Lucifer Rising (4x22)

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La Hello murli All right before we dig into the finale, because Damn these past you,

I feel like I should watch it again because I was taking so many notes I'm sure I missed you. Were

you were you were writing I feel like the entire time. Yeah, okay, but last episode, Dean and Bobby had to lock Sam in Bobby's panic room so he could detox from the demon blood. However, as more and more seals get broken, Bobby and Dean start kind of debating whether or not keeping Sam locked up is the right thing to do. When they have this impending apocalypse

I'm just gonna preface this that my stomach is growling so bad. So I hope it doesn't. I hope you can't hear the recording.

I hope we can.

Okay,

it'll add to the tension of the episode.

So season finale, it is called Lucifer rising, which I was like, Oh, we started the season with Lazarus rising, ending with Lucifer rising.

up again. Yeah,

it was the 22nd episode. It aired on May 14 2009. So we start out we are in 1972 at St. Mary's convent and Maryland, Maryland. Anyway, and we see that there is a priest, he's giving a sermon or something. Like he's like, blah, blah, blah. Because I don't think that's correct.

Well, when it first saw started, we saw him like setting everything up and he got possessed. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, like reason I remembered is because I was so confident and be like, Oh, it's Lola. I was so confident that I knew exactly what was going on. And I was wrong. Yep. I was not correct.

Well, he's somebody. Yeah. But yeah, he's so he gets possessed, then he's doing a sermon and inserting blah, blah, blah. And the sermon, which I thought was funny, he starts talking about how he's been looking for his father. He feels like he's been in a desert looking for him for years. And as he's as he's saying, This he's walking toward the doors, he locks the doors, so you know, shits about to go down. He continues talking about his father and he says that his daddy was once an angel to, you

was quite the intro. It really well. Yeah, it's poor. No.

Well, no, I could go on about that. But nevermind. So next up, we see Sam and Ruby there at some weird old house and like a field. She actually is like, Hey, Sam, you know, that wasn't right. What Dean said he had no right to say it. But I was surprised by this. Sam was like, No, he was right to say it. Like he's, he's right. And he mentioned that he can feel that Dean was right, he's changed like, he's not the same like you can feel it inside him.

Says that drooling which over which one? Sam over evil sound my words. Just your words. Yeah.

All right. Then we're back at Bobby's, and Dean is thinking it's too late. And Sam you know, Sam Nugent never really wanted to be a part of this family. He never wanted to go into this. I mean, that's, you know, he made his choice. This is this is it. It's over. And Bobby is not having it.

I see Bobby episode two.

I was surprised. I was like, I could tell he was getting pissed. Like you said he was breathing really heavy. Yeah. And he was getting pissed. Paul Dean was saying all this bullshit, literally, like he just does a drama move and throws everything off his desk.

Who are you an angel, Bobby?

And he's like, I'm I'm tired of hearing this bullshit. He's like, Don't you know that family is supposed to make you miserable, which I thought was hilarious. Then he tells them he sounds like his dad sounds like a coward. Yeah, he did not like. And he says that John was one that pushed Sam away did exactly what you did. And he was too much of a coward to go and go and tell them you know, he did love them and wants them around. So he's trying to encourage him like, don't make the same

He said, You're a better man there Dad. Yes. So quit trying to be like him.

So this was a transition. Oh, cool. Trent. Like he's after Bobby tells him all this. He turns around and looks at Bobby's window. And then as he turns back around to what we think is gonna be Bobby. He actually is in a completely different room. It was so alone. Yeah. Which I thought was a church at first because it had paint like the white and the paintings, religious paintings and look like, but it more so looked like just like a room in a museum. Yeah, you know, I loved

so they Dean's looking out Bobby's window. He turns around, they pan around. And you see they're in this big white room. And as they pull back, suddenly, we're looking over Castile shoulder. That's right. Yeah. It was just the transition. I would love to know how they did that. Was that on a handheld? Was that just one shot? Was that edited together? was really well done?

