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hello Burley.
On our last episode, I cried a little bit at the end. You did. It was very sad. It was It was so sad. Sam and Dean investigated the death of a lawyer who appeared to have been killed by a wild animal. They had to connect with the witness the person who found the body. And that was Madison and there was a connection between Sam and Madison that grew deeper and deeper and deeper by the end of the episode, okay.
Unfortunately, it turned out that Madison was a werewolf and could not control herself when she was in her werewolf form didn't even remember right, what was happening when she wasn't aware, which just added to the sadness of it all that it was completely out of her control. She didn't even know what was happening. Oh, at the end of the episode, she told Sam, this is how you can save me and asked him to put her down basically.
Yeah, it was a doozy. It was a good episode, but damn, yeah, was it sad?
Well, this week's episodes not really sad. So
I really to have something so lighthearted come after something. So sad was a nice reprieve. Like I chuckled quite a bit during this episode.
I meant this episode, not this week's episode.
We did get in the habit of saying that. We do two episodes per week now. But yeah, our listeners will forgive you,
hopefully. So this one is it was called Hollywood Babylon. And it started out with a scene of these actors. Like pretty obvious it was supposed to be like a horror movie, but like bad acting, was going on.
I don't think the bad scream was purposeful though. I think maybe she was just a bad screamer. Because later on in the episode when she screamed, and they were like, Yeah, that's more like it. I was like, wait a minute, that still wasn't no Jamie Lee Curtis.
Yeah, true.
Come on now.
But yeah, we realized that it gets a set. It started out really odd because I was like, Well, what the hell are they going to have to do with this guys? But the two actors kind of go off to the side. Oh, and one of the producers of the of supernatural MC G is actually the director playing the director part. For this movie that they're doing. Yeah, it
wasn't MC G, but the character's name was mixed G.
Oh, I thought it was was MC G.
Now the character's name was MC G. I don't think that was the cute little blonde we saw on the special features last season.
I don't think he's a cute little blonde.
I think he is. Hang on. Oh, he's not blonde. He's not as blind as I thought he was. Maybe he was back then. Maybe that is him. It's either him or an actor with similar features. It was a meta episode. There were a bunch of little meta things that happened throughout the entire episode. I thought it was fun. Yeah, fun little easter eggs.
Yeah. But this guy who had really bad hair, it was like gray and stringy and long was chatting, chatting up the two actors saying that after hours, you know, sometimes he just thinks the, the sets weird. He feels like somebody's watching him. And they just blow they blow him off. And they're like, Oh, whatever. He's not taking his meds. I thought it was weird because he was talking about after hours. But then we see that and they start up doing the
scene again. And she the main actress look like has something something drops down from the ceiling. She looks up and the guy with a bad hair we learn as Frank is like up in the rafters like bleeding all over the place dead. And that's when she does her and we saw
the flat there was like a flash just Oh yeah. You didn't get a very good look at what it was it was there and then it was gone. And it's Tara Bentley is the actresses name and the episode.
Okay. Then we see the guys which they're on like a tour of the set, I guess. Studio Tour Studio. Yeah. And it was funny because she's, I think the guide was talking about that they filmed Gilmore Girls there and she's like, you know, we might even read into one of the actors and Sam Sam's like, Okay, we gotta like they hop off, but I thought it was funny since Jared was on Gilmore Girls.
Yeah, I thought it was funny on the little golf carts. Dean was so excited. We got to see him kind of be a nerd. In this episode. Yeah, which was a nice little shift. But him talking to the kid being like, you know, creep show was filmed here and getting all excited and smiling and weirding out the kid, which also reminded me of us at the con. Yeah. At the convention at our first convention, like hey, weirding people out then
when they so they hopped off the thing and they go into the actual studio. And the actor Gary Coles, they're playing I guess one of the executives yes for the movie. And he assumes that Dean as a PA, calls them over and tells him to get him a smoothie. Dean was like Dean's like what? Not. But of course, Sam is like, yeah, yeah, well, we'll get it smoothies coming
up. You've seen Dean walking around with this tray, with like, I've smoothie smoothies on it, and he ends up sneaking up to the rafters while they're filming down below. And he tries to see if there's any EMF activity where the body was found. And of course, there is
none. So Dean doesn't really find anything they meet, he meets up with Sam and Sam tells him that he really he found out that this is stage nine at the studio and over the I don't know how many years but there's been four deaths in that actual studio, I think, two suicides and then to just like, I think accident was the accident murders. But that's not really a thing.
