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I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get tipsy. Hello LA, hello Burly.
We just finished episode two of supernatural.
We're trucking along, trucking
along, just working our way through. I liked the I think it was, was it hit? You're the film The film student. Was it Hitchcock that, like, wouldn't necessarily show the monster right away. Was more left mysterious. I liked they kind of took that angle this time. Yeah, yeah. We never really got a clear shot of the monster of this story, and that, that kind of added to the eeriness of the whole scene, in my opinion,
right? Yeah, and just hearing it, but not seeing the full thing,
yeah, yeah. I liked that, yeah. So before we dig into Episode Two, let's do a quick recap of last week's episode. Episode One,
yeah, so that one, two brothers, Sam and Dean Winchester, witness their mother's paranormal death as children and grow up trained to fight by a distraught father who wants nothing more than to hunt down the thing that killed his wife. Sam escapes to college to start a new normal life, supposedly normal life, but he, of course, gets pulled back in after Dean shows up on his doorstep to tell him their father's missing after going on a hunting trip. Quote, unquote,
yeah. And following the clues from an eerie phone message from him, the boys travel to a small town and encounter a vengeful spirit called the white woman, who then starts to haunt Sam. That's pretty much it. I
mean, I mean, there's more to it, but she didn't try to haunt them. True, she tried to get it. She did. She did. Bless her, can't blame her, right? Don't force yourself on people, though. True, woman in white, yeah, she
needs to settle down. They took care of her, though, yeah, they did
well. This week we have the episode called Windy Windigo,
Wendy to be confused with windingo. Yes,
I kept, we kept saying wendingo. There's not a second in there's only the first in Windigo. I just
really wanted it to
be windingo, right? Would you want to say? Because
it reminds me of, I forget what movie it is, but I think it's Meryl Streep, and it's like an Australian lady, and it's a true story. She's like a dingo stole my baby. A tinkle stole my baby. The Dingo Ate My Baby. Yeah.
So the episode opens up in Black Ridge Lost Creek, Colorado, with these three guys camping together. One of them gets out of the tent. I think he got out to go to go to the bathroom or something like that, and he's attacked by something we can't see. And of course, you know he was he was black, so he had to die first, because this is the early 2000s and that's just what happened in the horror trope those days. Thank you. Jordan Peele, right. Goodness. Anyway, next Corey Monteith is
then snatched from the tent. He, like pokes his head out to see what his friend is doing, and literally just gets snatched straight out of the tent. So the third guy is left there, and he had just finished filming, or he was in the middle of filming a video on his Blackberry. Those dude showed the BlackBerry phone, and he had to have it turned backwards in order to
record. I honestly don't remember the blackberries having the capabilities of videos, maybe
either, but that looked like a Blackberry. Yeah. But yeah. You remember we used to have to we didn't have the front facing cameras, and I missed that, because I always looked good in those selfies. And I do not like how I look in front facing selfies. I hate it, yeah, so, but I'm not good at like these phones these days are not friendly for you, right? Able to do that? Yeah, it's awkward.
Yeah, you can't find the button to take the picture back then the button was on the side of your phone, like a camera, right? It was easy to find anyway, that's my complaint of
the new phone. So anyways, he's filming a video basically talking about how everything's fine, yeah, just kind of an update, and he's just left there screaming and horror as his friend is like, ripped out of the tent, and they had turned off the light, and were like, turning off the light and try to pretend like nobody's home, like you're in a see through tent here. Just be on your way. Nobody's here. So then we cut to Sam, visiting his girlfriend's grave and apologizing for
everything. That had happened when her hand bursts out of the ground and grabs him like Stephen King's Carrie style, that iconic ending of Carrie, it was very much like that. It was really cool, and he's immediately woken up, because it turns out it was a dream. And
they are in the Impala. Dean is driving, and it turns out that after spending a week in Palo Alto looking for the thing that killed Jessica Sam and Dean are now on their way to the coordinates their father left in his journal, which just so happens to be Black Ridge, Colorado, where we had just seen the scene of the three guys tinting,
tinting. Camping,
they might have been tinting scary things do weird things to your body. Took you a second,
Okay, gotcha, I'm with you. I didn't,
I didn't mean to do that. You're right. It's camping. They get to Lost Creek Trail ranger station and meet Ranger Wilkinson. And originally they're trying to say they're two like environmental science college students who are there trying to do a paper or
whatever. And the Ranger immediately calls BS and mistakes them for friends of Haley Collins, who turns out to be a sister of one of the three guys who was camping, Tommy Collins, and that's who went missing, so that he thinks that they're like, friends of the family, basically, on the camping trip, Sam and Dean basically, are like, Oh, well, you say that he left a record of
when he would be back. If you could give us a copy of that, it'll ease Haley's mind, like they just play along with it, like, yeah, we're their friends, yeah? So if you'll give us that, it'll help us ease her mind so they basically get her address in that way and go to her house.
