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Hello Burley.
Last episode was the season three finale for supernatural. No rest for the wicked. It was 30 hours before Dean's deal with the Crossroads demon was up. Dean Sam and Bobby were searching for Lilith who they found out from Bella that Lilith owned Dean's contract. They found her location. They go there Ruby shows up. But it turns out at some point we'll build from the little girl bollock body that she was vacating and took over Ruby's body instead, we're still not
sure how that happened. So Lilith had Sam and Dean in a room alone together and removed all their measures they had taken to try and keep hellhounds at bay and the hellhounds came and drag Dean away to hell. And twist Sam was immune to littlest powers. So Lillith freaked out and bailed. And Sam has just left their fold in his brother. His big bro. And Dean's and hell screaming for his baby. That's
right. He's all chained up.
Yeah, not in the fun way.
Exactly.
No. And that was no rest for the wicked. That's how Season Three ended.
We should have like, I know we do the blood splooge counts, but we should have really done like how many times they're tied up?
We totally should have met so many. I feel like there's been more maybe more but definitely at least as many blood spillages as there has been a Winchester tied up. Oh,
I think there's been many more types that are not even not even tied up.
Just what's the word? I'm looking for?
restraint. Yeah.
Do you love how I was like yes, I was trying to do I was
up against a wall
I'm like over you're sticking my tits out. I'm like holding my arms back and I love that you got it was going for that's awesome. That's amazing. So I manage our social media channels as you know, and and I've seen some posts here and there where people are saying, season three is by far the worst season out of all of supernatural and I gotta say, if this is the worst, I'm okay with that.
I am. Yeah. Like I wasn't bad at all. Yeah, I feel like we like we said I feel like this season. The visual effects really got its stride going. I'm hoping continues.
Yeah. And like the campiness at the beginning I didn't really like but same that tear it off after Dean finally started talking about the fact that he was scared and everything. I thought some of the episodes were incredibly creative. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
I'm surprised.
I mean, toward the end of the season, I wasn't too impressed with some of the episodes, but I also feel like they with the writer strike and everything. They probably were just having to function with what they had and wrap it up. I mean,
well, that was Yeah, I was gonna say like, well, the fans were so used to like these long, two seasons beforehand. And now this one was cut so short, so maybe that's part of it. Maybe they didn't get to explore as much as I guess they probably are used to,
maybe, maybe, but it's only the third one. Yeah, come on.
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But what are your overall thoughts on season three, aside from the special you've been talking about the special effects all season right. I have been really good.
Obviously, my main thing. Well, and yours too. We both, I think noticed it way more than from the first two seasons to the quality of what it is in this season. Which is a shame that it was such a short season that they've kind of like finally hit their stride in it. Yeah, but like I said, I hope it continues on and like gets even better. I'm sure as we go. But yeah, that was that's really been key and then it's some of the cinematography this season Mystery Spot.
I feel like the directors stepped it up this season. Yeah, like they did great in season one and season two. Don't get me wrong, but I feel like they really stepped it up this season.
I think like Mystery Spot dream, a little dream, the cinematography and everything. I mean, and special effects for Mystery Spot for
sure, too. Yeah. And the cast for Mystery Spot.
Well that yes, yes. Yeah,
we'll talk more about
but I didn't I didn't mind this season. Like Like you said in the beginning when it was can be very particular about my camp. I liked it. So I was I wasn't too sure
it took me once we got to a bad day at Red Rock. Isn't that what it was? Black Rock. Once we got to that one. I was sold on the camp. Yeah, it was too fun. I was I had too much fun. By the time we got to that episode. I was sold by that point. Yeah. And my whole thing about oh my gosh, it's like this because you know, Dean's putting on a show. Bah, bah. I totally made that up. And I would like to believe that's still the case. But I did listen to an episode of Supernatural then.
And now I'm in season two of the podcast where they had the DP surge. Surge. Laddus soar. Like to soar I got I got corrected on the pronunciation. Now
I want to correct it. She was helping you she was she
helped us. Yeah. Love this very sweet. His. The sweetness is what she said. Oh, that's right. We gotta we decided we're calling serge the sweetness from now on.
I was saying she was so sweet. But I forgot that. She said that. That's what that meant.
She is sweet. She's a total sweetheart. But yeah, Serge is the sweetness. So the sweetness was saying that. The executives told them, they had to make the season more colorful. So that really cool desaturated dark color of season one and season two, which was beautiful film quality, gorgeous shit. They were told they had to do more color. So now I'm second guessing my theory that well maybe they made it campy and cheesy because they were like, Fuck you that you're making us
make it more colorful. I don't know. I still like my theory that it was campy, because Dean was putting on a show. Yeah, that's gonna be my headcanon for season three. I like that.
Well, I wonder if MC G was behind. Part of the colorful change? Because I think I told you back in the day when he was doing his music videos. I could always tell it was his because of how colorful and crystal clear. The videos were just I mean, they just popped.
So one would think he at least helped whenever they were told they had to do Yeah. Because that is his his gig, that sort of thing. Yeah. So one would think that he helped with that. I bet. I'm not sure. All right. So we're talking about the special features today. How do you want to do this la you're running the show today? Well,
Chi Chi. Oh, okay. Well, Special. Special features are one of my favorite things. I actually kind of miss when you used to buy like the DVDs. And you had like the special features menu, which I think sometimes now, when you buy them like you buy stuff on Fandango or whatever, right? Do they have? Do they still have the uh huh. Okay, good.
