Bloody Mary (1x5)

Ella, welcome to denim wrapped nightmares, Tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode,

over drinks, we'll discuss the lore the gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.

I'm Burleigh and I'm a new fan of the series,

I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now let's get tipsy. Hello, LA, hey Burley,

so on our last episode, we discussed phantom traveler from

season, human the mold traveler. Mold the black mold traveler. So on Transnational flight. 2485 A man was possessed by the spirit of the Phantom traveler, who turned out to be a disaster demon, just like wanting to, like destroy and cause chaos and destruction and all of that chaos demons. I

feel like there's another show I watch where they call there was a chaos demon, or a movie or something.

I keep thinking, MCU, chaos magic, yeah,

maybe that's what I'm thinking of.

Maybe that's it, yeah. I

think that is with maybe the black no Scarlet Witch,

yeah, the Scarlet Witch and the book. I think all that kind of, maybe that's what we're thinking of, yeah. But anyway, so they caused the plane to crash. There were seven survivors, and then the demon was like, I have to finish the job. Survivors, no survivors. And so Sam and Dean stepped in, saved the day, they exercised the spirit, banished it back to hell, and they save an entire plane full of people, heroes. Yes, they took the battle to the

God, I'm glad we don't film this Okay,

so that was the last episode. Now let's get into the gore and what we adore as we explore this week's episode, Bloody Mary.

I'm first gonna start off with what I wrote down in my my first note for this episode was, I don't mess with that shit, because I remember being younger and the whole bloody mary story and blah, blah, blah. I never even attempted to try it because that shit scared me.

I think I did, I think,

I don't think

I did it like on a weekend basis, but I'm pretty sure I did it more than once, and I don't even remember the full legend, like, I know you went in to the bathroom, and you turned off the lights, and you said the name three times. But I don't remember exactly what was supposed to happen afterwards. I don't either. I think she was just supposed to come after you in some way, yeah, appear in the mirror or something like that. But

yeah, not not this guy, not me. And I remember, I told you when we were watching about my cousin the one time where I was she scared the shit out of me. I She we were I was at her house, and she had a window that faced the front yard and like, so she could see everything. And I went out there to get something out of my car, and it was dark, and I started walking back up to the house, and I saw her in the window watching me. Because I always like to tell people, like, watch me so I don't get

that everybody wants to snatch. Hey, you. And I've had the conversation. I can recall at least three or four times where I somebody tried to snatch me when I was younger. It happened. Well, I wasn't that

young. This was like it was in my 20s.

It still happens. True, in all seriousness, that still happens. But yeah, so

I'm walking back up, and I see her in the window, and she's just kind of standing there. And I get closer and she starts banging on the windows with both hands, saying, behind you, behind you. And she looks panicked as hell, which scares the shit out of me. I don't even think I looked behind me. I was so scared I ran. I just ran at the front door, and then she opens the door, just cracking up. And I was like. Fucking bitch, like you just scared the

stick with you. They stick with you, right? Oh, yeah. You know, I remember when I was younger, hearing a story about a guy hiding under your car and slicing your Achilles tendon, or you went to go get under your bed, or under your bed. I still will look under my car to this day, not all the time, but just

I'm at Sadie's house and I'm in the bathroom, I always have to look behind the Okay, so make sure I do that in there. I

do that too, because in college, our friend Nick That was his favorite thing to do was go hide in the bathtub with the curtain closed. No wait until you were on the toilet peeing, and then would throw open the curtain and scare Oh my

I mean, at least you're on the toilet so if you piss yourself. I mean, that little asshole, I would have been hell no. Oh my God, so

many things, but yeah. So back to back to supernatural, yes,

yeah. So this episode, it was called Bloody Mary, right? Yes. Okay. So it starts out in Toledo, Ohio, and there are these three little girls playing truth or dare, as we all did when we were younger,

sometimes when we were older. Too, true. Yeah.

