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US Election Day, Large ETF outflows, FWOG hits $380M!

Nov 05, 202454 minSeason 4Ep. 233
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BTC ETF see largest outflows since May. BTC briefly dips below 68k, OI falls $2bn. BTC hashrate hits another ATH. MT Gox transfers $2.2bn BTC to 2 wallets. Crypto prediction markets favour Trump 63%. Major crypto firms launch stablecoin network. Semler Scientific bought $71m BTC in Q3. First UK pension fund buys $65m BTC ETF. Michigan Pension Fund buy ETH ETFs. ETH is Amazon 2.0: 21 Shares. Deutsche Telekom pilots BTC mining scheme. Tether denies plan for blockchain. Citi, Fidelity unveil tokenized FX swaps. Bitget introduces Bitget Pay. a16z send another $23m to crypto PAC. Binance & CZ attempt to squash SEC suit.

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Yo-yo, good morning, good morning. What up, What up? GMGM Tuesday, Stupid Tuesday baby November 5th, 2024 Four, four. Look at that. Another beautiful day to have. A beautiful. Day I got my Co host in the house, Tyler Mando. Logan good morning. Good morning. What up how you guys doing today big day? Huge. Huge. Big day in Portugal and Canada today, you know. About that this morning. Just it's so hilarious, all these Europeans acting like it's the biggest thing to ever happen to them.

Are they like, in the streets of Lisboa? Like, is this like, talk of town right now? Like, are they talking about Kamala Harris and Donald Trump? No man, no, no. The Sporting Lisbon manager just went to Man United. That is probably the number one topic in I. Saw that? Yeah, yeah. It's been like a period of mourning for a lot of people here in. They don't really concern themselves with global politics, like at all. They. Don't care about anything over there.

I love it. There was riots actually, though there were riots randomly on that last week for like a a day or two in Lisbon. But yeah, generally pretty chilled out place. Yeah, I saw that the day after I left. Actually, I saw that on on on my feed. But anyway, Tyler Logan, I mean, dude, my Americans and the show, I mean, how you guys doing this this this is a big day to be American citizen. It's a big day for the PUPS migration, all the PUPS holders in America. Yeah.

Migrate off, Solana. Get out and migrate. Yeah. And this election's happening as well. So it's a, it is a big day. You can feel it. There's a lot of tension. I feel like there's a lot of tension. A lot of people are on edge, a lot of anxiety. Yeah, anxiety. That's the word that I would use too, if it feels anxious, especially as a Pennsylvania resident, you know, my vote has never mattered more than it would be right now, so. That's actually like something

crazy to think about, right? So you're, you're in Pennsylvania right now? Yeah, Yep, I'm back home. I just traveled back this morning to my childhood home, small rural town Pennsylvania. I'm. I'm deep in Trump country as far as demographic goes, but we'll see what happens. I mean, this is going to be, we'll check in all the markets. This is going to be the most consequential state it seems like. Wow, that is big. That is a big one, but we'll talk about that and we'll get into it.

I've actually been to rural Pennsylvania once or twice in Westchester. That's. Not really rural. But that's not rural. I mean it felt like butt fuck nowhere when I was there, let me tell you that. I'll I'll count it, but I I live on like a dirt Rd. like farm. OK, OK. OK that's like that's not rude. Like trailer park type shit. I love that. Wow, the the energy must be vibrant over there. You should take us out there. Talk to a few to the to to to a few of these of these lads.

Anyway, today on the show today today market report as usual. I mean, wow, big open for Bitcoin on the on the US open. Love to say we had 70K. I'm sure we'll have a lot to talk about on that front. Tyler's top 1000. I mean, at this stage, I think it's going to be top one. It's going to be the election stuff around it is what definitely feels like. And then and then we brought Logan on today. He's in the swing state. It is Election Day after all. So let's let's chat about what

happens. So let's cast some final some final calls here on the record and see what's good. Robot spin. Today's winner is early predetermined because we rugged them last week. I mean, the tech rugged them and then we rugged them and then found out that it was actually a very, very long time listener of ours and big fan of rug radio. So, so felt unfair. So I was renounced last week. We're going to get ash on the

show and spin for her. I'm actually doing the the load box as we spent crafting because I forgot. And the last but not least, this show is powered by Galaxies. With seamless built in monetization tools, Galaxies enables development of sustainable long term communities, fulfilling Bitcoin's vision of decentralized freedom and independence from centralized control. But anyways, Mando, let's talk about this pump, who is the main macro daddy of the land? Can you dig it? GM, everyone.

So we are here, finally. We are. The pups migration day is upon us. So guys, if you have any pups on Solana, just make sure you migrate over to Bitcoin or it's going to burn. You're going to see a lot about this on the timeline. A lot of political commentators mentioning it at the moment. Just do not miss it. Get out there and vote. And by that vote we mean is migrate your pups to Bitcoin. OK, now we got that in the rearview mirror.

It does feel as though there's been some stuff going on in the market. There is an election happening in the US today. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's concurrent with the pups migration and we've seen a bit of a bounce. We had a hit as low as 66 Ki think yesterday on Bitcoin or or in the high 60s in a bit of a a nasty Wick. We've now bounced back up to 70 K Interestingly, the odds market is starting to show Trump.

Well, it started to show Trump pull away from about last night and then you saw this bounce in Bitcoin kind of corresponding to that. The correlation between the two does seem to be remarkably, remarkably high, even though I think as we said yesterday, Bitcoin's probably the the most immune thing here to what happens in the election. I think it probably there's a case for it going up in all scenarios. Yeah, so and then we've also seen a bit of a bounce in some of the more.

