Pushkin. Hey Leon here, before we get to this episode, I want to let you know that you can binge the entire season of Fiasco Iran Contra right now add free by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Sign up for Pushkin Plus on the Fiasco Apple podcast show page or visit Pushkin dot Fm Slash Plus Now onto the show. Two days before Christmas in nineteen seventy two, the capital city of Nicaragua was destroyed by an earthquake.
When daylight finally came, you could still see smoke billowing over the city of Managua. The crews shook themselves and began another long day of digging out and trying to clear this city and stop the fires.
Bulldozers combed the streets in search of bodies.
The scent of the city has been utterly destroyed. Even the few tall buildings which do remain will soon be brought down by dynamite. Unofficial estimates of the dead are running as high as five thousand, many of these.
As the city burned, Nicaragua's right wing dictator Anastasio Simosa, declared martial law.
The army is now in full command of the city and the country. General Simosa is overflying the city in a US helicopter. He will personally direct the demolition operations to level the city.
Simosa and his family had ruled over Nicaragua for decades, always with the full backing of the United States, but in the aftermath of the earthquake, the Samosa government was accused of stockpiling foreign aid, mismanagement, and fraud. Simosa responded to the criticism by tightening the screws on all forms of descent.
The country felt increasingly militarized. As a child, you could feel it.
Victoria Gonzales Rivera was growing up in Nicaragua during these turbulent years after the earthquake. Today, she's a history professor at San Diego State University. Gonzales Rivera remembers General Simosa seeming all powerful. His control over Nicaragua was embodied by the constant presence of his armed loyalists, the National Guard.
They wore their uniforms, you know, these olive green uniforms. They were everywhere. I remember, for example, at one point a National Guards member shot someone, a civilian, you know, on my street, and I heard the shot, and of course, you know, adults just made me go inside the house, and later on I could still see the blood on the road, and the violence just became really, really widespread.
The Samosa government's increasing authoritarianism and corruption gave rise to a popular opposition movement. A socialist revolutionary group started to gain momentum.
The Sandinista National Liberation Front or FSLN, is named after the nineteen twenties nationalist leader Augusto Sandino.
As the Samosa As regime grew more brutal, the FSLN, also known as the Sandinistas, evolved into a cohesive force with real military strength.
The Sandonist gorillas have launched what they called their final offensive. With the recent development of fighting in Managua for anoun signs that Washington will start to priss Moore openly Forsmoza's resignation.
In July of nineteen seventy nine, they deposed Simosa and declared a new government in Nicaragua.
By midmorning here in Managua, Sandinista gorillas were coming.
In from every direction.
On Many of the tough young gorillas were raised in the four sections of this country were support for the Sandinista movement has been the strongest, and it.
Was the poor people in the capitol.
Who filled the breach today the Greek, the winners of the eighteen month old war.
It wasn't long before the Gorilla.
The Sandinista government started implementing its policy agenda, including a slate of social programs in public health and education, and for the first time in years, it felt as though peace was coming to Nicaragua.
Right after the revolution, there was some euphoria the literacy campaign, vaccination campaigns. That was really safe, you know, I remember that really clearly, Like you could be out in the street really late, and it felt so safe. There was a sense of there being sort of endless possibilities.
But the euphoria didn't last long. The Sandinistas quickly encountered resistance from Nicaraguans who were unhappy with the new government. That included former Somosa supporters and rural laborers who were forced into collective farming. Several groups of counter revolutionaries started popping up all over the country. Collectively, they were called the Contras, and soon a new armed conflict was brewing in Nicaragua.
The so called Contras claim an army of ten thousand, with more joining every day.
The Contra War started fairly soon after seventy nine. So it became a vicious circle of sorts where the Sandinistas justified the authoritarianism because it was wartime.
They have shut down the only opposition newspaper five times, They've postponed election, outlawed strikes, and jailed some of their opponents.
And then more people then turned away because of the authoritarianism. It just felt like never ending war.
The largest of the rebel groups has extended its control from a sliver around the Hunduran border to several advanced locations in the center of Nicaragua. They say the war will continue until the Sandinistas are gone.
