Welcome to denim wrapped nightmares tipsy exchange Podcast where we explore the supernatural series, episode by episode.
over drinks, we'll discuss the lore of gore and what we adore about the Winchesters and their adventures.
I'm burly, and I'm a new fan of the series.
I'm LA, and I'm here along for the ride. Now, let's get tipsy.
Hello, la. Hello, Burley. I think I've mentioned it on the podcast before I may or may not have honestly. But I used to be a dance choreographer. You were one of my biggest cheerleaders. Oh, yeah. You did nothing in the dance world. But I remember you like we'd be out at a bar and you'd randomly be like, show them that dance that you video, like, pull up that video. I wasn't doing big productions, like with professional dance companies or anything like that.
I was predominantly choreographing for competitive dance teams. And I think you probably remember me complaining about this shit damn near 20 years ago. And I still get really fired up when I talk about it. So if I go there, like let me know that I'm yelling, and I need to tune it down a little bit. But as a young college student struggling to make ends meet, wanting to do something I loved something I was passionate about. I mean, I put my heart and soul into these
pieces. One of my managers who had been a mentor, so this was doubly bad, literally took an entire routine I had made and went and taught it to some other company, some other dance team, and got paid for it. Wow. They just decided it was theirs. They had paid me for my time to come in and teach it to their group. And so they decided that was theirs then to do whatever they wanted to with it. And I just, I remember how that made me feel. So we're going to be your very
defeating. I'm sure that our listeners probably know where I'm going with this. I personally feel very strongly about what's happening with the WGA and sag AFTRA, the things that these studios are expecting them to do. I, I don't like it. I don't like it. So if you follow us on Instagram, you probably knew this was coming. LA and I are not members of the WGA or sag AFTRA, we know that our show is not technically
crossing the picket line. But we've also had a discussion and decided that we can do more with our little show here, our little space. So we're pausing our season four episodes. I've received multiple messages, from listeners asking us to please not pause completely. And we won't be we are going to still be publishing bonus episodes, we're going to try and focus on some indie projects from the
cast of supernatural. We're we were planning to do a bonus episode on kin manners already, we'll just be doing that earlier than we anticipated. We're trying to think of some other fun things that we could potentially do. Because fact is we don't know when the strike is going to end. But if Snoop Dogg can cancel his show, to show solidarity with the strike, we can pause our little, little venture here in season four. With that being said, we wanted to talk a little bit about the
strike. Again, we're not union members, we are not speaking on behalf of the Union. These are literally just burly and LA's thoughts. When it comes to the strike.
We did watch a couple of like YouTube videos from people in the industry, catching us up on things and kind of talking about the ins and outs and why why this is happening more so than just you know, money.
As always I'll be posting anything that we looked at anything we are possibly referencing, unless it's one of those things we randomly saw online and don't know where we saw it. I'll be posting links on our Tumblr page if you guys are interested in learning more.
Yeah, and they were I really liked what we had we got we if there was one with Adam Conover Yeah. And then who the girl
Mikayla something
gorgeous yeah so adorable. So well spoken Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah,
she just got to the point yes.
But yeah, so super helpful and kind of letting us know a little deeper into what is going on and like it is it is about money but it's also about just like ownership of your you at this point too, which is crazy. Well, like
I said, the writers you know their work is it's that's why I wanted to open with my story as a choreographer. If you put in to this, these AI systems that you want a supernatural episode in the style of Ben Edlund. How do you think that fucking software learned to produce a script like that? It's because they were fed Ben Edlund work. So what have you now reduced Ben Edlund to this Creative, kinda crazy genius who we love so much. And you've just beat them into this machine and
expected spit stuff out. And all the nuances and we were talking about in our commanders episode that we recorded before this, you guys will hear it later about all the extra work they go through to get you to feel certain. How was an AI machine gonna do that? Right? Like,
how was it like convey such like human emotion and just like such, I don't know, I just I don't see how it could be possible to like really be able to hit us the way a person's who's lived. Their writing does
not not now anyways, it just seems like the people who are making decisions, the priority has become to make money. They used to be proud of being associated with something that was this piece of art that was expected to be iconic and timeless and last through the ages. And and now all they care about is profit margin, profit, profit, profit, profit, you know, special effects have been suffering, because they're giving these deadlines and this
work for people to do. They can't possibly get done in time. And so they're like, well, then the quality can suffer. Because we have to pump out this content in order to make our money.
