Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode.
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now, let's get tipsy.
And live LA. Hey Burley. So our first obstacle to get through on today's apps to O. O is to not slur the word episode. That's the first obstacle. We're already we're already on a good good path here. That's great. Is to recap, the two part season finale. All hell breaks loose.
Oh, wait, what?
Yes. What? Tell me that. We do that at the beginning of every
Oh, god. Okay, I'm so sorry. And that's me.
Because both of us I had I think I had part one, you had part two. I think
I didn't even I didn't even look at that. Hold on. Hang on, guys. Damn.
So in part one of the season finale, which I've already summarized and recap. So I'll keep it brief. Sam got abducted by the yellow eyed demon and found himself in a ghost town with a bunch of other demon children with abilities. After Dean and Bobby came to save him, one of those demon babies stab Sam in the back. And then in the second part. And then,
oh, that's me. In the second part. Dean must deal with the aftermath of the fight between Sam and Jake, our guest starred Aldous Hodge. And he pays a steep price for his involvement. The demon and his spirits threatened to overtake the hunters until they receive help from an unexpected ally.
That was kind of corny. Yeah. We didn't talk about it very much on the last episode. Yeah, but after watching the special features today, I understand why it all came across that way.
Okay. Well,
so get into it. Yeah. So today's episode is about the special features which have a few criticisms. I'm just gonna say, Okay, I mean, overall, I enjoyed it. Yeah. But I'm gonna share my thoughts nonetheless. Okay. The primary feature of the special features for our season two blu ray, was something called the devil's roadmap. And it was one of those things that on paper, I'm sure it sounded
really cool. And when we heard them, describing in the intro, what the devil's roadmap was going to be we were both like, Ooh, this is going to be fun. It got old really quick. Am I crazy? Are you agree?
No, I did. Yeah. Well, no, like I said, like the devil's roadmap that the idea of it of like going across the map of our continent, no, not our continent, country, our country. And then like, looking at the local lore, like it very much is in tune with what we talked about normally, but it was just I guess, maybe the execution of it wasn't so great. And then the how you're supposed to catch the three alized unlock something was impossible. We
couldn't get to the yellow eyes. Yeah, like tells you like, oh, when you see a yellow I pop up, you know, click on it, and you'll get something special. Eric crypkey Where's my something special because we couldn't get to the yelloweye in order to get to the something special.
Maybe right that the DVD was easier to navigate, like
on the old blue? Maybe. But yeah, really cool concept. But the execution wasn't great. Plus, each of the special features like the way they had it is they had it mapped out first by episode. And then by location, the special features by episode they were so brief. I think the longest one was five minutes, and they would have been so much better to have viewed right after you watched
that episode. Yes. So to have watched all the episodes and then to come watch the special features, it was disconnected in my point. I agree or in my for my point. No, I
get it. I didn't like I said maybe it's just because back then I didn't have the ability to do that with the separate discs and everything. Yeah, I think so. We'll see. I don't know. Yeah, I
bet you back then. It was groundbreaking and amazing. And all of that. But watching it today. I wish they would reformat it where each of these special features happened after that episode. So whenever y'all rerelease the supernatural blu rays for there. What is it going to be? 20 year anniversary coming up pretty soon? No. Oh, of the start? Yeah. Because it premiered in 2005. Yeah. So if you all do that, let's go back and look at how y'all formatted
some shit. Because there's room for improvement here.
I bet they probably already have.
I mean, one would hope we shall see I did. Most of the little special features that we watched regarding each episode seemed to revolve around the lore and a lot of the stuff they talked about we've already covered this season. So we're not going to be repetitive. But I did take down a few notes from across the one on one special
feature snippets. One of the things I jotted down was how Eric crypkey was talking about how they had, you know, perfected and mastered their single, canned, 40 minute horror movie feature, you know, in an episode thing and season one. And when they started season two, they threw that out. Yeah, what was the saying, like back to the drawing board or what have you. He didn't want anything that would have been a season one pitch. I think that was both a good thing. And also
a bad thing. Like I agree wholeheartedly. Whenever Eric Kripke you said, if they'd kept doing that, it was gonna get steel really quickly. 100%. But also at the same time, season two, it definitely feels like a transition season to me. Like they were having to find their footing again.
I agree. I think it's very good choice on a very good choice on their part that they weren't going to continue down that same vein, because I don't think they would have lasted as many seasons as they did if they kept that up. So I'm thinking if 8% Do this every season and changing it up like this, I can see why it went on for so long. Because it really, it was You're right. They were just trying it was like they were trying different things. Yeah. Yeah.
Which was interesting. Like, again, this isn't a criticism. It's more of an observation, but you could tell they were trying to get their footing again in this season. Yes. And that affected us because you know, we get drunk, and come to talk about these episodes. And if you can't get your footing, how do you expect these two drunk bitches talking about your shift to come get their footing? Yeah, no, it was hard. This season was more
challenging. Or the other thing I thought was interesting was that when they were talking about the decision to kill John Winchester, they said they had made that decision back in season one, you know, we're going to address that right off the bat. But the premiere of season two, they called him the obi one. You know, we have to kill Obi Wan. And I can't remember the gentleman who said it. But he said if people like a character, we're gonna kill them.
Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Because like, when everybody watched Game of Thrones, and you know, they were like, chopping people off left and right, like main characters supernatural to something new guy. Yeah. Well, it was for me, because I didn't watch the show either. But, but I mean, yeah, I mean, way to keep things going. And interesting, even if you'd like. I mean, it's disappointing for the fans if they liked that
character. But I'd also with the show, I can only imagine that some people are somehow brought back like in soap operas, like just somehow they figured out how to bring some people back later on, you know? Well, I
mean, that happened to the season, right? Yeah. So this season started with the death of John Winchester, and then the season premiere was the odd cameo appearance of John Winchester. Yeah. Which we'll talk more about that a little bit later. But I did think the interesting note of if people like, someone will kill them off, because who likes John Winchester? I mean, everybody loves Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Right. But who likes John Winchester?
Yeah, not. I mean, we've established he's not that great of a guy.
So I thought that a good dad. Exactly. I just thought that was odd commentary for this particular character.
