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DeepSeek Rattles Markets, FED decision this Week, Abstract Launches Today

Jan 28, 202549 minSeason 4Ep. 280
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BTC dives on DeepSeek’s impact on tech stocks. FOMC this week also blamed for de-risking. Liquidations hit $500m, funding rates flip negative. MicroStrategy buys $1.1bn more BTC. BTC heading for $70-75k: Hayes. BTC dominance rises back to 60%. Elon wants blockchain for government .efficiency. Cheaper LLMs will just lead to more demand: Pal. IBIT applies for in-kind creation and redemption. $1.9bn weekly inflows to crypto ETPs. Kraken faces setback in case against SEC. Jupiter acquires Moonshot to bolster trading. JUP up 20%, announces new fees & buyback model. Crypto hiring has ‘come roaring back’. Republicans launch debanking investigation. a16z shuts London office and exits UK.

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Yo-yo yo-yo what up, what up? Good morning, good morning GMG Monday. Oh baby Monday January 27th, 2025. Look at that another beautiful day to have a beautiful day. I got my Co host in the house, Tyler Mando. Good morning boys. How you doing today? Yeah, I'm doing all right. I woke up this morning, everything was down horrifically and then the US has come in and kind of saved us as as per usual. As per usual, the America dude, fuck yeah. You know America dude. God Bless America. Tyler.

Tyler loves to hear that. Tyler. Tyler must be like euphoric at the fact they were like US Maxis now. Like, you know what I mean? It's like we're logging. It's like we're just going to do this every Monday every day and Monday I'm I'm going to up and Bitcoin's going to be 98,000 down 6% from Sunday and all of our memes are going to be down 45% And then we're going to be back at, at support by market open at at 8:45. It's just. It sure feels that way, Tyler.

It sure as hell is starting to feel that way in the market right now. I mean, every Sunday we're dumping. Every Monday morning we're dooming. And then by the time, you know, I'm at the desk for the show, it looks like things start to look better. But my memes are decimated. You know, it's a, it's a class thing. And then turn around Thursday comes in and, you know, everyone's bullish again. And we do it all over again.

We get over before work on Saturday, we get excited and we wake up on Sunday, you know, and, and it's over again. So, you know, so now the trading hours are are Shabbat only, you know, so sunset Friday, sunset Saturday, you know, just just take your profits during that. This is the new trading hours. And then just get off, you know, just get off. It's the other way around now. Benny's going to have to adjust

his schedule here around this. Anyways, today on the show today, today as usual, let's go through the market. Let's go through Tyler's top 100. There's a lot to discuss today, American AI versus Chinese AI. I mean, that is the big headline. I made sure to read a lot of articles yesterday so I could become a subject matter expert for you guys. IMA AM AM A in the in the in the in the in the thing.

Maybe we should go and try deep seek and see what it tells us because I don't know it was down this morning. I'm just waiting for Iranian GPT Tyler Stop 100 and then a robot spin. So today, this week, it's all day every day. Sorry, every day. So because we skip Friday, you can blame at The Sims for that THESIMMS and I'm just playing with them. But anyways, we're doing today every every single day, five

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Can you dig it? Yeah, bit of a rocky start as to Monday, to be honest. It's not really the majors. Bitcoins barely down now had hit as low as around 98 K and then

rebounded actually at 97 1/2. Wow and then we bounded all the way back up to around one O 2 now and is now I guess deciding if it wants to continue to go higher or head back lower the IT did hurt alts a lot more so Bitcoin dominance is back up to 60% so yeah pretty horrific well 59.3 but pretty horrific move there across the board that goes from things like Slama down 5% down to around 2:30 area ETH ETH was was it below 3K again today No, just stop short of being below 3K and then it's now

backed up to 3100. So those are both down like 3 to 5%. And then some of your more spicy alts, let's say, are down a lot more. So if you go down the list, most of the AI coins, the AI agent market cap back down to 10 billion, which is just above 10 billion. Let's say memes this long meme coin market cap down to 17 billion at one stage this morning. I think it's pretty rebounded slightly since then, but pretty horrific move there kind of down, down the, down the, the spectrum.

Nothing was really saved to be honest. The only coin that was higher in the top 100 as I when I did it this morning was Jupiter. And that was on the back of them announcing a buyback, adding some fees and and doing a buyback. So apart from that, everyone was pretty, pretty knocked off by this. I guess we'll go into it, but it's, there's a couple of things. Firstly, it's a bit of a macro week. So you have a bunch of tech earnings and you have the FOMC this week.

So they all decide interest rates this week. So like last time, it will largely be around, although they're expected to keep rates unchanged. It will be largely be around their guidance. It was the guidance that threw things off last time. Trump is still talking about tariffs to certain countries, Canada and Mexico. Steel tariffs were mentioned again, but then it's kind of all with the same hand also offering

trade deals. So I don't really know what the Fed's going to say there if they're going to be pre emptive, but that's caused a lot of let's say stress. But the main thing was this was this fear suddenly over AI, basically just the whole trade, which has been over the last what two years really has been this AI super trade, NVIDIA being the NVIDIA being the starlet of of that trade.