Oh, wait, let's also talk about how we're dumb asses real quick. So one of our criticisms of season two was that the special features were these short little speech rights. And we were like, This is bullshit. This should have been on each of the discs so that we could watch the special feature right after the episode. Well, that's exactly what they did on the season three blu ray by the way.
But we didn't notice it until we were halfway through the season that the special features were on every single disc and that we could have watched this feature at after each episode. So if today's season finale is just as disjointed as season two is, it's our fault this time.
I kind of like no, but honestly, like, I kind of like watching it this way. Because it's it's a refresher for me of each episode, like, of each episode they talk about, you have the better memory than me, obviously, I don't always remember stuff. So I kind of like a little it's almost like a little recap of each episode where they talked about and then little like tidbits and, you know, fun facts or whatever
and things we thought about certain episodes while we were watching it or right after we watched it and recorded after you have some time to kind of mull it over a little bit or see additional episodes. I like I've changed some things that I think about some episodes, you know, so I agree even I kind of like doing it this way now. So I feel bad for being so critical about season two special features. Because I was I was real pissed about you were you were I wasn't
a fan. All right. So now that we've covered that you take it over,
okay. Now they didn't do every episode. But we're the ones they did do. We'll talk about and then we'll go from there. The first one up was the Magnificent Seven. And each each little thing was like scene. specifics that that was kind of each each one's title. And I liked that it was Ken manners, right? For this one. And I like that he said he his approach for this one was that he wanted to make it a lot like the original westerns, which I totally did
not pick up on. But as soon as he said it, it was like, Oh,
I don't think I've seen the original Magnificent Seven. I saw though remake that they did.
I haven't seen either of them. But I I know what? What
you know what, Lester? Okay. Yeah, I'm not as familiar. So,
like the spaghetti westerns, and Clint Eastwood and all that. Oh, yeah. But as soon as he said it, I was like, Oh, I, I get what do you say? And he specifically was talking about the scene where the car crashed into the bar. And then it was like the bar fight with vampires or whatever. Was it vampire? No, demon. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, he said, I always wanted to ask
you Do you love a good vampire?
And then I thought it was cool commenters were saying when they trap the demon, with the devil's trap on the ceiling. And he was saying that they he was like, I had to break a ceiling in this episode. And he said that they used hydraulics to basically create that split and break open the ceiling. And then you mentioned that you shoot the scene. You do that. And then it takes 45 minutes for them to derive it and do it again, for any reshoots. So, I mean, I
mean, I already know. Like, it's a crazy amount of what goes into shooting all these things, and whatnot. But it's like, when they say stuff like this, it just reminds you like, Oh, my God, like how much work how much work and patience. And then your favorite, it was her introduction and this. This is Ruby. And I liked it because and that scene, her introduction was kind of, I mean, not even kind of it was a badass scene, where she like, busted in there and killed everybody with that.
Her special knife with like the carvings on it. So I'm guessing that's what makes it special. Like the
like the call. Yeah. So that I liked that. Plus, I have to say, Kim, man, obviously, he's brilliant. And like, does these episodes and he's so good, but does that man have any emotions?
He does, because I can't remember if it was a panel. But Jared and Jensen, were talking about the bugs episode. And how they were expected to go into this thing with like, a lot of BS, and Cam manners was telling them to get in there. And they were like, no, like, they didn't want to go in there. And they were like, You go in there and he like stomped off and went in there and just like stood in the middle. Just like get your asses in here. Kind of thing. Yeah, he's a badass.
I love that. Well, the only reason I said it was just because interview anything. Like he's like, he's just kind of monotone just talking about it. And just like, like, he you could tell he was excited about the hydraulics with the ceiling, in the way he was speaking. But at the same time, it was just like, still monotone like just, I just thought that was funny. Yeah. The next one was The Kids Are All Right, which did make me chuckle and crypkey chuckled
quite a bit. And then he's taught he starts out talking about how, at the beginning of this season, he was a new dad brand new dad to a little boy. I wrote this quote down because I thought it was so funny and I feel like So many people don't talk about this. And this is coming from someone who doesn't have kids. But I mean, I have plenty of family and friends who have like, three kids each. And
it's insane. And, you know, but he was like, I just think, you know, so many people don't talk about what's dark and creepy. And I just thought that made me chuckle. And then the fact that they made this episode, after he just had a newborn, and like, it was like, inch. So into it just, it's so funny. And then the even more terrible, he was so excited about the scene where the mom drowns her kid in the car, and he was like,
He's laughing while he's describing it.
And I was just like, at the same at the same time, I'm like, I'm there. I'm with you. But at the same time, it's
terrible. Like, I mean, you will not be laughing You and I have been laughing while we're talking about some things on our podcast that we should not have been laughing. We were discussing it. So I totally understand where he's coming from. But just like
his, it was just like, such a little kid and him like he was just so excited and thought it was like, so brilliant
and funny. He's like, demented that I love it. Yeah.
Well, if I take anything away from these special features that we just watched, it's that aircraft keys a little off, and I like it. I don't mind it.
I don't. Yeah, that's how he went on to do the boys. Let's not forget that.