I would I would love to like, have like a therapist or a psychologist analyze a show and just pick apart all the daddy and mommy issues that these boys had. And then their relationship codependency. I mean, it'd be a lot.
Speaking of therapy. The other thing they talked about was that Dean's deathwish. That ends up being an overarching theme throughout the series, that this is the first time they really start to delve into Dean's Deathwish that he feels like he should have stayed dead. Right. It's established this. And it's revisited several times throughout the remainder of the season. Sorry, sure. Yeah,
we all know what you what you mean.
Few other notes I jotted down, said Ben Edlund.
He is a quirky character. He is a little zany. Yeah. He was one though. Well, it's funny because when he first they first brought him on for the episode with Andy. And Simon said, Simon said and just looking at him, I was like, Oh, he's very an DSQ. He was right. He had his little like beard, long hair pulled back and talked with his hands. And he was just, I mean, he was a hoot. Like, just I could tell he brought probably a really good energy to the set and things and like made it fun. But
yeah, he was. It was a little different, but I like it. I love people like that.
I thought it was funny whenever crypkey was talking about how he came in and really shook things up. And then they were talking about his pitch. And like literally from his pitch, which was very low. along and weird and involved cannibalism and all this kind of crazy stuff. The one thing they took from his pitch was twins. We like twins aspect will run with twins. And I was just like, wait a minute, they literally
took one tiny thing from his. So I'm guessing that, again, the special features were at most five minutes long, they didn't go into a lot of detail. So I'm guessing he ended up having a lot more involvement as far as shaking up the storylines for sure. Yeah, he had to aside from just the twins idea.
I have to imagine there was more to that pitch. Like, I mean, maybe he fleshed it out a little more than what we just saw. He had to have but yeah, well, but then I like that the twins idea of what he originally wanted wasn't even what they took, but they were like the twins will take the idea the twins will take.
It was way out there. It was crazy.
I'd like to have a beer with you. That's what I was about
to say like he'd be he'd be added to the list of people we'd want to have on the show like Richard Speight, Jr. Oh, yeah, yeah. And also I feel like I, this is weird way to say, but we record our episodes way in advance. So our most recent episode that's out right now is in fact, Simon said, Oh, yeah. And I listened to it recently. And I just noticed, we didn't make a lot of thirst comments about Gabriel tigerman. And I almost want to apologize to him.
Let's see after he played Andy, because Oh, my God, you are all about it. I know. But in the episode, I didn't say anything. Really. I only said it when we were actually watching it. And then when we recorded I kept my commentary to myself, I guess. I don't know why I did that. I'm surprised he was so cute. Yeah, you were all about that. Andy. You were all about the robe. Oh my
god that wrote first of all fabulous. Some of my notes later for some other things. Later on. We talked about that episode. But yeah, the robe that there's some other things fabulous. So
cute. So cute. We were so upset whenever you ultimately met your fate. Yeah, you're the season finale. So yeah, Gabriel Teichman. You can get it. Also what a name. Oh, my God. tigerman. Another note, I jotted down. And I'm sorry, this is all disconnected listeners. The special features were disconnected. We're doing the best with what we got. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. That extra is who put Linda Blair in touch with supernatural to come guest star on the show.
I mean, it's about that too. I thought it was so interesting. They did a whole segment. And I'm like I told you when we're watching it. I'm be curious who else they did, because it seemed like they did a whole segment on actors who should be playing carts right now. But they weren't. And I don't. They made it sound like there were more than one. But she was the one that Eric crypkey focused on, rightfully so being in the same
kind of genre or whatever. So I kind of loved that and that he paid attention to it and did something about it. I thought it
was hilarious that Eric KRUPKE heard Linda Blair and was really excited and wanted her to play a demon. And the first thing she said when she met with him was I don't want to play a demon. And he had to kind of be on top of it and switch it up and be like, just kidding. I want you to play a cop and just kind of ran with it and that Linda Blair loved the pitch and you know so kudos Eric Griffey for being quick on feet.
I read I think it was on Wikipedia or something that she was like very grateful that he you know, did what he did to make it not have her character be a demon of any sort or any demon in the that episode. And she did a good job. It was nice to see her.
I enjoyed that episode. Yeah, I my most memorable thing. I'm so sorry, Linda Blair. But my most memorable thing from that episode is creepy. Daryl Hannah. Yeah. And whenever I guess it does involve Linda Playa when she's in the bathroom looking in the mirror. And then it focuses on creepy drawing on a binary just the facial expression that they're making.
Yeah,
I just, there's, there's just like, runs up and like, like, just, I just cannot get that image out of my head. And it just cracks me up. I know. It wasn't meant to be funny. But Huck me mad. I love it. I love it so much. It's all out of love. Even when we're making fun of stuff on the show. It's all out of love. Which speaking of out of love, another interesting quote I jotted down from the special features was that they said, supernatural works best when Sam and Dean are screwed from all sides.
Oh, my.
I said to LA. I work best when I'm getting screwed from all sides to just totally a lie. I've never been in that situation before. That's just me. You know, being my alternate Alter Ego horror self. Totally talking out of my ass. They like to put the boys in precarious situations and really screw them over. Absolutely. We're definitely going to see that get expanded upon in future seasons.
The next thing that came up that I thought was particularly interesting was the special feature after born under a bad sign where you and I both gushed over Jared paddle Lucky's performance in this episode, and how he completely embody mag, and how it peeled the performance peeled in layers as the episode went on, like we've already talked about this, we were both huge fans about that.
So I loved the fact that they were saying that originally they didn't want to do angels, no angels fuck that we're not doing we're not going there. This isn't a religious show, blah, blah, blah. But that because of Jared pedelec ease performance as a demon, they went, Oh, fuck, we gotta have Sam be Lucifer at some point because of that performance
of that yin and yang.
And well deserved because Oh, formance is just chef's kiss. Yeah, we
talked about it so much so much. And it was such a surprise to after seeing Jared be Sam for so long, like and now this it was like it's kind of exciting. Yeah.
