Hook Man (1x7)

Music. Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode, over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures. I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series.

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get

tipsy. Hello, LA,

hey, Burley,

so I wrote it down, but I completely forgot to bring it up on our last episode. Oh, do you remember? God, I want to say it was like almost 20 years ago that I had a doppelganger running around Dallas.

Well, you've had a couple, I feel like, right?

I've had a couple, but I had one in particular. He was an exotic dancer, yes, yeah, yeah. And a family friend went to the club and saw my doppelganger dancing, and almost got on the phone to call my parents and tell them I was there, that's dancing. And then the one that really grossed me out was that I was at like, a gas station or something, and I can't, I think I was buying cigarettes or something, which gross, ew. So happy I quit that. And the guy behind the counter was like,

like you should have gone to the strip club and seen her. Do you remember when we

went to the strip club and applied and applied to work there so we could get our friend in, who was underage? Again, we were like, 20, yeah, and our friend was under 18 and couldn't get in, and so we applied so we could get in, because our friend really wanted to go to a strip club for some reason. Yep, and that our one friend put her real information and then she was upset when she didn't get a

okay, yeah,

okay, but last week's episode was skin, right? Speaking of exotic dancing, skin, in that episode, Sam and Dean went and helped one of Sam's old college friends, her brother, who was also friends with Sam, was accused of a murder he didn't commit, and the sister was basically the alibi, but because he had gotten caught on a security camera, they didn't believe her, right? But she swore up and down. He was with me all night. There's no

let me tell you. It did remind me a little bit of which, I'm sure. What was the movie back in the day? I Know What You Did Last Summer with the hook,

right? An urban legend, yes, yes. I think that one had a hook, man, too. Okay,

yeah. So I think, well, this is just their little version of it, but we start out in Iowa, at Eastern Iowa University, the Theta sorority house. I thought

it was weird. It's just theta. Yeah, that was it. Got

two girls getting dressed for what seems like a night out. One is named Lori, and the other is Taylor. Laurie is going out on a date. She's in a button up and a G. Skirt,

right? It was like a mini skirt, yeah? And then a business, professional, yeah, button up

blouse, party on the bottom, business up top. Um, so her roommate tells her no, no and gives her, of course, because back in the day, it was all about the jean skirts and the spaghetti strap tops, a halter. It was a halter, yeah, hers was a halter. Oh, yes, okay, it was the friend was wearing those spaghetti Yes. And so she's like, What did she say? Party girl in there somewhere or something? Yes. I

know there's a party girl in there somewhere, something like that. She takes off, and her

boyfriend, rich takes her to nine mile road under a bridge. And of course, as you do on these, you know, late nights pulling up in the car in a dark place, rich wants to mess around. Yeah,

he he seductively struck strokes her collar, but yeah, with just like, his two fingers, yeah, yeah. What was that?

He's like, Is this okay? She's

gonna go more, right? She's like, No. And he's like, it's okay, yeah, let me keep it trying collarbone, but as they're rich, fuck you rich. She said, No, no, and

you try it again. Yeah, yeah. So as they're as rich as trying his best, we see, we start to hear a scraping noise, and then we see what I think looks like a pirate in a, like a leather jacket and a pirate hat.

We actually see his hook hand in the foreground when they're pulling up and parking under the bridge, when they're, yes, I forgot about that, when they're pulling up and parking under the bridge. And his hook is, like, right there. It blends in with the leaves. Yeah, it's so dark. Yeah, you have to look for it. But it's definitely there. And it's a cool shot. It was really cool shot. I enjoyed that. So

he's um, so with second time we see him, he's scraping the hook along these streets, street signs. And I'm like, he's awfully dramatic. He's like, I'm slowly coming for you. Get scared of this noise? Of course, I don't think they even heard it. So because she went, what was that? Oh, that's right, because that's what prompted rich to get out of the car, yep,

go check it out. Yeah.

