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that's right. So he obviously has to move. But other than that, the great update, because you've been in Hawaii all wait, so a lot of things have transpired, Brandon. There's been a lot going on. And I came home to the news that the gentleman who is my neighbor who robbed me, the perpetrator, he was arrested, and it didn't look like justice was going to be served. But we had Jennifer Lopez type of d A or detective

detective you referenced Jennifer Lopez. Question, she's been on the brain. Yeah, apparently she stopped by and she let us know that she was definitely going after him and going to pursue charges. And she did. And when that happened. Jennifer Lopez, Yes Jlo herself descended upon his house with the swat and a fucking helicopter to arrest him. That is exces juice. I mean, I just thought, like, you know, someone would sweep by, pick him up, put him in the back of a cop car. But no, they did a full

descent on his home and he was arrested. So gratifying after that fucking asshole stole from you, not once he stole from him, like a year ago. He broke into their house. Then he came back again, and then he came back again. His friends came back later that day after Brandon chased him down the street and apprehended him himself. The police were like, there's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do unless you catch him in the act,

which you did. But then I guess I've realized that the law is very intricate, that there are a lot of levels to the protections for people, which I understand. However, I fucking caught this guy with the stolen goods, and there were still not much there could be done until again this detective came in on her white horse to save the day. And now I have to go testifying. I'll get to Oh, I can't wait for that. That

is like a courtroom draw. There's nothing I love more than at the Law and Order SVU moment I've been waiting for for so long. Well, it's just so gratifying because it really felt like the police were not going to do anything about this because of this no bail rule that we have in Los Angeles, which means that you can get arrested for a non violent crime, but then you're booked and released the same day. Yes, it's an immediate release, which again I understand components of all

of these things now. And I had a very bad attitude. I was mean to basically everyone I encountered the day we were robbed. I was screaming at every police officer who I had to interact with. And so I'd like to apologize for our behavior. But that's nice. Nobody needs to be yelled ABT. No. I do understand that there are everyone's trying to do their job. Everyone I think wants justice to be served. But because there's been injustice

for so long, we now have to course correct. And again it can go too far one direction or another, but we'll find we'll find the appriate footing. I think, well, so how did you find out about the arrest? The detective emailed while we were away and let us know what was going on and what charges. He's being charged with three felonies. Oh good, maybe whatever his name is, I don't want to say his name, that's not really fair.

Hopefully he'll get a ship together. I spoke to him very compassionately while it was happening, even though you were apprehending him, that this is not the life you want to live. There's so much more opportunity than robbing your neighbors. And I mean, he was on drugs, but I think he heard me. He'll hear me in court. Well, actually, you probably by that time, yeah, I mean you're probably gonna have you already have empathy for him, so you

probably will have to have empathy for people. Actually, my car, since I've lived here, I've lived in l A for six years, my car has been broken into three times, every time it's around Christmas. And I just try and to remind myself that when it happens, because it's so freaking annoying, that whoever is doing that doesn't want to be doing it, that they're in a position where they feel like this is their only option and it's the holidays, like who knows if they're doing it for their family

to get gifts. So you try and lead with empathy in these things. But well more on a happier note, though, you just came back from like your first vacation since I've met you, your first real vacation vacation, And thank you so much for you did not bother me one time. No, I didn't. I didn't want to. I wanted you to enjoy your time in the sun. Literally I did. I had a great time traveling during We're still in a pandemic, were on the tail end seemingly of the last year's quarantine,

and so traveling felt a little strange. And it seemed like we went to a w who it seemed like they wanted it so badly to be wrapped up, but it still wasn't. So there was social distancing. There was you know, capacities at every restaurant, so limited capacities, cacities. So we just spent most of our time on the beach, which is exactly what we were there for, which was nice. And did sweetheart try to surf? I did try to surf,

and it was so fucking hard. And you know, I really pride myself and being able to like lean into any sort of athletic activity and do well. I did not do well with surfingart. You know, I could have told you that Sweethearts aunt serf. I tried to serf once in Portugal, and I ended up with literally my breasts well they were exposed, which obviously everyone knows it's not a big deal for me, but in the way that they were exposed, it wasn't my choice. My bathing

suit basically almost decapitated me. My bathing suit top because the waves were so quick in quick succession that I couldn't get my bearings. And I know that when you strapped the leash to your ankle, it's supposed to be for your safety, but all I wanted to do was get that fucking leash off my ankle. And all I

could do was rip it off. And the guy, my surf instructor, who didn't speak English and I don't speak Portuguese, was saying like gesticulating, don't take off the rope, don't take off the rope on my fuck this rope funk. And then I just swam into shore, and by the time I got to the beach, my bikini top was around my neck, the bottom was gone, just I was bottomless, just soaked. I just covered in sand, and I looked

like a sand dab. Actually I looked like somebody who had been dipped in sand and then was waiting to be fried. And it was humiliating, and I'll never forget my friend's boyfriend came running over to help me cover my Pikachu because it was out because I had no bathing suit bottom. But it was by far the most humiliating beach experience. Oh no, actually I did have another

humiliating beach experience. I also too. Once went to Oahu with my sister showtime, and she and I went to the north shore and we thought, because we've grown up in Martha's Vineyard and we've had a lot of swimming, South beach is rough, and we thought we knew what was up. And we went out and there were all those signs on the beach saying like no swimming, but

we didn't. I couldn't be bothered with that, so we went in and then as soon as we felt the riptide, we were like, oh my god, what the fuck and we were holding each other and holding each other, and then we had to ride in the waves to get out of you know, to get out of the ocean, and we had to time it. Finally I just let go of her hand. I'm like, everybody's on their own. I'm like each man for herself, and then I and it was the same scene, running like in slow motion

to the safety of the beach. And when we got to the shore, everyone was on the beach screaming at us that we shouldn't have been swimming in the water. And then someone thought I was Pam Anderson because at that time I was like white blonde hair with just huge tits, and I pretended I was And I just took a bunch of pictures with some Japanese tourists. I'm sure. Yeah, so that was fun, but yeah, that was another bad ocean experience. The ocean can be very scary. Yeah, it's

I love being on the water. I am so relaxed when I'm there, but if you go out too far, it's very menacing, like you get past the point of no returning, Like, wait, can I make it back to shore? I think I've gone too far, right, And it's also a giant toilet. So that's disgusting because when you really think about what's in the ocean, it's not great. It's the opposite of great. And the critters and the creatures

that are in the ocean are also you know. Well, that's what I did like about Hawaii is that there are no questionable animals out and about We said, you had a baby pup, a seal and her pup. Yeah, but there's no like snakes, so you should love Hawaiian Yeah, that's actually one of my favorite things about Hawaii that there are no snakes. You don't have to worry about anything. They don't have any snakes in New Zealand either. By the way, there was a shark. Good that was scary.

