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FOMO HOUR 198 - THE GREAT APE HEIST!

Sep 12, 202445 minSeason 4Ep. 198
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Crypto rises with stocks after CPI falls again. Bitfinex BTC longs continue to grow. SUI again leads L1s, up 18%. FTX estate unstakes $24m SOL, still has $943m. Binance introduces SOL liquid staking. SWIFT introduces infrastructure for RWA transfers. Pendle launches Bitcoin yield pools. UK makes crypto legal property. India leads crypto adoption for second year. Vitalik won’t advertise L2s with multi-sig security. Based rollups seen as alternative future for ETH. Blockchain music start up raises $50m. Ford & Toyota file blockchain patents.

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Yo, what up? What up? Good morning. Good morning, GMG. Let's see. What is what is Thursday Let's go Holy fuck Thursday September 20244444 look at that another beautiful day to have a beautiful day. I got my Co host in the house. Tyler, how you doing today? I'm doing good. I have a little bit of cold. You might notice it in my voice feeling just it's that time of year. Also, both my kids are in new schools, new classes. This probably has something to

do with it, but I don't know. I'm I'm feeling more and more bullish for Q4. October is coming. October is coming to town, baby, you already know. I'm feeling great about it too, dude. I'm feeling so good about October. You know, Look, every day the month of September ends up the important event in September is over my birthday. So now we can move along like the most important thing every year is September, right? September 7th is when the bull market starts boom, right? I told you guys.

I told. You. We hit the 30th, it'll bounce, Cryptoliti bounce on on my birthday, right? Let's turn 30 from 52 K. And it's been a slow grind up. Now we're just going to, you know, work our way up slowly but surely until October. Then in November, Donnie T is going to take it home. Shala, we hope so or not, and then and then we're we're we're we're going to see a we're going to we're going to we're it's going to be up only for super cycle, right?

That's super cycle of what he's talking about. I even have a bull on my on my on my on my desk. Look at that and and a Penguin. I have a whole ass zoo. I have this they sent me this plushie, the toy that you can like just like throw around. It's been helping me out on the on the on the desk. Anyways Mando how you doing today? Great, man. Yeah, doing that pretty fun. Don't know market seems. Good. We're back. We're kind of back. Yeah, market seems good.

I mean looks like looks like it won 60K before the weekend and it looks like it wants, it wants you know another couple $1000 after that. So the market is looking fantastic. Anyways, today on the show today, today, just a reminder, we are live on video every single day. You already know the vibes and I'll post the broadcasting in a second when I'm done with the intros. But you can catch us on YouTube as usual, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

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So today on the show Daily market report as usual, let's talk about how we're going going to go head back right up to sending $4000 with Mando Tyler's top 101 thousand 1,000,000. Let's see what he's got in store for us. But I think there's a lot to talk about. So some crazy ape sale or whatever yesterday, and I'm sure you want to get in the details of that and a bunch of other stuff going on. Robot spits. Two more. We tweaked the stuff yesterday.

Look, it won't be perfect, but one thing's for sure, we're going to run it the same way as yesterday, but we changed the raffle deal in the back end. Obviously we're not going to tell you guys what the changes are, but one thing's for sure, you have to come up on stage and you have to speak. You don't unmute, you don't win. Sorry, that's what I'm going to do now. Because you don't unmute, I'm going to assume that you're bought.

And if you count on mute, I'm really sorry about that, but but we're going to have to start doing that. So you're going to have to come on stage and on mute to make sure that you are a real human. Anyways, this show is also powered by Galaxies, a no code Web 3 platform that empowers creators and communities to become owners. Check out Galaxies XYZ on X. You can see how to spell the name right at the bottom left or right of the screen and check it

out. But anyways, anyways, anyways, without further ado Mando tell me how the bull market is back. Can you dig it? GM everyone. So yeah, it does feel like we're a little bit back. Bitcoin Sol ETH all higher looks like Bitcoin and Solana slightly beating ETH today. Sui has probably been the main mover in L ones that suffered another 20%. I think it broke above a dollar for the first time in a long time for SUI. So yeah, decent, decent move there. The broader stock market had a

little bit of a wobble. Just when the CPI figure came out and then decided that they liked it, everything started rallying. Stocks are again now kind of close to all time highs. So whatever wobble we had seemingly even brought up, you had a big rally in chip stocks today or at least yesterday after some comment by the the NVIDIA CEO. It does look like it's going to be a 25 bit rate cut. Now next week, we'll just be looking for the guidance from what Jerome Powell says really

in the press conference. It's yeah. So just everything seems to be OK again, like we're heading maybe back towards 60K that that higher low looks a bit more clear now, you know, so I think people are getting a little bit more build up on that being the potential move. We had that like drop back down and then we've rallied back until now. We can kind of hope to build

upon that. I don't know where the liquidation levels are, but I would imagine that there's quite a lot of clusters around that 60K area. So I would say this, it's an above 50% probability here that we had, we had towards 60K in the coming days.

