Insights from the Nuxt Team Retreat

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It's your favorite Vue podcast. You just don't know it yet. Or maybe do. Maybe having a Deja Vu. And we are back for another episode here. With me is Michael Thiessen.

Hey, everyone. I am a Vue educator, if you don't know, and I do content and courses and all sorts of things like that. And with me is Alex.

Yeah. Hey. I'm Alex Lichter. I am a web engineering consultant by day, part of the Nuxt team as well, and also doing a little bit of YouTube, a little bit of streaming all around Vue, Nuxt, JavaScript, front end development, and so on so on. And, yeah, today, we want to talk about something very interesting that happened, well, a little bit ago, in France.

Yeah. So I saw this, unfold on Twitter a little bit or X, I guess. I don't know. I still call it Twitter. Old But yeah.

Yeah. So, that that all it came a little bit spontaneous, like, not like months or years of planning, of course. The people from the Nuxt team meet every now and then happened before, like in Amsterdam, for example, last year where Anthony and Daniel were here, Pooya came from Harlem, which is more or less Amsterdam, like close by, and me. So we we met and did a bit of coding, a little bit of discussion for a couple hours. Pooya and Daniel and also Anthony already went to to Bordeaux once.

Yeah. Yeah.

And, also, we were there for like, I was there for 4 days, and the others were there for 5 days. I had to leave a little bit earlier. Yeah. It it was a blast. It was nice to see everyone from the team, at once once again, except Harlan, unfortunately, but we had him in our hearts and minds, of course. So it was really nice to to hang out and, yeah, just, having a good time.

Yeah. I think I can, emphasize with Harlan a little bit. Like, I'm not on the next team, but, you know, over here in Canada, sometimes feel like I'm missing out on on some Vue events and and things because everyone's almost most people are over in Europe and all the conferences happening there and the events and just like meeting up with people is a lot easier when you don't have to take an 8 hour or 9 hour flight across a giant ocean.

That's absolutely true. Yeah. Fair point. Even though, I mean, you have Vue Toronto right around your like right around your house, basically. And VueConf US, which is still far, but, yeah, that's so at least you have 2 close by, more or less. Let's not say close by, one at least, but in in reach.

They're in the same time zone. Yeah. So that's that's really nice too.

That counts.

The jet lag is is not always the the most fun thing.

No. Oh, I agree.

So you, you were in an Airbnb hanging out. Did you I mean, I'm sure you talked about Nuxt and Yes. Did some did some things. I saw there was a cake that was made.

Yes. That's absolutely correct. So, Julien, from the team, also was here in the podcast already talking about server components. Actually, lots of people were on already and probably have some more. Daniel as well, and, the rest is, is on the list to come for sure.

Okay.

Yeah. And, yeah, he he he made that and put the log on it. And, that's that's how that story started.

Nice. I think I've had that cake before. I have a I have a friend who is from France. Is that the one where they hide

Yeah.

An almond in there and then whoever gets the piece with it

Exactly. Is the king, so to say. Yeah. Yeah. Like, finding finding the king. Yeah. So, yeah, that's that's the fun. But we didn't make a Galette du Roi. We made a like, Julien, made a cheese cake version of it.

Okay.

Like, a very, very lovely tasty cheesecake with some jam on top, and of course, nicely branded. With with the Nuxt logo. It's very important.

Yeah. I'm sure there are a lot of open source teams. Probably most open source projects is just fully distributed online. Just people chipping in. However, and like all these decisions are made asynchronous, you know, through GitHub or whatever tool you use to plan things.

Yeah. Just, like, maybe write in chat. That's also what I see every now and then. And people like, okay. I don't wanna don't wanna talk. I just put in my ideas in chat, and then you also have to take care of that and so on so on. So, yeah, it's Yeah. It's tricky. But I I like to see full remote companies also do that. Right?

Yeah. Meeting people in person and getting to know them as real people and not just as, like, their commit history is a big thing, I think. And, like this podcast is a good example of that because we met in Toronto at a conference and we were just chatting about stuff. We weren't talking about. I don't know.

Absolutely. Yeah. I remember it was like after a conference where just chatting around and yeah. Somehow it was like, we that's like maybe we talked if we talk about Erik, Erik Hanchett, in this case, shout out. Probably also will be on here very soon if we find find a time frame. It's always like, finding a good recording date across a couple of time zones is is tricky, but

Yeah.