Yeah? Surely that wouldn't be happening these days with, you know, more privacy laws and whatnot,
one would hope, yeah, but you know that actor, oh, what's his name is, Rahul. He's like, in midnight mass and all that. I saw him, like, tweet that he was in a hotel room, and these two guys just walked in because they had told the front guest, front desk, sorry, front desk, that they were there to like, meet their cousin Raul or whatever, and they're just like, Oh yeah, it's this room. And just gave them a key. Oh, wow. I
bet that. I bet that person got fired, right? It should be, he was, like, it was, it
freaked him out. I was, yeah, really, not good, not good. Oh, wow. So just saying, Damn you. It might still happen today. That's scary, yeah.
But anyway, so like to know what hotel that was. I'm never going there, right? Oh,
so Sam and Dean go and visit Haley Tommy's sister, and she's telling them how this is out of the norm for him, that he's just been checking in every single day, and they haven't heard from him in almost 24 hours, and they're worried. And there's a little brother, his name's Ben, and he's like, yeah, like, he would not be doing this. Something is wrong. We don't care that. It's supposedly, you know, still trip time, and he's not supposed to be back for another couple of
days. Like, we know something's wrong here, right? And they show Sam and Dean the last video that Tommy sent through his BlackBerry before he disappeared and they could no longer get a hold of him. So Sam and Dean are basically like, we're gonna check this out. We're gonna see if we can find him. And Haley's Yeah, caddy. And it's like, well, we might see you out there.
Well. And, and she sent them. Sam asked her to, like, send him, her all those video chats, yes, right, yeah.
But before that, she was like, well, we might see you out there, because I hired a guy. Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah. She's like, I have a guide, and we're gonna go look for him ourselves. We're gonna go find him also.
Side night, side note, the little side note. Side note, the little brother. What's his name? Ben is a very young version of the new kid that's playing Han Solo.
He's not a young, young version of him. It's the same actor, right? Well, it's
the same way. I'm just saying you Google it younger than he is in Han Solo. Well, yeah. Or did Han Solo come out in the last couple years? I want to say because I remember it was before the pandemic, though, yes, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, farther back then, yeah. But I just remember it being a big deal that he was cast, and when we were watching it, I was like, he looked that face looks familiar. You kept saying that every time he was on the screen,
he really, who is that? I know that somebody got to the bottom of it, yeah, Alden eldritch or something like that. Yeah. Anyway, yeah. So
Ben is a Han Solo, which has a funny tie in, because when Sam and Dean went to her house and claimed to be Rangers, whenever they were like, Oh, we're gonna help. We're Rangers. Sam or not, Sam Dean was a ranger Ford and. And Sam was Ranger Hamill, which is obviously a nod to Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill from the Star Wars franchise. And then they walk in the room and talk to the guy who's gonna grow up to play Han Solo. Crazy. That's fun. I didn't put that together, yeah,
watching it. I put that together. Just now I've connected it. Yeah, I like it. Okay, so where was I? Oh, yeah. So she says that she's getting a guide. And then before they leave, Sam is like, Hey, can you send me all this shit? And she's like, Yeah, I will, no problem. So at first, Dean is saying he wants to go with them. Like, well, let's go meet them in the morning. They'll meet the guide. We'll take care of that. And Sam is kind of like, what are we doing here? Like, dad is
obviously not here. This is a waste of our time. Let's trails growing cold. Trail's growing colder by the minute. Yeah. And he's basically like, let's just leave. But he apparently changed his tune after he looked at the stuff Haley sent him, because they go to a bar, and Sam, all of a sudden, is pulling out all this research. He's like, I've got all this stuff. He's a college guy. He's really smart. I guess he managed to do that in the drive from the house to the
bar. And he found out that people go missing in Blackwater at regular intervals, to be specific, every 23 years. And when he's playing Tommy's last video, he slows it down, frame by frame, and you can see this shadow moving across the back of the tent that obviously something else was there, and it was moving fucking fast, yeah, because it was like three frames, boom, boom, boom, really
quick. So after they're looking through the research, they notice that there's a survivor of an alleged attack back in 1959 so 23 years prior, or not 23 because this was 2005 whatever 1959 is, what the year is here, we're going to stick with that. His name is Shaw, and they go visit him, and it's like an alleged bear attack. That's what everybody had come to the conclusion. Of it was what happened to Shaw and his family, is that there was a bear attack.