The little girl, Lily, I guess it's her house, and she is dared to say Bloody Mary three times in front of the mirror. So she reluctantly goes in. She doesn't clearly, she clearly doesn't want to do it right, smart, but dumb for doing it the other girls. So she goes in and does it, and the other girls start paying on the door. That's when you told her Yeah, so that's yeah. And then her father pokes out from upstairs, and his name is Steven Shoemaker, and he tells them not get off. Be

There were a lot of reflective surfaces. Some of them were mirrors, some of them were picture frames. I

think, I don't think, oh, one of them was, like, the window, yeah,

but it was pretty cool. It was, it was really creepy,

yeah. Oh, and is she like? She didn't look like a woman. She was short, she I thought it was a little girl, but I did. I mean, well,

we find out later that she was a teenager, right? So I we were

confused, because when you do Bloody Mary, it's like, they come after you, right? You know? But then this one's like, clearly following her dad. At

first, we just thought it's because it's like, Oh, Daddy, Shoemaker.

She has good taste.

There's an age limit. Those girls are weird.

I was like, You're too young. We're going after Dad. We're going after the dad instead. So his older daughter, who's a teenager, probably, she

showed up after curfew, right?

And her little sister's giving her shit about it and whatnot. So she runs away from the little girls and goes upstairs, but she sees a pool of blood outside of the bathroom, which, you know, not normal, no? And she opens the door and screams, and basically we learned that her dad died in there, and that his eyes like liquefied into blood. And just

they said there was, like, a lot of blood in his brain and all that, yeah, that there's a lot of blood, yeah, just overall, a lot of blood,

yes. So then we, we catch up with Sam and Dean, and they are driving, Sam's having a lot of nightmares about what happened with Jessica. He keeps seeing her on the ceiling and burning, and he's not talking about it. Yeah? I mean, Dean's trying to kind of get him to talk about it, yeah? Like, and he's right. He needs to talk about it. But Sam's not not doing it. He's not budget holding

on to that. Yeah, torment all themselves, tortured soul, that, Sam,

yeah, and I feel like that kind of continues on through the next for a while. Yes. I mean, I don't know. I'm assuming, just because it's being brought up now and all that. So him and Dean hear about the shoemaker, Shoemaker, shoemakers

death. Yeah, they're like, looking at, they're looking at the circumstances newspaper, they're reading the obituary newspaper again, yep. And they got this, the obituary circled, yeah. And they're like, this is weird.

Yeah, they go to the morgue and bribe this little bitchy attendant. He was,

he was sassy. I liked him. Yes, he knows his worth,

and he and basically they're like, Yeah, you know, pulling their thing that they always do, like, we're here. What were they? Medical students? Yeah,

we're medical students. We're writing a paper, yeah. And it's so funny because as they walk in, it showed Dean, look at the first desk where there's, like, the name tent thing that says the doctor's name, and it was just like a cluster of consonants. So they get to the attendance. And Dean's like, we're here for Dr claw Foxtrot trying to, like, play it off. So obviously the attendant knew right off the bat. Yeah, bullshit, yeah.

So basically, obviously, he doesn't buy their shit. And so it's Sam that pulls out some dollar bills, some bills right to bribe them. He's like, okay, takes him back to the body.

Well, what I thought was weird about that is that Sam pulls out his wallet, oh, right, bribes him. And then dean is like, he I earned that. Sam's like, in a poker game, and then they walk off. And I'm like, Why did Sam have your money? Then Dean, right? Your little brother,

you're letting your little brother,

having your little brother for you.

Well, let them. I guess Dean's bad with money.

Maybe I wouldn't. I would. I would believe it, yeah, he'd still treat me, right?

I'm sure he would. Oh, okay, so they go back to the body, and he like, he lists the sharp or whatever, yeah, lets them see it, and no eyes. It's really creepy, right? And so what was it that they they had to bribe them again for?

Was it the records or the police report? I think police

report. Okay, yeah, so again they asked for that, and again, the guy's not buying it so well, he

already knows he can get money out of the right? So he's just like, Oh, I'm not supposed to. He's always, I'm not supposed to show you that. So Sam's like, Oh, all right.