I mean, yesterday was a bloodbath. Actually. It's been a kind of a bloodbath for memes for the last week or so. Like, no, that's great. But from fog, you really did feel like the August kind of shake out for a lot of the high beta stuff, which kind of makes sense. You know, again, I put out a meme yesterday which got a lot of traction, which was just like, if you're holding memes over the election, it's been a bit shaky. And I think people were just like, you know what, sell now,

buy later. But on the day of the election, I think people are ready to gamble a little bit again and see what happens. So we've had a bounce across the board. A lot of your favorite memes are kind of retracing. There were big moves lower. You know, Popcap kind of went back close to like a billion. Whiff went under 2. GOAT went back under 500 million. I'm trying to think what other big ones have been active recently. Moodang went all the way down to like 1:20 and then it's bounced.

Wow. Big, big moves in some of the most active meme coins over the last week or so. I. Mean Retardio went all the way down to $90 million before bouncing to 1 again. Not not again, but like recently. Like it was just a few days ago, right? I guess I'm talking about the most. Oh yeah, yeah. Like the ones that have been trading the most. Obviously all memes are bouncing. Interestingly, DOGE as well. Like DOGE put on about 3 to 4 billion of market cap over the

last two trading sessions. Big, big moves. Obviously that is a big election trade now because Elon, the DOGE position. I did buy a little bit yesterday when it's starting to pick up some momentum, but it's been on a good run actually. Doge is quietly going back up to its highs of the year. Starting to look at like AI, think a lot of people look at that and be like, Oh yeah, I'll buy Doge. I mean, I feel like that's the obvious like Bitcoin beta if Trump wins, right?

Because of the department of something Department of GE like what is it? Governmental efficiency. Yeah, yeah. There you go. So people buying that, which is kind of dragged up a lot of the other mean coins as well, at least some of the larger cap stuff. Interestingly, like Bitcoin is Bitcoin dominance is still really strong. So I thought it would start to AIRB a little bit today, but ETH has failed to keep up with Bitcoin again. So Bitcoin dominance is is still around 61% nearly.

I still think that will drop if Trump gets in. I don't know if that would be like a persistent drop, but I do think people will will will view this as potentially like an

altcoin trade here. If there's ever going to be an altcoin trade, it's now, you know, like I don't know if there's another pitch for when that is going to happen, but it does feel as though if there's ever going to be one, it's going to be with some bullishness around the idea that that you could see crypto policy coming in the US.

In terms of what I remember from trading these past elections, and this is kind of before prediction markets were like big used to really look at these on like Betfair in the UK used to be a big exchange that you see the majority of the volume on. But generally on the up up until the day, it would be very skewed on the day. I'd really stop paying attention to the trend because what ends up happening is a lot of hedge

funds. They will pay for private exit polls, particularly in the swing states. Yeah, that's a better data than us, right? Right. So like what I would look for and on the state level, I would look at this for. So like really look at what's looking at the odds like in Pennsylvania, in Nevada, in North Carolina.

And if you start to see a trend there, I would probably indicate that there's private data coming out because as the day goes on, they'll be running private, private exit polls all day, like the national one. Actually, I think is, is maybe not the best thing to look at. I would, I would look at it really just in like Pennsylvania and Nevada and North Carolina. And if you start to see a trend in those, then I would really, because that's what they'll do them.

Like if, if I'm a hedge fund here and I'm saying who's going to win the election, I'm doing a, I'm doing polls in, in those three States and, and they'll be easier to see like the, the actual specific volume that comes in there. So yeah, I, I, I would really pay attention to that. You will start to see good data as the day goes on from those exit polls. Generally exit poll. Exit poll data is actually very good in general at at predicting the actual winner. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's

gonna be tight. I mean, Tyler, I'm curious to hear, you know, on that. Let's let's stay on that for a minute here, because obviously it's kind of topic of the day asides from the big pups migration. By the way, do not migrate your pups and let it burn. Actually, fuck this. Why are we reminding people the hell this is like this is like against my bags there, man. Though I really appreciate what you did.

It's great. But you know, I hope you forget to bring your pups y'all to bring to migrate your pups. Tyler, what do you, what do you make? What's what's the latest like boots on the ground in the States. Tyler Logan, I, I, I want to talk about this a little bit. What are what are what's the latest here? What are we hearing? Are we hearing? I can start so I can go over the modelers. So I, I posted this on X this morning. So Silver, who he's my favorite

election modeler. I think he's the best. He he put in his final model at 50% Commonwealth, 49.6% Trump. So like almost exactly a coin flip. He went on in his blog to say if he had to bet, he would bet on Kamala. He cited her recent strong polling and momentum over the last week. The Economist has it 5643 for for Kamala and then 538. Model basically matches silvers at this point.

That of course is quite different from what we're seeing in the prediction markets, which are heavily Trump, which which you showed. So it's, it's interesting to see the the, the difference again between the models and the betting markets. All this being said, like where I'm at today at 9:15 AM central time in Chicago is just because the modelers think it's 5050. I think it's because they they don't know there's no clear read on the polling data.

I think it's either going to be Trump, significant win or Kamala significant win. I don't think it's going to be like a 270 to 268 Electoral College. I think the polls are likely going to have been wrong pretty consistently across the board. So either Kamal's going to win all the swing states or Trump is that that's kind of where I'm at. And if I had to bet it, I would bet Kamala wins the swing states. She wins Iowa, and that's because of the seltzer pool.