Oh, I know. I know. So I just that made me chuckle and I always say like kids can be really creepy. Yeah,
I think we might have talked about it back on the episode. But I've heard many stories. I don't have kids either. But I've heard many of stories of parents talking about, like waking up in the middle of the night to their kid just like standing by the bed staring at them. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, how do you not scream in their faces? Whenever that happened? One
of our closest friends. When they first moved into their house, she had just perfectly vacuumed all the rooms before they moved anything in. And she went into one of the rooms and there were tiny little footprints and the carpet. Like a kid. Yeah. And then her middle child has on multiple occasions, actually, the middle child and the oldest child on multiple occasions mentioned seeing somebody in like, they wake up in somebody's there watching them. And I'm just like, No, no,
my mom said whenever I was little, I would do different voices so well, when I was in my room playing by myself that she would have to come to my room and peek in and make sure that I was by myself. You should have been a ventriloquist. I think I've lost the talent for it. I've lost the halfcourt or if I had like a ghost friend that was actually talking to me, they abandoned me at some point. That's probably why I have so many issues.
Do you ever see that movie?
dropped dead Fred? Yes, of course. I love that movie. Or like the other thing that about kids that creeps me out a little bit? It shouldn't. Because all of us did it. But I just think it's creepy that like, their teeth all fall out. And they just like will come up and be like, Oh, no, you know, like, they'll come up and show you like, my tooth is loose and like wiggle their teeth at you. And it's like,
I'd say get away go away. Because I had a problem when my teeth were doing that. Like I had a real problem giving them up. I would have been I would have the tiniest little thread of skin. Still holding on to one and I still would not rip it off. But like,
I ate one and I was so upset. We were at the fair. I had a loose tooth and I was eating a caramel apple. Oh, well that'll and it came off in the apple and I swallowed it.
Was it bloody?
I don't know. I swallowed it.
You didn't have any blood afterward?
I don't remember blood. Wow. Okay. But you have to remember I was also a kid on a leash. So I wasn't I wasn't very observant or self aware. When I was a child. I was that kid on a leash. Now what was the Mad TV sketch was like, oh my god, I remember. That was me.
Well, okay, so I'm gonna preface this again. I don't have children. But I have seen I have seen people with these. Like, it's a harness. Yeah. And they have. I think it's genius. How did you hear about so the kid was at the mall, and he wandered off and was snatched.
I have I when I was a kid like I definitely can tell you. At minimum about three different times that I was almost kidnapped. I do not blame my parents at all for putting me on a leash. Yeah.
And then I'm so psycho about my dogs and I get so angry if I see another dog that's not on a leash. So that yeah, if I had kids, they would be on a leash
if you and I went out somewhere and you wanted to put me on a leash now. I don't know that I would blame you.
Yeah, I probably need to it's been so long. He'll he'll stay.
Oh say You know
after all the kid talk, we are back. I should say that we are at Bad Day at Black Rock. I liked this because first of all bed. No.
What character is this bed? England. He's a I love him. I love Ben
Ben Edlund. He looks like he should be in a 90s rock band.
There were a lot of times where I felt like we were looking at the bus behind the scenes of like a Sugar Ray music video.
Yes. You mentioned that and I totally agree
with the hairstyle. It was the facial hair and so yeah, there's
there's one we'll get to it. But there's one just on like special features or whatever. It was like, what? I don't want to talk about it yet. But we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. But yeah, when I saw Ben Edlund, and I've seen him before, but I just like kept the I kept coming up with not Chris Cornell. There's another Chris somebody. I was just like, oh, he looks like a lead singer of a 90 span. Yes, I'm sore. But he
seems like a cool dude. And I liked that he called the brothers the boys like I do. Yeah. He kept as he was speaking through it. He said he called them the boys. And I was like, yes,
you can. You pointed that out. You want the boys? Yeah, he said the boy.
And then we had another intro. This was Bella's intro. And I liked that he he mentioned that how hard it is for them to introduce females into this kind of universe, which I never
really thought about. But again, and this is another situation like we've talked about, which is so I mean, this literally really complex and layered, but the fact that like, it's so hard for them to bring in these female characters, to test the boys as to whether like they would really ever take the chance to have a relationship and leave one another, you know? And I just like, oh my god, I never thought about that mean either. Totally makes sense. Why we never have any like, female
character. There's not one lead female character that is around in this series.
While Ben adilyn was talking. I remember going Where's Joe? Yeah, what happened to Joe? We haven't seen Joe all season. You leave it off on an episode where I find her really intriguing. And I want to see her more. And now we've gone the whole season without her right. We haven't seen her since born under a bad sign in season two.
Where's Joe? Well, that and then so for each boy like Dean had the one girl well, he has had to the one girl that he was truly in love with. Back in what was it season one?
Season one route? 666? Yes. Cassie? Yes. With the fab hair.
Right. And so but obviously, I think it was It wasn't her choice. Like she was like, No,
it was it was it was like a high school romance kind of thing. First love kind of situation. And Dean had started trying to tell her about what he and his family did. And she didn't believe him and thought he was making it up. So that he would have a reason to break up with her. So she dumped him first. What's their story? Okay.
And then he also had the, what was the kid's name?
Lisa was the mom's name. The kid's name was Ben. Yes. So he had her they framed that as like a fling though. They didn't really frame that as like a love.
But my point is, is like those are the only two significant situations. I feel like that could have pulled him away from Sam potentially. Okay, yeah, but then Sam has only had that one. Jessica. Jessica. Yeah. Well, I don't know Jessica. And then what was the girl with the artwork?