They are but
anyway, as they're poking around, trying to find more information, Dean fan girls out over Tara and comes up to her and it's chatting her up and asks about Frank and that they like nobody seemed to know the guy like nobody really knew anything about him where he lived and nothing. And she mentioned that during her like downtime on the set, she takes Polaroids with everybody, which is weird, but okay.
That's a hobby photography. Yeah.
But I mean, think about it that if she does it on every set, and then she had this had it in the whole little like photo album, like how many does she have, you know, so she shows them a picture of Frank. And Dean seems to recognize them. He's like, son of a bitch, or something. And they go to this guy's house, and it is Frank, but he is without his long stringy gray hair.
While he still had his long stringy gray hair, pulled back. Fancy ponytail, he had it styled this time.
And it turns out that Frank is an actor's Well, and that's how he knew him from some movie, I forget the name of the movie he was talking to him about.
They were mentioning a lot of real movies and fake movies. And I kind of lost track of which was which, right? But again, that came back to it being meta. Which reminds me the joke I cackled that when they were walking around the studio before they had gotten to the set yet. They were talking about Los Angeles, and Dean said something about how he was hoping to have a vacation here. Not work a case. And Sam commented on the weather and how it was almost Canadian. Yes, yeah. I thought that was
hilarious. That was That is an excellent meta joke that if you know where they film, you get it. But if you don't know where they film, it would have gone completely over your head. So I enjoyed all these little tidbits, all these little meta things throughout. But yeah, they
mentioned a bunch of movies. Some of them were real, but I don't think the main one was real, or if it was, I've never heard of it. Yeah, who knows? And I didn't know whatever this one was that he when he was talking to Frank, but yeah, Frank and Frank, which I forget. That's not his actual name anymore. The actor's name, who's playing Frank
tells them Seamus was as long as it wasn't, it was something fancy like that. Well, he
tells them that the producers hired him to go on the set and mention how it was creepy. And he thought it might be haunted, which I don't know, I guess. I guess they're trying to get the actors to like be a little more
creeped out and scared. I think he said they were trying to build buzz around the movie. That's right. Okay. Like what they did with Blair Witch and oh, it was real. And you know, all that kind of stuff that they do to try and get people excited to go see the movie.
Oh, that's right. So yeah, because he faked his death or whatever. And so the whole thing was planned. But we back on set. We see Gary cold go off to take a call. And behind him as this lady who's just like black and white, which looks pretty cool. She looks fabulous. And she comes up on him hits him on the shoulder and he turns around and she's, he thinks it's an actress and he's like, Oh, those neck wounds those those are gonna need to be read. I don't know
about this black and white. And she takes a robe off for him. And he's he's interested. He's like in it. Yeah. And she leads them up to the rafters again. As they're filming the scene down below. He comes flying down and has hung supposedly hung himself but we know that the ghost lady He made him do it or whatever. So he's dead to he's out. He's gone. Yep. So it was a very small little part for him to come and do.
I was surprised. It was like the cigarette man in season one where we saw him we recognized them and within five minutes of being like, oh, yeah, that's who that is. Okay. Oh, they're gone. Yeah.
And I thought it was funny. Dean is like eating all the craft service who the whole time. He's totally taken on the role of being a PA. He's got the headphone with the mic on it. He's got the little tool belt with everything. He's yelling out cut after the director yells cut.