And I had disclosure. I bet that I bet. I bet on Iowa at 6:00 to 1:00. Hey, you're putting your money where your mouth is. So that's that's the whole goal, right, of prediction markets. I love that. Logan, what do you, what do you, what do you make of all this? You know, it's really interesting comparing. I've just been trying to think back to my experiences in the last two elections with Trump. This is now, what, three in a

row? Basically my entire voting life, you know, I've had Trump in an election. And you know, the thing that Tyler and I have gone back and forth on a little bit is, you know, just understanding and I'm speaking purely anecdotally, not bringing in any of the data and information that Tyler just shared and what we're seeing in the markets. But it doesn't feel very loud. Trump here even like I said, and you know, it's I'm in a, I'm in

a very rural area. It doesn't feel quite as loud quite as, I don't know, rambunctious as it did previously. And so coming into this, you know, the last this morning, basically his last few days, I had actually been feeling, you know, right in line with kind of some of that Poly market movement as Kamala started to pick up steam disclosure, I made a bet on Kamala around that 38%

mark. But then you get back here, you know, I've been talking to some friends, you know, again, taking in more of this data and more of this information. And it does feel like, you know, I'm just not feeling very confident in that, that previous outlook, you know, call it recency bias, call it whatever it may be. I'm not exactly sure. But yeah, I, I'm feeling like Trump's going to take Pennsylvania. And the markets, of course, are, are steaming that like, what,

60%? I'm seeing 62% Pennsylvania. It's yeah. I mean, I, I've, I've gone back and forth, I've wavered a little bit and, and tried to rack my brain on those previous, you know, previous elections. And I just think the support has been normalized. And that's part of the reason that it's not quite as loud. That's part of what Todd and I've been talking about like is, is support for Trump normalize. And, you know, these people don't need to be quite as loud. Last election, there were Biden.

There were toilets in lawns here with Biden signs in them. You don't that's not happening. That's not that's not happening anymore, which is part of the reason that I was thinking like, OK, you know, like maybe the quiet vote, That's what people have talked about in the 2016 election, right? The quiet vote was with Trump. Maybe the quiet vote here is

with Kamala, but I don't know. I, I'm feeling, I'm feeling otherwise at at this point, 10:21 AM Eastern Time, I'm, I'm feeling like Trump's taken Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania seems to be, you know, the determining factor. Wow, I I just. Think anyone who's extremely confident in their position right now either has access to private data that none that no one else has, or they're just dumb because I got. I don't think you can be incredibly confident either side right now.

Yeah, I mean, I I think it's going to be a landslide. Just don't. I haven't said who. See, that's how you do it. That's that's that's Lydia how you do it. You know, I'm. I think that's the easy way to do it. Listen, I'm Max Short and I'm Max Long. That way, no matter what happens today, I'll win a trade. It's not about making money to me. It's about being right. And this tragedy. Give me the best chance. Those were the words of Keyboard Monkey this morning. And I agree with him.

Mendel has disappeared inside his duck. I think he's been eaten by his duck. I love that Yonder is saying I think someone is going to win. That's a great call. That's a great call. OK. Are we making calls? Like are are we, are you guys down for that? Like do you guys want to make calls right now that what what do we think happens? Yeah, I mean, I, I kind of already gave mine, but I'll go comma landslide 300 plus electoral votes. Whoa. OK, Amanda, what do you think? Oh, you muted?

I, I think the opposite, but that's mainly because I'm just going to follow, I, I, I personally followed betting markets on this and I just feel as though I think they're going to be right. Logan yeah, Like I said, I've wavered, but I, I as of this exact moment, 10:23 AM Eastern Time, I, I think I'm, I'm leaning towards Mando's position. If you'd asked me yesterday, I, I think I would have given you a different answer. But that's that's what I'm feeling with the boots on the

ground right now. Interesting. Well, yeah, I think it's going to be Trump landslide too, but we'll see. That's that's that's my call in the electoral vote. But we'll see. Let's look at the prediction markets for a second here, guys. So Paulie always, always see has been like heavy Trump the whole time so far at 62737 four I think to tell you sent me

something right earlier. To see the swing stage, just to show that like Logan is not just making this up, like Pennsylvania is, is by far the the the important state there. Oh wow, So what does this mean? Tipping point state in 20. So that means that you're betting on Pennsylvania to be the most important state that that like. Yeah. Yeah, basically if they win that state, they're like they've effectively like clenched. Wow. OK, OK.

And it looks like I saw the schedule, but this is going to be running to like super late, right? Yeah, unfortunately Pennsylvania is one of the the the latest ones for us to get the is that counts. Is east in the East Coast? Like why? What? Was. That they don't allow. I was watching this on the news and I, I think it's Pennsylvania, they don't allow the the counting of early votes until today.

So even though they they've had the early votes, they're not legally allowed to start counting though is. There is there. Data on how many though, or anything like that? Or not. There's like a million, like 1.3 million. Interesting, I like that, though I don't think it should be shared until after the election anywhere. I mean I I see your your point. Because it plays mental games, right? I would prefer it to be counted just from an efficiency standpoint, but it's not shared.

I think it's probably the better outcome. I'm assuming it's just low it's it's hard to have it counted not shared, right? Also, who cares? I mean, there's there's polls, there's exit polls from early voting, right? I think so. I mean, yeah, let's get the data out there. Like you shouldn't. You should be voting based on your own personal values and not because of the results of the early polls in Pennsylvania. Yeah, no, I see. All right, Well, look, we'll see what happens in the markets

today. One thing's for sure, it's going to be a volatile day, so be careful out there. 70696 Bitcoin here, 166 a lot. A nice bounce on that. I think it went as low as 155 last night, Mendo. So that was a nice, nice little bounce here. Griffin was speaking to me on the side chat saying he was going to get liquidated at 1:53 and I was like. You guys it's. Possible he just so I think we were all happy for him. Yeah, I was sweating that wiff trade for a moment on a lie. So we were.

