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we are in season three, you just did the first episode. And we saw that the boys after what happened at the finale of letting all the demons out of Heaven's Gate, not Heaven's Gate. My God is going on. Hell's Gate, Devil's gate, whatever. This they had these seven demons come after them that were the seven deadly sins. We met Ruby. I don't know if she said her name yet. But she's. Oh, is that her name? Yeah. Oh, she's in the picture now trying to help Sam are following him at this point.
And basically with Bobby's help, and Bobby's friends, Isaac and Tamra they beat they spent all the seven deadly sins back to hell. Poor tamaraws husband died in the midst. She took off, Bobby took off, but said he'll see him again because there's definitely a war coming.
Well, today's episode is called. The Kids Are All Right. And wasn't that like a mark buffalo movie?
I was gonna say it's a movie and it's also a who album?
Well, this probably based off of the WHO album is the inspiration for the Oh yeah. rockumentary song by Anna rockumentary on the who? Episode is titled I feel like it's a Mark Ruffalo movie. Oh,
yeah. And I think forget the two ladies that are in it that are parents.
What's her name? From Ozark?
Laura Linney.
Yeah, I think Laura Lenny was in it.
Okay. I can't remember the other one neither.
Me neither.
But yeah, you're right.
This unimportant. Anyway. So when the kids are all right, we open up on a woman who's standing outside her house. And her ex husband is dropping off their kid he obviously had the kid for the weekend is dropping the kid off. And the moms checking on the kid being like, are you okay? How's everything? And the kid is freaked the fuck out? She says Please do not make me go back there. There are monsters there. Fuck that nonsense all need to go back. And the mom is just like, oh,
okay, whatever. Well, then we go and we follow the ex husband to his house. And he's out in the garage working on a rocking horse, which I guess he remarried and is about to have a baby because their kid was a little too old for a rocking horse. So he wasn't making it for the daughter. Well, I
was like, I thought it could just the way his garage was set up. I was like, Is it a hobby? And he's just a carp or is it like a proper carpenter? Or maybe he just doesn't have free time. And it was for a friend. You know? It was very well done.
I mean, he did a good job talented. Yeah. But he's also kind of stupid, because of the events that come immediately after. And it was like, almost 1am What are you doing? Go to bed? You were in your 40s? Sir. What are you still doing way too late, way too late. So he finally realizes, Oh, fuck, I'm middle age. I need to go to bed. And he's going to his garage door and he turns off the light. And his wood saw turns on like a saw table. And he goes, Oh, what's that about? turns on the
light. And he goes back. He's like crouching down by the table yet face a little too close. These really close. What are you looking for? What are you doing? He hits the switch. Then he gets up and he goes walking back to the door and he turns off the light and it comes on again. And he goes back and he's doing it again. And during all of this, we're getting some camera angles where we can tell that there's something watching him
that that was something good marking the way it worked around the car and then to his workspace and everything it was it was pretty good camera action. Yeah,
it was it was very interesting. When you you knew something menacing was around the corner. They were height and definitely hiding. Yeah. They didn't want to be seen. So he goes which how are they turning on the table saw? I just don't know. There's so many things. So many things happening. Just we haven't even gotten to the logo yet. Like it's just so much stuff. So he goes back to the solid table again. Again, he's putting his face really close to
it. And he turns it off. And then the thing that we can't see comes like running up to him. And he turns around and goes Oh, and falls back onto the table The saw turns on and it's just like Gore was little blood splooge No, we didn't have a blood split. But he did get fucked up.
Yeah, like came we saw it come through his guts.
Yeah, well, he got it was good it seriously got gutted. So then we get the new devils trap flash supernatural. We cut to Sam on the phone chatting away with Bobby because Bobby is going to be a big deal this season. I can just feel it. We're gonna have some Bobby on this every episode, I think. And I'm not upset about it. He's the new daddy. So they're talking about Dean and his demon deal. You know, how are we going to
help him get this done? Because last episode, we found out that Dean said it's part of the deal that if I tried to get out of it, you're dead. And so I think it's really sweet like these codependent brothers constantly sacrificing themselves for each other. You know, Sam doesn't give a shit that he might die. He's still trying to figure out how can we save Dean? Of course, Dean walks in to come talk with Sam. And I guess Sam doesn't want him to know that he was talking to Bobby try to talk to
him. Because he's like, Yeah, okay, hangs up. And it's like, I was just ordering a pizza. And they're literally in a restaurant. It was fun. Dean calls him on it sound tries to play it off. Still. I think Dean just decided to let it go. Because it was obviously bullshit. Dean let let Sam know about the weird death on the table saw in Cicero, Indiana. And he also lets him know that he has some other motivation for wanting to go visit this town.
