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over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get tipsy.
Hello, la. Hey, Burley. I'm going to preemptively apologize to our listeners.
I don't think there's a need to.
I think there is. Okay. I imbibed a little more than usual for this episode, and I'm doing the recap. Please be patient with me. If we get bad reviews on this episode, I'll know why.
All right. Well, the last episode was called hunt hunted. We learned of another guy like St. Sam, who could electrocute people but he was killed off right. In the beginning, he
was killing animals. So I have to say I've said about Yeah, I wasn't sad at all.
And Sam ends up actually meeting a girl who had a dream about him and his death like he usually does, which though I thought that was kind of cool. I've had dreams about him. I bet. I have not yet can't wait. Well, and then we also saw Sam kind of split off from Dean to go do his own thing. Dean was terrified worried about him.
They both contacted Ellen. Ellen gave up the goods to Dean of where Sam was, and somebody else knew where Sam was Gordon Sterling K brown wanted to hunt him down because another demon told him that there was going to be a war coming and these human demons whatever gonna be on hillside, so he wanted to take them out.
I just I want Gordon to be like, Alright, I'm so angry and like, rip his shirt off. That would be nice. Yeah, Hulk style. Yeah, I would have. I would have liked that. I would have liked that too. If he's going to be a bad guy. Like give us Yeah.
You're given me all that. That tension and macho ism. Yeah. Give me some more.
So next time, Gordon, cuz I'm assuming he's gonna be back. Yep. So yeah, I want him to come back and be like, look in
me. strippin Yeah. I'm into it. I'm into it. However, he wasn't he's not a good guy.
I can still look,
we end up seeing this girl that saw Sam's death. Eva her dream basically coming true. After Gordon captures Sam Nope. Just as Dean finds Sam and sees like sees him in the motel. He's okay. He smoothes out of the way he sees the girl Dean's excited for Sam. He's like, Oh, you got a girl in there you sly dog. Well, then Gordon's shooting them out shooting him out of the hotel trying to kill him. Captures Dean ties him up in this house where Ava saw her
dream. And then we end up seeing Sam doing exactly what she's she saw in the dream. However, Gordon told Dean the plan there were two grenades that were going off. Sam was going to get hit a tripwire trying to save Dean. Which wasn't a part of the dream. We just saw Sam dying from a grenade. And we did see two grenades go off. And so we assume for Sam he's dead. But Gordon goes to investigate. Sam's got the better of them gun on his head gun to his head. And they fight. Sam gets the best of
him. Pulls the shotgun on him and Gordon's like do it. Do it. You know your brother thinks you're some angel. Prove me right you're you're this demon that's gonna fight for hell or whatever. And Sam turns the butt of the gun knocks them out. unties Dean. They take off and Gordon. Sounds like I took care of Gordon. No worry. No, he didn't. Gordon comes out of the house guns blazing two guns shooting at them and they run into some bushes. cops show up.
Take Warden down they find his stash of crazy weapons from his El Camino. And then he so Gordon's gone. The boys take off. Sam can't get a hold of Ava. So they go to her house. Find her fiance in bed, throat slash blood everywhere. Sam or I'm sorry Dean find sulfur on the window. So he knows a demon has been there. And then Sam finds Ava's engagement ring on the floor and says Ava we don't know why he's just very worried. I don't know. And that's it.
We find out in this episode he assumes she has been like abducted riot Diem right well get and we didn't talk about a lot last episode but get again we have another tied up Winchester and I just don't know know what to do with myself. Dean was real tied up with Sterling K Brown. Yeah.
What the things that could have happened this
show. It's a doozy. All right, well, this episode was called play things. Now we're going into a very tipsy recap.
I'm sorry, you're gonna be fine.
The episode starts with a sign that I thought said piss point and but it said pure point in and there's a single mother named Susan, who's meeting with we're gonna call him donation Donnie, and donation Dani is there to pick up things that are being donated. He goes up the stairs with her. And we see two children sitting on the stairs. They are not happy that donation Donnie is there. They do not want Danish donation. donnay
taking their toys. And so one of them says Son of a bitch and the other one says Son of a bitch. And when the second one speaks up, Susan, the mom says Hey, watch your mouth. Like I try not to laugh at it. But I do. It's fun. Just like when they flipped when they flipped the bird. Yeah, like one of our baby has their middle finger up for no reason. It's delightful. I just I don't know why I'm sorry. Sorry. Yes. Yes.
Also, we mentioned that this inn is gorgeous. Like, I want to go spend a weekend. Yeah, like it seems like it belongs in England. I loved it. Gorgeous cottage, like just beautiful.