That's, that's also another topic maybe for an episode where, like, how to make a nice podcast and the the challenges. But, yeah, I also talked about, the older other Vue Vue podcasts starting with, like, the the Vue Mastery, one about the official Vue news podcast, which I really enjoyed listening to when I was, starting with Vue.js development. And also every now and then submitted a few of my articles because there was submit function like, hey. Good content.

Yeah. And and yeah. We're trying to, in some ways, kind of replace the the in person conversations that that are hard to have because everyone's in different places and then record it so that, you know, everyone else can come along for the ride. And, yeah, it's really nice to be able to do this.

Vue.js Australia.

Have to

There we go. That would be lovely.

Yeah. And that like there are different parts of the world that that are harder for people to make it into a conference and actually see other people in person. But, I know that lots of cities have the Vue.js meetups as well, which is nice to see other people if you're not working in a company where there are other people using Vue or even, you know, if it's just you and someone else.

Or if you're freelancing.

Working with you. Yeah. Then you can actually meet up and chat with people in real life who are also using Vue. And so that's, it's a nice way to to be part of the community and to, yeah, to get connected. It's always it's always nice to to meet real people.

100%. And also, like, it's a good start if you wanna go into dip in the public speaking as well. Like, give us a talk there, have, like, a chill atmosphere, like, ask some questions or get some questions asked and answer them. It's awesome. Like, I I started doing lots of meetups and still really enjoy them, going there. It's it's like a really nice familiar feeling. Also as an attendee, you don't always have to have to give a talk actually.

Yeah.

Though often it's like, okay, if you're around and if you have something, you're like, okay, sure. We can talk about whatever. But yeah.

Yeah. Well, I'm I'm looking forward to seeing what the team produces, over the next while. I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine that, this pace that it could can be sustained, but I have faith in like it's, it's been actually pretty amazing to see what's happened, like with Nuxt 3. And once, once that rolled out and like the minor releases and all the features and the the the piece at which things are coming out. And I'm really excited to see to see what, Nuxt 4 brings and and the future of that.

Same here. Like, I mean, for Nuxt 4, luckily, breaking change wise, we are in a pretty pretty good state. Maybe if if you listen to that task force already out, then you already know what's what's happened. But so Pooya, is is rewriting, with with the help of some others of the team. I mean, he is like rewriting, h3, the router, which was ready street before.

Great. Well, I'm looking forward to that as well. I'm sure everyone else's new versions and and making things better. So it's good.

Though, obviously, like, we have some discussions around some breaking changes, which is I think it was really good. Like, I was I was reading about the famous removal of the pending Boolean. This is something which we originally planned. And eventually, in the team, like, we came to the conclusion that we said, no, we don't want to remove it in version 4. We might remove it in version 5, and we just mark it as deprecated, but update the behavior.

Yeah. And maybe there's a good, like, what's the tool?

The codemod.

The code migrations?

Like a code mod, you mean?

Yeah. Code mod. Yeah. Maybe that could be a code mod for for that. That makes it, you know, not 100 of hours, but you still have to review that those changes and make sure you didn't accidentally break things.

Yeah. That's that's true.

I get that.

Yeah. There's actually a code mod for that, developed by by Jan-Niklas Wortmann. Still, the PR is open, so hopefully, we can use it for version 5. Only has some problems with semicolons versus no semicolons in code because it that's the only thing that was troublesome. But if if we remove it, and right now this is planned for v5, as you said, but not for an x four, then the code mod might be interesting.

Right.

So, yeah, all in all, I I'm I'm a big fan of in person meetings. It's a bit sad that we can't do it more regular. Like, I think once every half a year is, like, the the smallest duration in between that we can do, like, the the smallest time spent. Mhmm. Because every couple of months, it's it's tough as in people have to take maybe vacation days or maybe we have to make it shorter, and we have to find a suitable date.

And with that, I think, we're at the end here of this episode, but if you want to listen to more of our episodes on Vue and Nuxt, you can. We've got a pretty good backlog by now. We've got an episode with Evan, and then we have another episode with Evan You. We've got episodes with Daniel and Harlan, as were mentioned in this episode and Julien and,

so many amazing guests.

Yeah. Many more. So, take a look, and we'll see you in the next one.

Exactly. Have a good time. Talk to you soon, folks.