Because a chick he hooked up with eight or nine years ago, a yoga instructor named Lisa is in that town and he wants to stop by.
And one time I when he was explaining it, I was like, Oh, they must have had like a time together. You know, because he was so excited to go back. And then we learned later it was like a one night thing.
It was like a weekend. I think it was like a weekend or a week. So it was like, it was a time period. But it happened once. Eight years ago that sex must have been. But that's amazed. That's what
the ladies was said at the party. She was like she's the one that gene the one night best night of my life. That's I'm thinking like, it was like one night.
I think that when Dean was talking to Sam that he made it sound like it was more than one night though. Because he was like saying remember when we did the such and such it was like something in five days or something like that?
Yeah. Well, that's just weird because their stories don't match. Oh, but anyway,
it was eight years ago, cut them some slack. I can't I can't remember what
happened one night versus
whatever. Like I'm trying to think like, Who did I even sleep with eight years ago. Like I'm trying to think what was even eight years ago. Can't remember last week. But it was apparently memorable enough for both of them for both of them will particularly Dean that he knows where she lives because he said that he spent like the weekend in her flat or something. And when they show up in Cicero that ain't no flat up house, man. Yeah. She's living in a house now. So were you
tracking her? She's what's going on Dean? She's
in the Yellow Pages.
Anyway, they decided to make the trek jeans like you know, let's go. Which I thought this was funny because it's normally Sam being like, Oh, hey, like, I think this is something weird and Dean be like, is that really our deal? That doesn't seem like it's us. But jeans, the one convincing them now, Dean drops off Sam at a local motel and goes to Lisa's house, and there's balloons outside. But apparently that just goes over his head
completely. Because he still walks up to the door and knocks on it and is expecting her to be relieved to see him just dropping her panties. The second she opens the door. And not so much. That's not so much the reception he receives. Lisa after some awkward back and forth where it seems like Dean's not really getting the hint. Not at all. But she's busy. And she's not necessarily wanting to entertain him right now.
Yeah, I mean, balloons are a big warning that their children side and she'll she's like, it's not a good time. It's not a good time. Yeah. And he's just like he thinks it's a good time.
I like parties. Yeah.
Party. Oh, like cardi like
he was not getting the head at all. And she was not being subtle about it either. So I'm not sure what was going on there. But Dean gets himself invited into what ends up being Lisa's son's birthday party. And as they're walking through the house, Lisa lets Dean know that it's her son's eighth birthday party. Then we see her son Ben, opening up As a and being like AC DC rules. He is dressed like Dean, he is talking like Dean, it is obvious that they want us to think that this is Dean's
kid. Like too obvious. It was too obvious. It was a little too much. Yeah. Whoever wrote it. eight year olds don't talk like that. I used to teach dance. eight year olds do not talk like that. It was a little too much. But the kid pulled it off. I thought he was adorable. Yeah, he I mean, he was he was a good little actor. Yeah, he was really cute. Dean even confronts Lisa at one point about whether or not it's his kid and she doesn't give him a straight up answer. We do get one at the end
that No, it wasn't your kid. I had a paternity test done with somebody else. But they definitely are wanting us to think during this whole episode, that this is mini dean. And it's his little baby.
And it's I mean, it's cute, but also like, cheesy, too cheesy. It was a little cheesy.
So like LA already said, there were a few other things that happened at the birthday party. We heard the friends gossiping about oh my god, that's Dean. That's the guy who rocked her fucking world that one night. And they're checking him out and everything. Also, you know, some interactions between Dean and Ben, obviously. And one of Lisa's friends named Dana is talking to Lisa inside. It's just the two of them by themselves. Dana is the mom of the little girl that we saw in
the very beginning. So her ex husband just recently died. And she's had her kid for, you know, while they're grieving, what have you. But she's talking to Lisa and tells Lisa, I don't feel like my kid is my kid like something's weird. Something's going on. I'm freaking out. And Dana's kid has named Katie. So she's trying to tell Lisa like Katie's not Katie. Something's weird. And it shows the kids standing outside just looking around not really playing with
the other kids. I liked Lisa most of this episode, but I did not like Lisa in this scene. Yeah, she straight up, you know, completely invalidates what her friend is trying to tell her and she's like, we'll get you help. You're fucking crazy. We're gonna get you help. Like, why don't you ask your friend what's happening? Like you didn't even let her explain?
