A Doggy-Dog World with Samantha Bee

white girls drunk from the suburbs all over. It's it's a lot. It's a lot dyeing the river green. Is that possible? They really do it. I always thought it was just like a euphemism when I was growing up, But then when I moved to the city, like later on into Chicago, they like fully put die into the river and diet like it's kind of always a little green, but they diet bright green. Supposedly it doesn't kill all

the fish. But you know, yeah, that sounds very suspect. Well, hopefully you're all wearing green today because it is St. Patty's Day. But if you need something to wear, you might check out our merch. Yeah, everybody. We have new merch. We have Dear Chelsea merch which you can order on my website Chelsea handler dot com. And we have cute t shirts and cute hats and yeah, go and get some.

We have added some second shows in areas. I'm filming my next stand up special at the Rymann in Nashville, so tickets are now on sale for that, and we've added second shows in d C. And at the Wiltern in Los Angeles and oh, San Francisco. Yeah, we're adding a second show in San Francisco at the Masonic and that weekend I perform at the Masonic two shows and then Joe Koi performs the next night and the next

night and at some arena in San Francisco. So we're gonna be both performing in the same city the same weekend. So how fun, Oh my goodness, just bull descending on a city and just doing wonderful thing, descending on our hot air balloon. That's how we like to enter cities. That's really fun. That's really fun. So are you making a point to sort of try and tour together so you can actually see each other or how does that

work in your life. Yeah, I mean I think thee well his tours, and his tour kind of wraps itself up in April and then because he's shooting his special, so then he's done. And then I think he'll probably just come on the road with me, like as a plus one. And then you know, obviously we're gonna want to He'll, you know, come and make surprise guest appearances. That's my shows and like I like to do when

I'm with him. But I think, yeah, we want to work towards a thing where we're going to be performing together so that the next tour we're in it together, you know, So we'll have to figure out our Lucy and DESI act. But I don't think it'll be a problem. No. I mean you seem to get along very well and like people are psyched to see you both together. It's just really fun. Well, I know Joe is not with you, but I hear somebody's going to be with you soon. Oh.

I am taking my dogs alone to Whistler. I just I don't want to be away from them any longer. And I wasn't so great at taking them out to go to the bathroom last year, Like I put these p pads on my balcony and I would just leave the door open and by the time I came home, there would just be like pe pads on my balcony filled with urine, and I was like, oh my god, I'm turning into courtly love. But now Joe, coming back and forth, I'm feeling like he's going to contribute a

little bit more. He's more of the get up and take the dogs for a walk kind of guy than I am. So I'm just kind of pawning that off on him and using him like a bitch is basically what I'm doing. I'm like, you know what, Joe, you can take care of the dogs because he is their stepfather and they love him. They're starting to love him, and I don't want to be away from them anymore.

Are they calling him dad yet? No, they're not going to say that, and they I don't even think they speak English quite frankly, so they're never going to say that Papa Bear. Maybe that's all I can but yeah, so I'm gonna take them with me. That means I'm taking them to like my stand up shows, and then we're flying into Whistler and then they'll be there with me for a couple of months. Are they like pretty

good flyers? Yeah, they're pretty good wherever. Like yesterday, Joe and I took Bernice to Starbucks with us, and Joe has one of these ridiculous cars. It's a convertible. I don't know what kind it is because it's just so loud you can hear them coming from like three blocks away. I'm like, how do we get it? You're successful? Like cool it with the fucking cars. Anyway, we brought Bernice to Starbucks and she sat in my lap and had

her arms paws around me. Albeit it was a forced situation because there was nowhere else for her to go because it's like a two seater sports car, so she was forced to have to hug me. But I'll take it. And it was adorable, And I was like, you know what, I'm not willing to go another month without them. No, you just like need that cuddly buddy that you can embrace. Yeah. Yeah, and they're gonna be upset when they're not around my belt, my housekeeper, But you know what funk that? Because they've

been with her for months. They she took them last night for her own She's like, I need to sleep over if they're going. And then Felix, my dog walker who's there works at the house every day, said the same thing. He had a sleepover with them on Saturday. I was like, oh my god, it's like we're ride sharing these It's like a group on with these dogs.

Everyone loves them. Our guest today is the host of Full Frontal with Samantha b which is in its seventh season and it airs on Thursdays at ten on TBS. And she also has a podcast which I was just on called Full Release, and that's wherever you get your podcast. Please welcome Samantha b. Hi. Like, I was so excited, thank you for having me. Oh my god, I'm excited to be here. Okay, this is strange because we were just we just recorded your podcast and we are now

recording my podcast. But this is the actual first time that we have ever spoken, which doesn't really make a lot of sense. It doesn't make any sense. And like I feel also like I've said your name in so many contexts because as we talked about in my pipe, like people are always like, well, you're the only woman doing a show, and you're like, no, I'm not. Because

there's Chelsea, there's this person. There's like there's like a lot of so I feel like I've said your name, I've tried to manifest you many times, and anyway, now we're here. So I'm very grateful, thank you. I'm I'm excited to talk to you. I want to talk to

you first. I want to ask you about your your seventh season of Full Frontal with Samantha b And I want to know how that has been, what this experience has been like, and what the most kind of challenging thing that you faced, because I think we we think, oh, you get a TV show, it's going to be great.

You get to express your creative whatever you want to put out there, you get to do, and then it comes with such a whole other plethora of baggage that you're just like, there are so many challenges you come across, and for every person that's different, because some people thrive in different situations. So I'm curious to know what your biggest challenges have been and like, really, what you've learned

about yourself through doing all of this. Well, I think that the big inning it was like put my whole self on hold. I feel like I don't even really remember the first year and a half because it's so much busy making and you're just trying to like it feels like every every show that you complete, you're like scrambling to complete the next one. You're like always you're just like churning and churning and the wheels are constantly turning,

so you're never at rest, never at rest. And then you have a little bit more time to kind of like take a step back and think, but it's not that much more time, and now kind of seven seasons in, I'm like, Okay, now I can now I can think

a little bit. But for me, the most challenging thing is actually managing I think managing people like managing a business, like being honest about the fact that it's like a business with real people who have real lives and worries and concerns and complaints and you kind of have to like be a part of that and fix problems and fix your work culture and like that I found really challenging because I'm not like a business. This person I don't know how to do. I'm not trained. This is

like a a gift. This is like a present and an opportunity, and you're trying to be very creative, but you also I think balancing like the creative part and the performing part, which is the part that you get into it for with actually being a caretaker of people and trying to make a work environment that works for other people. That was the part that I found so unexpected and and extremely challenging, and I still find it

challenging to this day. Yeah, I agree with that. It's very hard to manage people, especially when that's not what you're setting out to do, you know, totally as a comedic voice or as you know, as a journalistic voice, like however you want to frame it. You're sitting there trying to just share your opinion and you're kind of p o V. And then you realize, oh, there's so

much more involved than that, totally. Like people go to school, like people go to college to learn how to manage and learn there's like techniques and there's philosophies, and there's ways to approach things and ways to like phrase things

that are better than others. And it's like, I'm sure it was probably hard for you to like you're a performer and you're so independent and you're like you're doing your own thing, and then all of a sudden, there's like people working for you, and it's hard to grapple with that. It's a really sharp learning curve. It was

for me for sure. I want to say thank you for saying all of a sudden instead of all of the sudden, because I have been saying all of the sudden for many years and somebody very kindly and appropriately corrected me and said, it's not all of the sudden, you fucking idiot. For somebody who likes to correct other people's grammar, you should figure out that you're saying all of the sudden. And I was so horrified. So now I listen to make sure everyone's saying all of a sudden.