I don't remember her name and provenance but the same thing I feel like that was more like Lisa situation where it was just they probably had a good weekend together and then said goodbye.
Right. But I'm saying like, those are the only ones that have been like somewhat, I say significant in quotes. Okay, gotcha. That following. You are like potentials, I guess you could say, but other than there was
also the werewolf chick, but you know, she got killed that was that remind me in heart, the werewolf that Sam hooked up with? I
forgot about her. Oh, I
loved her panties. Yeah, with a panty basket.
Okay, all right. Well, maybe I'm maybe my theory. There's bad but
well, though she got killed. Yeah, they had to kill her at the end. So it's not like she's gonna come between them. She's done.
Yeah. Well, I'm just saying like his comment and saying that made me think back like, I was like, oh, it's like, it's surprising that there's not been one woman in either of their lives that has like, made such an impact on them to take them away from this love fest of brotherly love.
Yeah, I was gonna say he specifically said you can't take them away from the brotherly love or whatever you want to call it. You can't split up Sam and Dean. Yeah, I agree.
I had never looked at it that way until then said that.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, like we can be fairly certain not 100% But we can be fairly certain Bella is not going to be coming back. Yeah. Based off of that whole writing writing them hard comment, we can be fairly certain that the actress who was portraying Ruby won't be coming back. Right. But I hope Joe comes back. Joe was left alive. She was doing well. She was working in a bar hunting on her own.
I think it would be odd if they didn't at some point address Joe,
bring her back. I agree. I agree. Yeah. What happened to Ellen? Yeah, she was helping them significantly at the end of season two. She was in the finale. Yeah, she helps them close the house. Where is she? I agree. Well, like that needs to be addressed
in one of these special features. They mentioned they wanted to have Jeffrey Dean Morgan come and play in one of the scenes. I can't remember which episode but they said he wasn't available. So who knows? Maybe that country? Maybe there was a scheduling conflict. True? We don't know. But, but yeah, I think it will be very odd. If we never if they if they're never mentioned again. I agree. So we'll have to see. So next up,
we have Red Sky at Morning. And this one was really the VFX guy kind of talked more than anything about this episode for the behind the scenes, or what was it scene? Scene specifics?
Yeah,
I liked that. He said that. Now this was the one with the ghost ship and all that. And the shower scene. He said that he they approached the scene like a serial killer coming upon its prey. And it was totally that. And I loved that. Except for the unrealistic water pressure. And the unrealistic head. Aerial head flip. She does in the shower.
Yeah. bothered me. Well, that wasn't his fault. True. That wasn't the special effects guys fault.
I loved that. And this one will be quite the very end where they're at the graveyard. He said that he was he's in you could tell he got like excited about this. And I wish I should have written his name down because he's and so I even I even something. Yes. He's very Canadian, for sure. And he's constantly in like a half zip. Zip up all over. Which I love. So
yeah, he'll cozy. Yeah.
He was talking about this last scene. And I think he I don't think he called it his baby, but somebody else called something else. But it was similar. He was specifically talking about when it's raining. And then the two brothers, we think that Sam is doing this exorcism, but he's really actually summoning the other brother who was killed with he was
he killed him. He summoned, he sent his brother to death, right?
And so he shows up. And it really is a cool scene. And he said they had to do it. 1000 frames per second. They made it look essentially that like one brother, like smashed into the other brother. And they both just became liquid, this liquid burst and then fell to the ground. And they were gone. But he was explaining it that it was like a bucket of water thrown on one of them. And like the way they were able to do it was because of the 1000 frames per second. And made it look the way
it does. And it's very layered. Yeah, the way it ended up looking. But I just liked his excitement about it. Like you could tell he was like that passion there. Like he loves what he does. And it was a really cool scene.
It was I remember when we were doing that episode saying that I didn't understand what was supposed to be happening there. As far as storyline went, Yeah. However, as far as visually, I don't want to say flawless because I'm not a visual effects person. And I'm certain a visual effects person would be able to find a flaw. But as far as somebody who has no expertise in the area whatsoever to me, it was flawless. It was artistic and beautifully done. I have no idea
storyline wise. What was supposed to have happened there. Did they like tumble into each other into the afterlife together? They moved on? They're both in heaven. They're shaking hands. I don't know. But just looking at it. It was super fucking cool.
Yeah. I loved it.
It doesn't always have to make sense. You know? True. Sometimes it can just be fucking cool to look at. Yeah, I'm good with that.
Yeah. And they are good about that. So So yeah, those were little tidbits from that one. And then the next one was a very supernatural Christmas. Oh, and who was it was Eric it was Eric crypkey. And this one speaking for the most part, and he was talking about how they were trying to find the anti claws which I was like I had never really heard it said that way and I thought it was funny.
And that he again in his little like he's talking about Christmas and all these things but then wanting to turn it on its head and be like brutal. He said he wanted to make the most brutal anti holiday holiday episode possible. And I also liked that he was talking about that the scene where Santa the The anti claws I guess, comes and goes upstairs beats the
husband puts them in a bag. I forget what he did to the wife but drags the husband in the bag downstairs, right next to the child that standing there and grabs one of the cookies and eats it all while the child just standing there staring at him. And it's set. And he's like, if we think about it, it's such a fucked scene. And he said that he regularly gets calls from his family where they're like,
what's wrong with you? And he said, this specifically was one where he got many calls, like, what is wrong with you to do that? And I thought that was hilarious. Well, one last thing about the Christmas special that I thought was cute that Eric crypkey Where it says special, like the graphics special, was so excited about it was, I think he said it was from some 80s special back in the day. And he was so excited. He found it. But then they couldn't find the
audio. They couldn't find the person that made the art like that, or no, no, I'm sorry, like the music that went along with it and everything. But he just I it was such a simple thing. And I remember seeing and I was like, oh, that's totally like 70s 80s Yeah, we thought that but just the fact like he was so that was like the one thing he pointed out that he was so excited about and like that it obviously took them some work to get it done and get it how he
wanted it. So I just thought that was really cute.