Like I would put like 70 to 80% probability that that happens just because it was a high low and let's just see how far we go. But it feels as though you'll at least have some sort of resistance around 60 K and we'll, we'll see what happens around that. The the obviously you have token, you have break point, which I think people getting getting more bulled up into a lot of expectations, particularly on Solana.

There, there was some news today that FTX, their estate is actually unstaked 25,000,000 of Solana and may look to sell it. They still have around a billion it seems, which I actually wasn't aware of, but I thought they'd gotten out of everything. So but yeah, it looks like if that becomes obviously we've already spoken about the fact that we have some large unlocks happening early next year, but just expect to see quite a few of these headlines over the next three months, I would say.

And people making a big deal out of them. I actually think versus Solanas inflation is actually not that they're not like it's not like crazy. We're talking about like probably closest to like 3% unlocks here three 4% and Solana inflates at like 6 to 7% a year. So but just like you've seen with when Vitalik sells like 400 gram worth of ETH, it's it just creates a lot of flood. So yeah, there was some light flood around Solana there.

Sui has been just gaining ground as like not necessarily in users or anything else like that, just in terms of an L1 that people are seeing as as being a good play here. I I own 0 Sui but yeah maybe something. I think the I think that the Grayscale Trust went launched today. Yeah. So, yeah, the grayscale which was previously announced, they, they, they, they went, they've launched, I think we also

launched an XRP 1 today. So that that's probably partly for it, but yeah, people just generally getting more bullish. So I. Can feel in the air, right? Yeah. Meme coins had an OK day today. It feels as though Pop cat is probably the best performing one out of the major coins. Fog is kind of heading back up towards all time high. The the cat cat. Simon's cat coin of Binance had a big AirDrop on the back of I think from Floki holders. That's rallying pretty hard.

I think it's up to around $200 million now. So yeah, good, good, not incredible. It still feels as though meme coins as a whole are not the best thing. Best sector, at least at the moment, but still not like completely down the dumps. Yeah. Well, guess we'll see where that takes us. Do we have any? You already talked about the numbers we got coming on, but it's it's pretty well that pop cat. Someone's saying pop cat flipping bunk next month.

I mean we'll see. The pop cat's been like really like performing like crazy, huh? Like even versus MOG, when you look at it, it's like 2 XDI think it's like nearly two times the the market cap. Yeah, Pop cat's done. I have all the major Solano meme coins. I mean with with depend on a decent bottom like it's it's. I mean, look at this right? Yeah, but yeah, pop pop, pop. Hat looks good. Looks like it's heading towards a billion. Wow, what about whiff?

Let's see. I mean, I feel like every time I look at whiff it's at 15. Yeah, we've just put in a bottom. It feels like a pretty strong bottom around 15. So we'll see what happens there. Pop Cat looks like it might. It might push on. What is killing us in the DMS? Look at this Sun dog shirt. Shit, that's actually not bad. You're. Joking about it. Jesus 300. Million. They got to buy this thing yesterday I think. Oh, it's true, yeah.

So so sun Dog as the I mean, it's that was also around that sort of level for for a bit. Sundog is just kind of stay where it's at the whole time. Tron meme twins, people talk about them a little less, but it does feel as though Sundog is going to be the what was the one on Avax? The cocky new feels like that's going to dominate that chain for sure. I think a lot of people thought they were just going to go to 0 like super fast, and I guess probably most of the downstream ones did, but.

I mean, AVAX is the next, next month, right? If we're, if we're going to trade events, right. You have Solana's break point next week, which, you know, usually gets it's pretty strong. And then you have AVAX summit. I think it's in Buenos Aires. Yeah, was invited. So like maybe I should go to Argentina, have some nice steaks. I'm just kidding. I'm. I'm not leaving. You'll have to like either pay me a fuck ton of money or put a gun to my head to get me off my chair.