Just as the Sandinistas were coming to power in Nicaragua, a presidential election was getting under way in the United States for Ronald Reagan, the Republican nominee. The spread of communism to a Central American nation looked like a serious threat. Here is Doyle McManus, who covered the Contra War for the Los Angeles Times and co authored the book Landslide.
It was owned only five years after the United States lost the Vietnam War, and in those five years, the perception on the American right was that the United States was in headlong retreat. All over the world, and that the Soviet Union was winning everywhere, and there was in effect a new Domino theory that first Nicaragua, then l Salvador, then perhaps Guatemala, Honduras, and you are on the border of Mexico, and suddenly we have a new problem of communist regimes right up to our border.
At the nineteen eighty Republican Convention, the GOP added a plank to its platform affirming the party's support for a free and independent government in Nicaragua. Reagan drove the point home when he accepted his party's nomination.
The United States has an obligation to its citizens and to the people of the world, never to let those who would destroy freedom dictate the future course of life on this planet.
As President, Reagan made no secret of his disdain for the Sandinistas, but most Americans were opposed to the United States getting involved in yet another proxy war abroad. One poll in nineteen eighty three found that sixty six percent of Americans feared that a US intervention in Nicaragua would turn into a repeat of Vietnam. That anxiety underpinned a lot of American politics in the seventies and eighties. It was known as Vietnam syndrome.
Congressional critics warn of another Vietnam and say it's time for the US to keep its hands off.
Is there now a.
Kind of Vietnam phobia, a predisposition against the use of military force, a presumption that that is wrong and has to be proved right the old Mark Twain anecdote, a cat that jumps on a hot stove not only will not jump on a hot stove, won't jump on any stove at all.
Even some of his fellow Republicans broke from Reagan on the Sandinista question. They agreed that democracy in Nicaragua would be a good thing, but they didn't want the US getting its hands dirty by helping the Contras make it happen.
I don't think President Reagan has convinced some of the most powerful members, even of his own.
Party, that it is really a Marxist struggle down there, and it's the US versus the Kamis. It is a very comminateduation.
But Reagan and his top advisors did not harbor any doubts about what was going on down in Central America. By the same logic that would lead to the invasion of Grenada. Nicaragua looked poised to turn into a Soviet outpost in the Western Hemisphere if something wasn't done.
Think about the big issues the Middle East, the Soviet Union at the time, the Cold War. They went on endlessly and there was nothing there you could solve. But here was a theater where someone sitting in the White House or the Defense Department or the State Department could say, you know, we actually do have enough power to fix this problem, if we only dare to use it.
Nicaragua was a problem Reagan thought he could solve. The overwhelming opposition of the American people was an obstacle, but it wasn't insurmountable. Maybe the United States could help the Nicaragua in contras without anyone finding out about it. Maybe Reagan could set the Soviets BACKUPEG in Central America and nobody would ever have to know. I'm Leon Nathalk from Prologue Projects and Pushkin Industries. This is fiasco Iran Contra. The Reagan administration secret war in Nicaragua.
Covert activities being engaged in uncovertly cannot be justified.
The administration is going into high gear to salvage its policies on Central America.
We cannot turn our backs on this crisis at our doorstick.
No longer can we so easily bear witness to the standards of international law.
The Sandinistas can hold out forever, but the US Congress cannot.
Episode three Contra Dance. How the Reagan administration forged a secret military alliance with the Contra fighters in Nicaragua, and what happened when Congress tried to stop them. We'll be right back. Anthony Quainton started his mission as the US Ambassador to Nicaragua in March of nineteen eighty two. Given Reagan's intense interest in Nicaragua, Quainton knew the job would put him in the spotlight, but he didn't expect the headaches to start quite as immediately as they did.
When I arrived, I climbed off the plane from Miami to be greeted by cameras, clea lights, microphones, and there were some hopes that maybe a new ambassador would bring a new approach.
It turned out that while Quainton was in the air flying from Miami to Monagua, Contra forces had blown up two bridges as part of their war on the Sandinistas.
The chief reason for the imposition of the state of emergency was the sabotage of two Nicaragua bridges by anti government guerrillas.
And according to the government led by Daniel Ortega, the CIA had been in on the plot.
Military leaders here are telling the people they must be prepared for a US backed invasion.