Swings in my in My Portfolio have been. The swings have been insane, yeah, But the swings in spot hit different swings in leverage because one of them you can literally lose anything in one flash. Like one Wick is enough to take you out. And there's no coming back from that. There's no coming back from from from that. So we'll see. Curious to hear what you guys think here. So if you're a listener, make sure you comment below who you think is going to win and the

electoral vote and everything. Anyways, if actually I both posted ETH yesterday, boys, I both posted ETH yesterday. I may have, I may have bottomed ETH like like like Vitalik did with Solana in after FTX. I I think that theorem is going to catch a serious. I know we said Solano's going to catch a serious bid on the Trump win. It's true all it's in general, but I think a theorem would catch a serious bid because he got some more positive news

yesterday. But another another stable coin being launched all night on top of the UBSUBS stuff we talked about. So I wouldn't be surprised to see if you're catching a fat bid. And that kind of made me bullish yesterday. I was talking about it because when I compared year to date to Bitcoin, Ethan Seoul, I was like, wait, like, I don't know. The outlier here is, is ETH for the wrong reasons. But I don't know. I don't know. I think we could catch one there.

But anyways, Tyler. I mean, I'm ready to endorse that. Yeah, I'm ready to endorse. I think we got a new data point yesterday from the state of Michigan, another swing state. So the state of Michigan's pension picked up $10 million worth of ETF positions, which is more than the $6 million they previously bought in Bitcoin ETF positions. And this was kind of the, the, the primary bull thesis, right, is that the ETF trade would start to pick up. It's the diversification play.

And I guess Jurassi mentioned he thinks the flows are coming. They've been delayed. Like, I don't know, we're starting to see some signs that that maybe they are, they're starting to come. And when you see the the impact that the ETF's had on Bitcoin, you see how much ETH has lagged, you can talk yourself in to the like, this is a better trade, right? Putting like the fundamentals of ETH aside and all that. This is what I was saying

earlier. If there's any time, if there's any time for BTC to reverse, it's in the next 24 hours. If it doesn't, then you have a real problem. But like I don't think, I think it's tough to be bearish on ETH if it's in. It I just yeah, I don't know I

just there was the UBS stuff. I mean you, you weren't there like we talked about it for a while yeah, Sir Mando, the tokenization for them they're fun and then the the did you guys see the the Kraken and all these people are getting together to start A to start a stable coin, a stable coin on Ethereum again, like, I don't know, I I'm just I just like Robin Heard Kraken, Paxos and other crypto law firms, you know launched global dollar USD John Ethereum.

So and that was on the back of this news right under it and then this one. So it's like, I don't know like part of sentiment shift balls tingling. You know, I feel like the the, the, the, the, the, the people buying all the Bitcoin up think like, oh, what's the beta? What's the second after Bitcoin? They can only buy ETH right

through TS still. Prefer Coinbase stock to to to ETH, as I've said a few times, think that those that if you look at micro strategy versus Bitcoin, I think Coinbase and Ether probably a good comparison now like because I think Coinbase is largely an ETH company at the moment and it catches a lot of the value. They didn't have a good set of earnings, but like if Trump gets in. Dude, the earnings were were barely missed. Like, that was like kind of like, yeah, it was nothing

burger. Think about why you're why are you bullish on the ETH post election? You're bullish on terminization, you're bullish on the idea that they're going to start tokenizing all these funds. And I'm telling you that's going to happen on base. That's where where it's going to be allowed to happen. Also, they own a massive stake in Circle, right, which is the other big stable coin that could get called.

Like if you're bullish on ETH right now, I think a lot of that flows to Coinbase. Yeah, but it's easier to buy crypto than buy stocks. Stocks for me, not going to lie. So. Yeah, I get a voucher to buy stocks. I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's a hassle here. You know, to, to, to do it. So I don't know soon. You're going to be able to do it on chain and it's going to be easy. True story, true story, true story. Tyler, let's see what you got for us today. Can. We just stop for a second.

What is the final line of that? Ready to bash some bears? Yeah, none of that bit. The bit before that calls the. Four daily NFT and crypto analysis Tyler D on FOMO our cause the kid can't. Great to bash the bears. I have no idea. Tyler D on FOMO calls the kid can't miss. Because the kid can't miss. Yeah, the kid cost can't miss the. Kid can't miss. Ah, they damn. They must not know me very well. Of the three Co hosts. Didn't know that line until just now.

Tyler D on FOMO. I was listening to it yesterday. I was. I've been listening to this for so long. I still don't know that line. Well, it's because you've been listening. We haven't paid attention. It's different. You didn't know it either. And the bear starts growling. To say to, to make to. You hear me, but you don't listen to me. Yeah, It goes in from money or goes up from the other. She's. Only speak a little bit. All right, Tyler, what the fuck

is up in space? The election is the top story we went over. Crypto majors are now pumping on the open amidst big ETF outflows the the last couple of days. So maybe those are going to reverse. We saw global investment firm Bernstein, they shared their Bitcoin price target of 90K and the Trump win 50K for Kamala, although they think it's going to 200 K by end of next year. Regardless. UK pension fund Cartwright disclosed a $59 million position in Bitcoin that is 3% of its

portfolio. Nice allocation there. As I just mentioned, the state of Michigan had $10 million in Ethereum ETF to diversify its holdings. Bear Shake has raised $78 million already for the 2026 elections thanks to contributions from A16Z and Coinbase. So they are already looking ahead. We saw Legion partner with Blueprint to enable regulatory compliant IC OS in the EU while also reducing costs. And then we talked on the

stablecoin news. But Robin Hood, Kraken, Paxos and others teamed up to launch a stablecoin USDG on Ethereum. In token and protocol news, Swell announced its AirDrop and TGE event for Thursday, November 7th. LFJ, formerly Trader Joe Let's fucking Joe announced their new token mill product as a new token playground and community flywheel platform and guess what? That is coming to Solana. It will not be on Avalanche. Gemini has launched a new go where dollars won't go, but.