Oh my god. You know what, for my most of my entire life, I thought it was doggie dog world. You know what. It's a doggie dog world out there, guys, And if you say it fast enough it makes sense. You're like, yeah, it is a doggie dog world. So how did you manage when in the beginning of your show, like you're you obviously have more responsibilities than I do because you have a family, So how did that work out for you? Because I know you're with the love

of your life. You're with your partner. Yep, ye ye. Yeah, we've been married now for we've been together since whatever that means, I can't I don't count. I don't know. I don't know how many years that is, and they don't remember those things, but it was. And we have three kids, so we have like a sixteen We have a sixteen year old, thirteen year old, and an eleven year old. And so I think I did like a medium job at a lot of things, and I definitely

lost myself. So I went like, there's three big pieces of this. There's the work, and then there's my children, and then there's me as a human being. And I just focused on the other two things. And I probably didn't pay any attention to myself for many years. I think I actually like was like I just give over. I just kind of gave over for years. And Yeah, the irony that you're doing a show with your name on it, but you're not paying any attention to yourself, No,

not at all. No, it was. It's not It's not possible, and I do think a lot of people experience that. It's not unusual, it's not like special. I definitely stopped like having my period like I stopped all these things were just like everything stop everything, like, shove all your personal feelings out the door for a while. We'll get back to you later. And so and and I did. I'm like more and more fully realized human being now than I was at the beginning. Do you go to therapy?

I don't look at you. I probably should. Well I tried to, and then I was like, I don't get me wrong, How I'm going to do this? How do I add this to my schedule? It feel very yeah, And in the beginning of therapy, I would say it felt very self absorbed. You know, you're like, oh god, now I have to be one of these people that just sits here. In addition to having my whole life be about me, I have to go now and talk

to somebody about myself for two hours. And it feels it is good in the long run, but in the beginning, when, especially when you have your own show and you have all of these things, you just it is kind of a breath of fresh air to not think about yourself. How do you know when you found the right person? Like, how do you actually find I feel like that's the secret, which is that you don't necessarily have to go with the first therapist you meet, like you probably could have

bad ones along the way. Right. Oh yeah, that's what everybody talks about, you know, because people find one and it's not a match, and then they're like, you know, forget it, you know, what's the point. But I mean I would argue always that there's always somebody that's going to be a match. It's just a matter of going through the trial and error. But you know, it's not that everybody has to go to therapy. I mean, let's be realistic. Some people are fine without it and some

people really need to unpack their ship. So right, right, right, there's a lot of therapy talk on this podcast. We got We started this podcast trying to give advice, you know, like I wanted people to call in, like where should I go on vacation? And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden, it got serious and I was like big responsibilities. But I love it. I love kind of helping people, you know, just be a better version

of themselves, because I think that's it. The thing that I got so much from therapy was calming the fucked down, not being so reactive and just calming down and sitting still instead of having a million things going on. I had an inability to do that. So once I was able to kind of start understanding that it's not like you're ever fully cooked, obviously, because what would be the point if we were. But I liked all that stuff when I was seeing like concrete improvements. Then it became addictive.

I was like, Okay, wait, I can get better at this. I can do this in a more mindful way. I really would love someone to teach me how to calm the funk down, because I actually don't like I feel now I'm fifty two and I stand doing everything like I never It's really I never sit down like my feet or in pay at the end of the day from just like the amount of like back and forth like zip zip zip zip zip, constantly walking and I have like live in an apartment. Where am I going?

Maybe you're on your walking treadmill? Who knows. I just never said, what have you learned about yourself doing this show that you were surprised to learn in a good way? Like what good qualities at managing people? Did you find out about yourself? Well? I did find out it's certainly not possible to make everyone who works for you happy.

I learned that I care about people being happy. I truly, like meaningfully would rather know what someone's problem is and try to help fix the problem than to just stick my head in the sand and pretend that there's no problem and then it's going to go away on its own. I did learn that I'm generally unwilling to leave. Takes me a long time to solve problems sometimes, but I'm always game to try. And that's actually like a pretty

painful proposition. It's much easier to like not care what's going on in anybody's life, or to to not care and kind of like turn away from that. It just sort of understood that it was better to have a more difficult experience, Like if people were truly unhappy, I did want to know it, and that sometimes came back to me like it was sometimes my doing that people were unhappy. So being willing to be responsible for that was both a good thing to know about myself but

also very hard. Kind of like made life pretty hard. It's been a long learning journey. How about your relationship with your husband, how has that been affected by seven years of you doing this show? Well, he's really I mean, he had his show, he had a script a show at the same time that I was launching this show. So we were just like full pistons, like both of us firing in our separate in our distinct categories. Like he's, you know, he's an executive bruiser of my show. I

was an executive bruiser of his show. So we were just like firing on all cylinders for four solid years, and somehow we understood each other's issues. We had like a separate we had like a language of our work and then a language of our family. We were both very very good at making a separation though, like we're very good at compartmentalizing our two worlds. So like when work was over, we were on the kids. Were like very into parenting our kids. We love them. We sacrifice

a tremendous amount of like we don't really party. We don't we separated all that stuff out, Like we don't we'll never go out. We don't have like networks of like people we met at parties because we never because we're always like, let's do some school essays. So we and we were sort of like both went on that journey and we're really like homebodies. So we were just like work and kids and nothing in between, and we were we did that together. So our relationship is very solid.

