Fallen Idols (5x5)

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I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now, let's get tipsy.

Hello, la.

Hey Burley.

Last episode, we covered the end. Sam told Dean that he wanted to get back together, get the team back together to go and fight the apocalypse and get redemption by killing Lucifer. But Dean told Sam No, no, no. We are better off a part. Later Dean awoke five years in the future Cynthia by Zachariah in an abandoned city, and he got attacked by humans who had been infected with the demonic virus that turns humans into zombies. Zachariah told Dean that this is what's going to happen if you

I know.

I don't know why that's there.

By the way, Misha Collins was in it

too. Yeah. And he was hairy. He was hit Oh, yeah. He was hippy Castile. Hippie Cassia. Was there too. And Chuck?

Yeah, you know, scruffy beard, not like the beard he had at the convention. That made me more attractive to me

made me more attractive. That is an amazing trick. I wish Misha Collins beard made me more attractive.

I meant it made me more attracted to him. With the beard.

So you'd like to hippie Castile? No, no. Well, I

mean, I did, but

not as much as I'd be Misha Collins.

But no, you're getting the you're getting this all wrong. Correct me he looked the best at the convention with a clean beard. Not so scruffy and hippyish

he didn't look the best at the convention. Do you? Did you thought that was number one for you?

No, he'll never be number one for me. But

the way you said it. Oh my god. How dare you?

Know, he just like that was the best to me. I've seen him look. Okay. took for me. Yeah, yeah. Got it. Like I was like, Oh, I'm not usually like, oh, Misha, but I was like, oh, Misha,

okay. He did look good. Yeah. So anyway.

All right. Today's episode is called fallen idols. It's the fifth episode of The Fifth Season. And it aired October 8 of 2009. We start out with these two dudes, two guys, friends, cow, and Jim. Challenge him. Okay. And Cal is leading gym into the garage and there's clearly a car under this big tarp. And they're very excited about it. I like and he takes the little tarp off and unveils its I don't know what kind of car it is. Doesn't say on here. It was a Porsche so I saw that

prosperity across. Yeah,

there we go. And as he's like getting the camera going, he hears like what is essentially sounds of a crash which is very odd. And so he walks back in to find cow's head like basically like, slammed into the way yeah, like almost his head almost cut into. It was not a good sight.

What I didn't understand was, you know, showed through the camera lens him behind the shelving storage. But then he was on the other side of the shelving storage and we were seeing him right. And he's still being like cow, what do you do? What was going on in here, cow. And then he had to get right up on it before he went, Oh my God. What happened? Just like what were you videotaping?

Maybe bad lighting. Maybe he was that you didn't see that? He wasn't in focus. And he was just watching that. The camera he was just

blurry, but we saw the video camera later. I guess he was just taping In the car and wasn't actually looking at Cal maybe even though he was going Cal buddy, but you to do it here Cal and then all the blood pouring over the back of the car. But you didn't spot any of that until you got right up on the driver's side door.

I guess Jen's just not very observant my guess not

be more aware of your surroundings, Jim.

So after that we're in the car with the boys. And I guess Dean is the one that found this situation with Cal and he decided that they need to go check it out. Sam's like don't really have bigger fish to fry right now. Like, we're on a mission here. And seems like the apocalypse is gonna be there when we're done. Sam just is like a little skeptical. And like, he's like, okay, whatever.

which had me questioning how much time is supposed to have passed since they had their picnic and separated and went to different ways? Because it hasn't been that many episodes. We're only on the fifth episode. Yeah. So how much time is supposed to have passed? I know that at the beginning of this episode, they said something about we've been looking for the Colts for three weeks. So I guess it's probably been a few months. Yeah,

I guess. Okay. They're a little maybe they're a little rusty.

Got it. Continue. Thank you.

So they go to Canton, which did what does it say in here, Ohio. Oh. So they go to Canton, Ohio, which is where? What happened with cow and Jim. And they go talk to the sheriff. And the sheriff is just like what Jim Grossman did it. Use the only one they're the only one like at the scene how to be him. The guys go and chat with Jim and he tells them about how he heard the crash. And then he says like, it's the car that did it. It wasn't me. So sounds

driver died in it. And last time. Last time it was seen it was supposedly in storage on the back of a truck and went missing and it's it's never been found since until now. Well on the show until now, but in real life. I don't think it's been found still.

