S4E35: The 4th Joel Someone Interview

welcome to another episode of demystifying gay porn my name is like a grande and if you watch gay porn i've definitely helped to get off and what a surprise Who is sitting in my seat? None other than award-winning content creator, porn model. renaissance man right jill someone could you add like i would love that and me even saying it too it's kind of cute um i'm great thank you i feel like uh

I'm like the slime of this podcast. It just kind of like dripped down and everybody's like, oh, there's still someone on this season as well. Here we go again. This is actually still season four. There's a lot of Joel Simon on this season. This is the second time that you will be on season four. For a good reason. I mean, it's...

Thank you. I'm glad I'm deserving. I mean, it's still season four because of the fact that the history ones, they take a lot of time, a lot of research and all that. And I like to throw in a couple of interviews with models and producers and directors and stuff. Good softball interview. So when you were in town again, I...

Actually, you were like, hey, is it too soon? And I was like, it's never too soon for Joel someone. So we did a couple scenes. We did a couple scenes for Treasure Island. Well, we caught up a little bit, but I want to know what's been going on since the last year. A lot, a lot. I got to be with my beautiful boyfriend, King Dwarf, for, has it been a year?

Another year? I guess, yeah. Yeah, you're right. We're doing great. I love the pieces. We're definitely struggling with a lot more travel now. Because now we've always had very separate careers. And so we have been noticing. our schedules not keeping us together as much. And so we are definitely getting better about the like, making sure we try to make time for each other.

Do you want to talk about the Gavian Awards? Oh, really? You're going to siphon it out of me? You're going to siphon it out of me? Like, oh... Do you have something to say? Drip, drip, drip. Did you have some gossip that you possibly wanted to share with me? It doesn't have to be gossip. Do you have any... How were the Gay Vienna Awards? They were lovely. They were lovely.

The sportsmanship could have been a little bit better than it had been in years past, but what are you going to do about that? Did they belichick a couple of awards? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know nothing. What was it? Do you flake gate? Remember that during the Superbowl one year? Maybe, maybe, maybe they did, but you're not getting a little sauce. You're not taking a little thing from me. It's all right. I don't like, like I said before, I, this is a,

independently run podcast. The people who annoyed me for the AVN Awards will hear about me in person. Don't worry. All right. So you had a good time. I had a good time. I made a couple of really nice new friends. I became friends with Ryan Landers. He just messaged me. He's like, message me on the podcast. And so. Ryan Landers. Name drop. Well, you know, okay, the one thing I will say, the thing that did kind of suck is...

You know, you never noticed the little details like them dropping the names at the end of the... Because they'll nominate like 15 people. Yeah, yeah. And then they'll drop the last five. I was sitting right next to this guy, Ryan, who's Ryan Landers, super sweet dude, real niche. super interesting guy, has been doing it longer than me, and is a really successful content creator, was up for best new content creator. And he came, bought a suit,

You know what I mean? Got all done up and is at the award show with everyone else. And just like, you know, I remember the first year I was nominated. I knew I was fluff. I was like, okay. Joel, someone just get ready to clap.

I think we all knew that. I think we were... Are you talking about... Or just any of them. Who's my baby daddy? Or just any of them. It's like... And I don't care, but like... It was a nice night. Seeing someone pick up their phone just to even get like their... See their name, be like, oh, they're going to call my name now. Nope. And then, I don't know. And then there were some very... award.

except in speeches that I didn't love, which I won't mention specific ones. But just in that moment, I was... I wasn't feeling it. The other thing that had happened to is they had, if fully disclosed, they had just given Michael Ewan the lifetime achievement award or the hall of fame award posthumously. He just died this year. And, uh, That sucked.

It's weird. My dad died this year, too. Sorry. Let's slip that in as well. It's like, this porn person who I really love... Also, dad. Dad's dead, too. Well, I'm dad. That's a biggie. Let's talk about it. But, you know, it was really hard with Michael Ewan because... he kind of was a little bit of a porn father for me. Like, I have my own version of who I am. And

There are moments when people herald it like yourself. And there are other times you meet people like Ryan Landers and you feel so comfortable in the fact that you're a little bit off the fray. And then you have those other times where they're like, all right, we're pulling all the real models to the side and we're going to...

uh fetish models can you come over here and it's just like that divide sometimes happens but i remember he worked for naked sword and he was one of those people who really believed in me like he was someone who really pushed my career was really generous with me as a mentor, was something that whenever I went to those award shows, was always there. And this year, there was an empty seat for him.

And it's always in the, it's in the balcony with the other chucklehead, Roma, Shishi LaRue and Ethylene. And I sat in his seat this year. Yeah. Wow. Was it just like realization? It felt good because it was like the continuation of things, but it felt really sad that I was the one in his seat. So I missed it. Just like tack all that onto like dad stuff now. So tell me a little bit, because I know we spoke.

after a scene the other day about you losing your dad, what was that? It was hard. It was hard. I won't lie. Um, I don't know that he was a huge fan of my porn career. And I've kind of always kept my porn life separate from my family.

as a as a get out just in case like you know what i mean like they my mother had run into legal issues at a place she had worked because someone tried to like uh extort money from her school because her son's a porn actor and so i had always i liked keeping it separate Joel the porn star isn't one of those people who's kind of constantly like buzzing around your careers and stuff and stuff. it was just really hard you know it's i've been in this industry long enough to where

I've never been jaded. I love this job. You saw me just turn out three scenes in two days that I was just like, I love it. I absolutely love it. But it, it did kind of add like a little bit of, um, hum in the background that just made it a little harder. Like when stuff isn't as easy, it's really not easy. And I had a little bit of the case of the fuck it.