Yeah, I hate that about movie sometimes with stuff that everybody would probably be like, Oh, you're crazy. But it's like if one of my friends came up to me saying that, like I know. You're a rational person. So I would want to know why you think this way? Yeah, explain it to me.
She like dismissed her. Like as you're grieving. Yeah, you're grieving. So you're crazy. We'll get you counseling completely didn't even let her finish explaining what she was trying to explain. And let me tell you, Lisa, the kid was fucking creepy. Mm hmm. We got to see later. And real hungry, real hungry and didn't want to be left alone. Like wouldn't even let her mom go to the bathroom. Oh my god. Yeah, it was really, really bad. So shame
on you. Anyway, during the birthday party, Sam is sitting at a different diner, doing research doing his Sami things. When Ruby walks in the blind that was following him around and came in and killed some demons in the season premiere. She joins them at the table. And she is definitely acting like she's hot shit. And she knows so much more than him. And if he wants to know everything, she knows he should give her a call. She says something about you know, your special. And Sam does
disclose. I haven't had visions. I haven't had anything like that happened since yellow eyes died. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But she loves him. No, no, like, you're still special on something happened to your mom? And what about your mom's friends and like, Oh, I know something you don't know. Maybe you do some homework. And then you call me and she like writes her number on his hand.
I don't like her. You really did not.
I didn't like her at all. Yeah, from the get go. I don't like her.
I mean, I don't mind or but not. Like I feel like I felt like that about Joe was like, Oh, she's she's annoying me immediately. But then I ended up liking her.
I understood Joe and I like Joe when I'm ready for Joe to come back. But this whole she just seems like she thinks she's better than everybody and I don't I don't like
Yeah, yeah,
I get it. I'm so mysterious. I'm just gonna come in and slash throats and then be like, you're welcome. And like, I just don't like her. She seems very conceited. Very full of herself. Yeah, you're not a fan thus far. Okay. You treat my Sammy with some respect. He is the prodigal the boy king. After all, we found that out last episode,
whatever that means.
The other thing she does tell him before she leaves us. Oh, by the way, there's a case here you know, something like that. Something else that's just really conceded. Like I know more than you know it all bullshit before she takes off and leaves and then dean happens to call Sam and tell him hey, there's a case here.
Well, he knows it's a case because he didn't Lisa mentioned that there were like, like a couple other accidents before what happened to Katie's dad. In the neighborhood,
I actually don't remember. Yeah,
I think that's what happened. That's how that's why Dean was calling. He was like, You're right.
You're right. Because that's when Sammy gets dressed up like Mr. Insurance man, that horrible shirt and tie combo. We so Oh, we do. We so we see Dana waking up from a nap on the couch and Katie is sitting next to her just like her limb me. I love him. Me. I'm angry of me. Very creepy. Dana is obviously unsettled, not feeling very comfortable. And she happens to stand up to walk to the kitchen and it's like hugging her kid and there's a mirror hanging
over their fireplace. And so she looks the kid in the mirrors reflection, and the kid's skin is like, not scaly but
it just looked like it was ready to slough off of her. Yeah, like just I don't even know like dead bird. Skin wet. Yeah,
it wasn't scales, but it certainly wasn't what she looks like. Whenever Dana looks down, pulls her away to look at her face. It was like this wrinkly, gray pink. Gross, not here. And so Dana is like, oh, fuck me. So she's like really starting to lose her shit. Then we cut to Sam visiting a different victim like LA just said, talking to her. Her husband had died too while he was changing a light
bulb or something. So Sam standing outside looking at where the husband had died, he notices some bread smears on the side of the building that he thinks could potentially be blood. And also, there's another creepy kid standing inside the window just staring at him.
Like he like gives them a smile on the kids just like dead faces.