So then they go to the shoemaker house, after which I thought was really inappropriate, after the funeral, it's the wake, and these two show up in their grungy clothes. Just then everybody's in black. I'm like, Could you wait a day? Could you have waited till the next

day? Guys, nope, we got to show up at the wake,

and so they go and speak to the daughters. And the older daughter, Donna, and has some friends there, Jill and Charlie. And, I mean, I forget which one, but one of them had the right reaction of being like, oh,

who are you guys? Yeah, she was obviously very happy with the eye candy. Now, on the

same the other friend, not so much. She was super defensive and right, overly protective, yeah, and I'm sorry, but I don't know of any girl that would be like. What the are you two doing here?

Right? If you saw them like, I'm sorry if two guys who look like that come up and are talking to me, You better shut your mouth. La, oh,

I know,

I know you let them talk.

I would, I would be trying to be like, I mean, they weren't even put my hand up, like, do you see me too,

right? They weren't even asking that invasive of questions. Yeah. And the friend was just like, she doesn't want to talk about she was a bit much, yeah, little, little much, little

much as they're sitting there talking, they're just trying to get a grasp on what happened to Mr. Shoemaker and the little girl Lily, who did the Bloody Mary, you know, reveals that, right? She's, she's the one that killed her dad, because she did the Bloody Mary, and that's, that's what killed him, which, she didn't seem that remorseful about it. She just, she seemed scared. Matter of fact, they just told them, like, I like, I killed my dad.

I thought she was scared, and I had the impression, or it gave me the impression, that she's told other people and people aren't believing her, and so she's more like, trying to be like, listen to me, rather than being like,

yeah, you know, I get it.

I get it. That was my impression. Okay, I get that. I see that I might be giving her too much credit.

Nah. So after they talk to the girls, they go in the house and they look in the bathroom, and it's Charlie, the aggressive friend, comes in. Y'all doing in here, what are you doing? And just kind of like interrogates them. And finally she, I guess she kind of acquiesces a little bit.

Sam. They, like, pointed out, like, we think there's some foul play, right? It's not normal, right? And I think she asked if your cops, and they were like, kind of, yeah. And then they gave her their number. And I was like, Oh, I don't know, maybe bitchy is the way to

go, right? Good for her. She got Sam gave her she got Sam's number, which they should make some cards, you know, little business cards, the family business right? Anyway, later that night, Charlie is in her car on the phone with Jill, the one who had the right reaction to the boys, right? And she we knew what you

were thinking, Jill,

oh yeah, for real,

you didn't have to say it out loud. We knew. So

Charlie is obviously worried. And Jill's like, oh my god, you're so stupid. I'm gonna go do it right now. That's not what happened. And as an idiot goes in and does the Bloody Mary three times in the mirror. And sure enough, shortly after she gets off the phone with Charlie, she's like, I'll talk to you tomorrow, you silly bitch. Yeah, it is. And so sure enough, she's about to brush her teeth, and her reflection starts doing something different than what

Wasn't necessarily an accident.

So Dean starts researching all the deaths of these women called Mary who died in front of a mirror, and finds that in Indiana there was a Mary Worthington. So they go to Indiana and speak to the police there who worked on that case. Mary was 19 when someone broke into her apartment, murdered her and cut out her eyes with a knife

right like, ooh, he seemed to be like a retired cop who just, you know, you watch that one, you watch the true crime documentaries, and you hear the cops that'll be talking about the case that happened years ago that they never saw one. They can't can't let go. They never stopped thinking about it, right? And it seemed like that kind of situation. I agree. Yeah. I wish they had got a little bit more into the cop, right? I liked the actor, and I feel like they could. That's

I agree. Scene. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Excuse me, I had to take a drink. Um, so before she died, before this, Mary died in front of this large mirror, she tried to spell out what they assume was her killer's name, because it was her, it was there was blood on her finger that she was trying to right, and it was T, R, E, that was all that was so, I guess she died before she finished. There finished it obviously, which

is a callback to Sherlock Holmes, A Study in Scarlet. Sherlock Holmes,

remind me. I've seen that one twice, but remind me so

they find a murder victim who had been scratching, that's right, the name, into the floor, and they didn't finish it. So I thought that was a nice little Sherlock Holmes callback. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but that's what I thought. Yeah,

I could see it. But so there was a surgeon named Trevor Sampson who was a suspect.