He was into it. Totally. I started listening to supernatural then. And now again, because, you know, we fell in love with Robin bridge. They're like are BFFs now, right? They don't know that. But we do. Okay. And they had somebody on. Fuck, I can't remember which episode it was or
who the guest was. But they were talking about Jensen Ackles and food and how much they appreciated it that Jensen was not afraid to eat that there are a lot of actors who will mess around with the food or they'll start to take a bite and then stop because they have to say something right before they do. They find a way to work away around the I'm eating but they never actually eat. And he said he really liked that Jensen would eat Jensen had no problem with actually eating stuff in
his face doing whatever. Oh, yeah. And so I thought of that during this episode, because he was he was chowing down on to Ketos and doing all kinds of stuff. Yeah, that's one of those things that I've never thought of or even noticed before. But now that I've had it pointed out, I know exactly what that guy was talking about.
Yeah. i He takes a bite of these little mini sliders and he's talking with the food out of his mouth. When Sam comes upon him, and he's like in his full pa outfit and everything, but he's eating like some sort of dessert churro or something I don't even know it's like he's got like a whole plateful he
was eating often. Yeah, episode.
I think it was Dean ended up telling Sam like, come with me. I gotta show you something. He's like, saying his buddy gave him the dailies that they needed to check out and like, oh, and I think he was even like, oh, yeah, there's so and so gave it to me. I mean, he's got this thing going on with what's her name? And like, he's just totally taken on a new job.
Basically, yeah. geeking out film nerd. But she's always kind of he's let us know. He's into pop culture. He's into the scary movies like we've known that. But yeah, he's definitely is really into it at the moment. It's adorable, almost to the point of forgetting that they're working a case as far as Sam sees it. Sam is Oh, yeah. You know if you don't actually work here.
Yeah, he keeps giving him looks like, like, come on. Actually, before they look at the dailies, he hasn't come over. And the sound guy plays him a clip. Yeah. Jethro in one of the scenes, and they hear like the EVP come through. So that's when he tells him Come on, I gotta do something else for you to look at. And so they just randomly go into a trailer. I'm like, there were security on this set, like, so they go into somebody's trailer, and he
starts playing the dailies. And they they see the black and white lady, which I think it was, was it Sam? Like, I recognize her. I'm like, you can barely see her face. How did you recognize her?
He Sam Winchester. True.
So he knew who she was. And she's an actress from back in the day. 1930s. Yeah, yeah. Well, she looked like her hairstyle kind of looks like Yeah,
another thing I spotted. Just a fun fact, is that when they were going to that trailer, we see some chick drive by on the tiniest of mopeds. Such a tiny little thing. And I've seen several pictures of Jared and Jensen riding that thing around that's funny, which are just hilarious. So now we know where the moped came from, why it was on set at all, was for this scene where they're walking to a trailer.
I used to have I used to have one of the little mini Vespas Did you they were fun. Anyway. So they realize that this lady is the one haunting the set. They gotta go find her. Go find her digger up, burn those bones. And so they go do that. And I think everything's good. However, one of the producers is on set. lights go out. He's Yellin for somebody. He sees this guy standing at the door, which I saw a guy standing at the door the way he was. I don't think I'd be going for
him. I'd be like, oh, and he turns around in his head is just split open the sky. And he starts coming for the producer drags him. Right. He turns
on the began. Yeah. And he's dragging him and the actor who is playing the producer, I Don't remember his real name, but he also plays Donna pence yachties dad on that 70 show. He kept talking and I was like, Who is this guy? I know that voice. Yeah. And so another one that very small part, but kind of a character actor that we've seen in multiple things. Ya the ghost turned on the fan and dragged him by the leg.
Oh, and yeah, so he basically like drags him into the fan. And there's this white sheet or something on the other side, and he's just he chunks blood and chunks of him fly out.
It was the most unexpected chunkiest blood splooge we've had so far. And the supernatural series is so gross. It's only blood splooge number six, unless we missed something, which is very possible. The only one we've had this season was with the zombie chick way back in episode four the bloods splurge on the TV, but this was the chunkiest grossest, blood splurge we've had so far. So chunky. So that is the second executive to be killed.