He's like, I'm big man. Gonna get out there and go check out what that was. And then he just, like, disappears. And she starts to hear the wet, the scraping on the top of the truck, yep. And she's freaked out. And I remember we were like, Why is she not just driving away the hook man had taken out the tires, right? So popped those pups that explained to us why she did not take off.

it was something after a long pause, yeah, then the

Yeah. It was good. Next we see our lovely deed and Sam, and they're making more inquiries in the newspaper to try and find their dad. Sam comes back from using a public phone, which we do not have anymore, really, and shows Dean a newspaper clipping about an invisible attack on a car in Iowa. And so of course, they decided to go investigate. Then we're back at Eastern Iowa State University. Or no, I'm sorry, eastern Iowa University,

said they're fraternity brothers from Ohio, but first we need to address something. When they pull up, there is a car out, like in the driveway, Oh, yeah. And there's two or three frat brothers working on the car. The one who's leaned over the hood and working on the engine, he

looks like he's checking the oil. Is that what he was doing? I

think so. Okay. And somebody was underneath the car, yeah. But the one who's checking the oil has a banana and is eating a banana, and no one ever says anything about the banana. The banana isn't part of the storyline, and I'm just curious, why was the banana there?

It was a little awkward. It just seemed out of place, right? Yeah, just like

a half eaten banana. He's just holding it in his hand. He doesn't let go of the banana at any point. He doesn't take a bite of the banana at any point that we see, he's just checking the oil with one hand and holding a banana with hanging on

to it. Yeah, he just needed to get that potassium in maybe, you know, but yeah, it was weird. It was odd, yeah. So they asked if they can have. Room to stay in the frat house, and they're put in with a guy named Murph, who is painting himself from what looks like, just like a can of paint you get at Lowe's or Home Depot, not like body paint, which you should be using. And he's covering himself in it for game day. And it was he's he asks the guys just come in. He's just like, hey, help me

because which probably has something to do with everybody thinking she's hot, right?

And she's like, Miss Priss, innocent,

yes,

you can't touch my collarbone, yeah? So then we're at the church, and her father, Reverend Sorensen, is giving a service for Rich's funeral, I guess. Well, it's not his funeral. It's just a service in honor of rich. I think, right? I didn't

feel, I think it was just like the Sunday service or whatever. Yeah, and she's and they were just talking about, right?

And Lori's there with her roommate, Taylor, and Dean and Sam walk in, the door shuts very loudly behind Sam, and so Lori turns around and Hey, she

likes what she sees. Yeah, I can't blame her. She's not morning rich too much after that. You know,

she's like, in the late get pants, and she's like, sad sitting there with Taylor, turns around, looks at them, and it's like, oh, oh, hello, hey.

Yeah,

you're right. Can't blame her. Are

you sending me this to deal with my grief? Like, thank

you. Thank you.

And also, the Reverend is played by the same actor who played the Bulldog in Fraser. Yes, and I could not stop seeing the Bulldog every time he was on screen, so it was a little weird for me. And then later we'll get to this point, but later we find out there's a little bit of the Bulldog in the reverend. After all, true, true, true, true, Mark, Mark.

The guys come and sit in and listen to the rest of the service. And I like that. Sam has to, like, nudge Dean to, like, put his head down when they're praying. Right then they're outside after the service, talking with Lori. Sam seems to take a liking to Lori and is chatting with her. Her dad comes up. They introduce themselves, and Dean, just, like, casually. Is like, come with me, reverend. Like, the Reverend. Just like, okay,

Dee's like, something about looking for a church group or something, yeah.

And then Sam stays and just kind of questions Lori about what she saw. And I can't remember what she just basically says, like, she couldn't see anything, right? Like he was,

yeah. She basically just tells Sam what happened with the scratching and the all of that, but she didn't see anybody, and nobody believes her event, right? But she didn't see anybody, and nobody believes her story, because she claims that it was an invisible person,

right? Okay, so then Sam and Dean head to the library to see what the lore, I guess, would be like the right urban legends. They stem from somewhere. I think Sam says that in right

they basically say that in there, that whenever Sam is telling Dean what Laurie told him, Dean kind of points out, well, that's the classic hook man story, and that's when they kind of think, Okay, well, like you just said, most legends stem from something that really happened, so let's start doing some research and see if we can't find something that ties into this. And

since we didn't have, well, we had the internet back then, but we were still going to the library, the library, library, yeah, we

were just using the internet for, excuse me, AOL, chat.