Well, and then like another thing we were watching too, it's like a lot of it, though, isn't even really necessary for the story. Right? Don't need all that.
The new avatar, how long ago was the first Avatar? Oh, my
God forever?
Did you feel like the the CGI was any better than the first? I didn't? I felt like it looked exactly the same. And I expected because the amount of time that Oh, this one's going to blow me away just like the first one. No, no. If anything I would say wasn't as good as the first one. All it's just about producing mass content to try and get as much money as possible is what is what it seems like from the outside
looking in. Right? I totally don't know what you were talking about with Mikayla as video before I went off on a tirade there, sorry.
Oh, no, I was just gonna go into like how what she talked about like, it's about like the residuals for the writers and for the actors that now with these streaming platforms, it's viewed over and over again. And they're not getting any money from that
I was about to say what residuals exactly are not getting them at all your face is being put out there over and over and over again, complete strangers all over the country. know you by name, recognize you because they've seen you in multiple things. And you can't afford health insurance. Yeah, you're not meeting the minimums for your union.
And then they want to take your likeness. And then just use it, scan it, scan it, use it however they like in whatever they like
forever. Yeah, no consent, whatever they want to put you on, they're just going to stick you in there.
So they don't have to pay. You can be in like 20 movies, and you're never paid for it. Yeah.
And that that sucks on its own. But it's also you and I are both huge movie fans, the camaraderie and the teamwork and all these things historically have worked. You know, I've heard people from the Barbie Movie Talk about walking onto the sets and seeing the sets, they were just things like these magical things that have happened in moviemaking, you're going to strip them all away.
Because again, you're trying to minimize the cost of labor, and maximize the profit background actors even how many priceless little moments have there been where a background actor did something? Like what let's talk about Star Wars, The Stormtrooper that hits their head, you know, you're just gonna have AI. She's gonna be like a computer game character in the background. Like, those little things are part of what makes us love movies. And it's
supposed to be art. It's not supposed to just be some product to keep shareholders are happy. And I hate that. It seems like that's what it's being boiled down to. Again, I'm not in the union. I'm not in the industry. It's impossible. We could watch all the videos, read all the articles and not fully comprehend the full situation. From our perspective. That's what it seems like it's coming down to
Yeah. Well, I'm like, didn't you say something about all if all the studio heads just put in 2% of their salary? Yeah, Sebastian
rochet shared something on his Instagram. Let me see if I can find it. I think it was in his story. So I don't know if it's still active. So I may not be able to find the source. But I did memorize it. Where essentially it said that if each of the CEOs for the network's who are being represented by the ANP TP sacrificed 2% of their salaries, that they would be able to meet every single demand of the WGA and sag AFTRA.
Wow, it's like we we both got to frickin pursuit last year, this year can't even fucking see it. Like when when I saw it, I was like, Liz like a fucking joke. Like, yeah, slap in the face. So it's like, if that's how I feel about 2%
Yeah. Like, come on, like you, the CEOs, you wouldn't even miss it, ya know? And Yet, You're Going to declare that these demands are unrealistic. I'm sorry, I feel it's the other way around what you're asking of your laborers what you're asking of your workers is unrealistic. Absolutely. And insulting to be quite frank 100%.
Well, unlike Makayla said, I guess there was an alleged quid article. Oh, the quote, yeah, that they're just like waiting it out till they start losing their apartments and homes. Yeah. Real fucking nice. Yeah.
Real classy. Wow. Yeah. Real respectful of these people who have made you all the money that you've made thus far.
Well, I'm like Adam said without us, they have no product. What are you going to do?
And their poor decision skills, the fact that they weren't ready fire aim with this whole streaming business model? Before really working things out? All they saw was, oh, shit, here's an opportunity where we think we're going to make money, let's do it. And they didn't think things through. You're being paid millions of dollars, because you're so smart. And you make excellent decisions as an executive. I don't know why I'm pretending to hold a cigarette.
As I'm pretending to be an executive over here, like, Oh, I'm an executive. Oh, I'm so smart. I make all these great decisions. Well, you made a stupid fucking decision. Maybe you should be the one whose salary and pay is pulled from about you lose your home? Yeah. How about you're the one who isn't going to have enough money to cover your home. You're the one who fucking put everybody in this position. You change the business model overnight, without thinking through
everything. And now you just want everybody else to change their entire lifestyle, potentially have to change their entire career. Because you made a bad call.