And over the last, well, over the last week, I would say there's been a new model that's come out out of a company out of China. Deepseek is its name. And it's been done at a fraction of the cost and well, seemingly a fraction of the cost then. And is its reasoning model actually beat the ChatGPT 01 model, which has been there like breakthrough reasoning model as well.

So a lot of questions about why if there's been overspend in the US on this sort of technology, the huge CapEx spends by a lot of these companies into AI, whether the the GPU's that Nvidia's been making will be will be needed really in this world. And that was, you know, naturally crypto just dumped on the back of that, even though because we're the only market that's open on a weekend. So everyone's smashing every single coin they had lower.

You had Arthur Hayes and Anson calling for 75 K Bitcoin for for the multiple multiple times at this stage. And yeah, just like AI would say clearly in clearly like a bit of hysteria across the timeline, this was suddenly going to upend the American AI ascendancy, let's say. But that seems to have calmed down. And I think there's still a lot of questions about it. We're going to a bit more in depth and sure with Tyler, so I'll leave that. But that, that's the main thing

that's worrying people. And stocks have gone lower. They're not the let me look at where NVIDIA is right now. NVIDIA is down 100. And 24 it's not done that much right. Well, it's down 13%. That's a decent movement. NVIDIA, I had it for them, yeah. I've been down a decent amount on Friday, too. This is the first time you've really seen some weakness that's saying NVIDIA. The NASDAQ is down 2 1/2

percent. Interestingly, this has not been what you've really seen here for the last month or so is that the NASDAQ has been underperforming the S&P. There's been a lot of talk about how, you know, we can have a more broader base rally in the US now and it might not just be the magnificent 7 stocks. And that's been, that's been a trend for the last month or so. So this is kind of just extended

that a little bit. So the, the, the S&P is only down 1.71 point 8%, which isn't that isn't that crazy. So I don't think I don't think he's saying anything to like go, I don't know, the US is going to be fine. It feels like it's what people are saying. But this may, this may call into question some of the really high AI spend at the moment by some of the magnificent sevens. So that's the main take away for crypto.

Like honestly, other than the correlation to tech stocks, if you if you look at it from a micro standpoint, I don't think this is bad. Like some of the stuff that we've been doing has generally been kind of wrappers of these of these LLMS. And if there's a cheaper one that allows you to do more that that generally allows us to do more with the tech. And that was generally the take from the the open source community in crypto as well that like this was going to be a good thing.

It's difficult to imagine it wouldn't be a good thing. But from a macro standpoint, like I said, we're the only market open on a Sunday. People just want to smash risk assets. It happens. And so Bitcoin, I think particularly, you know, when Europa Europares are waking up drinking their coffee on a Monday. So how was the Europause? It's easier to sell, man. Like when I'm sitting there in a

cafe just. You know this is old man, though he did say I just now we caught him, ladies and gentlemen. Not for me. Caught him? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So let's see, let's see what happens. I I don't, I don't think this is going to be as bad as people think it is. I also think demand will just increase to to match the GP, the like the NVIDIA style GPU. So, but it does tell you that you can, we can maybe have made a step change in the way to do these LLMS.

Are we really, are we really going to we don't have to get into the debate of that, but are we really going to get into like, are we really going to believe the country that lies about their own GDP or like everything, every other data about how much it cost to to build somewhat of a ChatGPT competitor here? Like, is this what's happening right now in in in the world? Well, firstly, it just went

down. But the second thing I, I don't know, I, I even, it's, it's kind of how they've decided to do it seemingly that that's kind of caught people's eye. Like there are some some differences in the methodology rather than just the cost, which makes me think that maybe there is some truth to, to this. Like, I don't think it's something you just like automatically dismiss. What I would be very unsurprised to see now is Western economies banning this new version, this LLM.

It's already got like censorship around it too. They'll probably take the tech, they'll take the the the the way that they did it and incorporate into their own models and they'll just continue on. Yeah, I think what this does mean is like, yeah, maybe there is a cheaper way to do LLM. So we've been looking at that. Remember we had the Erebro guys on Friday and I asked that exact question. I exhaust how expensive is it to create an open source LLM?

I literally asked that exact question on Friday because I'd heard whispers around this sort of stuff and he said, you know, it's like a couple of million a month. You know, this sounds much cheaper than that, but yeah, I whether it's whether it's true or not, I think the the result will be if it is true, then this model will be banned. I'm almost certain of it. And that you will get and they'll just take the tech. Yeah, it will get the TikTok treatment. Is that what comments are

saying? Yeah. What's up, Tyler? That's a core, a core part of this whole like AI race, right? Is like when you're open source, everyone can just take it. Correct. And build right on top of that. I, I feel like this is overall going to be a net positive. I think there probably is some here. I think there's probably also a chance that they're fudging the numbers a bit. But I feel like what the real reality is, is stock market's

been trading at all time high. S&P 500 hit an all time high on January 23rd. And when you everything is priced to perfection, any type of volatility hits the market and you sell off. And we have a very volatile week

ahead. And like the the the traditional analysts, they're just like us. They have to come up with a narrative to say why everything's selling off when it could just purely be just, you know, selling and taking some risk off the board ahead of a week where we don't know if Powell's going to come in hawkish or dumbest. We we have very little insight to that and we have who briefly put on 25% tariffs on Colombian coffee yesterday and then.