Which is the other reason I can't be that mad about the avian awards is this year was a little bit of my Joel. Someone had a case of the fuck. Well, I kind of feel like even Joel. Someone has to stop. Especially, you know, you weren't, you didn't have a very close relationship with your dad by the end of it, or did you? No, not really. All right. But you still, it's still your dad. Yeah, totally. Totally. It's mostly just shock.

it's just kind of like it's just shock and digesting it's been hard you know what i mean it's like Yeah. It just, all of a sudden I think about it every day. Like every day I think about it and I'm like, oh shit. It's like in the back of my head. I was like, bleh. Sorry, not to seem so flippant on it. That's really the only way I can digest it is just like... Make a dead dad joke or something. None came to mind, sadly. Well, it's all right. Let's talk a little bit about L.A.

Let's talk a little bit about, we're in New York right now. So you thinking about going by Coastal or? So me and Marco Napoli are still like Bert and Ernie. Like, even though we're not dating, we're still like besties. It's so weird. And it's funny, his, sorry, Mark, I'm going to let you, his out too. His dad died this summer too. So it was like both of our fathers died and it was incredible to have someone there for it that like.

It was great. I'm sorry. I don't mean to say it was great, but it was just like... it was nice to have someone who completely understood. And just like, I always flew to his side, he flew to my side, me, him, and King Dwarf all went to New Mexico as a funeral gang. And yeah. It really did seal a lot of the people in my life.

but the people who it made, it made some of the connections I had a lot stronger. And these are people who are my brothers. Like, you know, these are industry. These are my, all my, the house of someone is all industry folk. What was that scene like in New Mexico? You know, it's... Do people know? When you go back to New Mexico... New Mexico's so... Polite. They're one of those places where they all know. Even if they know, okay. You all know. Let's be clear. You all know.

Y'all know. They've watched. Did you watch? They subscribed. You've stumbled upon it. Someone's told you. Someone's like, is that? Is that? John? Is that the guy who used to work at Michael Kors? Is this him? I don't know. I have a friend who likes this kind of stuff. I'm sure you've watched. I know you've watched. No, it's funny. And I go full guns blazing. I act like I'm fucking Mae West when I go back to New Mexico.

all my profile photos up where it's like, yeah, like in my, on my greater profile, it's like porn actor, shameless, utterly shameless. I'm sorry. I have to prime the pump with my celebrity. When people run up to me on the street and they're like, oh my God, are you Joel someone? It's because they saw my grinder post.

And I had to remind them. It's not because they saw me and they were excited. I primed the pump. I primed the pump. So if anybody's walking around with me and all of a sudden I have people be like, oh my God, I love your work. I probably don't. So you and Marco are thinking about... Oh, that's right. New York. Sorry. Thank you for keeping... No problem. I know all the candy you fed me on this porno set.

has thrown me. I am just full of energy and distraction. It is Champ Robinson's fault. And I'll name drop him for that. Marco, when me and Marco first started dating, I was living in New York and he had kind of like a halfway living situation in LA. And... He kind of lived out of my apartment for a year or so while he was back and forth to Europe. And then the pandemic happened and we both moved to L.A.

And he's kind of decided that he kind of wants to dip his toe in New York. Like he wants to have his own little apartment here, even though we've been doing the Burton or anything and sleeping in one bed together for the last couple of weeks. So cute. He kind of wants to have like his own apartment in New York and it would be kind of also something I paid into. So we would kind of jump back and forth. Yeah. You know, it's, I miss me.

I miss it. I was like on the street looking at garbage today and just like, wait a second. That's a nice rug. Oh. Full disclosure. Full disclosure. I looked at it. I didn't get it. I didn't get it. But that was a nice rug on the street. All right. I will say. All right. I know you're all saying, ew. You didn't see the rug. I did see your post. And I will put up a screen. Just because I was like, what is he doing?

That was a hand-woven Pakistani rug. Yeah. That rug probably cost like $7,000. No, and they were just going to get rid of it, right? And they did. They did. They literally loaded it right into a garbage truck right in front of me. There was like a... There was like nine of them and they were all different. And I come from an antiquing background. I come from a background where I used to be a vintage reseller. And so...

I go down to Soho and I see how much hand tied. Sorry. Sorry. Side note. Yes. Me and Marco Napoli are moving to New York and I'm clearly a neurotic person who picks up garbage off the street. But you already layered those carpets on your floor. You know, some people do that. They layer.

You know, who is the real driver is my mother. My mother was, and this is, and it was funny. I told another porn actor this. I'm like, Hey dude, I, cause I was meeting him to work out at the gym. I was going to meet Dan Dennington at the gym. And I'm like, dude, I'm going to be late. And he's like, why? I'm like,

I found some rugs on the street. And he's like, ew. I'm like, no, you don't know. And then I gave him the whole spiel. I'm like, I know one of them's from Pakistan, and this one does look like it's from Iraq. And it's like, they're a big fucking deal anyway. And so I called my mother and she got me all hyped up to me. She's like,

I tried to get a hold of Uncle Tommy or Cousin Rocco. They can't come in from Jersey. They're in South Jersey right now with the tow trucks. They can't come and get it. Like it was a whole Jersey extravaganza. i tried and and it was like yeah no i was i was on the freezing street for like 30 minutes like trying to get call a fucking truck

Why didn't you try a U-Haul? TaskRabbit? Well, a U-Haul you have to go get. Oh, and by the time you... And I was guarding the rugs. They were telling me they were... It was... Wow, I can't believe I went in on the story on the rugs. It was... The gay people who had just taken them out of the restaurant that they were in, because they were still in great condition.

I had thrown them on the street and they were like, you better hurry up and get these out of here, kid. They're going to load these up on the dump truck now. We're doing this now. And so I had rolled them up and they were huge. One was like, I think, 15 by 10 feet. Even if it wasn't. An original rug, that would still, each one of those would be like... Yeah, garbage versions of that. Fucking garbage versions of that is expensive. Anyway, let's stop talking about the rug.

I'm sorry. I didn't cry about my dad, but I might cry about the rug today. Okay. So, so one of the things I wanted to talk to you about because of the fact that you have the distinct pleasure of being you and champ. And I think I can't remember. I think it's just you and champ. Okay. But you guys have been on every single season of the podcast. Really? Yeah. And I am going to. Find comments. Nasty comments? Well, I mean, we can find nasty comments. We can find...