I have learned since we've started this little journey of ours, that Star Wars has a lot of inspiration from crypkey First supernatural, you know that Sam is like Luke and Dean is like Han Solo and yada yada. And I believe that I don't remember it. I haven't seen it in freakin decades. So I don't remember for sure. But I know there was a Star Wars Christmas special. And whenever he was talking about it, and geeking out about it, and so excited
over it. I did wonder did this happen at the beginning of the Star Wars Christmas Special? Is this why it was so important? Oh, I wonder. I'm curious. I don't know the answer to that question. But I am curious if that was from the beginning of the Star Wars.
That would make sense why he was so like geeky about it. Yeah, yeah. Agreed. Interesting. Okay. Next up is Dream a Little Dream. And this one was funny, I thought because crypkey was talking about how it was supposed to be Dean's dream. And Jason was supposed to be in it. They had talked to I guess, this film studio about getting the character rights. They had already created like a replica of the masks, whatever, the
costume everything. And he said that the studio came back and was like, Oh, we don't have the right character. Sorry.
I thought this was interesting. Because in tall tales, there was a monster that showed up that I thought was very much like Jason. He had the chainsaw, he had the mask. When we were watching the special feature. I just kind of thought, Well, how did y'all get away with doing that? In tall tales, but you couldn't just use the same thing for this episode.
That's interesting. I don't know. Because yeah, he specifically said that. No, maybe it was like to a tee perfection. Like wrestling.
CJ, much like Jays. Yeah. And the tall tales one was just different. And
maybe. And yeah, because he said it was supposed to specifically be him. They didn't have a rights and they just use like, they just kind of shrug their shoulders like Sorry. And so they had to like go back to the drawing board. Even though they had they were literally at the point where they were ready to film with this replica and
whatnot. And I liked that. He he kind of did a play between Sam and Dean how we we see Dean kind of as the creeper a lot of the times and Mr. Like suave or he thinks he's so suave with the ladies and whatnot. And then there's sweet Sam who's just innocent and whatnot. But he's the one who's kind of like the horndog. His words, not mine.
Yeah, in this episode, but then we realize like, like, deep down like Dean is the one that wants like the typical family life, and is almost like embarrassed by it when he sees Sam seeing that. That's his dream or whatever.
Yeah, they flipped it in the dream world where Sam was having the raunchy sex dream. And Dean was dreaming of picnic and family and all that other kind of stuff.
Yeah. And this is another one I feel like were they told him to make or I'm sorry, told him to use more color. Definitely showed in this episode.
Oh, yeah. We talked about that a lot in our recording dream, a little dream just they did a variation of color in this episode, where they would go back and forth from desaturated to intense bright, right, beautiful. It was beautifully done.
And then he talked a little more extensive Leon, the Dean on Dean scene and how, when, of course watching it, you already realized this but just him saying how it's the same actor playing two different roles. But every single time you see each one on the screen, you know exactly who it is, even though it's the same character and or not simple character, I'm sorry, what is essentially same character but different sides of them. And the same actor, and he's totally right. And it was
just it. And he was kind of bragging on Jensen for it and how it happened. But it was a great scene, and I kind of liked that he touched on it a little more.
Same. That was the scene that he was talking about that it was originally supposed to be Dean talking to his dad in the dream world. But then Jeffrey Dean Morgan wasn't available because he was filming Watchmen. Excellent movie, if you haven't seen it, by the way, you should totally check it out. But they had to go back to the drawing board for that scene and decided
to do the Dean on dean. And it just, I gotta say, I, I think I liked that better than it would have been Jean Dean talking to John.
Oh, I agree. Because it was Dean facing reality finally, like, facing him has his insecurities and all that.
Yeah, we just talked about it to me like I was crazy for a while you were lifting up your shirt. What were you doing? But we talked about it in our episode on this, the psychology behind it behind all these things that we do the negative self talk self destruction, it just emulated all of that in a visual form so well. So I liked the deen on D and I'm happy that that's what they ended up with.
I agree. And then we had jus in bello juice and Bella just mellow. I don't know, whatever. But they talked about how they wanted to how they kind of came up with the concept of Hendrix send off like bringing him back in and then his send off in the same episode. And Sarah gamble. Sarah gamble. Yes. That's the name, I think. So. She, again, I like how every time they're talking about these episodes, they all like giggle through their interviews, talking about
them the same thing. And she said that they went back and forth that originally the new demon leader they forget it was some name with Aziz Zachary, Zachariah, or is there. I don't know what it was. But she said that that's what they kept referring to this new leader that was going to be coming in in this episode that they knew of, but they just hadn't come up with the actual character yet. And I think she and Eric crypkey had a conversation where she mentioned what if it was a
woman, female. And then I think, I don't know if it was him or her but mentioned being a little girl. They didn't know if they wanted to be a little girl or a woman. But they obviously ultimately ended up doing the little girl. But Sarah mentioned again, the Eric had just had a child. And I think she again said something about how what? I think I wrote it. Oh, she said, There's nothing creepier than a
little girl. Yeah. And then she was like, and then on top of that, like adding a British accent accent and that's, that's even creepier? I don't know why people I don't know why, but it probably has to do with why you liked Bella over. I just thought that was funny. And I mean, she's not wrong.
