Well, TM everyone, we have a full show today. Well, at least three guests cals who's now become a staple of the show and we have OSF back. You should join us both on Twitter. Don't know why you both. I just. I just. I just requested. Leaving me hanging. Okay. I'll bring you guys up. OSF. I'll just be your cohost. How you doing? Where have you been for the last week? Why? Why did you leave us? I thought that. Was let. Me just that. Is there an echo there? Amateur out there.
I was in Vancouver and Whistler for a very lovely and spectacular wedding. That sounds I saw another outfit of yours. Another wedding. Get up. You did, Yeah. I think you sent it in your friend tech. You said it in the friend Tech I. Think, oh, you said it in the front. Yeah, sorry. Just for friend tech only viewers, that one wedding outfits and the fit of the day. I feel like all friend techs are very different because I'm out there giving like trading advice.
I'm telling people what I'm going long and sure, you're just sending photos of weighing invites and your key price is higher than my key. People want what they want, man. People want what they want. What can I say? There was I think like 10 people bought your friend deck over the weekend and I. Was like for a week. My friend Tech rallied after I spent a week at a wedding playing golf and sent one photo of me bringing a. Suit open to the right. Unbelievable.
Actually, Couch, we should I'm a friend Deck. Parentally undervalued. Yeah. Wait, what? What? You're working with Friendsec. If I look at this, I don't own a cows. No, I think I do Canary land. It does. I do. Commando does not. Yeah, I accidentally deleted it from my home screen, so I haven't been that active on it. Yeah, I also. Undervalued. I'm buying it right now. Buying your point? Pump it, lads. Pump it, but I think I've got front run. So I'm probably found around the
year. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. Unbelievable. It wasn't actually wasn't me anyway look, it's great to have you with this slightly different format of the show without throat. We've just been kind of going through the top, top things, top five or six things for the day. We are sponsored by Kraken NFT. We had them on the show last week. Thanks for the support Ovi. We're gonna be sponsor them for the.
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They're the one people who accepted us to actually take money out. So thank you Kraken. We we are cranially supportive of everything they do in the space. Anyway, we should get into what has been going over the last 24 hours. Obviously you missed some of the previous chats OSF, but yesterday it felt pretty bad. I remembered I did the Mando minutes yesterday and it was definitely the most depressing Mando minutes I've done in a minute and then I know it's
snuck on down. Bitcoin got below 25 K very briefly and timeline literally felt like no. It felt like a nuclear bomb had gone off in in in the Twittersphere. But then it bounced. And about what? Was it 11:00 PM last night? 11:00 PM last night? I was like, should we be going Max Max Bullshit. It just feels as though everyone. It's it it that that 24750 or 25
was like the support level. Everyone was piling into shorts across the board and a bunch of different old coins and it just felt like it could have a little bit of a flutter upwards and then it started to go and go and go and now we're above 1600 again on East. We're actually up on the day I think over that over that 24 hours. So and Bitcoin went above 26 K it was what did, what did you make of it? Both of you maybe start with
OSFP and sending it for a week. I've I've kind of been loosely following what's going on over the past few days, but I just like got back like, you know got back to Twitter, got back to the timeline and it was just like classic like. Everyone bearish at the lows, like everyone breaks at multi month. Those are at key support levels.
There's this whole FTX stuff and I don't know if someone just posted this like big FTX thing and people just assume oh they're going to sell a billion dollars worth of crypto in one day and just like hit the sell button then it's all going to go down, let's short into it so we can like buy back low into that. But the reality is those things get priced in very quickly. Anyone who has half of them is not just market something that
much crypto. They're probably working with Gemini or Coinbase or another broker to actually unwind that risk over time. And I think we've had like, look, we've had this is just such a it's just a classic example of like people changing their mentality because of price action rather than adjusting the mentality because of fundamental news and headlines and things that are happening and what's happened. Well, crypto just keeps going lower. Because of.