Very pretty. And the mom says so whenever they say son of a bitch. Mom, only schools the second kid and so the second kid says well, Maggie said at first. The mom was just like, okay, crazy, which we find out later. Why? So Dana should not he's there to get these toys. And he ends up falling down the stairs. But what's weird about it is that his head gets spun completely around. Yeah. That's not something that would happen from just like tripping, right?
Yeah. Pull a blood. Yeah. Yeah, it just doesn't. It doesn't look good.
And Susan, of course, finds him and it's just like, screaming. So we already know something shady, is afoot at this point in.
They do show a doll house with Tyler. I think his little girl is tight. The two little girls which we thought were twins.
We just were twins first. Yeah. The real girl is Tyler. Those who thought Yeah, well, people have seen the episode. They're listening to this. The real girl is Tyler. The fake girl is Maggie. Okay, so, Tyler, you did not like that. Did not like what? You didn't like Tyler for a girl's name.
No, it just threw me off. I actually normally really like boys names for girls. I love it. But I just never heard gender norm. Yeah, I just never heard of Tyler for girls. So it kind of threw me at first but then I was like, Okay, I like it. Okay, but anyway, Tyler is in her room playing with this dollhouse, which is magnificent. I mean, I thought my stepsister had a huge dollhouse when we were little, but this thing is like, it probably stood taller than Tyler. And it was it was like
this not even a mansion. It was like a palatial
home somewhere. Well, we find out later. It's an exact replica of the hotel, right? But it's just the
size of it was huge. I was I mean, Tyler's lucky lady or lucky little girl, getting to play with that huge thing. And every room had the furniture in it. And she had each doll and I mean, it was just amazing.
The dolls were fucking creepy. They were all throughout the room. Yeah, there were so many of them. Some of them were life size. Some of them was like small is like Polly Pocket shit. Right? There was variety, variety of sizes.
Like I could handle the dolls that could fit in the dollhouse because they're small like Barbie like, but it's the ones that are like, doll doll real dolls. feet long and look like people and they're creepy. No, but she had a ton of them.
So you would never own a sex doll? No, one of those real life sex dolls? I don't think I would either. I mean not
unless I was like, a real bad.
No judgment, no judgment to anybody who has one. But I would be so scared that it would come alive and kill me and I
still like dolls, which I don't and I had dolls when I was little. I have the girl dolls. Great. But you would want to know where they are now in the attic where they belong. I
had Barbies. And my little ponies. I had a 90210 Brandon Barbie doll. Oh, because my mom cleaned out the attic not too long ago and she was like, Do you want these? And that was one of the things among it.
And you were like give it to me? No, no. Why would I want?
I did think immediately when I saw it. I was like done. I'd done it. Done it done it. Clap clap. Oh, yeah. But no, I didn't keep it. I told my mom she could get rid of it. She robbed I had Ciara figurines and a Shiro couch. I just sell these things. I just sold my I don't know what my mom did with them. Who knows,
probably donated them to like Goodwill or something. Something. Yeah.
I hope you're in a better place, Brandon. Anyway, we leave piss point, and we go to Peoria, Illinois. We see missing posters for Eva Wilson, the psychic from hunted. I love her. I hope she comes back. Yeah, we see her again. I thought she was fun. Sam and Dean have been trying to find Eva. Sam obviously is upset Dean's trying to help him. I don't feel like Dean's too invested in finding Eva. He wants to do it to help Sam. But that's kind of the only vibes
that I got from that. Sam brings up that, hey, this this point in has had a lot of people dying. We should go check it out. You know, just because Ava is missing doesn't mean that we shouldn't go save people if we have the chance to do so.
Yeah. Doesn't he say something like we have to save as many people as we can.
Yes. So it turns out that at the same place that donation Donnie died, there was actually somebody who drowned at a tub in a tub. Not at a tub
at the end. Oops,
at this point in. Yes. Dean kind of pointed this out to Sam. You're not as mopey as I thought you would be after this whole Ava thing. And that's when Sam says, Hey, like demons took Ava. So that's when we find out that at the end of the episode when he picks up the ring and goes Ava, like he's thinking she actually got kidnapped. But he says that doesn't mean we're just going to let more people die. Let's go save the world. Basically, bro. Like, let's go make a difference.
To your point. I feel like that completely leads into the fact that yeah, they're going to sidebar on this job. But they're still going to double back at some point and try and like figure out what happened with Ava. Like I like you said, I think she will be bad.
I think so too. And it also looking back in hindsight, make sense as to why Sam is so upset later on in the episode when somebody else inevitably dies at this end, that he didn't save them. The whole reason He came here is because he thought he could save people. And now more people are dying. So
well. Yeah. And he put like the say, trying to find Eva, you know on the backburner to come here and do that. And so it's like he feels he feels like to two people. And trust me.