But I know they have their events so maybe, maybe that'll be something. We'll see. It seems like we're rallying around the fence. People are saying the same about Siri. Siri's got its its conference next month, but. I guess that's going to be a new meta, right? Like we we bind to events and we dump into news, you know? That's what we've got left, you know, it does. It does feel as though, yeah, we're maybe returning to the

tech, so to speak. So any of these big announcements around the conferences, people get pretty pulled up about. I think, I think we'll, we'll probably return to like more the left curve stuff when Bitcoin heads back towards yeah. Of course, across the board, like even ordinals and stuff like that, you just, we just got to wait, man. We just got to wait anyway. I mean, Bob Lucas Bush as fuck. I mean, I won't get ahead of it because I know Tyler, I think you got that set up and we got a

few conversations to have. So why don't we segue right into that Whoop 4 daily NFT and crypto analysis. Tyler D on FOMO our calls the kid. Can our top story from today it's it's an NFTS so that an ape crypto punk sold for 10 ETH. It was being called the great the greatest crypto funk heist of all time tied to a fractionalization protocol which is now defunct. We'll get into the story in more detail here in a bit OSF shout

out to OSF. And that's he will redirect all of his personal royalties into wrecked brands signing alignment with the community ethos in the fund growth. And then people is going to host a live election night event at people studios not requiring an NFT and for so if you're around, oh fun. That's gonna be a good one if you're around. We got a lot of macro and international news this morning. Mando touched on it. We saw Grayscale launch the Sui trust.

It's up 20%. They also announced that they're set up to launch the XRP. That's up 8%. E Toro settled with the SEC for 1.5 million and agreed to reduce its crypto services. We saw gold hit a new all time high Coinbase offering a wrapped Bitcoin. I think it's CBWBTC. It's too many letters. CBBTC. Right. CBBTC, yeah, that's it. It'll be usable on ETH and base.

That is a big headline. We saw SWIFT announced a partnership with major banks to connect SWIFT to ETH, Sepoya as it experiments with digital assets. Promethium, this was an interesting story. They went live as the first fully registered crypto special purpose broker. So they're basically the first potentially SEC compliant and they are going to allow trading crypto tokens as securities. So they're effectively saying they are securities. They've got ETH, UNI, ARB, OP

and GRT to start. They did international news as well. So Reuters reported that India has led the way in global crypto adoption for the second year in a row. So crypto growing the most in India. Singapore's usage of stable coins has doubled in Q2 compared to Q1, up to a billion dollars now. Then the UK introduced a bill to classify crypto assets and entities as personal property, giving them certain recognition and protections.

A couple pieces of protocol news before we round out the list. Myriad. Shout out to Myriad share new details about prediction market in a long form article on X, sharing its vision of an interconnected media system where users, creators and advertisers are all rewarded. Go check that out. Also, interestingly, this morning right before the show, the judge from that prediction market Kaushi case, she provided her longer opinion on the case.

She actually did cite that Chevron ruling and how the CFTC does not have authority to go after Kaushi. So it it does seem like the door is opening in the United States for election markets. And then Radium introduced a new burn to earn feature regarding locking concentrated liquidity more easily. And that's it. There's a lot of the a lot of stories to unpack and get into there. There is definitely a lot to unpack. Definitely check out the married article. I actually pin it to the top as

as you mentioned. I mean let's start with this punk set. I mean that was and the story got crazier and crazier and crazier as the day as the tweets started going out. I mean which which which who wrote the best thread so I can share on stream is this. I think SIGAR did, but this was. The one I retweeted I think was the one that broke the story. I think that was a good one. And I, I can kind of help retell it here this morning.

So to set the stage, just six days ago, an ape crypto punk sold for 628. They're about $1.5 million. So that's how valuable these assets are. Well, yesterday afternoon, one sold for 10 ETH. That's why it's being called the greatest crypto punk, highest of all time. So what went down? It was purchased due to what I'm calling like a contract loophole and a now defunct fractionalization site. It was fractionalized on Niftex years ago. That site is no longer functional.