Sometimes we get frustrated. Sometimes we get frustrated with each other. Like I definitely tune out sometimes I space out if I'm in work mode, I'm so spaced. Everyone can tell that I'm physically present but completely mentally disengaged. And now instead of like arguing about it, they all just kind of go, oh, she's gone. Like I hear them saying that she's gone, and I'm physically there, and I'm like, yep, I'm gone. I can't deal with this right now. Everybody's

been very patient. And do you have a lot of close girlfriends? No? I have a like really small group of girlfriends and that is great. And I have my husband and I have my kids. It's like a do you tight have a really small family too. I'm an only child, the only child of an only child, which is interesting that you have three children. I think it's probably because of it's probably because of that. Actually, what size family does your husband come from? He's one of two,

so we both come from relatively small families. We don't have like a big network of we're very much. I think we're very much about creating an island that we would want to live on. That's cute. It's pretty great. It's pretty great. We travel well together. We're just like we're just like a little unit and we just bounce

around all together. Yeah. On your podcast, we were talking about my relationship and you were saying that you've met your person too, and it's, uh, I think you could always tell when someone's with their person, right, there's a total calm. Equanimity is a good word for it. That's a really good word for it. It is a very it is very grounding to be like, Okay, I'm very grateful for it, so so grateful, But also I don't think about it all that much because I don't have

to think about it all that much. It's not really dramatic. It's not a place of conflict. Which is not to say that we don't disagree, for sure, we do, but it's not a place of conflict in my life, Like, it's not something I have to resolve. We argue well together and smooth it out quickly. Disagree about some small things, but generally speaking, it's it's there for both of us because when we got together, we were doing children's theater

as Data and Sailor Moon. Everybody download that damn trip. Well, I was the star of the show. Did play Sailor Moon, just in case anyone was wondering. But like you know, we went through like such phases of life were like he was working and I was not working, and then I was working and he was not working. So we were always like when we had nothing, filling in the blanks for each other. And that has like continued smoothly into like higher stakes and bigger jobs, and we're still

filling in the blanks. When I'm really busy. He'll take over this. He's away, I take over this, And it's not easy, but that's how we do it. You mentioned it's not dramatic, but you don't see you strike me as somebody who has a very dramatic personality, do you? I have in the past, very super dramatic. So this was like I would say that Jason, my husband, is the first person who he settled me down as a person.

He's actually the person who brought me to Earth, which I needed and and didn't like before I met Jason, when we were on our first date actually, which I didn't even know for him, it was a date. For me. I was like, I'm just going out to dinner with this my friend Jason and were you guys friends for a long time before you went on a day? But we were co workers, so we worked on this children's theater show and we were like, let's go out for dinner.

And he was like, we're going on a date and I was like, we are at dinner, and the whole dinner I just talked to him about how I was ruined and I would never be in a relationship. I was like, well that's it for me, folks. I never I don't need it. I don't need it, I don't want it. No more relationships, thank you very much. I'm closing up shop and let's go to a movie. Should

we go? See you Waiting for Guffman? And he was like I might kiss you and I was like, no, thank you, and then I drove away, and then we went on another day and then we did no thanks and now here you are. Well, I think it's twenty five years later, right plus something. We're literally this I think this month approximately twenty five years together. Oh well, that's a pretty big anniversary. That's called the silver anniversary. I believe you might want to get your ducks in

a row. I'm sure I'm wrong about that. Every anniversary is like it's paper and this is the yarn anniversary. Like it doesn't start to get really good until you're like fifty years in and then they're like Pewter or something like that. And do you feel like, do you feel like the last seven years of your life with the show? Like do you feel like life has gone by so quickly, so quickly? Like so quickly. I do feel like a really only market in like Jason and

I were just getting old together. But I see it in the kids because like when we started this enterprise, they were little. I mean they were like kids. We had a whole other life. We had a whole other life, like a different physical circumstances. And I don't know exactly know what happened, but I definitely looked up and I was like, you guys are all teenagers. Wait a minute. That's primarily how I think of children, just as a

reflection of age is a reflection of myself. Yeah, which is which is why I never had them, because I'm like, listen, I don't need to be reminded of that life is moving quickly. How did you deal with the Trump years since you were, you know, constantly talking about that that, How did that affect your site key and kind of emotional well being. I think when people spoke about Trump

dearrangement syndrome, that was That's what I felt. I had that like full ring where I couldn't Sometimes I just couldn't communicate how angry I was, Like I would just get up. It was so disgusted and horrified on a really daily basis, and I it was coincided with paramounopause, which is a trip on its own, to the point where I didn't really sleep. I wasn't It was always kind of eating properly. I'm never a person who would

like skip a meal from stress. I love meals. But I would wake up like clockwork at two thirty in the morning and be like, all right, what's going on in the world? And then I would like get really enraged by reading the news. Just a constant immersion in the news cycle. It was hard to get my sleeping back on track, and it was tough. I don't know it was hard. It was. It was not as hard for me. I mean I was still doing a comedy show,

like that's still a fun job. I still enjoyed my work and I had fun at work and it was great. But it was like sifting through all that anger to get to the kernels of comedy was quite an undertaking, and it was real undertaking for my whole team at the show, Like we were all every day we're like, oh, fun, ten new things that we have to that are going to ruin the world and tangibly destroy people's lives and set conditions for terrible things to happen in the future

too vulnerable people. And you could just see it happening, and you're like, what the why is that anybody dare anything about this. I did learn that there are no heroes and no white knights coming to save you. You have to save yourself, and that's really hard to do.

You have to save yourself and you also have to find We were talking about this last night at dinner and with some friends, and I were discussing, you know, actively being hopeful and positive and knowing that you're putting something out that is going to counter all of the negativity and all of the destruction that we see every day and not so wrapped up in that because I also had that experience when Trump selected, I got so

immersed and so wrapped up. The only thing that would calm me down was talking to other people who also were as as pissed as I was. You know, it's like the lowest common denominator of human interaction is like, what do you think is gonna happen? Where is this gonna go? What about what he said here? You know?

And then I think coming out of it and understanding, like, getting stuck in that cog is so unhelpful for for spreading joy or light or hope or whatever your game is or your currency is that you want to spread out there. It's nice to remind yourself even when all terrible things are happening, like good things can happen at the same time, and there are ways to inform, educate and motivate people to get involved in the right way.

Instead of allowing all of that to you know, weigh so heavily on you, which I was so guilty of doing during that time, I just let it just engulf me, you know, instead of moving towards a place of okay, how do we work towards something better? It's a real practice, and it really does help to be off of social media.

That's actually a very like to take breaks from that and to give yourself time away from that is because it is a constants like an I mean, it is just an onslaught and it's so easy, it's so so easy to get caught up in things that aren't really all that important, or to believe that it's real life when it's it's not. Controversies that bubble up on social media aren't necessarily things that people are talking thinking about in real life, and there is a real life to

be lived away from that. Yeah, and that's what we do on this show. This is about real life. Social Media comes up all the time, as you would expect, but I find that to be so true for me too.