We we kind of like debriefed on the way here. I totally forgot to tell you there's a shark. Of course there was. Well, I did not think I have an unreasonable fear of sharks. When we went to Spain, you had to tell me that there were no sharks in that portion of the sea, so I would get in were But with global warming, they're coming in closer to places that they shouldn't be. And what you do if you see a shark as you hop on the back of it and hold onto the fin like it's

a mountain. You mount it and just hope for the best. That's what I do. Well, that's advice for everyone. Well, where was the shark? So we had just left the hotel of this little private beach and this is where the seal and her pup were nesting, and we had just gone up. We looked over the balcony we were on the highest floor to see the mom and her up The fucking shark had come in to shore, I'm assumed to try and get it, and it just swam around for a few minutes and went on its little way.

I mean it's probably like six or seven foot. It wasn't huge, but too big for me to be comfortable getting back in over there. Yeah, yeah, Well, when they're seals are sharks, I'm like, that's bait I don't need, right, So, how come the shark didn't get the pup or the seal, Well, because I think they had gone too far upshore. They were they were sunning. It must be hard to be constantly on the lookout of being fucking eaten. Well, I guess that's what people have to deal with now with sharks.

I like when people say, oh, well, sharks aren't here to eat people, It's like, well, they keep fucking trying to So who gives a ship what their m O is? They're eating us. These sharks and these whales are much smarter than people give them credit for. Have you seen all these reports about these whales, Like when they hit the side of the boat and they take the propeller off and then they try and sink the boat. It's like a conscious effort. Really, it's like Moby Dick. But

I didn't understand. And moby Dick was when they had all these little boats and when they would go whaling, you know, they're like little I need like almost like the equivalent of like a TP but on the flat for the pool, and they would harpoon the whales and it's like, why don't the whales just buck up against the boat. But maybe what's happening with the whales and the propeller is evolution, because whales now are hip to

it and they're like, hey, stop sucking harpooning us. We need to be more respectful of the sea creatures in the ocean. Itself. It's I mean, it's really disgusting when you see all of the wash up of all these cigarbage and all all those pires. Is that what they're called pires? Or is that an Indian funeral piles pires? Yeah? I think they're called pires. It did give me a different appreciation for Mayorka as well, because of all the great jellyfish they have there, because I was also stung

by jellyfish. I didn't realize it. I don't know if you can even see anymore. I got out and I was looking at my rubbing my arm was like, oh, my arm feels hot. Did I burn it on a curling iron? We didn't have a curling iron, so I knew that wasn't it. And it would have been great if you did have a curling iron and you got it to the beach and he was like, oh, no, you're stung by jellyfish. He goes, but you know a lot of times their toxins aren't like intense enough to

hurt you. And he's like, well, do I need to pee on it? I was like, I don't want you to, but he didn't. He did anyway, Well, it was fully clothed. That doesn't really make a difference. Okay, So what do we got on tap Today's sweetheart? Drugs sobriety? Oh, sobriety. Okay, Well that's boring but necessary for some people. Well let's find out who it's necessary for. Okay. Well, before we get to sobriety, it feels like you want to take

a break. I feel like we should take a break eventually, prepare. Okay, you've done special on drugs, so people often ask you for your advice or input on drugs, and this is something that's pretty consistent across the board. So Scott writes in and he says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a big fan of recreational cocaine, and it's gotten to the point where I find myself micro dosing at work. My colleagues and my boss have both commented on how productive I've been

over the past few weeks. However, they are unaware of the fact that I'm very much high. Is it a bad thing if it's helping me at work? Thanks Scott? Oh my god, wait, wait, micro dosinc. Yes, he's micro docin cocaine. I don't know. Docin cocaine is excellent. Okay, read it one more time. Let me just listen to it, Okay, Dear Chelsea. I'm a big fan of recreational cocaine, and it's gotten to the point where I find myself micro dosing at work. My colleagues and my boss have both

commented on how productive I've been over the last few weeks. However, they are unaware of the fact that I am very much high. Is this a bad thing? If it's helping me at work? This is a real predicament for Scott because the results are positive, and so it's very tricky to to give him sound advice certainly. I mean, he raises a point that why are you it's a micro dose certain drugs, but those drugs are psychedelic drugs, and cocaine is like a narcotic. What is it a Class

three narcotic? I couldn't tell you. I mean, there's really no good argument or science data driven that cocaine it's good for you. I mean, I can't imagine that that's an easy feet throughout the day to just be doing a line in the bathroom, you know, and it's it's dirty and it's gross, and you're snorting it through your nose. So like mixing that in the workplace. As much as I would like to be an advocate for that, I

have to say that it's not okay. You're on a slippery slope because also you just don't know what kind of cocaine you're getting, and whether you like it or not doesn't tell you what people are using to put in it and cut it with. And like you're polluting your body, you know, and you com pollute your body in so many other ways that are less legal damaging. And as we know, Chelsea believes that your body is a temple and it should not be tainted. Your body

is yeah, exactly, your body is a temple. That's what I'm going with. No, no, no, wait, hold on, the cocaine used to that degree is not recommended for anyone. Scott. You you got to like dial it back and find something else that gives you the pep in your step. I know, cocaine feels good and you like for the moment. It will not last like that, It won't. So this is a hard question. So what do you take when

you need a little perk up? Well, I had to take one of my energy drinks, like a five hour energy. You love a five hour energy. I don't love it. It's just it's a necessary evil. I don't love the way it tastes. I don't love the fact that I need it. But you know what, I also like this Macha green teath. This guy is not gonna This guy is saying much. Saying much. This guy is like saying melotoneinto me. You know, it's it's a moot. So do try a five hour energy because that does give me

a jolt. But yeah, lay off the coke at work. What would you think if I started to do drugs at work? Well, you are doing drugs at work, I presume, I mean you take edibles and stuff, don't you. Can you imagine if you walked in on me just doing coke at the kitchen counter. Honestly, at this point, Brandon, I really just wouldn't. I wouldn't even mind. Like I would be like, if that's what you need to do to get you through the day, I would be surprised.