Trader Joe's is going to is coming on to Solana. Yeah, it's a new product on Solana that is correct. So like they're not, they're not abandoning Avalanche, but they're next. Not, not the supermarket, right? Well, they got sued by the supermarket. Oh wait, it's at the supermarket. You tell me I can't buy my salary on Solana. Trader Joe's was like infamously the biggest decks on Avax during. The I might remember they got a

lawsuit too. I was kidding, but I, I, I was hoping Trader Joe's, a real one, comes on. Solana. Yeah, and so this one hit hit me. So like I I went to trade a meme coin on Avalanche for the first time last week and I was looking for Trader Joe and I couldn't find it. How are you doing by the way? I mean, stick is one of the strongest meme coins we have. The only one, right? On this planet, Cleo is squarely behind it. It is a low cap currently. I did not want to use it say the

name I did. Just for the record, I did. I don't have any. I don't on AVAX but hey. It's good if that means see any success this Michael Stick is going to be. There didn't they have one called like caulk or something that was cooking at some point? Caulking cock Eno. Oh, let's revisit that one. Yeah, the Foundation. The foundation supported all those. I don't know if you remember

that basically. This. Year I was like guess the cock market cap right now without looking but you showed it already shit. In my bag. The bag holder it seems. It's fine. If you dump on the foundation, it's OK. Right, so this thing got to one. 100 million. Yeah, it was 400 mil. It was insane. Yeah. So there's room to run on Avalanche is what is what I'm hearing. I love that. I love that. All right? What else? What else?

What has he got? Yeah, so we got sidetracked there a little bit, and so I was ready to go to meme coins anyway. Meme coin majors were pretty green even before the market opened, so I imagine they're up even more now. We saw Sigma T and Fart Coin were big movers. I actually have a fart coin anecdote for later on if we want to get into it. Haggis, the latest hippo got the moon shot listing it. It pumped on that. In the NFTS we saw FOMO Maggies

jump another 30%. They are 60 sole floor now that is 2X the mad lads floor. So not only did the FOMO's flip them, they have doubled them now and then. Open C we talked about on last day, yesterday's show we broke the news. But again, in case anyone missed it, Open C has made the surprise announcement of a new Open C coming December 2024. While a he shared a tweet that looks like there is a leaderboard tied to this, which makes folks think that perhaps there is also an AirDrop, though

that is not confirmed. You seen Peanut this morning? No peanut doubled off the bottom as well. 70 million again, just did a 'cause I think Elon tweeted about it and it went from 25 to 80 this morning. Wow. Oh my God. James nice little comeback there. I I was on record saying the peanut trade was over, but. Well. Well, it may be over this time like this could be the final pump too, right? You never know of these. So you could be right, but you could be maybe very wrong, or

you were just right between. Well, go ahead. Sorry it. Probably depends on the election results. Actually, actually, actually does Peanut become the mascot if Trump wins? That's. What? That's what I think Elon tweeted yesterday for Peanut a couple of times, like he's he's continuing to make this a thing. I do think it's kind of a that's the issue about it. Like though, it's an election trade that also makes it slightly divisive. I think as a as a trade.

I don't know if you agree Tyler, but like I feel as though election political. Right wing trade physical means. We're tweeting a lot right now. This is insane. Like this, if Bowden was still going, this would be the time you'd be selling it, right? Well look at this, people got Elon retweet you. Don't want a political meme after the election? Is that true? Yeah, I think that's the risk, right? It's like if if Kamal wins the peanut meme probably gets hurt a decent. Problem.

This is why he posted even on his America Super PAC thing. Look, this is Elon's pack. Elon's propaganda peanut is so. The other thing about the, the, the whole squirrel thing is, is that how, how can it be that we live in America, supposedly land of the free and the, you know, the government can barge into your home with guns. So if you resist, you're going to get shot and then take your. It's a 3 minute clip on Peanut,

yeah. Kind. Of dumb I don't know like as a non American I feel like he's even on his waste has wasted his kind of time with this one. Like this is a funny story, it does not need like 5 minutes soliloquy about how important this this squirrel is to the future of America like they do. Go on forever like when they bring it back up. It's like how many that? Squirrel clearly had a love relationship with that guy. He would. Yeah. You know how many animals get killed around the world?

Like everyday? Just feels like to make this into a a metaphor about America seems a bit much. I feel like he's not doing a lot more than this. This one, this one, this one hit me personally because we have a lot of squirrels growing up in my mom's backyard and though my mom wished she was like they were all dead because they used to eat all her tomatoes and all her shit every day.

Well, seriously, like if if in the scenario where Kamala wins, we're going to look back at Elon, who was leading Trump's Get out the vote campaign, wasting the last two days talking about a squirrel. Like, I mean, he's not OK. It's a three hour thing, guys. He's not only talking about Peanut. I mean, Logan, what do you think of Peanut? Did you even take the trade? I was in and out a little bit on the way up. I'm I think I'm, you know, consensus here is this.