I try so hard to have a life outside of my professional life, outside of competitiveness, outside of looking around to see what other people are doing and not focusing on what you're doing, you know, and actually having real experiences with real people that are independent of a profession or of social media, or of an impression or any of that. So what we're gonna do with Catherine, our co host, I know you're excited about this Samantha, I can.

I can see the fervor in your eyes. We are people are going to call in, some of them or will be on zoom so you can see them, and some of them will write, Katherine, what do we have in store for us today in terms of advice giving? Oh? My goodness, so many things. We have, uh, some baby talk, we have bad behavior at one of your shows, Chelsea. Fear of your partner falling out of love with you? Some some wild stuff. Did you fear that, Samantha ever, that your husband would fall out of love with you?

I think that's normal. I think that's normal too. I'm at a brand new relationship and I'm like, at some point he is going to find out how disgusting I am and be disgusted by me, you know, and I and we're still in the honeymoon phase. Ish ish we're phasing into we're phasing into the other phase. But yeah, I have that fear. That's a very very normal, everyday human fear, of course. But you know you have to know that they're having that fear about you as well.

So I would imagine you feel that way about your children too, Like, what if my children grow up to hate me right, that would be in fear for any parent. Natural fear, natural fear. Great, something else to be afraid of? Yeah, great, good, let's add more fear. Yeah. Well, we'll take a quick break for an ad and we'll be right back and we're back with Samantha V and Catherine. Al Right, well,

let's jump right into our first question. Our first question comes from shar She says, Dear Chelsea, my future sister in law has been in a relationship for about a year now. I recently spent some time with her and her boyfriend and noticed read couldn't stop cringing that they use their baby talk voice in public and it was driving me crazy. How do I tell them that the baby talk is something for the privacy of their own

home and not for public consumption. Thank you, shar God, I want to Yeah, do you know, do you really want to hear the talk? Do? What? What's my? What you doing? Or else they're going to all that me on Enchilada. I don't know what does that sound like? What when two adults do that? It's exciting they're both doing it if I love it. We actually do have a clip from her, and so here is a little bit of what that baby talk sounds like I really want some Mexican food. Oh you do? Oh you when

you get a margarita the Mexican plish? Yeah? Should I have one margharita or two margarita's? M last time you had to I had to drive you home. You're probably right I should have one, I would say. Honestly, I would say shoot her an email and be direct as possible and say, listen, baby talk is not for public consumption. No one is interested in listening to that. I love you and that's all you have to write. Wait, but she's your sister. Wait, so show the math on this one.

It's her future sister in law. So I think that means her boyfriend's or fiance's sister sister. That's what right, Yes, that's the relationship. So it's like not her sibling, but someone is going to spend a lot of time with m. Yep, that's a bit of an that's a bit awkward. Do you think you can be that direct with your future sister in law? I think that when arms of baby talk, when it's such a ridiculous behavior, you have to just hit the nail off the head and be direct about

how absurd. It is to think that that's acceptable. No one is interested in hearing that. No one's interested in seeing people tongue kiss openly. Like if there are pornographs, pornographic pornographic videos, there are pornographs, there are pornographic videos. You can watch that for that kind of stimulation. Like, it's just I think the short sweet to the point, and I love you the idea I'm a porn where their baby talking ad and I love you so much. I love you so much. Yeah, I love you so much.

Will I love you so much? And I'm worried that you're being taken the wrong way when you guys talk baby talk. Oh yeah, that's nicer, you know. Maybe, I don't know. That's a tough one. I don't know. Right now. All I'm thinking about is how many times I've done that in public with Joe, And I'm just like fun, I hope that I don't do that, but I don't think I do it. Sometimes I call him Buddha, Buddha Buddha in front of people, but they all are in on that and they call him to too. But that's

as far as it goes in public. We used to have friends who called each other, babe, and I really hated it. I was like, oh my god, and now my house one all night we started doing it ironically. This is the danger of doing something ironically in your own life, because now we're like bed dead dead and we just we've done it now for ten to fifteen years. Ironically.

I used to make a joke about the word pussy because it was such a vile word that I would be like, oh, how's your pussy doing today, you know, to try and normalize it, and then as a joke, my sisters and I like I would go in and like say hi to my sister. I'm like, hi, pussy face, pussy, And then it became a regular like nickname, and it's like, my sisters like, that's not funny. You cannot be using it normally because it turned from a joke into now

you're doing it normally. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. You can't do that either. But Baby, I mean, I don't know. I don't find babe annoying. Baby talk is for the bedroom on its pillow talk. Yeah, okay, okay, So I don't know. I mean, I I think, yeah, I think, be firm and hopefully make the first time,

the last time I accept your advice. I'm making a mental note to myself, Jason, we should stop doing baby talk, like I'm gonna learn a lot, well, especially your baby talk, because your baby talk was come here, whoopsie, I got a pickle or whatever. I hope no one ever catches me talking to my cat. I don't because then, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it was, the way I talked to my dogs. You have to have a special voice for your dogs, like you just do. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's expected,

that's needed. Yeah, you have to have a special voice for your dogs because they don't have a voice, so you have to supply them with one, and has to be very high frequency, very weird. Yes. My mother in law when we were home visiting for the holidays, she actually pointed out, She's like, oh, you guys baby talk your dog a lot, like kind of constantly. And I was like, it's not baby talk though, it's like a mimsy speak. And her name is mit See, it's like

it's her own language. It's for her. Yeah, it's not like I'm gonna talk to Bert like he's an adult, like, hey, Bert, come here. It's like that doesn't work. Well? Does nothing works because you can't hear anything I said? But whatever? Well. Our next email comes from Carrie. She's in her twenties. She says, I recently attended your show in Minneapolis, Chelsea.

