rut , how do you get out of the rut ? I just realized that he answered the question .

It took 20 minutes . You know what it is . Keep going deeper into the rut .

Become a creative . No , he actually answered it . He did . How long have we been recording 30 ? It'll take you 30 minutes . If you listen to this podcast for 30 minutes , you'll realize you're not really the rut okay , guys , finishing thoughts should we go eat pizza right now alright , guys , that's it .

I'm fucking done .

I'm fucking done .

I am fucking Mark my words . I am fucking , I'm fucking done , goodbye .

See you later . Thank you very much . I'm going home to See you later . Thank you , tom , for visiting .

And sharing your thoughts . You're taking this too seriously . Dude Yo listen . You're taking this too seriously . What the hell just happened . Where is this ?

mofo going . I'd like to celebrate this moment .

I'd like to celebrate this moment . I'd like to celebrate this moment .

We had the first walk off on our podcast yeah , on behalf of Tom . This is what just happened .

Mr Madison , what you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard . At no point in your rambling , incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought . Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it . I award you no points , and may God have mercy on your soul .

That's right , tom . May God have mercy on your soul . That's right , tom . May God have mercy on your soul . So what do you think , harris ? I'm confused why the hell he took it so personal . I just stormed off man . Well , I think he just said he's not in the rut anymore and when Anatoly pointed that out , he left .

I think , tom is not really liking . Tom was in the rut anymore . I went and it totally pointed that out . He , he left . I Think Tom is not really . I'm saying if you listen to this podcast for 30 minutes , you'll realize yeah , the thing is , tom , he was saying a lot of stuff .

Tom has a very specific strategy . He's going to throw a lot of words at you in an attempt to confuse you , for you just to nod your head and act like you understand . But you don't understand a word he's saying .

And then he leaves .

And then , when there's a realization of that , he leaves . No , he'll point out , that's what happened . So if you said something like Tom , that shit was woke , he would've stayed why didn't you say that ? Yeah , we asked you . What do you think you should've been like yo , tom ? That makes a lot of sense . That makes a lot of sense . You got a good point .

No , I feel like he wants to be the smartest man in the room . You know what I mean .

Well , I mean listen , we can't speak for him but we could definitely .

I mean the moment I pointed something out , he goes you just don't understand creativity oh , I think that's the whole point .

When you use those kind of words , you make it like , oh , you're kind of more in the offensive thing , like you just don't understand , you know , which is very everyone's creative in their own damn way , in my opinion yeah , but the thing is , creativity doesn't mean shit . Nope , who cares if you're creative or not . You got a life to live , you know .

So , Mike , you would know this . Is he really writing the book ?

His book of three years ? I have no idea , but if I was to take a wild guess , probably not , I don't think he's writing the book that's like 3 years right 4 . He said alright , so you guys want to discuss the question now that Tom has left the room .

The book mountain virus after all this , can you remind me what the question was ?

well , I think the question is it's around rock bottom . How do we get there ? Why do we get there ? How do we get out of it ? That's like you know , three questions in one . Why do people get into this ? Probably ?

I'd say most of the time they get themselves into it .

And how do you get yourself into this ? Because you're not going to , obviously nobody's going to say you know what ? I want to suffer as much as possible . I want to hit rock bottom .

I guess several things have to happen in your life to get to that point . It's different for everyone . What stuff that is ? Like me , I guess . I lost my job , Became homeless , Okay , and basically at the point almost gave up . Like I said , it's different for everybody . Right , it can happen .

Several things happen when you say you almost gave up , like what does that look like ? What does that mean ?

It means I didn't want to fight anymore . You know I didn't want to . You felt defeated , yeah .

Completely . You wanted to give up , like you had no desire to keep on pushing forward .

Yeah , it was out of my . I don't want to say reach , I guess out of my sight . I'm not sure what that means .

I couldn't see a future past the point I was currently at . So you were in such a depression that you had no desire to keep pushing forward . Yeah , why do you think that was pushing forward ? Yeah , why do ?

you think that was Because I was in a shelter with a bunch of people that I was nothing like .

But , like the question to me is right , maybe totally can chime in , or John , because he's been , he's been , he's been very quiet , but he's been saying a lot .

It turned into my mind that maybe I belonged here you know what I'm saying . Maybe I deserve this . Oh , this is the feeling that you felt Like after , During , During . I was there oh during and after . Well , after I got out , it kind of went away because life started to get a little back to normal , but still difficult .

But and why did you feel like that you deserve to be there ? Why did you come up with that conclusion ?

You know , I was just there . It got past a couple months and I heard stories of other people that were there and all of them basically did shit that they deserve to be there . So in my mind I'm like maybe I fucking did too .

But did you feel like you were doing a lot of stupid stuff and making mistakes in retrospect ? In the moment I don't think you were like , oh , this is a terrible idea , let me go do it right when I was in there , I'd say I became a person that really nobody recognized while I was in there .

Right , I blended in with my surroundings . Okay , I became how do I put it ? A G , as some people call it , a wannabe G . You acted tough , yes , what you had to do , pretending it was a fight for survival .

Okay , how did you know this ? Like this is the rules of engagement .

Well , there's a lot of violence in New York City shelters . It's a major problem , one of the most dangerous shelter systems in America . You have gangs , different shit , people coming out of prison that can't go home because there's felons that live in their house . They go there .

No , oh , you wouldn't , okay , oh you want to .

No .

Okay .