They fucked around and they found out no. Fucked around and found out very quickly we're. Going to have to talk about that one too. That adds a little extra volatility to the to the global economy. I mean, you guys can get your coffee in so many different places, right? You know, you make great coffee in Burundi, like incredible, like Arabic coffee is incredible. You know, African coffee is pristine, pristine, specifically Burundi coffee for the coffee fish and the fish and others out

there. But yeah, you're right. I mean all this as to it. I mean, what do you guys think about this take and then let's go into the topics. I thought that was probably the best tweet of the weekend. Marc Andreessen tweeting out deep seek R1 is AI Sputnik moment. One of you 2 sent this to the chat. I think I thought that was quite a quite the take no, and I agree with you Tyler, that this is probably good for AI for the world like technology, like you know, competition breeds innovation.

No, like so I I was very confused about the immediate like you know market that they dump overall. If anything, we might be driving more spend into AI in America just as the the global race heats up. It's like this is the you can make an argument. This is the final race that matters. So why is my far coin down on the news that Chinese AI is taking over? You know, let's, if we're going to talk about that, I mean, you know, what's going on here,

boys. You know, I, I thought, you know, by this time next week, my call was 18 billion. We did go back to 17 billion midweek. And then, you know, Chinese AI came into play. So what, who's building a cookie dot fund? But for Chinese meme coins, you know what is the Chinese far coin boys? Yeah, I think, I think it just it ties into what we were saying before with Trump. You know, the people are very, very scared to own tokens.

This was this. It hasn't just gone from 18 to 10. Right, it was. It was at. 13 or 12 before this. This was just the final like, oh, the whole market's about to. I mean, people honestly calling for 75 K on a 2% dip, like of course it's going to start scaring people. And I think a lot there was some there was some crazy levels when I woke up this morning, like I put them in the chat, right? Like, I mean, there's still, I guess I haven't really bounced that much, but.

Not really. Down. We're down crazy amounts Fart coin was trading at. Where was it, 800? No way. Oh $0.90 briefly. Oh wait, this. That kind of hit one of the levels we're looking for here. 30 million it hit AI 16 ZI mean AI think it's barely bounced but. Yeah, that's probably never bouncing there. Was so many like coins that you've heard of below 100 million, right like. Wow. Fog was below 100 million. I mean, the whole memes conversation, that's another combo. Yeah, that's that.

I saw the ice knife viral tweet this weekend about pop cat fog and and and a bunch of other animal memes with this is just not by the way, I don't community members to take it personally when we named them. It's just the most iconic ones. I guess that you name right. So it's like you look over the reason Pepe mob, like all of them. Everything's man. What happened there? Everything's getting smashed, dude.

It's not. I mean, This is why, because I know you know there's always a tweet saying they're funny to post right? Oh, why is everyone freaking out Bitcoin still one O 2K. But the truth is, nobody's owned bit nobody. No one's Bitcoin. So that doesn't help, right? So you know, listen comfy in JRP. Shout out to my quant you had. Been destroyed if I hadn't got you in that thing. Like I was thinking about the portfolio the first thing this morning. I was like, Oh my God.

Because only like it's it's froze to lend this stuff. And I was like, no, I think, I think he got out. I appreciate you guys thinking about me on the Monday morning. I appreciate the I appreciate you guys thinking about me on the Monday morning. He's a lot. He's got a moment this morning where I think you would have. You would have been. I don't think I would have showed up on the show. I'm pulling in sick for the show

sort of stuff. The tricky thing about the AI sector is, like we we've all said, like we knew this was a bubble. We thought the bubble was going to get bigger. There's no like relative values here. There's nothing, yeah. How do you, how do you justify that, that this is the number and this is where it should rebound? It's it's just all so, so new, like the sector didn't three months ago. I mean, to be fair, like, you know, I think we just got a wake up call in the true.

I mean, I had a tweet for some reason yesterday, my tweet like did numbers. I mean, it's good for my yap points here, but so I was just kind of people were freaking out last night. So I was just like, let me just like, maybe explain to people like change perceived value,

like what it means or something. So it's like after this thing, look, China could be lying for its worth, but for now, like there's a change in perceived value of like how much cost to build AI. So now you have a change Percy value on our, I guess meme coins associated to that. But The thing is, our meme coins associated today are worth 0 for the most part. And we all know that when we buy them, right? Like like we, I love the XBTI, love all these coins been in and out of them.