Good comments. Are you doing opposition research on me or something? Are you trying to find nasty things in my history or something? Like, what are you talking about? No, not at all. What I'm trying to do is kind of like what I did with Sean Duran. There were some comments, you know, I just want to see, there's a lot of really, really good comments, but there's some that...

I don't know. Curious to see how you feel. Would you be game? Yeah. Okay. Okay. I love nasty comments. I love them. What's the nastiest comment you've ever read outside of anything I might read to you now? That one where it was like Joel, someone's everywhere. But what was another one? It's funny when I do a lot of the trans porn, Their fans are really interesting. They like calling me a faggot, which is funny. Like on those ones, you're probably going to have to sense that.

yeah yeah but that's one that's i've not been called that in a long time and it's interesting to be like watching a video and then like scrolling through them and it's like I don't know. Ava Paradise is so beautiful, and she is such a stunning woman. And it's such a pleasure to watch her with her girly stick.

But when she fucks Joel someone, you truly see that he is a. it's like he's the way he wears that tank top is so gay and the way he arches his lower back and can we talk about his girly moaning like goes on and it's interesting and it's like Yeah, detailed. That person watched that video from start to finish. And it goes on for like another paragraph. So that was interesting.

okay i'm like i don't think about you that much so yeah you're right you're absolutely right well gee that's interesting because you get that from trans fans yes And your gay fans rip you a new asshole every single time you're in a trance scene. They call you a fake gay. They call you an ex-gay. And we've...

We've done this before. We've spoken about this. All right. So here's a nice one from six months ago. I purchased a video featuring Joel someone and he is awesome in all caps. Thank you. All right. That's always nice. You can tell when an actor truly enjoys his work, and I appreciate actors that do that. Actors that simply go through the motions to get the money shot are boring, and you can tell that's the only reason they're doing it.

Art is so hard. Oh, somebody just quoted you. That was interesting. Okay, so that's from the first season. Okay, I was expecting that to take a turn because that's the other thing I've noticed sometimes about nasty comments. is they have like a misdirect to get you to read it where it's like...

Joel, someone is so talented and I really love him. But recently, recently a cloud has gone over him or something. I'm reading these cold too. I'm blind, by the way. The first time I saw Joel in the scene, I was a little cold from him. The more I watched him and seeing and hearing him in this series, I've come to think of him as one of the hottest performers I've come across. I tracked down his first bi scene after he mentioned it on DGP, and I'm incredibly impressed by him now. It's like...

He likes with people before filming with them. Knowing someone a little bit makes the experience more intense and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing with us, Joel. Oh, it's the reference they're making is I lost my virginity to a girl. My first spicy. I do that with hookups. Like on the rare occasion, I'm in the mood to just get like fucked. Like on the rare occasion, I just want someone to stick their dick in me.

I like consent in love language. I'm like, just, you know, I consent in love language. So I know we're just doing like a quickie and you're going to pour your seed in my guts or whatever, but I might say I love you. So don't be weirded out by it. Okay. Ooh, come through. Do you ever interview someone who is actually gay?

If Joel someone is actually gay, like he says in this interview, then why is he in previous interviews state he's bisexual? Why does he list himself as bisexual on Rentman? Clearly, Joel can't tell the difference between gay and bisexual. It goes on more towards you though. Gay for pay, dot, dot, dot, money. He's very good at gay acting. You were here when, just so you know, you've all heard me go off on like antique rugs for about five minutes.

Tell me the heterosexual who does that first. Sorry. I got the receipts, Diane. Been following him since... amazing video he did. So there's lots of... You're struggling. I thought you were going to look ahead of time for nasty comments because you do actually have to hunt them down. I was. I was. I really did want to. I...

Remember, I did have to recast a little bit. I forgot about that. No, I know, but I figured, you know, there's a couple of, okay, so here, Joel, someone has successfully been converted to heterosexuality. Big fan of Joel. Someone stumbled across this interview. Now a bigger fan of Joel and this podcast. Great job, guys. You both honor the craft. You know, it's honestly, and I tell this to everyone in porn.

That's what you're going to find most of. You're going to get lots and lots and lots of praise. You really do have to hunt down these nasty comments. Yeah. You know what I mean? They're in there. They're in there. And they're so... Glib. Yeah. You don't know me. You don't know me. Try. Come for me. I dare you. You know what I mean? Like, it's like, you don't know me. Like, they're so topical.

And like, I'm sure they didn't even watch the episode. They just saw something that like annoyed them. The preview or... Why do people hate Shondaran more than me? You could tell. Not fair. Shondaran. Jesus Christ. Why is there someone referring to himself as gay man when he has sex with women? That's as recent as three weeks ago. So that's basically somebody. It's hard. I've kind of upgraded to my little status to more like pan.

Because I really, I don't know. You know what I mean? I can never tell what the fuck I'm in the mood for. I enjoy the company of Ben. We've had this discussion before where I like having a boyfriend. And I like having a kind of relationship with a man. Whatever. You know what I mean? Like that's why I have Marco around. That's why Kingdorf is my boy. Excuse me.

Hot, right? Someone said, Joel, someone seems to be the Pied Piper of pornography. I do convert people to doing it. And? Because, okay, all right, what I've started doing... And I did this all in England and it's super sketchy, but I love doing it. is I love getting people off Grindr to do camera work. Oh, okay. If you reach out to me on Grindr and say, I'm your fan.

there's a really good chance I'll be like, are you busy? What are you doing? You want to watch us have sex? You know what? Because honestly, before I did all of this, that would have been like my dream scenario. And not to say your job, not to dismiss... Don't worry. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to hold the rig for an OnlyFans shoot.