So they go in, the lady bring which also she brings in, like three boxes. They're dusty as hell, but they dive in. They're mainly looking at arrest records for murderers back all the way back. The records go all the way back to 1851 for the city in Iowa,

yeah, and Dean makes kind of a joke about so you did this for four years of your life, or something like that, to Sam. And Sam's just like, let's dig in. He's

like, Yeah, an education, yeah, that's what. And Sam's pre

law. So actually, that's really going to come in handy for research, I would think, right,

well, and for. For the amount of times that I'm assuming they probably get arrested throughout, for all the lying and credit card fraud and whatnot that they do. Sam finds a case where a preacher named Jacob Carnes, who had lost his hand in an accident, murdered 13 he was very upset about the red light district in town. Yeah. He did not like it, yeah. So he murdered 13 prostitutes in 1862 and he had lost his hand. Did they say how he lost his hand?

why he had to start dressing like a pirate. Yeah, because we're going to take this cliche all the way. Okay, I'm into it. He looked like a pirate. He did look like a pirate,

but lo and behold, it's it all happened. Where on Nine Mile Road, just

basically their Lover's Lane? Yes, yeah, where

Rich was killed. Then it switches to Lori. She and her dad are outside of or they're in the car.

Well, they were arguing outside the sorority house. That's how he's dropping her off after the service. Her party girl roommate friend invited her to come back to the sorority house because they were gonna do shots and watch Reality Bites, shots of tequila. She said, shots of tequila and Reality Bites. Good night. Just girls night, and her dad was not happy about it,

not into it at all. So they're arguing in the car because he wants her to come back and live at home. She, of course, doesn't want to. She wants her independence, and it's important to have that experience. I think in college, I didn't get it. I know you did, but I always think like I sometimes wish I had had it. But of course, you know, she's old enough to make her own decisions. Blah, blah, blah. She

I Levine poster on the wall. So I

was so focused on what the Avril Lavigne poster said, because the the letters were like, weird or whatever, and I totally missed that you pointed out there was the scrape along the wall, yes,

yes. Scratch along the wall and onto the door frame, right, just like the scratches we saw Mr. Drama pirate doing on the metal signs at Nine Mile Road and on the side of the car. He's he fucked up the car. Oh,

that's right, yeah. So he's been there, or he's there, we don't know. Or

somebody fucked up their wall, somebody

got drunk and their keys accidentally keyed the wall. But anyway, so she kind of just looks at that, goes into her room. Taylor's there, but she's asleep in her bed. So she goes and gets ready for bed, she comes back out, and Taylor does move because we thought she was dead,

which we were very upset about, because that's not how the urban legend goes. Yes, the urban legend goes that they were already dead, or they were in the process of being killed, whenever the roommate came in and decided not to turn on the lights, and that's why it says on the wall, aren't you glad you didn't turn on the lights? So it didn't make sense, right? But whatever, we'll let it slide. Yeah. She was still alive.

yeah. So then Lori goes to sleep, wakes up, and there's quite a pool of blood. It was a lot under Taylor's bed. A little too much blood, I feel like, but I don't know, but it was coming from Taylor's arm that was hanging off the bed, of course, on the wall, that's where it said, and it was like, scraped with her blood. I think, yes, aren't you glad she didn't turn off the light? He

must have dipped the hook in the in the blood, and then did the scraping, yeah, and he kind of signed it with a signature

Yes. And I noticed, which I forgot to mention this when the boys were at the library. Why am I saying it like that library, when we're back at the library, and they pulled up the they had, like a drawn picture of Joseph Carnes and his hook that he had made for himself, and it had a little

um charm, yeah, or key chain bracelet, yeah.

And so the low it's not a logo, it was sigil, like a sigil on it, and that's what was underneath the Aren't you glad you didn't turn on the light? Then we're back at nine mile road with Sam and Dean, and they're kind of checking out the crime scene in the dark, of course, naturally, they're prepared with a shotgun full of rock salts, because they explain that it won't kill the spirit of Carm. The who is it that explains it? Dean or Sam?