Like, it wasn't our sweetie. Sassy, sassy. Sassy pants. Yeah, it was it's completely different. Yeah, I'm really excited for us to get to more of the angel. Well, for obvious reasons. For those of you who have been listening, you already know I'm excited to get to the angel shit already. It's overdue. I'm ready for it. Come on. But that was interesting to hear that because of Gerrits performance. That's why the deme that Lucifer Angel, and all that kind of stuff ended up happening. Yeah.
Oh my god. I bet that was so fun for them to do that, you know, play and somebody else? Well, so we're up to what tall tales? Well, we just
finished talking about the special feature at the end of born under a bad sign. So yeah, tall tales would be next. So I
did find a little trivia on some of the episodes that I thought was kind of cool. On the first episode, In My Time of Dying, John Winchester dies at 1041 and 10:41am is a reference to Isaiah 4110 from the Bible that says, so do not fear for I am with you do not be dismayed for I am your God, I will strengthen you and help you I will hold you with my righteous hand. Which I guess that's kind of like what Daddy does even from the grave.
Well, the right the righteous man will be important later. Oh, okay. And then finally get that finance Angel up in the picture.
Ready for it. And then in the next episode, the what's the clowns? Everybody loves a clown. Everybody loves a clown. They said that there was like this was the first appearance of what the crew called Jensen. Ackles. One perfect tear.
It happens so many times though. I didn't notice this was the first one
I didn't either. And they called it like a single man tear. Jensen jokes that for some reason. It's usually just like one tear and the focus puller gets excited and hence to focus on that one leaky eye. Which I have this like when I cry a lot of times it's just out of one I really. And so in that episode, he does have just the one tear going down.
He did that again. It the end of heart. Yeah, the only reason I noticed it is because it was such a sharp contrast from Sam whose face was soaking wet. Yeah, that Dean just had one tear there, right? Like Jensen Ackles has that down, right?
And it says This marks the first time that we see Dean actually cry to Oh, and it's just that one tear. I mean, it's not the first time he's been emotional. But it's the first time I guess he cried. Oh, I thought this was interesting. The second house that the clown haunted and that or went to in that episode wasn't house and step by step. I swapped that all the time.
I did to either but or either Jesus Christ, but the only thing I can really remember from that show, sincerely is the theme song.
Like the roller coaster in the beginning. Yeah.
Yeah, they bad.
Right. I was like, that's interesting. And then I was like, but I don't remember the house and then episode on step by step. So
whatever. I think one of the brothers was hot and stupid. Like it was himbo, one of the one of the original combos. Yeah, sounds about right, I think but I'm not even certain of that. Well, and then very important, and bloodlust. Sterling,
this was the first time we saw Jared part is here down the middle. Oh, that is very important is so important, because it remains this way for the rest of the series.
So I didn't jot it down. But we were talking about during the special feature about how if they had casted anybody different for Gordon, that that episode, that character could have gone a very different way. Yes. Like you don't like Gordon, nobody likes Gordon, but at the same time, you can't help but be interested in Gordon and what he's going to do next.
Oh, yeah. It's Sterling K Brown. I mean,
yeah. So just the depth that he brought to that character.
Unlike the underlying sexiness to
wasn't underlying anything, what are you talking about?
Because he's like a bad guy, but
you're like, Oh, okay. Oh, Gordon, you can't help it. True. It was it was interesting to hear them actually acknowledge that and talk about how Sterling's performance brought so much depth to that character, because it really could have gone a different way where you just hated that guy now. Yeah, you're totally
right. They were you are. Yeah. They also mentioned in the special features that this was the first time that Dean really like started flirting with the dark side, and how he kind of, in a way distanced himself from Sam and just kind of flirted with that. That part of him.
Oh, yeah. It was talking about how the bonding with Gordon and all that Yeah,
but then in contrast, at the end, I thought this was really cool. One of the writers I think, Sarah, I forget her last name, gamble gamble, mentioned that this, the very end scene where Dean is at Dean's sitting there with his hands on top of AB just kind of looking back at the house that they had been at. This sun kind of shines across his face. And it's almost like a halo flare. Yeah, she called Light player, so player or something like that. And she asked the director, she was
like, how did you do that? That was amazing. And he was like, it just, it just happened with the light the way the lighting was, and it was Robert singer. That's right. Yeah. And when we were watching it, I turned to Burley and I was like, is that Misha? I mean, which I don't I shouldn't know anything about this yet, but because you're so in love with him. I know.
That was so loud. Well, I mean, you of course know something about him. Because that's how we ended up doing this fucking podcast is because I finally started paying attention to the show. I want to say it was season six or season seven. I don't know which one I'm sure when we get to the season where I started paying attention. I'm gonna now but I finally started paying attention to the show at that time because of Castile because of Michelle's
performance. And so whenever I was telling you, I'm gonna start the show over. Oh, my God, we should do a podcast. I was all like Misha, well, I wasn't saying Misha, because I didn't know his name at the time. I was like this angel guy. He's so funny. Kept saying Castillo Castillo Cass Catskill. He's so hot. He's so funny. So I told that was the first thing la learned about supernatural was Castile casts. And like, here we are. two seasons in and she's like, Where the fuck is he?
Yeah. Well, and that's why I said, because I know from everything. You've told me that he's like an angel that like watches over Dean like him and Dean get really close. So that's why I mentioned it, and he thought that was funny. So it's like, hey, maybe that was a nod to him. Yeah, you're like, where's
he? Is it gonna be here next season?
I think that's my first Castile sighting. For sure. Oh, so that's that for that episode. Children shouldn't play with dead things. Is that the next one? That's before tall tales? Yeah, yeah,
we were up to tall tales. All the special features are catching up.
Yeah, I'm trying to well, my little trivia is that I thought all on IMDb. Children shouldn't play with dead things. That was the first time a zombie was on the series. And then in Simon said, I personally still can't get over that van of Andy's. That was amazing. It had super cheesy painting on the side.
Would you get in the back of that van? Oh, God.
They were picking up large Bong. Like it?
I can't even when were those blankets. Last wash? Yeah, I don't even want to
know. Yeah. Like, no, I don't want to get in the van. It was fabulous. On the outside. I loved his robe. And his vibe.