It's going to be infinitely better than if one of us idiots is trying to like tilt it on like a radiator. Or put it somewhere. Yes. You know what I mean? You're absolutely right. Even like the most garbage footage.

is still better than a lot of the like steady camera stuff that I see sometimes. And especially for myself. The other thing too is I'm like Cutler X. I'll just tell you to do something like i'll break i don't care i'll break the fourth wall i'm like hey camera can you do a panning i'm butt fucking someone and i'm like hey can you do i did that on the film just now i was like hey tell me his eyes are open cameraman

Tell him to keep his eyes open while I throw a fuck out. Meanwhile, the whole time I'm like, are they going to kill him? I know. Wasn't that great? No, yeah. That was gag the fag like there's no tomorrow. Oh my God, right? I came across those videos by accident. 2002, 2003. I don't even know how long ago, but I remember... That was the first time I have ever seen somebody throw up.

While getting like face fucked. And I remember thinking to myself, wow, people are really into this. I don't, I was. so into those i fucking loved those videos those were one of those videos i remember like laying on my ex-boyfriend's bed with my leg dull laptop I'm making a masturbating question. He would be a good person to look up and...

Oh, I've talked to him. He's very interesting. Oh my God. Put me in touch with him. He's a real interesting dude. Where is he based out of? He was based out of Palm Springs. I think he's either in San Francisco or Palm Springs now. Yeah, I know. Look him up. I'll try to reach out to him because I begged to be on that fucking...

Well, it's a series that doesn't work as well nowadays. Yes, for many reasons. It was also a little bit more of the humiliation than I personally like to do now in my life. like now when i actually think about because they they used to write in the copy it was a little diminishing like i remember the copy would be like Eddie decided that he wanted to make a Make some money instead of working at McDonald's because Eddie's a McDonald's worker, except today he's going to choke on some cock.

Or just like, even more, there was kind of a negative tilt in the sense that the bottom was lesser than because he... choking to death on penis a joel is so funny he's like the robin williams of porn you know what some really really snarky gays okay said something that was very funny to me but they said i'm more like the william h macy of porn okay they're like your career is more like william h macy and i was like

Okay. It had to take me a second. I'm like, they're Fargo. What else did that motherfucker do? Hey, this is great. He's great. He's kind of like we said before. I don't like the skyrocket careers because there's only... There's only one way to go after that. I'm sorry. Maybe I do want to be a Heath Ledger of porn. Give me a break. Philip Seymour Hoffman of porn. Yes, the consistency.

I mean, those people are. Rob Williams died too. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? William H. Macy's still alive. Yeah. Well, thank you. And shameless. So this is a good, look at this. The greatest gift to American culture is Joel someone getting gagged by Julian Torres.

we just talked about that we just talked about because i i always with the suck scenes i always try i'm like if there's not a butthole involved i really need to go all out go ham like go ham and what did you do i held my eye open and he ejaculated into it That was the funniest thing in the world. I remember when we watched it, you were like... I also remember afterwards, you were like, did you get the shot? Yeah, I got it.

But your eyes started getting red almost immediately. All right. I'm sorry. If you've lived long enough, someone's ejaculated in your eye. It's not that weird. You know how it feels. That's not even the 10th time I've had cum in my eye, okay? I could deal. The trick is vising and like flood it. Flood it with vising. Get all the gist out. Don't wipe it. Flood it with vising.

um i used to see that in straight porn more like straight porn does some raunchy things to those girls like that's like a like you know what i mean like i feel like that's normal I feel like, yeah, like, like me, that's what I mean is like doing something like that. I had already seen in like a straight porno. And I enjoy that. I enjoy that. You watch the straight stuff and try to put that kind of stuff. I would love.

I would love to shoot facials more often than not. It's always this, you got to shoot on the ass. You got to shoot in. If you're doing the suck scene, you shoot in the mouth. I get that. Facials are fun. Sometimes somebody wants to get a little cum on their face and there's nothing wrong. Well, and what was great with Devin was like, since we were one of the reasons I love the hard gag stuff.

is his leg... I shoved it all the way down his throat. And he... gagged on it oh there was no fiction to this and it poured down and it just glazed yeah glazed his face and his eyes were like glazed shut yeah and i just pulled him up by the hair and it's just like oh no his eyes were open the whole time so gorgeous. It was something else. People are either going to insanely love that

Or not like it. It's the weirdest thing. But then again, it's Treasure Island, so I think they'll fucking love it. You know, the people who complain, and I'm sorry, I don't mean, I'm trolls. I'm talking to you. I know this is your creative outlet. And I get that. Email me. Email me at joelson at yahoo.com. I'll send you a free porno. Anybody, if you've gotten to this point, you've heard me cry about my dad and fucking rugs.

And claiming I'm not gay, this is the Easter egg. This is the classic Joel Someone Easter egg to show that you've watched enough of this bullshit of me. All right? So ask for the Easter egg. JoelSomeone at Yahoo.com. Thank you, trolls. So Joel, someone, I don't think that you are... as despised on the podcast as... I'm really not. I'm sorry. No, it's all right. There's nothing wrong with that. I just feel bad for Sean Duran. The poor guy. Well, Sean Duran's... Okay, Sean... Okay.

You know who gets a lot of what Sean Duran gets is Marco. Is he quiet? And people don't realize a lot of these dudes who are like really, really hot and then have kind of like that stone look. Yeah. You know what I mean? And back in the day when they were goofy looking, nobody gave a shit.

But now that they've had like a glow up and they're hot, they're like, you're a mean gay. Like, what the fuck's your problem? Like, you know what I mean? Just because I'm one of those people who can't stop talking. And I keep a smile on to, like, relax people because I have, like, sad resting deli owner eyes that make people uncomfortable. I do. Everyone in my family has, like, are stone-faced Italians. That's so specific, the deli owner.

Yeah. You're Italian. Yeah, very Italian. How did Italians end up in New Mexico? jumping on the southwest forever it's funny i was i was i went to an exhibit about uh in santa fe new mexico that talked about kind of like the settling of the West. It was a bunch of Italians who were like opening up shops and stuff like that. That's what my dad did. My dad was an ER and a helicopter paramedic and they opened a hospital and they needed...