Oh, really,

but nothing was ever proven for her murder that he was involved with. It remained unsolved. It turned out that they were having an affair, right? Yeah, he

found out there was some shady shit going on, yeah, in the background. And he was like, and the picture of the guy, he looked like a straight up villain. They showed a picture of him. He had on, like these sunglasses, like the bad guy from matrix, and just this big smile, like a Tim Curry esque smile, like you just tell he was a bad guy. Yeah,

the detective had said in her last journal entry, Mary's last journal entry was that she was gonna tell the wife,

yeah, she was referring to him as she was he said. She never said the name of the guy, but she was referring to whoever it was as T, like it was just the letter T, and

I thought you were telling me to timeout when

I'm, like, doing a t over my head, which, I don't know why I'm doing that, why I feel the need to do a big T over my head. But yeah, she

said, T Correct, yeah. So that was she was gonna tell the

they shouldn't be allowed to make those calls, yeah? Anyway, they're like, I. Okay, she was cremated. She was burned. So how is she still lingering right?

Why is her spirit still around? So they think that they noodle it over, and then they decide they do noodle it over. They decide that her spirit is trapped in the mirror. And so they go and find, try to find this mirror that was at her house, the one she finger painted on, yeah, trying to write out Trevor's name. So they and they discover that the whoever in the family had it sold it to this antique shop, yeah, so they go to the shop

like, Bloody Mary, Bloody Mary, blood Mary, Mary. Like, right away, fast,

yeah, right away. In the mirror that in the bathroom just says it like, no big deal. Fuck you. Jill leaves, yeah,

which we should come back that Sam and Dean have kind of figured out that the ghost of Mary is not necessarily going after whoever, quote, unquote her, yeah, but she goes after whoever is guilty of having potentially caused the death of somebody else, right? Like she's seeking vengeance on people, yeah? So it's not necessarily that she's gonna go after Donna, even though Donna's the one who summoned her right then, we find out shortly after, Charlie's in trouble.

Yeah, well, and I don't know if everybody remembers, but they had those old lipstick cases, like the one lipstick you put in and you it buttons, but you unbutton it, it's got the little tiny mirror so you can put your lipstick on. And that's so she's in her classroom, pulls that out and sees Bloody Mary behind her. So she's like, oh shit, thanks a lot,

Donna fucking bitch.

Like, you didn't kill anybody. But I think, I

think I killed somebody, and now I'm fucked. Thanks a lot.

As I said when we were watching it, when she started to say that in the mirror, I would have slapped you, right? Or, like, like, been, like, slapped my hand on your mouth so you couldn't finish something. Like, she

said it quickly, but it wasn't that quick. You could, she could, you could have kicked a knee and, yeah, made some shit happen. Like,

shut up, don't you fucking do that. I gotta stop cussing. Okay,

you're fine. We're an explicit show. It's fine. So

anyway, the boys, she calls the boys. The boys are here, the boys, and they come to she's in a hotel room and she's in their

hotel room. Yeah, she got to go. She like, calls them and tells them what happened. They come and get her and take her to their hotel room. Like, good for you. It's another wise move, Charlie, really smart, Charlie. And she's, well, good. They're covering up the pictures, reflective everything. Remember you and I were joking, like, Hey, I think I think that shirt might be a little reflective. You

were like, Sam, like, I yeah, I might. I think I see a reflection on your button, on your shirt.

Can we get rid of that? Take

that off, right? Oh,

Dean, your pants. They seem to be reflecting something. Can we get rid of those?

Please save me. But good for her, because she's like, curled up like her head's covering her face in her knees, like, until they cover everything as well. Like, why am I doing it? Like anybody's watching me? Because it's great.