In Resident Evil. The little girl AI thing in the hive, or whatever it's called, has a British accent. And I gotta say, I've never really thought about it before. But when Sarah Campbell said that, while we were watching the special feature, it was the first thing that popped in my mind was Resident Evil and the creepy little AI girl talking in a British accent and everybody while they're all getting slaughtered throughout the film. So So yeah, she might be onto something there.
Right. Yeah,
I do have some notes. First of all, I would like to point out that our listeners would like to know, what's the word? I'm looking for overindulged, I guess? Because I posted a warning on social media before a dream, a little dream and Mystery Spot that we overdid it. And that was honestly just being self conscious and trying to warn our listeners, like our western listeners, that we were a little sloppy in those episodes, and we knew it like we knew it. Yeah, we knew we were
sloppy. We knew we overdid it. And I was just like, posting a warning like, we know, okay,
we know was it more for my commentary or
both? Both, okay, and those two episodes broke records by far for having the most downloads on the day of their release. And within seven days after they're still breaking risers at the time of this recording,
what are they breaking right
so I just want to say like, you guys are maniacs and I love you. Yeah, you're unhinged
guys. Yeah, you
are. The other note I have have is that injustice and below you and I sound like almost aggressive and angry about the lack of skin. And I have a theory. We're getting tired of it. I have a theory though. So after we did Dream a Little Dream of Me and Mystery Spot, and we realized we were way too gone. And we needed to sober up a little bit. And we sat down to eat some jack in the box and sober up. And we put
Kings of Con on. Oh, yeah. And within like 30 minutes, Rob and rich showed more skin than we've seen in three seasons of supernatural. Yeah. And I feel like when we came back and did Justin bellow that that just added to us being like, what the hell? Yeah, why are y'all rich? And Rob understand the assignment. They showed the goods. Yeah, kudos written. Rob. Yeah, thank you. Listen, if I knew this was gonna be a thing.
If I was a hot lady, and I had that confidence, and I knew that that's what the people wanted to see. Go for
it given to it. Like literally first episode of Kings con. Rob gets his robe stripped off. You get to see it. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Well, but nice. Yeah. No crack, but side by side by Yeah. But it was still nice. Yeah. I enjoyed it. Then we get rich later. The orange juice blocking Yes. He had that vitamin C hiding his D
Mm hmm.
So I thought it was funny that I know we watched that and then we came back to record Justin Bella when we're just like,
what the fox actually frustrated
blame the kings like Colin, Hey, speaking
of sexually frustrated. The next one that they covered is goes phasers. Oh, goodness, a little Corbett, little sweet little Corbett, which I think we were a little confused because it wasn't behind the scenes. Really. You you finally figured out this was what they had to film since they lost all of their footage. Yeah. And so they also had some clips of Corbett that they had prior to any of the filming. And he was in there. And it was so cute. And he's complimenting Ed and Harry.
Of course, it's ed that he was like, in love with right. And he's was all talking about his beard and how wonderful he is. And even he I thought it was I was surprised he was so complimentary of Harry too, because you would have thought he would be like a little. Yeah, a little rebuffed or jealous, but he was like, so sweet about them and talking about. I love that. Then they asked about mag and he's like, Oh, Maggie. Oh,
she's okay. Yeah, that's all Yeah. But it was there were so many things in this episode, like Ed saying that when he was younger, a clown, bad touched him. And he was like, you're complying with my balloons. And he was like, those weren't blue. They weren't blue. I mean, that awful.
It was so random and awful. Yeah.
And then Harry with his constant saying, to do this job. You needed intestinal fortitude.
Yeah. What is that?
I guess so you don't throw it. You gotta have a tank for a stomach.
So you don't Q Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah,
that's what I'm, I'm taking from it. All right. I'll go with it. And then I thought it was funny when they asked about how their feelings on Sam and Dean. I can't remember. I think it was Edie who was like foliage. It's like a foliage. And I couldn't understand what he's saying it
first, you need to separate those words, because our listeners aren't going to know what you're saying either.
I'm about to explain it. Okay. Okay. Okay.
We're gonna make them figure it out for themselves. All right,
gotcha, just like I did. So yes, I didn't know I didn't know what the hell he said or what he meant. And so he was basically saying, you know, when you're out playing soccer or playing a game and your nether regions get that itch, specifically balls, people who have balls, they get a ball itch. And that's what he said, Sam and Dean. That's how he thinks of Sam and Dean, that you're like,
in the zone, doing really well. And then oop, you got to stop. Because you need to scratch your NADs
or they're just an annoying itch.
I was about to say to me, I don't have balls, so I don't have anything to really compare it to. But I have been in that experience before where you're chilling out, you're doing whatever, it doesn't matter. Maybe you're moving around. Maybe you're just hanging around watching movies, and then all of a sudden, the bottom of your foot itches.
Oh my god. Yeah.