It was amazing and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I had purchased two tickets for the third row a few months ago while I was heavily intoxicated, not just because I'm a huge fan of yours, but also to spite one of my close friends who got tickets for your show with some other girls and didn't invite me, even though I can guarantee that I'm a larger fan of you

than they are. They were up in the nosebleeds, so I found great joy from having awesome seats, knowing they were probably jealous a f Given that I splurged on third row seat tickets, it took me a little bit to conduct an investigation on who I knew that loved you and would be willing to spend that much. I found a coworker who was like, hell, yes, I love Chelsea Handler. About a year ago, I hung out with her outside of work and got drinks. Long story short,

that night got real weird. And I made a vow that I would never hang out with her outside of work ever again. Despite my promise to myself, I took her up on her offer to come with. When she arrived at my house at six pm, she was already black out drunk. We missed dinner, and long story short, she took more shots during your opener, which perpetuated her intoxication level. I don't think you said one single sentence during the show without her screaming at you, and I

was completely horrified and embarrassed. People around us were also clearly annoyed, and despite my attempts at telling her to shut the funk up, she kept doing it. I just wanted to sincerely apologize for her stupidity and obnoxious actions during Your show. I also feel bad that she negatively affected the people around us from enjoying the show at

its fullest. She spent the entire day after puking in my basement, and I will most likely be getting some sort of con track notarized that says I'm never to see her face outside of work again. How can I get over my anger and embarrassment at what she did, especially when I have to see her at work Carrie, Oh, that's yeah. Well, first of all, I would think, listen, don't worry about that. I don't even remember that. There are sometimes hecklers, but that's not ruining, it's disturbance. It's

not welcome, but it happens, and people get wasted. The bigger issue is your friends drinking, which sounds like she's a hot mess, and so you should have a little bit more empathy for why she's in that situation instead of so much judgment towards her, because that's not helpful either. And you're holding onto anger, which I don't know your face, I don't know her face. It's okay, you didn't affect

my life in a negative way. You know, probably some people around you, but they're not still thinking about that either. Your friend sounds like she's just a hot mess, and there's a reason why she's a hot mess. There's a reason why she's blacking out drinking the two times you've hung out with her. So I mean that that's a pattern of behavior. So if you can find it in your heart to be a little bit more open minded about maybe helping her figure out what her issues are,

because that isn't normal behavior. You know, you don't want to be out doing that. If that happens to somebody wants fine, But if it happens to somebody dent of the time, which is the two times you hung out with her, that's not a good indicator. So she could probably use more of a friend than somebody who's judging her. And if you could find it in your heart to be that for her, that would be great. It's not your responsibility, but it would be a nice exercise and

human kindness. Samantha, what do you think? I agree with you. I feel like if she was carrying shame for that event, I feel like you have absolved her of that and she shouldn't carry that with her. It happened, it's over. She already wasn't responsible for her friends condition, and it is unfortunate, but it didn't affect anyone's lives. It didn't affect if you don't remember, if it doesn't stand out to you, it was unfortunate, but it's not something she

should really carry. She shouldn't carry any guilt forward. She really only has to have a functioning work relationship with this person. I feel like what you're suggesting is great. If this person needs a friend or they just need someone to say. You know, ad percent of our social interactions have been really awkward and weird, and they're kind of centered on drinking. So if you ever want to talk about that, I'm right here. Otherwise, we're co workers.

We don't have to interact outside of this place. It's up to you. I don't want to do that again, but I feel like you might be hurting, and if that's the case, maybe I could be helpful. And that's it. Like you're not responsible, but you're friendly enough to go out sometimes, so it feels like there's more than just a work relationship. But you don't have to like overstep, and empathy is good. Empathy for this person takes you

outside of your own anger. It can like you can alleviate that for you and also think about the things that are adding to your anger, like your other friends getting tickets and not in fighting. You like that all that all worked itself into that situation for you. So you know, you are kind of probably in a slightly aggravated state because of all of that, trying to kind of with the gamesmanship of getting better tickets and doing your own thing. So just take all those factors into it.

But definitely holding on to angers. It doesn't do anyone any good, and it certainly doesn't do you any good. I totally agree with that. Yeah. Well, our next question comes from Charlotte. She says, Dear Chelsea, I wanted to write in to ask about mental health social anxiety, in particular, every time I have a get together with close friends or family, I worry after worried about what people think of me. I continue to ruminate about things I said or did, and I worry I'm being judged or seen

in a bad light. I don't have the best confidence and wondering how you stay so sure of yourself and so comfortable with who you are as a person. Charlotte, and she is here with us to chat. Hi Charlotte, Hi, Charlotte, how are you? Hi? We have Samantha be here today as my guest. Hi, how are you? Fellow Ontarian? Nice? Nice to meet you, Nice to meet you. So what do you so you are overthinking? You're a little bit

self conscious? Right? Yeah? Big time? Like I'll go out with people, you know, have a good time, and then I'll get home and I'll just ruminate, and even if it's about like nothing, you know, and I don't know why, and I just want to kind of get those intrusive thoughts kind of out of my head after having like a social interaction, you know, even with people that I know really well. So I don't know why that's happening.

And are you do you find yourself when you're in the situations that you're already thinking about what you're going to say instead of maybe listening or are you present when you're in those moments? Kind of both. I'm kind of guilty too of like just thinking about what I want to say sometimes Yeah, yeah, maybe I need to be a little bit like what you just said, maybe

listen a little bit more. I always find that when I feel self conscious, the best exercise is to listen, because then it takes you out of your own headspace, you know what I mean, instead of thinking because we've all been there and you're not by yourself. I've experienced bouts of self consciousness after bouts of huge misplaced self confidence where I was like, wait a second, I thought I was that person and now I'm sitting here wondering

what I'm gonna say when this. You know, when there's a lull and the best antidote to the noise in your brain is to listen, you know, and and being in that moment so that you could hear what somebody is saying, because there is no wrong way to be present, you know, unless you're a complete asshole lunatic who's going off on people like you're not doing anything offensive. I can tell by talking to you for two minutes that you're totally easy going night person. You know you're not.

You're not going to be pissing people off left and right. So the over analyzation that are over analysis. I should say that a lot of us experiences a temporary thing and it's just usually is derivative of what's going on in your life at the time. You know, if you're feeling other forms of not being completely settled, but it's not a permanent state of mind. So first understand that, like, don't think, oh, this is how things are going to be.

They're not. Nothing stays. There's no permanence with any of this, and that's something you know, we all know just from life experience. But it's not uncommon to go through about of self consciousness, and I think it's just about getting

your head out of that. You know, there's books you can read on mindfulness or present moment awareness or any of that stuff, which kind of they all say the same thing, But it's just about really being present gives you the gift of not being so self conscious and you know, really being in the moment and noticing when your thoughts get derailed to take yourself back to the moment you're in, whether it's eating a sandwich and being completely focused on that, or if you're doing your emails,

being completely focused on that, not doing it while you're watching a show, while you're reading the paper. You know, I used to work out when read the paper and have the news on and then listen to a podcast. Like obviously that wasn't working. So like really just being present, overly present right now in this moment because you are feeling this way, but overly present, you know, when you're walking, literally walk and enjoy the leaves on the trees and

what you're looking at and noticing the people. You just have to get yourself a little bit outside of yourself and like over exercise that kind of pattern of behavior. Yeah, that makes sense. It's like I was worrying today too. I'm like, oh, am, I gonna think about this conversation and worry about, oh did I say the wrong thing or you know, And I have a pretty dry sense of humor too, and some people don't get it, so I worry about that as well. So I think that