Okay . So I got to a point where I went down Mm-hmm and I didn't feel like I could pull myself out Mm-hmm . But I had family members , friends they keep telling me to push , push , this is not the end of the road . For you , there's light at the end of the tunnel , mm-hmm . And for you , uh , there's light at the end of the tunnel .

like what is he just up there watching , having a good time , yeah , while you're suffering , yeah , okay when , harris , could you , um , could you like , act out what it was like being like a g , like like ?

you wore a do-rag or no ? Fuck you man , word by word what ?

what would you do , though ? Like what ? What would your like ? What's the life of a g like ?

a do-rag , I've had to fight .

Okay , in there it's fight or be prey basically yeah , but did you have any like lines like no , there was no lines , it was basically just violent so if someone said something to you , what would you tell him back ? He would just tell him he would eat him no you can't .

If someone said something to you , yeah , like crossed a line , you had to stand your ground , and you'd be like say that to my fucking face .

No , but like can you say it in the same way that you would say it in the shelter ?

I'm telling you right now If someone said to me something that crossed the line , say that to my fucking face . We can either go at it right here or do it away from the fucking cameras in the bathroom and fucking fight it out right now .

And you've done this ? How many ?

times , several times , how many times have you ?

What did they say to you to get you to this thing ?

Across the line , like what A lot of times it'd be . People observe certain things , like if you're on the phone with someone . At the time I had a girlfriend , liar . What was his name ? The fuck you at the time she , okay . We'd video chat and someone came up to me and said something that crossed the line with her .

That was the one time I went .

I went swinging where you started swinging . Right away he texted me . I came running into the fucking dorm and just went at him . Uh , just fucking went at him and uh , it just broke out .

Uh , his boys jumped in , my friends jumped in , uh , well , you guys , you had friends over there in the thing I did .

They were all hardworking guys that all didn't belong there , but COVID happened .

They got kicked out of their apartments .

We stayed together . Anyway , their friends started jumping in , my friends started jumping in . It just broke out until what they call the shelter police . They're literally called police for the shelter system in New York City .

So you lived the life of a G .

For a short time . Yes , I had a black eye . Everyone was a little fucked up .

You got it painted on before you went in . I ended up with a black guy . The guy I was fighting had a a little fucked up . You got it painted on before you went in .

Sure fuck you , dude . I ended up with a black guy the guy .

I was fighting had a busted up lip .

The guy he's already lying , the guy I busted , the guy I was fighting had a busted up lip , a little cut , but that could have turned even worse , basically . So that could have turned even worse , basically .

So how many fights did ?

you get into . While you were in the system , knives came out , shit like that , knives . Yeah , they threw a knife at you . No , oh , I said it could have ended like that . Oh , okay , okay , I was in three altercations and you lost all three . No , because a lot of times it turned into friends jumping in .

Oh , so my friends would jump in the person's friends I'm fighting would jump in .

It just turned into a group fight .

Would you guys fight in the Keddie pool typically ? What is wrong with you ? I thought you had an inflatable pool .

There was like 5 dorms In this shelter , okay , and each dorm , I'd say , would house 75 men Did you have a nickname Like Harry Harris or like no ? Everyone in there called me Shoes . No one Shoes he had no shoes , shoes , shoes , the Roos Shoes .

How many people did you share your bed with ? Fuck you , dude , all of shoes , the ruse . How many people did you share your bed with ? Fuck you all of the guys fuck you .

But uh , you know , it was just a very violent place . Things could pop off .

Did you have a shank and didn't you pillow ?

I had a shank underneath my locker actually your locker .

You stayed in a YMCA . No , each shelter had a locker underneath my locker actually your locker ? Wait , you stayed in a YMCA .

No , what ? It's all a lie . Each shelter had a locker .

That's crazy . What's your combination ?

Each section of the dorm had about , I'd say , 10 beds set up next to each other .

Why did you make ?

the shank out of it . I stole someone else's locker after they left the shelter and I made a wall against my around my bed . I had a wall next to mine in the window my bed and I built the wall that was brent's .

Don't say build the wall , I'm gonna leave yeah , have some respect please , please , that's offensive right , okay if we were at the shelter , we would go in the kiddie pool right now naked .

There's no kiddie pool . We now Naked .

There's no kiddie pool . We had like somewhat of a yard Right it was .

This was in a hotel . No , this was in the Trump Tower .

This was at the drama club this place . You can look it up . It's called Schwartz Assessment Center .

Schwartz , you had a barbecue in the yard .

No , we did not . No , barbie .

No , we did not . No , barbie , no , what kind of amenities did you guys have ?

There was a lot of drugs in there .

Was there housekeeping service ? They would come and clean your bed every day . No , okay .

They do bed checks . It was literally like a fucking prison . They do bed checks . Basically , you had to stand at your bed , make sure you were there , and if you're not there you could lose your bed . Like a military thing , it's more like a jail . They come three times a day .

Did you get one phone call ? Huh , did you get one phone call ?

No Wait , who comes three times a day ?

There's employees at the shelter that came to make sure you were at your bed . If not , you would lose your bed and someone else would take it . They would check this three times a day three times at night . Yeah , oh , at night okay eight o'clock , ten o'clock and 2 30 am okay , so okay , it was very , you were like a bandana you liked it around your knee .

Green , oh yeah , the fake Green oh the fake guy , yeah , how would you stop it ?

Green Green had my back wait , I thought he was .

You know him from Fairlawn no Green .

I met in the shelter Jungle the Jungle . Jungle Beats I'll pull him up right now .

Jungle Juice , did you Jungle , the jungle Jungle beats . I'll pull them up right now . Jungle juice , did you ever fight ? In your underwear only ?

What is wrong with ?

you .