Oh, we love you Sammy, Cornwall Connecticut as apparently where his point in is. Sam and Dean arrive. They are standing out in front of it. They thinking it's magnificent. Dean makes a comment that it's kind of like some Scooby Doo shit. He also comments that he loves Daphne. Hey, Dean Winchester. Got a real life redhead right here. Too bad. He's fictional.
Well, I mean, Jen, I like I don't judge Jensen I think married a redhead. Is she a natural redhead? That I don't know. I just assumed but I could be wrong. I am she
is either or other. Whether she is or isn't. She wears the color. Well,
we'll see. And you're not as picky as our other friend who has red hair. She like she did not like to see other people putting on red hair. If it wasn't real, which I get to a certain extent I get it. I used
to be like that before because I whenever I was younger, and I'm sure our friend was the same thing. I actually got bullied for being a redhead.
Which is insane because yeah, it's fucking gorgeous. Whenever I got older
and all of a sudden, it's cool quote unquote. It was a bit of a triggering point that all these people are trying to have red hair. But I've I've personally moved past Yeah. As they're walking up to the hotel they notice and earn planter like thing near the doorway,
which they I think they refer to it later as an urn, and maybe this is my ignorance, but I was like that's a planter.
It's multipurpose. It's a multipurpose planter, or what have you. They notice on the planner that there's this five spot symbol, and they call it at Quinn HKex symbol and conchs quincunx. I don't know. Yeah, no, you're right. You're right, Quinn conks and they said that if it had blood weed, it would be really powerful charm, but they noticed there wasn't any blood weed around. I don't know what blood weed is.
I was thinking the same thing. I was like, What the hell is that?
And that's when I made the note to you that in season one, there would be a lot of scenes where it was predominantly Sam, not always, but it was usually Sam who would explain things. And it would be kind of awkward in the scene because he's explaining things to Dean who obviously knows what they're doing and why but we figured out while they're having this conversation because they're letting the audience know what they're doing and why.
For example, with rock salt in the shotgun And or salt and burn or whatever, that they would have these kind of awkward conversations where it was letting the audience into the purpose of what they were doing. And I pointed out to you, they aren't really doing that in season two.
Well, and I feel like that shows that they're writers gotten a little a little more savvy, like, let the actors you know, do what they do. You don't have to explain it all through the dialogue,
and a trust the audience to figure it out. Exactly. So we kind of noticed we're more responsible this season for figuring out what stuff is why they're doing it, whether it's important or not, which, I guess we'll we'll see if that's a good thing or a bad thing.
Well, I felt like I like it, I I'd rather have some hints than it just be like, laid out for us, you know, now, I think some of the things that they do, like the salt, burning the bones and all that, yeah, probably needed to be explained to us. But every single thing like this now that, like, just, it's like, they're gonna give us little morsels until they get to the real story, I guess.
It's like when you're in college season one was the intro classes where we're having everything spoon fed to us. And now we've upgraded we're in the more advanced classes, they aren't going to spoon feed everything to us anymore.
You didn't know your shit. Yeah. Very good example. I like that.
And luckily, we know some shit by this point. A little bit. I still don't know what the fuck a blood weed is. But it didn't seem to be important by the end of the episode, so it's fine. Sam and Dean go in to this point in. And they're checking in with the owner. It's not his point.
I know. Your point. He's saying it and I'm laughing every time but I thought you were doing it on purpose.
Pierpoint, PeerPoint, PeerPoint PeerPoint in and they check in to the front desk. Susan is there she is who owns everything. She's the mom that was scolding the kids at the beginning that we talked about earlier. She's adorable. We like Susan, she seems a little waspy. But that's okay. We're not going to hold it against her. She is checking in slash checking out Sam and Dean. She asks them if they're there to do antiquing. And they just kind of say, Why would you ask? And she said, Oh,
you just look the type. Then she asks them if they would like one king bed in their room? And they say no, no, no, we want two beds. We're brothers. And she says, Oh, very flustered. I'm so sorry. And Dean says, What did you mean when you said we look the type. So yet again, we have some wins test References going on here, which only gets better as the episode goes on. Let me tell you there's a scene later on that is quintessential when zest fuel Yes, so to speak.
One I just like Dean's face when he asked me to you could tell he was like, Well, wait a minute, like what? Why did you ask us that
he was very concerned. Also on the way to the room. Sherwin is a character that they made, which is this old guy at the end. And he reminded me of when we go to Jefferson, Texas, and we met the time and measurement museum guy, the person like just this old man that you could just say one word, and it's going to trigger them telling you 30 minutes worth of stories, which I love character we
love. Like, I love that. I know some people might not but like, I just I think I'll remember that guy forever. And I want to go see him again. Yes, but it's just that that kind of knowledge and like we should always respect our elders, and they know so much more than us and to hear their stories is that's history like you're learning something from them always.