I can't remember what they talked about. But Zachariah shows up. And that's right. Yeah. And he just tells Sam that or he tells Dean that they're, they're just keeping him safe there. They've got a bucket of beers there for him a pile platter of burgers, and he just needs to sit in this room. Chill out and wait till it's time. And then you know, they'll come. We'll come for him. When the time's right. That's all we

which we learned about last episode was this chef who essentially obtains babies, yes.

But Sam samen Ruby corner and something and got slammed against the wall. And they they are going to take her hostage basically, to which you were right. They want to drain her to get the strength as Sam needs to kill.

Well, the thing that came up at some point that surprised me was Ruby said something about how old like we haven't done this before. Yeah, I was like, Oh, shit. They've been draining demon's blood before. Like, I assumed he's just been taking a little bit from Ruby here and there. Yikes.

Well, I wonder if him like detoxing a little bit, made him kind of be himself again and get a little bit of a conscience again, maybe, you know,

maybe, but like, she was just like, like, we haven't done this before. And I was like, Yeah, God. So how many people and then the other thing that came up at one point, which if I'm getting ahead of head of you, let me know. The other thing that came up at one point was Ruby made a comment about how like, when you're when you're slashing a demon with the knife, there's a person in there, and that hasn't bothered

Yeah. Who knows? me a lot. Could be a few. Wait, oh, no, no, no. But suddenly Sam has a conscious conscience again about it. Yeah, I don't know where so he's apparently been killing people and drinking them this whole time. It's in game time. And he's, he's like, oh, you know what? I'm a little worried about it again. I don't want to do it now. Yeah. Yeah. Not comfortable with it. Even though I've done a bunch apparently. Oh, me who? Were back in the room with Dean Zachariah and

There were some Star Star Trek jokes in the past episodes to which I'm like, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. I

meant to write the one down that Ruby said I forgot.

There was I heard something about a Vulcan something about the holodeck, like plenty of Star Wars or Star Wars Star Trek jokes. Yeah, good stuff, good stuff.

They inform Diem that there's only one seal left at this point, which is crazy. This final seal is going To be different because it has to be broken by Lilith. They are going to need Dean when the time comes and Dean's getting a little argumentative and Zachariah reminds him You swore obedience. So be obedient. If we go back and forth a bunch in this one too, so I feel like I'm like bouncing around. But it's really the way it was the way the

Give power back to the vessel. So yeah. And it was sad to the actress did well, yes. Switching between the two personas also.

Then we're back with a priest and we see that the nuns are scattered everywhere. Yeah, back in somebody's back in 72. He is praying to His Father asking for him. You know, he's done what you want me to do? Where are you at, bro? One of the dead nurses start speaking and it's his daddy talking to him.

All these daddy issues to say iZl. Dean sounds Joe. It's a lot.

It is

crypkey Who hurt you?

His daddy tells him that he needs to find Lola and that he needs to find a child a special child.

I assume the rest of that conversation was like, hey, gotta find a special child. You know what? Find like 10 feed them your blood. And then wait 20 years

long. A long game plan game. Yeah.

But if you're immortal, is it long? True? Yeah. 20 years probably isn't that long. If you're immortal. Yeah.

Good point. Well, then we're back with salmon Rui. And Sam has found an article on this situation where this priest killed all these nuns.

This is the convent that the chef nurse mentioned.

And he once again he's He's like, he's not sure about taking this particular demon chef, Nurse lady. And he's like, go find another demon. Yeah, just find another one. Which is so weird. Like, what's, what's the difference? And that's a Yeah, that's when we mentioned that they've done it before. Yeah. Then we see Dean and the fancy little room and he is just just for shits and giggles pushes a little angel statue over to break off the table.

He's got to get his anger out somehow. Yeah, but he's being held hostage by these Angel angels. Yeah. So he's gonna go destroy all the angel art.

Well, Cass shows up again. And Dean wants him to take him to Sam. And Cass is like, not a good idea. You know, not gonna happen. And Dean's like, well, what's stopping me like, why? I can't go anywhere. I'm trapped here. Casas, like No, you go wherever you want. Just not to say Dana's like what would watch me and he like, goes toward the door, but then it just disappears.