Probably yes .

No , okay , alright , harris , listen , if this is the made up story you're going with , I like it . Tell up the made up stories right now .

Sure , fuck you . Okay , let me see when is he at what ?

are you going to call him now to verify his story ? No oh , get him a microphone Green Green , like green thumb . He's a gardener . Where's Jungle ? Harris , stop moaning over there Anyway while Harris is trying to make up a fake contact he's getting on Google Maps . So , john , do you believe that he had rock bottom in that time in his life ? Yes , you did .

for I think I kind of hid everything from John . Well , I didn't know until later . Yeah , he didn't know until he met Green , because at that point I guess we both kind of spilled the beans to him . But you FaceTimed me during that , right ? Yeah , I did , but I didn't show you the dorms .

Yeah , but I think that these rock bottoms are fake news .

Fuck you . In what sense Tully fake news ? In what sense Tully what ? In what sense ?

Well , because some of them we were talking about earlier in the week . But the rock bottoms are like what you potentially define as a shitty situation for the person who you are at the moment .

Your imagination tells you that , like that , like that might be what rock bottom would look like so how does a person like , uh , maybe harris hasn't reached a turning point where he wants to live his life a different way , or you know , or maybe he has , I don't know , the jury's out on that . But how does somebody change ?

their lives like I . I don't think it can be done from the motivation of the rock bottom , because that rock bottom is a painful place and , like we were speaking earlier in the week about desperation , yeah , the if . If you're in that place , you're a very desperate person and that desperate .

They happen in multiple areas and multiple facets of life .

That might have been his rock bottom , with one level , one aspect of his life , but not all but but it's also like it's your rock bottom is again what you can imagine , right , like , and like where you are at in life , like like for somebody , hitting rock bottom might be like losing all their money or losing their company .

So you think I have another rock bottom coming .

I'm going to make it .

You're going to help them get there faster , right ?

yes , I , I , I don't know yet . Like I said , I don't know yet . You could , you could not with your green hair .

Is this what you've been trying to reroute my brain to level up ?

Well , I mean , we're trying to make an attempt to educate you , but you're very difficult to teach , but so is everybody else .

So how does someone right , like what you're saying , okay , if it's not rock bottom . How does someone what you're saying sounds to me at least like how does someone change their life if , the way I see it , right , just generally , uh , people are like they're not happy with a lot of things and a lot of times they blame it on external things .

Yeah , but I don't think it's an all of a sudden thing , because I think that there's a lot of things that have to happen in order for you to feel this way . But yeah , I mean , like I think it's a long , grueling process and I think it's very difficult for these kind of changes to happen .

Yeah , but again you're describing something very complicated and advanced .

Well , all of these things are very complicated and advanced , but you don't jump from being ignorant about so many things . Well , no that's exactly why you use pain . Pain doesn't require education .

Right , but is there a point where the pain that's why I I keep using this like understanding a concept of rock bottom , because there comes a point where you've endured enough pain and you can you finally say like yo , I cannot keep doing things this way , and I think that's the rock bottom when you finally fire yourself , you finally humble yourself and you're

a turn . There's no such thing as that .

There's no one incident it wasn't one incident , but it was one point in time that you actually did shift . It took many things to get there , yeah , but why was that one incident , the one that you did it ?

yes , yeah , I don't think it's because of that one incident . I think it's in a accumulation 100 .

I agree it's accumulation , but why , at that point in time , did you make the change ?

well , because , well , because it was then too much , like , the accumulation of what's going on becomes too much , and one of those things come into play , like pain , or fear , or depression .

Okay , all right .

I think the more complicated one , the more difficult one for most people is to be able to understand what's happening and be able to take your own control of things , and for you to basically do what you want to do in life based on what you see and what you understand , and you actually have control over that .

You sounds to me like you have a problem with this , uh , rock bottom thing . You don't like that , the emphasis that's being placed on it yeah , I want to read some stuff that elder said .

He said rock bottoms are closely tied um to our attachments . Right , which makes sense like whatever is important to you , whatever you value , wherever that you're at , those rock bottoms will be um associated there , right ?

That's why the last action spilled over and you so-called reached the rock bottom yeah , no , I understand that it's going to take a lot to get there and and I think there's my understanding is that there's rock bottoms and different things right , you may have a like , a attachment to a job and to making a living , a certain financial lifestyle , and until you

There's a bunch of not it like to the person who's not thinking about that or even know that , like this kind of stuff is important or or even exist , like that's not even in their rock bottom cards yet right , but I think that once they level up , those rock bottoms will happen as they like , continue to level , to level up and no longer okay , like the worry

Have you ever gone through that realization ?

What the rich realization ?

that money's not everything , yeah , of course yeah , you're not buying it , harris , no , all right , tell us , tell us , why you feel that way explain , tell them life is easier with money .

No worries , I told you this . Not having to worry about paying the bills , Not having to worry about mortgages rent Okay . Without money you can't do shit in this world , Jack shit . Right , everything requires money .

I think it depends , right . So , first , first off , if you're in a position , like you are probably probably right , where you're not able to keep to to , uh , to provide yourself currently with your like , what you call like your needs , then , yes , the most important thing for that individual is money , right ?

I don't think John is buying it .

John , what's your opinion on this man ? What do you think , john ? I think you're full of shit . You don't think money .

You don't agree with me money face the mic , guys , so we can hear you you don't agree with me Money .

Face the mic , guys , so we can hear you . You don't agree with me ? Money makes everything .

Sometimes Easier Sometimes .

You got your money bro .

You dig , it is .

Yeah , you can't do shit in this world without the money , man .