Some technical reasons that people need to sell. So now suddenly everyone's bearish at the lows when all the headlines have been really positive and even you even had like Franklin Templeton just filed for Bitcoin ETF about officially did that about 20 minutes ago. So there were rumors yesterday. So like the headlines are overwhelmingly positive. Sometimes the technicals outweigh the fundamentals and where people are forced sellers
in the market. And that's clearly what's happening right now, whether it's FTX, whether it's finance stuff, whether it's the government crypto, whatever it is. But it doesn't change the, I don't know the six to 12 month outlook here in less than six months they actually see has until March to make a decision on these approvals. And you know in six months time we're heading into that, we're heading into Bitcoin Hub and we're heading into Fed cutting rates.
So like all the headlines and the news flow potentially is all overwhelmingly positive and I think. Is very it's like the most set of like potential positives that we've had in the last two years of crypto. Price action right now is negative because people are forced sellers And what do, what does the average retail trader do, the average price on crypto. Do they get bearish?
For what reason Because price is going lower which is really done because as the price goes low you want to buy more. You want to average in. You want to actually buy this forced selling so you can actually sell it on the way up. And I bet you what will happen in in the next few months when? This ETF's get approved and the people will be better people. Will be better and people will start buying stuff at 3K and like you know what's going to happening?
Like someone's going to short ether, you know, 1600 and cover at 1550 and it's like cool, I just made like you know 5% whatever it is. And they're going to buy ether 3K and sell it at 3.3 K and by cool just make 10% when actually you could have made 100% just buying ether 1600 and selling it at 3.2 K So. I was like Sailor on the last week where he was like this is the best, I mean it's Michael Sailor. So he's like the third biggest
holder of Bitcoin out there. But he did say he thinks all the time and he's been trading Bitcoin for 10 years now. He said this is the best risk of what he's seen because he's like towards the end of what he thinks is a bear market, you have all these secular reasons why people are going to be having to buying Bitcoin, coming up and even other majors.
And he's like I haven't seen the better risk award and I think there have been some medium term bearish views, which is volumes have gone down a lot across the market and people always assume that volume must mean, you know, people, less people involved. Interestingly, Bitcoin, number of new wallets and even E wallet, wallet dresses haven't really dipped during this
period. What has happened is a lot of market makers and high frequency trading firms have stopped trading crypto, which is why you've seen a lot of exchange volumes go down like the actual real. I know we see crazy volumes go through some of these crypto
coins on a daily basis. The actual real volume that goes through is much, much more the the vast majority of this high is high frequency trading firms which are basically trading it back and forward on on based on the order book they see on the
exchanges. It's what jump winter mute I don't know Citadel, all these guys that they they do it in Tradfi and they've been doing it in crypto and a few of them have have taken a step back Jane St. and they actually have been saying the last six months we're not going to be doing that anymore. So volumes have come down.
I think secondly because of the lack of high frequency trading firms on on on marketplaces and that part of that's a lack of volatility but that I don't think volume being lower means prices should be lower. In fact you've seen contact rest stay pretty high and you've seen you've seen long term holders actually own the most amount of bitcoins that they have ever at this stage. So it doesn't it doesn't feel to me like Oh my God it's it's everything's dying off.
It just feels as though the I know the scan volumes that we saw centralized exchanges have just just slowed down. But then the second thing is, yeah, it's the main thing that people have been bearish about is just like the charts. And like when people tell me that it has to go lower because of a chart or because of some technical. I just had such a stupid reason like it's so those things can
change on a dime. And I'm not saying that there aren't trend following and and technical following traders in this market who can make money and even even strategies. That being said, if that's the reason why it should go lower because it's somehow crossed like Bitcoin could do a death cross or something like that or Ease could do a death cross and
it was a fair signal. If you actually look back going through a death cross the next six months, performance of EVE I think was like it was massively variable, like the six times it's done a death cross, three of them was massively up, three of them was massively down like you just this stuff can mean absolutely nothing unless you give it credibility.
And I think with what you're saying as well is that a lot of lot of news has been positive and I agree with that Like the difference between how much travel I will buy if an ETF gets approved versus how much the FTX estate have to sell was just like then incomparable FTX. They they're going to have to sell some alts. But like why that was given so much credibility and that caused it, that was said that it was going to be a 10 to 15% drop across the board.