I definitely would be surprised that you were blowing lines at the kitchen table. I've never done coke before, but I often think that I would like to try because i've because I don't think you have the personality for coke. Well, and I trust your recommendation. We've had lengthy discussions about different drugs and what you'll thrive under, and that is not one of them. No. Mushrooms, on the other hand, which you introduced me to, have been very positive. Have

you been doing the chocolate mushrooms lately? Not often, but yeah, I keep a chocolate bar in the fridge. Yeah. I took a chocolate mushroom the other day and it had the adverse effect of putting me in a good mood because I was going to work out with Ben Bruno and I need something, you know, to do that for an hour. It's like I need to be stone loomy, yeah, or lobotomy. And so I took a piece of chocolate and I went over there, and he was extra annoying

on that day. Sorry, almost turned my mushroom, it did. Even though I can't blame it on someone else, I will. It turned my mushroom experience around because Ben, you know, he can ruin anything. Yeah, that's like the first time, well, first and only time I took Molly. I took it and I went to my first like gay warehouse party where one's dancing. There's no words in the music which is the fucking worst. And I walk in and immediately everyone's very touching and feely, and I guess that's what

Molly is supposed to do. And I was highly irritable, like a fourteen out of ten. I walked in. I go, first of all, it smells like fucking taco seasoning and here everyone has b O. I want to get out. And then people come up and they're like rubbing on you and they're touching it. I just look this guy in the face, I go, do not touch me. I go, whatever you're feeling, I'm not feeling feeling. I wish I were, because this is so unenjoyable, weird that you had that

reaction to time. Now I don't feel like I need to do it again. But yeah, well yeah that's too bad, because as Molly is fun. I did some Molly when I was in Canada. It was really fun. You see, you always have a good time. I feel like, yeah, well, I just set my intention and that's to have a good time. Now I'll know for next time. Oh and for clarification purposes, we did look it up. Cocaine is a level two grade to narcotic, so I misspoke as usual, okay.

Our next mission comes from Shane. He is thirty years old out of California. He writes, Dear Chelsea, I've been smoking weed since I was seventeen. I'm almost thirty one, and no matter how many times I try and smoke less, I fail. Shane, I feel like a month long break would benefit me as I don't really get high anymore. This sounds just like is this you, sweetheart? Let me see. All three of my roommates partakes, so there's always weed and bongs, pipes and paraphernalia around the house. What do

I do? Shane? Shanee? This is a common issue where you have sweetheart on the phone because she deals with this. Shane. If you're not hi, Shane, how you doing good? How are you? I'm good, I'm good. You're so cute? Then are you there right now? If you're not getting high, you have to take a break. It's the only way to get your high back. You have to take a

month off. So when I was developing this brand of weed that I haven't still haven't released yet, they explained to me that you can either take a week a month off or a month a year off, and that is how you maintain the intensity of your highs. So I do that. I don't have that. I have done it. I have done it and it works. But if you really can't get high anymore, you need to take a break. I don't know what to tell you about your roommates. It's gonna involve some serious world power. I have none.

What are the repercussions of the Shane? You have a terrible memory? Right? Is this correct? You've just spent the most crucial years infecting your brain or actually diminishing your brain capacity. So yeah, you've got to take a break. I agree. I've been smoking since I was seventeen, even with my dad as a teenager, so it's like ingrained in my DNA at this point. Okay, well quickly, what's seventeen times seventeen? Well, I don't know exactly. How's your

dad doing? How's his mental alacrity? Oh he's way worse than I am. Okay, well, you should use that as an example of what not to do. Right, that's true. But he's also an alcoholic on top of that, so he's lost. Well he's doubling down. That's not gonna be good for anyone. But there is still time. Are you an alcoholic. To Shane, you don't drink. I drink, just not to that extent. Okay, So why don't you just focus on having a couple of beers here and there instead of your weed for a month. I swear if

you do it, we should incentivize him somehow. There's no way to know if he's going to stick with this. He is a pothead. He's not gonna remember. First of all, I mean, let's hear what the incentive is. I don't know. I was just thinking about what we could do to incentivize you. I don't know. I didn't have anything. Because if I start giving out prizes to people, then that's what this podcast will be about. People will call him

with fake problems wanting you know. I was going to offer you some cash, but I realize I can't do that. Well disclaimer, Shane only gets prized, but there is still time for you to correct your memory loss. Like there are so many apps now that you can download in little game and brain teasers, and I do them all the time because I feel like you. Granted I don't smoke like you, I would assume, but he's not worried about that. He's not worried about his brain Aboucity. He's

worried about actually not getting high anymore. But that's all that you're worried about. Then there are then there are bigger issues, Shane. I can guarantee you that, Shane without Okay, Well, Shane, you're first of all, you're adorable, so you've got that going for you. And you called in to get advice, so you clearly are serious, right about taking a break from weed. What can you do to give your Please don't call me ma'am. Okay, that is just not except

you say ma'am or I am I am? Yeah, great answer. So what do you do for work? First of all, I work in a a vy warehouse doing shipping receiving and like deliveries and stuff, and I often forget to bring ship on deliveries, right, your favorite thing. You often forget to bring the actual equipment that you're supposed to deliver right because Okay, so you need to Okay, so you need to think of this as an investment in

your future. Like if you take this month off really seriously and assess your life, and you are cognizant and kind of like take the month just to be real and present and not escape, like use it as escapism, you know, treat yourself to beers here and there. Obviously, don't go overboard on that either, because that's not really like a detox, but really try and take a month off. I honestly think you're going to feel a lot differently about pot once you're done with it, and then you'll

have both things. You'll have a clear sense of like what your future is going to hold in a little bit more direction, and you'll also be able to get stoned a lot more easily. Yes, that sounds great and it seems like I already know the answer to this. But are there reasons for your habitual use? Like is it stress, depression, anxiety? Or are you just doing it all the time? Like you couldn't even tell me at this point. Who isn't stressed or depressed at this point?

But it's just always there? Okay, I like go home at the end of the day and just get stoned and chill in my couch. And are you taking edibles at work? Are you stone while you're working? Edibles don't even infect me? Yeah, then you're really far gone. Then you really need the month. You might need a month

and a half, but you do. You definitely need to get a little bit of a like clear idea of when you do it mindlessly like that, then it kind of has lost its luster, right Yeah, yeah, I even have it right here, right right, So yeah, I wish I had it right here. I wonder if there's any I don't know. Okay, well I haven't had I can't find any weed. And I know this is a good practice for you to. Okay, well i'll do Maybe I'll go a month with him. What if I do it

with you? Will that help you? I think that would. Okay, I can commit to a month of no weed, and are you Are you guys going to do something in its place, because that's what I would think. I'll just exercise, Shane, what are you gonna do? We're gonna check in. We we need to check in with him a little bit more regularly because he's going to have a hard time

with us. I'm gonna actually, you know what, Shane, I'm gonna have a hard time with this too because I rely on edibles to go to sleep every night, and I'm just gonna take it out of my repertoire for one month. Okay, I'll do it. Okay, what's this holiday going to be called? Brandon? I don't doomsday for me because you but I still have the chocolate mushrooms. Oh great, great, great? Okay, so do you need chocolate mushroom, Shane. I actually have

chocolate mushrooms. Okay, so those are fine during this time, okay, okay, like a low dose Shane. Let's so, what's the date. We'll just do a month from today, right, okay? Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna be talking about this on my Instagram and stuff. So watch because I'm not going to fall off the wagon. I'm gonna do thirty days. And if you fall off the wagon, you need to notify us. I would never fall off the wagon. Okay, I told you I'll do it all right. Sounds good? Thanks Shane. Thanks Shane. Oh Shane,

real quick? Actually wait, I hear that you used to steal Chelsea's books. Maybe, Shane, are you straight? Uh No, I'm queer, okay, I like everybody? Yeah? Good, okay, Well then I have a fallow up to that too, So I have multiple Now, Shane, what is the difference in queer and pan sexual? Would they be one of the same? Yeah, at least I mean everybody's because it's like you can fall in love with anyone regarding their gender and what they were biologically at birth. Right, Yeah, okay, I'll never