How much do you ? Need to do shit , you need a decent living right , you have to put a number on it . In Nebraska you can buy a house for $25,000 . That's right , $25,000 . In New . York , you can't even buy a pair of underwear for $25,000 .

Give us your four pin numbers right now .

How much money has this stuff gone A year ? What ?

How much money do I need to make a year to be ?

comfortable , whatever .

I need to be able to pay rent and have money left over to have a bit of fun . Do you pay rent ?

He's a deadbeat and he has a wife and two kids .

No , fuck you , you . No , I don't .

I live with my dad .

And a boyfriend .

I need to be able to move out , be able to support myself .

Give us a number , since you're a mathematician .

Yeah , what are we talking about ?

Let's say Starting out .

I'm just asking what do you need ?

for this . Just give us a number , save some numbers To not have any worries .

Yeah , stop . What do you need for ?

this . Just give us a number , save some numbers To not have any worries . Yeah , stop it voting .

In my opinion , things will get easier once you reach near the six-figure mark .

Near yeah , okay , so like $80,000 , $90,000 a year , yeah , that makes a little thing easier .

And then when you reach the six-figure mark .

You ain't got no worries left , man , okay . So all you need to reach is six figures , and that's it . You think that you're going to be happy .

You're good after that ? Yeah , you know $100,000 , $150,000 a year . You know everything's peachy . $200,000 a year , that's even better . Keep going up and up and up . Right , are you happy totally ?

he looks upset well , well , I mean , I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying money makes everything go easier , right once you , if you reach the , the six-figure mark well , like it'll make some some things easier , like you don't have to worry about your next meal , exactly right , for example . But you can live well .

Why the fuck am I going to Kadampa ? Well , you can .

As long as you , for example , work every day , you have a place to stay and your meals are covered . So like you don't have to worry about rent or food , so like you have some needs met .

Why the hell would I want to go to a good Tampa ? It's an example .

Yeah , then you don't have to worry about rent or or food .

That's not what I'm trying to do here . Okay , I'm not trying to become a monk . Well what are you trying to become ? I'm trying to have you become a rock star . I'm trying to be Enjoy life man , yeah , but don't enjoy life , man ?

Yeah , but what does that mean enjoy ?

life . Do shit right , like what Right now . Right , irish girls , that's one bro . You remember how much that shit cost us boy . I had a credit card bill of a thousand dollars at the end of that trip and I'm still paying that shit off . Okay , you are , yeah Damn , I still got like $300 on that shit , okay .

No worries , no , yeah , but can you go on vacation if you have anxiety ? Can you go on vacation if you have poor relationships with your family and friends ? Can you go on vacation if you're a piece of shit ? Oh , fuck you man . Like , how will you feel on vacation ? Do you think that you'll be able to enjoy vacation ?

I'm just giving you an example . Right like you have money but stimulants to get through the day .

So you're all whacked out . Where the hell did this come from ? I'm just giving you an example . You have money , but are you happy ? Can you be happy ? You could not worry about your next meal , or you can have some things , but you're not going to be able to enjoy those things .

Where did this come from , man ?

It's just an example .

Are you trying to say this is what I'm acting like right now ? Yes , you are .

You don't have the ability to make a lot of money right now .

Yes .

Let's use you for an example . Are you happy ?

I'm trying to depict you an example Changing the subject . I'm trying to depict you an example of somebody with money Right .

You're talking about someone with millions right now .

Whatever , however much , if you don't have health , if you don't have good relationships with your family or with your friends or the people around you , if you're not able to help others around you , if you're not able to influence your own life and other lives around you , what good is that money going to do ?

Yeah , that sucks , but when someone gets that money , it's up to them what the hell they do with it , how they treat people around them .

But before they get the money , they have to understand these concepts and they have to value them right . The worst thing , the worst thing that can happen to you , is you get money before you get these things .

I already proved . I don't change man .

You were a millionaire before .

No , I'm the same person Give me the money . Put the money in the bag .

Money ain't going to change who I am .

Is that a good person or a bad person ? A happy person A sad person .

How would money not change who you are ? I wouldn't change who I am .

Is that a good person or a bad person ? A happy person , a sad person ? How would that change who you are ?

evil person wouldn't change who I am I don't forget my roots . I don't forget that's not what I'm talking about you can throw money at at people who other people who are stupid . It's not gonna help them .

You might give them something that's for you right there , okay , thank you fuck you go fuck yourself , yeah right back yeah yeah , like I'm .

I'm not talking about you forgetting about others or stuff like that .

How did this go from being a piece of shit to money makes everything easier .

Well , I think money is a huge attachment , and I think attachments are a huge part of suffering .

I think everyone can agree that money does make everything easier .

No , I don't think everybody can agree .

Yeah , I mean that word .

Everything doesn't make everything easier . You can't live without easier .

Like some .

You can't live without it , dude .

It does make some things easier , better , right , but , like I said , you can't have the money . Without having the right head on your shoulders , without being the right person , like being humble , you'll never be able to enjoy the money .

you just , you can't know for sure , you just don't know you don't .

But people act like they definitely do . Right , right can you .

Maybe we can use an example of in times , maybe you could think back . You could think back when you wanted something very badly right . You had , like yo , I really want this bicycle . Or like I don't know , this girl or my entire childhood . Yeah , I don't want to hear about that .

Gay stuff Fuck you Fuck , you Go fuck yourself .

I just wanted a boyfriend .

Fuck you dude .