And you're in a situation where you can't take your shoe off. And to me, that's what I thought of. Let me know is that the same thing as a bowl itch, like when the bottom of your foot starts itching and you really want to scratch it, but maybe you're in a position where it'd be really inappropriate for you to do so. Yeah,
I think it's just an annoying itch anywhere that you can't know that you can't in public. You're not allowed to, like, just get in there.
I'm so bad about that. I think I told you that like I stopped wearing skirts because I have a bit of a butt and I will get a wedgie. And if I have on a skirt, I am the worst of going up the skirt in order to pick a wedgie. Get right in there. And I've just kind of thought over the years, I wonder how many people I've flashed an ash cheek to because I got a wedgie.
Wow. Wow. Next time you're wearing something be conscious of that,
or just turn around and say You're welcome afterwards.
With everybody, and then we also got a cue cameo from Ed's dad again. Oh, yeah. Which I didn't even click with me. You have to tell me, but his dad was on a riding lawnmower behind him and he's and as he's trying to strike just to my Limelight like it's always wanting to get in there. And he's doing nothing but mowing his lawn.
It was the same adorable actor from the episode to any army that goes over there, slams his
hands on the top of the mower, and his lead just puts his hands on his hips. Now, it was cute. It was it was funny to see him. It was spruce at the end of all of these little interviews or confessionals, whatever you want to call them. He he did explain that he was part Jewish and part Cherokee. So he tells us that he is going to honor Corbett with a Judeo Cherokee prayer, which I don't think that exists. He literally just meshed some Jewish prayers, and then a Cherokee prayer
blessing of sorts, I guess. And he just mish mashes them together, and honor and he says it's an honor of Corbett
sweet Corbett. Yeah, I know. Rip.
And then the next one was, from Legends to reality supernatural. And it was all these special effects guys, it was the makeup guys, the prop guys, the visual effects guys, the directors costumers like ever. And, you know, again, there's so much that goes into these, but they all have to work together. And of course, all from the director's vision. They take us from the lore they
mentioned. And they create the monsters and then all I mean, it's, it's crazy how many different departments have to work together to recreate like one singular creature, or what have you or seen and all the things that go into it. And it was, it was really cool. I didn't take too many notes, because I was too interested in watching it. But I did I really liked hearing from all of the different department heads and how they did it. I mean, they were showing us how they do the
squibs. And some of them. There was one the one thing he had this like pack with a pipe sticking out. And he's like, this is what he's gonna be wearing on his back. And I was like, What the hell was that? Why would he mean that if he has squid in the front, but then I realized it was the same routine got shot through the shoulder and then the blood spewed through the back. Right that's why the he had to wear that little thing with a pipe from The Kids Are All Right. With the
the kids the mouths. Yeah. They took it from some weird sea creature. Yeah. The the kind of use that their mouth to mimic what kids mouths look like in the show. And it's gross. But so cool.
It's so creative, the creativity behind it. Just it was really cool. And then they talked about it's hard to talk about without the visualizations of it. Yeah. And then
the vampires and how, you know, usually it's the incisors that grow larger, but they actually have the separate set of teeth and they showed us the dentures that they used. And then all the different skeletal potty parts and whatnot the prop department uses and I liked that one the I forget what episode it was, but where the guy falls on the circular saw on the table. It was the
beginning of The Kids Are All Right.
Yes. And they had the the body this torso basically that they tested it on. And then you liked when they were testing how how Gordon gets killed. Oh, the
barbed wire stuff. Yeah. And the guy that was like now?
Yeah, they were showing a test of that where they had something that had the blood coming out of it so that as Sam is pulling the fake wire that this blood is squeezing out around Gordon's neck, and so they're showing these two people testing it, and the guy who had it around his neck, he was putting on a little bit of a show man he was like going like, like pretending like he was and he would laugh every once in a while, so you could see that he was perfectly fine.
He wasn't being hurt. But he was pretending to be the actor who was getting their head sawed off. And it was it was cute and fun. So yeah,
that but I mean, I touched on so much, but it was just pretty interesting. And the main thing to me is like, I think that it's so nice on sets and what they have to do, and it really is such a team situation, that I love that and then to have to work together. And I'm sure it causes issues a lot of the times,
we'll also just seeing how much needs to go into something as simple as, hey, this barbed wire needs to solve somebody's head and figuring out how are we going to make that happen? How are we going to make it look as good as possible? So much goes into it that you wouldn't even think of
and across departments too, right? Yeah, I guess I can't. I feel like I've said that so many times. But it's true. So that's, that's all I had for the special effects. And then they moved on to the Impala. They have multiple babies. One of them, they said that it's pretty much the stock interior, except for the seats. I think they chose different color seats for them. But everything else is pretty stock. And they use an onset mechanic, of course, to make
sure if anything goes wrong. And they also mentioned that the car did a 52 jump, one of the cars did a 52 jump. And season three, which when they showed it I was like that's not a jump. But even even he was like, it didn't show that it was a jump. But it was definitely a jump. It looked like they just went over a little hump. Yeah. But I guess it was a quite a jump. I think he said 52 feet, didn't he? What did I say? You just said 52? Oh, 52 feet. That's what I meant.
Yeah. And he's right. Whenever you watch it, it looks like he just went over a really big speed bump.