It's just like it's just ridiculous. So I think I think you're kind of cutting through the bullshit there, just have you back. I don't know if you want to add anything broadly agree with that Cali, but of. Course, Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with everything you've said. I think especially the fact that technical analysis is not the main driver of price in any market really. It's just one of many indicators that may or may not mean something. Yeah, what do you think now?
Now we've had this all bounce. Yeah, yeah, lower. Basically everyone's gonna everyone's gonna be like oh this is this is the bottom. The bottom is in everyone's gonna get really positive and then it's just gonna they're gonna, yeah, it's gonna spank them the other way around. You think I, I thought. I thought the other thing I thought I I was gonna show up this morning when it we we went back about 1600 and it did put on a few shorts in all coins. But then I was like, it's too obvious.
It's just too obvious. Like I think everyone got caught shorting at 1500 and now bitcoin's going to 26 K and he's kind of about 1600. I think everyone's piling back into that shore. Part of me thinks that just like the bounce of that support was quite a big deal, like that 25K support is quite a big support, even on the technicals that we just spoke about. It's kind of the lows that we saw it hit against in June and July. I just feel as though there's no trade for me here.
There's no trade for me. I don't think you should be on Levid long. I don't think you should be shorting because I think it could actually hurt you pretty badly at this. If Bitcoin goes to like 27 K or or so. I think if you if you are getting more bearish, I don't think there's a trade here. I think wait until either you see a bit more momentum to the downside and more like I don't know credibility that that this
can. But other than that, I think you think you're going to get a better entry and go and levered long here. It's tough, the volumes are low, so you can get bad Wicks and I just think it's a little bit difficult. So nothing to for me to do here. I thought the trade was last night, but maybe that's cop out. Do we know what caused the the big green candle this morning? Shorts was a short. Big shorts squeeze a lot of. Everything. That's the shorts added, right,
right at that support level. And if that's why I said I was like in the chat that we're all in just us three, I was just like, I think we should maybe go and Max long here. Ovi was. Ovi said, oh, well, you can get a whip down and that's true. But you can like the volumes are low. It could have easily gone to like 24 1/2 half, but it does, yeah. You're using leverage, yeah. If it did feel as though people were just pining into shorts, right at. There's a good. That's a good quote.
From Roman in succession. Season four, I believe, right? Just like everything's high risk. If you're a pussy, love it. And that kind of reminds me of that. What movie? What film? Session season four. Oh, Succession. All right. OK. Is that like? PC. These days, like Ally's been pretty based. I don't think I'm enjoying. I'm just quoting a very popular. TV show. I'm actually. Going to change the name of the space. What was the exact?
I'm not saying anything else. All right, We will go on to the second major point of the day. You. Follow me on Twitter. I'll post the meme ooh yeah, a. Little bit. We need to get you some more followers. I think we will be hearing from is Gary Gensler, GG is gonna be back in front of the Senate. He's gonna be answering for his sins in the crypto space. He got a bit of a hiding when he did this a couple months ago. I think he's got 2 hearings in September and I think that's.
I don't know. I think we're gonna see a whole timeline of a bunch of sentences being like, what the hell are you doing? Which I think is good for crypto. Like he's going to. He's been increasingly looking like a fool and I think, I think we need to 11 up and we need to dunk on him as much as we can, 100% yeah. What do you what do you think about Gary Gensler, Kelly? Just power craze bureaucrat so obvious like and his powers waning.
I think either he will resign or lots of his juniors will be forced to resign and take the blame for what's being. A failure of an SEC for the past 12 many years. I think in some ways I kind of sympathizes the wrong word. But I understand that like the securities laws are very outdated. But he had a choice. He could either say, right, we need to update these laws so that people can follow them or I'm going to reinterpret these old laws and try and squeeze them onto new digital assets.