You wanted a boyfriend , was there ever ?

a situation in your life that you really wanted something and when you got that thing you're like you're actually the shit is pretty whack . It's not the excitement before the thing is actually bigger than the thing , like when you experience that , yeah , like wait when , when you were a kid , you experienced that every day . How about that ?

me a question when you were a kid for example , when you were like 11 or 12 or something , 13 . At that point you had a different outline . If I had this , if I had the sickest gaming PC , I would be so happy if I had the Playstation , like this or these games . Or someone gave me five thousand dollars because everybody had it . No , well or no .

On the East .

Coast , right that . And then food and then phone TV , this and that , internet , car insurance yeah , car insurance , like you're broke , right . So what he's talking about is like that will be good . I agree that that would be good , based on where he's at now .

It's an endless pit .

That person who makes 10 mil a year . There was a point in their lives where all they wanted for them to have everything would be an Xbox and be able to play it as much as you want .

Look at Bezos he's living the best fucking time of his fucking life we have no idea what you're talking about .

Can you please shut the fuck up ?

Thanks , how can you say that ? Take off his microphone right now .

Yeah , you're next . You're about to get Tommy'd . Fuck you . You have no idea what life that guy's living , so you definitely can't speak on it .

He's living a great life . He's on his yacht every other fucking year .

Harris is just bald . Harris .

You have no idea what kind of life he's living , just besides what you've seen on TV . He's got his wife .

He got divorced . He's got a hundred billion dollars , okay .

Yeah , you operate in a world where you think money will make you happy . I think if you put yourself in a position to continuously acquire money , I think eventually you'll disagree or you'll die before realizing that it depends how dumb you are .

It's probably the second one .

Gotta get that money . Gotta get that money , gotta get that money .

John . What do you think , John ? I think ? Is it the money or is Harris an idiot ? Is this the second one ? Oh , we know Harris is an idiot , but Do you think Harris is right about what he's saying About the money ? That has huge attachment to it ?

No , he's all wrong .

Yo , you're not even making six figures .

so Harris , you're not making any money , you're just a temp . You're just a janitor .

I'm being paid John's the janitor . He blends in with the janitor .

Harris is just a fire hydrant .

The thing , is when you , what did he say ?

Harris is just a fire hydrant .

The thing is , with those things , with things , you're just a border wall . With items . You're never going to reach a point where they're going to provide you what you actually want . You'll always keep wanting the next big thing . It never ends . There's nothing wrong with that .

Oh , if you're an idiot , no there's nothing wrong with it , because if you can keep getting those things , it just means you're very , very successful In what In making money In business , so you'd rather have money but be unhappy for the rest of your life . It doesn't have to be unhappy . You find a nice lady , you settle down , that's it .

How was your last relationship ? He likes guys .

John , would you shut the ?

hell up .

Sure , if you want , we'll pay for the operation and get you trans , fuck you dude , I already paid for it .

Fuck you . How was your last ? He's been saving up for this .

Fuck you . How was your last relationship , harris ? Fuck you , say it , say it , go ahead . What do you mean ? How was your last relationship ?

Was I right .

With your mom . Oh shit , come on , stop lying now , just because you're on air Don't be a liar . What are you talking about ? You know what I'm talking about With your mom .

With your last girlfriend . What me giving her money right now ?

oh , not that , but everything about it . You had a bad relationship .

No , it wasn't that bad . I mean sure we got into arguments we couldn't really you know and you do .

You think that if you had money you guys wouldn't get into those arguments it wasn't really about the money , no , okay but you said you love , said you love her . You never felt like this way about her . And if you had the money , it still wouldn't help . So what are you going to do ? Are you going to buy her ?

No , what the hell wrong with you ? So what are you going to do If money solves most problems .

I think you said maybe most or all . What are you going to do If things don't work out , you move on , man . But you said this is the love of your life . You never felt like this about somebody .

We're going to see if we can work things out . If not , it's time to move the fuck on and find a new lady , that's it .

I've realized over the last few weeks that in this kind of situation Harris is a little bit smarter than what he's saying . I think he's just pretending .

Pretending to be an idiot . Yeah , right now I think he's a real idiot .

You shouldn't be talking . You're a real idiot too .

Real life .

I know you are , but what am I ?

Yo you're a real idiot too . You gotta admit that we both are .

So far I haven't heard anything from John , so maybe John will share some of his stupid experiences .

Share some of his stupid experiences . That Share some of your stupid experiences .

That he's made a mistake , besides getting to know you , it started 20 years . I was about to say .

It was a dark , dark day . It was raining that day .

John started touching me .

And then Harris took me to the boys' bathroom and I'm like stop .

John is very inappropriate . He tried putting something in my drink , man .

He tried to roof you in third grade .

Yeah , no first grade First grade okay , Harris tried to test me .

He put something in my juice box .

Harris tried to test me in my no-no place , so , john , do you think that money is going to solve all your problems ? Not all , but some it's like what he said about the meals and all that stuff so there's like this totally was referencing maslow's hierarchy pyramid of uh needs something like that , but it's like food , shelter , right , right .

like vacation , like that , yeah , like here I I I'll tell you what it says here .

Like okay , matt's heart , I'm . Hierarchy of needs . It says , uh , physiological needs , this is the very bottom of the barrel . Okay , okay , breathing , food , water , shelter , clothing , sleep Right , that's what we need .

Without those things until you achieve that level , you can't progress and live a better quality of life .

This pyramid is a quality of life pyramid .

Okay , Second step , level two Health , employment , property , family , social ability .

Step two . John , do you have your health ? I mean Harry's Do you have your health ? No , I don't have my health . No , you don't have your health .

No , he has no lungs .