It's a little ridiculous at this point, but whatever. I'm a squirrel lover as well, so I'm. AI like squirrels too but like make this into like the number one election thing three days before. You mondo has a problem with squirrels. I'm I'm based just as an outside observer. It just feels a bit like, oh, OK, I don't know if you're winning vote, but this one. I think if Mendel was in peanut in the trade, he would say the that, you know, the squirrel should be on the American flag. Yeah.

Exactly. That's that's what we're going. For you know what to call it, Peanuts doesn't have legs. For what it's worth, my Pennsylvania brethren do not know much about peanut. I asked the other day. I asked them for really, They have no clue what peanut is. So. I, I need you to go out there in the streets right now and just take some videos. Like I'm so curious to see what rural America actually. There's nobody out on the streets here. There's no. My closest neighbor is, I don't

know, it's like forever away. So. But that sounds like a dream. You're like, far from society. Yeah. Well, sort of, yeah. It's a dream. It's just a dream for me. Do they know what MU Dang is? Is MU Dang made? It they heard it. Did they know that MU Dang picked Trump? Yeah. MU Dang picked Trump must make that an election issue. In fact, I think Donald Trump junior retweeted that. I know it. Yeah.

Look, that was funny. So they wrote MU Dang's name in Thai normally like sorry Trump and Kamala's names and Thai and then it went for Trump. Did you see the comments on I think it's like pop culture, just type in Mudeng Trump and maybe go to like the one of the yeah, maybe not like a non crypto publication around this. Malemoon is kind of crypto. It was New York Post. It was New York Post that posted it. And maybe. Somebody and honestly, people are like I'm going to kill this

hippo. I never like this hippo. No way on New York Post. I know, I know New York Post posted about this, this article about Mudang, but they post so much. Yeah, they post every 3 minutes. That would be hard for me to find. I was looking at the comments. I was like, wow, people are not happy with each other in America right now. Of course it's this reaction. Yeah, it's not great. It's definitely not great anyways, Tyler, so I'm I'm I'm now I really need to find this post so you guys.

Like a pop. It's like pop something. Pop culture. Maybe I'll find it. I'll find it. I can I can talk a little bit while you're trying to find it. I think Mando raises an interesting point about the the broader political memes. We are seeing a lot of red on the board. So Trump the primary Trump coins down to 5% at 157 million. Mega is down 10 percent 78 Trump is down, comma is down 30%. So they, they really that, that one's getting hit pretty hard.

I think we kind of talked about this lady and like you didn't want to hold these headed into the election. I think I still stand by that and I don't I, I there were, I, I asked a question yesterday. How will these coins do in three to six months? And they're there are believers in the Trump coin. They think if Trump wins the presidency, that coin is going to do well.

I don't know that I'm totally convinced on that it it feels less of a like a rebellious play, which is always kind of a part of the the core idea behind that. Like once he's once he's won, you know, I don't know what's the point. So I'm not saying I'm shorting it, but I wouldn't, I'm not super bullish on on that one, but. You know I found the link for I could put it in the chat. You want to read the comments.

Let's go read Pop Crave. All right, Let's see what people that who read Pop Crave think about about about Mudang predicting a Donald Trump win. So on Pop Crave, Mudang predicts Donald Trump the winner, the famous baby hippo was presented with separate blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All right, so. 6 million views. Someone send the Secret Service. Now I see that these these two have been OK but. Never trusted this oversized room. He's never been oversized, right?

Fuck you. Oh my God, Kamala Harris supporters murder the squirrel and rack when now they want to murder a baby? But election night meal? Wow. Election life is good. If Kamala Harris supporter actually did kill MU Dang, I think it could actually start civil war in the United States. Oh my God, because he wants him gone. Kamala's cake can shine now and get all the attack. Oh God, people who ate in Mudan but didn't have a good reason. Seeing this news mundane to liberals right now.

Oh my God I got to read this one out loud but this is crazy just. Kill that damn pig. Just kill that damn pig. Oh my God this is crazy. The comments on here is so funny. Oh, this cake. Good. Names here. Actually like, no, I'm not going to go there, but I don't do they hit do they eat like hippo meat? Like is that like edible? About pygmy hippos, there's very few of them, but. You've eaten Hippo. No, no, I've been to Thailand. I've been to, I haven't been to that zoo.

I've been to the zoo in Chiang Mai in the north of the country. But like, Thailand's got a bit of a sketchy history of animal safety. There's a New York Times article about eating hippos. You can, you can go there and like hang out with like tigers and stuff, but they're often like drugged up and elephant riding stuff is like done dodgy. It's weird. Like it's kind of like, oh, they're cool sanctuaries, but often it's just like ways to

make money from the animals. The zoo's also there are wild like they're not like they're not like zoos in the West. You feed the animals. So like I fed a hippo when I was in the Thailand Zoo. I fed a Jaguar you like, yeah, like, oh, maybe not Jaguar. Maybe it was a my? God. The smaller version of a big cat, but like it's and you, you buy the food for them. So you like, you'll buy a watermelon and you'll give it to the, you'll give it to the hippo and.

Stuff, Yeah. The sort of shit that just doesn't happen in in in the West, yeah. Is it true that you are a top donor to an anti squirrel organization? You you've caught me out. Yeah. I'm only I'm only for ducks, guys. Ducks over squirrels. Yeah, it looks like you hate squirrels. I have a squirrel actually that I that lives in my, the like the house I grew up in. There's a squirrel that lives in the tree in front called and I call him poncho.