I love these terminals. I love everything that's been built, But like they're not really worth like like when OK, we use cookie dot fun every day. I love cookie dot fun shots of the team. So beast is not personal, but when it's worth 200 and something $1,000,000, I'm like that. I'm like, this is like a Masari for like AI, like, you know, I mean like for tracking coins and it's value of $200 million, you know what I mean?

Like if you put your rationale like investor hat on or whatever, like would you Angel in that a $20 million valuation, guys? I don't think you would. And so, you know, it's tough, right, to bounce back from that. So we'll see where it goes, but I don't think either of us think it's over. So don't worry everyone, the boys are still bullish. Agree. I think that the challenge is like the sector. I think the sector survives 100%.

We don't know as if the existing leaders survive, so that's why there's so much pain out there. I mean, usually the leaders bounce, Yeah, and I think you start this morning. So what is this like you have Griffins up 7% this morning six hours, while ARC is bounced 17% in the last six hours. I really like that coin. I know we say that a lot, but I really like that one the most out of all of them. Not no out of no bags, XPT even XPT still $450 million guys, you

know what I mean? It's like price is on unchanged since like 2 weeks, right? Remember when AXBT first hit 450? We're all euphoric, right? So it's, it's some some something to think about even four coin like that's it's 900, it's a billion, it's leading back in a billion boys. Like four coin is still a billion dollar asset. You know what I mean? Oh my God. It's down 60% while bitcoins down 2%. Dude, that's what's hard to justify in your. Head. I know. Yeah.

It's so crazy, guys. It's so crazy. Anyways, all right, let's move on to that, to the other side because we had a rudder yesterday and a lot of us cut that. It was a fun one time. Let's see what you got for us today. Analysis. Yeah, folks, crypto majors are very red this morning with all some memes down. Much, much more analysts pointing to the launch of the deep seek model along with FOMC concerns, macro concerns as the driver for this market sell off. It was still a weekend of some

very bullish headlines. We had Elon and DOGE, Department of Government efficiency. They're exploring using public block chains to cut costs in the US government and add transparency. The CEO of Bitwise Hunter, he's saying they're seeing more interest in crypto from $10 billion plus firms than ever before. So his phone's ringing off the hook. Fidel hosting jobs for a blockchain engineer, signaling potential plans for expansion. Eric Trump curveballs.

We don't know if this is true or not, but he's teasing no capital gains tax on American crypto. Still very unclear how and if this would be implemented and then Michael Saylor news from this morning they bought another 10,000 Bitcoin no one catches the highs or the tops better than big Mike $105,000 average on those buys they. Also no sense.

Stark STRK as a new convertible stock offering product for them to raise more capital so he he's not slowing down anytime soon And and token AirDrop protocol news abstract announced mainnet goes live 1:00 PM Eastern today. Myriad is going to be there folks. They also shared a new whitelist open application for streamers. So just in streaming go take a look at that Jupiter huge weekend, arguably the winner of the weekend they acquired Moon shot.

They also announced 50% buybacks with revenue generated from their new ultra fee pump fun. If you haven't been following this, they set another new all time high in daily revenue, $15 million in the damn they are eating. And then in the Social 5 streets, we saw Tribe launch newest Social 5 app on Salon and I think nearly 100,000 sign ups, perhaps more in the in their first weekend.

AI, we kind of want their total market cap down 20%, ten billion full 50% drawdown from local highs about 60% off forever highs. Most leaders down 15 to 30%. Top number is we did see this cloudy token move 100% yesterday on the back of my new AI generated song as well as the spaces. I think that went well. We saw virtuals announced plans to expand to Solana that shocked

a lot of folks. They're targeting the first week of February to launch AI16V announced Eliza version 2 along with a $10 million fund for open source AI startups. So like Charlotte Adam, they're putting their money back into this ecosystem. Parallels Wave Finder team Tease They've been using Deep Seek since January to power their agent, so if. You're wait, Parallel is Chinese crypto. They're they're using deep seek for for wave Finder, so perhaps get some exposure via prompt

here soon. And memes meme coin majors are also read. Of course, we saw Toshi sore 100% to $800 million on Sunday. It's up 5X since it got listed on Coinbase. And then the meme of the day yesterday was this FAFO meme tied to a Trump post on Truth Social, soared to $90 million. Still, folks, the volume in the trenches is wild, $400 million in volume. God damn it, dude, damn. It's meme. I saw it back. It fell back to about 30 million

here this morning. And then another token seek tied to deep seek jumped about 700% to 28 million. So that is the rundown. Still, it was a busy weekend. God damn it, I bought the wrong coin, bro, because I bought I bought Chinese meme coins and mine went to 0 this morning and the other one went to 12 million God damn it yeah I got rubbed. Where do we even start here? I mean, we already talked AIII think we? Just talked about Solana's big

weekend. Yeah, let's talk about it because at the other day like almost again once once again leading back to Solana. We saw the virtual announcement the other day from base to Seoul and and now you're talking about Solana here again. It's pretty crazy. Quickly, quickly, quickly, the code today for the robot loot box bins is ABS, ABS, ABS, ABS, ABS ABS is the code for today. So raffle bot dot XYZ, raffle bot dot XYZ, sign up, put your stuff in and try and win a crypto punk.