And then as they're turning to leave, Sam notices that there's like this weird Hickey thing on the neck shoulder kind of area of the mom. As they're walking back into the house. We cut back to Dana and creepy Katie. And Dana is giving Katie some food to eat. And then she's like, excuse me sweet. I'm gonna go to the bathroom and she goes in locks the door, and she keeps rubbing at her neck because her neck is
hurting too. So she's getting a mirror and she's trying to see what the fuck is going on back there. And she also has that exact same creepy Hickey on the back of her neck shoulder area. And while she's doing this, Katie is at the door just like freaking the fuck out losing
your mind. Yeah. And very, a lot of strength for a little girl. You're gonna be down that door.
The doors like shaking really loudly. She's like Libby. And it was it was not fun, not fun. And then the doorbell rang. And Katie apparently ran off to go answer the door. So then Dana comes out. And it's this real estate agent lady. It's the same lady that we saw at the birthday party who was gossiping about Dean's finance. And she's like giving baked goods basically asking, you know, like, I know, you're this is what I thought was weird. Like your ex husband died who obviously doesn't live
with you anymore. But I didn't know if you were going to keep the house. Why would she sell the house because her ex husband died? Yeah,
that was that was weird, but whatever. But either way, inappropriate time after somebody's had a death.
Yeah, Dana is just like, this isn't a fucking good time and slams the door and the real estate agent space to see her creepy Katy kids standing there at her feet being like, Hey, Bobby, like I looked at LA. I don't have kids. And so I looked at all and I was like, I'm so happy with my life choices right now. I don't have to worry about waking up to a creepy cating standing there and staring at
me. Which I've heard like people's kids will do that, that they'll like wake up and their kid will just be standing by the bed like staring at them watching them sleep Buck bad. Oh, yeah, fuck that. I don't like it. Anyways, Dean has gone to hang out at the neighborhood park for some reason. They don't explain why he's there. But he's there. He's in the park. And he happens upon Ben who is sitting on a park bench. And he looks bummed out. He does not look like the cool confident kid that
he was at his birthday party. He is currently upset. So Dean goes and sits down next to him. And he notices that Ben is kind of playing with an empty case that is obviously meant to hold some sort of electronic device. And there's some kids out in the grass ahead of Ben who were playing with a game so Dean asks Ben, is that yours? Ben says
yes. You know, they're just borrowing it for a second but he's obviously upset so clearly, they just took it from him and he doesn't have you know, the gumption or whatever to go get it back. Dean gives Ben some advice on what he needs to do to get his game back. Den Ben den Ben. Then Ben gets up and he goes over there and asks for his game back and the bully is like, you want back so badly but can take it back? back. And so Ben knees him in the groin, like a couple of times, I think, and
takes his game back. And Lisa shows up at that time. And it's like, what the fuck Ben? Did you just beat up that kid and Ben tries to explain what he had my game. He took it from me. And she's like, Why did how did you even learn how to do that? And then she sees Dean standing there as like, you fucking tell my kid to go beat up this guy. And Dean is just kind of like, I mean, I'm just teaching them how
to deal with bullies. And so she tells Ben like we're leaving, Ben like stops and goes and hugs Dean and it's like, thank you. It's really it was an interesting contrast between last episode where Dean is all Hey, my light at the end of the tunnel is the fact that I'm about to fucking die soon. So I'm just gonna live it up. I'm gonna be a big ol slut. I'm gonna have some fun. And that's
it. And then in this episode, I think he was kind of flirting with the idea of potentially having like a different kind of life where maybe he was a dad, maybe he was suburban with a kid and all this other kinds of stuff, because he got attached to Ben really quickly. Yeah, but Lisa, she told him, this ain't your kid. I don't know why the fuck you're even still here. Like, stop, go away. Leave us alone. Don't be teaching my kid how to beat people up. Back at
Dana's house. Creepy Katie is all like, I have an ice cream maybe. So Dana decides Alright, that's it. I'm gonna kill this bitch. They go and they get in her car. And Dana drives her to a lake or a pond or something. She gets out of her car. She puts the car in drive pulls the parking brake the emergency party great kids out with her purse. Lets go of the emergency brake and steps back. And the kid just sits there looking over
her shoulder. At Dana creepy Katie does calm as can be. Yeah, not even trying to move not trying to get out of the car. Nothing. Like she could not give a shit. And Dana rolled down all the windows, I guess because that car went down pretty fucking quickly.