There were 10,000 shares of the punk distributed across several holders. It remained fractionalized on the site and in the ESCO contract even though the site had become dysfunctional. Fast forward to roughly 2 weeks ago, someone figured out the the loophole in this contract allowing a buyout with a 14 day grace period for holders to

accept or reject the buyout. But if they didn't reject it and they had to reject it by bidding a slightly higher amount so you just couldn't say no, you had to effectively do a counter bid if if the if no shareholders did that, the buyout would go through. So the high star submitted a .001 ETH bid per share. That's 10,000. That's 10 ETH in total. Yesterday it went through and they're able to acquire the the Punk for 10 ETH. But the story gets worse. So there was a failed block

attempt. Notable 8 Punk owner G Money had tried to block the buyout from happening. He was apparently alerted to the situation late on Tuesday. He is notably an 8% holder of the share, so one of the bigger holders as well. He tried to block the buyout by betting .0000018 per share. That's not enough. It had to be at least point OO1 ETH or higher for a successful

block. No one realized this, apparently, including G Money. The block failed, but the heister ended up getting the Punk for 10 ETH and it already has a 600 bid on this thing so that the person is looking at a $1.4 million flip here. I mean congratulations OSF that's that was impressive eyes that he just pulled. I mean he's got 2 aliens and an ape now, which is really impressive. So here's the craziest part

right? So they had to bid 0.0010000001 ETH and they bid 0.001 and so they missed it. So G Money submitted counterclaim of 0.000001 ETH. He was short by one. Sorry he was short. At this point. If any other shareholder could have been 10,000 way 210 trillionths of a cent, it would have blocked it. So they were short by 2/10 trillionth of a set. This is insane. Can we? Also, is this really a heist?

I think that that's the debate. I mean, clearly, like it's not like they didn't actually steal it. Like they, they went through the rules of the smart contract. So, so there's nothing illegal about it. I think there's debates of whether or not it's ethical. I, I'm on the camp that it's likely an unethical thing to do. Just kind of putting myself into camp of the, the, the

shareholders here. My I've got a little bit of a it's not quite tinfoil hat, but I guess the as I've been thinking about this and and chatting with a few friends. Why did anyone go public with this like that? That's my so at least a handful of people knew about this and apparently we're all just chatting in DMS about this.

Like you're going to let a $1.5 million asset go for 23K without alerting people who like the people the the devs like OX, Quint, Segar, these guys could solve this in 15 minutes but no one did. Why not? Like were they all planning to to do their own take orders? That's my tip. I I saw G Money tweet about this the day before he actually put it up. Oh, he did. Yeah. Yeah. So he did tweet, but he didn't say why. No, he didn't exactly, he said. Who's the founder of Niftex? He didn't.

He said, who's the founder of Niftex? I need to speak to somebody urgently. And I mean, I was just like, oh, I have no idea what's going on. He could. I mean, what he did there was the minimum increase in bid that you possibly could do, right? So maybe G Money was also trying to steal this.

That's why I think so too. Or maybe he was trying to do it in a funny, like maybe he wasn't trying to steal it, maybe just guessed that the like it was going to be a pointless thing where they'd both be driving it up and and that would be dumb. But G money increased it by the minimum possible amount, which makes me think that yeah, like he wanted to play a game maybe and see, and he just didn't calculate it correctly. Yeah, I mean, that's crazy. Giovanni didn't call his hat.

He said it's an ARP. The smart contract worked as intended. If you want decentralized systems, you have to take the good with the bad. It's part of the game. It's why we're here. If you don't like those rules, you probably shouldn't be playing because last I checked I don't think code is law. He's defending the high star gives more credence to.

I don't want to come out and accuse him of too much, but it's also it seems like the rationale with someone who perhaps was was looking to play the the same game themselves might say. Yeah, sure. He was trying. I mean, he's, I think he's pretty open that he was trying to play the same game. Like you would only do a bit like that if you were, well, you were probably maybe did it like as a joke, you know, like, oh, you missed that. Are you guys saying G money's behind this?

No, he's not behind it at all. I don't think he's behind it, no. But he, I think he was clearly trying to do the same sort of, I don't know, funny win as this other guy was. He just miscalculated it. But it is crazy he didn't tell anyone. Yeah, like, hey, even I kind of because it was then be another two weeks, right? You would assume so.

Funny. Maybe he hoped that it'd be like a an auction in the back where he he would be able to win it if it went up to a certain level or something like that. He said he was informed by rent. And it wasn't his bid, was it? It was actually the gas that he didn't put up. He went for the minimum, but the gas didn't put it through because it was on to the gas. Which is kind of why when you think about it. That's it.

It's a 10,000 weigh. I reached out to two blocks in Chaz. I know Jason the owner. That's crazy. He was 0.00000000000001 ETH off it's. Brutal. And now there's a 600 ETH bid. We know the guy who's got it, right? It's he PFP D it. What's his name? Really. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's we do. Hold on. Dee's told me. There you go. It's this guy. Apparently it's this guy. DX Cozy. Yeah. Wow, I missed this detail. Apparently it's over here. Yeah, yeah, that's what Sobi and these were saying.