I think it was Sam being like, yes, because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because I remember thinking, why are you explaining this to Dean? But then I kind of realized, oh, because they have to explain it to the audience somehow, and there's not a stranger standing nearby for them to be explaining it too. So it was kind of a little awkward exchange, in my opinion, but I understand that it had to be there for us to know, for us the audience, to know what the fuck was going on.

was aggressive. He

came in hot, really hot. Yeah,

he was not about to let these boys get him. So they get arrested, see, yeah, it's only gonna be the third or fourth time for Dean that we've seen anyway. So after they're arrested, we're at the police station, and Dean has told the sheriff that Sam was a dumbass pledge and they were just hazing him. It was a hazing thing, and so the sheriff kind of leaves it and lets them go, which, I mean, I guess could be believable. They look a little too old to be you hush your mouth in a

This was the days of how old was the girl who played Andrea on 902 and oh,

I don't know well, in clueless. The one girl, the redhead, I think she was in her 30s, Brittany Murphy, yeah. No, no, not Brittany Murphy,

oh. The other one, the one who's like, I don't want balls flying, yeah, my face, yeah. I think she was like, in her 30s, yeah, in the 90s and early 2000s they often had people in their late 20s, early 30s, playing high school, early college students. It just is what it is. But whenever they come out and Dean is explaining to Sam the whole hazing thing, then all of a sudden, all these cops come running out of the sheriff's office, right kind of freeze, because they're like, Oh

so that's where they're headed. So the guys follow the cop cars, and it's, of course, to Lori's dorm room, and the boys see the cops, you know, chatting outside. They climb a terrace and go through a window,

yeah. And then, before they climb up, Dean makes some comment about, like, sorority girls, Oh, yeah. And it's like, keep it in your pants, right? Someone just died. Calm down, Dean. Dean, that Dean Lori's

there, and the cops think that she's involved somehow. Since now, rich died. Now our roommate died, which, you know,

logical conclusion Exactly. So after they climb up the what did you call it? It's

like a terrace, yeah. Like, that could be the wrong word, but

yeah. So Dean helps Sam up, and Sam goes up, and they get in there, and they're looking at the crime scene, and Sam notices the signature, you were talking about sigil. The sigil is like, I've seen that before, and they had burned the bones. Oh, I forgot about that. We're doing terribly with our recap. Sorry, everybody bad. Dean had dug up. Oh no, no, no, no.

They go back to the paperwork that they took from the library. Oh no. They made copies, and then they see that Joseph Carnes was buried in the local cemetery in an unmarked grave.

Yes. So then we go outside, and Lori has a blanket on her because she's in shock. She's in shock. She has a blanket. It's a little Sherlock quote for anybody who who might get it. And her dad has shown up at this point and is basically telling the cops either arrest her or let me take her home. So the cops are like, Okay, we'll let you take her home. And Dean and Sam decide to split up. Dean go find the body in the

So we see Dean find the unmarked grave, which it actually has the sigil on it, which is super convenient for him to find that really convenient. And he digs, starts digging, digs him up and busts into his Joseph Karns coffin. And what he gets the salt out, because it purifies things. Yeah,

Salt, salt and burn. And he pulled out that bottle, and I thought it was sunscreen. At first, I was like, why is he pulling out sunscreen? What is happening

at night? Yeah, he lights the bones on fire. And that's they think that's going to take care of it,

right? Yes. And then it shows Sam sitting outside of the preacher's house, and they're thinking that maybe the dad is doing it to try and protect the daughter. So the he sees the daughter and the preacher having a fight, and he's just sitting on the curb out in front of their house, Laurie spot Sam, and it's like, I'm gonna go out there and talk to this creepy stalker boy, because he real fun. Get it. Girl, get it. And she's so sad, and she's like, I don't know what to do. Let's

I bet she would have let Sam go. Rub on her collarbone,

right? She should have pulled her shirt aside, and they're like, Oh, do you see this? But Dean has burned the preacher, and all of a sudden, like the the bad preacher, not the daddy preacher, right? Not bull. He's

a reverend. Yes, the Reverend, yeah,

so we'll call him Reverend, yeah. And she Laurie, I have to go back to this. Lori is upset because it turns out Reverend Bulldog is a horn dog. He's hooking up with a married woman, and she's upset with her daddy. That's why they were fighting. That's important, because whenever the Reverend is at the door and saying, Hey, Lori, come back inside. The hook, man manifests behind him and gets him well.