I shouldn't I shouldn't laugh. That's terrible. And then she's just standing there crying. It's like, good God woman. How are you gonna explain this? Yeah.
Then she goes back to her house. And creepy Katie's sitting at the kitchen bar. Being like, are we gonna go get that ice cream now mummy?
dripping wet,
dripping wet and in what car? Right Katie? You know what happened? You drive the car back, Katie bring the car back. Katie, what are you doing? Goodness gracious. I know Dean has gone back to the motel and is telling Sam that something's wrong with the kids in this town. Which by the way, whatever Dean was at the park, he did see a bunch of kids just standing there staring at him very
creepily. And Salem informs Dean that there's a changeling in every victim's home, which LA is going to talk to us more about what changelings are later on when we get to the lore. But in a nutshell, they aren't the kids there are these monsters that are feeding on the mothers for weeks until the mom like dies, basically. Yeah. And the real kids are stored somewhere underground. So Dean immediately wants to go back to Lisa's and
check on them. If this is happening and all of the households he's gotta go check on his pretend baby mama and his pretend kid and make sure they're okay. And when he gets there, this Ben who was like hugging him at the park No, I love you Dean and so thankful is suddenly really cold to Dean. Like make him leave mommy and acting completely differently. So Dean is like off fuck, like Ben's gone that's a changeling to got him. They got him too
late. Dane goes and gets back in the Impala and and form Sam like that That's fucking going on here. You know, they're talking about the bloodstains on the house. And Dean says, Oh, well, those aren't blood. I have no idea how this was figured out.
I agree. I the whole time. I was like, oh, bloodstains. So that yeah, when this came about, I was like, what?
Where the fuck did this come from? Yeah, it never really got mapped out for us. No, I
think it was when after he realized that bit. They had been as a changeling. He went to Ben's window, remember? And like touched it? And I guess he realized it was like dirt instead of blood. Well, I
remember him touching it, but okay. I mean, yeah, I guess the texture because they never fucking use gloves on this show. So they would definitely feel the texture and be like, Oh, it's gritty. It's not blood. Somehow they miraculously pull up to a house that's under development. And it's exactly the house where all the children are at. Yeah, because it has the same dirt. There's a big mound of red dirt outside. Yeah, a bit of a jump here in my opinion strip. But that's okay. We'll
allow it will allow it. So Sam and Dean go into the house. They We find all the kids are in these cages and also the real estate agent is in a cage. So the real estate agent is the mama Changeling and they just need to kill her and all the other changelings will die. Well didn't they say like fire is the only thing that can kill them? Yeah. And they have like this tank spray can Yeah, it was a huge thing that they had to like light and then spray was like gas can or something. Gas can
gas can what? I don't want to know. So they're breaking out the kids. And of course Ben is like, come on. I'm gonna be helping and use my tiny little jacket to help with the covering the glass window and all this stuff is happening. Dean's helping all the kids escape. Sam is fighting the real estate lady. They get all the kids out. And then Sam finally like blows up the real estate lady with the
fire. And in the meantime, fake Ben is trying to get Lisa and fake Katie is trying to get Dana and luckily they all burn up at the same time as the mama Changeling burns up. Yeah. And I can't Lisa reacted whenever she realized it wasn't her kid. She was just like, Fuck this. I'm out of here. And she tried to leave. But there were like a bunch of kids just standing outside her front door staring at her. So she ended up getting stuck in there. But like, that's what I would have done. I would
have been like, Fuck this. I'm out of here. Yeah, Lisa was the most relatable character to me in this episode. I agree. Dean and Sam, take Ben back to Lisa, who knows what happened with those other kids?
You know, I guess they they went around the neighborhood dropping kids off, or taking them everywhere.
So you want a little bus ride around the neighborhood and they just saved Ben for last. And Lisa was so thankful and Dean finally explains, you know, like, this was my job. Like, I can tell you what my job was because I do weird shit for my job. And I'd tell you more about it, but you don't really want to know. But you know, Ben, He's amazing. He's an amazing kid. And he says he wouldn't be ashamed to call Ben his son. And Lisa is like, Oh, that's sweet. He's not.
Yeah, she's like, she'll be clear. He's not I had a
blood test done. He's not your kid. Which who knows? She could be lying.