It's a black squirrel, like super dark black squirrel. We have a bunch of them here and my mom hates poncho cause poncho ruins her, her backyard every summer. But he might, he, he hibernates in the winter. So he's, he's hiding right now and I see him every year, same time of year. He comes back out and I know it's him, and he comes back out to eat my own strawberries. Pardon, how old is this squirrel? Ten years straight up like it's been the same squirrel.

Unless now it's son or some shit, but it's been the same squirrel. Squirrels live. Let's let's have a look at this. How? Long do squirrels live? What was it? A squirrel? How 18 years? Yeah, the Alpine Marmot. I don't know if that's the same. Yeah, those are it. Those are it like this, these squirrels that that come out, right. I mean, you have these two, Tyler. We've lost girls, squirrels around here. Yeah, they look like that. How long do black squirrels

live? Because that it's a specific squirrel. It's these. See. Like that? Yeah. You stick. Going to, going to. To dark mode bro. It's like this is a dark mega squirrel bro. It's funny now, like it's weird because you even you're searching that you kind of want to search ChatGPT for this now, right? Like search has become so different. Like how long do black squirrels? Interesting show today, guys.

Yeah. Girls 6 to 12 years, I'm sorry man, you, you only got a couple more years it feels. Like wow, I mean he's getting old, it's true. But you should see when he like before the winter, he's so cute because he eats a lot and he becomes like fat like he's just like big ass squirrel. And then you see him after the winter and you feel bad because they come out of hibernation like thin, like nearly like you can see their bones. So it's like, anyways, Oh yeah. Daily market report of

squirrels. Anyways, is there anything like of top importance that we didn't talk about or that I missed? Tyler? I know we talked about the elections. Talk about the market. It was like a quieter day. I I think flocking 400 million is pretty noteworthy. The thing just does not stop. So it's looking good. Sigma, one of the biggest movers in that giga family. Giga Sigma, they're looking pretty good. This chart makes no sense. Like, you know, like this is where like, there's no Tai love

you like. You know what's becoming a really good tool in crypto, though, is Kaito Kaito AI Let's. See. That and default one on Kaito for a while now. If you just if you want to pay for it per month, it's a grand a month. But if you just type in every single day, which is which is what I do now. Just crypto mindshare. Someone's always posted. Well, this is from this morning. This is literally fresh from 40 minutes ago. Kind of tells you like what might be good buys, including

Kyla's fart coin there. Oh, actually, what's the story? Let me, yeah, let me tell the story. So this this was second hand from a friend that he basically said he was in a waiting room yesterday after like 30 minutes, there was a doctor there who had his laptop up. The doctor did like e-mail for 10 minutes and then spent 20 minutes looking at charts and he was following like, and the doctor was like looking at meme coin charts and he said no shit.

He stopped on the fart coin chart and looked at it for like a solid 10 minutes. So there are doctors in in American waiting rooms who are spending their time looking at fart coin charts and I don't know. Chart looks pretty good. Listen, if Donald Trump gets in and everybody gets into crypto, you know there's going to be a lot of doctors in America looking at charts. You know, excellent hard coin I. Actually think could do well if GOAT does well, there's there's definitely.

AI missed the whole AI thing actually looking you're kind of like the AI expert. What's actually what's the can you give us to tell there what's happening in AI and explain this far coin stuff? So far far coin was like right around the initial goat launch, right? Maybe only a week or so after, but I believe it's the coin that Truth Terminal suggested he would he she it would like to build. No, it's a she. By the way. The truth man is a 65 year old woman. It it would like to build a

fart. Coin, we know the last 24 hours, man, have you been keeping up the truth? Term. No, I hadn't. I had to take the alerts off because. It's not as valuable for me. A few hours ago it posted a a pretty non PC image. Oh oh. Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. I'm wondering when Sims is going to come in here. But keep going, keep going. I'm removing it just as backup because I don't know what's going to come up here. It's fine. It's not going to get us.

It's more what it said. Is this it? If people can? If we can share B polls. No. Keep going. No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, I can. No, I'm not. I'm not scoring. It says my God, I would. OK. You want to read it? I mean, the caption says. My God, I would lick your pussy clean. Yeah. Whose terminal's? Yeah, getting out of hand. And then it also says OK. The image's fine it. Wants to run for the president of the United States. It's it's definitely going a bit wild.

OK. It wants to debate you on mask on AI. It wants to run for the president of United States. It's posting some pretty aggressive stuff on the on the timeline. Yeah, this is like this is very horny thing was talking about creating website. I'm sure it's going to start at some porn site by the way. Like I wouldn't be surprised at all if Truth Terminal starts a porn site. But anyways, Logan, what's the TLDR? Because you were deep in virtual trenches and shit.

Yeah, it's obviously quieted down tremendously. I mean, goats rebounded quite nicely today, but all of those sort of tangentially related AI things have fallen away quite a bit. Virtuals is is down. That one's bounced. I know Mando's talked on the stream about playing the, the virtuals versus Luna Luna's down quite a bit from high, like maybe 6070% off high, but you're, there's still lots of experimentation happening. Like, you know, there was the Wall Street Bets launched a

agent with a platform last week. There's a platform on Solana now that's like virtuals. There's there's a lot of stuff still happening. Of course, you know, the eventual winners are probably buried in those trenches. That's where I'm trying to be a little bit more. But as of right now, yeah, pretty, pretty lukewarm tepid waters surrounding the AI coins at this very moment in time. I'm curious how the tensor's doing Mando actually. We haven't talked about this in a while.