I was confronted with questions, which began more or less as follows. Mister, Ambassador Daniel Ortega has declared a state of emergency because the CIA has blown up the bridges connecting Nicaragua and Honduras. What do you think about this start to your investorship?
Quentin didn't quite know what to say. He didn't know anything about a CIA operation to blow up bridges in Nicaragua. Officially, the Reagan administration was exercising restraint in its opposition to the Sandinistas. Officially they were holding back from joining the contra war.
And I had to think very quickly because I had not been briefed on the operation, nor did I expect any particular clandestine operation would be time to with my arrival. So I don't know whether I mumbled. I tried not to mumble, but to suggest that these were very difficult issues, and I look forward to discussing them with Commandante Ortega and others.
The newly appointed US Ambassador, Anthony Quainton is now a Nicaragua. He says he wants to try to decrease the level of tension.
That was only the first time Quainton would find himself caught between the Reagan administration he was supposed to be representing in the Nicaraguin leaders he was supposed to be working with. The awkwardness was never more palpable than when the Sandinistas sang their anthem in Quaintan's presence. The hymn of the Sandinistas was sung at nearly every official function and referred to the Yankee enemy of mankind.
So every time they sang an Imigo del money, that enemy of humanity, it was a dilemma. I mean, at what point would I should I be? Was I expected to be visibly in opposition? It was a constant question for me.
The tension over the Contra War escalated in the fall of nineteen eighty two when Newsweek ran a blockbuster cover story about CIA covert operations being coordinated out of Honduras along the Nicaragua border.
Newsweek's cover story this week is an extraordinary exclusive report on the Reagan administration secret war in Nicaragua.
There are a number of different types of operations in what is generally perceived to be a war of nerves.
Newsweek reported that some fifty CIA operatives were working in Central America to undermine the Sandinistas. The Contras only had about twelve thousand guerrilla soldiers, but according to Newsweek, Reagan had approved a CIA plan to help them. It entailed relatively modest activities like repairing equipment and disrupting Sandinista supply chains, but it also involved training Contra forces and helping them
plan attacks. According to many of the US officials quoted in the Newsweek story, these efforts were ineffective, risky, and deeply embarrassing. One official said, this is our bay of pigs. The contract didn't come across well in the article either. One Contra officer was quoted saying that come the counter revolution, there will be a massacre in Nicaragua. We have a lot of scores to settle, and there will be bodies
from the border to Monagua. Here's one of the authors of the Newsweek story giving a radio interview about her piece.
The policy may in fact have the opposite effect of that which is intended. In other words, it may consolidate what little support remains for the Sandinistas. As one person told me in Minaugua earlier this summer, just because we want these bastards out doesn't mean we want the old bastards back.
The Newsweek's story put a lot of heat on Reagan and the CIA.
The COVID operation in Central America has drawn sharp criticism on Capitol Hill.
I've told the President I feel that he makes a foreign policy mistake if he wants to substitute COVID activity for a good foreign policy.
Opposite position to Reagan's secret medaling in Nicaragua was led by Democratic Congressman Edward P. Boland.
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Edward Boland has made it almost a personal crusade to cut off CIA financing for guerrillas in Nicaragua.
Boland was appalled that the administration was trying to avoid congressional oversight in order to pursue a secret agenda. Boland wanted to rein in the rogue executive branch.
He argues, the Reagan administration is trying to overthrow the Nicaraguan government with the gorillas and the US support for them, makes this country the meddler the bully in the region.
Another congressman had proposed a blanket ban on all military aid to the Contras, but Boland wanted to find a compromise that Reagan would be willing to sign, so he suggested an amendment to the Defense budget that would specifically forbid the CIA from sending military aid to anyone seeking to overthrow the Sandinista government, which is to say, the CIA could help the Contras as long as they weren't doing it with the intention of bringing about regime change.
The law came to be called the bowl In Amendment, and it passed the House unanimously with overwhelming support from both Democrats and Republicans. Here again is La Times reporter Doyle McManus.
As long as they said the purpose of this operation, the purpose of this arms shipment is not to overthrow the government of Nicaragua, they figured they were in the clear. So the CIA saw that as the biggest loophole that they could drive arms trucks through that they had ever seen, and that's exactly what they did.