And he went with that. And this resulted in losing everything. I think common sense. Should have taken the other way, but do you think he clings on till after the election or do you think he gets fired? Or do you think he he just he leaves if he loses one of these big court cases? If he loses his court case, I just think he's got. To be done. Right. Everyone said he want. He's trying to get to Treasury, but with this much failure, I don't know if it's even possible.
Too fair, like there's been some. Pretty funny. Treasury secretaries, I mean, yeah, the current Treasury secretaries. Exactly. I mean, the whole administration at this point is beyond satire. Like here we go, here we go. There's a funny comment on not a fan of. I just. I just can't believe it's all
real. I felt I saw a comment when somebody was like, I feel sorry for the writers at The Onion because, like, they can't come up with anything as, like, ridiculous as the kind of current chain of events in in various parts of. Of the government machine. It's a joke of mine, is it? Is a bit of a it. Was actually about the energy secretary trying to do this like electric vehicle tour of America.
But then they realized that there aren't enough charges to do the tour that she's on. So they had to send people in gasoline cars to like go to the charges and reserve spaces. I mean, the whole thing is fast at this point, but. But yeah, nice. Yeah, I think. I think he's going to look like a fool. I think. I hope some sentences go for him. They really went for him a couple months ago. A lot of that was to do with what happened with FTX, but now it's new about general crypto
regulation. I think it's going to be a big thing. He's also obviously been praising AI. I think you have different things to do with AI, so maybe that will come up a bit. I know the US is starting to build a regulatory framework, maybe including licenses for AI, so maybe he will get involved in that. But yeah, that's something to look out for today. Expect some headlines from whatever Spectator Index or one of those people that post headlines. It will be an interesting.
Watch The third thing to talk about today was ZK Rollups 0 of Jesus Christ. Who was that? That's me. It's a big dog, yeah. The zero noise proves is one of the main ways that ethics scaling this is maybe a bit boring. But I thought it was interesting because it was it was something that we spoke about last week hardly about the deficiencies of of Bitcoin as a the security model in particular and the fact that ordinals may have been kind of the solution to that.
To a certain extent. It did mean people were willing to pay more fees to to to mine blocks on on Bitcoin. For Bitcoin to survive, I think long term it's either got to have some sort of television or it's got to increase its utility to this point that people will be willing to pay for block space. ZK roll ups is maybe the 1st way that they can do that, some sort of layer to where it's cheaper, it maintains the security of of of Bitcoin.
I think this could be the start of the building blocks of of a future for Bitcoin, hopefully. Anyway, it's being done by two different companies. It looks like one of them is let me just share this, one of them is Chain Way. So Chain Way last week announced the open sourcing of their Data Availability adapter. This technology that allows developers to leverage Bitcoin security and finality to develop rollouts within the sovereign software.
God, that's a lot of acronyms. Sovereign Software Development Kit, SDK and then Kaiser Labs teamed up with Hatrick Wizards, who everyone knows at Judy to coincidentally release ADA Adapter for Bitcoin. At the same time.
This adapter lets plugins developers plug the Madara stack into Bitcoin. Some of this stuff it's just to run the stock net based roll up leveraging the Cairo programming language created by Stockwire. That's a lot of jargon, but it basically is hoping to create this sort of utility level that the Ethereum has right now and bring it to Bitcoin. Do you think this can happen, Carly? Do you think this could be the future of Bitcoin?
Do you think could you become a Bitcoin bowl if they build out a utility layer to Bitcoin? And become a Bitcoin bowl if it becomes an L2 on that area. I'm kidding. I think the one thing we did. Is talk about. Let me. Get that? That'll trigger a lot. Of people. I like orange coin. I like orange coin, just not the end state of it. But anyway, I think the one thing we left out of our yeah, the one thing we left out of our conversation last week, I was thinking about it was actually
innovation. And there are a lot of very smart people work who believe very deeply in Bitcoin and what it stands for. I think the number of people working on things for Bitcoin is probably increased in the past few years. Had some more developers, It was quiet for a long time, but with ordinals, a lot of developers start to start to get involved. But yeah, that's a fair point.