And she was telling Sam that, you know, like she he's always taught her that if you know, you do something bad or sinful, you get punished for it. Uh, Sam and Lori run in, trying to help him.

Sam has the shotgun with the rock salt, he had, like his bag of goodies with him, so he grabbed that. They

they get in, they go in the room where the the reverend's been laid to just die, I guess. And the preacher, Joseph Carnes appears in the room hook ready to take him out. And Sam shoots him a couple times, and he kind of flitters, I guess he flitters. He flitters in and out, and they Oh, then there, then it's next. There at the hospital. Her dad's all tubed up.

Sam's talking to the cops. The cop is like, why is it I keep seeing you. Yeah, around here suspicious Dean shows up, and they kind of figure out, well, Dean salted and burned the bones, so there must be something else that Joseph Carnes is tied to. And that's when they kind of figure out, it must be the hook,

right? Because I was like, Well, shouldn't the hook have been in his coffin with them, but it was weird, yeah.

So then they go back to the library, and Sam finds something that says that the hook had been donated to the church, and then it was reforged, yeah, melted down, yeah. They don't know what it was reforged into, so they decide, let's go to the church. Sam goes to the House Lori's house, or Lori's dad's house, and Dean goes into the church, and they just decide, okay, this hook was silver, so just grab anything silver and we're gonna salt and burn it to get rid of

them. Yeah. Well, and they also decide that they know it's Lori that he's attached to at this point, not the dad. So, yeah, so Lori heads to the church, and she's praying, you know, It's all her fault. And Sam comes and sits with her, tries to console her, and as she as he's doing, so the hook man appears again and attacks them again. And I thought it

was interesting, the hook man seemed to be attacking both of them at this point, and I guess it's because Lori was thinking that she deserved to be punished at this point, right, right? So obviously,

since he's still coming at them, they didn't get the right silver piece of whatever was made from his hook. And that's is that. That's when Sam turns around and looks at Lori, because she's like, backing up into the corner. Now that's when they're actually, yeah, yeah. And he turns around and sees that she's wearing a silver cross, and asks her where she got it. And she said her dad gave it to her, that it was an heirloom of the church, or something, something like that.

And you liked that I did. He does this cool toss, like Dean has run up from the furnace at this point it's like, what the fuck is going on? Because hook man is kicking Sam's ass, like he got Sam with his hook, he punched him or something like beat Sam's ass. And they do this cool little toss where Sam tosses the necklace at the exact same time that Dean tosses a shotgun, right, and they catch the things at the same time. That was very well choreographed. They nailed it.

Dean runs off to throw it in this in the furnace. Again, the hook band still beating up Sam, and he's coming for them. Hit Sam and lawyer now both backed up into the corner, and Dean makes it in time, throws it in the furnace. And our pirate, Pirate preacher Joseph Carnes,

burns up, burns up, kind of episodiated into flames, yeah,

and that's that. So then we see Sam getting attended to outside of an ambulance by the paramedics, which I was very concerned that Sam's bandage had a lot of blood seeping through it. It

was a really thick leg,

and they just let him go. I was like, did they not stitch him up? You know? Like, that's like, maybe redress that for him a little bit, you know. Well, Lori's there, and she thanks Sam, and Dean's in the car, and he's kind of watching from the rearview mirror. And Sam gets in and

he sees. I'm like, holding hands. Yeah? Well, they're saying goodbye. And

Sam gets in the car, and D tells him, you know, they they could stay. They don't have to go

here, get it in.

But Sam shakes his head no, and they they head out

right off into the sun. Yeah, our heroes, whoo,

their job is done. That was torture. Sorry.