Oh, that's what you meant. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, they need the engine number to know if it is actually James Dean's car so Dean gets under there and he's clearly a little scared.

Can Dean get in your undercarriage LA? Could he Yeah. Yeah. I was about to say you gave that a little more thought that I would have thought was necessary. Oh,

my God. I just realized I open one and I still have one to finish. Oh, you're fine. Who cares, Lord, anyway? Yeah, yeah. Any day anytime.

Any day. Get up in this under care? Yeah.

So yeah, he's real apprehensive under that. Sam pops out of nowhere, just like you need a flashlight. Yeah. He's like, could you buzz off? Could

Sam get in your undercarriage and

stop it. You're distracting me.

I'm sorry. undercarriage.

Anyway, he gets the number and they realized they find out that it is not James Dean's car, which he like hands the number off to Sam and is like, Hey, you're gonna have to go and search for this. All the way back to 1955. Make sure you get every owner that owned the car. Yeah,

I'm distraught. Yeah. From being in the undercarriage. I need to go take a break. Yeah.

And so you need to go do all this research. Yeah. So he goes Rhobar while Sam goes and does all the work,

and as a creep again. Yeah. Being a creep again. Well,

after we find out that it is not James Dean's car,

which you and I had this conversation that if the VIN numbers are the same, like couldn't it be the car but just a different engine? Yeah.

We're thinking too much into it. I guess. So. But yeah, so now we see this guy. He's at his desk, his cleaning lady maid. She's taking off for the night saying goodbye. And I forgot to mention in the beginning right before cow dust, his breath like cold. And so this guy is sitting at his desk and this happens after Consuela leaves. And he turns around and we don't see what what he's looking at but he's very shocked and says you're supposed to be dead which would not mean my reaction if I

is Abraham Lincoln doing? angry angry Abraham Lincoln and he was like growling and stuff. Yeah,

he was very mad. Oh my. But yeah, so for some reason Abraham Lincoln is in this guy's office and then decides to shoot him in that.

And we get our 23rd Blood splooge of the supernatural series. As we see blood splatter all over picture hanging on the wall. It was I totally thought because a Abraham Lincoln just seemed so angry and was like reaching for him. And the noise that happened. I thought he squeezed the dude's head. Yeah. wheezed until he exploded or something like that. Yeah, I didn't realize it was a gunshot wound until they said that

But we do learn because the guys heard about this death. So they go talk to the sheriff again. And the sheriff tells him he was shot in the head. It's

been shot. No gun. Yeah, nothing. No weapon. Yeah.

The sheriff thinks that it's a trained assassin that came and did this. And of course the boys are like, okay. So they go talk to Consuela, and there's a bit of a language barrier there but they eventually get out of her that she saw Abraham Lincoln that's who killed her boss. And they're like, Okay, they go back to do some research and Dean is looking at the video that Jim did of the car that night that Cal died. He ends up seeing a reflection in like the I think

That's what's happening in Canton, Ohio.

Yeah. They're like, well, that doesn't make sense. Ghosts usually haunted places like they lived so let's not really adding up. And they discovered that there is a wax museum in town so they go visit that the guy is it the You said he was a security guard.

I thought it was a security guard because of the outfit. But then we found out his jacket was the Fonz is leather jacket. So maybe it was the owner. So I don't think it really matter. I

wasn't sure. Oh, well, I just didn't I didn't see that. So I was like, Yeah,

I thought he was gonna be the bad guy. But he's not. No, he's just a sweet little fanatic. Yeah, who's really enthusiastic about wax? Yeah.