He's like, I'm gonna leave and Cass's. Like through what door. And then it goes away.

We're back with Sam again being conflicted about killing this demon. Ruby. As you can tell Ruby, this is where I feel like Ruby started to break a little. She's like, I mean, we're gonna follow through this right? We're gonna go through with our plan because she's a little concerned with Sam changing his mind to Galaga in

hindsight, you can see that she's like, egging him on trying to get him there.

Sounds like no, we're gonna do we're gonna do it. Back with Dean. He's trying. He's trying to beat down a door with one of the statues or through the wall. No, there's no door anymore. Zacharias shows up this time. And he told me he told him again. You can't see Sam. And it's not little if that you're going to be stopping. Lulu is going to break the seal. We like they want her to do this. And they never wanted to stop Sam. Like this. This is all gonna play out. They wanted it this

saccharine is like the ends justify the means is what I'm getting at. And I love Kurt Fuller's performance of it just very Oh yeah, nonchalant nonchalant about the whole thing. Like, just It's fine. It's fine, bro. Like, it's cool. Just calm down. Chill out. Have a burger. Have a beer.

Yeah. What happened? And he always says Sam obviously has his part to play even if he needs a little nudging to get there. And Dean still has a vital part. They just love some details out.

Yeah. Need to tell him everything.

It's not a big deal, bro. Yeah, the real plan they can tell him now is that Dean's job is to stop Lucifer. Not Lilith. Dean's pissed, obviously. And he's he says, you know, where's God and all this? And Zechariah says, God, God left the building. Just like Elvis.

You checked out? Yeah.

Then we're back at the the convent but present day not 1972 and Lilith is there. There's a security guard looking around. She shows up behind him

is the dental hygienist again, by the way? Yes. Yes. So let's really liked that vessel she did after Sam decided okay, I'm not gonna have sex with you. And they just left her unconscious body on the floor. And that one episode? Yeah. I guess Lilith went back and got her or did she become conscious and try to go back to work and try to resume her normal life and then Lilith was just like, I liked this one. So I'm gonna go. Who knows? Like, I'm just gonna go take her again. Poor dental

That's a rough life. Yeah, she kills a security guard.

I liked her dress though.

She does look for Yeah, fabulous. Fabulous. She

dressed up for the occasion. She

did all white of course. Uh huh.

It's our wedding day.

Oh, back with Dean. He's on a cell phone trying to call Sam again. On cast tells him Kessler, Oregon. And he's like, Dude, you're out. You can't No calls are happening and where you're at right now. You're out of rain. Yeah. And he wants to say sorry. Dean tells him he needs a bigger word than sorry, bro. And Dean dean. And it sounds like a coin machine when he punches them. And he like he punches him in like pretty much twirls around and then is it like just so much pain with his hand

whereas Casio whenever he got punched, just basically looked to the side. Yeah, it was looked back like it was nothing. It didn't affect Casio at all. And Dean just turned around and was like clearly trying to hold back her saying like it clearly hurt him so badly. Yeah. And we come back in this scene to Cassiel trying to not look at Diem. Oh, yes. And I loved that Dean forced him to because that's been ongoing throughout

And so Cass proceeds to tell him that you know why? What's the problem? All he sees in this on this earth is pain. What is there to save? You know, once this is all over dean will be at peace after Dean says no, that's not what he wants. He doesn't want to be a Stepford bitch and Paradise. And that he'll take the pain and he'll take Sam as is he doesn't care. Like he'd rather have that he doesn't want your paradise and all the shit that comes with it.

He said, You can take your paradise and stick it up your lily white ass he did.

And he tells cast that he knew he was going to warn him before he went to Bible. He was dragged back to bible camp. He says yeah, so yeah, he wants he's expecting cast to help him in the end, like, get him out of here. Like, help me do what I need to do. And Cass is like I can't can't do it. And Dean is like, we're done. Dramatically. Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, he walks off in good.

Done back turn to him.

We're back with Ruby and Sam. And you can tell she's getting impatient with them. Which I don't know why we didn't. How did we not notice?

I'm still upset that my theory didn't pan out.

I know. I kept waiting for that to happen.