Which comes up later in the episode. Well, we'll touch more on that whenever it comes in. So Sherwin helps Sam and Dean to their room before they have the compensating quit conversation. And he is dragging their big ass duffel bag, which we as viewers know is filled with shit like shotguns. rocksalt blades, who knows what else and he's just dragging it up the stairs. And Sam and Dean say hey, we can help you with that. He's like no, I got it. I
got it. He drops them off at their room and just holds out his hand for a tip Sam and Dean both kind of look at him and he just says you're not going to cheap out on me now are you boy which he calls them boy the whole episode I love it kind of love it and then they have the whole conversation where Sam questions DS masculine Are you compensating for something brah
Yeah, that big that fancy car that leather jacket that walk
that Chen? Oh wait, I might be going off into but different. Ah, Dean Winchester, you can compensate me anytime. Also, while they're in their hotel room getting settled in, they talk about the different victims who have passed away and the end, and they're speculating who might be at fault here who
is doing this? Who do magic that they've seen with the Quinn conks symbol at the door, which reminds me they did find out when they were checking in that they might be the final guests at the hotel, because it is selling in the next few weeks. This is kind of all adding up to there suspecting that someone doesn't want the hotel to sell. And they're using hoodoo magic to try and stop it. So that's where Sam and Dean's minds are.
And they're trying to figure out who could potentially be performing the hoodoo magic. Their first suspicion at this point is Sherwin because he seems to be the most attached to the hotel. He has all these stories. He has all this history from the hotel.
Want to make sense? I mean, he's the oldest he's, he's been there since before Susan.
Which speaking of Susan, after they have their little discussion in the hotel room, they go to visit the private quarters in the inn. And that's where Susan lives with her family. She's got her daughter and her. Is it her grandmother or is it her mom?
It's her mom. It's Tyler's grandmother.
Okay. Sam and Dean go and knock knock knock on the private door, and they talk to them. They open the door and they look in the room and they see there are all these creepy dolls. There's the giant dollhouse that LA was talking about earlier. They kind of start commenting on hey, this isn't creepy at all.
This is where you live? Weirdos. Yes.
And Susan comments that oh yeah, I guess it could look kind of creepy. Kinda. As they're speaking with Susan, they noticed that one of the dials at the base of the stairs has their head turned around completely, just like donation Donny, who we saw at the very beginning of the episode, then Tyler the daughter slash granddaughter runs in and Sam asks Tyler, the little granddaughter did you do this to the doll? And Tyler says no, I
didn't do that. Then Susan, the mom starts talking about her mother talking about how she's sick and refuses to take visitors. So now they have a second suspect. And the whole thing that they know that this grandmother Rose, who she maybe she's a witch, maybe she's the one who doesn't want it to be sold. So now we've got Sherwin and Rose, who are potentially the whodunits.
Tyler does mention After Sam asked her about the doll with the head twisted that her grandmother would be upset if one of her dolls was broken, and actually does
end up being important at the very, very, very, very end of the episode. Yeah, that all of these dongles belong to Grandma Rose. Meanwhile, Susan is checking in a new guest. And we find out this is a realtor who has come up from the company that actually bought PeerPoint in she's asking him what kind of renovations they're planning and he tells her Oh, you'd have heard. We're bulldozing this whole place, which again,
it's gorgeous. I was gonna say it's such a shame because if anybody came in there with real money, like they could just shine the place up, updated a little like, take that wedding dress of the boy's room down off the wall. Because it's fucking creepy.
Now the next scene, I loved this shit. I think I even I think it was another me hitting you moment because I loved it. It shows Tyler playing with her dolls and a T set in front of the dollhouse. Yes. And we've learned the dollhouse, again, is an exact replica of the hotel, we see that there was a doll sitting on the bed in one of the rooms, one of the guest rooms. And then it shows us that that same room is where the realtor has been just been let in and he is sitting on his bed.
And it keeps doing this cutting back and forth to the doll house and the guest room with the realtor letting us see that the same thing is happening in both rooms at the same time. I personally thought this was cool as hell I like
was Yeah, well, and I saw him sitting on the bed in the dollhouse. And then when he was in his room and started loosening his times, like oh, no, no, no, no. I didn't think they would actually show it in the dollhouse. Yes,
I loved it. They showed the fake door in the dollhouse started to open first and then it showed the realtor in his room and the door behind him was open. It was so fucking cool. Long story short, the realtor ends up hanging himself from the ceiling fan in the room,
which I thought it was gonna be from his tie, but it was like a belt or something. No, it was like a, an extension cord like, Oh, is that what it was like a big thing on it. I forget what it's called like a with multiple plugs. Power bar. Yeah, it was like a power bar next to him that he had. It was like the power bar right by him, wrapped around his neck. And then on the fan. I thought it was a belt. I I thought it was gonna be as tight. He surprised us all.