But while they're talking to him, the old man tells him that it was not a grizzly bear that attacked his family, because the creature attacked them in their cabin, and it didn't burst through the window. It didn't burst through the door. It unlocked the door and came in. And he said that the roar he heard from this creature was unlike anything that he's heard from any man or any animal. And he said that it moved super fast. I think he said it like moved like lightning or
something like that. And he asks Sam and Dean, do you know of any bear that can unlock doors? And I'm pretty sure he was not referencing bear grillis or David Harbor, I
wouldn't have been scared of those bears. Get
it? Them bears. Them. Bears can come in my cabin anytime. Next we're at the next morning, Sam and Dean is going to meet with Haley and Ben and their guide, Roy. And Roy is kind of a dick, yeah? Like he could have been nicer, is all I'm saying. Oh yeah.
Well, he wasn't that bad at first. He
was a bit of a, know it all, yeah, oh yeah. He didn't like it. Whenever they were trying to help find Tommy, he definitely didn't like it, like he was there to be the leader, and he did not want any sort of competition for that spot.
I made a note when we were watching it that Roy's secret sassy. He's secretly sassy, yes, like he did, it wasn't so much at first. But then when he, like, pops that bear trap, he's real pleased with himself, right?
He's like, ha, ha, ha, I know stuff. Blah, blah, blah, yeah. He was very sassy. That's what it is. Yeah, he wasn't so much a dick. He was just he was way more sassy, like, sassier than Sam, which is kind of hard to do in some of these episodes that we've seen so far, because Sam is pretty sassy, true. Uh. Haley also kind of is like, wait a minute, you're not dressed appropriately. You don't have
any provisions. And she waits until they're in the middle of the forest to say, Listen, I know you're not Rangers, so who are you? Yeah, what
did she say? She you're wearing jeans and combat boots, and what did Dean say
something about how he doesn't do shorts, that's right. And I made the sweetheart, sweetheart, yeah, or something. And I was sitting there thinking,
like they're that deep in the woods and she's got these teeny, tiny shorts on, she's gonna be coming out of there with poison ivy.
Yeah? She's crazy. Yeah, she was crazy, but she had her provisions.
Wow, yeah,
but yeah, she waited until they were the middle of the woods to address that they're lying about who they were as one does. Yeah, yes, as one does. Sam or not, Sam Dean assures her that everything's fine, and he. Peanut M, M, so it's like, okay, we're cool. We'll just keep going. It's fine.
She knows what those peanuts mean.
Melt in your mouth, not in your hand, right? Isn't that they're saying, Oh my god. Anyways, the group reaches the campsite, and they find these tents that are just like shredded, like it looks like Wolverine went to town on these tents. There's blood everywhere. She finds his bested up Blackberry, and there's like blood splooge on that we didn't see. We didn't see the blood splooge happen ladder. So we're still only one for our blood
splooge count. We still only have the blood splooge from the pilot episode so far, but obviously a blood splooge did occur, right? Like there's evidence. So they're looking through everything, and then they hear screams in the distance. It sounds like a person screaming for help. So they all run to investigate, and when they come back, because there was nothing there, all their shit is gone. So those provisions that were apparently super important gone.