Right? But hey, she
did offers like, Hey, if you want to stick around for a few days, yeah, we can have a little sequel of our fun weekend together. Eight years ago. If you want to hang out. Sam can watch the kid. But DNS like now. I can't. Yeah, it's a job. Not his life. That's this ain't my life. Yeah, I'm totally being a sloth right now. But I can't be one with you, Elisa, even though that's the whole fucking reason I wanted to come to this town.
Lisa did comment that he seemed disappointed when she assured him that Ben wasn't his kid. Yeah. And that's where I'm saying that like, I feel like he was seeing a different light at the end of the tunnel in this episode, you know, something that potentially could have been his. But it ain't. No, Sam is calling. You know, he's back at the motel while Dean is with Lisa. And he's calling all these numbers and asking about Campbell's and this and that was
a lot of Campbell's. So I'm guessing that was Mary's my maiden name. Yeah, I think so. I think so. There was there was like multiple Campbell's. And then there was occasionally like a Wilson or something like that. And he confirmed that sure enough, you know, that all of Mary's friends and family were killed off within the months after her death. So he calls Ruby and says, Okay, you know, I confirm that what you said is the truth. Everybody was killed
off. And Ruby tells him well, that's like the yellow eyed demon covering his tracks. And Sam gets really aggressive in this like, Who the fuck are you? You know, how do you know all this? You're claiming you're just a hunter, but I don't fucking buy that. How are you just a hunter and you know more about my family than I do? Who the fuck are you and Ruby finally reveals that she's a demon. She like blinks her eyes and they go black. Sam is not happy. But there's a demon in
there. But she's assuring him that she's there to help him that, you know, she doesn't know why yellow is killed Mary. And she doesn't know why yellow has killed Mary's friend. But she's going to help him figure it out. That's kind of where it ends. Well, no, she also says Sam is like, Oh, why should I trust you? Why should I even talk to you? And where it ends is Ruby is like, because I can help you get Dean out of his team and deal. Right. And that's where it
ends? Yeah. cliffhanger. So as far as Gore goes, the glorious thing was the kill at the very beginning with the ex husband. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was I thought it was done. Well, I agree. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah. And as far as things to adore in this episode, I liked Lisa. I did too. I liked her character. I enjoyed Lisa. I enjoyed the dean. He's starting to act a little bit more like himself again. Yeah, it's not so over the top like it was last episode. So I enjoyed that
I cheesy as the whole scenario was between him and Ben where he and Ben whatever. I did think it was kind of sweet at the end and cute that he like kind of took like you said he like kind of thought about it and like, was almost slightly disappointed that Ben wasn't his. So I thought that was kind of sweet and cute.
I have enjoyed the actor who played Ben as well. Yes, he was so good. Like I said he didn't write those lines. I don't hold him at fault for that. Yeah, the task he was given to do. He did well, yeah. I enjoyed the little actor who played Ben, that little actress who played Katie was creepy as hell. Oh my god. Yeah, she was so she did good as well.
Kids. Well, for the lower we're going to talk about the changelings, most often referred to as a This is weird. A fairy who is swapped in to replace a human baby. Oh, a fairy? Yeah. Okay. So the mortal child is taken back to the realm of the fairies to be raised and put to work. But the creature that's left behind is usually usually
sickens and dies. It did say that some this medium.com I think says that some of them do live to adulthood, but they're always thought to be strange and weird weirdos by locals and whatnot. The myths and the history of it all is that it's a little bit of a sensitive subject. Because it's not it's real fucked up.
Oh, God.
So imagine having a baby and oh, yeah, well, yeah. It gets worse. With any kind of deviation from the norm, you know, accepting a child with special needs, you know, medical issue, abnormalities. These back in the day were thought of as dark doings not just natural occurrences Oh, to justify this, someone commit and infanticide, infanticide. Yeah, if it meant that getting a healthy child would would return to them.
That's like the Spartans. I know that if they thought that it couldn't grow. Well, actually, I don't know this. I just remember this from the movie 300.
Oh, accurate, historical.
But that there was the guy who was the hunchback and he was told about people if like that he should have been thrown off this cliff. Yep. But his mother couldn't stand to do that. So she saved him. Yep, yep. No, not in this scenario. Yeah, there's no accuracy. I highly doubt that the film 300 was accurate. It did feature Gerard Butler and Michael Fassbender, though it did. It's still worth watching, in my opinion. So there went way off the rails there.