I'm actually right now creating this wonderful loot box as we speak. So it's nice. It's very nice. Tyler Solana. I want to dive through it and I wrote my newsletter and I'll go through all the headlines here in a second. I know Manuel has to jump here in a second. Amanda, are we expanding the the radium trade to Radium plus Jupe now or? Like they, they've suddenly it's another Solana D5 token, which is clearly noticed that, right, we need to, we need to change our tokenomics here.

Like we don't actually know here. So they said that they're going to. What they did is they added some fees as in they said, look, we're now going to start charging people nought point nought 5%. If you ever use Jupiter, you have two modes, you have auto or you have manual. And that's the slippage. They're now making it so nought point nought 5 cent and they called it ultra nought point nought 5% is. Charged. I used that this weekend. It's nice. Right. Well, you're paying nought point

nought 5% per trade. So they've added a fee. Remember, they've never had fees before for their spot trades and then they're using 50% of those fees to buy back the coin. Now we don't know it yet because they haven't. I think we'll start to get the data maybe from from the Defy Lama soon. But this still has to go to a

Dow vote for the buyback. But it's they do do a lot like of volume, but it's unclear whether that volume will stay with them because of this fee or if people will decide to do manual or like it's just it's a lot of unknown, but it's probably, I think you're probably looking at a similar sort of burn to what Ray is doing like within the ballpark. Djenko Oh, Radium. Sorry. So something like that, something, something in the, let's say the hundreds of millions a year.

Now Jupiter is, is, is about 2X's market gap, but it is arguably got a better brand, you might say. But it, it just makes the coin a better coin in my opinion. Like it's really good to see D5 coins go this route if I'm honest. And I think they'll be a lot more focus on them because of this. Like Solana's 2 main coins in their in their D5 ecosystem, which is Jupiter and Radium are both doing buyback. There's not one in the in the ETH ecosystem doing that.

Why is that? A lot of them are US based, a lot of them are slow. I mean, are they I think is on its way for a fee switch, but I don't I don't know. There's definitely no buy back so but. They're foundations. They could, right? People look at these coins suddenly again, they'll be like, right, OK, well, now define Solana becomes an investable asset class in my opinion with this sort of stuff, sorry.

And hopefully that changes. So hopefully that that becomes a bit more of an interesting way to play the casino. I like that. Very good. So the troops sitting at the dollar still? Wow. So if you waited man, did you claim that AirDrop yet? No. God never loses bro. He's crazy man, I swear. God. I thought about it over the weekend. I was like, I'm so glad I did not claim it. I already claimed it and I already lost it in the casino, so yeah.

I think it's a good token. I might, I might just claim and keep it now. I, I like the coin. I mean, remember, we, we were like, we, we had now come, we should invite him again. The founder Jupiter on day one. Come in here. Like he's like this guy's like a crazy psycho founder bro, Like he's like crazy, like he's nuts. And, and I believe in them. You know, he's just so good at what he does. One thing I would say is that the terminology was said, look, we don't want to dump, we don't

want to dump Jupiter on you. We want to make it a bit more. We want to make it so it's like 5050. It's tied to the ecosystem. Well, that does tell me is they are still going to sell. Like the team is going to be selling Jupiter here, but they've just created a flywheel to support them selling. So rather than them just like having to sell it, Do you see, see what I'm saying here?

So like this isn't necessarily like there's no supply coming to market like these guys will sell this Jupiter the team well to to help fund the whatever they're going to be doing. So don't just assume that it's just like buying into no supply. No, of course, of course before SO. That's been mentioned a few times that it's like, yeah, it's a buyback, but like be cognizant of like it's not just one way. Yeah, looks like they had a whole event in Istanbul.

You know, like good stuff. They also burnt 30% of the supply, but that was well known. That was well known. Like they said, they're going to burn it for a long time. They. Burned. Where was the? Where's meow? Where's my invite? I wanted to go to Istanbul. I know the hell that looks so nice. See you bro. Yeah, there was a lot of announcements. I can go down the announcements, then we can go back to the trade. So I covered it in the newsletter this morning.

But so Jupiter they acquired Moon shot. Yo, that was big. This is coming after Moon Shot launched the Trump token and on board 500,000 users. Yeah, it's a major buyback program. We we just talked about that. We had the base leading AI platform virtuals announced plans that they're expanding to Solana. We had AI16Z announced, they're Eliza V2 that's a flagship Solana based AI token. Along with this our fund for open source AI startups.

I think that was actually announced at Cast Amble along with the Jupiter news. We have stable coin growth leading on Solana over the past month. I think Mert said that's the first time that's ever happened. There's been more stable coin growth on Solana than Ethereum. We had Grayscale file for a Solana ETF. So the ETF, we know they're coming. We don't know if it's going to be this month. It's almost certainly going to be in 2025 And then pump fonts at their new all time high and broke.