And Sam has been watching the dailies, a whole bunch of I'm just trying to figure out like, see if there's any other ghosts in there to figure out what's going on. Since the site is obviously still being haunted. There's a scene that he's watching where the girl is doing some sort of ritual, and it's in Latin and Sam realizes that it they're actually saying a legitimate summoning spell or
whatever. I think you said, necromancy Yeah, something something about necromancy.
So they realize like they're literally summoning these these things to the set. And they go to talk to the writer, he ends up telling them that he didn't write that part, their their original writer was Walter, who we saw earlier, and they mistake him for a PA as disgruntled PA. However, he was actually the original writer. And he wrote all of these Latin spells and whatnot.
He also put the original lore in there that the ghosts were scared of salt. And we heard the execs talking earlier about how that doesn't make sense. Like the ghost is going to be scared of condiments. I mean, come on. So we've had these little hints throughout the episode, that there's a real supernatural lore in this script. And we noticed earlier in the episode, Walter got upset about something they were
changing. I think it was the assault thing, actually, that he was like, they're ruining it and like threw a fit and stomped off. And so we suspected Walter, we weren't sure, but we did suspect it. So it wasn't the biggest of twists.
But he is disgruntled and he pretty much what but he has described to me Well, yes.
You are right. You're why he was very disgruntled.
And he pretty much I think Sam says like he's like, wrote the textbook on how to kill people in some of these ghosts through the script. So they find they find Walter they find him out. They confront him with a they confront him with the other writer that they they sought out first,
right? Because Walter was actually in the process of trying to kill the other writer because remember, they saved him and Dean came over and like, cocked his shotgun standing over the writer. And it showed the writer like looking Dean up and down and we were like, Oh, he just fell in love. Right? He was like, Thank you my hero. Oh, he was swooning? Yeah.
So after Walter summon that ghost. He summons these three other ghosts that start coming after them. And they see that he's got some little talisman that he's using when he's doing the summoning, or ritual or whatever. Sam tries to go get it from him. And he very dramatically throws it on the ground rake it will use disgruntled remember, he is very, very much so he's got to be dramatic. Seems like you've he didn't say it, but like, you fucking idiot. Now you just set them free. They're alert.
They're not like connected to you anymore. And they're probably not going to be real happy that you've been like summoning them making them do all this shit. And of course he's right. They go after him and kill him. I guess the ghosts are gone after that. They just they finished their business I guess with him.
Yeah, they took care of the guy who's been fucking with them. And so they were like peace out. And I mean, honestly, it was kind of messed up that Sam Dean and the other writer they literally just sit there and watch the ghosts murder dancer.
Oh, and before that they couldn't the ghosts that came those three ghosts. They kept disappearing so the guys couldn't see him. And Sam pulled out his phone and knew like if he used his camera like they could see him and that's how they have new hardware to shoot at them to try and get him away. Yeah, which ends up the writer took that whole scene and put it in the script because next we see them carrying out that pretty much that same scene with the phone, which they thought
was funny. Sam walks out looking for mean Dean walks out of Tara's trailer very proud of himself.
Well it showed the trailer it showed her name and the trailer first and it was rockin the trailer was rockin
I didn't see that. Yeah, she follows behind him. Nothing but her little robe. And they say their goodbyes, and they walk off into the sunset, but it's not really the sunset. Yeah, just a set. So, but it was cute. It was it was a fun one i Dean was, I think, pretty entertaining.
There were a lot of sad episodes this season, you know, first with the grieving of John Winchester and heart episode. I mean, I literally was crying by the end, so I was thankful for a more funny tongue in cheek meta type episode. Yeah, the timing was good. It was overdue. I was ready for it. It was cute. It was really cute. I enjoyed it. Gore. I mean, it was there was some pretty gory shit in this one the dude with his head like
split. Yeah, part of it hanging off to the side and the bloods BlueJ was how chunky it was chunky. I mean, it wasn't the goriest of gore but definitely more gore than we've seen in a while in this episode. Yeah. What did you have to worry about it, Dean? Dean.