I'll never understand. Well, that doesn't work out because you're you're gay and you need to know these things. For me, there's a lot to keep up with. It's hard to understand it all. Yeah, seriously, Well that's what Shane's here for apparently, and what's the deal with the book? By the way, that also, you know your seman count Shane also, if you want to have children one day, is deeply affected by marijuana abuse at that age. Here's the thing. I'm trance, so I don't have any human all right,

Well there there you go. Well, no, wonder why you're so cute. Did you seal every book? Was this a one off situation? No, it was just two and they were used, so it was like not full price, so really you were doing them a service. Anyways, I would encourage anybody who can steal any of my books to do so. They were great. That's good. I'm glad. I'm glad that's what they're there for your enjoyment. Yeah. I used to sit in them all and read them during

during much. I love that. Keep us posted. We're going to check in. We'll figure out a time to get you back on Okay, alright, Shane, good luck, good luck? Okay, together together, we're doing it. By Shane. Bye. There is no fucking way that I'm going thirty days without a fucking a chance. But I just made that promise to him. I know, sweetheart, but things happen. I know. But I what about the next caller that I make a promise too. We have to well, if it's not weed related, I

would have much more faith in you. Okay, But okay, I'm just thinking if I want to follow through on my word, you could, Shane, I could do thirty days without pot and see what happens. What did you feel like happened after your binge at the beginning of the pandemic and your time and whistler? Because you have pretty consistent use throughout the day most days, right, I think there are times where I find myself to be extra stupid. That's what I'm really bored, and I smoke pot like

I don't. This is why it's going to be good for me to take a month offt You need to do this, Actually, It's also that I'm easily influenced, and I'm also don't remember things well, you simultaneously remember everything. Oh. Also, the time that I took a picture I was in someone's car and whistler, and I said, I really liked this car and sent the video to Brandon and he told me you already have this car, and most recently this weekend. I wasn't gonna say anything, but it's a

perfect segway. Here is you were looking for joints and I had told you where they were hours prior, and you had gone to look for them. And I know this because we were on Marco Polo And then you had said, sweetheart, where are the joints? And I told you again, and I said, I don't know if there's going to be enough left. You said, oh, I've not ever looked for them, so I'm sure that it's fully stocked. Mind you, you had just done it hours before, so

it's probably time the test, sweetheart. Okay, Okay, then, well, so our next mission comes from Robin. She lives in Costa Rica. She's in her thirties, and nobody lives in Darika, who doesn't serve. She writes, dear, Chelsea. I went from a peace loving yoga teacher to a raging maniac. Help. I was sober and single my entire twenties as an no mind altering substances except for an occasional spliff and yearly Ayahwaska retreats. Oh Special, Maybe I know her desperate

to find love. In my thirties, I went into two consecutive relationships that may or may not have been with narcissistic and manipulative men. Well they basically all are who are both drug addicts. I developed a very meaningful relationship with ketamine, like very meaningful, like I would roll out of bed and wake up with a line and sometimes a line and a homemade kombucha champagne cocktail for months.

This is my question. If I have to do ketamine all day, every day and occasionally drink in order to tolerate the relationship I'm in, how much longer should I stay in said relationship? I know it seems like there is an obvious answer to this question, but I am guessing. I'm asking sincerely because it seems like the only other options are one to be with someone who will literally bore me to death, or two you with someone who will annoy me to death? Did you write this? I know?

I was like, listen to how you can't get away from people annoying you. You just have to learn how to cope with it. But not like this. Well, she finishes off. I guess I mostly just feel like the same thing will just keep happening, so it's not just tough a out and it will eventually get better. Robin, what's the ps oh, she says. Ps I'm actually in Costa Rica right now and have been sober for over a month. But I don't necessarily want to be hell O, L I do feel good, though this really seems like

a letter you would write. Well, yeah, if I were snorting ketamine every morning, Okay, Robin, I mean, Robin, you have to stop snorting kennemine. That's snorting anything is not good. And this is coming from somebody who has snorted lots of things. Don't snort ketamine. Please please do it for me. And if you have to do any of these things to be in a relationship, then these people are fucking idiots and you can't be around them. You can't drug

yourself in order to tolerate people. Drugs should be an enhanced or is what I've what I've realized, your sweetheart, that it should just boost things. You shouldn't take them to cope with things. Right, right, And let me be clear, because I talk about my use of cannabis a lot as a coping mechanism, and this is true. I do. I do use cannabis as a coping mechanism, and I have. But I've also realized that he that's not the main reason I do use it, and I tried never to

use it to cope with someone. I try not to have it as the reason have someone as the reason that I need to smoke a joint or take an edible. You have to change your perspective about that. Right, you should be able. You just said you're feeling good. You've been sober for a month, and you're feeling good that the proof is in the pudding. Like you, You just showed yourself that you don't have to operate in that way.

All of these things will end up in flames. Dating any drug addict is going to end badly unless that person is working very hard to get sober. And you don't need to date a drug addict. There are plenty of options for you. To date people that are not drug addicts. And the other option is for you to remain alone and actually do some like soul searching and inner work so that you're not going to find yourself in a situation like this. Again, sweetheart, do you need

to weigh in? I just think that that was beautifully said. I don't know that there's ever an appropriate time to take drugs to manage your relationship. I think that that's and stop snorting things. No snorting, no snorting. I wish I could, I wish I could. I wish I could make a snorting now noise. Now's with my note now Schnauzer, there you go, Thank you, sweetheart. Welcome Please, Robin, just

for me, stop that be alone. Why don't you give yourself three months to be alone and be sober, and I bet you at the end of that you're gonna have a lot of different thoughts than you do right now. Okay, So our next mission comes from Confused in California, thirty years old. They write, Dear Chelsea, I need some advice with a friend who's struggling with sobriety. My childhood best friend has recently acknowledged that she's an alcoholic. I live

here in California and she lives in Rhode Island. I told her, I'm so proud of you. I support you. I will do anything to help you. I researched counseling services and resources for her to start her sober journey, and checked in with her frequently on her progress. This enlightened moment was unfortunately short lived, as it quickly turned into an oh, just one glass of wine tonight, or I won't drink the entire bottle. Not today, Katie, I