Well, okay, she had her provisions, like on a big belt buckle thing, and it's like, when they got to the camp, she dramatically unbuckles it and drops it on the ground for no reason, no reason at all. So that was on her sometimes. Drama
is its own reason. La, okay, well, I
mean, not when you're in the woods and you could die without your provision. Well,
this is true, but yeah, they left all their shit. Whenever they went running to investigate, what the rut, what the yelling was, there's nothing there. They came back. All their stuff's gone. Sam and Dean are like, Oh, Grizzly, wouldn't be doing that. Something fucked up is going on here. Yeah, with the help of good old dad's journal,
daddy,
good old Jeffrey Dane Sam and Dean realize that what they're facing is a Wendy go, because whatever it was, was able to move really fucking fast, and it's apparently able to mimic the voice of people. And Dean is not happy about this, because guns and knives are apparently useless against a Wendigo, so they basically inform the group, and the group's not really buying in. They're kind of thinking they're crazy, but they're just going along with it. And Dean draws Anasazi symbols around the
campsite for protection. And they plan to like camp for the night. And they basically are saying, like, this thing's a good hunter during the day, but it's even better at night. So we have to put this stuff around. We have to stick together. Not go out of the circle, right? They make it very clear, do not go out of the circle. We have to protect ourselves. But again, the group isn't really buying into this. They think they might be a little crazy at this. Well, doesn't
he mention that like shooting at it is just gonna piss it off? Even more, yes, yeah, he's
like guns, knives, they aren't gonna work. It's just gonna piss it off. So
stay in the circle till we figure it out, right?
But we have sassy Roy, oh, I know. So you can already kind of guess how this is gonna go. Sam argues with Dean yet again, why don't we just get the fuck out of here, like we don't have stuff to really fight this thing. Let's just get these people somewhere safe and go find out, like this isn't our problem, basically, is what Sam's getting at and Dean is like, hey, we have to help others. You know, this is our family business. This is why dad
left us his journal. Is because I think he wants us to pick up where he left off, saving people, hunting things, family business, all that kind of stuff. Okay? And then, once again, cries for help are heard, and Roy ignoring me, hearings, yep. Gotta be the guide. Gotta be the hero. Jumps up with his gun and is shooting at where they can see things moving like in the distance, but it's so fast, of course, he's not hitting it, yeah. And then he leaves the circle to try and run
into it, yep. And of course, he is caught by the Windigo, like, pulled up into a tree and just disappears right away. Yeah. Something snapped,
yeah. And he Yeah. So he did everything they told him not to exactly,
but because he was the guide, he felt he knew better better. Yeah,
which in his defense, yeah, it sounds crazy or whatever, but hey, I would have stayed in that circle, right, even if I thought they were crazy. Maybe I don't know. Yeah.