But he's very excited that the guides are there and they're posing as journalists. And they're going to do an article on the museum and he tells them that it is actually Abraham Lincoln's real hat that is on the wax figure. They have D James Dean's actual keys. And like you said, he said he's wearing which inappropriate wearing the Fonz is jacket. So the guy is really Okay, so these items are what's I guess haunting the area? They go back

straight up said it. Last episode that y'all were the fire and oil that started the apocalypse. Yeah. And we find out this episode that everyone does. No Dean played his part too.

So it's like, it's kind of shitty. He's like putting it on Sam. It bothers me. I don't like it. And it bothers me that Sam doesn't stick up for himself more to say, Hey, buddy, you did a first.

He's projecting. I know. Rather than taking on the guilt of not being able to stop his brother. It's easier for him to just be mad at his brother for doing it in the first place.

Well, when Sam does say something to him, Dean's like, whatever. Doesn't care, just like super cold about it. They leave to go back to the wax museum. And they're checking things out. Sam gets real up close and personal with Abes. wax figure. Dean had gone to get something or look at something. So he was probably going after the James Dean stuff. Oh, that's right. Yeah. All the doors close his gun he has in his hand goes flying. And then out of nowhere Gandhi attacks him from behind,

which we found out earlier in the episode that Sam is a fan of Gandhi. And that it's the real glasses on Gandhi's wax figure in the museum. Well,

if there's it's a big tussle, and Dean comes in, and is like, really Gandhi, he's like it's pretty squirrely. Sam's really struggling and he just like checking things out. And he's like, hello, get the glasses. So he grabs a glass SS throws them into a bucket burns them and Gandhi vanishes, but not in the usual way that we most of the time see our ghosts are ghosts, right? Disappear.

It's all ours. So it's all Yeah.

Afterwards they're discussing what happened. And as Sam mentions, like, it seemed that Gandhi almost wanted to, like take a bite out of him. Which didn't make sense because he tells Dean that Gandhi was a fruitarian which Dean found very delightful. Dean thinks we're done. We kill Gandhi. But Sam doesn't think it's over. Because none of this is making sense to him. Dedes

being very like, dickhead, I mean, he's been a dickhead the whole episode. Like whenever Sam was like, I thought we were doing a fresh start. And he's like, this is a fresh as it gets. And then in this scene, whatever Sam's like, Wait, like, I don't think we're done here. Dean's like, I'm the captain of this ship. I'm the captain now. Then

then Sam's like, Man, this isn't gonna work. Yeah, the ship's not gonna work. What did he say? What am I gonna be off of double secret probation, something like that. And he's like, you know, we can't do things the way it was before. We need to it needs to be a two way street here. We got to be on the same level. Oh, and then he tells them that part of the reason that he went off with Ruby was to get away from him.

Well, they figured out okay, it's not ghosts, because Paris Hilton is still alive. Right? So we missed something. So he's gone back and is looking at the victims bodies to see if he could find what they missed.

Sam cuts open the bodies of the victims and finds these little blacks. We'll learn a little they're kind of big seeds. Yeah, they

were I thought they were pits. pits of some Well, I guess pits or seeds, too. Yeah.

They're in each of the bodies. So he goes back to do some research. And he finds that the these particular seeds were from a forest in the Balkans and that there was a pagan god named Leshy, who would kill and feed on his worshipped worshipers. I think like he drained them of all their blood right, and then stuffed them with these seeds from the forest.

But the forest had been destroyed. Right. But

the does say they did see that the only way to kill less she was to chop their head off with an iron axe. So they head back to the wax museum. And they find Danielle She's unconscious tied to a tree. And then Paris Hilton comes out of nowhere and feeds the shit out of both of them will not be its job. She knocks both of them out. Yeah. And when they come to she's sitting there. Looking fabulous. Just sharpening a blade. Well, it's not obviously it's not her.

That happened there. Winchesters.

So Dean somehow gets loose because they're they were both tied up again. But Paris Hilton starts beating shit out yet again. Somehow Sam gets out of his. I mean, I guess, I guess Paris Hilton less. She sucks at tying knots, basically. And he gets loose and goes and gets the axe that they had brought with them and chops her head off and gets blood all over his face.

But we didn't see it actually splatter onto his face. So we didn't count it as a blood split.