And then they sent me this link. Did he post about it? He did. Yeah, he did, he says. You know, when you think about in GCR terms, tennis is fair value in USD so. Wow, yeah, it looks like this. This actually might be the person's one it. Is it is? And then he answered. New punk floor was just set. So what are we thinking? What do they think they do? Are they going to sell it? I think they're going to hold. It, I mean, I've already slammed this. I wouldn't take 600 E, dude,

this thing is worth. Let's go look at how much this thing is actually worth. Yeah. It's a fair, it's a fair offer. 620 the last one before. I think you take 6, I mean liquid. I take 600 right away because you know, money's money, you know? Yeah, but I also mean like, you don't want to be sitting there with a. It's a weird punk. With a lawsuit on your hands, you know just. Yeah, but who's going to sue

him? That all the people that collectively own the piece when the guy with 8% just admitted that it's fair game? Like literally G money went on the record saying it's fair game, right? So who else was the major owner of this? Who was the original owner? Surely they probably had the major chairs. Let's find out. So let's go to the apes. Let's go to ape. It's 24. I mean, it's this one, right? Yes. Wow, it hasn't had. Wow, it's been Look at Danny bid on this in 2020.

So funny. Of course it. Did Broken Angels sold it to Mr. T Punks? Mr. T Punks wrapped it and you It looks like there was this guy that then wrapped it, right? Transfer look to this. Yeah, on September 11th. No, see, that's what that was yesterday, Yeah. That was yesterday. So it looks like it's this guy Mr. T Punks. Held it for four years. How did you assume that he would? He would still have owned.

You know, normally when they did this fractionalization, they kept people, kept hold of the majority of the shares. Yeah. It looks like it was Mr. T. It looks like. Wow, look at the bids on that thing back then it was 900 E. Fuck. What's the heck? OK, so what's the top bit on an ape right now? So floor 8, last ape sold six days ago for 628. So yeah, I guess 600 is fair value, though this is a nicer ape. You could argue, but I don't know I guess. It's nicer but it's tainted it like now.

This is the Heist ape. Yeah, but that's. That's bullish, though. That straight away at six. 100 I'm taking the six. 100, I mean, 600 is a lot of Solana, absolutely. Why not just go straight to Popcap? Dude, absolutely, you know buy some fucking mog and and and buy some Solana. You know that's 600 is a lot of soul, you know anyway, so look, congratulations to the winner here. You know, it looks like looks like you just backed the 600 ETH day. So Congrats on on that for sure.

Maybe more to unfold the story. Let us know if you guys think it's the highest in the comments. We'll be able to read some out loud. But it seems that the people seem to people seem to think that this is our heist. So, so we'll see. We'll see where that takes us. Everyone likes a good heist story, you know what I mean? What are some of the crazy? I feel like there's been crazier heist though.

Like when we talk about heist like these like crazy, like hacks, like people have lost, like I don't know how many apes in one go. You know, I feel like there's been like some crazier, crazier, crazier heights here. Anyways, Tyler, what else he got for us? So Ovie, I mean, it's it's ironic that Ovie goes full generous on his art. The day that you know that he wins an 8. You know, he just made six degrees. Unbelievable. I saw you respond to him, Amanda.

I'll call him a bloke. I mean, tell us more about that. Couldn't stop being such a good bloke. You know, he's just always doing this sort of random stuff. I mean, I knew about this for a long time, but it was, it was just kind of funny. He just, he just always can give new ways to just like give out it for free. That's like basically his whole mantra. I like it. Yeah, I like it too. I guess I'll share some some more details of the story for

our listeners here. So yesterday OSF didn't announce 100% of future revenues and royalties from all of his new artwork will be earned by Wrecked Brands. It's a rolling 12 month agreement. The funds will be used to to fund the growth of Wrecked Brands and also he noted to to give an edge in working with larger brands. I want to come back to that in a second. He also tasted some exciting new

drops coming. So look out for more coming from OSF here and perhaps Q4. I like the the brand equity that you build with with this, like with the community ethos that they're giving it back. I think it is a differentiator. You know, I think for partners kind of looking to see who they want to connect with, advertise with, partner with, it's a good,

it's a good story, yeah. I think, I think some of the previous like it when I don't know doodles or one of the other people, like they actually partner with a web 2 firm, it's often like, Oh yeah, this is a big deal. This helps our bags. But this is more like because they everyone owns equity now in this company, right? Like this is this is purely like you, you basically get a a

marketing group, right? Like people that will probably buy the product, but also want to tell all their friends about it. Whereas before it was more like you got some exclusive digital collectible that like you hoped some, some person in the future would come in back.