But this whoever directed this. I loved the back and forth between the dollhouse and the actual room. Yeah, I loved it. It was very cool. Yeah. After it shows him hanging from the fan. It cuts the block. And it cuts back to ambulances there to get the body. So he's been discovered at this point. And that's being taken care of. Dean had gone down to check on Susan get the details for what was
going on, get the deal. Get the 411 and he comes back up to his room where Sam is sitting there and has apparently within the time that Dean has been gone. gotten completely wasted. Y'all. I'm sorry to bring it up again. But I know it exists. Okay. So for all you wind says shippers out there. I'm sure this episode is one of your favorites. Because the scene that happens when Dean gets back to the room. If I was a wind sesh shipper, this would be one of my favorite episodes is I'm saying?
Oh, well, can we talk about how we thought he was possessed first?
Oh, we did. We did think that at first because Dean walks in and the camera is focused on Dean. Sam has the the background and he doesn't even sound like Sam normally sounds when he's first talking. So we thought he was possessed by whatever was haunting the hotel at first. But that is not the case. He's just drunk off his ass. Then he's talking about how he couldn't save everybody. And he's really
upset. Which again, makes sense, because he's already upset that he didn't save Eva, he really wanted to come do this case because he wanted to save people. I'm talking a lot with my hands right now. Please forgive me. And now it was with me. And now somebody else has died. And so he's talking to Dean about how if he breaks bad, Dean has to promise him that he's going to kill him. And they're having this very serious conversation for at
this point. I mean, he moved from me and a chair from like, just wobbly talking to Dean. And he's moved over deeds like, am I wrong, Dean? Like, put them deeds like end and decode a bet. He puts them in bed and then Sam goes on this.
Yes, that's what Sam says. You have to promise me. You promise me that if I break bad, you're gonna kill me. And Dan says, Okay, fine, I promise. And then Sam inexplicably reaches up and grabs Dean's face. And if I didn't know about the winds tests thing going into this, I don't know that I would pick on it pick up on it as much as I did. But knowing it going into this episode, I immediately was just like, Oh my God. See, I
saw different I was like, he grabbed his face, just to say like, and he's like, thank you. And I took him just being brotherly and being like, thank
you. It seemed very needy and desperate the way he grabbed him.
I mean, I think there's just brothers in love that you know, no, and I don't even think like in that way. They just just really love each other.
I hear you. I'm just saying that for people who are wind says shippers. I see it. Yes. Yeah, I don't agree with it. I myself and nada was sub shipper. I'm not gonna go looking at fanfics tomorrow, but I'm just I see where the inspiration came from. Oh, yeah, absolutely. 100% right. They've talked to them for
Yeah, that's why this this. This seat came up. I was like, Oh. All right. I mean, come on, guys.
I mean, it was desperate. The way that Sam grabbed Dean space in my opinion, and Dean just took his hands was like, Okay, go to bed. And what does Sam do? He immediately crawls over rolls over onto his tummy ass up, arching his back
kind of puts his butt up in there a little bit. A little bit scenting
Yes. But in a way, that's awful. So Dean, after being highly tempted, decides he has to go downstairs and go get a drink. So he leaves feeling as though tell room and goes down to the bar, and who happens to be the bartender It sure when the old man, as Dean is talking with him, he says something about really wanting old stories or something like that. And Sherwin says, Don't ever say something like that to an old
man boy. He takes Dean through the gallery of pictures throughout this hotel, telling him all kinds of stories about everything. And while he's telling him that he happens to show a picture of Rose, who is the grandma that we've heard reference, but we haven't actually met with her is her nanny. It's a picture of her as a kid like she I wouldn't say she was maybe 12 years old at max. Yeah, probably closer to 10. And she's with this nanny who happens to have a symbol. I think they said it was a
necklace. I can't tell if it was a necklace, or it was actually ordered on her on her apron, right? Yeah. Okay. But it's the same Quinn cooks symbol that we saw earlier. Whenever they first arrived at the hotel and we're talking about the urn or the planner or whatever you want to call it.
When did they mention that? She's like a Creole nanny? I know it's been.
I did not take that note.
Okay. I'll just whatever.
The next morning, we see Dean going into the bathroom and catching Sam, in the midst of, let's say, recuperating, from his binge drinking the night before
I would say like hurling that's not recovering. That's a really that was
hogging the toilet. Yeah. And Dean taught him a little bit, but he also lets him know about the information that he found out after he had put Sam to bed. telling him about roses nanny and the again like like I said, they said necklace in the episode, but I agree with you in the picture. It looks like it was on the apron.