Yeah, maybe that's why we didn't have the third comments because we loved it. We loved you. We loved you, Andy, but I don't think either one of us would have gotten to do that man. I don't think either of us would have gone home with Andy. And that's probably why we weren't making as many comments as we normally would
true. And I think I can't remember who said it. I think it was Eric crypkey. But it could have been a singer or somebody else or Phil. But they said that storyline and especially with Andy and that's that episode it was the rich vein of quirk of Ben Edlund Eglin Edlund. Yeah. Which as we mentioned before, I could totally see like his touch on it. These are all kind of like lame little trivias but I'm still going to say them, go for
it. No exit. It was the first time we saw four people in baby at the end super awkward car ride with Elon and Joe Yeah, in the car with them. And then Jared was actually left out a lot of the action scenes in this one because he was they were trying to give him time to heal for his wrist that he broke prior
and yet in the special features gag reel, and they even talked about it in the special features. They pulled a prank where Jensen and Jared were crawling down into this hole. And they dumped all this water over them. LA and I are both like, Fuck your cast. Yeah, well,
it would have been one thing if like Jensen was like Jared went in first and then Jensen because he wouldn't have gotten the bulk of it. But for Jared on top with this cast, like, there's no
way
that cast did not get so no, I just I don't even see how it was possible.
I'm sure he had to get it redone. But I'm sure they were also paying for it. workman's comp and whatnot.
Well, yeah. And it's Jared paddle lucky. I'm sure. He also thought the prank was worth it. Because, yeah, many times.
And then you touch the next one usual suspects. You already touched on the Linda Blair thing with extra. And this was one of the first I don't know if his first, but when they kind of argued over who was Scully and Mulder, and a reference to the X Files, because a lot of people thought the shows were so similar.
Pretty sure it's first. I don't know why they would think was similar, though. Oh, you know, why? The romantic sexual tension?
Absolutely.
Has anybody ever touched that? Because my sister and I were actually talking about it. And she was like, you know, I just can't help but wonder, whose decision was that? Was it? The director of being like, No, guys, like, I want you to dramatically like, look over your shoulder, Adam. And was it the actors who were making those, like, Who made that happen?
I thought, like, at first I was like, Okay, maybe it's just me because I'm I only have one sibling. Like, we're close, but not like, I mean, I hate to say it in regretfully that we're not like, have this deep connection, sibling connection. So I was like, maybe it's just me because I don't have that. And I, you know, like, maybe it's just me that I don't understand that
my sister is my best friend. Yeah. And I know, like, I cannot think of a single fight we had, that somebody could have potentially been like, are y'all siblings? Or Are y'all together? Because I can't tell the difference. Like I literally can't think of a single fight.
Yeah, well, neither one of you seem like super emotional people, though, either. Hey, I love you. Like our other friends, that sisters, I could see them maybe being a little like that. But not, not to this extent.
I was gonna say you can see one of them going over to a dresser and like putting their hands on the dresser and like, dramatically looking back at you
back in the day. Back in the day. Yeah. Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah. Probably not now,
but for sure. But my sister's question remains like who made that happen? Was it Jared and Jensen decision as actors? Was it a director telling them? No, we want you to perform it in this way. And, like maybe the intent was to convey the codependency. And they didn't realize it was coming across the way it did.
But my sister, she just that was something she brought up that cracked me up because I was like, can you imagine a director being like, No, I want you to when you grab his face, Jared, I really want you to like, pull desperately had it really look at him. And when you roll over your butt out.
I will say from just some of the little trivia tidbits I got. I think it was the two of them.
Okay, that makes it even better in my opinion. If it was the two of them. Yeah. Like they from theirs. We already love them. Right. And I can do no wrong.
Obviously. We know they're close they do this j&j Productions, where they're, you know, conventions of where they're just some of the stuff I've read. And I will touch on that here. When we get to the episode. That makes me think this, that it's them. But yeah, I think I like it. Yeah. Oh, then on crossroads, I didn't particularly like that. I think it was Eric CryptoKeys mentioned that the legends are more important than the men themselves that the legends are based on. And I just like
it made me kind of sad. You and I both looked at each other like, Oh, Jesus. Yeah. And then you were
like, I mean, I guess he's fried. And I was like, yes. So but that just seemed, the way he laid it out. I was like, that just said,
No, because I said, I was like, because it's the legend that lives on. But then it's also really sad and depressing. Because I'm, I don't know that I'm gonna have a legend. So whenever I die, like that's it, man. Yeah. And a story,
which on that, I read this article about this guy who his dad was, I think, in World War Two, like a big veteran, and he created a QR code on his tombstone, so that people could go by and click on it. And he wrote up this whole like, life story of his dad and everything that he did. And I was like, why don't we not have that for
everybody? Like, even if it's just like, something simple or whatever, at least you could go by and be like, Oh, they they were close this family that you know, just like little tidbits about people. I think that that would be kind of nice. So everybody has a little legend that's living on their work. No,
we're gonna live on on legend. That's podcast. No forever.
Her Oh my god. So also in this episode, the actress that played the demon is Christy Lange and I thought this was cool. She was Lori's roommate and Hawkman. Which Damon? The one that's the one that made the pact with him
with Robert Johnson are the one that made the pack with Dean at the end. It was a different person. Yeah. Because the first one was this gorgeous black girl with big curly hair. And then the one at the end was this white girl and a little black dress.
I should have paid more attention. I do not know if I
remember correctly all the way back to season one. I think it was the black girl. I don't remember her hair being that fabulous, though. Yeah, I know. I'm the Crossroads episode. Her hair was fabulous. I was so jealous of her hair. And the thing that made me like, covet it the most is that I was like, I feel like my curls could almost do that. If I took the time to actually style them correctly, I feel like my curls could almost do what her hair is
doing. But I don't remember her having fabulous hair and
hook man. So it's it's the demon who visits Robert Johnson. Yeah, so
the girl with a fabulous, so I was right. Yeah. So she's the
one that was the roommate and Hawkman Lori's roommate,
which made me they made her hair, like let our hair be bigger and more curly to make her look a little different. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Or maybe she had fabulous hair and Hawkman. And I just didn't notice it at the time for whatever reason. So the
next one Croatoan the trivia on IMDb said that Jared was like overly emotional in the scene where he's telling Dean to leave him and that like so much so that, like they had to ask him to dial it back just because he got so emotional with the thought of like asking Jared to like just go and leave or so he just got so emotional with the idea of asking Jensen to leave him that they had to like cut tell him to dial it back because he got so upset. Which
is interesting, because I've seen clips from conventions where Jared has talked about how later in the series that he had to be careful about making sure that if there was an emotional scene a tearful scene, or what have you, that it was Sam's tears, not Jarrods tears. Some maybe this was earlier before he had perfected that and learned to separate the two. Oh, I
think this is for both of them this season because I have another one for Jen.