I would like if you do this with consumer goods, like people will come in and really wanted to do well and they'll tell a lot of people that you have like, you know, I don't have any shareholders we have, but I think it's like 1000 / 1000, I think something around that sort of level. But yeah, it's it's a good, good spot to be in, I think. And then this is another example. Yeah, you can do different deals. Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll see what comes next.

I can't wait to see his next art, that's for sure. It's been a while since he dropped some one of ones. Got a big one, got a big one coming. Oh, really? You. Got some alpha for us. No, no. It was a good break. I mean, the market, like I feel like we needed the slow down, but it feels a little bit the water's a little warmer. It's not ice ice cold in the, the digital art market these days. You know, we've seen the momentum in X copy.

Yeah, so I mean, we could use another like open edition season, you know, open. Edition season. I don't know if we'll have another one of. Those I'm playing, so that's good. That's what's happening on base. Now we know what their orange. They're teasing the orange logo yesterday. Now we know what the tease is. Exactly, but they base has been teasing this orange logo thing, right? I don't know what it is. Is this is that the Bitcoin? It's. Bitcoin Orange.

Yeah, yeah. It's for their Rep Rep Bitcoin product CBBTC. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So tell us more about the CBBTC announcement. Yeah. So Coenbach's rolled out CBBTC. It's an ERC 20 token. It's back to 1 to one by Bitcoin. It is held in Coinbase custody. This allows users to bridge their Bitcoin into the ETH and base ecosystem. So this allows them to access and basically use Bitcoin in D5. That's one of the big drivers for this. You can use this Ave. compound curve so you can lend borrow.

You actually use your your Bitcoin as more of a collateral in these platforms. They say the process is pretty streamlined. Send Bitcoin to an Etherbase address via Coinbase. They'll automatically convert it into CDPC for you and then conversely do the reverse conversion if you want to, to exit. So I think it's, it's got to be like slightly bullish Bitcoin here, right? You know, it's more potential supply locked up in the Ethereum defy ecosystem.

I think it's bullish base, you know, they're continuing to to drive and push more assets and liquidity into the base ecosystem. So seems like a pretty positive all around. Yeah, absolutely crushing it. Defy's so back. Vitalik in shambles. In other news, I mean, Defy seems back. I mean, that's the main narrative on on the timeline since that article has been defy honestly, a lot of positive news coming up. So you absolutely love to see

that. In other news, I mean, you know, that's also I guess that's why that's why OSF decided to to do this thing again. OSF leading in charge. India leads global crypto adoption for second year in a row and that's how many users, how many users are we talking about he's. From Bangladesh. Well, at least his his parents are, so that's pretty funny. No, he's not. Yeah, they are. There they are. Well, my bad.

How many users are we talking about in India, 'cause I think in China there's like 40 million crypto holders. So you're telling me they're beating that? So I'm trying to skim this article. This is from Reuters. They they broke the news yesterday. So he's in crypto adoption? Because that's impressive, because I look for a fact like China's like 40 something million holders of cryptocurrency, right? Which is which?

Is a well, China, China probably does, but no one's going to report that they aren't cryptocurrency. It's all illegal. India easily wins this. I think in terms of crypto adoption. It's like I think after India, like it may be the USI. Don't. I don't know. It should be the US, right? Countries with most. Well, this is this is growth though. So this is looking at which countries I believe.

I'm trying to see this, I don't. Think India would beat the US for even just our right holders as well? So by percentage of this so here check this out. I don't know what yours this from what's yours this from Hold on, let me OK in 2023, right, which is actually pretty interesting. This is percentage of people actually live in the percentage population, right? So the UAE is number one because 30% of its population owns crypto. But obviously the population is

like very small. So it's like, you know, nine people, Vietnam, USA, Iran, let's go Philippines, Brazil, Saudi, Singapore, Ukraine and Venezuela. I mean, India also has like a ton of people live in a country. So it's probably that's why it's slower per percentage of its people. But it's pretty impressive numbers here. Sometimes in these countries like in India and things like Indonesia, like a lot of it is

held only on exchanges I think. I think that's why there was that recent hack was Xerox which was hacked in India. And that's a. Massive deal in India because I think the vast, vast majority of people hold it on the exchange itself. I actually don't even think you can withdraw to crypto from some of the centralized exchanges. You can only withdraw to rupees. So for a lot of there's a lot of Indian people on chain, they they hold it on exchange.