Come on out there. You know what I mean? It was, it was the land of opportunity. It's like you, New Mexico is cool. New Mexico is cool. I miss New Mexico. I do. I've been there twice now. And, um, Santa Fe, um, Taos. Where's that place? The oldest house in the... Oh, yeah. That's out there. The oldest house in America, I think. The Living Pueblo. The Earthships. The Zobra. Balloon Fiesta.

The fucking Carlsbad Caverns, White Sands. I used to be a Kilimanjaro safari driver for Disney, so you can tell I'm giving you the, just so you know, on your right. I would like to go where they did... wild hogs see that fucking tim allen movie that was filmed out there oh i haven't seen that i know of it but just kidding so this one's really nice and it's from four years ago and it's from the first episode that we did together And it's from Honey LeBronx, and she says,

Okay, the last three to five minutes, I definitely got teary-eyed from some of Joel's comments. It's so affirming to hear some validation or someone validate that there is something gay porn has given me beyond just sex. That's really sweet. Once again, I'm really sorry, Sean Duran.

you listen when i get when i get a couple of bad ones come in oh my god please add them on at the end i'll call you and i'll say yeah i'm not tearing up from i'm not tearing up it's just that it's there's these lights they're they're really hard on my eyes thank you honey lebron You know, it's hard. And this is the part you might end up having to cut is we don't teach sex ed in school very much. They do a little for straight people, zero for gay people. We are like gay people.

We desire to be with others. You know what I mean? We desire to find our tribes. We desire to feel, to belong. And it's what makes us stronger. Porn is an outlet of our sexuality. Good, bad, ugly. It's the blueprint for the way we have intimacy with one another, sadly. And so, sad to think that young people watch porn because like... That's sadly the truth. It's sadly the truth that that's the only place that they're able to see sexuality. And I honestly am proud of what I do.

What I do, if the version of me when I was younger found it, might not have learned as many toxic traits. You know what I mean? I might be a little more fraternal. Like I wouldn't have had to kind of learn all of these things and go through all of these lessons as hard. I wouldn't, I maybe wouldn't have struggled with such low self-esteem for so long. You know what I mean? Like. This job every day is surreal. It's surreal. It's gotten bigger every year. Every year I've seen you.

i'm more and more blessed there's more opportunities i have made a living i'm successful i'm really lucky like i i have the best fans like you know what i mean i i It's hard because I've talked to you about kind of sometimes feeling like an outsider. And it's like... People appreciate that. They appreciate, I've appreciated being an outsider now. So I'm like, I'm okay with my outsider. And I know this now because of.

watching a lot of porn from the, not even, gay erotic films from the 70s. I haven't gotten into the 80s yet, but once the star system started being what it is today, that's what created. this factory of of pornography let's say you if you watch movies from the 70s you you would have fit in perfectly because yeah the money's great but you enjoy what you're doing

And you can see that on film. If you don't... I just did a shoot not too long ago, and I can tell that the person was just doing it for the money. That's all fine and stuff. I get it. But when you can see that this person's having a good time and doesn't matter how long they're there, they want to get the best shots. They want to do this. That's really, really cool. And you are kind of that person. I like being that person who comes with ideas, but that doesn't step on a director.

Because there are those two. There are those who are directing the whole thing. And I'm not that. I'm not that. I'm not the person who's going to stop the set. For like little details that don't matter. But like when I was telling you about the gangbang, I'm like, I want this. I think I'm going to go out of the way and get costumes. I know you'd be on board. I know you'd be like, fuck yes. I love that idea. Spice it up or spruce it up is always welcome. So don't worry about it.

I also know my limit. Like when I work with the buy stuff, like I will put in my two cents, but there's already three straight dudes bickering about nonsense. So it's like... not jumping in on in that you know what i mean those are the days when you just kind of like let it ride because they're already dealing with like you know how her pussy hair is parted or something like that and like It's funny, I catch a lot. I'm sneaky. Because I have those Ray-Ban stories glasses, which I love those.

I catch so much behind-the-scenes shit. I'm thinking about getting a pair of those now. You should. They're so sketchy. The footage is garbage. They're garbage. But every once in a while, you'll catch, like, gold.

Or catch someone off guard saying some random bullshit. Which, yeah, you know, whatever. But they're great for those moments on set where you're just like... what the fuck's going on like you know what i mean like i caught all the boys arguing about under because they were doing the underneath the table shot of a trans girl putting her foot in my crotch and like jerking off my foot with her crotch and stuff like that

And just to hear them like, I have it on camera. It makes me laugh. And it's not like I'm keeping this. I posted on Twitter. They love it because, you know, they were there. Like, you know what I mean? I caught it. And so it's just like. that was always my dream. Like it's, it's one of those things that like, I don't mind giving more of myself out there because I remember, I know that that's what makes people enjoy it is it makes it human. I think it makes it less cold.

It makes it feel like something you could do. Like I, I get people all the time asking me, how do I, how do I start porn? And it's like, I used to say, I'm like, do this, this and this. And it's like, I just tell people, you know what? Apply. Start applying places. Start taking... Put up dirty pictures of yourself on Twitter. That's the first step. If you want to be a porn star... The first step is start being a thirst trap.

Like, I've talked to Jason Mark. Jason Mark, who I work with in Palm Springs. And he's like... you like and he said this to me actually he's like you know you're not really like thirsty enough on your like instagram and stuff and i was like oh okay like it needs he's like i want someone who's like showing off their body like he's like those are the people we hire

Those are the people we hired, the ones that are like flexing and doing gym selfies and are like, look at me, I'm beautiful. And I'm like, okay. Great. You know what I mean? So I tell new people, I'm like, start making a... If porn producers see that you have a thirsty Instagram, they're gonna be like, this guy wants to show off. Let's get him naked on camera.