Did it bounce back on all the other AI shit going down? I don't know. Where it is. That was the thing I sold for. 440-8448. Yeah, I guess it's kind of where it was. Have you looked at Zaribro? This is the new one that I've been looking at. It's been the top gainer of the last few days. Who read that? What is that? It's another AI seemingly a slightly more automated than because because how truth

terminal works right? Like is a is Andy has to still approve the tweets for now because it's so fucking non PC, but Zaribro is an account I've seen. Yeah, that's the one, the top one. It's going to be linked to a bigger AI model if you just type in Zaribra Bunch. Of Claude No. No, it's it's. It's being linked to something else in the space, but like a. Bigger OH. God, I've forgotten to find it, but D Gen. what's his name? The 8. D Farmer. D Farmer, he's been talking a lot about it.

Very bullish. I, I, I need to look more at it. It's the sort of thing I think you go higher though, like the the chart looks like it's the sort of thing that's about to gap up to like and I own 0, but it's one thing that I picked up on this morning as a new coin. Where is it at? .61. Yeah, yeah. This is it. Like. 11 this weekend. I was good, yeah. I was in and out of this a couple times. Believe something you're looking. Believe in something, Logan I.

Know, I know, I know. Like I feel like what's the Moat for these new AI agents? I agree. I haven't spent enough time with this one to understand why it's different or better. So this guy, I think the guy is great as Jeffrey you people just saying like he's the what stuff he's doing is more decentralized. I I agree with you. It's definitely a beta.

It's definitely a beta. But what I like about these, and the reason why I actually like Truth Terminal is I do think they need to work alongside some form of an AI researcher to be good. It's not just some lap with a pump fun. Right. Because I think those are the ones that like don't last. Whereas if it's like something cool and they're going to because every single week there's a new thing. Because you're more bullish, you're more bullish on GOAT

because of Andy, right? Because I see you like answering Andy's tweets. Like a lot. I'm bullish on GOAT because I think it's the first of this no matter what happens. You seem to believe that Andy drives that narrative forward. Yeah, I think Andy makes it better like if and if Andy's vision now is to like create a YouTube for it where they post content, get make websites like like already with the with the images and videos.

It's expanding. But there was a comment in one of the chats I'm in yesterday where they asked because I'm going to chat with. Andy, I'm on the show. I've been trying man. What do you mean you've been trying to chat with him? I know, I know, I know. Say hey, Andy. But there is a what was I going

to say? Yeah, he's, he was asked like what happens when there's a new model that comes out, you know, like what happens if there's when the clawed model updates, He's already updated it with one of the clawed updates. But you need to have someone who understands how to upgrade these things with the new LLMS that come out. And I think that's why this cerebral one, this kind of has a look of me as someone like, this guy's going to do some cool

stuff. This, this, this you guy, Jeffrey, you everyone's like this guy's the guy, you know, in the same way that they were talking about Andy. So I I don't know, that's why I love it. I really think you should people should try to mess around with these platforms like virtuals and and beyond. You get a pretty good sense of like how differentiated those agents actually are. So for example, like I, I built one on creator bid and this is no knock at creator bid, but it

was really easy to build. But I could tell pretty quickly after thereafter that like whatever I built from that was not going to be anything super special and differentiated. And therefore it would be very difficult for somebody else to also do that. Therefore, more likely making the agents that perhaps would come from that platform be a little less desirable from a an investment standpoint. Of course, not financial advice, but that. So I think, you know, just mess around with them.

But you do need to I'm, I'm fully with Mando there. You need people pushing the buttons a little bit and trying to get these things to level up because it's so easy. Yeah, it's so easy though, for I mean, you can go build 1 yourself, but like then it's just any other shit coin from anywhere, right? It's there's, there's nothing special about it. Yeah, no, I I agree.

I think it needs a special thing and last thing and then I guess we'll get Ash. Ash, you should start requesting to speak so we can do your spin here. So while we wait for Ash, maybe Tyler, do you want to go over like The Mirage memes and how we're looking? Because they were looking really good on the bounce of the old of

them, as a matter of fact. But Ash Ash BTC, if you're here, come up on I already saw you in the comments on YouTube, but make sure that you come here on the stage so we can get a spin going for you and see if you can win a pup. But but Tyler looks like the brown beams are having a good day. Brown beams are back. Popcat Fierce rebounds off its local bottom. It's back to 1.3. Mog up 10% and lock in Lock in's the top mover on the board. That's 75.

Million love to see that. That's a where's. USA, Tyler. USA Oh, it's not good. Still below 30? Yeah. What? Happens to USA if if Kamala wins feel like. I think it's still a longer. I think in both scenarios it's a longer term place. Because if, if Trump wins you, you still have all the other Trump memes. Yeah. Actually in the post election world in general happens USA right? I thought this would catch a little more hype into the election. Yeah, it hasn't. It hasn't, but.

I mean Murad is still bull posting his one to two year long outlook every day. Yeah, and still the cheat. And MOG has 100 million on SPX now. Do you see that Mando I? Mean that's a. That's a. $100 million difference now between MOG and SPX. Since the day you talked shit again, Tyler, the shit flipped completely. Not only 100 million. Sorry, 106.2 $1,000,000 Market cap difference. No, we need we need the those Poly market like historical lines.

You're getting mugged, bro. That's what's happening. They're signed waves. You can if you put both charts together. You know how people do those those things. I think you can, but there's a way. To do it, yeah. Yeah, there's a way to do it, but yeah anyway, so it looks looking good. My bags are looking good here. My retardio and locking bags are looking great. My mug bags, I have those three mug retardio locking and my 3 coins out of Murad beams. They're looking good today.

Love to see that.

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