We made it, though, but we got through the recap. So as far as Gore not too gory. I mean, there was a lot of blood. I would say the goriest part was the roommate, yeah, and rich. Rich was pretty gory, but they didn't show it very long, right? It

wasn't very close up, right? It

was very far out. And, you know, that was pretty gory. So Rich and the roommate's death, lot of blood. Yeah. I mean, this wasn't a favorite of mine so far the episode. Yeah, I'd rank this toward the bottom of what we've seen so far. Really, yeah, you liked it. No, I

mean, I liked it better than the the airplane one. Really, yeah,

I liked the airplane one better than this. Okay. It was, okay. I mean, it was, it was cool to see the like classic urban legend right at play

indeed, got, you know, got, got some kissing in. No. Dean, I'm

sorry, Sam. Sam did get some kisses. He needed some he needed some love in. So let's hit the lore, as we've already kind of touched on the hook, man, is an urban legend. What I didn't know is that it actually dates back to the 50s and 60s.

just thinking like their parents are, ew,

no, no. So, like, at its core, that's what it is, yeah. Like, if you go fool around on Lover's Lane, the hook man's gonna come and get you, like, and normally it's somebody from a mental hospital, not, not a reverend or a preacher, or whatever it was, with a hook for a hand and all of that kind of stuff that he's going to come get you. So we've seen the legend covered in various, you know, things throughout horror

Just kind

of a mesh of Bloody Mary and the hook man, yeah. But where did it originate? Because, as Sam said, All urban legends, we stem from somewhere they do that they do basically. This is kind of proven ish okay to tie back to a bunch of murders that happened in Texarkana.

Oh, oh, I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah,

there's no evidence that the killer had a hook. But this urban legend got really popular in the 50s and 60s, and that's right, when this massacre happened. So it's tied very closely to it. It's actually, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety, the number one unsolved murder case in Texas history. Oh,

wow. Well, I think it's also, they've also questioned whether it was part of zodiacs, the Zodiac killings too. I have

not heard that because it wasn't Zodiac in a different state,

yes, but it was like teenagers like he, he kind of like preyed on the same types, type of victims.

Okay, well, in Texarkana, so it was basically in 1946 there were four brutal crimes that occurred within a span of less than three months. Three were violent attacks on young people parked on Lover's Lane on the Texas side of town. The fourth was the shooting of a middle aged couple in their rural farmhouse on the Arkansas side at the end of the spree, three people had been seriously wounded, and five had been shot

the old ring ring doorbell,

so that they'd like hear people when they were coming. Mm. It really is? It really regulation, and people who had never owned guns were sleeping with loaded pistols by their beds and made pallets on the floor for their children so they could all sleep in the same room, like people were fucking scared. Law men from Arkansas and Texas and members of the national press overwhelmed the town in pursuit of the assailant, who was dubbed the Phantom Killer by the Texarkana

Wow. You always want, I always wonder, like, when they it's like, a series of killings, and then they stop, it's like, did they go to jail? Did they did that? Arrested for something else? Yeah, like, you never know. But I think the Who's the guy that was just recently caught after so long in California? Think the hillside, not the hillside strangler, but shit, forget

what's San Francisco? Called San Francisco? No, like the nickname, because you made fun of me for the Golden State Golden

State killer. Yes, that's Golden State killer. And he stopped for a period of time, though, like he he did a whole bunch, but then I think he got, he started family and like, but he would still call and do the weird,

I'm gonna kill you, like,

call them and Creep them out and all that stuff. But he did stop the killings for a chunk of time, but then he started up again.

What if they have really bad ADHD, and they just get fixated on something for a little bit, and then they get tired of it and move on to a different fixation.

I don't think that is how psychopaths work.

Maybe a psychopath with ADHD,

I don't know, but isn't it like, it's like they have a craving for killing, like they need to do it, want

to do it. That's how impulse control when you get fixated on something. Okay? Well, maybe, maybe that's it. Then I don't I wonder what took them away from it. That's not my profession. They discovered something else, like they got really into puzzles. Instead. Are you?

Who are? You don't try and say, I'm a psycho.

I didn't. I'm just thinking of other hobbies that could potentially take somebody's interest where they would get really into it and maybe not be doing the other hobby. True. Not to try and insinuate that serial killing is a hobby.

Yeah,

no at all. No, no, no. I'm just trying to think other than being arrested or killed, what could potentially make them decide to stop doing that. Well,

he had he, I think it was when he started a family. So

makes sense, you're not going to be able to sneak away as much, right? Well, anyway, this episode was a disaster,

dumpster fire. Sorry guys.

But to close it out, we got a quote from Dane and all Dane Winchester, he said, remind me not to piss this girl off.

Damn right. Cheer. Cheers.

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