makes sense about just like paying attention more. You could walk away from this conversation no going that you did not say anything wrong or weird, and that no one We're all like we're all like sitting here going I want the best. I literally want the best for you. I feel like this is so familiar, Like I totally understand where you're coming from. I feel like I've been in this position to where I'm like, oh did I

what did I do? Like, let me just like go back over every conversation and go like, oh did I Are they thinking about me right now? And I'll tell you what. One of the only gifts of being fifty two is that you really start to get a clear picture of how much people are not thinking about you, Like how much they are actually not going through the conversation and thinking like, oh, what a funk up, what a weird thing that she said? They're actually just like

living their lives and going like that was really fun? Right, We went out for we had brunch that was really fun. I really enjoyed that we should do that again. They're probably having like a really positive take on it. And if I can say one more thing, and this is probably not like I don't know if this is healthy or if this is bad, So I'm going to just say what I'm going to say and like take it or leave it. But when um years ago, when I was like starting this show, my my husband always seems

like really confident. He's got this Like I don't know if it's a masculine quality or whatever, it's just maybe it's adjacent quality that he never really seems to worry about what other people think of him. He never seems to worry about it, and like it never would occur to him in a million years to be like, was he did he think that I was too loud that time? Never? And I remember asking him. I like cornered him in the bathroom once because I was like, please help me

release myself. Like I literally articulated this. I was like, help me release myself from worrying what other people are thinking about me all the time. I was like, how do you do it? Literally? What do you do? Is it like a man quality? Is this a masculine quality? Is this adjacent thing? Like how do you push out thoughts of what other people think of you? And he was like oh, he was like it's so easy. And I was like, what do you do? Because I was

like just embroiled in all this up. He was like, oh, if one of those thoughts pokes into my head, I just physically push it out. I was just like, not now, Satan, and he just almost in his brain goes, I'm not doing this right now. And I started doing that if I felt like insecurity creeping, and I started going like, I don't have time for this right now. This is

not helping. And then I would do another hobby or something like, do something else an activity that was like really physical, and it just got me out of that plane of thinking. I don't know if that's helpful in any way. No, I think that is helpful. My husband's the exact same way. He does not here. He just lives his life. And I'm like, oh my god, like

do you think I'm weird? You know? It's like it's so funny, like if you as you're saying this, Samantha, I'm like, God, I was just thinking in my mind, how many men have ever been like, God, I hope I didn't say the wrong thing. It's like it's a total male female dynamic like that we've created from probably from them questioning our thoughts and feelings. I will say my husband is actually like this, so he I hope this is okay to share as he's here in the

room with me. But he does have the same sort of social anxiety where like the day after a party he ruminates on it and he's like, oh my god, I hope I didn't sound stupid. I hope they liked me, And I'm like, what are you talking about? Like they were, they were charmed by you. You're cracking jokes, You're fun like you were conversing. He's so much fun at a party, and he's everyone loves him. He's tall and handsome and

well spoken and smart and generally great. But I think Chelsea's right, like it is one of those things that has to come from inside and Sam as well. It's like it has to come from inside of you, either pushing it out or like being present in the moment and experiencing what's really going on. No amount of my reassuring him that he was great at the party, convinces him he was great at the party. It sort of has to come from inside. That's a great point. It

does have to come from whatever technique you use. But I do find like business is a cure for a lot of that. Getting outside of your own body in a way and being like very busy with something is helpful in terms of just not ruminating on things. And also there's a couple of good books that just remind you and give you, Like there's one called Finding Peace

in a Frantic World. It's written by Mark Williams. It's like a beginner's guide for mindfulness, Like it just gives you the basic steps when you're too much in your head to just remember that acts of service, helping someone else, focusing on someone else's issues, being like a good friend to somebody else, or whoever's in your life, that will

always take you out of yourself, you know. And then also the Power of Now by kartl Just it all espouses the entire practice of just always knowing that those thoughts are your ego, those thoughts are your negative voice trying to drag you in. So saying no, get out is exactly the way to treat those thoughts, you know, like there's no room for you here, and once you start implementing those things, you'll get out of this much

quicker than you think. And also to be forget being of yourself like this is normal, Like I want you to be kind to yourself and know that like every human person feels these thoughts, you know what I mean. And I think that the struggle. I think everybody has this struggle to to great some extent, like maybe for some people it's not a big struggle, but everybody has those feelings of like afterwards going like judging yourself, and I want for you that you forgive yourself. Yeah, you

know we all feel it sucks. Yeah, the thought of people being unhappy with me is like the worst thing. I don't know why. I don't know why. I don't know how to be kind to myself and know that nothing happened, But if somebody is unhappy with me, how to like kind of get past that, if that makes any sense, like just being like, well that's what I said, and I said what I said, you know, with me not being offensive, but yeah, but also think about like you know, think of yourself as a little girl or

do you think of yourself as as your daughter. Would you ever want your daughter to feel that way, to feel like she has to please everybody in this world? You know, that's a fake construct that has been built up for women to behave in a certain way that is people pleasing. And do you want to be that kind of girl who fucking wants to be that? You know, somebody who's making everybody happy? You know, then you're just a product of your society instead of being an original.

So focus on that and think about yourself as a little girl, Like what would you do if it was your daughter. You wouldn't allow You would be horrified for her to feel this way. Right, It's not your job to please everybody. It's your job a to please yourself and make yourself and the people you love happy and make them feel safe and secure in your relationship. But beyond that, you don't have an obligation to the world, you know, and you should start try some you know,

try headspace. Headspace has all these like beginning courses about that, about the voices in your head, about that dialogue, and about focusing, you know, and if you just even put in five minutes a day of that, you just start to create a different narrative in your head in a different way that you're speaking to yourself, and that has

a domino effect. Yeah, you're a three dimensional person. You're a human person too, and you have a right to exist in this world and believe certain things and say whatever you want. And if people don't like you because you said one thing the night before, then they're not really worth knowing. If they don't like you for the three dimensional self that you are, like, if they really

are so affected by that, then holy sh it. And I would also like to go on the record and say that I am in Canada four months out of the year and no Canadian has ever offended me, So you also have that on your side. Thank you well.

And I just wanted to thank you Chelsea too. Besides my mom, you're like a huge inspiration for just being like an outspoken woman and still being mindful of other people, but when somebody's trying to bring you down, just telling them to get lost and just to be a strong woman. And I just wanted to thank you for that. Well, you're welcome, but you are. You're a strong woman too. You know, we just have to tap into our reservoir of strength and sometimes we don't strong, but you're strong.