Do you have financial stability ? Of course he does . No , you have property .

Then why is that the fucking second step , dude ?

Because the next ones are significantly harder . What's the third one ?

The second step should be the first step , dude .

Third step , once you have these two , step number three is love and belonging , which is friendship , family intimacy , sense of connection , being very in tune with these things and having a real strong development . Then there's step four self-esteem , okay , which is confidence , achievement , respect of others , the need to be a unique individual , um .

For for you , don't say . Don't say hot dog , because iris gets excited .

Oh don't worry . Oh , that's enough , baby . Self-esteem .

How much money can buy self-esteem if I made millions , I'd give john some . What the hell are you talking about ? You go to what if I ? If I made millions , I'd give John some money . John don't take it .

It's a trap . It's like Monopoly money .

I'll remember that .

Probably not , but yeah , you already forgot it .

Payback's a bitch .

Yeah Right , it can't buy self-esteem , it can't buy confidence . It's all fake shit .

Would you prefer to have fake friends , harrison , that you could buy them with money , or no ?

I already have an OG friend . That's all I fucking need , bro . Who's your OG ?

friend JC , but why would he stay friends with you if you become a rich guy ? Rich prick .

I wouldn't be a rich prick . I'd be sharing the wealth . You're already a poor prick .

I'd already be sharing the wealth .

Can I rob you ?

You shot in the goddamn head boy . Excellent , you got any goddamn mind , oh my God .

That's right .

Goddamn allergies , dude .

You don't have allergies .

Stop lying .

He's allergic to girls .

You couldn't buy money . You couldn't throw money at allergies , right Sure , you can Buy some .

Claritin bitch .

You want me to buy you Claritin . I can get some Claritin . Fine .

So get it . You can throw money at allergies . Call Claritin Eye drops . It doesn't work always . That's why I got prescription at the house boy .

So , Harris , what are you saying , John ? Anything you want to say to your friend here who is clearly delusional ? Money , money , money .

Harris , I'm going to rob you after this podcast . Okay , good luck with that boy . I'm going to rob you $2 .

I got more than $2 .

All right , fine , $3 . Do you think he's ? Do you think ?

he's . What do you think he's About his whole money thing ? Is it going to solve all his problems ? No , why is he so convinced about it , though ?

Because he just watches too much TV .

You're saying , his mind is like Play-Doh it's very easy to maneuver he doesn't have a mind .

There's nothing in there . I checked .

At least I don't sit on air conditioner all day , air conditioners , all day playing with my wiener .

At least I'm not going to have green hair .

I think people are starting to wonder about it . I think people want to know about the green hair .

Wait , who wouldn't want to sit on the air conditioner all day and play with their wiener ?

That sounds fine . What is wrong with you and get paid for it . I think that's a dream .

That's a dream Dude , I'm on it .

It sounds like John has the best job .

You want to sit on the rooftop showing people your wiener ? What ?

stop pretending like you don't know he does OnlyFans from the ACU with the pants .

So I'm sure people are wondering what this green hair is . I'm sure they are . I lost a bet that I could fast for three days and I had to dye my hair green and eyebrows green for two weeks did you tell John what happened that day or no ? I did . He was upset because he had faith in me .

No , but do you know what he did , or no ? He drank the coffee with sugar , right ?

No , I drank the coffee with sugar and I ate a 15 inch sub , but he owes you money right . I gave him the money .

He gave me 60 bucks . Okay , he was supposed to fast Monday , tuesday , wednesday and eat again on Thursday . Right , right and what's it called ? On Monday during lunchtime he couldn't even make it to lunch on Monday he couldn't make it to 11am .

He was already starving , he's like good man . I didn't make it past 11 .

He gave up the first half of the first day , which would have been just not eating lunch . He couldn't even make it that far and he went straight into Jersey Mike's and ate a 15-inch Italian sub sandwich which is meant for two to three people . This guy can't help himself with 15-inch .

Fuck you . All right , let me tell you this , all right .

Hold on . What was his punishment ? I think the green hair was just like we let you out of the bed , a negotiation .

I'm not saying what it is .

If he lost the bet , he was supposed to wear a dress for a week to work . He already does that anyway , probably Screw you dude and instead he lost the bet and we gave him a negotiation that he has to paint his eyebrows and his hair lime green , I want to point out that Eldar helped me with this negotiation .

Fuck that , put a month .

I would love to put a month I'll slap you across the face . So , Harris would $100 million .

Help you out with that bet and keeping your word With your green hair Would you become a man of your word . If you had that money , oh shit . Or you would just try to throw money at me .

Like a .

Totally .

I don't think that kind of money . I think it needs to be like $100 million to make you guys change your mind .

No , it's too late . You're doing it Friday , right ? Yeah , it's too late . You're doing it Friday right ?

yeah , no , he's doing it like early next week when Elder's back when does Elder come back ?

no , uh , john wants to be there , so it's gonna be Friday absolutely .

I think it's a Friday right yeah , it's gonna be Friday cause you wanna be there .

We're gonna decide when it's gonna be not you alright calm down anytime , so be prepared . I think John will make it if he wants to .

Oh , I'll make it .

Chee-wee-wee .

Chee-wee-wee . So it wasn't the coffee , it was the Jersey Mike's .

I had some coffee once . I said it was over , but they kept pushing me like , yeah , you can break it , whatever you want , go ahead .

Exactly . You don't have any self control or integrity . And why ? Do you keep hitting that vape , eldar , let me do it . You asked me , I told you no .

I'm not older , so first of all , right , yeah , okay . It's like you were totally like yeah , come to lunch , you don't got to eat nothing , you can smell it .