It's great, great for for our storytelling effect. So

she finally looks up and, like you said, she was, you know, those buttons needed to go, but whatever,

no clothing was removed in this episode. Yeah, unfortunately. But anyway, Sam and Dean, like, basically, are, like, You're safe here. Stay here. We're gonna go find this mirror. Well, no, no. So

they're they're concerned, because they're like, Well, what's up? Like,

oh yeah, I

forgot she told Yeah. Why is she showing up for you? If you know, we know what happened with the other two but like, what did you do? And so she tells them about this boyfriend she had, that they were super committed to each other, and she started to feel differently. And there was one night that she was leaving and he threatened to kill himself if she left, and she kind of callously said, go ahead and do it. And left,

right, and he, which was harsh as fuck you, right, you could have just left, yeah,

not necessary, but, you know, tension, yeah, could

have left call 911, yeah, there's more information out there these days than there were back then. True, I could see somebody doing something like

that right back then. Yeah, so she feels responsible for his death, which I think is bullshit. And Mary lay off because that's not her fucking fault. But

then that's on hints. Sam explains that apparently, with vengeful spirits, there is not really much of a gray area. You're either guilty or you're not. Yeah. Well. No, okay, I'm not saying I agree with the spirits. La, I'm just saying, what Sam said? Okay, you have a problem with it. Take it up with Mr. Winchester.

Okay, daddy, daddy Winchester, Where's

daddy Winchester? What's he coming back?

Um, so the boys decide that they need to go like that's when they discover they discover they need to go find this mirror, summon her and destroy the mirror, because they think that will destroy that will she can't be trapped in there anymore, so she can move on and go wherever she needs to go, right?

And Sam is the one who's like, I'm gonna summon her, yeah?

Well, and as we know, he feels guilty for is it Jessica? Jessica? Jessica, his girlfriend's death, which, again, not his fault, right? And then dean is

like, how could that possibly be considered your fault? You didn't know that was going to happen. You had no idea, yeah, and Sam's not really talking, so it's kind of like, Hmm, what's going on there?

Yeah, well. And it's like, I wonder if part of it, it's like it happened in his bedroom with his mom, and then it happened in his bedroom with his girlfriend too. So it's like, well, we

find out, but we find out later that Sam's nightmares that he's been having about Jessica dying, that he actually had those days before, right? She died. And so that's why he feels guilty,

well, but also like dreams are dreams. You can't control them, you know, sometimes you can. It's not like he had a premonition. I

mean, he did, but I hope some of my dreams have been premonitions,

not mine. I haven't had any good dreams lately. Okay, so we, we're back at the antique shop that has the mirror from Mary and the boys are, you know, looking around. It's a nice little antique store. They wrote going around trying to find the mirror. They have a picture of what the mirror looked like from the detective. So they're searching for it. They find it, and Dean decides to summon Mary. She appears, well, actually, it's before she appears that the lights

come on. Right? Yeah. They like said the names. And then right after Sam said it was really dramatic, he did a bunch of dramatic pauses between, like, Bloody Mary, yeah, Bloody Mary, it was, it was really slow. And then like, cut to black, and when it came back, it was Sam and Dean, and you saw headlights, yeah? And Dean was like, I'm gonna go take care of this.

Yeah, so Dean goes out there, it's cops, and he's trying. He's like, that's, that's my dad's place. And I think he says some, like, it was an Asian, an Asian, I didn't write it down, but yeah. And he's like, I was adopted. Like, he's just trying to play it, and these guys aren't buying it. So he assaults the police officers. He punches him out as one does, yeah, you know, not gonna go to jail, though. And

in the meantime, Sam is being taken over by Mary in the mirror. He's like, got the blood coming from his reflections, telling him you did it. You killed Jessica, all his

fault. Yeah. Sam is basically, like, on his way dying, that hero Dean comes in, like, like, the knight in shining armor, and smashes the mirror. And so, yeah,

Sam smashed a couple of mirrors in the process as well. Well, it was like, you and I both were like, That's not a bad luck,

right? But it wasn't. It's like he was trying to get to that mirror with her in it, but it's like he couldn't after she got hold of him. Yeah, yes, because he had the crowbar in his hand and he dropped, he dropped it, but Dean, Dean got him, got her. And so they're both on the ground. He, you know, pulled Sam away, and Mary comes out of the frame. Straight up. Ring reference for sure, it

was totally I love all these horror movie references that are happening in most of the episodes, some of them I have to think about. But this was what no thoughts. I knew immediately. Yeah, oh, Heron crawling out. It was totally like when she crawls out of the TV. Absolutely.