So for now, the administration feels free to pursue what some here feel are rather uncovert covert activities in Nicaragua.
The debate over the Bolan Amendment coincided with the major pr push by the Reagan administration. They wanted to galvanize support for the contrast among American lawmakers and to get regular Americans excited about the contract cause. To that end, the CIA set about finding a group of counter revolutionary who could represent Nicaragua's anti communist movement, and if they couldn't find one, they would settle for creating one.
There was in the Reagan administration a kind of generalized search for good guys. We could back that if you wanted to organize and mobilize American public support for this great crusade against Soviet Communism, you needed some heroes, You needed some good guys, and so that was an important part of the narrative.
Selecting members for this contra organization was kind of like putting together a boy band. The perfect number of people to serve in the group was seven. It would include a businessman, a politician, and a doctor. The CIA was looking for Nicaraguan anti communists with good reputations, people who weren't associated with the brutality of the Samosa National Guard. The new seven person directorate was going to be the public face of an entity called the Nicaraguan Democratic Force, the FDN.
Well, my life called many, many ups and downs, or ins and out.
Edgar Chamorro moved to Miami from Monagua in the midst of the Sandinista Revolution. Chamorro was born to one of Nicaragua's most powerful and well connected families. There were multiple former presidents of Nicaragua and the Chamorrow family tree, but Edgar never felt the poll of politics. After a short stint as a Jesuit priest, he founded an advertising agency and made ads from breweries, rum distilleries, and car dealerships. After he moved to Miami, Chamorrow became more interested in
his home country's politics. He didn't doubt that the Sandinistas genuinely wanted to help people, but he thought their plans for transforming the country were too radical. He started attending meetings in the homes of other Nicaragua expats who were critical of the Sandinista government.
When I started attending groups that were interesting what was going on, I followed very closely, and I went to many meetings and I heard things that people were sending weapons or even hunting rifles. I heard stories like that.
The meetings were pretty informal. What could a bunch of people sitting in the living room in Miami we do about a government a thousand miles away. But then at the end of nineteen eighty two, Tomorrow got a mysterious phone call.
He spoke with a very solemn or gravitas, like somebody who has power or something. He said us speaking on behalf of high authority of the government.
The man said his name was Steve Davis, and he invited Tomorrow to lunch.
He already had chosen a restaur and we went there. But he looked like a very sharp, well dressed like politician or Washington executive or business executive. He was well dressed.
Tomorrow came to believe that Steve Davis was an agent of the CIA. He invited Chamorro to join the new FDN Directorate, and Chamorrow accepted the offer. About a month later, he and the other members of the Directorate gathered for a press conference at a hotel near Fort Lauderdale. There they would introduce the new Contra brand to the world.
There was a long table with aposion. We all very just stop. I had to buy best suit or best usual.
You know.
Everybody looked very sharp, and so it was like a meeting for something in olive or something.
The Americans overseeing the directorate briefed Tomorrow and the others on what they should say to the public and more importantly, what they absolutely should not say. The main thing was to never, under any circumstances let it slip they had received help or even been in contact with anyone from the American government. At one point during the press conference, a reporter asked whether the group had any supporters who were fits in Nicaragua. We do have people, chamorro' said many.
I knew all that I was not telling them the truth. I mean, it was so fake in that sense, but dous the way the American want us to do it.
Soon, Chamorro moved to Honduras to be closer to where most of the contras were based. At a salary of two thousand dollars per month plus expenses, he was put in charge of communications and pr Among his responsibilities was giving interviews to international newspapers and TV reporters. He also worked on propaganda. One of the most consequential projects Chamorro helped with was an eighty eight page guide called Psychological
Operations in Guerrilla Warfare. It was intended for distribution among contra leadership on the ground, but when Chamorro looked over the final draft of the text, he was deeply disturbed. Under the heading selective use of violence for propagandistic effects, he read the following line, it is possible to neutralize carefully selected and planned targets such as court judges, police and state security officials.
And I started reading the booklet and I got very upset. It says very clearly neutralize, a word that sounds neutral, but it's not neutral at all. It means eliminating people who are capable, or leaders of unions or whatever. So he wasn't recommending selective assassination.