Oh,
that's what I'm saying. I think it was them.
So cute.
Crotona is also one of the episodes where nothing really gets resolved. Like there's no resolution of to like what happened, why it happened and that they fixed anything, you know.
Yeah. And I remember being disappointed with Dwayne was like Dwayne is our replacement for mag. I was so mad. We got our redemption for that later. But yeah, the end of the episode we didn't know that was coming. So
we touched on most of what they talked about in the trivia for hunted
hunted was another one of the ones where our colorful commentary wasn't as heavy as normal. And that episode featured Sterling K brown pretty heavily. So that surprised me as well.
The next one playthings. Apparently Jensen's nickname for Jared is Sasquatch. Make sense? And so he calls him that when Sam was drunk, trying to get him into bed. What was he trying to do? Get at him. And this was a this episode was very much a reference to the shining to that there room is 237. And that's the room from The Shining, which if you go to the actual Stanley Hotel, it is not room 237. It's room 217. Right. So it gets a
little confusing. But there were a bunch of quite a few references to the shining with the room 237 The two girls and then dean talking with the older bartender, with advice, getting advice and whatnot. So I definitely see that in hindsight now, right? I didn't I didn't think about it either. But when I was reading that I was like, totally, and night shifter. I mean, some of these aren't that exciting. They use a real vault for six days to film in the actual vault for
that one. Oh, they were talking about that in the special features about how there was a bank in Vancouver that gave them all access for filming for I think they said a week. Yeah, maybe it was even longer. And they were really excited about that. They got to use the actual vault and everything.
And I think it was Sarah again, who talked about bringing on the character of Hendrickson because at this point, they the boys had had some adversaries or whatever, but Henderson was a real threat to their life, their freedom, you know, like he knew all about him and he was common for them.
She used the fugitive like yes, as the as an example.
When you think about it's like all these other people that they come up against the worst. The worst that could happen is that killed I don't think Hendricks was really out to kill them. He just wanted to take them down and get them in jail. I didn't have much for the house of the holy because again And I think we touched on most of it. In our episode. That
episode was a mess. Yeah. When I first
talked about same board about board under a bad sign was one of my favorites. We talked, we already talked about that with Jarrett's performance and everything. And that, I guess, aircraft keys original idea was like the last weekend, where like, somebody just loses the whole weekend, which was kind of what, Jared, or I'm sorry, Sam did,
I would say that was what was most interesting about the special features that they had was that a lot of them kind of let you know what the seed was, as the idea for the episode that grew from that. You know, like LA just said that born from a bad sign the seed was last weekend. There were some other ones I thought I wrote down. Maybe I didn't, maybe we'll get to them eventually. But that was that was interesting to find out what the initial little idea
was. We hit the nail on the head with most of our lore, no exit. It was obviously HH Holmes was the inspiration, not ectoplasm. And we researched ectoplasm. But that's because HH Holmes isn't supernatural. He was a real ass dude, who was really killing people. And the the supernatural element of the episode that hadn't been researched already was plasm. So we had some little episodes that were off a little bit on our research, but most of them were dead on
Yeah, well, but I think if we were right, and sticking to our lore, like he's not, he's not. He's not a supernatural, basically. So yeah, I think we're right to do what we did. I do too. Yeah. And then all I have for tall tales is that it is the first of 12 appearances of Richard Speight. Jr. Hmm,
our husband, who we love dearly. In our dreams, the thing I have for tall tales that we learned from the special features was that we thought that it was National Enquirer, or whatever was the inspiration for it. But it turns out, it was actually weekly world news, which is a real publication, who had reached out to supernatural and let them know hey, like, if you guys ever need anything from
us, let us know. And they kind of took that seed and thought, well, we could never knew an episode based on weekly world news, right. And it was the Trickster that kind of pulled it all together that will have the Trickster be a fan of Weekly World News and use their articles as inspiration for what he'll do to his victims. I thought that was really interesting. Yeah, you know, what else was really interesting? What that S Oh, okay.
Do you have more for the rest of them? Or should I just keep on with my trailer? Yay.
Well, I have more notes that I've written down from the special features, but I didn't necessarily flag which episode the special features were coming from so. So something that happened in season two, I can't remember which episode special feature let us know this that I thought was amazing. And we actually know a little bit about because Richard Speight, Jr. has talked about it in some of his interviews, was that in season two is when supernatural created their own visual effects
department. So they were no longer reliant on having to outsource that to people afterwards, being limited by
what they could do. They could actually decide in the moment while they were filming that, oh, yeah, well have visual effects do something like this will have visual effects or something like they had a full time team of visual effects people, they're working, and it shows and season two, they definitely had a lot more visual effects stuff with blue screen and you know what, not going on in season two compared to season one. Yeah. And I thought that
was really interesting. And I also didn't know which I learned this from Richard Speight, Jr. Interviews not from the special features that most other shows don't have that. Yeah. Most other shows you have to like, put in in advance what your special effects requirements are going to be to complete your episode. You can't just decide on a whim. Oh, just have that get filled in later with visual effects. I thought that that would be how it would work. But apparently, no, apparently,
that's not the norm. So I thought that was pretty fucking awesome that they did that. And I had no idea from the retrospect Junior interviews that they did it so early. Yeah, as you would have thought it would have happened later on because they still didn't have great ratings. They didn't have a lot of viewers and whatnot. Still this early in the series. Like they were still on the verge of potentially being cancelled with Season Two.
Yeah, I was gonna say I thought you mentioned that it wasn't a sure thing. Yeah.
I think it paid off for sure.