So the next day, Sam and Dean are finally explaining to Haley and Ben what a Wendigo is, and that it means evil that devours. They were once human, but had become something else. When forced to eat human flesh in order to survive, Tommy may still be alive, because when dgoes hibernate and like to store live food, so they basically follow. The windigos Bloody trail armed with Molotov cocktails, basically because Dean explains, like, guns and knives are useless, but we need
to burn it to kill it. Yeah, that's the only way to kill a Windigo is with fire. Eventually, as they're walking along, following the trail, Roy's dead body falls from a tree and the Windigo appears, but we still don't really see it very well, but
there was blood splatter on Haley's,
oh yes, there were the drops of blood. It was, it was the drops of blood on the shoulder before the body fell, because she looked up, and that was a really cool shot, too, when she looked up and the body was falling, and so she dodged out of the way. The blood splatter warned her it was coming. Yeah. So yeah. So Roy's body falls, and it causes everyone to scatter, like they all take off running, because they know the windy goes right
there. So Haley and Dean are leading, and Sam and Ben are falling behind, and Ben actually trips and falls, and Sam pauses to help Ben up, and that gives the Wendigo just enough time to capture Dean and Haley, like he catches them off guard, because they run right into him. They he captures Dean and Haley. And so whenever Sam and Ben are you'd think they'd be right there, but by the time they get there, they're already gone, because
he's so fast, right? Sam and Ben actually follow a trail of those peanut M M's that Dean has left behind. So he Hansel and gretled that shit. They eventually find Dean, Haley and Tommy all hanging from the ceiling of an abandoned mine, which they're from their arms, yeah, like their wrists are like, tied up, and they're like, hanging that way. Haley's feet were dangling off the ground. I can't imagine how comfortable that would be just to be tied up like that for so long, let alone, like, your
full body weight pulling. Yeah. So luckily, they find them. They cut down. First they find Haley and Dean, they cut them down. And then Haley looks over and sees her brother, Tommy, and he's still alive, so they cut him down, but he's super weak, so they're basically having to carry him in order to help him move. Dean happens to find two flare guns with a bunch of supplies, because the windigos
be stealing people's shit. So there was, like, a bunch of stuff that Dean could go through, and he happened to find two flare guns and all that stuff. Convenient, super convenient, like y'all are lucky, yeah? Real lucky. Sam and Dean look at each other, and they're like, You thinking what I'm thinking? Yeah, so they read each other's minds, and basically the mental mind plan.
Thing that happened here is that Dean was going to be the distraction and try to get the windingo to follow him, while Sam got everybody else out safely. So Sam starts to leave with all of the Collins siblings, and with a wink, Dean takes off in another direction, yelling, being really loud, trying to get the Windigo to follow him, because Haley's all like, what are you doing? And his answer is like, wink, yeah.
You know, baby,
yeah. Not all of us have the ability to read minds. Winchester brothers, right? Like you guys apparently do.
I would really read into that Wink, though, right?
Oh my gosh, I dream about it for days. So the Windigo switches shit up. He's like, I see your plan, and I'm not playing along. He follows Sam and the sister of the two brothers instead, and corners them, but Dean circles back around, shoots them with the flare gun, and the windy goes chest, like slowly starts to crackle. They it was, it was really cool. And then, like, it slowly starts to catch on fire and burst into flames eventually. So Dean saves the day
when Dingo, when d go down, yeah.
So then they get out and they call for help, and as it's like kind of the cameras panning around, we hear Ben, the baby Collins brother, telling one of the officers or Rangers or whoever it is that comes to help that it was a bear and it was the biggest bear he'd ever seen, and blah, blah, blah. So obviously they fabricated a fake story. Really think they were crazy, right? Like, how you can't tell them? Well, it was a Wendy go, like they aren't gonna
believe you. So they just kind of stick with the fake story that worked for Shaw and his family. It was good enough for them. They figure it's good enough for us, right? So they say it was a bear, and Tommy is in an ambulance, and so Haley comes over, and it's basically like, I don't know how I could make it up to you. And Dean like, does this like little smile? Yeah, like, I got some ideas on how you could make it
up to me, kind of thing. And she's just like, How dare you or something, ruin the moment? Yeah. Much, and I'm like, ruin the moment. You're missing you a shot, yeah. So she gives Dean a kiss, and then she just like, Pat Sam on the shoulder. He's like, thanks. Thanks, Sam, thank you, Sam, you put your life in danger for me. Not even a hug, nothing. And she goes and gets in the ambulance with her two brothers in order to leave, and then dean makes a joke about how he hates camping, which Me, too.
I've never actually done it, but I just didn't imagine I would fucking hate it. Yeah, it
doesn't sound I mean, I don't I mean, it doesn't sound like fun. I mean, I guess for the skills to have to go camping would be useful, I guess, but I just don't want to go to the bathroom in the woods. That
doesn't sound like fun to me. Like, if I'm told, you need to do this because you need these skills, okay? But that's not like, I don't want to do that for fun, yeah? Unless we're going to where you can see the northern lights and you're sleeping in those beds with, like, the clear, Oh, that'd be so cool. Yeah, that's the kind of camping I'll do that. Yeah? Same, yeah. Dean informs Sam, you know, we're gonna find Dad. And Sam agrees, but in the
meantime, he's driving. So that is the end of Wendy go.