Well on maybe I mistook it. It was like a necklace that just looked like it was embroidered looks like
it was on the apron. I agree. I agree with you that it looks like it was an embroidery are a symbol on the apron. But they did say necklace in the episode, whatever. She had the symbol on her. Who cares? Who cares? So Sam and Dean decide, You know what, when did it go try and visit rose, they go back to the private suite. They knock gently on the door. And when no one answers, they do what Winchester is do they break and
enter. Once they get into the creepy doll room, they walk around and they find these stairs that lead up to this attic room. And they find Grandma Rose in this room. We've seen shots of her periodically throughout the episode. But nothing very clear where we could really see what her situation was. Once they get up there and actually get in front of her. Sam comes to the conclusion that she's had a stroke. So this isn't this isn't
our guy. This isn't the person who is performing these spells you have to be able to move in order to perform these spells and she is obviously not in that condition. As they're coming to this conclusion, Susan comes in and finds them and she's pissed. She tells them I'm gonna I'm gonna call the cops if you guys don't go off this property. So she kicks out the Winchesters and they have to leave Pierpoint in.
But do they? Course not.
They have a case to solve LA. However, in the meantime, Susan is telling her daughter do you need to pack up Tyler pack up your shit. Tyler says Maggie doesn't want us to leave. And that's when the fucking other shoe drops. And we find out Maggie is an imaginary friend or so we think that she's an imaginary friend.
Well, right because that's what mom says right Susan?
Yes. Susan says Goddamnit Tyler, Maggie is the real. So go pack up your shit because we're leaving. Things start to click together. Because whenever we first saw Maggie and Tyler the beginning with the son of a bitch thing. We totally thought that they were both sisters and they both lived there. We didn't realize Maggie wasn't real. In hindsight, it makes sense. Because all the conversations revolved around Tyler Maggie was hardly ever brought up unless the little girl mentioned her.
They handled the Maggie thing very well.
Yeah, I was I had no idea.
I didn't see it coming. Yeah, whatever. She said, Man, he's not real. You and I both went Oh shit. Oh no, this is Maggie thing. We see Susan packing up shit. She's moving boxes out to her old Mercedes. And we also see Tyler yet again. In front of the big ass creepy doll house, there's a playground next to the doll house and the swings on the swing set, start
swinging. Cut to outside. Sure enough, there's a playground next to the hotel, we see the bushes are moving, there's wind blowing, and that starts causing the swings to move. And it's very eerie. We know something ominous is coming. Something bad is about to happen. Sherwin was driving by in his truck, the the old man who was telling Dean stories and everything. I was very concerned something was about to happen to Sherwin. But nothing happened to shore when he left the property. pieced out
sure one's good. Something was about to happen to Susan, the mom. She starts walking toward the swings and the seesaw set that are moving of their own accord. Which Susan Why the fuck would you do that?
Right? Yeah, no, I wouldn't go right here it
anyway, her Mercedes was about to take off and take her out. But who came out of nowhere, Sam Winchester. HRC did tackled her out of the way. So Sam saved her life, just like he wanted to do. And then Sam and Dean sit her down. They basically are like, we don't have time to go over everything with you. But we're just letting you know there's some crazy shit going on at your end. CliffsNotes I think for the Cliff's Notes version, because Susan didn't want to believe
them. They let her know. Listen, your car just tried to kill you. Okay, that's all you need to know, get with the program, get on our page, some weird shit is going on. During this conversation, they ended up finding out that rose, Grandma Rose had a stroke about a month ago. And the Winchester brothers put things together that rose must have put the symbols everywhere because they've seen them periodically throughout the end, in order to repel a spirit that she wasn't causing the
problems. She was actually trying to prevent them. And since she had had her stroke, she wasn't able to maintain things as she had done before. And so this spirit was now able to be active and start causing problems on the property again, which kudos to you for putting that together boys right smartass. Winchesters. As they are talking, they ended up bringing up her daughter's plural Tyler and Maggie. And Susan informs them I only have one daughter, Tyler, Maggie's
imaginary, she's not real. So they figure out that Maggie is the spirit that the grandma was trying to protect everybody from and she has attached herself to Tyler she's going after the kid. Next they try and go find Tyler who is off in this other beautiful section. It's an outdoor pool under a beautiful kind of almost like a greenhouse just yeah gorgeous pool house
area. And Maggie is trying to get Tyler take a dive and basically in her own life so that she is stuck at the end forever with Maggie because Maggie doesn't want to be alone. Whenever Sam Dean and Susan all show up at the pool house banging on the door trying to get in there to help Tyler Mackey's bitch ass pushes Tyler into the pool, which has this covering on it. So as she falls in, she can't get her bearings. She can't get her feet underneath her she can't swim.