It was very cool. Yeah, so she's coming after them, they stand up, or no, she's up. And Dean grabs one of the mirrors that are that's next to him, and shows her her own reflection. And she's very Dorian Gray, yes, yeah. And so the her reflection starts accusing her of killing all these people, and it starts to cause her to self destroy. And she basically, like, melts, yeah,

to the ground was very, uh,

she like, kind of went blood red and kind of moldy, and just like, fell to the ground, yeah.

Like, nothing, yeah. And so Dean smashes that mirror just to make sure, yeah, she, she ain't coming back, right? So that's all said and done. And the boys go back to Charlie's house, and Sam tells her not to feel guilty anymore over that her boyfriend's death, like she couldn't have prevented it. It wasn't on her. And then dean basically tells Sam, you know, that's good advice, yeah, you know, like, Maybe

you should take it yourself. Bro, such a good But brother, yeah, when they're leaving,

Dean asks Sam yet again. He's like, you're gonna need to tell me what the secret was. But Sam's not budging. He says, No, he's keeping this one. And then he sees Jessica standing on the street corner in this long white nightgown, just watching him as he drives by, as they drive by, and then she disappears.

Yeah, but she's gorgeous. Oh, yeah, yeah. I liked it. I thought it was a pretty good it was a good one. Yeah, I

like that one too.

So as we dig into the lure, we've talked, we've explored the gore and what we adore, which there wasn't a lot of Gore in this one either. I mean, well, there was the the big blood pool from the dad and bloody eyes. Bloody eyes. This was a terrible it wasn't very graphic, yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't bad, yeah. For the lore, we have had our third Vengeful Spirit on our supernatural journey here. The first was our woman in white in the pilot episode. The second was the Drowned boy and dead in the

it's not Catherine the Great, no, Catherine the

Great was Queen.

Oh, okay, right.

Anyway, Mary's early life was chaotic as her father's frequent remarriages threatened both her claim to the throne and her very survival. Henry's pursuit of a male heir led to his split with the Roman Catholic Church. I think a lot of us know this story, the beheadings and all this other stuff going on with Henry the eighth. So Mary's faith put her at odds with the Protestant

Oh yeah,

there is this one guy, John Fox, who is held pretty responsible for Mary's reputation, because he wrote the acts and monuments better known as Fox's Book of Martyrs. And it was a detailed account of each and every martyr who died for his or her faith under the Catholic church that was published in 1563, and went through four editions in Fox's lifetime alone, testament to its popularity. So what does this

have to ask my uncle, if he knows about this book, do it? You know, he's just like, he's big into Catholicism, so, oh, okay,

like big time. As far as is bloody mary real? The answer is yes, like there was a real Bloody Mary, but as to whether or not it actually ties into the urban legend Bloody Mary that was featured in this week's episode, that's not really proven to be true, but

that's what I found in the lore. Very nice.

I feel like I've read something about that, but just all this background, I like that. You got it, yeah, bringing it up.

So to close out our episode, we have another quote, which I'll tell you the quote from the episode. But then I actually went to Cheers to a different quote from something else that this quote made me think of. Okay, so in the episode, it's after Sam wakes up from a nightmare, and Dean is like, So what'd you dream about? And Sam goes lollipops and candy canes. And it made me think of a quote from get Him to the

Greek. Oh, god, yeah.

So I want to cheers to this quote, your brain is full of lollipops, rainbows and cheese,

cheers. I like it.

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