Wendy go. Wendy
go. So there are definitely some really cool shots in this, and I really liked the whole not seeing the monster until the very end. And even when we got to see the monster at the very end, it was limited. They never showed us an extremely clear shot, except for whenever he was, like, burning up. Yeah, true. So I liked that. I enjoyed that and seeing more Sam and Dean banter getting to know these Winchester boys, of course, I adored that as well.
Yeah, not too much. Gore in this episode, like the bloody tent and stuff. Yeah,
there wasn't, it wasn't really graphic, yeah, not
too graphic. There was. There was a bunch of bones and skulls and stuff in the Wendigo den, which was in like an old coal mine or something. What about the Laura LA? What can you tell us about when they go well?
So what I found was that there is actually a thing called, well, yeah, called, when do you go psychosis? Oh, and it's says it's one of the more dramatic mental illnesses, okay, but they characterize it by a deep craving for human flesh as food. And this says it could be entirely made up. But what the origin story is is that it was among the Algonquin, and it's generally associated associated
with deep winter. So like hibernating, like the little wendingo did, but it was a winter time where he was hibernating, right?
Yeah, they said he hibernates. I was under the impression he hibernates for longer, since it was like 23 years. Yeah. So the Algonquin are indigenous people of eastern Canada,
okay, I guess he was, maybe he was collecting them for winter. Oh, yeah, you know, yeah, that would make sense. But yeah, so it's associated with deep winter, which is like usually a time of famine. And so one man, through hunger or personal failure, broke the taboo against eating human flesh, and an evil spirit possessed him and forced him to come insatiably hungry for more, always eating and always starving. Oh,
so that's a little bit more detailed when what they said in the show, yeah, it's
the idea of a moral slip leading into a spiral through which it destroys the sinner. Is a cross cultural one, but this particular one has spawned a specific and violent version, so they have an uncontrollable craving to eat human flesh when, even when there's other food nearby that they could eat. So they just like crave it. Cry
that I cry. It was localized within the North Eastern American tribes, as you said, and was dying out as the European American anthropologist came in and started cataloging for it and uncovered some very vivid stories. One of the most well known ones was that of a plains Cree Trapper in the late 1800s didn't Sam mention like the Cree, the Cree Indians?
Oh, yeah, he did, because you had me rewind it, yeah. So, so
it's a plains Cree Trapper in the 1800s who, after his son died, killed and ate the rest of his family while, even though he was within reach of outposts where he could have gotten supplies. So I guess he just had like a psychotic break.
Yeah.
And then another one is Jack fiddler, an OG Cree, man who haunted and cured others of windigoism, wendigoism, not wendingoism,
not wendingo Wendy go he
killed one supposed Windigo and tried to convict him a murderer and get him executed. Oh, no, no, I'm sorry. The guy was tried convi. Did a murder and executed. So
the guy killed a win, killed a person he claimed was a Windigo, and then he got sentenced for that. Yeah,
okay, they found the anthropologist found it interesting that this psychosis was localized, both geographically and culturally, and it seemed to be vanishing as a culture vanished. And there was one of the few people who actually got to see a person with this psychosis was a missionary named je Sandin Sanden, and he traveled around in the early 1900s and there was a woman who supposedly was
possessed, seemed rational. Had had no desire to eat whom human flesh, and only wanted to kill strangers because she feared they would hurt her. She surrounded herself with her close family and avoided new people in order to avoid the temptation of killing them,
huh? But she wasn't eating them, right? She was just
killing them. She was just killing me, yeah. So I guess they just lumped it into this psychosis, and that was one of the most well documented ones, and but it doesn't resemble the psychosis of the Wendy go, since it is the cannibalism, but it somehow got lumped in with it. The anthropologist did point out that most people who claim to be Wendy goes usually suffered from all kinds of other mental health problems, and the term was kind of like a catch all phrase for mental issues. Oh, well, there
you go. Exactly, yeah. And
then they believed and assumed that everyone whom the phrase was applied suffered from the same psychosis, and assumed that it was widespread when cannibalism figured in crime, though, people assume that it had to be because of cultural psychosis, rather than it being an aspect of violent crime that can happen anywhere and happens for different reasons. So it's a good story, and a few dramatic tales that no one has, like first very first hand factual witness, you know, to this.