Thank you appreciate that. Well, good luck with everything, and please pick up those books. Okay, those two books, I wrote them down. Great, great, I'm sure you can google them and find them right away. Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thanks, take care you okay, speak to you soon. Bye. Oh oh my god, I know, I know,

but you know something. When I experienced my first adult self doubt or insecure phase, because I went for so long without ever even thinking about what people thought about me, just like you know, who cares like that arrogant attitude almost and then going through my first bout of like, oh, self examination, and then the self flagellation that goes with that, where you go, oh wait a second, and then the

self consciousness that is coupled with that. It's such an unpleasant and unwelcome feeling to be in his to be worried all the time about something that other people are not worrying about is not a great feeling. It can be really debilitating, like just to get caught in that and to like live to be just like so steeped and worry. Yeah. Second, guessing yourself is not a fun environment to be in, really not fun, not fun at all.

And I think also post pandemic, I kinda after my first few interactions after that, I was like, Oh, we're all just gonna be a little weird for a little while, because I felt like I don't usually feel that way that afterwards, like was I weird? Was I weird? And I had engagement party for one of my cousins and I felt like as I was talking to her sister and my other cousin, I'm like, I just keep laughing at all her stories. I don't know what to say back to her, like thank god, she's telling so many

funny stories. And then the next day she texted me and she's like, I'm sorry if I was talking too much, Like I was like, oh, wait, we're all just going to feel like we're acting really strange for a while. You know. It does feel strange, yeah, And I'm like really quick to anger, like little things. I'm like, ohs angry about this. It's nothing. It is a bit of a roller coaster seeing the lower part of people's faces. Yeah,

it is. And I definitely can relate to a post pandemic socializing where I was like ship what am I going to say now? Like, Okay, someone said something and now it's my turn to return the tennis ball. And I was like, I mean, even my sister goes, what is wrong with you? I go, I don't know what to say to people anymore. And I've never been short for words, so I can only imagine what somebody who's more shy or less sure of themselves must be feeling. But yeah, for sure, the pandemic meet us all a

bit of a hot mess. Yeah, definitely. Well, our next question comes from back. She's twenty eight. She says, Dear Chelsea, I'm in a pickle. I have an intense fear that my partner of two years will ultimately lose interest in me and fall out of love eventually. My opinion of men isn't exactly high. I seem to box my partner into the same category that most men have fallen into

in my life, ultimately fickle, selfish, and ignorant. My self esteem isn't the highest, and I'm riddled with anxiety that he will find me less attractive as I get older, or god forbid, bear his children. I'm constantly thinking of self sabotaging the relationship as the fear of rejection is so intense. How do I stay confident and address these

fears without projecting needy girlfriend vibes onto him love back. Well, I would say that when you are living in fear and based out of fear, you are going to perpetuate that feeling and it can become a self fulfilling prophecy. So you have to really work hard on getting yourself out of that mindset because it's a waste of your time, and it's a waste of your energy, and you're almost working against yourself. So you've been with somebody for two

years and you have to start thinking. You know, every negative thought comes with a positive counterpart. That's physics. Every action has a reaction, and if you can start changing that dialogue in your head, that's what you have to do. First, you have to get in control of the fact that you don't have control over the future. You have control over how you behave You can't control what's going to happen with your partner, if he's going to stay in love with you, if he's going to remain in love

with you. You can only control how you conduct yourself. So even if you don't believe it, right now that you're worthy of all of that. You have to start acting like it. You have to start believing that you do have all of the things that you have that you offer the relationship. You can't worry about aging. Everyone's aging. You know, these are things that are happening to everybody. So getting so hyper focused on this relationship and it falling apart is a dangerous pattern of thought for you.

So there is a book that my friend told me about once when she was feeling similar. It's called rejection Proof, Rejection of Proof or rejection proof or something. I know there's an umbrella on the cover because I have it at my house, And of course I haven't read that one yet, but I'll get to it. But you have to really just start working on having a positive dialogue

with yourself. Immediately. Pick up as many books as you can until you read something that strikes a chord within you that you can like turn into a manifestation for yourself. Because all of our wasted a time and energy is spent on fear. And when you come from a place of hope and positivity instead of fear, and you build yourself up like to courage and bravery, then the fear is eliminated, and it's down below and it's something that you don't even recognize in yourself. But it's not gonna

happen overnight. You have to be an active participant in getting yourself healthier. Oh, this is great advice. This is great advice because it is hard to operate from a place of fear and you can't control the future. You have no say in how the future unfolds. I also do think like if you're in a positive if you really take a step back and you look at your relationship and you go, actually, it's he's never given me any indication that he's falling out of what we have

a very state. He would be very surprised to hear that I am very worried about the future and these kind of irrational thoughts. Like it's okay to have those conversations with your partner, not dwell on them, but just to honestly say, I'm having like irrational thoughts. Can I just tell you what they are and then I can

maybe put them to rest. If your partner loves you, which it sounds like you are in a really solid relationship as long as you're not living and acting from a place of fear all the time, if you're able to talk about things that, like, you should be able to talk about weird fears that you're having about the future,

Like you should be able to say that. I think just before we got married and my husband was like, I am worried that you're gonna that you're gonna like have children and split because like I have some weird family history and stuff. And he was like, I'm worried that that's just like in your jeans maybe, And I was like, I don't think it is, but I also don't,

but I don't think so. I think it's okay. And I do think that if you're in a supportive relationship, it's okay to like give voice to irrational fear once in a while, and it's not it shouldn't be scary for the other person because you do have to be true to yourself. I think if you're like living in that place all the time, then that's a different matter entirely. But having a healthy dialogue with yourself is very important.

As Chelsea is saying, I think that's really really great advice. Yeah, And I like what you're saying, you know, you that's good advice, also talking about it voicing your fear. I remember my girlfriend was going through a rough patch with her boyfriend and she he he wanted a child and she did it and that's why we're friends. She goes, is it a deal breaker? But they've been together for three or four years already, and he was like, I don't know. I have to think about it. I didn't

realize this was so important to me. And she's like, well, I need I need an answer. You need to tell me. She's like, you have six weeks to figure it out, and I was like, no, no, you cannot give someone six weeks to figure this out. Like when you put when you need a definitive answer on something, you're giving something no, no space to breathe. You're not giving any room for it to be okay. You know, because you can't control the outcome. You can never control the outcome.

All you can control is how you conduct yourself and your response to things. So I would definitely bring it up with your partner. I'm sure him he'll probably say something to you that will make you feel better and better I mean, that will make you feel better about the situation. But beyond that, it's your job to not look to him to make you feel better all the time.