Oh, yeah. And then he teases Dean that he got wailed on by Paris Hilton.

I got so excited thinking we were gonna see Jeffrey Dean Morgan, when she was whenever Dean was saying, like, you can't eat me because I don't worship Paris Hilton. And the Leshy monster was like, Oh, I know you don't worship Paris Hilton. But I also know who your hero is. One absent father figure coming up. I thought we were gonna see Jeffrey Dean Morgan for a second. But no, no, they got loose from their ties before that happened.

So then they're back at the hotel. They've packed up they're leaving. They mentioned that the sheriff said that Danielle is going to be fine. And they start talking about their little argument from before. Dean says he needs to loose loosen the leash on Sam. He

straight up apologized and said that he hadn't noticed how him being so protective and almost authoritarian was affecting Sam. So he was like, you know, I gotta chill out. I'm sorry. Yeah, it was sweet.

And that was it.

I love that he let Sammy drive though. Yeah, that was nice. This was written by Julie siege and directed by James L. Conway. So for gore. Obviously, we had the quite a bit of gore wasn't a blood splooge to kick off the series, but there was a lot of blood in the little bastard wreck. The blood splurge with Abraham Lincoln. Murder. And then, whenever Sam took that axe to Leshy at the end, when he really went to town

seemed like rope into it. Yeah, it was or at

least in some aggression, I think Oh, yeah. But I wouldn't say it was overdone. I still I still enjoyed the gore in this episode. Yeah, I liked it. I thought it was well done. Was there anything you adored in this episode?

I mean, I like that there. I like that the guys are talking to each other now in a more mature way and getting out what they need to get out. And in mostly a respectful way. And then, you know, compromising and working on it together. That's nice to see. But I also thought it was really funny seeing Paris she did a good job. I

thought Yeah, I was about to say I love Paris Hilton's. Yeah, I thought she did really well with it.

I mean, I think I've seen her like an cameos of other things, but I would say this is probably why can I talk probably my favorite she it was just really good.

It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. She was very tongue in cheek she looked fabulous. I mean, I adored Paris Hilton's cameo whenever you like, whenever the episode was first starting and I heard you a Paris because I missed it. And you went Paris Hilton's. In this because the credit or name? Yeah, at first I was kind of like, oh God, like I'm not gonna lie.

Same. Yeah. Well, I know. I was gonna say I'm not a big fan of her. But like, I really don't mind her. I don't I don't like her. I always like hated her. She did like the baby voice and stuff back in the day. I

don't think she's a good actress. Yeah, but I like her. I just personally don't think she's a good actress. So she was good in that she was yeah, she was really good in this. That was a pleasant surprise. She nailed it. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah, she nailed it. I thought she did really well. And I agree with you. I'm happy that Sam stood up for himself, and finally said, Listen, I'm already punishing myself, way worse than you could ever punish

got it,

I think. I don't know. There was a belief that those who returned from Leshy were transformed. They had to learn to speak again, their minds were damaged, or on the contrary, they became focused and serious, acquiring abilities for sorcery, predicting their own and others fates, and communicating with spirits. Those who returned were drawn back into the forest. They avoided people and often

marriage. And I mean, I can see how that probably was very lengthy. It's complicated. Yeah. This was

not even a third of everything on this Wikipedia page. It was a lot of stuff. And like I said, it would be like, Oh, he appeared, and he was the size of a giant. And the next one would be like, Oh, he appeared and he just was a dude. Okay, so what is it shapeshifter?

I thought you had said it was l e s h i That's how I spelled it.

That's what it was spelled like on the supernatural wiki. Oh, okay. But whenever I tried googling it and finding information that was not what I found. Okay, so Oh,

good. I'm glad I thought making no okay. I thought I thought you I misheard you. I thought you had said why in my mind, I just thought you said I thought that's it was me that misheard you know, slot. Okay, is it is a lot. Alright, to close it out. We've got a little combo with Sam and one of the girls that Paris Hilton snatch there, her friend Sam says it's okay, you're safe. Just tell us who took your friend. It was

Paris Hilton. Sorry. She looks really good though.

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