But this I mean, this is just so terrible. Like what, what I'm talking about. So they're like, one reason that one might kill a child in the 1900s had to do with economics. Oh, my God, if you're if they had a child that had a disability, or you know, had a mental issue, it was a drain on the family's already meager income and resources, and especially if they live to adulthood, because it's just another mouth to feed. Oh, my
God. And so they felt in some ways killing a child was necessary for the rest of the family to survive. And this horror, yeah, it goes back as far as ancient Greece and Rome. So it's 300 years. Yeah, you're right.
I know, I told you.
So obviously, it spread well on after those times. But it remained after the fall of those empires, unfortunately, to alleviate the guilt from the families who and the community that would turn a blind eye. They kind of thought, Oh, my God, guys, that's not the case. A theory came, somebody came in, took their healthy baby and left them with the cursed one. If the chain now the parents would do whatever they could to get their own healthy child back, oh, my
God, whatever they could do. But if the poor Changeling died from something unfortunate, they only had the fairies to blame. You know, it wasn't them. It was the fairies.
Oh my god. I
know. It's fucking horrible. Or it's terrible. I know. And these excuses were accepted for many, many years. And so this led to like,
what, yeah, you said the Greece and Roman Empires all the way up until the 1900s. Yeah, that's insane.
So it led to a horrible abuse of children who had learning disabilities, deformities, violence and suspicion weren't just reserved for children. Well, the tails of the changeling children were popular, like it started to become known that adults could supposedly be adults could be swapped out as well and be blamed on the fairies as well. They have Yeah, yeah,
so they literally made up a fairy tale to excuse, infanticide and murder, right? Because sometimes it didn't just stop with children sometimes they would take out an adult as well.
Well, it's I mean, it kind of made it seem more like the adults could like blame their abuse of the children on it, because it said this resulted in their beings. Oh, they're starting to act somewhat off not quite the right version of themselves either the parent and that was just their way of quick and easy way to explain their behavior away. That something happened to a loved one with mental issues or like they'd had depression that was the the way
to explain that away. It's all the fairies man.
Yikes, this is so bad.
I know. So that's pretty terrible. Like that's pretty terrible for like the lore of what it all is.
I mean it it goes in line with the episode like we saw Dana literally tried to kill her kid,
right? Yeah. And you can explain it away.
I am fairies. Eric crypkey You got some balls on you using this mythology for an episode knowing people were gonna Google this shit.
So throughout time, like some of the like famous stories of this was even King Charles the First of England was rumored to be a changeling because of his peevish nature. Oh, and as a child, a nursemaids. A nursemaids claim, claimed that he a nurse made claim. Oh my god, you got it. A nurse made claimed that a figure appeared mysteriously at his bedside a cast a cloak, over the sleeping baby's cradle, and took him. King James of England also was rumored to be homeless, had he
had homosexual tendencies. And so then there were accusations of him being a changeling, as well, because, you know, that couldn't be allowed back then. But there is the movie, the changeling. I don't know if you've ever seen it. 2008 Clint Eastwood movie, and I haven't and this is based on another true story of Christine Collins. She came home from work one evening and her son Walter was
missing. And after five months of no answers dead ends, she was relieved when the police it was I think it was California police discovered her son, Walter in Illinois, alive and well, when she was in California. Now they brought her brought him back, but as soon as he got off the train, she was like, that's not my kid. So this was in 1918. And the cops like really mishandled the whole fucking case it was
the LAPD. They briefly consider that he was kidnapped for ransom by an enemy of like a former former acquaintance of his father. But it turned up nothing months of negative publicity scrutiny the offers officer in charge was Captain JJ Jones. And he really liked the prestige he was getting in the news about the case. Yeah, once Christine got Walter back, she did take him home and she had him for
three weeks. But then she went back to JJ with dental records and like testimonials from her friends who had seen this new Walther and claimed again, this was not her kid. He was just like, What are you trying to do? You're making fools fools of us, you're gonna skirt out on your duty as a mother of course, of
course, it's her fault. And she's a cruel hearted woman just like totally blamed it on her, committed her to a psychiatric ward, under code 12 intermittent, I guess it's a term used to go to jail or commit someone who, who was deemed difficult or it can be an inconvenience. But in the end, she did end up getting out and she never lost hope that he was alive and well, somewhere. And she searched for him the rest of her life. She died in 1964 at
the age of 75. Before that, though, when she got she got out 24 hours later when he released her. But there are a bunch of stories that these boys that were in juvenile hall said that this one boy was Walter, and that he had been at this farm with Stuart Gordon Norton, it was a chicken farm. And he had been abused. They went to investigate and actually found child body parts there. Yeah, so there was like no way for them to really know and, and
Christine didn't believe it. She didn't think that's what had happened to him. And I'm sure everyone wants to sit there and believe he's out there still somewhere. You know, there was also Robert Bobby Dunbar in 1912. Leslie and Percy Dunbar had taken their two sons, Alonso and Bobby on a fishing trip to Swayze lake near hallucis, Louisiana. They spent their month their day fishing hanging out, and then they went to their
cabin for lunch. During this time, four year old Bobby wandered off, and please scan the area and they immediately they immediately thought that they saw footprints and just assume like he had been kidnapped and somebody had taken them off. And there were reports that there was a strange man lurking around at the time. The search went on for eight months for him. And they like I mean, they dissected alligators, like all kinds of stuff to see if there were body parts in them.