Yeah. And then another one. The car is basically like cut into pieces. Like the hood come around, sorry, not the hood, the roof comes off, the doors come off so that they can get all the shots from the inside. Darren was a prop guy, I thought was kind of adorable. And he he was in charge of all the weapons in the trunk of baby and he was going over all of them and showing them to us. And I thought it was really cute. And this is to commanders at the beginning of how great he is
that he said that. He He said they were like, you know, everybody keep watching the show. We love doing this. And he mentioned that he loves doing it also because Ken manners is his hero, which I thought was really sweet. Yeah. And a testament to how obviously great he was so and then it was the bloopers that were silly.
I cannot believe how much blue steel looks still happening to me isn't three.
I'm like, let's let's move on. Come on.
Okay, so what was your we've been doing two episodes. Which
what that was my I feel like my vote last season,
I was only prepared with one favorite episode not to and the second episode elicited is my favorite. I listened to that episode not too long ago, and I was like, What the fuck? That was not one of my favorite episodes. I don't know why I listed it. And I remembered Oh, yeah, I only came prepared with one so I just said the name of a show that I could remember. So
I can you talk about your favorite episodes that was on me because I said my favorite one. But I think it was hard for me to to decide between the two. So that's why I mentioned a second because it was like my close second to being my first
so we did. We did two for season one. So that's why I was like, oh shit. We're supposed to do two. Let me just name one really quickly. It was not my favorite. The first one I named was tall tales for season two, which was definitely my favorite by far. But I didn't I the second one I named was not actually my favorite. I just listed it because I felt like it was class and I was unprepared or whatever. I am prepared this season for two favorites. I gave it some good thought. And I have
two favorites. So do you have two favorites? La?
Well, I have my definite favorite. And then yes, I have a second. Okay, what are they? And why? Well, Ghost Chasers just because I liked how different it was compared to the other episodes. Plus it was just adorable with Corbin. Yeah, and Dean looked real good, as you mentioned. But it was just it was funny to see them kind of in a different light. And I don't know, I just really liked how unique it was compared to the rest of the season. Agreed.
Yeah, that was a good one. And then my other one is Dream a Little Dream because as we talked about, I thought it just like the way it was shot was so clever. And like the cinematography all of that the visual effects. I just I loved it.
Yeah, it was really pretty. Yeah. What about you? So my two favorites. First is fresh blood, directed by Kim manners. That episode was just so exciting. I remember jumping up off the couch, and just like oh my god was happening, like just getting so excited during that episode. Sterling K brown killed the performance. Yeah, as Gordon obviously, but Gordon turned vampire. I mean, just nailed it. The intensity, the drama behind the episode, it was just so
exciting. And then despite the underutilization of Richard Speight, Jr. In my opinion, and the utter lack of the lower half of his body, Mystery Spot, is my second favorite. It's a good one. It was such a good episode. It was so fun. And yet at the same time, so sad. Yeah. Like how they pulled off both of those things. At the same time, I still don't know how they managed it. And the implications that that episode had through
the rest of the season. For us seeing Sam leaning even further into not wanting to let go of his brother, what are the implications of that going to be going into this season?
I know you personally wanted him to be in the episode more visually. Yeah. But he had a huge part in the fact that telling Sam, what it's going to do, what's going to happen if he doesn't change his ways and trying to constantly say, Dean,
they could have had him in the like, janitor outfit?
Why Why bother with the jumpsuit or the
that, you know, just having Lakens, which I would really prefer would have been really nice. I've seen some comments and receive some messages that some of our listeners have let me know that our episodes are starting to make them look at the Trickster a little differently. Oh, you're turning people. I'm turning people. Okay. You're welcome, guys. You're welcome.
I like him as a person. Because like, we're at the convention, and especially the one we went to with just him. He's, he's cool. I like him.
I like him. Well, I
know. You do.
The other note I have is the lesson he was trying to teach and the fact that Sam is refusing to learn it. So now that it's happened, Dean is gone. Dean is in hell. You know what Sam gonna do now? We shall see. Do you have any predictions going into season four?
Well, I'm gonna guess that Dean gets out of hell. Right.
Good one. That's a good one. That's a good uh, you? Um, I don't know. Like, I have no idea with Sammy. You know, is he going to become that fearful version of himself that we got a little sneak preview for?
I mean, I have to say, I wouldn't mind a little demon Sam coming again. Huh. As terrible as it sounds, it was kind of sexy. They're both good actors. But that was I was so we were both so impressed with them seeing and everything that he did. And being the demon like it'd be nice to see something. Not even necessarily demon or just like something different. Something darker.
Yeah. So we know that we're getting Cassiel at some point in season four. I've also been informed we get Chuck at some point in season four. So we will be seeing Rob Benedict this season. Oh, okay. So we've got that to look forward to. I was also informed there is no trixter Oh,
are you gonna be okay, well, you gotta catch. Very sad,
but we have some listeners who are going to convention soon. And they've like, message me and then like, I'll get plenty of pictures of Richard for you.
Oh, that's that for the end of the season or special features.
Yay. We did it. Yeah, we're finally to Castillo Are you excited? LA.
I know. You are excited.
I'm very excited. But you've never seen anything with him before.
Right? Well, I'm curious to see what it was that you were so passionate about.
Got me to start paying attention to the fucking show.
We shall see. We shall see what happens with theme. And we shall see how I feel about your boys in this season. Oh, yeah.
Like what's my Well no, I have one boy this season. Okay, I don't get multiples ever. Apparently. We've had the Trickster only in season one, two and three. Yeah. Or not even one just two and three. And that will be Cassiel only in season for me. Poor thing. I know. I'm so deprived. Cheers. Cheers. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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