First step, easy. It's a confidence thing. I never had the confidence to do that. It took years for me to have the confidence to like stand up and pull my shirt up and be like, look at me, I'm sexy. And once you do it, you've done it. It's done. What's next? What's next for Joel Simon? Oh my god. Hey. Um... this is like seven up you know that documentary series from from britain where they would interview it started in like the 50s or 60s and they interview the same group of people

I think there's like 12 of them and there's seven in the first one and then 14 in the next one and then 21 and it kind of captures their lives as it keeps going. Granted, this is... It's four years, but still like from 2019 to now. What's next? What do you, what do you see 2025, 2024 and beyond until the next time I see you? You know, I'm getting out of the buckets. I'm getting out of the kind of hiding phase. I'm definitely... I'm definitely trying harder with like my OnlyFans.

And I love doing studio. I will always love doing studio. It's my favorite part of porn. Like that's what I said. It's like, it's beautiful. It's the Hollywood of porn. But I've really been enjoying the idea of creating my own content. And I just created actually a really, really funny porno with Otter Gunnar.

in portland or in seattle when i was out there i went out to seattle and i met this performer named otter gruner and we just did a regular like fuck scene but there was like funny parts about it and i didn't realize it and then there's this guy in la Who has like a 13-inch penis who I like having sex with he's not a porn actor, but he's just like a dick I like to go sit on and And thank. Like, literally, I'm just sitting on his penis. Thank you so much. Like, whatever. Side note.

But to get to this penis, he made me watch the worst TV ever. He made me watch one of those paranormal documentary shows where it's all like talking heads and bullshit like that, where it's like. Satanist priest Eddie Redmayne is telling you about like, no, no, no, no. And he has like, there's a terrible clip.

That shows nothing. Like a reenactment? No, no. There's like a clip that shows like a tetherball getting thrown across a man. And then he pops up and he's like, clearly it shows that the paranormal have crossed into the realm. And just like...

Some asshole. Who the fuck are you, Eddie? Like, you know what I mean? And I remember sitting thinking, I'm like, God, I want this guy's dick so bad. I want it so bad. I'm sitting watching this bullshit show. And so. He made you work for it. He made me work for it. It was very much worth it. When I got home, I realized that Otter Gooner is an incredible editor, an incredible editor. And so him and his friend created... Joel, someone's haunted holes.

our own paranormal documentary version where there's funny he makes funny noises we have little like cutaways of like interviewing us it's like me talking about how i've known it was very fun and then we had him up Jonah Wheeler put on the priest thing. Oh my God. And he spoke as a satanic priest. And just cause like, you know what I mean? Like it was, I love shit. I would love to do something. I'll send, I'll send it to you. Oh, Jonah.

I'm glad Jonah got brought up. Fucking love that boy. He is my spot. Good kid. He went to the AVN awards with me and I barely saw him. He is such a good like partner in crime. Like him and I were both like wonder twins and then split apart. Like truly like he's one of those people who's just so chill. He's not needy whatsoever It was like we barely saw each other over two days and then like

There's this new performer named Camden Dean, who's got like a nine inch penis, of course. And I just invited him over to have sex with Walt Jones there. I was like, hey, Camden's going to pound me out. Do you want to suck on his dick a little bit too? And he's like, yeah. And it just...

I love that. I love that. That's why I love finding rando dudes off grinder to hold cameras. And I, I love, I love the weird. I love the kooky. I love the unexpected because I know how much I loved that when I would watch porn. So that's kind of my future. I'm trying really hard to make more of these things that have more thought than just me hiring a camera guy and filming, which is already a lot of work.

But I am trying to like, I am trying to like, I did a suit shoot with NYC where I had us all wear suits. And I'm just, I'm slowly kind of getting a little more. I want there to be a little more of a running theme. Like I kind of almost want. I want Joel someone's fantasy world to create, be created. Like, you know what I mean? This, this stupid, it's, and it's, and for me, it's like,

Joel, someone's wacky world. Like that's, that's what it is to me where it's like a total gag where it's today. Today we're all wearing suits. Tomorrow we're pregnant. We Mormons. When you say that while I was watching, researching for the podcast, um, I saw this street orgy from the seventies and Everybody was just kind of wearing their own... It was basketball player, baseball player.

I was like, that would be hot. Like if people just... almost like halloween but it wasn't halloween you knew it wasn't halloween these people were wearing actual outfits from it was like a swingers party yeah it was just like we're throwing a swingers party wear a costume wear something you feel sexy in and people just you know Oh, and how crunchy were all they two? What was that stupid? Let's make a deal. What's the TV show where they all have to wear costumes in the audience?

I don't remember that. Wayne Brady is the host of it now. Whose line is it anyway? No, no, no, no, no. It's one from the 60s and 70s where you have to pick the doors. Anyway, you'll write it on the thing. Just write it in the copy. With the little gremlins? With the little... No, that's something else. That's whammies. No, that's not that. No. No whammies. No whammies. Anyway, yes.

sorry are you sure i'm not a faggot i'm sorry trolls are you sure i'm not gay i'm bringing up antique game shows yeah and all of this stuff i'm like I don't know what else I have to do. Let's go antiquing. You're just going to have to watch old movies with me. Yeah. You have to meet each and every one of these trolls. I would. That's funny. I would. You can change your name to troll someone. Troll someone. Troll someone.

But, you know, I would. If you have nasty things to say about me, I don't care. I'm not taking it personally. I'm not going to catch you outside. I don't have that in me. I don't have that in me. I don't care. If you want to say it to me first, I'll be like, okay. Well, maybe I am.

it's hard because i deal with this with other performers too where it's like i because performers look different in person and i've never understood when performers get so upset with you when you don't recognize them i'm like you're an internet person until i meet you I do with a lot of internet people. Same with the trolls and all of that stuff like that. It's like, you don't exist until I meet you. And once I do... I'll shake your hand. Lovely. But like, that's the only way I can live my life.

I'm sorry. I was talking to you and you were like... talking about how they're like, yeah, they say I talk too much and then they want me to see me naked. I'm like, wow, you've already read way more than I am willing to read sometimes. Well, funny, but it's... You're also not as well-loved as I am. I'm sorry. I am not. I agree with that. My thing is, I'm a behind-the-scenes person. And my thing is trying to make something look a certain way. And if I can't do it for a studio, I can do it for...