Tomorrow knew from that very first FDN press conference in Florida that American agents might ask him to bite his tongue or even lie in service of the contract. Cause now Tomorrow just felt like a puppet of the US government. That feeling was reinforced when in the middle of the night on January fifth, nineteen eighty four, he was awakened by a call from a CIA operative.
It was a late at night. I was called and I was told it was something very important I have to do right now. Or who was an origin matter?
The agent told Chamorrow that bombs had been placed in Nicaraguan harbors. The idea had been to scare off commercial ships from other countries that were doing business with the Sandinistas. Chamorrow had to get on the radio right away and announce on air that the contrast had been behind the operation.
And then he gave me this page that I was supposed to read. I was asked to cover it up. Basically.
Three months later, the Wall Street Journal told the world who was actually responsible for planning the harbor bombing operation.
US government sources confirmed tonight that the Central Intelligence Agency is actively directing the mining of Nicaragua harbors.
The government of Nicaragua opened Puerto Corinto to foreign journalists.
Today.
Military leaders at the port say it.
Was done to show the world that the US is involved in so called terrorist acts.
The mines have been removed.
This was an enormous story. The harbor bombings were evidence of direct military action taken by Americans in a foreign country.
Suddenly, the law and order president is being attacked around the world and even by members of his own party as a man who has no respect for law and order.
The backlash was swift and broad.
Nicaragua and some Democratic Congressmen are saying that US involvement with that mining of the Nicaragua Harbor's constitutes an act of war.
Even Barry Goldwater, the Republican Senator, was furious. Here's Doyle McManus again.
Barry Goldwater, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, asked the CIA what the hell was going on? And the CIA's answer was, oh, we told you about this. And Senator Goldwater was not happy because, as far as he knew, he had never been told, and as far as most of the members of the committee knew, they had never been told. And Goldwater hit the ceiling.
Goldwater wrote a letter to the director of the CIA to express his frustration that Congress had not been informed of the operation. It gets down to one little simple phrase, Goldwater wrote, I am pissed off. This was not just about the contras and whether they deserved America's support. It was about the separation of powers between the executive branch and Congress. Lawmakers had used the power of the purse to impose restrictions from the president's foreign policy objectives, and
the president had gone ahead and pursued those objectives. Anyway, the controversy would have been a major headache under any circumstances, but this was erupting during Reagan's re election campaign.
My fellow Americans, much has been made of late regarding our proper role in Central America and in particular toward Nicaragua. We cannot turn our backs on this crisis at our doorstep.
The news went from bad to worse. A few days before Reagan was set to debate his Democratic opponent, Walter Mondale, the story of the Guerrilla Warfare Manual became public.
Controversy mounted over a CIA manual that offers advice to rebels on care billing officials in Nicaragua.
In other words, that means assassination.
It was reported that pages explaining how to carry out political assassinations have been part of the original document, the same pages that had horrified Edgar Chimorro. Despite his misgivings, Chimorro defended the manual in front of the cameras.
Rebel leader Edgar Chamorro says, in a guerrilla war sometimes there's no choice for us.
It's legal in our Catholic tradition to assassinate tiets.
This prompted another flood of outrage. Here was documentary proof that the US had a grand strategy to de stabilize Nicaragua, a strategy that encouraged contrafighters to commit war crimes.
Nicaragua and rebel leaders have now acknowledged that some of the manual's tactics, including political assassination, were followed by the commandos.
And that CIA officials not only knew about it, they encouraged it.
During the debate with Mondale, Reagan was caught off guard by a question about the CIA's operations in Nicaragua. In response, once the Great Communicator made a slip up that you really have to hear to believe.
Is this not, in effect our own states supported terrorism.
No, I'm glad you asked that question, because I know it's on many people's minds. We have a gentleman down in Nicaragua who is on contract to the CIA, advising supposedly on military tactics the Contras, and he drew up this manual. It was turned over to the agency head of the CIA in Nicaragua to be printed, and a number of pages were excised by that agency head there, the man in charge.
Mister President, you are implying, then, that the CIA in Nicaragua is directing the contras there.
I'm afraid I misspoke when I said a CIA head in Nicaragua. There's not someone there directing all of this activity.