I did too. I kept waiting for it to be revealed that this was the same demon who had Meg and that she's been the one all along since Season Two trying to get them to this point. It made so much sense in my brain. I know. But not the case.

But it wasn't good theory. I thought I like I said I was like okay, any anytime. I was

like thinking 100% as things were going on, like any minute now any minute, especially when she was making her speech. I really thought it was gonna get revealed. I was like ready to jump up and be like, I do it. And it just never happened.

I mean, you were kind of On the nose a little about it just a little bit.

Yeah, I was wrong that like, I thought that it was the same demon who has been working with Azazel this whole time and turns out this was just a different team and who had like its own side mission, but Sam does finally agree. Yeah, go kill the chef nurse. Yeah, he's

like stopped. Well, he's stalling and rubbish, getting impatient. But then he flips his phone open and listens to his voicemail. Yeah. Which is crazy, because I was like, Oh, here we go. It's gonna be a sweet moment. He's gonna hear that sweet voicemail from Dean. But no, those motherfuckers I still don't get it. Yeah,

that's my whole thing. Was it because Ruby's smirking. Yeah. So it makes you think, even if she didn't do it, she knew. But who actually did it? Because at this point, everybody, the angels and the demons are pushing for this to happen. So who changed the voicemail? Because Dean didn't say any of that awful stuff that was on the voicemail, right?

He's like, you monster I should have. I should know. I mean, it was horrible.

Dad always told me I have to kill you. Yeah, it was terrible.

And so I was so disappointing. So I was like, Oh, we're gonna have a cute little moment here. But no, that gives him the motivation he needed. And he tells Ruby. All right, go do it. Do it. Go get the bit out of the trunk. Let's do this.

I still want to know how many bit how many times I don't think I want to know, right? This response. We kind of called it we kind of did, where we were saying that it was. I mean, it's not a blood sacrifice. But I mean, kind of is. Yeah. And if this is what he's been doing all along.

So disappointed. Oh, I'm sorry. Anyway, back with Dean. And he finally goes to the platter of burgers, which they're probably cold by now. But maybe not since the angels are there angelic burgers? Yeah. He goes to pick one up and you're he's about to take a bite. And cast comes out of nowhere, slams them up against the wall. covers his mouth. Oh, yeah. Like dead eye, eye contact straight. And DOM Dom Just staring at him. You could see he's got a knife in his other hand, but it's lower as it out.

Give it to me. Yeah. It was Hi.

I was not expecting this. But Castiel cuts his arm and then gets the blood on his other hand, and starts drawing that symbol we saw it was the last episode. And so

you've seen it a couple of times now because Anna Anna did it too. Oh, yeah.

He's painting it on the wall. Zachariah shows up and he's like, Dude, what the what the hell are you doing? What's going on here? He finishes his drawing, puts his hand on it and blast Zachariah out of there.

It was very dramatic. It was it was great. It was wonderful. Yeah.

I love

these Buchan angels. I love them so much. The drama drama of it.

Then we're back at the convent. And Lilith is she's there. We know she's the final seal. Some guys bringing her a little bowl of blood. There's a the hallway behind her is lined with demons. And she's like, Don't be afraid. You're gonna save the world.

Yeah, it'll be fabulous. That'd be great.

And she kind of turns around after he gives her the blood. And we see Sam and Ruby at the end of the hall.

We hear like this. Oh, that's kind of whoosh noise. Not the angel flap. Whoosh. It's a different kind of sound. Right? And that's what makes her turn around. Yeah. And everybody who was lined up in the hall is dead. Yeah. Sam killed them

all as we're showing up. Yeah. Well, he's right.

He drank all pumped. pumped. He drank all of he drank up all of Chef nurse, Chef nurses all in his system. And so he was able to just boom, no, we shouldn't really what those lesser demons should learn that nurses name I apologize. Chef nurse.