need to relax. I'm trying to remain positive and supportive, but I'm frustrated that I'm going to have to watch my friends slam into rock bottom? Do I need therapy? Do I need to cut her out of my life? And I am enabler? Am I annoying? I'm so freaked out that the next phone call I have with her will be the last. Any advice or compassion on the issue would be a huge breath of relief. Hi Anonymous, Hi Chelsea, Hi Brandon, Hi, Hi, thanks for writing in

so How short lived was your friend's sobriety? Well, it's back and forth, and it's new, it's fresh. Um, I think this is her first time really acknowledging that there's a bigger issue that she wants to focus on. Since I wrote in, she has been making some big strides and some big steps on trying to find help and support and therapy. But I think really unfortunately in this country, mental health help can be so hard to find, especially if you don't have insurance or you don't have the

right insurance. So she's trying, and I'm trying to help her, but still new and fresh. Yeah, so you seem like a really good friend a So there's that to be grateful for and proud of, right, thank you? Yeah, Yeah, I've had this experience. I was just with a friend this morning who recently got sober, well like you know, six months ago, but she went to rehab. There was

a big intervention. I had told her myself that there was a problem, and then she had a big intervention and that's when she went to rehab and she came out and she is living the high life. She's like, this is the best adventure I've ever been on. Is sobriety. So there is hope for all of these people, you know, So don't ever give up on people. First of all, because people do change just when you least expect it. Sometimes they change, you know, when they hit their rock bottom.

Some people don't need to hit a rock bottom. So first and foremost, there are tools for you to know about. Oh, oh my god, this book that's sitting right here, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, A Guide to reclaiming Yourself. Look at this book. I just picked this up because it was about codependence and counterdependence and it really expliccause I'm like, oh, I'm

not codependent. And it's like, well, when you enable somebody and you make their problems your problems, and you talk about their problems like they're your problems, that is codependent. That's huge codependent. I think I suffer from counter dependency, which will get into later because this isn't really about

me right now. Sometimes I forget. But you don't want to be a codependent friend, right You don't want to enable her, but you do want to be supportive of her, and so that if she does make a mistake, there's not anything punitive from you as a friend. It's like, oh, okay, we had to slip up. Well, I guess we as probably codependent too, right, but like you had to slip up that's okay, it's not the end of the world.

I'm still here for you. And it's like, like you're a team member for her, right, you know you want to act like that, like she can rely on you. I have that with my friends. It's so important for me to be the reliable one, Like I want to do what I say and say what I do and show up. So I get that. But what's the latest with her? What have the last few weeks been? Like, Well, I think she's at the point where she's ready to get into treatment and she's ready to find the support

that she needs. But I think she's still in that realization of, Oh, I can't have a glass of wine on Friday. Oh I have to tell people I can't have champagne at their wedding. I have to I can't. You know, it's a social thing that she's starting to realize, which you're right, I'm probably codependent of like no one cares. It's just me. I love you, and I'm like hyper positive and I just don't want to be like annoying.

Like I can imagine somebody that's having those realizations of you know, this is something I'm going to have to deal with the rest of my life. I'm like, nah, girl, you're good. Shut up. This isn't about you. So I think I just I think that's really helpful to hear. Is maybe I never realized I was codependent on her. Is a part of my personality of trying to help is I need to step back and let her take charge.

Well yeah, and you can be like a ballast of support for her, you know, but you are not her, right, So that's a good reminder and you don't want to play. You should pick up this book though, because it's really about like all that kind of stuff. And I was reading and I was like, oh my god, this is

so good for me to read again. It's called Set Boundaries, Fine Piece by Nedra Glover tawab t A w w A B. Anyway, the other thing that is helpful that I learned from one of my friends who got sober was to not make it a permanent thing, to not think of it as a permanent thing, to not think of it as I can never have a drink again, you know. I mean, it's like kind of like what they do in a a which is, you know, take it one day at a time. But there's a permanence.

When people say like I can never have sugar again, or I can never have a cigarette again. You know, hopefully that's you don't ever have another cigarette. But I don't even think you smoke, So I don't, but she does, and you know that's like so I'm like, all right, we gotta really balance our our demons here. And I guess cigarettes. You know. That's the thing too, is there's a lot of things that I don't do that I'm like, oh, it's trying to stop, you know, And that's the opposite

of what people in her situation want to hear. So I think you're right. Is as much as I can just be that support and be like, it's maybe it's not permanent. I just I wonder too. This is kind of a hot topic of conversation because we live in California, the idea of California sober I've heard that a lot recently, and and it's something that her and I talk about, is do you cut out you know, what the substance is that you feel that you're addicted to, or are

things like weed and cigarettes? Are those still okay? Yeah? And I think that's you know, that's obviously going to be a personal choice for her, but like if she has an addiction problem, it's great to cut everything out for a period of time and then recalibrate, right and you know, when she's going to a wedding or she's going to event, she doesn't, you know, if she has to tell if somebody she's not drinking. She just said I'm not drinking right now. I'm not drinking right now.

And that's much less of a big deal than saying I'm sober or I'm not drinking again, you know what I mean. It takes the drama out of it. So maybe you can help her reframe that in her mind as well. Yeah, I think I think it's all fear, which is totally normal. You know. I think at thirty, we're at the point where it's like we can go on vacation and get crazy, but you can't do that

on a Tuesday at eight am. I think that finally was the point that she got to of like, oh my other friends aren't doing this, or you know, we're not on vacation. I shouldn't be, you know, drinking this earlier all day every day. So it's it's such a learning curve that I don't know if as a kid,

I saw this happening for our relationship. But I'm just happy she's okay and wants to take these steps and we're able to get advice from people like you and other professionals that that know what they're talking about because it's so sensitive and it's so layered. Yeah, well, she's lucky to have your friend like you that cares enough to call it about this, you know. So that's really nice. And we will keep your anonymity because you requested that,

and I mean that's really good. And all you can do is just show up for her and be supportive, and if she does slip up, you know, that's not the end of the world either. It's just a little mistake and it's a little blip, and you know, you got to look at the bigger picture and where she's headed in that direction and just try and help support that movement. Definitely, And I'm definitely going to get that book, Okay. Yeah, I'm always on a book book tour, so I love

and I love your books too, They're so great. And you even though I know you said, like in your podcast before, like I'm not a doctor, but you know, just hearing someone with such experience and growth is so helpful. Well, thank you for calling in, Brandon. Did you want to say any fucking thing? It was very It was very it's falling in love. It was very eloquently put. The only thing that I would add is that I've had to learn this the hard way. But support does not

have to be up close and personal. You can you can support people from afar sometimes and that's what they need as well. So I know it seems that in those moments you need to really be there by their side, but it can almost be overwhelming, I think to a certain degree. So just letting them know acknowledging that you're there and that if they need anything you are happy to support however you can. But it doesn't have to

be consistent, ay check ins. It doesn't have to be holding them accountable like they have to do that themselves as well. So I think just you know, as she kind of embarks on this and you're along for the ride, you have to remember it's her ride, like you're just in the car, So kind of let her lead the way, but be there how you can. And yeah, I think that you're doing all the right things. You're posing the