And I think even though ordinals may or may not have been a success financially for the people who bought them, I think it has been a success in proving that you know what there are. You can do stuff, stuff, there's there's things to be worked on and there are avenues to achieve things here and these sound like good steps on on the road, on that road.
I don't. I think finding better ways of achieving its current role rather than just copying the role of it that Ethereum has is probably better for like a long term solution. But that's just my opinion. I I agree. I think I think there are some glaring holes in in the current thesis behind Bitcoin which kind of just get gas lit. But I think this this could be
big. And I also completely agree with the second thing you said there was which is once enough people care about something and there's a problem, normally people work out how to solve it. Like you just need to be aware of the problem like you saw this with like COVID, like as long as enough smart people are financially motivated or in some way motivated to solve something, they'll normally come
up with some sort of solution. So I think, I think although there is some logic there which I think is very, very tough to overcome, I'm not completely bearish from the ability to. So I think this is, and this is the first, this is when they came on, they spoke about Cambrian explosion for for Bitcoin. This is what this could be the start of something like that people do want bitcoins to succeed and this is the sort of stuff that needs to happen for it to succeed. In my opinion.
OK, the the next thing to talk about is U.S. banks. Another very boring topic. But we I thought it was relevant because people keep on mentioning this is the main thing for this. I don't know if you see it sometimes. If everyone mentions a credit event, a credit event could be coming. A credit event could be coming for the for the economy. There's various different ways that that is looked at.
But debt is rising. Whether it's consumer debt, whether it's sovereign debt, whether it's corporate debt, it's all been rising and interest rates rising, rising at the same time and people are assuming there could be some sort of an event where regional banks or banks in the US come under some stress. We obviously saw that earlier in the year. It looks like this week again was the largest, biggest weekly outflow out of U.S. banks since SVP All. Right.
Should we be worried about a credit? Event Should we be worried about U.S. banks? How was that caddy? What'd you guys think?
I think if it was a bigger problem then you would see the Fed be more proactive on it. So you're you're you're basically saying it's either a big problem and the Fed are being completely negligent, which is a possibility, and they've done it before and you've done making lots of different things, or they're on top of it and they believe it's contained and they believe it's fine.
More, I'm trying to think it's a latter because we've had, we've had a couple of scares this year already and they're not just like sleeping at the wheel right now. They're obviously on top of lots of different things. So for them to mess this up. Would. Just be like a catastrophic example of negligence in the professional workplace to an extreme amount at like one of the highest levels possible. So. Based on that signalling, I think it's fine. But if there's not that point, what?
What now? People have forgot that the banks are just borrowing like a trillion dollars. From the Fed. Right now, no one ever includes it in the bank. Balance sheet, it's it's it's own facility, but the borrowing from that Fed facility that was set up in March to help deal with the regional banking crisis is actually got an all time high number of withdrawals. At the moment. It's a trillion or past a trillion for the first time. That's just like QE in a
different realm. I know the Fed is. Producing its balance, but they are, they're like people just don't count it, but they are secretly just pumping liquidity into the market right now that people just are just acting like it's not happening. I do think that could get worse. I think that facility could go into the multiple trillions like I think you're going to, you're going to you know 5 to 10
trillion. If if, if the situation gets worse in the housing sector in particular, but also in the consumer sector, there's a lot of different pockets of debt, student loans, auto loans, credit card debt which could all spare private credit like that facility could get very, very, very big. I do think the Feds on top of it. I think where we will see the stress is in the end markets more like the consumer rather than actually the banking, banking sector.
I don't know if you would agree with that, Kathy. Yeah, totally. Fed emergency window is great. Like if you're a bank, you've lost 50% mark to market on your entire mortgage portfolio. You just go to the Fed and say this used to be worth 100 billion, it's now worth 50 billion. But can I borrow 100 billion on it? And they say yeah.
Sure, that's. A no brainer trade, right, That's just instant double your money and your balance sheets back-to-back to square one, they probably are a little bit tighter on lending I guess on the follow, although maybe not.