I do have a little, a couple of points for the next two episodes. roadkill. They mentioned that Jared and Jensen took kind of supporting roles on this episode because there were so many fans of Battlestar Galactica, Battlestar Galactica and Tricia Helfer is a huge person on that show. And because of the fan base, they kind of let her take the lead. I remember
when we were recording that episode and we saw that the summaries and an IMDB and the supernatural wiki and whatnot that we were referring to that all of them were like Helfer, Helfer, and we will. I don't know why we didn't think to fucking Google who Helfer was, but we were just like, I guess Helfer is a big person like Madonna.
I guess people really liked her, which was nice, too. I mean, they were in the episode enough, but yeah, I did send her much more on her. But she did a great job. I liked her. So I can imagine why people probably like drawn Battlestar Galactica.
Once you want fucka Galactica I've ever watched it.
I don't think I have either. Yeah, then heart i This is. This is what got me about heart. It was the first time we see them play rock, paper scissors. That's not the thing that got me about.
I was about just like, really? Is that Is that what got I thought I'd throw that
in first before I get. So in the scene, we're at the end where he has to kill Madison. It was pretty early on and filming that scene. Like before they did a bunch of the other scenes for that show that episode. And so Jared pulled from to get as emotional as he needed to get for that role. He pulled from the thought of how he recently had to put down two of his dogs. Yeah. And so that's why he got so emotional in that scene. And
then Jensen's emotions. He got he was able to get like so emotional because of the thought that his he knew how hard that was going to be for Jared to do that and think of that and get so emotional. So that's why Jensen got so emotional in that scene as well.
Don't you feel like a monster that you didn't tear up at all at the end of that episode now? No. Because I remember I was tearing up and I was so sad. And you just looked over at me like stone faced? Okay. You were perfectly fine. You would think we were watching a fucking prescription commercial or something.
I don't think it was stone vase. I mean, it was very emotional. I thought it was very, like sweet how they were. I mean, Jared was very upset Jensen and his one tear he had I think he actually had two tears in that episode coming down. So no, I I mean, it was great. And then just reading this I was like, Oh my God, that makes it even more sad. Yeah. So and then are we on Hollywood Babylon yet?
You tell me you're the one who has been tracking? Yes. Because I think you had
something for that. And all I had for that one was that Oh, in that episode, where the actress she mentioned she takes Polaroids of the cast and crew just to kill time. They actually got that from Jetson because he did that on on each set.
You said she was a weirdo for doing that?
Did I? Yeah. Well, I think it was a little strange that she had like, I'm going to tell
Jensen I'm going to tell Jensen what you said. When we go to our next call, I did well I will go up for autographs. I'm gonna be like, Hey, hold on. Guess what this pitch behind me said I like her getting Polaroids and
putting him in and thing and it's well it's one thing to take Polaroids but if he's like taking actual like photography, pictures or whatever, what have you like, like, that's cool. Like behind the scenes photo now? It's
cool. No, I'm
saying like, behind the scenes photos about like Polaroids. Each person on the set like that's like what are you doing? Are you gonna follow them later? Like, got a Polaroid? A you your face your face? Okay, but I could see like, taking a picture of somebody on the camera. Somebody's watching the monitors like, Hannah like photography, okay, but it was like she was just taking Polaroid. She's got
a bunch of selfies. She's Yeah, just selfies and yeah, so I get it. I get it. That makes sense. Now, I'm still gonna tell them.
Yeah, fine, whatever, I don't care. I also want to mention that MC G, the guy who was playing MC G, the director was not actually met G. I kept saying it. Well, we
had a huge debate about that. We even looked up the actor who was playing it and we couldn't tell ya know, so it wasn't him. It was not. I was right. You were the thing that I learned from the special features that we watched that I
thought was interesting. Was we assumed from the episode that their inspiration was haunted movie set, because that's urban legend that's been around since poltergeist if not earlier, and they actually mentioned that there were individual actors and actresses whose stories have kind of stuck around that we hadn't heard before. And one in particular that I thought was heartbreaking was peg. Entwistle, she was a British
stage and screen actress. She began her stage career in 1925, appearing in several Broadway productions, she only appeared in one film called 13 women, which was released posthumously because Entwistle gained notoriety Whoa, shit is she a notary notoriety after she jumped to her death from a top the H on the Hollywood sign in September 1932. At the age of she was only 24. I know that
awful. And it was just she tried to go to Hollywood and make it in Hollywood things weren't working out as well as she would have hoped. And so the story is that she got depressed and jumped in that was a story that was just like, oh, yeah, well,
and sad. That still happens today with our mental health issues. So fortunately, she didn't have the places she could go the means to get what she needed then. But
I'm so happy the stigma of that is not what because whenever you and I were in high school, and it was still a stigma, Oh, yeah. Big time. So happy that our culture is finally growing the fuck up? Absolutely. And getting with the times on that shit.
When I told you, I think in tipsy exchange, I've told you multiple times like I it was life changing for me to start that kind of medication. And it's just like, I wish I'd done it sooner. Like I feel like I missed out on so much without it in my earlier years, so anybody's feeling off anxiety? Sad. Go get some help. Take care of yourself. Yes, I can be so much fun matter. Yes. And then after that one, then we have Folsom blues, Folsom Prison Blues,
which you're still mad about Johnny Cash music not being on that. Yeah. I liked that. There was Allison chains though, so that's true. Yeah,
I did find it really cute trivia thing though, that the guy who plays tiny is actually a longtime bodyguard for Jared and Jensen. Oh, I thought that was kind of cute.
That's cute. The interesting thing they talked about in the special features was that that episode was filming on Jensen's birthday. Oh, which we're filming. What? We're recording this episode right now in early March. Jensen's birthday just happened on March 1. Oh, really? La Heisey. He's a Pisces. LA and I are both March babies. I'm a Pisces son, Leo moon. Capricorn rising Well, okay. I don't know any of that. I don't know what any of it means. Like, I couldn't tell you what that
means about my personality. If anybody out there happens to know what that means. Let us know. Look it up. But I'm a Pisces sun. Leo moon.
I only know that I'm an Aries, we should find out. We'll find out the rest.