But you deserve this. Oh, well, I'm more comfortable doing it. I was going to say. Yeah, no, I'm absolutely more comfortable doing it. But the thing is, is I enjoy, like, I enjoy the historical biographies and all that stuff. So when people ask, oh, hey, we'd love to see you do this. And I'm like, oh, great. I'll give it a shot. And then as uncomfortable as I am, I'll give it a shot.

And then you'll have that one person. Why do you have to be in it all the time? And I'm like, but I'm not. But it's one. Yeah, I know. It's one person. Yeah. And that's what's so, and I feel for people because it's like. I'm about to hit 200,000 followers. 200,000 fucking followers? That's unbelievable to me. It's inflated. It's not real. I'm sorry.

It's not like Instagram followers. I'm sorry. No. Oh, my God. It's only like 20,000 followers in Instagram. Instagram followers. Jeez. Are hard to get. Yes, they are. But anyway, side point, side point. It's just. How can I listen to that one person when I have 200,000 people willing to subscribe to my shit? Like how many subscribers does a YouTube channel have now?

33,000. 33,000. That's 33,000. And one person. Oh, I know. One person. And my favorite part, and I'm so guilty of doing this sometimes. All the time. I take all the good ones, so I have to take the bad ones. But sometimes I'm like, does this person have any merit? I'm curious. There's little call-outs for no reason other than to, well, I know more. But I, like all of my research. Start a show.

Yeah, exactly. All my research is there. I have all my references. I deep dig and deep dive like there's no tomorrow when it comes to that. But we all can also, to be perfectly honest. Like, do you watch RuPaul's Drag Race? No. Oh, you don't? No, I stopped watching. See, this is the one who's not gay. I stopped watching. You don't watch the... Okay, but you've watched it before. I have. And I'm sure... You critique the show with your no-drag-ass knowledge.

No. You don't. You don't watch it and you don't say that limp sink sucked or that dress sucked or that wig is flat. You never. I'm going to be the worst gay person right now. I'm already sick of you. I never enjoyed drag queens. Wow. You went... Wow. Oh, my God. There were few and far between. There were slim pickings. No one will ever be RuPaul.

RuPaul's not even RuPaul anymore, but RuPaul's making money now. I remember RuPaul from KTU, from the RuPaul show on VH1, all of her albums up until like 2014. Bianca Del Rio, RuPaul. So you like a couple of them? Yeah, a handful, you know. But it's what I'm saying. I watch RuPaul's Drag Race, and I watch the show, and I critique it. We all kind of do that. There's something you fucking do that.

I chose a bad example. Thank you for not going along with my example. I'm so sorry. It's alright. It would have just been so much easier, but it's okay. You know, because I've never actually been asked that, but I see drag queens... and porn get really lumped together for some reason.

I have never put a wig on. I have never done makeup. There is zero reason I should have, I don't write critiques. I don't go online and write them, but I do critique them like Kiki with my little girlfriends and whatnot about like this and be like, oh my God. I have no idea what this person is experiencing on this television show that's been curated for me. You know what I mean? So it's like as much jest as I put towards my trolls.

That same experience goes for them. You know what I mean? I'm a hypocrite. I have critiqued others that I have no experience of. You know what I mean? Same could be said for you. These people who are critiquing your show are just like... They've got nothing else to do. It's them trying to kiki. And the other thing, too, is it's text, so it's toneless.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. These little quips. I love sending Grindr voice messages. I love doing that. I love sending Grindr voice messages. Because... There is, you can get the tone of the room. You feel what this person sounds like. The human voice is so beautiful and it's so much more than just like quick little like tech.

And you can have a little bit of nuance in your humor. You could play with people more as opposed to what you write, which might seem really cold and distant or really bitchy or really mean. You know what I mean? Cause we're, we speak of as gay people. We speak in many different kind of... Various different... Girl could be said a thousand different ways. By the way I say girl, you could tell what my Chipotle order is. right so it's it's like i i don't forget that you are reading cold text

I'm sure the person in Buffalo, Washington, New York, Buffalo, New York, Buffalo, New York. Sorry. Whatever he's doing, he thought he was like, I got you, bitch. There are some times where I'll take him and I'm like, oh, that's a very good idea. But look, anything you put out there, even with your scenes and stuff, anything you put out there, those are your babies. You're kind of, well, no pun, but those are kind of your offering stuff.

That's not clickbait. Oh, totally. That's not clickbait. That's not dumbing people down. That's not like there's, there's certain, I feel like, but you know what though? I feel like people are also a lot softer than they used to be. People don't give criticism anymore. You're right. You know what I mean? And sometimes we need it.

I'm sorry. Like, sometimes I have a stupid haircut. Thank you, Marco, for telling me it's a stupid haircut. Asshole. But still, thank you for telling me. You know what I mean? We lack criticism. And now this is the only venue for criticism. And you know what I mean?

I don't think it's all bad. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. I don't think it's all bad. I do enjoy constructive criticism a little more. I'm not going to flip out and tell people their turfs for their little quick comments. Because, first of all, if they mean them, they don't deserve air. That comment deserves to suffocate. It deserves to be the impolite comment it was that fell on the ground and nobody responded to.

Yeah. Sorry about it. I'm like, do you really believe Joel? Someone with his 200,000 Twitter followers is going to respond to your bullshit. Pass. Sorry. Who is this? Sorry, not to go all the way off on trolls and stuff like that, but you see how it affects people. That's what breaks my heart is when I meet performers who I look up to and who I'm like, wow, you've done things that really matter.

You've done things that touched me. I was not able to verbalize how what you did touched me. And here are them bitching about the fans being so mean to them. I'm like, the nine people? Those nine people. And those nine people will come back because you fed them. You gave them a little like, what's like fish food. They come bobbing up for it. That's why I imagine it's like.