And they made you all that money. Yeah. I don't
know the name of the CEO of Netflix. I don't know the name of any of the executives at Warner Brothers. I know. Ben Edlund Jensen Ackles Jared paddle lucky Richard Speight Jr, Robert Benedict, Sebastian rochet. There why you guys have money. And now you're saying we're just gonna wait you out? Fuck you. Yeah. Again, we're not part of the menu of the Union. We're not part of the industry at all. This is purely our opinion. And it's
incredibly like just the lack of respect and like gratitude for what they've given you. I mean, now that's a slap in the fucking face.
Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've seen so many people on social media just fucking bitching about the strike. being worried because I'm not gonna get Deadpool three when I wanted it and all this other stuff. And it's just look at the bigger fucking picture here, man, because this is happening throughout the country. We're keeping the rich richer is becoming this huge priority for all of these decision makers and the distribution of wealth, the gap in between the classes. I
mean, come on. Again, Bob Iger saying it was unrealistic. I'm sorry, dude. But I think that maybe you need a reality check. Yeah, you want to bitch about people aren't going to the movies anymore. People can't afford to go to the movies every weekend. Literally can't afford to do it anymore.
Especially if you have kids or like a whole family.
Oh my god, how much would that even cost? $400? Holy shit. At least
my cousin. She wanted to take the kids to something recently. I can't remember something that's about to come out. I can't remember. But she was like, There's no way we can afford to take all of them at one time. Yeah. And it's like, and like we were saying, like, you could go buy the ticket. But you can't afford to get a fucking soda and popcorn or any other concessions.
And these days, you're almost guaranteed to be sitting there for at least three hours. Take some gum. I mean, what? A snack. It used to be a fun experience. Oh, yeah. And now it's just like, it's a privilege. Freakin perfect. It reminds me of what's his name, I think is Danny. Danny Pudi Am I saying his name right. He was on community. He was being well, he's he's an actor who was on the TV show community. And I might not even be saying the right name. Honestly, I should
probably Google it. But he's being interviewed by Larry King. And Larry King is asking him like, what his favorite luxury items are or some something like that. And he said, you know, like, great cup of coffee and some really nice socks. And Larry King was like, what? The sudden luxury item? What are you talking about? That's not a luxury item. It was like what would it look? What would a luxury item be to you Larry King? He was like a private jet. On Danny. Danny just looked him
on what? I'm on. DuckTales Larry. Yeah. Most actors are working class. People just like me in LA. The vast majority of them. I think that wasn't it. 2% 2% of actors are like the Tom Cruise's and the
George Clooney George Reese Witherspoon. John Cruz say Tom Cruise
Well, I'm thinking specifically what? I'm blanking her name. Joe Lee. What's her first name? Angelina Jolie. Angelina Jolie. Brad Pitt? Yes. You know why blanking on somebody's names? Who's the from dusk till dawn snake?
Oh Samaya Salma Hayek?
You know 2%. So it's it's not about millionaires bitching that they need more money. That's not what it is. It's about working class actors wanting to just meet the fucking minimum to get their health care writers. They don't get residuals or shit either. You know, they're there. What was Adam saying about they're trying to do away with the writers room?
Because like, I think they mentioned like, since the pandemic and everything. It's everybody's just like on a zoom call, instead of an actual writers room, which I think the the camaraderie and they're just like, the spitballing. Like you need that to be together in a room to really lay the energy.
Yeah, yeah, I agree. I understand that. That occasionally. You have to make it work. Okay. Okay. Like if somebody gets sick and has COVID Zoom them in? Yeah. Okay. But to just do away with the writers room completely? Well,
that and I forget the last one we were watching. But he was talking about how if you're a writer, you know, you learn from the writers there. Sometimes you're able to be on the set when you're, you know, your episode is going. And you can see the what goes on on the set you learn from seeing everything going on. And then like it used to be 20 episodes, seasons, where these people were steadily working half the year, and now everything's like eight to 10
episodes. Yep. They're not even like allowed on the sets or anything to be able to learn and then move up.
Yeah. And then Adam Conover was talking about, you know, we mentioned the camaraderie and how we've watched special features about the making of supernatural and how the writers work with the directors work with the actors work with the special effects team work with the makeup department. How are you doing all that? In a zoom? Right?