I sent that. Yeah, I have it open. I'm gonna open it. Yeah, I got it. So this comes back to the Ray and Jupe and this is the D5 trade conversation. So like if you look at this chart tokens deployed, it's just up and to the right. This 1,000,000 memes deployed on pump font. Wow. Less than a year. Their revenue was also up and to the right. They made $15 million in a single day over the weekend. They are just absolutely printing. But you could also look at that as extraction from this

ecosystem. And it's no secret that all the meme memes are all bleeding right across the board, the 2024 era memes. I think there's a, there's a big crisis of people kind of wondering, are they done forever? Will they ever come back? It's not looking good, dude. It's not looking good, right? So if you look at this I'm. Sorry. And you're like, OK, I don't want to play this game anymore. But I also realized that this is a strong casino and I don't

think it's going away. How do you want to play it? Ray and Ray and perhaps Jupe are the ways to play it now along with Seoul. So I, I think the case for you're bullish on the casino. You want to own the casino now you have a couple options to do that beyond just just Ray. It's it's interesting, right? And I can absolutely see investment coming into to the space around that. But I think this chart also tells you why this is a part of the story of why our memes are bleeding, right?

Because there's only so much liquidity in this broader ecosystem in the Seoul casino. And. So many coins launching every single day. And. Now that we've got more volume, so more interest, it's more interesting to trade these runners of the day. So we were both, we were both in that Fatho coin yesterday. Let's talk about that. That was fun. Yeah, pull the chart. When you see $100 million in volume in like the first hour of a token, you know, like, OK, this is the one that the market

is going to focus on today. Even if it's a farm, right, because you got to something people have to be careful with is like a lot of these are farms. So it's like fake volumes and they're just doing that to like dump on your heads. But if you want to play the game, you could play the game. So it's risky. Of course all these trades are are very risky.

You can all just rug and go to 0, but if you look at that, there was like a solid hour, hour and a half window where you could have gotten into this token between 10 and 20 million. Then it parabola up to to 90. Yeah, this whole period was like an hour long, dude. Yeah, it was very long. I was watching it in real time. You can shove decent capital into these, right? It's like that.

That's that's one thing that's different with with the volume in the trenches right now, like 100,000,000 coming in and out in the first hour, $400 million in volume in less than 24 hours. This coin launched at 3:00 PM Eastern yesterday. So it's like 18 hours old. So it's going to do 500 million probably, yeah. And it's on its way down, yeah. Yeah. The rest of the 70 mils coming from the way down right? And maybe it's done forever.

Maybe this meme will make it. This is this is lots of commentary on this specific meme, of course, kind of the state of the trenches. So if you see this and you see, oh, my other coins just kind of slowly bleeding, maybe I'll clip some out and try to two or three exit on the runner of the day. And then you just rinse and repeat that every single day. Like that is a a part of what's happening here? Yeah, it's, I mean, that's what we did, right?

Like I caught it. Like what 1012 whatever got in, got out sadly clipped out too soon because like, Oh my God, it's really this thing doesn't go past because of that mindset too, right? It goes both ways, right? Like, oh, there's so many memes not going past 2530 million thing goes to like 100 whatever. So we cooked all the way up and and that was fun and then followed by I got rubbed right after on like another coin, which was I just I don't know

it, it's not good. But you got to I think the new and that's something I talked about with the boys last night. Tyler's like these runners, man. There's one I just almost every day and there's opportunities to cash them. But you're absolutely right. Like if you're this is really not the season to marry your bag, do not marry your bag.

Like if what we're saying or sometimes mention a coin, your own or whatever, like effects you, that means you're over invested in it. Like it's it's that part of the of the cycle. Or like if if someone's talking about coin and you see your coin, understand it's upsetting. Like that doesn't mean like sell the bottom, but that also may not mean that it's the bottom yet for your coin, right. Even the got the ones that we thought would be going up.

Only, you know, would would let's let's just mention the big ones, Pepe, right, love Pepe. I love Pepe by far one my favorite coins. It's a 5.35 billion closer to Christmas time. We were all saying, you know, I I know I was also, and a lot of traders were like, yo, this thing's going 15 billion. It's going to be Sheba 2021, right? Remember when it got listed on Coinbase? They got that massive run to to 40 bill, 20 bill, and we're like this is going to happen.

Pepe is a great token. We were saying it's the token of the cycle and now this is happening. Let me give you guys another one that I personally love and I know Tyler loves as well. Farquin. Farquin was just $2.8 billion. All this stuff effects it. I still do think that hot air rises. I still do think that Farquin's going to have an aggressive move up. Again.