Yeah. And then out of nowhere, we see Chuck. We're back with Chuck. Oh, sweet. Hey, what's this? I was not expecting either. Like a phone sex like Do you think he's like, Okay, I'll take the 20 girls. What are you gonna do with 20 Girls? So

he's one of them all at his house? Yeah, he got one pain. What are you gonna do? Yeah, that's like,

whoa, Zachary. Didn't Zachary make some gross common? He was like two virgins and 70 slides? Yeah. To Dean at one point.

He also was like, I'll give you ginger from Gilligan's Island. Marianne is a bonus.

Yeah, it was awful.

Anyway, but yeah, check was like I don't even remember what he was talking about. But he was like, that sounds moist. We I couldn't be now done without all of that, Chuck. Yeah, put on your robe and your boxers again and just sprawl out. Just be sweet. Yes. Ah,

well Cass indeed show up. Yeah. Which I've been there saying that and turn around. They were there. I'd be like, Oh, that's embarrassing.

He was like, this isn't supposed to happen. The girl the phone was like, but and he was like, no, no, like, This part's gonna happen this I still want to make this purchase, please. But I'm just gonna have to call you back because there's some other shit going on.

I can't remember what else happens in that scene as

well. They went to chuck to be like, Okay, tell us what's supposed to happen where Sam? Oh, that's what it was. So Chuck told them where Sam was he told them the convent and all of that and he just kept being like, but this part is not supposed to happen. You're not part of this story. And that's when Castile said we're making it up as we go. And they refocus to show Dean just like staring at casts. What was that shot about? Love? Yeah, I think so. Lust, not shippers, but no, I'm just

I feel like there's a lot of non romantic love in this Oh, so

much between a lot of the characters. And depending on your personal experiences and perspective. Maybe you view it as romantic. Go for it. That's the wonderful thing about fictional characters and fictional stories is that you can kind of implant on it what you want, and everybody can see it differently. And I love that. Yeah. But yeah, there was definitely a moment when cast said that. And then the house started shaking arcade and yet again, we don't get to completion with the archangel.

No, he's like, go I'll hold them off for as long as I can. Yeah,

but that was a really cool transition again. Yeah. As Cassiel put his hand on Dean's head, and suddenly Dean was at the convent. But I want to say this Archangel heart ready. We keep getting these like, vibrational lights going crazy things going insane. Like I want to bring me to completion. I would like to see Archangel please.

Do you think it's going to be Jon Hamm because of

good omen. Okay,

clearly, Dean is at the convent. Now. He looks down the hallway and sees Ruby she sees him and she shuts the doors on them unlock some. Yeah,

that face she made as she did it, too.

Oh, yeah. She's smiling. And she's she's like, oh, yeah, you're Shut up. Sorry. Sam is in the process of killing Lilith. As he's doing it. He can hear Dean through the doorway and he's yelling his name. Ruby. It's kind of like slow motion. You can't hear really what she's saying. But you can tell she's flipping out. She's looking toward the door looking at him like a little. It's like, she's like, You need to complete this job. Yeah.

She's like trying to get in his line of sight and distract him from hearing Dean and felt like,

but he does stop because he hears Dean and that but then Lillith kind of goads him as like, you know, you turned yourself into this freak monster and you're not gonna bite. Yeah, that's all it took for him. So he his little eyes turned black.

I could not believe that. He

kills Lilith and Ruby is so excited. She says you did it. You open the door and he is free at last.

Well, like blood was coming out a little nothing. Moving as if it had a mind of its own causing the circle and Sam was really confused was like what the fuck is happening? And that's when Ruby like went into her little monologue. I have to say, Genevieve paddle lucky. I thoroughly enjoyed her performance of this scene. Oh, yeah. It was good. She She did well. very cocky, conceited. I'm the best. No one knew. It was really good. She's very proud of her. Yeah, very proud.

I mean, kind of kudos. You pulled it off. You really? I mean, Dean was right. The whole time. Yep. She was just stringing little Sammy along manipulating the hell out of him. Uh huh. So when Sam realizes like, Oh, okay. Like Dean was right. You just totally laid me like me. Yeah. He tries to exercise her but he's spent. She's like, you shot your shot. Your shot shot your load? Load? Yeah, with Lilith telling her which makes sense. She's like you did everything right. You

Yeah. When she was like pointing out like, I just gave you the options and you made the right choice every time like, oh,

that fucking sucks. And she was like, it was always you. It was always going to be the one you were the one to do it. And at this point, Dean finally bust through the doors, which I kind of love this. And I didn't expect it. I was like, Oh, the anger in his eyes when he saw her.