But yeah, I agree. I think that window has saved all banks balance sheets and the banks that don't use it are the ones that know if they go under then the federal they're too big to fail anyway, strategically important global institutions as it's called in the regulatory framework. Yeah, I think the stress is much more likely to come at the consumer level and you know, but that that is that a credit event. I don't know. That's just a recession, right? Like people got less to me.
Like it's like I think it's the idea there'll be some sort of credit crunch. I don't see a credit crunch happening in banking sector. I just don't see happening with what the feds already put in place. It's massive up to 25 trillion. So it's it's it's huge. Jamie Dimon came out yesterday. Who is the CEO of JPMorgan and said he wouldn't be a big buyer of a bank and sounds alarming. The economy he basically said doesn't see the economy booming.
There's a bunch of people talking about soft landing yesterday including Yellen and the and over sax Even so he he's basically pointing water and remember they came in and bought what bank did they buy was it First Republic or did they Yeah they bought one of them they bought one of the banks that was that was I think it was First Republic. They came in and saved it. He's basically saying that there could still be more stress. So I do think there is stress in
the banking market. I don't think it's going to cause some sort of like 2008 style crisis because of what the feds already done. But I do think you could see some soft softness in consumer demand over the coming months. I don't know if that's bad for markets though. I don't think a recession is that bad for markets. I I I don't. I think that that means we we
reduce rates. I think things we're already kind of seeing it like we're in the midst of kind of a recession, like people are getting into their savings, they're borrowing more, debt spending is coming down, employments getting a little bit weaker, like we're already kind of seeing it in my opinion. I think the idea that we see a bit more softness in in economic data I think could be positive markets, but let's wait and see just because of what they would
have to do to rate. How do you think it translates into the sovereigns like US, in particular U.S. Treasuries? I don't think I'm ever going to. I don't think we're ever going to go back to 0 or 1% interest
rates again. I just think, I just think that over the last 10 to 15 years we've moved from a situation where most most G7 economies were sitting between 50 to 100% debt to GDP ratio to now a lot of them above 100 approaching 150. And that wouldn't necessarily be an issue if the interest payments are just so high like it's one trillion, 1 trillion going up to two trillion a year.
the US is going to have to spend now on interest payments and with that sort of profile and remember that they're they're only doing short term debt which is why only like 3, six month bills, they they don't want to lock themselves in for these long rates of 5%. They're like right, we're just going to borrow for three months because we hope they're going to come down. I think there is some default
risk in the G7 economies now. Basically, and I think that's going to stop being priced in, I think. I think it's very, very even if the Fed started dropping interest rates, I think people are wary of the current debt situation, and that will be increasingly restrictive for these economies over the next decades. Not bad for crypto though, in my opinion, but that's a different question. I agree. Leave it at that. Leave it at that. Cool, you asked the question. I agree.
I agree. You gotta give me something on the way back, right? Okay. Cool. Let. Manage 5 minutes, yeah. Yeah, that was a good one, That one. All right. The next thing to talk about is what's been going on in the ladies. I don't know if you saw this, but we're gonna NF t's. It's pretty it's pretty funny what's been going on The maladies, because the maladies
got maladies, so to speak. It looks like a debt that they hired on the team, came in and stole $1,000,000 from the team, and then I think also stole that code base. What's really interesting about this is that when a maladie steals anyone else's shit, it's just like, oh malady, you know, they've gone like they're suing this person. It's like really corporate response and it's actually come to like a bunch of different stuff about maladies is that
they are now. They're actually like their own corporation, the Romilio Corp. And there's something about them doing a raise like this. But I saw, I saw a post actually from kind of a well known malady in the community.
And you try and bring it up because I put it into our chat, Gabriel Shapiro and basically being like the the thesis, the ethos behind Malady is being challenged by this court case because it's it's just revealing that Malady's is kind of just no better than you guys and that's that's not a great thing. So he said. So now that we all know the Remedia Corp is a literal business entity, an LLC with a
corporation in the name. Major corporate law party foul by the way, owned 100% by Charlotte Fang who's a guy and doing a BAYCBC fundraise. And now we're here debating about compensation fairness for malady employers, as if holding a say after a lawsuit for a breach of fiduciary duty. He's basically like, he's basically saying like this just makes us just like you collapse. We are, we are.