I think that's the case with a lot of different Asian countries, but I'm not sure about Indonesia. I know there's an Indonesian hack recently as well, but like on chain is actually not that big a thing for many countries in crypto. Got it. A lot of it's a lot of it's through the exchanges like South Korea as well. Like majority of stuff is Unchained. Like that's why all the telegram, you know, the the like the whenever there's a telegram

new coin on the ton ecosystem. I mean like dogs, they're always like the AirDrop is actually done via Binance or via OK, XI. Don't know if you ever see that, but like generally they'll do it via a centralized exchange. Interesting. OK, OK. Yeah, that that's the thing, because the government over there does not align with crypto at all. I mean, we got someone just writing this, but I remember having we had someone working for us that was based there and we had to stop paying crypto

because it was actually. What is the 30% tax? I think if you take it out and. It taxes right away, yeah. Only off ramps are are not even to banks. It's like the P to P services. So like, it's like a disaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's tough from. India and you have to pay them, you have to pay on PayPal because it's just such a you have to 1st you tax 30% and the second thing is it's really difficult to get on and off even though there's a huge amount of you have to do it via

centralized exchanges. OK, Yeah, it's true because recently Arjun's saying, and it's true, we reported on that news. Finance was banned originally, but then recently, yeah, right. So so there was, they came back there. So it seems like, it seems like we have some people reporting live from there. So it's awesome. We had live news. Anyways, Tyler talking about protheum. I'm interested about this one because isn't that literally a like, aren't they literally feds?

Like is that literally the SEC that planted protheum? So this is like the the group of people who are going the the purely compliant path. So for me, but nobody. Knows them right? Like they're non existent people. Oh, yeah. I, I don't recall in, in the research I did this morning, I didn't see, you know, who's behind this and I didn't know that, but well, what they are, they're crypto platform registered as a special purpose broker dealer with the SEC.

Yesterday they officially launched their custody services for digital securities. They're going to support ETH, Uniswap, Arbitrum optimism and the graph. GRTI thought that was an interesting 5th inclusion. They're positioning themselves as a compliant one stop shop for crypto custody and then in the near future they plan to expand

into to trading. I think that that the interesting part of the story here is they they are trying to test the assumption of crypto tokens as securities and then aim to to prove that they can enable got legal custody and interning of crypto tokens as securities. Assuming that they are, they're they're Co CEO Aaron Kaplan, he said. We're trying to be the PayPal of the digital asset industry. But these guys are literally feds. Look at them like there's an AI

that made those photos. Fuck these guys, I hate these. Honestly fuck them and look at the comments. I love how their news got like 7 likes right and the comments are comment #1. I believe I speak for the entire space when I say you're bad actors attempting to profit off the pulsalization of the SEC. It's unethical at best, scummy at worst. CT does not welcome you. Second comment. No one cares about you and your ties to Gare bear trash and then you guys are criminals.

I mean these guys must be the most hated people in crypto, right? Tyler or Fed? Wait. Tyler, are you? I'm just reporting on the story. Who told you to report on this, Tyler? It's all over. Oh, fuck. OK, OK. Hold on. What's interesting about this I, I think I saw a tweet I saw on the other side. So you know that in the etoro settlement, they basically said that ETH is not a security. I just saw that right before the show. Yeah. Does anybody? Use these names aren't superior.

It's like why? Why does the Birmingham business model matter at all? That's the that's the question are. You. Defending. That's something a Fed would say, A. White guy from Chicago too. That's crazy though. PNC was just there, you know. Yeah. Isn't she? Probably. Super democratic and everything too. Yes, that that is a fact. Ando. Where's Promethean based? Yeah, actually where's? Westwood, Chicago. You know what? You. Know what? We're definitely taking this

one. Let's so from let's let's, let's do some research. Let's yeah, when you see in the future of markets, let's see a a company, a company contact us. What are they saying? Oh yeah. They don't want anyone coming to that where they live, it seems. Company. Surely they have an address? Promotium, I mean I'm sure you can search in the registry Promotium Capital company database.

All X bank employees kind of similar to Tyler Well that's gonna be fun about these guys all right I'll get back to you when I when. I I might be in trouble here. Promotion Ember Capital. Promethean Exchange. Oh no, this one's Wall Street. If that's no, they're not Ember Capital. That's not them. Oh, no, they're they're based on Wall Street. They're based on Wall Street, yeah. Mark's safe. And nobody look, nobody has ever heard of these fuckers. They all look the same.