That's what I believe that Zoom is going to happen, but I do think so. But hey, it's not $170 million right now and it's being affected by the casino, right? So it, it affects every single coin you want to look at, for example, talking about marrying bags. So about pop cat, I like pop cat. I don't have it, but I, I like the coin. And built for a moment we were saying this is a blue chip of

this cycle. You buy, you want to buy this when you see this or do you want to wait for flavor of the day? That's you know. It's like FOMO is such a part FOMO and attention is such a key part of this game. And like once the chart is really bad, it's like how? And the volumes are dying on chain. I know they're getting volumes on, on exchange, but you also got to be careful of like exchange volume like it's just

the truth. Look. Look at. This look came back though, I guess so like if like if you want to say that can pop cat come back. I mean, with this run, dips chopped for nine months and then it did have another run. Yeah, but Pop Cat now is just like a 2024 mean. You know, that's my thoughts. That doesn't mean it won't come back, right? I'm just saying it has outs. At least with. On every.

At least with has Coinbase, you feel me like at least with and like if I were to compare the two, right. But for example, this this was meant to be the leader of the AI meta. This was meant to be the coin that started the entire cookie dot font fucking website. Technically, yeah, I mean, like the whole thing, right? This was supposed to be the coin that changes the face of crypto

and blockchain technology. It's literally been down only since November 2024. You know, And now that Andy did what he did, I will be praying for this the it's downfall. But that's OK, that's personal. It's not business. All the good thoughts they had when they sold their Farquin. But but you know, it's even like all jokes aside from this, like look at this 72 days of down right on a coin that was and what we're trying to show here. And we're not targeting coins.

We're we're talking about the big headline coins, right? And I know all our coins are the same, right? It's because don't marry the bag, right? Don't be afraid to be more, you know, leaning. But also that's how you get burned. So you got to be careful. And I really, really, really think Tyler, this is a I, I told all my friends this and I'm sure I think some of them are going to listen to the show right now. And I tell them all the time, this is going to be chip choppy.

This is where you lose all your stack. This is where you use everything just like chill a bit like this is good. This is like maybe way catch the run, like the faffo, right? Your Sunday, you're at home. There's no excuse not to catch it really. Like most people are home on their laptops at the DJs that are trenching and stuff like just chill, right? There's always like, there's going to be like 5 more faffos

probably this week, you know? Yeah, it's weird time to enter positions like I I don't, I'm not really like playing new coin launches really at all these days. It's just be careful. And we're not even doing with size, right? Like I don't think he did 5 for size. I didn't like I I did some and then I made micro money and I left right.

Not not crazy size, but just like even like the micro caps, like sometimes it's fun to play micro caps, but and maybe if you want to do like a small gambles, you know, depending on whatever your small part of your bankroll, but the point is like there's just so many and they're dying so fast. Right now, then again, just don't don't lose it all before the potential golden bull run with the the strategic reserve and you know everything. Wow, trillion dollars liquidated

from the market. In the I think it has to be wrong. I I don't think that's possible. Crazy, right? They added a three zeros. They they they, they deleted it, but there's probably a lot of liquidations going on right now it. Shouldn't work, yeah. There was breaking news here on the deep sea side that you have to have a Chinese phone number. Now deep sea restricts registration to China Mobile phone number. So even they know that their

shit doesn't work, dude. So it's like, you know, it's, it's, I think we so overreacted in the markets, Tyler. It's crazy. I think so too. But I said like I think everything was basically trading at perfection. We had a little bit of volatility come in and people took some. This is going to be a big week. Wednesday's a huge day. I don't. I don't. It's hard for me to see anything really running before Wednesday.

Yeah, you have the FOMC, so I'm sure we'll cover this a little more, you know, on tomorrow, on Wednesday morning itself. But I feel like we were talking about this like even before this whole deep sea news and stuff. I know you and I in the chat and I know all my boys were like, yo, we're probably going to de risk into FOMC. Like that was like consensus bro. And Bob Lucas thought she made a good tweet because I think, and I think that's actually interesting. I'm Chris.

Your thoughts? He says SNP was up 350 points in just seven trading days. It's called profit taking. The news is just what's for the offering that day. Part of me believes that too, dude. I think headlines are what we like to hang on to. Whether we go up or down, there's always a headline that we tie it to, but just markets being markets. Exactly. Yeah, I think that was the most level head take I've seen about the situation. But today also for big day abstract launch.

I know, I know, I know we got to go in 5-10 minutes here. We're going to do a giveaway the the giveaway. But yeah, Myriad is launching on abstract lads, this is a huge, huge, huge, huge day with 17,000 people applied this weekend to to fucking be creators on abstract. I'll, I'll get I'll dive deeper into just how big this is, but basically every single person that streams on abstract is going to be predicting on Myriad and we're going to be obviously

one of the top apps on there. Shout out to Luca and Michael Lee there for believing in US and and and working with us. But that was good. I mean, the first preseason of Marriott got 42,000 participants, 700,000 on chain transactions, $165,000,000 million dollar. Sorry, one day a million points transacted. So that was big dude. And it's today it's happening. We're yeah, stressful, most stressful for my deaf team, but

it's it's a big day, man. Well, how do you, how do you feel about abstract coming out to that? I feel like you must be excited. You've been part of the Pudge ecosystem for a minute. I'm very excited. I'm excited for the Myriad launch and to kind of get back deep into the prediction market. So it's like I played polymarket, you know, ahead of the election and I kind of consciously took a little time out because I was kind of wanting to save my capital for the Myriad you see pool launch.