Instead of being a cult, we're just some corporation owned by somebody who's doing a VC raise and is suing somebody else. Pretty critical I thought. And ladies have Diplo 3E. They've they've really got hammered by by this court case. It's not just the money. It's like I think it's it's revealing something about the malady team, which wasn't necessarily what people thought it was. So you and the malady, What do you think? I think the reason why it's I think you're right.
I think the reason why it's lower is not because of the hack of the fact. I think the reason why it's lower is this realization that actually it's, you know, it's presented to be this cult found on like pure principles and being clear and all this kind of like, you know, weird stuff. And it's like, Oh yeah, it's just like some Indian dude who owns 100% company and and now yeah, like they're suing and all this litigation and all that kind of stuff, so.
Yeah, like, I think. I think that's why it's lower. I have to say that. I mean, I don't know why I bought it. My Belady or the Romeo. Changing your mind. I used to get away. No, I mean. I just kind of. Yeah, Get me, Get Me Out. It's like I did buy. One bid, one bid. Like, I think cults. I think cults work. I don't think you know. Sometimes there's this concept that the cult itself grows
bigger than. Whatever it is that created it and I think malady is probably strong enough cult where that will happen. Like, I don't think it's just going to die. I'll get to 0. Because remember people who are in cults are just like very sticky and very stubborn to the point where it becomes irrational and that's why they get to irrational prices, right? Like that's why I think that's why cults work.
So I think what will happen is you'll see this dip and then you'll probably just see like lots of different factions within malady where like some people like. Pro Romilia Corps and people like answer Romilia Corp and you know you have all the stuff. But at the end of the day, like, you know, I think these things can become bigger than their creator. I mean look at Pepe and Matt
Fury, right? Like Matt Fury is the original creator of Pepe, But Pepe's become this whole great big thing where if Matt Fury does something bad, it wouldn't affect Pepe, right? So I think malady is the kind of cult that has. That. Potential if it isn't already there, in my opinion. I think it's the case that the vibes are no longer Immaculate and that's kind of why it's dip. That's what it feels like to me.
Yeah, I think that is it. I think I wouldn't actually mind that the lawsuit stuff is kind of funny because it's like my ladies are often devs. They're often involved in, I wouldn't say. Rugs, but, like, nefarious? Nefarious activity, inactivity, let's put it that way. And it's just like, you know, you're fucked with a malady, you
know what you're going to get. And now something bad has happened at malady and they're like suing the person and like crying on Twitter. And I was just like, I mean, it's kind of ironic. It's not that I think it's the right thing or wrong thing, it's just irony there. But then this whole idea that it's just come out that he's just like doing a raise, I mean, BC raised from a lady. I. Wonder what the business plan that? That's a weird one.
That's definitely a weird one. That's really that's definitely like anti malady I would say anti what you would have expected the vibe to be. We we don't even own it. But we we based off your art project rec. I we would never consider doing a raise for that reason because it's like it's just it's the wrong ethos. It ends up making it feel as though it's just some vehicles to enrich and that's that ruins it by doing it.
You know you've seen it so often that that's happened with VCs particularly for a project racist like it's just about the vibes. It's just about the cult, right. It's like if Crypto Dick Butts did a raise or if I guess they could try and sell the project but. Cults are rarely good vehicles of economic activity, right? Like, so if you raise, if you raise and you would need to make money, then like the cult vibe is maybe going to go away.
By definition, the cult is like people are not there because they're economically aligned, they're there for the vibes and there's a range of cults and there's a range of reasons and vibes why people will be in them. But. It's all for that. I think so. If you own a malady or Emilio or one of the Emilio Corp assets, what are you buying? The vibes are gone. What are you buying? That guy, I didn't say it. I. Didn't say it, plug it. I didn't say it.