Nobody told you that .

Why did you just stay ? You totally did man .

I didn't tell you that Huh .

Why didn't you just stay ?

I was fucking starving , and the problem is I take meds that make me hungry , so when I'm doing work I can't really concentrate , so maybe it's better to not run your mouth and make promises you can't keep for even 10% of the time .

You're a bitch Boom .

That's not what your mama said last night she said exactly the same thing and I agreed . Me and Cheryl . Stop changing the subject .

Penny loves you .

You gotta relax , man no biting .

Stop trying to kiss the dog why are you putting your tongue out like that though ?

No biting Good girl . No biting .

So did you know this for a long time that he's a failure . That he's a bullshitter from New Jersey ? Oh , did you know his nickname ? That he's a bull from New Jersey ? That's fake news . And did you know that he actually is a bullshitter from ?

New Jersey , oh for sure , man for 20 years man .

So this is not the first time he's been . When I first met him .

He told me his name was John and he lied .

First grade dude . What's your name ? John Yo , shut up .

Put it back on man .

Stop yelling like an infant .

What's your name ? What are you doing ? What's your name , john ? What do you tell people your name is ?

I tell them your name is harris I tell them I'm the real slim shady oh , shut up .

When we , when you come to a party like the fourth of july , you kept saying oh , my name's harris . Why you want to be harris .

So bad man I think he was making a joke .

I don't know if you can harris is chill , it's just a joke . Do you understand jokes or no ?

that's not what your mama said .

No , she saw your wiener . I think she said that making a joke .

I don't know if you can .

Do you understand jokes or no ? That's not what your mama said . She saw your wiener .

I think she said it was a joke . Is that a joke ? What's ?

that one inch over there you have a one inch your chode .

Nah , that's why John can only go to the parlors , the parlors , yeah you know what I'm talking about . Can you explain the massage parlor ? I don't know what this man is talking about . Explain a little more .

Harris , they use a magnifying glass when they service you .

Fuck you , I'm not the one that has to go to the massage parlor .

They go , they see the two holes .

Oh , fuck you .

So , harris , obviously you're wrong about the money thing . I'm right about that but I think time , maybe this life or the next one you're gonna find out , or maybe a couple more than that depends how long , what's your pain tolerance and your thresholds for what are you doing , man ?

why are you taking pictures like a weirdo over there ? You see , this guy , I see him yeah .

They can't see me .

They can't see him . Yeah , so you disagree completely with Harris he doesn't disagree completely John .

I said sometimes , like what you said about the food , the shelter and all that Not having to worry about shit . Go on vacation , enjoy yourself a little bit yeah , but how are you ? Going to enjoy yourself . You're saying it's all about the money , right ? Money makes life easier With the 6K you said .

I never said 6K bro .

Yes , you did no Watch the replay .

No one ever said $6,000, .

John , I think you were fucking dumb . You said six figures .

Six figures . Six figures is not 6K . Six figures is 100K and up . Oh wow , You're good at math . What is wrong with you ? Six figures is not $6,000 . You said both Six figures is 100K and up Seven figures is what what ?

a million up how are you going to be a millionaire if you don't know how to count a million ? You fool . Six figures is a hundred there's no chance there's no chance for you to become a millionaire . There is a chance without doing something stupid , like you tried to do last week .

Fuck you what did he try to do last week ?

He tried to cut off his finger .

He was pretending that he was tough and he's going to cut off his finger .

Eldar was going to cut my finger off .

Eldar wasn't here last week Two weeks ago he was pretending that he was tough and that he's this big bad guy . Cut off your finger right now . I'm still going skydiving . I don't care what you guys say . You could be a little scaredy cat .

You're scared of pretty much everything , harris , and money's not going to help you with fear . Totally Anything you want to add to our good friend Harris here , final thoughts type of thing you had enough , right , yeah , man . Your brain is shutting down .

Tommy after Tommy , shit I have a lot . Of my patience is gone .

You have to yank one out twice after that speech from Tommy .

What is wrong with ?

you what the fuck ? Yeah , I would say my final thoughts are like on I'm not even sure what subject , but everything that we discussed is that , yeah , I would say that if you don't know something and you have the balls to ask , you'll probably be in a good place .

I know what you're hinting at . I'm not hinting at anything I don't think you know , anything but loud and clear . I don't think you know anything Loud and clear .

Yeah , I think the question is how do you develop that ability to I don't know ? Is it give up ? Fire yourself , say you don't know ? How do you get to that point ? Can you get to that point ? Is there a shortcut or not even shortcut , but is there a path to get there ?

those things . Well it's well . It's definitely a survival of the fittest type of scenario you think it's survival if you're like a , a weak donkey like harris , not to name any names like Harris .

Okay , yeah .

Harris with one R then , fuck you , not you . I said Harris with one R , is it more than one ?

R Harris , ryan Schuster , fuck you nobody said your name .

Yeah , not you , harris , just a different Harris you don't know no other Harris man he's also overweight too yeah , like , if you're , yeah , if you're gonna be that kind of weak prey , then you're gonna get like life will come at you .

But the question is , I guess the question it's not a question , I guess it's all your space on what you're saying . It's like , uh , that it is part of , like uh , survival of the fittest .

Well , the thing is , that like , like I feel like when we ask this kind of questions , it's like like I don't know what to say , like what can ?

you tell somebody to do .

I also don't know what to say , but there's like I feel like it's very hard to come up with an answer for this , because any answer that you give , you'll think that the answer is too complicated , because it is a complicated and difficult scenario and I don't think there needs to be an answer to this kind of stuff .