Hersey Dunbar offered 1000 of $1,000 reward which today would be about like 30,000 Am and still like nothing came up. And then in 1913, a handyman and Mr. Hit Mrs. Hippie traveling with a boy that match the description they thought was Bobby blue blond hair blue eyed Bobby Dunbar, the guy that had him was William kantele water, Walters. And he said that his mother said for him to watch him for a few days, she had to go do something. He was just his
travel companion. It was believed that the boy was the illegitimate son of Julie and Walters brother, but that was never confirmed. And there were some residents in Mississippi who confirmed Walter story that the boy was with him because due to the mother, so they took this boy back to the family in Louisiana. And there's different versions of events like it seemed like it was just a terrible misunderstanding. Some people said that he like yelled
mother when he saw Alessi. And I mean, it's all just like conflicting stuff. So it's I mean, it's who knows what to believe. But Anderson was subjected to a lineup of five boys about the same age height description, like they did this for Anderson. And let's see, like Juliet and Anderson, the mother who had the missing kid, Leslie Dunbar, who supposedly like let her kid go with this guy. And neither one of them could like, positively identify their son, which I think is so
fucking weird. That is very weird. Yeah. Like, how can you not know your kid? Even if they look somebody somewhat alike? I mean, come on.
Well, I mean, how long has it been since they'd seen their kid? Like, depending on the age? Well, this one was eight months. So I mean, a kid can grow a lot. So maybe, maybe depending on the age, you know, yeah, you're
right. You're right. All right. Well, unlike last See, people believed her and Julia was any since she was more or no less. He said the boy was hers. Julia, she had to help hike at home and her whole reputation was dragged through the mud in local papers for just being a fraud. Not knowing her kid like she let her kid go. Who knows what she did her kid, William Walters, the man that had him was later convicted of kidnapping, but the charges were overturned on a technicality.
Two years later, and he was released. He forever maintained his innocence until 1945. Bobby done, the boy who was raised as Bobby Dunbar got married, had four kids. So I mean, he lived his life. One of Bobby's granddaughters began an investigation of her own in 1999 and ended in 2004. And authorities announced that the DNA provided that Bobby Dunbar bore that Bobby Dunbar Junior's tests had proved that the child found was Walters and not Robert. So the identity of the child who was identified as
Bobby Dunbar is unknown. So he has yet to not be proven to be Bruce Anderson or anyone else.
That was a lot.
I know. I'm sorry. That's why it was like, I should have just left it at the one you can totally cut all that out. Because and leave it at the one like the story of, of Christina and her son. That's like the most well known one. And there's some other ones, but I mean, they made a movie about that one. And it's also I think, one of the more recent ones in time, so 1900, some of the other ones were like, way later. earlier.
I was about to say, Wait, what? Yeah, way earlier,
sorry, I should have like, pieced these out better. And it's very small print. So I apologize.
No worries. So to close it out. When Sam and Dean are talking in the restaurant and Dean is trying to convince Sam to go to Indiana in order to check out the cases there so he can hook up with Lisa, Sam says, Say Sam says so let me get this straight. You want to drive all the way to Cicero just to hook up with some random chick?
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