Anyway, we'll move on to the next thing. Which is what did I write here. What about? Pixel. Maybe I'd buy a Pixel month. Yeah, maybe you just buy a. And I think they're similar price, aren't they too? I think Kevin's a yeah, they're not cheap. They're not cheap, Okay. So the final thing we saw happening in Banana bot, which is another one of these bots that came out, it came kind of out of left field, it overtook Unibot in terms of volumes.
They did a presale last week, they didn't did their public sale yesterday and probably one of the funniest things that I've seen happening crypto for a while because this was shield to high heaven like it was. I think it opened at a $60 million market cap and then it turned out. Let me just try. Sorry. And then it turned out there was a issue in the contract. It dropped 99.7% and now they are having to. They are having to do a V2 launch. It looks like they're going to have to get some.
They took a snapshot when they then sold the go to the website. They took a snapshot when they sold the treasury tokens, but the token basically went to zero. They said way forward, shitty situation, but we are my situation, but we're doing everything to make it right. Happy to share an action plan. We are having our new contract orders that they claimed that had been audited twice. Someone put the contract through ChatGPT and it immediately
showed errors. So I think that's but won't launch until we are sure everything is in order. We are going to take care of our investors. Let's go into deep detail. We will take a snapshot XYZ. They basically said they're gonna try and fix it, but I don't know, I just think there's so many bots. No second chances. You don't get a second chance at this time, do you? You don't get a second chance. Especially for something that was so like hyped and
anticipated. And you know, there's all this talk about like influences getting presale and some people like selling and all that kind of stuff. Like, I don't know, I think with this one, it's just it's one of the most hyped block coins to come to the market. And they did, they did the whole like, you know, like how NFT projects get hyped up before mint at like a really high mint price and then they sell and then nothing happens. It's kind of feels like one of those.
Set the Shipcoin version of it. Yeah, I would agree. I thought it was funny. Jintao, who's kind of a well known shipcoin influencer, ended up buying I think something like 50 ETH of banana at the top. He then deleted his account shortly afterwards. He's now. I really like that. I guess because he was shilling, he was shilling Banana Bot for a long time, but he seemed like. I think it was something he got banned as well by some ladies,
but it was just funny timing. He bought Banana bot after within 20 minutes he the count was just gone. But yeah, I would be very careful on these bots because a new shiny new bot comes out every week in my opinion. I think they're really good tech to use. I think you can make a lot of money actually using the tech. You're buying to the presale tokens or getting involved in one of these tokens, I think is, I just don't know, the shelf
life of some of this stuff. The shelf life is low because the number of users on this stuff is surprisingly low. I think like daily active users on these bots, it's in the single digit thousands. Yeah, it's it's not.
Tiny there's some platforms that do like 100 but yeah it's it's for crypto it's not horrific but I would I would agree with you that it's just there's just that's a smart and this that these are all like with the these are just easy relatively easy for them to make and I think there's really there's ones for airdrops there's one there's some for friend tech right now there are some for ship coin trading like.
What I think we are seeing is on chain tools as a as a whole universe is growing but I don't think you buy any one of them. That being said, I missed Unibot, I'm not saying that you can't. I think Unibot probably has some staying power in this market just because it's seen as like an OG bot now. But I I think be very have a high bar. In the same same way that you invest in mean points have a high bar for bots. Just know that Banana bot did that to unibot.
In a few weeks, somebody else will do that to your bot in a few weeks. There'll always be a new one. There'll always be a new one. Okay look, that was it for today's show. That was a good show. 5-6 points we. Got through it great. Show MSF back. We will be back again tomorrow. The code for today's stubs is cals. COWL Head rug Radio forward Slash Stubs. You'll be able to claim your stubs. We have Alien Queen obviously doing her drop on Friday.
You missed the interview with her yesterday. Nice. But yeah, she's kind of cool. She's like a wreck guy, Facepiece, that's. Cool. See it on stubs. I think it's going to be 10. To burn, so you're going to need to definitely get a lot of stubs to be able to collect them. And just go on to rug. Just go on to open C or whatever, find stubs and you'll be able to find the the passes that you need to commit them. Anyway that was GM Web Three.
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