So I'm very excited to to dig into that. I think a lot of people are kind of wondering what what is there going to be to do on day one on on abstract. There's probably going to be some meme coin launches. That's going to be like a very ball game. Oh yeah, I can't wait for that. Which I'll probably play a little bit like, I'll be honest, but I like the like prediction markets. You can, you can make bets that you can sleep with, right? Yes.

And, you know, you can, you can actually, you know, think through things. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's a decent sized capital, whatever you want to do. So I mean, except for that I'm sure there'll be some hiccups day one right there. There are always is. I'm not just talking about Mira, I'm talking about broader abstract. I'm sure there's going to be. I'm sure that's true. I mean, like our platform is still in beta, right?

Like we're launching, we're launching season one with abstract, but you know, it's it's going to be interesting man, because also like you got to think about like there's also a lot of farmers that try to like game the system. So that doesn't help, right, in terms of like keeping a website up. So it's it's tough, dude, it's tough. I have a war room called in exactly 20 minutes from now with the team in in in Portugal. That's where a whole deaf team is based out of for for for Mary

other product. So it's going to be, it's going to be a big day. Our USD markets are going to launch normally the first week of Feb, first few days of February. So I'm excited, man. I'm excited for the new media model. I'm excited to show people that we can drive proper revenue to that. And I'm excited to see people look, pre season, the people were right 77% of the time. People know people are good at predicting, you know, So it's it's going to be it's going to be a big day.

I'm excited for our show to start streaming on abstract. I'm pretty sure from tomorrow morning. I mean, Sims, correct me if I'm wrong Tomorrow, let's go. There you go. So tomorrow morning the four more hours going to be live on abstract. Pretty cool, right? Streaming's going to be awesome. I love how you can showcase apps when you're streaming. And if folks are out there wanting to know, you know, everyone's like, how do you farm abstracts, right?

How do you participate? Just try, try to stream, right? It's a low capital way. Create content, find, connect with an audience, be interesting, right? Like that's definitely a channel that folks should consider. So I'm excited that we're going to be doing it. I'm excited to spend my own streams. I'm excited just to go deep on my myriad butts here. It's going to be so good, bro. Like, honestly, like I think Luca put a tweet out that we weren't expecting him to tweet.

That was kind of like a curveball, but in a positive way. Nowhere. Luca tweeted something like, let me find it. What do you say? Since it was Oh yeah, he said streaming yourself using Myriad Markets and pinning the app on the stream would get you 50,000 XP. So one thing's for sure is now confirmed, we didn't even know that, is that you're going to get a fuck ton of abstract XP for pinning at Myriad Markets on your stream.

You know what I mean? So it's things like that that that makes me really excited for it. However, if you start pinning shit and you don't actually interact with the stuff that you pin, Nope, I think they'll be negative connotations. So if you're going to stream some pin what you're streaming and actually stream it. Don't just try fucking farm it or game it. No, that too. And you know, they have ways of, you know, you know, playing with farmers and so do we.

So you're like double farming. It's funny, Tyler, you're going to be on abstract and predicting on myriad because the points are still going to go and and it's going to be an exciting. I think Feb is going to be really positive for the industry. Tyler think it's going to be Yeah, think it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited, excited for this month of January to be done, though, kind of over it between the election ending, the inauguration trade, the the all this executive orders

volatility, all this stuff. It's a. It's a lot. It's been a long month, but February is a short month and a lot of indicators it's going to be a a bullish month, so I'm feeling very optimistic. Yeah, it's it's going to be bullish. Well, all right, let's get to our giveaways and then we'll keep the we're going to keep the the rest of the topics for tomorrow, since you want me to pick from the audience.

So we what we do the code, we're good ABS we're good and then fuck and we have to go launch this thing on fucking abstract dude Holy shit, fuck that's crazy. It's a lot it's stressful man, and I'm not even the one coding. You know what I mean? Like I'm feeling my. This is what it's all about though, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot, man.

Like we forget because you know, like, you know, I'm also I trench, I hold, I do a lot of things, but sometimes you forget they're also building a whole ass stick. This is the big thing. All right, same. Let's what's the what's the vibes things? Am I you can make give me one minute. Give me like 30 seconds of a go. No rush, no rush, no rush. No rush. You know what held held up the best in this day? Punks.

Dude. They're they're 48th and people just keep they're 41. Shout out to the Wizard of Soul. Yeah. This feels like one of those where like it's the time is slipping away. Yeah, if you think the bull market is going to continue, which I do, there's probably going to be a point. Come on, Tyler. Reprice again and like be able to get any. Come on, Ty. That's what my read is on this. Come on, Ty. Come on, baby. It's tough to sell my memes down 60. Percent.

I know, I know, of course, but and I wouldn't even tell you. It would be like don't do it.

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