Again, I don't I don't know what any of it means. But he was talking about how surreal it was whenever somebody was bringing him a birthday cake on set at the prison. And all these extras that are these big guys are just like Uber. I thought that was pretty funny when he was talking about that. Also, during the special features, Eric crypkey kind of acknowledged that they're going for common tropes, not just urban legends in the show. So Folsom Prison Blues was something where they said let's
do a prison movie. You know, coming back to the idea of that each episode is an individual kind of movie thing. Let's do a prison movie. And that was the seed that started Folsom Prison Blues. Why are we going to get them there? What are they going to be doing? yatta yatta yatta everything kind of grew from prison trope movie. And they did fit in that episode, a lot of prison trope, things that we've seen in films, TV shows, etc. Yeah, so I thought that was
interesting as well. Well, that was like a perfect blend of that trope plus the show, mixing it in together.
It was it was really well done.
It was such a good episode. Yeah, I really enjoyed that one. The next one is what is which was the only which was directed by Erich crypkey himself. Oh, really was the what is and what should never be
really.
That wasn't the special features.
I was just about to say like, I didn't get to get any trivia about that. So I'm glad you have that.
Yeah, that one was directed by Erich crypkey. It's included on quite a few lists of people's favorite episodes from the series. Just having that alternate reality and also the contrast from the dark and gritty visuals of the typical supernatural episode. And in the alternate reality it was all bright and cheery, which we kind of talked about that in our episode on that. I think we were calling it Stepford wifey that yeah, it just seemed Different
is such a bittersweet kind of episode. Well, I guess we can move on to the finale.
This is where my criticisms come into play as with the finale, okay, I thoroughly enjoyed the season until we got to the finale. And then whenever we were hearing that the original script for the finale was like six plus hours, and they had to whittle it down, whittle it down, whittle it down, whittle it down, they had issues with originally it was going to be these churches with these religious artifacts that the guys had to go and stop. Jake from destroying which Jake ended up being a really
important character. And my whole thing is, why didn't we meet Jake sooner then? We met Ava way sooner and hunted. And then she was back again. In the finale. We met Andy way sooner. And then he was back in the finale. Why didn't we meet Jake
sooner? Yeah. Or the what was the other girl? Well, I
know the other girls, she she just ended up dying. She wasn't very important. But Jake, ended up being really important in the finale. We needed to have met that character sooner in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, it would have helped to have had some connection to Jake had an episode where we met him and he was likable. And then we get to this finale, and he's the adversary, you know, like something that was a missed opportunity, in my opinion.
However, after hearing that the original finale was six plus, I bet you we got a lot more. Jake. I bet you we got to know Jake a lot more in the original version? Oh, yeah. than before. So that's one of those things where I was telling you is that like, I have these criticisms. But after watching all the special features, it's like, Oh, I bet you originally that was something you were planning to address. And due to budget time, all of these other issues that came into play, you just
couldn't really address it. But I would have liked to have seen more of Jake got to know more about Jake. Before the season finale and also yellow eyes. He was like this distant back of mind thing.
I feel like he he like started and ended it because he was very much a part of the first part of the season with you know, the the one guy in therapy and seeing like, we saw him in his closet with all the yellow eyes and all that stuff. And then it's like, we ended it with him too. And I think and one of my trivia things was that that the guy that played him for the, at the end of the first season and the beginning of the second season, he wasn't originally supposed to be that
same person. But I guess fans liked him so much. So they kept him through the second season.
Which seems odd to me, because our fans like him so much. We've barely gotten to see him.
I don't know, I guess maybe some people are fans of him. You know, we hire I don't know. Yeah. But like, we
don't even know his name. At this point. I know his name, because I've seen stuff that has spoiled it for me. But like we don't even know his name at this point. And he's dead. Yeah. And just the the confrontation, it all seemed very, even though it was a two part season finale, it seemed like there were a lot of gaps to me, they could have spread out a little bit more of yellow eyes and the demon children throughout the season leading up to the season finale.
And they just gave us kind of like these couple of pin points. And then all of a sudden, it was really important. And we needed to remember all this because all of this was getting resolved right now. Now I'm happy they resolved this at the end of season two, don't get me wrong. I just feel like they could have built up to it a little bit better than they did. Especially since Sam was apparently his favorite and all this other kind of stuff. Well, then why are you going and talking to the evil
twin of Andy? Why are you going to talk to these people? You aren't gonna talk in Assam? It just just seemed a little disjointed to me.
Sounds not so easily manipulated,
perhaps Perhaps.
But I think that falls in step with what you were saying about still trying to get their footing,
you know, that's what I was saying is that like I, when we watch the special features, it's like okay, it makes sense why this felt kind of like they didn't quite have the swing of things yet. Like it's an intermediate kind of thing.
I like how I just said it falls in step with how they were still trying to get their foot. I didn't even realize like, Oh, we'll
get to this so clever. So clever. Also, I remember when we were watching the two part Season Finale you talking about? It looks weird. Why does it look weird? And we found out that we had to film so much of it on a blue screen in a studio, which they haven't done a lot of to this point. So that kind of explains why it looks weird. And we also felt like Jeffrey Dean Morgan seemed like he was just there and it was like what's
happening? And literally that's how they had to film it because Jeffrey Dean Morgan wasn't available. He was all booked up. And so they literally just had to film some shit with Jeffrey Dean Morgan and like kind of stick it in there.
They had to do that with what's her name? Poleski the plate. Sam's girlfriend Jessica. Forget Jennifer and
not Genevieve. Maliki is his wife and say Genevieve I
said Jennifer Oh Jennifer lucky though Lucky her name is Poleski Oh, is it? Yeah.
How to Lucky? Yeah. Okay, so Jennifer lucky Oh, no, I
don't think it's Jennifer. I forget her first name. And I should have written it down. So I apologize. But she was on. She was filming Friday Night Lights at the time. And so she had to do her stuff on like a green blue screen, I think in Austin, and have it sent to them. So she wasn't really there either.