I don't think there's a thing like that , but I think at least what comes to my mind is you should suffer as much as possible , as fast as possible . Yeah , go test those theories that you believe in and don't hesitate , go in there with your head like bullet , like this bull here from New Jersey . Yeah , the faster you bullet , the faster you realize .

One thing I also just thought about Harris . He brought up an example before he was saying that Jeff Bezos is the man . Jeff Bezos is this right . Like , jeff Bezos is the man , jeff Bezos is this right . Let me just well actually I don't have my iPhone charging , but if we Googled Jeff Bezos net worth , what do you think we'll see ?

$100 billion , maybe $150 billion .

Okay , $200 billion , yeah , $200 billion right , 200 billion right . Nfl teams currently sell for between about like 4 billion and like 4 to like 6 billion dollar range . Right , there was just recently an NFL team for sale and Jeff Bezos was willing to offer the most amount of money for it .

And maybe we can ask Harry the answer to the question you're about to ask , right ?

What do you think happened when he offered the most ? The Washington Commanders , which were the Washington Redskins , were for sale and he offered the most amount of money for it and was willing to keep topping that because , like , he's in a position where , what , like , what's four billion ?

Fuck yourself , harris , I guess you can't . Money doesn't solve everything . Paris has a picture of Jeff in his wallet . Fuck yourself , harris , I guess you can't .

Money doesn't solve everything .

Harris has a picture of Jeff in his wallet Instead it went to somebody else who offered less , but the owners agreed to sell it to this person .

A like-minded individual , because he was a piece of shit .

Jeff Bezos .

They didn't want him in , he could have offered a double . He could have said like oh , you guys want six , I'll give you 12 . But the guy can't sell to them without , like , the approval of all the other owners .

Really , yeah , Jeff Bezos . Final guess how much is net worth ?

Nobody cares . He's broke as fuck . He's a loser from Poughkeepsie $211 billion .

Who cares about ?

that .

He could even buy a $4 billion .

team Hires has a tattoo of Jeff and his booty .

Yeah , if you get a tattoo of him , I'll pay $1,000 on it .

I'm good thanks $2,000 .

No $5,000 . That's a lot of money . You could buy a lot of hot dogs with that , fuck yeah .

From the stairs $ 5,000 cash .

Think about it , Don't say no . The offer does expire at the end of the day One . Two .

Shut up you throwing anything on that .

Me yeah , I'll throw 500 . That ain't nothing , bro .

Wait till we get older on it ?

Where does the tattoo have to be man .

On your face . Fuck yeah , Okay fine .

It's got to be right here .

Any other ideas ?

Yeah , yeah , you're right . Tully About that . If you're a piece of shit , nobody wants to deal with you , no matter how much money you got .

Nope , you can move some things around , you can buy something or whatever . Nope , you can move some things around , you can buy something or whatever . Yeah . But he wanted the football team . He couldn't even get that . Yeah , you know , yeah , even though he would have been the richest , older by like crazy amount X .

And I guess also another thing is like how did the people that for the that work for this you know , this guy right , all the people right , um , he's got 200 billion , but a lot of people that work for him they're complaining about salary , unfair wages , unfair treatment , have not having uh , certain you know humane things he's not in charge of amazon anymore .

I'm going to correct you there . He took care of the problems .

How did he take care of the problems ?

One of the employees emailed him about how Not enough .

Show us the email ? Yeah , please . I just read about this .

One of the employees talked about emailing him On TMZ After Wait , okay , she was on medical leave and she was not receiving part of her check . She complained about it , blah blah . She emailed jeff bezos , who was not the ceo at the time anymore , and he looked into it .

needless to say , it was fixed okay , one person out of a million , plus people that work for him .

Everyone's medical leave was fixed because it started a whole investigation into the handling of this .

Where'd you find this fake information ? Fakewikipediacom .

Fake news right , the woman actually talked about it .

Yeah , alright , but you know , like I said , harris , he's one of those people .

That is not taking his wealth or passing it down to family members . He is donating it .

Are you related to him ? Is that why you feel like you like him so much ?

No , so he's not such a piece of shit . He's donating all his money once he dies .

Okay , Sounds good . I don't think you can be not a piece of shit and be so wealthy while uh , you know .

So you're saying all these most of the rich building as a piece of shit .

I'm not sure if you can get there in such a way . That's gonna be like , uh , you know , honest , virtuous . I'm not sure if you understand when it comes to money , that's not important .

But overall , you know you got it yeah , but we all have our opinions , right absolutely , has absolutely opinions are like assholes Everybody got one . Don't use that . That belongs to the Schuster family man .

Oh yeah , you guys mean that I wouldn't in the 1400s , with Christopher Columbus came to America . Your mom said that .

No , my aunt , your aunt at Toey . No , Aunt Attoley , here is taking what my aunt used to say , what I told him . Excuses are like assholes , everyone has one the .

If you go on Wikipedia actually look up that quote , it is actually by Jeff , by Jeff Schuster , okay what are you talking ? About it says Jeff Schuster , yeah the creator of that quote yeah , go fuck yourself .

I think they go fuck yourself , go fuck yourself , fuck you you got your goddamn mind .

Get out your goddamn mind , boy .

All right , guys . Harris , final thought I hope you're not as dumb as you look .

That's the same . Okay , mom , I'm coming over to you .

I was just backing up on what Tully was saying . He said yo Harris is just pretending , so I'm hoping that he's accurate okay for a good one , for a good measure . All right guys , thank you . Thanks for watching .