The Reagan campaign's internal polling numbers that night were a disaster, but by the end of the week, nearly every poll showed that Reagan had won the debate, in part because the CIA exchange had been overshadowed by a much more memorable one.
I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience.
In the end, Reagan was re elected by an astounding margin. He won forty nine out of the fifty states.
A jubilant President Reagan today is savory and a re election mandate of near record proportions.
Mister Reagan came just shy of the fifty states sweets.
But by this point lawmakers had already made their displeasure with Reagan known. In response to the Harbour bombing operation, Congress had strengthened the Bowland Amendments for the upcoming fiscal year.
The second Bowland Amendment basically said no money, no weapons, no indirect aid, no advice, no nothing. The intelligence age of the United States cannot get involved in this war, and that presented the Reagan administration with a terrible problem. The people the President wanted to support in Nicaragua had no more access to the CIA or any other American intelligence agency for help what to.
Do, But some members of the administration saw that as another door left slightly open. The new and improved Bonone Amendment specifically barred US intelligence agencies from supporting the conference, but what exactly was the definition of an intelligence agency. We'll be right back. By the end of nineteen eighty four, Oliver North was a rising star on the National Security
Council staff. He'd been assigned to the NFC in nineteen eighty one, partly because Reagan was trying to shrink the cost of the federal government, and it was cheaper to deputize military personnel than to hire new political staffers. North was inexperienced and overextended, but he worked harder and longer than almost anyone else to get up to speed. North wanted to be the guy who could be relied on to accomplish any task as superiors put in front of him.
He wanted to be indispensable. Here is Anne Roe, the obituari's editor of The Economist, an author of the book Lives, Lives and the Iran Contra Affair.
In his notebook, there's a rather nice little reference to Isaiah six', eight the part where the lord, says who AM i going to? Find who SHALL i? Send and the obedient servant, says, HERE i am send. Me and that was Something north was aware of all the. Time he'd be the man who'd be available to, send and he would.
Obey roe says that When north started at THE, nsc he thought he'd be stuck in his office doing boring administrative. Work but now he saw wo how he could be involved in the exciting parts of foreign.
Policy he had an, office a set up completely like secret agent's, office with the codes on the, door and the five telephones and the secure, phone and the tempered glass in the, windows and the huge, safe and heaven knows what was in the.
Safe with the Second Bolon amendment about to go into, effect The reagan administration needed someone who wasn't involved in official intelligence activities to be in charge of organizing The. Contras in their narrow reading of The New Bowlan, amendment The National Security council wasn't technically an intelligence, agency so they thought setting up shop in THE nsc was the perfect way to get around the, restrictions And Oliver north seemed like the right man for the.
Job norles had maps Of managua maps At nicaragua up on his. Wall he would talk about how they were going to be In monagula By. Christmas he was in a way directing the battle from his. Desk as he.
Said north was put in charge of supplying The contra with money for, weapons food and other, supplies but Without congressional, funding the money had to come from somewhere. Else one solution was to solicit donations from foreign. Countries these efforts by The White house yielded huge piles of, cash including millions of dollars From Saudi arabia and a ten million
dollar donation from The sultan Of. Brunei unfortunately for The, contras that money was accidentally sent to the Wrong Swiss bank account Because, north secretary wrote down the wrong routing. Number another Way north got around The Bowland amendment was by soliciting funds from, regular, old Wealthy. Republicans THE us government wasn't allowed to pay for The contra's, weapons But
congress hadn't said anything about private. Citizens So north set about wooing potential donors who believed in The contra's freedom fighting. Cause to that, end he worked with a nonprofit called THE, nepl The National endowment for The preservation Of. LIBERTY a man Named carl Spitz channel from THE npl made the diligoustical. Arrangements north was the.
Salesman these donors were particularly an interesting group of, people and there's a whole group of true believers who are generally quite elderly and female and very.
Rich one of those donors Was Ellen, garwood and she was indeed, elderly, female and very. Rich garwood's anti communist philanthropy was inspired by her, father who had worked in The truman administration and was one of the architects of The Marshall.
Plan they'd taken out for drinks And north joined them in somewhere like the Hay Addams.
Hotel Here's garwood in nineteen eighty seven speaking about her experience as A contra.
DONOR i met with him at the Hay Adams hotel in the. Evening after, dinner The.