Yeah, and you could see, you could see all of that stuff, you could definitely tell Adrian visually, ADRIAN Adrian Pelech, Adrian Pelech are public yet. Because we were definitely talking about that. Why we're watching the season finale. Yes. Yeah. I do like that the season finale has set it up that all these demons escaped through the hell gate and they're gonna have to go hunt them down and all of that kind of stuff. Yeah. But also at the same time, it just didn't feel as epic to me as the
season one finale. Like, yeah, the season one finale, when we finished it, we could not wait to start season two. And I'm still excited to start season three, I'm still looking forward to starting season three. But I wouldn't say I'm on the edge of my seat being like, Oh, my God was what's gonna happen next. Yeah, from the season two finale,
I'm sure they're, they're all going to be different. Like, we're gonna have no frustrates feelings. So we'll see.
Well, it's like our podcast, like, not every episode is a banger. Like, this is gonna, how it's gonna be, you know, they had all these fucking obstacles thrown in their way. And they literally did the best they absolutely could do with the resources and time that they had available to them. Right. So
kudos,
Way to go guys.
I have one more trivia that makes me solidify the fact that I think it's Jared and Jensen, who are the ones carrying on this shitness. That so in the scene where Jared? I don't know it spoiler alert. Just cut it off. You don't want to hear about in the scene where Jared dies.
I mean, they should have already heard our recap of the season finale and stuff they should already know that.
So they said that after cut was called Jensen stayed on his knees, like upset at the thought of Jared dying like he had to like he like had to like collect himself. And then before they could go on, he had to like walk it off. No. Like he had to go like take a walk and like get himself together. I think it's them. I think it's the two of them and their relationship and that they're I mean brothers from another mother. They love each other and love. Yeah.
That's so sweet. So, so the next thing of the special features, I feel like we've been talking forever, was this little Roadhouse section where it just focused on the Roadhouse, which this whole thing was very interesting. Because it starts with them saying, yeah, the higher ups the powers that be insisted that we had to give Sam and Dean like a home base, you know, somewhere, they could go to recharge and all this other
kind of stuff. And yet it ends with them saying, we can't possibly have Sam and Dean have this home. He's so burned it all down to the ground.
Well, yeah, he was like, burn it. Burn it down, burn,
burn. I don't want them to have a home. I want I want it destroyed. So it was really weird to me that they're like, Oh, well, the executives demanded that we have this the beginning of the season. But by the end of the season, we decided fuck that we're going to destroy it. This poor boys
have nowhere nowhere to go no home. No, no family,
they gotta they gotta be screwed from all sides. Right? We already heard that we already heard them say that's one of the
best. So that's that. The other thing that I was thought was interesting was they were talking about the two female characters that we got Ellen and Joe, and talking about how Ellen's character worked well, because she's like a motherly type or a sisterly type or someone kind of coming in but because the audience at this time, which I shouldn't even say at this time, because it's still true to this day, was the vast majority of them were female.
They were like we aren't dealing with fanboys we're dealing with fan girls. So bringing in a love interest, they actually said was an Anna Thap and a faff.
I can't remember what the word was. Yeah, you had it. But like you said, it's basically the anybody they brought in in a romantic sense. The fans did not they hated her. They
anathema. They said it was an anathema that they were going to hate Joe. Now Joe did do an interview on Supernatural then and now with Richard Speight, Jr, and Robert Benedict, are best friends. And she was talking about how Eric KRUPKE was when she was first on the show. They were kind of trying to decide is she going to be a potential love interest? Or are we going to have it be a twist that she's actually a half sister and John was her father, which would have been really
interesting. I know they never went that route. But that would have been really interesting. I was sad to hear them talking about Joe in this way because after born under a bad sign like shows growing on me. I know she's not in the show later on because again, I actually started paying attention in later seasons. But I'm I'm starting to like Joe by the end of season two. Me too. So it makes me sad that she wasn't embraced by the audience at that time.
It does seem like they probably got a more male fan base at some point, though, just from us being at the convention. I mean, there were probably more females than males, but there were
quite a few dudes there. Yeah, there were quite a few doors and I thought, but starting out CW crew. Yeah, you know, it makes sense. I will say this ash deserved better. I agree. I don't like how they handle the ashes death. Like we could have at least gotten like a scene that showed him doing something amazing where Ash is the one who blew up the Roadhouse in order to fuck over the demon that was trying to come in there and do like something right and it wouldn't
have taken that much time. Ash deserved about her like, Man, I did not fucking like that, how they had ash go out, did not like it at all. And then we had the bloopers, which we'll post on our social media pages, check. Check her Instagram and our tick tock. You've probably seen them before, if you're a fan of the show. So check out the bloopers on our social media pages, Instagram, tick tock. We aren't on Twitter that much.
With all of this being said, we ended up talking way longer for this episode than I thought we would.
Well, you had a lot more than I thought you were gonna have because you said you didn't write anything now. I
didn't think I didn't. I didn't think I did, girl. Anyway, so season two, what are your overall thoughts? Actually, first? What was your favorite episode of season two?
I wrote down that it was hard because I liked that they finally did it like a werewolf and that Jared got some. Sam got some really. And I just I really liked the episode. It was good. I would say that. My second one. My second favorite was born under a bad sign. What about you?
Those are both good. I'm sure you can guess what my favorite episode was one tall tales. I loved it. It was just the different perspectives that were occurring throughout the episode we got Bobby. We got introduced to the Trickster character. I just really enjoyed that episode. Yeah. I also liked roadkill. Yeah, yeah. Because I enjoyed the episode being from the perspective of the ghost, so to speak. I know a lot of people are saying, Oh, the twist at the end, but I liked that
perspective of the ghost. And yeah, I'm looking forward to digging into season three, finding out how they're going to hunt down all these demons. Yeah, because they have seemed a little apprehensive with dealing with demons up to this point. So if that's going to be the majority of season three is hunting down these demons or whatever, they have escaped from the Hellgate. What's that going to look like? Yeah,
well, and if they're trying to like change things up each season. Let's see if how different it'll be from the first two seasons
will Bobby be around more you think I'm better be I love Bobby. I expect he's gonna because he's who had to help them with Meg. Right. So I imagine he's gonna have to help them. Yeah, he
knows more supernatural stuff than that. into it.
Yeah. I'm excited for season three. Yeah. All right. Well, cheers. Cheers. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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