So it's documented, but it's not really documented, yeah,
I guess so, like, there's, there's documentation of this supposed psychosis, and people that supposedly have it had it, but nobody's, like, truly witnessed the the wind, ego, cannibalism,
I guess, gotcha.
And eventually, um, it vanished and it couldn't be verified. So that's that. Well, I also feel like, what if it's just like a bunch of white people dogging on Indians Native Americans that were there before them, you know, just creating something to make them seem even more savage and different than us? You know, something like that
could be Ben mentions the Donner party whenever they're explaining, yeah, who, what the Wendigo is. I
didn't look at it. I mean, I looked it up, but there was just, like, it was so long I didn't, yeah,
so the Donner party, I've heard of it before, but I didn't really know what the Donner party is. Yeah, it was basically a group of American pioneers who migrated to California in a
wagon train from the Midwest. So I don't know if it was like manifest destiny or the gold rush or whatever, but they were delayed by a multitude of mishaps, and ended up spending the winter of 1846 to 1847 snowbound in the Sierra Nevada mountain range, and apparently some of the migrants resorted to cannibalism to survive, eating the bodies of those who had succumbed to starvation, sickness or extreme cold. So that's what the Donner party was. Cannibalism's all the rage right now,
is it?
Got that Dahmer, Oh, that's
true. As we were watching it, I was like, thinking, or, I'm sorry, not as we were watching it, but as I was reading about the Wendy goes, I kept thinking about the Jeffrey Dahmer show that's on right now. And then I watched on Netflix the Dahmer, yeah, there's miles, there's
like, two or three shows out about him right now, which, yeah, makes me kind of sad because apparently, I don't know if it's one family or if there's multiple families of victims who did not want this stuff to happen. Drag back up again, right? It's like, I get it that it's historical and it's interesting and it's content for a show, but I also understand that, like, why can't you respect the family's wishes, especially with the just publicity that's everywhere. People are saying, just don't
watch it. It's like, Well, I think those you can't avoid it. It's everywhere right now.
I mean, I've only watched the first episode of the Netflix series, but the Netflix I did too doc that has like this, these unreleased tapes of like, 32 hours of interviews with him, with this one lady. I think that's worse than the show, because it's literally him, just so matter of fact, they just talking about what he did, like, it's just like, making dinner. Yeah, yeah. Just, I. Haven't
even started that. I tried to start the series because I love Evan Peters, yeah. And I made it through the first episode, and I was just like, nope, not for me. Yeah, I
haven't gone back to it yet.
I'm sure I will, but I don't plan to. I've heard rave reviews about his performance, but it's just, it was just too disturbing for me. Yeah, it's,
yeah. I'm
like, Evan Peters, you finally did it. You finally got cast in a role where there is zero ways for me to think of you as attractive, right?
Well, and honestly, I really found one thing that is, like, scary about it to me is normally when you hear these tapes or interviews with these serial killers or whatever they've had, like, some messed up childhood or something happened to them, but he didn't. He really didn't. And he just, like, had this craving one day and just kept going after it. It was a Wendigo psychosis, yeah, and like, his He kept trying to, like, incapacitate them, basically, so he could do whatever he wanted
but still keep them alive. That was like, what he was trying to do. It's insane. Yeah and oh
yeah. Enough cannibal talk.
Yeah, it's awful. Yeah,
it's terrible. It's terrible. Enough of that. Let's not let's move on. We have a quote from Dean. He's talking to Sam about their dad's journal and why he thinks their dad left it to them. And he said, I think he wants us to pick up where he left off. You know, saving people, hunting things, the family business. Cheers, cheers. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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