I just liked how he got into the PA seeing him geek out. Yeah, it was cute.
It was cute. I already said I loved the I was I was ready for something more lighthearted. So I adored that about this episode. So into the lore, I decided to go with instead of like necromancy spell whatever, I decided to go with haunted movie sets. There was something that was mentioned during the episode, they talked about poltergeist and how that movie set was haunted. They also mentioned Three Men and a Baby.
There's a shot where it's like panning across the room and you see a little boy standing in a window. And it's one of those things that's been debated of was actually a person or is it something else that your mind is just trying to make sense of it and turning it into a person so they mentioned real movie set type things in the episode. That's what I decided to run with for the lore today. Okay. According to Adam tickets.com. Here's a list of movies that were believed to have been
haunted in real life. Number one, at took at UK if you've never heard of a took, that's because this movie was so cursed it never actually got made. Ironically, it wasn't even supposed to be a scary movie, a comedy about an Inuit Hunter using traditional techniques to that just sounds hilarious. I was using traditional techniques to survive in an urban environment is not the movie you would immediately suspect is ripe for a cursing yet
like Encino Man.
That's what it sounds like Encino Man. Yet many of the actors who signed on to play the lead role had died prematurely, including John Belushi, no damn, Chris Farley, and John Candy. Wow. Actors who were cast in supporting roles weren't immune either, with Phil Hartman also facing a violent and tragic early end after being attached to the film, and it would have been a great cast. I know. It's definitely a bit of a stretch to suggest that this movie was somehow involved in the deaths
of these actors. But it is quite an incredible coincidence that they all met an early demise after being involved. In any case, it's certainly interesting that multiple attempts to develop and produce this project have never come to fruition. Okay, number two, the Blair
Witch Project sometimes. I know it's like how much of these are just hype that they were building around the movie because I think that Blair Witch Project, they've been pretty open that they were just trying to build hype for the film originally like saying it was real and all of that. Yeah. Oh, no. Sometimes a well told ghost story is more powerful than the ghost itself. stories tend to
take on a life of their own. And that's exactly what happened with the Blair Witch Project, largely credited as the beginning of found footage horror movies. The Blair Witch Project is about a group of students making a film that investigates some local urban legends, including one about a mysterious abandoned house in the nearby forest. They go out to the woods to investigate, only to continually happen upon strange and eerie things in the
woods. There's a lot of lore about The Making of The Blair Witch Project, most of its self imposed. As we know, the movie had an unorthodox production style where scenes were set up throughout the forest, and the actors were left to their own devices to find them and improvise their reactions. This in tandem with their online marketing campaign that suggested the footage was actually real, and that the people and it were dead or missing, helped create a mythology around the movie
itself. Even though it's all been long since debunked by the filmmakers, many people still believe at least some of it was real. When I think of movies with actual hauntings, the player which project still comes immediately to mind as the legend surrounding it is what made it so notorious. This should not be on the list. This totally just said, Oh, it was all stories invented by everybody on the film, but I believe some of them like come
on. Well, for a while a lot of people did a ton of people still do. Yeah, a ton of people still do appropriate, but it's not true. poltergeists. Now, this one was actually mentioned in the episode, but not everybody necessarily knows it, and it was mentioned in passing, so I figured I'd go ahead and go into that, as it was far too expensive to make realistic rubber and plastic skeletons.
They opted to use real human skeletons on set for the scene in which actress Jo Beth Williams is pulled into the mud of her swimming pool by a bunch of skeletons.