No one's ever heard of these people that this guy doesn't even have a LinkedIn. Let me let me let me check out Aaron Kaplan's LinkedIn. All right, let's. Go, I think that aligns with most crypto companies. I always think about this during conferences. I feel like there's these these the two cohorts, there's like the crypto Twitter cohort and there's different niches in crypto Twitter and then there's like the institutional side and the two do not seem they had any overlap.

Like what's so? What's so? Yeah. I know there's one employee in there. No, they have a, they have a number of employees it looks like. But for now, it looks like they've they are based in yeah, they're based in New York, which is a shame. But I guess I guess you're in the clear for now. Yeah, I agree with that. And there's also like the whole beak Bitcoin ecosystem as well. I feel like it's so separate to

a lot of the rest of crypto. Like there was a big thing today that like Pendle as well as doing a Bitcoin yield product and like it gets immediately snapped up like there was that what's the name of the, the, the, the doing liquid staking on on Bitcoin natively. I think it's like Babylon or something but like. Huge amounts of capital just moves into these things and everyone else just doesn't really hear about what's going on. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's a, it's definitely an interesting one

for sure. Just a little update for everyone on this thing. Looks like a raffle bot is down. Yeah. Yeah, let me try it. Looks like a raffle bot. It's not loading. Yeah, it's not loading for me either. So it's not loading for anyone. So here's what we're going to do. We we're still going to go on for a few minutes, so we have more topics to cover, but let me make the rules very clear now. So everybody's on the same page

here. You need to be all the spaces you need to follow Myriad markets, Robit and FOMO hour, of course. So all three of them, Myriad Markets, Robit and FOMO hour and you need to retweet the pin. The tweet that's pin Hell yeah, I'm going to I'm going to push my own shit. So so repeat the pin link hello myriad Robit and FOMO hour and be on the Twitter spaces. I'm going to pick 2 lucky people to win crypto punks today because let me tell y'all, y'all are going to win crypto punks

today. That's for sure. But but that's why it wasn't working site is working. I mean, sorry, I guess it's. The entry code part you can't enter the code so we'll just. Go with what you've said. OK, it's the, it's the entry code. It's not the website, it's not that that's not working. Is the entry code part? Yeah, you can't submit a code at all. So it's not the website's broken. I can't enter a code at all. Sorry guys. So this is how we're going to be

in Today's code was funny. Today's code was Mendel's shirt. So maybe we'll keep that code for another day as as that is not working. Tyler, Mr. Tyler, what else you got for us today? This seems like you've had a lot to share. Today a lot came through this this morning yeah dude, I gave the lead in so relevant to to myriad and prediction markets. Yes, we we got Judge Gia Cobb.

She published her long form opinion on that that Kaushi ruling where she ruled in favor of them and their lawsuit against the CFCCFTC trying to say she basically says they didn't have the authority to conduct this review that led to them blocking Kaushi from from listing political prediction markets in the US. And this is important because the CFTC is considering banning all exchanges on its watch from listing these prediction markets and she says they exceed their

statutory authority. Contracts do not involve unlawful activity or gaming. It does look like she yes. So she did in fact cite the previous Chevron defense precedent. So we talked about that when it broke and how that it would be important. Now we're already starting to see some examples of where it is having a major impact in court rulings, impacting protocols that we all are potentially going to use. That's interesting. I, I didn't know that it was

because of Chevron ruling. That's actually super good. I mean, good for us, right? I think so. I mean, I'll take it. I'll definitely take that. Which is, which makes everything a little bit easier. I mean, damn. It's a weird entry, right? When I started getting deeper into prediction markets this year, it was largely because Bunny wanted to to bet on, on Biden dropping out effectively it just and they didn't want to do it. They didn't want to go through like the VPN hurdles and whatnot.

So I think if if those get broken down, it will be in the on board, a pretty big on boarding advantage at least for folks in the US. Yeah, that's, that'll definitely help a lot. I mean, I find it ridiculous that you have to like geofence, like the position markets that are in USDC markets, etcetera, just like it just makes no sense. Like it's just a regular, you know what I mean? Like you're allowed to gamble in most places, right? I don't know.

It's, it's going to be interesting to see where that, that, that legislation goes. But even before though, like it wasn't much, like it wasn't even the SEC level. It was like CFTC had a bunch of like no action letters that were sent out to Polymarket and whatnot. And the past, I think Polymarket had to pay like $1,000,000 fine, $2,000,000 fine in, in a couple of years ago. So it was. It was never much.

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