It's such a collaborative experience. Like that's what I always wanted to do. Like, the being on a film set, like in working in the background was what I was like, excited me. So I can't imagine what it's like for people now, who would would have had that privilege and been there and experienced it? And now if they don't get it, yeah, if
movie magic becomes reduced to just software output, I don't need it. You know, and I'm not against there being AI art out there. But that becoming the norm that taking over the industry that producing scripts and stealing people's likenesses and reusing them, it's just No,
I don't like anything like that, that is going to take a job from a person. And I like even I think that's one of the things like Tom Cruise is fucking insane. On a lot of levels for different reasons. Like how he's like crazy and does all these crazy stunts, you're taking that job from somebody, that's a stunt actor could take that and make a lot of money doing what you're
doing. And you can sit down. I don't think I was watching something with Keanu Reeves one time and he was saying, like, he does step aside and lets the stunt people do their stunts. Like he has mad respect for them. And I was like, that's, I mean, he's like, I could, you know, I could, I could probably do it, but I'm gonna let the professionals do their job. Right. So they're there to do. Well, I don't like anything like that.
Let the stump people do their work. And then so that you don't break your ankle and shut down set Yes, for however many months, you know, and then when you're not filming the movie, use your millions of dollars to go chase your what's the word? I'm like, adrenaline, adrenaline rush, go go do it then. Because it's like,
it's not just the writers and actors. There are hundreds of people it takes to make a movie
well, and this strike is causing all of those people I didn't even think about it to be without work right now. We're watching
one of those are like the like the props, people, the editors, everybody like everybody is out of work and losing money. I thankfully I did see that. Like the rock, Seth MacFarlane, I think Oprah Julia Roberts, a bunch of people have actually donated to cover their them while they're on this strike, which I think is really nice. A lot more of them could do that.
We actually have created donation link. We are hoping to do something fun for people who donate so please go to the link. If you go to DW in pod. It's DW in pod.com. It's our link tree and it'll be the first link on our link tree. If you are able to donate just like $5 That would be great. And again, we're hoping to do something fun like a raffle or something like that. We haven't quite figured out what that would be just yet. Let me know if you guys have any
suggestions. Let's show some support to the entertainment industry. This was meant to be a quick announcement, I think it turned into a full episode. But yes, we are pausing our season four episodes, we will resume those as soon as it makes sense to do so. In the meantime, we will be publishing bonus
episodes. And as we do like indie projects, or what have you, we will post on our social pages, what our bonus episodes are going to be about, and where you can find them to watch so that you can watch some other things with us, we will not be doing anything that is from austrac company, we're going to be opening our horizons and looking at some other kinds of projects. Explain what a struck company is. Okay, so a Strat company Are any of the companies who are being represented by the
ANP TP. In other words, the assholes who are refusing to pay their people for the hard work that they do in order to produce this product and to put money in their pockets. Yeah, because they need their 2% 5%. How even 10% They wouldn't miss that they need to keep that for themselves. It's unrealistic to one a living work like a living wage. So please donate if you aren't able to donate, please share the strike. They are not calling for a boycott right now.
So don't feel like you're needing to cancel your streaming services or anything like that at the moment. They are not calling for a boycott. However, they are saying that the best thing we can do right now is share your support on social media Share the posts that sag AFTRA WGA a lot of your favorite actors and writers are sharing information right now share that in your Instagram Stories, retweet. Get the word out there that you support the strike. If you are able to donate to our
link, please do so. Save your receipt. Because if we do a raffle, we'll be asking you to email that to us as your raffle entry. Basically, we hope that you're going to bear with us during this time. No one wants the strike to happen. We don't want to pause the show. But we both support the strike and it just feels like the right thing to do right now. Did I finish explaining what struck companies? I think I did. Okay, okay, good. All right. So with that, we thank you. Be patient
with us. And in the meantime, if our bonus episodes are not sufficient enough to tide you over. Remember, we do have the tipsy exchange. We haven't posted any new episodes there in a while. And the content we covered on that podcast is interesting. Interesting, sporadic. It's a little messier. Random is all hell. It's very messy. We it was our first podcast ever, so we had fun with it. So bonus episodes are probably going to be we're thinking once a week is is our
goal. We bonus episodes take a little bit more time on our end. So we won't be able to maintain our twice a week publishing rate that we've been doing so it'll be once a week, but check out the tipsy exchange if you need something else to listen to. And thank you guys so much in advance for sticking with us. We hope that you'll stick around until we can resume our regular episodes. Thank you for listening to denim wrapped nightmares.
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