right questions. Again, like Chelsea said, she's really lucky to have you in her corner to support, So it's just kind of rethinking about how you're doing that. And to Chelsea's point, the one last thing that I would say is she can take back the purpose of this and she can change the verbage instead of saying like I can't have this, I don't want it, Like you don't want to be drunk at nine am as a third

year old. So even in that way, like I have to remind myself, I don't want fifty five popped hearts a day. I would like them sometimes, but like I don't want that, like I want to be better and healthier, and she does too. So even reframing those little words instead of I I don't want, because then it's your choice, it's not something that's being chosen for you. Definitely, I love that analogy of being in the car. I'm in the car, I've got my seatbelts on and I'm just

trying not to jump out. I just I want to be there and maybe in the back seat, like maybe I'm just you know, in my car seat in the back. Yeah, you have your headphones on, your not backseat driving you're just there. Well, you do want to have an air bag, so you might want to sit up front. Good boy, that's a good point. Definitely, Well, thank you so much. Let us know how it goes. Keep us posted on her posted. I definitely will for sure and all her

her success and her struggles. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate it. Have a good day by you too. By What are your thoughts on that? My thoughts on that are that I just love all of our callers. I can't believe how normal and cool everyone has been. Every single time we get on the phone, I'm like impressed by the person. Do you know how nice that is?

It's shocking, honestly because most people, all these people seem so great it and like they would have good, you know, social skills out in the real world, but then you interact with people outside of the studio and that's not the case. So this is a good time to bring in Demi Lovato, who just came out as non binary. So congratulations for coming out as non binary, because that is a very difficult thing to do. Demi has a lot of experience in talking about addiction. They have their

own personal experience with addiction. So I think they will be able to contribute to this conversation in a way that you are. I may not be. There's nothing more enticing about a person endearing than authenticity in their flaws or their errors, because you know, what you get is what you see. Yeah, Okay, hi, Demi, Hi, but that was so nice. You're so sweet. Well, Brandon, I'm not really that sweet. It looks so you look so cutey. Thank you got dressed up just for y'all. I'll look

at that. Your outfit matches your lamp. Look what you did color coordinating. It's a very tired eye, look Sudhart. They're busting out of their shirt, just like you do in front of me every day. Sweetheart. I'm just trying to thank you, thank you for noticing. Actually, well I'm gay, but as you know, I immediately look at someone's chest just to see what's going on. Only gay men can say that now, or can they actually? Who fucking no, don't know. I probably shouldn't know. You shouldn't we take

it back? I know. So you're welcome to all the straight men. Okay, So, de mean, we needed your input on a couple of callers we've had in so we know these are areas that you kind of have been really public about, so we would love your feedback. What is the first one, sweetheart? Well, so, the first one is someone wrote in about a friend who is slipping off of the wagon. So I think they're just having

a little difficulty on their journey through sobriety. And in your experience of going through sobriety a couple of times and knowing that it's a process that there's no one track for each person, how do you think people can be there to support someone who is trying you stay sober.

I think the best way to handle any situation when it comes to helping someone through an addiction is having compassion for that person, knowing that that addiction is stemming from a place of pain, and so therefore when that person is acting out in their addiction, they're hurting. You know, nobody ever acts out in an addiction out of joy, and so I always just try to remember that, Like, if this was a friend of mine falling off the wagon, I would have compassion for them. I would absolutely let

them know that I was there for them. But that it's tricky because for me, I can't be around people that are actively using things that either I used to like or just things that are dangerous. I don't like watching my friends put themselves in situations that are harm full because of I too, I've I've lost a lot of people, and so I set a strong boundary with those people while also telling them if you need help, If you want help, I'm here for you. I love you,

and I'm here for you. I can't sit by and watch this happen to you. I'm not abandoning you. I'm here, but I can't sit by and watch. And so when you're ready to get the help that you need, I'll be there for you and whatever capacity you need me to, whether that's calling the rehab and getting you set up there or taking you to a meeting or whatever it is. Like, I think compassion is key. What's your take on tough

love in that situation? Does it work? I think, like you said, it's it's different for every person, and so tough love may work on some people. It did not work on me. Tough love to me felt like these people are leaving me once again. Kind of fueled the fire. And so that's why I stress compassion so much when talking about people in their addictions because it's like they're

obviously going through something. And so when someone says I'm leaving, I'm out of here, tough love whatever, you know, that made me go more inward and that made me actually act out more. And so I air on the side of caution when telling people to have tough love. You know, it's it's important to stay completely transparent and honest. You

can totally do that. But I think in the same way that I don't do well with a trainer that yells mean things that made when I'm working out like I'm going to do better when I have a trainer that's like, hey, you're killing it, keep going like or I know this is hard right now, but you can do this. You know. It's like it's stuff like that that helps push me to the other side of the finish line. And it might actually be the wrong thing to say to someone, and you can't take it back,

you know. That's the tricky part about tough love. So once you go past that line, you kind of can't reel it in because they've already heard the toughness. Yeah, yeah, which is my specialty. So I'm glad that we got your point of view on that for sure, because you speak from experience, which is better than no experience at all. And I haven't had to get that kind of tough love, so I yeah, So I'm glad I didn't give advice

on that and we had. It's interesting to hear because my mom is currently going through an issue with her sobriety. So she's an alcoholic, she was sober for a chunk of time. She's no longer sober. She actually may be sober right now. It's a little touch and go. But for me, my stance has always been you have to be sober for yourself. So as much as I wanted to be there to support her, I didn't want her

kids to be the reason she stayed sober. So what about family members who have someone who's going through this and they want to be supportive but also want to set up positioning where you have to be sober for yourself. It has to be something you want because then there's a pressure to those around you to help them maintain hang their sobriety, and a responsibility like if we do something, we could be harming your path of sobriety, right, you know. I think that's why if you always act out of

a place of compassion. You can't go wrong. I think that when having empathy for people, no one's going to take that the wrong way. You know, it's it's you're showing love, You're showing grace and mercy. I think that having the understanding that, like we've kind of been taught through the Book of Alcoholics Anonymous for almost a hundred years now, that that is the only way right. And and not to say anything bad about a A by any means, it's just it's almost a hundred years old.

And so with the way that things progress over time, there starts to become different solutions for different people. And so it's it's no longer a one size fits all solution. What if your mom decides that she doesn't want to be sober and she's able to manage it, you know, it just we don't know what the future holds. And so I think being mindful of like it always has to come from a place of that person wanting to be sober. If they don't want to be sober, they're

not going to stay sober. They're always gonna wonder and if and it just it's one vulnerable moment I had but I think that's true what you're saying, Like, you know, a A isn't for everybody. I had a friend who got sober and he didn't do it through a he didn't go to rehab. He was like, this sounds all.