I don't think they told anybody either. Like she didn't know nobody knew, but it's pretty fucked up. Also, where do you just get skeleton like,
where did they find skeletons? Yeah, hmm. Also, in the scene in which a clown puppet gets possessed and strangles one of the little boys, things went awry. During the filming of the scene, the mechanical clown puppet that was created to simulate the strangulation malfunctioned and actually started choking the actor during a take apparently, were a little baby. writer, producer, Steven Spielberg had to jump in and rescue the child actor from his inanimate attacker. Where was everybody else? Why
did the director have to know?
I don't know. Maybe other people didn't realize that something had gone wrong. Yeah, Steven Spielberg did
I mean he is the one paying the most attention, I would guess.
But I don't I don't know how true these things are. But that's what that's what's in these articles. This article. This article, isn't the Article.
Article.
No matter what poltergeist will always be known as a cursed set for the fates that befell the cast to cast members of poltergeist and another two from the sequels faced untimely strange deaths after finishing the films. Next up, we got the conjuring franchise. Another scary movie, oh, franchise, supposedly, pretty much every movie in the conjuring universe has had some spooky happenings on set.
Did they have the real Ed and Lorraine on set? Do you know on any of them?
I don't know. I know it's based on their real life experiences. Yes. And paranormal investigations, but I don't know how involved. They've been in the actual I think they were involved in the first one. Yeah, but I don't know how involved
probably just consultants, I guess.
I would think so. Are they still alive?
I don't know. Anyway, sorry. I'm getting off track.
No, you're fine. But anyway, there have been so many reports of strange paranormal happenings on the sets that it's hard to pick just one. They're all equally creepy, says Adam tickets. Annabelle had reports of light fixtures falling on actors and the conjuring had actors finding mysterious bruises on their bodies. But the paranormal activity on the set of the nun was especially interesting, because this is one of the few cases where there was just a good old fashioned
haunting on set. Director Corrine Hardy stated that he encountered to spirits while filming on location at a fortress in Romania. He stepped into a room while the cameras were rolling and found two people he assumed were crew members. When the cameras stopped rolling, and he turned around, they were gone. They were shooting on location in a very old fortress, so it's possible those ghosts were there for other reasons, and had nothing to do with the movie itself. But still, they saw some
ghosts up in that bitch. Last we have the exorcist. She has a reputation for being one of the scariest movies of its time, which always cracks me up. I've read stories about people having to leave the theater people like getting nauseous. People being so terrified of that movie, and I remember I remember watching that movie when I was like a kid and not being scared.
I don't think it was like the first of its kind. I feel like probably never really seen anything like it.
So there were a ton of things that went wrong on set from set malfunctions to two different actresses sustaining significant injuries during stunts gone wrong. This led to many believing that there was some malicious entity on set, giving the filmmakers a hard time. Perhaps the biggest evidence of supernatural meddling was a suspicious fire that forced the production to rebuild much of the set, which I
had no idea about that. It was theorized that a bird flew into some electrical equipment on set, but the resulting fire destroyed a large section of set while mysteriously leaving Reagan's room alone. If you've seen the Exorcist, you know, that was the area the demon most frequently occupied in the film. The superstition around this film is so great. Some believe it's dangerous to even play the movie. Oh, doing so invites negative entities toward you as the urban legend goes, similar
to using a Ouija board. Oh, I found out they couldn't use the toy Weegee board made by I don't think we ever figured it out. Because of licensing copyright issues or something like that. And the season premiere in my time of dying. The did he is a toy one though. It was a toy one but it wasn't a Weegee board. Like said walk said like talking seance or something. I see I
see. Anyway, those are five movie sets that are were supposedly haunted, except for this one with Blair Witch, where they basically admit that everyone confessed it was all made up shit, and yet they listed it anyway.
Well, it wasn't time. I guess it was considered before
they people build it. Yeah, people still believe it too. Yeah, well, cool.
I like it. Close
it out. We got a quote from Sam. Oh, we got a quote from Sam, where he's talking to Dean. And he says, you know, maybe the spirits are trying to shut down the movie because they think it sucks. Because I mean, it kind of does.
Share it seems like it seems like shear.
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