North would talk about the desperate plight of the.
Contrast he said that they were in such a bad condition that they were out of, food madisone other, necessities and also practically out of. Weapons they might cease to exist if something weren't done about these various.
Needs he then decides he'll, go but before he, goes he just slides a weapons price list onto the, table the.
List of weapons that they. NEEDED i love that the list had different categories of, weapons had hand, GRENADES i, remember, bullets cartridge, belts possibly surface to air, missiles and there were quantities opposite each. Category and after that there was a sum of money that was needed in order to provide those weapons that those weapons would.
Cost the idea of helping The contras was as thrilling to the donors as it was To.
NORTH i love the idea of these blue rinsed women who know buying weapons to give to The. Contras and one of them was so enthusiastic she wanted her name put on a missile.
Potential donors were invited to attend special briefings in the Old Executive office. Building north would give a slideshow presentation showing photographs of The contras and the conditions they, faced often including an image of A contra grave marked with a. Cross some donors were so moved that they, cried but they weren't always giving only out of the goodness of their.
Hearts if you gave more than three hundred thousand, dollars you got an audience in The Oval office for fifteen, minutes often one on. One and it's so interesting to. Read how you know they went in there and really Told reagan what they thought he ought to be doing on foreign. Policy you, know it's the moment when citizens and complete demeateurs are trying to make foreign policy and shape it. Themselves they get the air of the president and they tell him what he what he should.
Do the fundraising pitch painted The contra war as a black and white, conflict a fight between democracy and, communism good and, evil and that wasn't just a. Story north And reagan told donors to try to get them to give. Money it was a story they. Believed, meanwhile down In, honduras some of The contras were making it awfully hard to root for. Them here is An american nun who lived In nicaragua talking to A tv reporter about the lawless brutality of The.
Contras when we first came, here we visited forty eight. Communities now we only visit thirty eight because the communities have been wiped. Out many people have frightened as a result of contractivity in this.
Area Edward chamorro couldn't stomach these, tactics and after just a few years with THE fdn he grew profoundly.
Disillusioned part of my thing was the credibility. Problem how we were committing.
Atrocities according To, chamorrow the contras were murdering, civilians raping, women and destroying entire.
VILLAGES i don't believe in the anglify the. MEANS i believe the means and the ends have to be.
Good chamorrow parted ways with THE fdn in nineteen eighty. Four he returned to his family In miami and started sharing his experiences with the.
Press this policy has not, work and direcord of The contra is not. GOOD i think it's time to look for a better and cleaner.
Approach chamorrow later settled In massachusetts and became a. Teacher, Meanwhile Victoria Gonzales rivera moved To michigan with her. Mother it was hard for her to hear people In america talk About nicaragua as some, hypothetical far away, place as if the war was just part of a political, argument and she was shocked by how Little americans seemed to know about what was really going.
ON i felt that people in THE us were not just, uninformed but were just so, naive very very. Naive people wanted it to be a black and white. Story they wanted it to, be you, know good guys and bad. Guys, right over two percent Of nicaraua's population died between in the mid seventies and nineteen Ninety and what you see is just this, continuous CONTINUOUS us military and political and
financial involvement in this, tiny tiny. Country and it just makes you, wonder like, why you, know what have Nicarong ones done to deserve? This and there is no, answer you, know as a nicarague and as a, historian there is no.
Answer by the summer of nineteen eighty, Five Oliver north's secret campaign to funnel, money, weapons and supplies to The contras was going full steam, ahead but it wasn't quite a secret as he. Thought here again Is doyle.
McManus there were enough reporters In washington following The Contra war that they began to realize That Ali north had something to do with. It they didn't know exactly what it, was but in the middle of nineteen eighty five a number of articles in newspapers said That Ollie north and The White house were somehow involved with The, contras and at that Point congress got.
Interested members Of congress started writing letters To National Security Advisor bud McFarlane asking what exactly was going on With Oliver north and whether THE nsc was violating The Boland.
Amendment and McFarlane sat down and wrote a formal, reply and it, said in, PART i can state with deep personal conviction that at no time DID i or any member of THE nsc staff violate the letter or spirit of the. Law these were breathtakingly false. Denials he knew that what he was writing was a.
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