He got ketamine treatments and he just stopped one day and then he would drink when he was on vacation, but not drink when he was here, and then he just stopped and it's been like two years since he's had a drink. And he was like, listen, a A is not for me, Like, I'm not going to a A meetings and I'm not going to rehab. He's like, I understand I have a drinking problem. I understand it got out of hand, but I'm never going to say to myself, I'm never going to drink again. He goes,

I'm not doing that to myself. I'm just going to say I had to get the situation under control, and then that turned into sobriety for him. Right, And it's just kind of like it's almost analogous to the classroom isn't always the best place for kids to learn, right. Everybody has different needs and desires and they respond to different kinds of interactions with people, and I think that applies to everything in life now so well sobriety. The way that Demi just described it, it's kind of like

the Constitution. It's like how this was established with a There are so many more possibilities now for people to get their addictions under control or to find an outlet that is not they're going to abuse. So, for instance, I don't know what the positioning is for a A, but my mom at the time was interested in taking cannabis to be able to relax to night because that was her stressor and when she would drink. And so

that's California sober, isn't it. That's California. Yeah, And so you've mentioned that and not to me seems like a much more realistic approach to trying to find something that works for you, because just because you had an issue with one substance does not mean you're going to have an issue with another. But again, it's reconciling that there was an issue and then trying to enter into that cautiously.

I would think, yes, absolutely, it's it's look, I I am aware of where my substance patterns have ended me up in the past. So it's like, even when starting this journey of California sober, you know, I needed to be very careful that I wanted to make sure that I didn't start smoking too much. And there's been periods where I've smoked probably too much, and then and some

periods where I don't smoke at all. You know, it's just about finding that balance of what works for you, and so I encourage you to support your mom and finding what works best for her. Look, I always go back to cannabis because I just I know I'm going to wake up in the morning. I can't say the same for other substances. And that's why I feel okay smoking. Now, if that doesn't work for another person, then that doesn't

work for them, and that's okay. I just encourage support finding their journey and their own path and not just going to this dogmatic view of recovery, which is, you know, A or the highway. Well, so that kind of answers the next question. So we have someone call in who has been Shane taking well, so Shane Shane is one. We'll get to Shane, but the the other one was the person who called in and they had been using

ketamine to try and make their relationship work. So they're trying to find something that, again not specifically to the relationship the way Dummy's describing it, but you have to find something that works for you. I don't know what's going on in the relationship that would cause them to need to supplement its seemingly happiness with a subject. Ademine isn't necessarily Snorting lines of ketamine is a lot different than academine infusion, which is usually guided by a medical professional.

I am not a medical professional. I like to repeat that consistently on this podcast because I know a lot of people get confused because I'm trying to confuse them him. But ketamine infusions are a very therapeutic tool for a lot of people. So snort and kenemine is kind of like something you would do at a party or off somebody's ass. Much different utility, right, right, So kenemine infusions

are one thing, and those are helpful. Like that. My friend who got sober went and got ketamine infusions in l A a a bunch of times, and that's becoming, you know, more mainstream than it ever has been. With micro dosing psilocybin LSD, like there's all these great healing benefits. But I actually let's talk about Shane though, because I can. So. This guy called in. He says he's a stoner. He stoned all the time, his roommates smoke all the time,

and he just feels like brain dead. And I was like, it sounds like you need a break, like and when I you know, I'm researching cannabis and reading about it. I've been told that you take like a week a month or a month a year. So I told him to take a month off. And then I was like, you know, and he's like, it's gonna be so hard, and I was like, I'll do it with you. I'll take a month off just to do it in concert with him. But also I feel great taking a break

from smoking weed. You know, it's another exercise of your control over yourself, like to say, okay, I can say no to this for thirty days, it's obviously gonna do me good. I'd love to be able to smoke a joint in thirty days and be high as a kite again, you know, like, you know, I get that feeling back instead of having you know, over smoking, like I can tend to do. Do you take breaks from weed I do. I call them weed taxes, like a little I'm like, yeah,

I just tell my therapist. I'm like, yeah, I'm going on a little weed talks this week. And uh, I just I actually didn't even know that that's what you're supposed to do. I just kind of like naturally started doing that, because yeah, if you if you're not careful, you can build your tolerance too quick and then all of a sudden, your tolerance is super high, and you're just like, it is nice to take a break, and first of all, you feel super clearheaded, super present, and

then yeah, your tolerances jump started. So it's like I kind of I think I used to do that with caffeine to back in the day when I was drinking caffeine,

but like, yeah, it's just it's it's interesting. It's like cannabis is something that like it's so gentle, and in my experience, it may not be that way for everybody else, but in my experience it's been so gentle to where if I need to go without it for a period of time, I can stop and be fine, and then when I'm on vacation, I can smoke it during the day and and at night and be fine. You know.

I definitely agree with the tolerance though, you know, that's my main objective, because my tolerance gets so high that like all of a sudden, you know, I can take like a twenty five milligram edible and just feel like a little dense, and you're like, okay, this is getting carried away, you know. And plus it becomes very expensive.

I was in the habit of getting in my car in the morning or in the you know, we'll be on the way to the podcast and I'll have a joy, you know, and then I'm just like, oh wait, this is my becoming my morning routine. I don't want anything to be my morning routine that's not purely healthy, you know. So it's always been to change up the dynamic and to change up your relationship to the substance or whatever

it is you're having. Noticed that if you are having like a really hard time putting it down, maybe it's time to reevaluate your relationship with that substance. You know. If the weed talk is too difficult, it's like, talk to the therapist, do what you gotta do and figure it out, because obviously that's not working for you. Anymore

if you're needing to do it every single day. Well, it's interesting to hear you talk about cannabis because women are finally getting a place in the cannabis space again where it's been predominantly male focus for so long, and there are so many ways to take it now with edibles, with the vapens, you you can sick them anywhere basically

so our spositories. I've seen this so for for women who are listening to this and thinking like I would love to introduce myself to cannabis as a way to deal with my anxiety, to help me sleep, to to enjoy a day out. You know, some people want to be social but have such a hard time getting over the hump in a social situation. What would you both recommend for women who are interested in want to dabble

get into enter the cannabis space. I think you just have to go to your local, like honestly, the micro dosing. You can find things that are two and a half milligrams, you can find mints that are one milligram, and you have to just go with the smallest, smallest dosage and try it and see how it affects you. Because it is not for everybody. You know, I'm the biggest pusher

in the world. I want everyone to be stoned, but some people just I have a couple of girlfriends that cannot handle it, and I'm not trying to convince them anymore because I've tried too many times and it always ends up, you know, not being pretty. So I'm like, Okay, I give up about you. I would say so, yes, definitely going to your local dispensary. I think there's there's really interesting ways that you can, like you said, and take cannabis. So there's these drinks called can those too. Yeah,

they're like two milligrams. If someone comes over and they're not used to smoke king, I'll give them one of those and say. They even have like a lid that you can save it for later of situation. Or like dosst pens, they vibrate when you've hit a full hit and so it measures the hits out for you. So not just like hitting a vape pen. There's different ways, and I encourage people to explore. That's what life is about, is exploring and so finding what works for you. And

if that's if that's cannabis, great, If it's just CBD. Great. If it's none of the above, great, whatever works for you because of your history, did you have people in your circle that are concerned that you're even smoking cannabis or are they pretty supportive of the green um? I'd say my my team is, for the most part, pretty supportive.