He was on a mission. Oh, it was I thought and but

I mean, he had that knife raise ready to stab her. And I thought there was gonna be a fight but then I saw that Sam like, stood up and held her because he so he could keep her tight for Dean to do the job.

Yeah, she tried to be like You're too late. And he's like, I don't fucking care. Yeah. Oh, loved it. It was really good. It's pretty charged and in that door. Oh.

Then Then we hear some sort of noise rustling something. This the circle of Willis blood. A light starts just like coming up out of it. Dean looks at Sam and he's like, Hey, let's let's get out of here. And he's kind of grabbing Sam. But Sam says he doesn't say no. But he's he just is staring at the light. And he's like he's coming. And it ends.

I did not expect it to end when it did not either. I thought we had at least another 15 minutes. Right. So it was just like, ended it just like went to credit. So I was like, What the fuck? Yeah.

So I'm like, cliffhanger man was like Sam was a little excited.

I don't know if he was excited. Or if he was just like, it's happening. It's happening. You fail. What are we going to do? Where are we going to run? Where are we going to go?

True. Now?

You know? It's fucking Lucifer coming up out of his cage.

Also, Dean. That's your job. Right? Why are you trying to try to get out of there? Get out of the job.

Aren't you supposed to take care of the steam? Yeah. It was good. Yeah, it was good. It was written by Eric crebbp. and directed by Eric Gretzky.

And you said this is his This was his last season. We have one

more one more. Yeah. Or not? One more season? Oh, yeah. Okay. crypkey was the show runner for the first five seasons. Okay. Whew, it was a good one. It was a doozy. Like you said there was a lot of bouncing around. But just like the whole episode, I just felt like I was getting more and more amped up. And now I'm just like,

Oh,

I'm finished. Oh, all right. So core London or the nuns I guess and what a vulgarity in this episode.

Like, oh, yeah, the the words a little I don't know. Yeah, I could have done without that wasn't the

glorious of the episodes that we've had though. We're we haven't had a blood splurge and quite a while, actually. But yeah, so not not gory. Anything you adored this episode? Oh, much. I adored the trans the transitions, which I kind of already talked about the transitions from Bobby's into the White Room and the transition from the White Room to checks and the transition from checks to the convent. Convent. I loved all of that stuff. Yeah.

I kind of liked Ruby and Cass they've been playing this this the same way this whole time. And then they both like switched. I kind of liked how that happened. how that played out.

Ruby didn't so much switch. She's been faithful and loyal the whole time.

Well, I mean, from what we knew, like, right, we're thinking that she was like Sam this whole time, not

Lucifer, Lucifer. But it turns out she was helping Lucifer casts on the other hand, has been trying to help the angels and has been we know, having doubts. And I think he finally made the switch from he's not being loyal to the angels anymore. He's trying to help Dean. So I enjoyed that. I yeah, all the little relationship things between Sam and Ruby and Dean and Cass and a tied up a bunch of stuff. I mean, we know that Dean is supposed to stop Lucifer, we finally know what these angels

I adored the nuts and muscling through that door. Kellan Ruby. How he did that.

That was real nice. There was a lot of a lot of good stuff to appreciate. And this episode for sure. Alright, so lore. Since next season, we'll have plenty of opportunities to talk about Lucifer. I decided to focus on the convent featured in today's episode. Oh, it's a real one. Apparently. According to to ancient origins.net Hell House College is the nickname given to St. Mary's College in Ilchester, Maryland. The college is also sometimes referred to as, quote,

Let's close it out. It's the quote from Bobby drama Bobby. And he says, you stupid stupid son of a bitch. Well, boohoo I am so sorry. Your feelings are hurt princess. Are you under the impression that family is supposed to make you feel good? Make you an apple pie? Maybe they're supposed to make you miserable. That's why their family

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