And unfortunately, she's taking in water and getting sick. So Sam is trying to break into the door. Dean and Susan run around to the other side. But we knew it. We knew it when we were watching the episode that Sammy was going to be the one to save her. So he picked up a planner, he banged it against the glass shattered the glass jumped in and pulled her out of the pool. And we got to see a nice scene where Sammy and Slo Mo is jumping out of the water saving
a kid. And it was very reminiscent of Season One dead in the water. When Dean jumped in the water to save a kid. Slow Mo water everywhere, mirroring each other, whatever. I don't know if that has any meaning but we we remember them nested when we saw it. Yeah. While they are saving Tyler Maggie just disappears. Here's somebody calling her name and she just goes away. And it turns out that Grandma Rose when she was a little girl at this hotel was
friends with Maggie. And so Grandma Rose tells Maggie if you leave my family alone, you can have me I will be the one who stays here with you forever. It was sad.
I mean, yeah, it's sad but like at the same time, like, sweet of her to do that for her family.
After all of this has subsided, you know, Grandma roses, little girl, she somehow reverts to being a little girl again so that Maggie can have a little girlfriend to play with in the hotel. We see Sam and Dean saying goodbye to Susan. And she hugs Sam. And just lays her head against his chest closes her eyes. Yeah. She enjoyed that hug. Yeah, I would have to. And as they're leaving, Sam and Dean are walking away from the cab where Susan and Tyler have gotten into and
driven off. Dean tell Sam, you could have gotten some mill faction. Which you know what, the way she hugged him. Dan's not wrong.
Yeah. She, you know, hopefully do.
Who knows how long she's been living in that hotel with just sure when Tyler and her grandma as they get into the Impala, Sam said, Hey, about last night, and I got really excited. Because I thought Sam was gonna say thank you for not taking advantage of me like but they just talk about how what did they even say? No, you remember?
They just talked about how Sam was drunk. But what he said he meant like that. If somebody you know comes to it, Dean's gonna have to kill him. If he turns to the dark side,
the camera goes through the hotel and it shows little girl rose playing with little girl Maggie ghost wise. In some room there like skipping rope or something? Yeah, that pan up and show that one of the dolls looks exactly like Maggie. And back in season one. provenance we heard that old antique dolls were actually made to look like exact
replicas of little girls. And they would even use the little girl's hair or whatever in order to make the doll right so this one doll is what they needed to have burned or salt and burned in order to get rid of the Spirit. But because there were so many fucking dolls, there was no way for them know that. I thought that was interesting that they let us know that they should panned up and showed this doll is the problem. This is what needs to be salt and burned. Yeah, but obviously the
guys never got that far. In that case.
Again, I'm curious to see if that comes up later.
We'll see. We'll see. I thought this was a fun episode.
I just like drunk Sam.
Maybe I Oh, I love drunk Sam. Drunk. Sam is adorable. I love drunk Sammy. Anyway, that was the episode called play things. It was a mess. I'm sure No, I it was good. No gore. Obviously we were just dealing with the Spirit.
Know that? I think the most score was the guy at the beginning of the donation. Danny. Oh, yeah, it was gonna pull blood. Yeah.
Well, this head spin around backwards. That was the goriest thing to happen. Yeah. And that only showed for like a few seconds. Right? What about the lower
was a lower? I figure we were going to talk about who do since that was what Sam referenced with the five point Quinn, Quinn conchs. Quinn, the quincunx. There is this person, I'm probably going to get the name wrong. Don, yay, or Donya. Do Nye, they wrote for cosmopolitan an introduction to who do they dabbled in a lot of various spiritual practices. But they discovered hoodoo and said
that it changed their life. It provided a connection to their spiritual self that they hadn't found in a mainstream witchcraft. And gave them the tools to handle directly handle the issues that come up in their life, like money, relationships, stress and landlords. Because who do doesn't have the barriers that many magical practices have? They just, they're just the work and how you use it up is up to you who grounds a person and helps them find peace
in troubling times. And they tried this in 2020 which is like the ideal time to try find those things. They start out with that who obviously isn't new. We've all heard it. It's not a catch all term for a variety of practices, which I this this is my ignorance because I always thought hoodoo and voodoo went together. hoodoo is actually its own practice with its own rules in history. And the practice that they do. It's not called spells, but its work and chores.