I've been on this journey since like summer of two thousand nineteen, so it's not been I think we're I've gained trust back and you know, they've they've seen me be able to have a healthy relationship with cannabis. I think that maybe my security guard, Max and maybe Scooter are like the They kind of are like Max is like my dad. He's like I think he'll always just be the type of dad that like never wants to

see his daughter smoking weed. You know what I'm saying, Like he rolls his eyes when I light up a joint or something. But like it's it's not out of judgment. It's just like whatever floats true vote kind of thing, and we make jokes about it. But yeah, I think that's I think it's out of protectiveness. And if anything, everyone or else else around me knows how much it works for me and how much has changed my life because I've been able to find relief and still wake

up the next morning. And also just you know, when I'm celebrating something like my album, you know, it's no longer like you don't have to go to a bar and get drunk, you and light a joint, remember the entire night, you know. So it's just it's it's cool. People have seen how it worked for me, how it works for me, and they're just supportive now. So moral of the story is, with substances, there's no one size fits all. With recovery, there's no one size fits all.

But remember when we're going to go look at that house. A few weeks ago, I forgot that we saw a house, and then I looked at it online. She was very stones when we went, oh my god. And then three weeks later I saw the house online. I said to him the link. I'm like, I want to see that house. He's like, sweetheart, we already saw that house, did a full walk through, spent like a chunk of time in this home. So that's just how you know when it's time for a weed talk. Yeah, that's right, and you

need to get that shirt. But I'm like, right, I'm blacking out on weed. I don't need that. That's why I don't drink so much anymore. I mean I thought, yeah, I didn't. I didn't realize your memory could go. But you know what, Yeah, that's exactly right. So I'm excited about my weed talks, and I'm thank you for your stamp of approval. Demi. Yes, absolutely, we talk up. Thank you so much, Thanks so much for calling in. We

love you, Thank you, love you guys. Okay, it sounds like it's time to take a break, so that's what we're gonna do. You guys will be right back. Well that was fun, Demi Lovato was fun. Yeah, they're a good time. Yes, I like them. They are coming from a place of love, and as we are, sweetheart, we are coming from a place of deep love. Deep. You must lead with love. You must lead with deep love. Deep.

So important to have these conversations about drugs because as things become legalized, and and as these drugs become more popularized to some degree, we need to know about appropriate use, about responsible use, and the only way to do that is to have conversations that might be a little uncomfortable. But I can't wait till my niees we're doing here. I can't wait till my niece starts to get like

because she's so anti drugs. I was in San Francisco last weekend visiting my sister, and my niece is so anti drugs, like she is so drugs everything like she I mean, she knows we we are always taking edibles, are always out and about. Obviously we have no secrets in our family, and she's just always like we always try to get her to have a drink. We were like, come on, have a glass of champagne, and she's just

like nope, nope, nope. And I'm just like, you know what, I was anti drugs too, and when in high school I was against them. I couldn't believe people who use them. And then I tried them. And so is it? What is her stance on it? Why is she in such opposition. I think she's just she wants to be in control of herself. So I think that's it. I think that's a lot of people's reasons for not wanting to experiment is that they are going to lose control. I kind

of like that feeling. Do you think it's But I also don't feel like I lose control when I take an edible or something like that, it's not a loss

of control. It's just you're not as I don't know, but for people who are Type A, it does feel out of control to some degree, because that's how I feel, I would assume, especially when I started, because I am so particular and so in control in a lot of ways that when I took an edible, it's like how when I take a five milligram it could feel like I'm taking a twenty because I'm wound so tight that that level of relaxation feels very foreign, or did in

the beginning for me. But it was also a superiority thing for me, Like I liked being able to say that I'd never done drugs, and then I realized what the fund is? What's the point of that, because then I will have never experienced anything right, right, right, And now I've done drugs and I'm much happier about it. Yeah, well,

I mean as long as you're yeah. I mean, everyone needs to just get over themselves with regard to drugs like there, we really have to work hard at destigmatizing all of it because it's like, especially cannabis, it's medicine for so many people like I don't want anybody to

being denied of medicine, do you well. And it's interesting because the my Midwest counterparts, my family who are still there, their stance is so against recreational canvas they're talking about because they're all indoctrinated by government saying that it's a criminalized thing. And yeah, they're all alcoholics, exactly like alcohol

is better than cannabis. No, fucking nay, no, especially not for the blow no. I remember I gave my dog Chanca zan x once on a flight to Spain and he, I know, all of this is very relatable listeners, he freaked out. He freaked out, and he was heightened and psycho and he was acting in ways I had never seen him act before. But it was such a long flight. I thought I was helping him, so I could just put him to sleep for the flight so he wouldn't

be on a twelve hour flight. And it backfired. And when also backfired was that I also had taken the zan x, so I was sleeping and he was fucking freaking out. And when I got home and I spoke to my vet, I said, I don't understand what happened, And he said when your dog is in a heightened state like what you were describing, if you give him a zan X, he will stay in that heightened state. And I was like, well, I'm like I'm in a constant state of ad agitation and when I take a Zannex,

I go to sleep. So I guess dogs physiology and biology is different than ours. Well now we know, and that's an important lesson for everyone listening. Do not give your dog humans annex. No, that was an actually it was his annex that I took from him. To be completely honest, I looked up what that that had prescribed him and I was like, oh, I like xann X. Because you're a doctor, you knew what portions you. So I gave one of myself and I give one to

Chunk and then I had a really embarrassing flight per Chunk. Well, on that note, the important thing is to calibrate your drug experience, because there's losing control in a fun, harmless way, and then there's losing control of your life, and you know those things are different, and losing control of your life is very very serious. As we've heard today from

a lot of people. It's not a fun ride. A road to go down well, that you need to take personal inventory of where you're at with your drug use, which is what you're doing now. So you're gonna take a month Off'm going to take a month off of cannabis, and I'm going to hold you and my taking off a month of edibles and smoking or just smoking your throat could use it for the smoking, but you should probably do a full detox. Okay, I can do that,

no problem. Well report back. Yeah, I'm setting an example. I gave Shane my word and I'm not going to break it. Shane. We'll see what Shane. I hope Shane is able to get through the month. Probably not, but I'll do it regardless because I stand by my word. It's science. I hope I don't get pregnant.