There you go, trolls. No, yeah, yeah. There's a smart way to respond to them. I can... moan and bitch to you because you know we're talking about it but when kiki i also have very little patience so i apologize this is my dad energy this is my dad energy like i

It comes from a good place. That's the thing. So I can take it. Well, that's constructive criticism. No, I know. And I'm stronger than that. That's not going to take me down. But the thing is, yeah, it's like, okay, well, I would never say that to you, dickface. We digress. We digress. So we talked about death, antiques, avian.

What's going on with you? When's season five coming out? What's coming out next? Season five is coming out as soon as I finish season four. Like almost immediately. Who are you chasing? I basically do two bios, three bios and one interview. Um, and I do some movies in there from the seventies and stuff. And then I've not watched any of your history ones. History ones are fun. I would definitely, I'll, I'll send you the ones that I thought was like the joke age one.

Because I feel like Joe Gage is one of those directors that you would have loved. So what I do is I do a director. I do a movie that the director did. And then if he worked with a model a lot, I'll, I'll choose. Yeah, exactly. And so many of the guys, unfortunately, because it's in the seventies, we're not like, they didn't make it past the nineties.

Isn't it crazy? It is. So there's Joe Gage. He basically introduced the Midwest man to Gabe Horn. The Marlboro man. Yeah. So he did that. And Richard Locke, who is this guy who was... Awesome. He was like this hippie gay porn star who was building geodesic domes in the desert. I like the idea that... You are Joel someone. Your story is more out there than...

These guys started this industry and it's almost like an homage or paying respect to where you came from. Like this is one of the only careers you don't have to go to college or learn about. All that stuff. It's true. Beforehand. This is, for me, this is like a college because I'm getting to. It's a finishing school. It is a finishing school. I'm getting to see all these people that came before and made all of this possible. The people that got arrested.

not distributing across state lines that thought pornography was lewd material and would put you in jail for stuff like that. People that spent a lot of years in jail. It's amazing. I tell people all the time, it's like... The fact that we live in a culture that on television they speak about OnlyFans creators and like, you know what I mean? Just the fact that that's said on national TV, OnlyFans.

deal yeah that's a big deal for years people wouldn't even say pornography on there because you know what i mean and so it's it's fascinating and speaking of dead porn stars I saw the weird, it's just, it amazes me the weird things you find on the internet. I remember I found this one video because you know, when you're just like, you find everything. I found this video and it's, and it's hard because I've known so many people die.

It was a video of all these girls and each one of them was a girl in like some performance. It had her name, her stage name, the year she died and what she died of in like clips. And it was weird. It was this masturbation reel of like dead girl. But it was in a way that was so strange. You know what I mean? It's just weird the way people's brains work and the way that they digest sexuality. And there's something so...

Warhol and surreal and weird about when you stumble across these things that are people's masturbatory. And at the same time are just like, so. moving you get like a visceral reaction to it like people don't realize it's like it's easy to piss on porn absolutely porn is art Porn could be art. You get a visceral reaction to porn. You ejaculate. You're watching it and you are reading so deeply into it that you ejaculate. You have a specific connection. for a specific amount of time.

Depending on how many times you come back to the same clip or depending on how many times you come back to the same movie, you can go anywhere. But the thing is, is that whatever you're watching to get off on that moment has... If you are consumers of lots of porn, start a journal Try to play with your head. Because we all do this. When we're getting close to the pop shop. Write down... Write down what's the things that pop up, the things that it represents. Because I remember, like I said.

I remember when I would watch those things, the little things that brought things up to me, like the way a man touched another person's lower back. I'm like, oh my God, that's something a father would do to a son. Look at him, he's getting pounded out.

the dwarf with the fucking uh uh the the the ankle monitoring bracelet on his on his thing where it was like all of a sudden i went from like oh he's a hot dwarf i'm like oh poor guy he must be struggling with stuff like still coming write it down truly write it down because I've gone through, since I've watched so much porn, it's made me really kind of look at a lot of it objectively.

And it's helpful. Like, you know what I mean? I don't mean to seem like, oh my God, porn therapy, but if you watch enough of it, You're trying to talk to yourself. You know what I mean? You should be listening. There's a lot of people that will never understand and that's fine. But for people that do even have a healthy relationship with porn. unhealthy, whatever, whatever the case may be, there is something to be said about.

the people who have lived in the dark for so long. And, you know, there are fans out there from porn stars from the seventies and eighties. I find like to do something on this person, do something. I loved this person. It was different back then because there wasn't so much of it, but yeah, but you know, but believe it or not, but now, yes, I agree with you, but now.

It's so nuanced. It's it's it's even more pointing to like what things are in your head person behind the camera or the person that put it together. That's what you're seeing is. If they're like, I want to do a scene about this. And that's why the scripted ones from the 70s and 80s, even now, like when you look at scenarios, the scenario is so the person that wrote it.

And then you get these guys who are like, yeah, I can do that. I'm totally into that. Me? It's one of those things that I'm like... Like I made good friends with the next door studios guys, which was incredible because I never thought I would be like someone that the next door studios people even remotely gave any air to. And I was hanging out with Walden Woods and Jeremy and. They were, you know what, they've been doing really cool stuff with, uh, uh, with, um,

Fuck. Disruptive. Disruptive media. And I got to work on a really fun set and they give cool scripts. They have really interesting themes and really kind of fun, dark play with sexuality. And that's where I thrive. And so I like that. I like the say uncles. I like the carnal medias. I like these people who are creating this psychodrama kind of pornography and it's becoming a lot more prevalent. It's less like you stumbled upon like a family dick scene and you're like, Oh my God.

Am I supposed to look at Austin? Is this the dark web? It's not that anymore. You know what I mean? You meet those fans and they'll walk right up to you and they'll be like, oh my God. Amazing. How do you do this? That's awesome. That's fucking badass. Done. That's it. You've been watching Demystifying Gay Porn. I'm your host, Aike Grande.

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