It's also been appropriated by many people and a lot of misinformation has gone on about it. At its core, it's an African American tradition. It was created by enslaved people from various spiritual practices that they adapted to the land and found themselves in. So it's, it's known by other names mainly conjure or work, conjure or root work. People who practice hoodoo work with a number of tools like candles, curios, roots, herbs, ancestor veneration is
particularly important. A lot of movies show that hoodoo is like dark and harmful, but most of it is really connected with healing and protection, which makes sense if it came from a sleep culture. They mentioned that there's a lot of confusion about hoodoo voodoo, which I said like I was ignorant of to until I read this voodoo, which actually is spelled in a lot of different
ways. It's like vo Tao he ODOU vu, though do Do you Do you and vote on which do you do n. But Buddha was an actual religion. And it's commonly thought that it originated in Haiti, and it has roots in Western Africa. And it's a spiritual traditions. And since it's a religion, they have specific practices, and they have people who are ordained to perform them, like priests. They have a set of deity spirits, and they worship them and they are
highly respected. I guess I always thought they were kind of connected. And it was like, spiritual plus religion together. But I did not know they were completely separate. hoodoo voodoo.
I didn't either. Until recently. Yeah. I googled whenever I was researching one of our more recent episodes, I actually was seeing like Papa legba, and all these other kinds of things that there might be similarities, but they aren't the same thing necessarily. Yeah, I found that out with hoodoo and voodoo that like hoodoo is a practice. And Voodoo is a religion,
right? Who obviously does not have the deities and spirits. They're not worshipping people. There is a belief in spirits and life and life giving energies, but they have no specific gods or a certain God that you must follow. You're free to worship any gods that you would want to have any other religion, which I like, is very nice. But there's no organized hierarchy. They just don't have specific structures like
religion. It's not just like a staunch strict religion of where you're supposed to keep your beliefs and prayers. So hoodoo is based in as I said, Africa is dysphoria. And it should only be practiced by black people. It was it was developed originally to protect and heal them from traumas of enslavement. And you can see this in the routes use for traveling safely and container works used for protecting the home against physical violence winning a court case or being overlooked
by the law. Now, this their journey that they talked about, they started out with a honey jar. And they weren't looking for anything in particular, but they stumbled upon a short article by Stephanie rose bird in an almanac and she outlined how to make a small honey jar. Fill it with honey curios, herbs, meant to sweeten a situation or a person and work at dawn yay, Dawn Donya. I wish I knew her the name right? Only Donnie. Donnie, I'm not gonna even try. I'm just gonna Doni
Doni only. So they weren't expecting anything but they said sat down wrote their intentions. And over a few days, they slowly gathered bits and pieces for their personal jar with this honey and everything in it. And when they had everything they needed, they put it together and lit their first candle. And to their surprise, they felt kind of instantly at peace and oddly accomplished. They said that they hadn't done much but engaging in the process itself produced a connection reaction
that they weren't expecting. And they wanted to seek out more. So before they knew it, they had an altar set up candles and various colors just waiting for us. They quickly learned that there are many fraudulent people who call themselves root workers and conjure doctors. In fact, they said a lot of names that when you Google who do or have white people who often are accused of, of cultural appropriation and not trusted by the community, rightfully so.
Were any of those names Winchester? No,
no. I mean, I didn't look it up they did. But they she, they mentioned that they really had to look hard to find resources they could trust, which is what led them to bird and her books of sticks, stones, roots and bones, as well as historical texts like Zora Neale Hurston who do in America. And they also found Mojo workin by Katrina hazhar Donald, which kind of talks about all of the history of the practice, there are plenty of ways to work it for general causes safety, healing.
And some of the best ways to begin are to just get in touch with your ancestors through an altar. And they suggest that looking for a practical and like very simple way to get started is birds book of 365 days of hoodoo, that is a hands on guide to immersing yourself in the practice of hoodoo. So it's really just like a practice of spirituality and believing in your ancestors and calling upon
them and everything. So I I liked that because I just was ignorant and totally associated with the hoodoo with Vudu.
One criticism I will have is that nothing literally nothing in this story. The episode prevented them from having the family that owned the hotel being black. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, why did it have to be just a black maid who taught this white little girl who do?
Yeah. Who was it a picture? Not even in like a not even a character? Yeah,
it could have just been a black family. That's Hotel. Yeah. I think that these days show runners are more conscientious of things. Yeah, that I mean,
this is like a perfect example of what they were saying like, no white person should be practically practicing this. But the show was full of white people. Yeah. And a picture of one black person.
And nothing, nothing. Literally nothing in the story was preventing it from just being a black family hotel instead to be accurate. So if this if this show would have been done today, I would hope that it would have been a black family. Yeah, yeah. And the hotel. Yeah, that's my only criticism though. Everything else was so fun. Particularly the drunk Sam Hotel. So
yeah, that was the best part. It
was so good.
He's so cute. Love it.
So to close it out. We have a quote. They get into the hotel room and Dean says, of course, the most troubling question is, why did these people assume we're gay?
Sam says, Well, you are kind of Butch. They probably think you're overcompensating which seems very troubled, but
she does not like it. He did not like it at all. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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