You know it's something you can bring up, but it's not a burden for you to place on him, because it's an inside conversation that you're having with yourself and that needs to get stronger. Your sense of self needs to get stronger. So hopefully you will be able to have more open conversations because you know, nobody wants their partner to feel like that. Who wants to see their

partner suffering like that or worried? Yeah, when you're two years into a relationship, you don't have to pretend that you love boxing or whatever it is, like whatever their hobby is that you really can't stand, but you think that you like. You pretend to like it so much that you actual really think that you like it, and then the moment that your relationship is over, you're like, oh, I funking really hated that. Actually that wasn't really fun

at all. But like, you're so deep into the relationship now you should be able to like be your true self, and part of that is allowing letting that person know that you're going to like that. You're also trying to create a better dialogue inside yourself and that you're aware that it might seem irrational, but it's okay to say it out loud occasionally sometimes when I this something that I do, if I you know, sometimes like in this business and this is so weird, but I am going

to say it. You know, you're like you're always reading stories about like opportunities all around you, and everybody's like, what's he getting, what's she doing? What's this? Like? You sold? What? Oh my god? And you get jealous. You get you have like these eruptions of jealousy and even though you're doing really well and this seems so crazy, like why would you be jealous? Why would you be thinking about opportunities that someone else is getting? Like how is that

relevant to you? But it happened in erupts and I personally like to give it a voice. I like, we'll take my husband and I'll go, oh, I feel so jealous today and here's why. And he's like, oh my god, what is wrong with you? And I'm like, I have to just say it out loud in order for me to disperse it. The more I hold it, the more real it gets, And that's very unhealthy. Sometimes I need to say it out loud because I need to hear

what it sounds like in real life. And the moment I hear myself say it, I go, oh, okay, and it's just like he races. So I don't know if that's I like that. I like that, especially with somebody that you can trust. I remember once telling my sister years ago a friend of mine got a huge opportunity and I was the one who had, you know, brought her into stand up and introduced her to stand up and encourage her to do it. And then she got a big break before I did, and I had all

these feelings of envy and jealousy. And I was in my twenties, and I called my sister and I told her, I go, I feel so terrible. I'm so jealous. But she's my friend and and she's like, it's how to really fine? She's like, just tell something. You tell me, that's okay. Just don't As long as you don't act on the jealousy, you're almost expunging it by giving it

a voice. And I think that's great to remember. You know, you have somebody in your life that you can trust and always confide in, and that should be your person that you can say the things that you're embarrassed to say, and sometimes when you do, hear them out loud. Just like Samantha just said, You're like, Okay, anything I'm operating on, You're like, that's just too stupid. I was holding on to that for too long. Okay, let's move forward. Yeah,

give yourself the room to be vulnerable. Right, Well, we'll take a quick break and we'll be back to wrap up with Samantha B and Chelsea. Okay, and we're back. Great, Okay, this is fun. Yeah, good advice giving Samantha awesome high stakes. I love it. These are real, these are real lives. These are like very relatable issues, very relatable. Well, speaking of relatable issues, sam do you have any advice you'd

like to ask from Chelsea? Here's a question and this is like, okay, okay, this isn't going to sound like anyone who knows me and anyone who works with me will think that this question is insane because it's very unlike me. I don't. You're very open about drug use, very open about drug use, very open about all of that, pharmaceuticals, all of that, and no one ever offers me drugs of any kind and I don't know what it is about me obviously like such a nerd and it's because

you're from look, Canada. Whatever one thing that I would like to try after watching the whole documentary about fungi on Netflix, which I loved, and I was like this, I feel like that documentary about fungi, like fantastic Fungi was so was almost like a spiritual experience for me watching that. Should I try magic mushrooms? I think you have to because it is so, because it's so I took yesterday. I take a little chocolate square of magic

mushrooms almost every day, almost every day. I haven't taken it today. I wish I had now that we're talking about it, so I could just But there is there is a mental clarity that you can reach. You don't have to go bonkers and go dose yourself. But right now there's so many in Canada. Everyone has mushrooms, they have micro dose fifty milligrams, it's whatever you want. I like it in chocolate because I just gives me a better like upper. But there is a mental clarity that

isn't naturally available to me. It is an upper in a way where you don't feel like you're on a drug, you know, like mushrooms. If you take silicide and you want to do a proper dose or you want to do a guided you know dose for healing purposes, that's a different situation, and I would encourage that for people who are dealing with trauma anything that they want to, you know, kind of tackle. But I think there is really nothing to lose. You kind of just see everything

from a little bit more. It taps into a part of your brain where you are able to be up, you're clear minded, you're not you know, off your rocker, and you're able to be productive and sound. So it kind of adds to whatever you've already got going on naturally.

Do you think that because I've never done them before, that I'll have a really because I've had like I've taken I've taken up in the past and had such bad experiences, do you think that I would be at risk for having a really bad experience just from the stress of like just from being kind of tense about it but really wanting but really I feel like it could be really beneficial to me, but I'm also terrified, Like, do you think that the terror will cause me to

have a bad experience. I honestly think if you have that kind of fear, you should just have the most minimal possible amount you can have, like a half of a micro dose to allay your fear, because once you do that, you're gonna understand I'm not going to be overwhelmed by this, and then your fear will abate, and then by the time it does, you can introduce whatever minuscule amount and it's almost an imperceptible feeling when it's

done right. When you don't have too much, like fifty milligrams of psilocybin is not going to affect you in any deleterious. You're not gonna lose it, You're not gonna get overwhelmed. You're just gonna have a little bit of a feeling of like, oh, oh, everything is brighter and clearer and I am my mind is clear. And it

adds to whatever you're already working with. You know, on on a brain mechanical level, and there are so many parts of our brain that we're not accessing, and when you do something like that, you are accessing a part of your brain and you feel it. You're like, oh gosh, so I just yeah, the fear is definitely something to be considered, but you just even take it easier because you just have to remember, this isn't a drug. You're not trying to get sucked up. You're just you're just

trying to like enhance. It's an enhancer. We talked about it at dinner last night, and we're talking to just about the efects of it and how people don't understand how it enhances almost every experience, a work experience, a play experience, or even a family experience. Oh great, because I don't, like I'm not up for seeing like elves running under the sofa, Like I don't not really, that's how the experience I'm looking for. It was just like

what does this mean? Like what could this unlock inside? Yes, that's a great way to look at it. Yeah, like is that is that a possibility? And how long will it last? And will I be normal in front of my children? So maybe I'll do it like by myself. Yeah, it doesn't last forever, don't worry. It's like a couple of hours maybe, And you know, and again, it's not like you're going to have to be like tripping in a room in the dark, like it's not like that.

You just go about your business like you would any other day. You know, try it on a day where you don't have to do a lot, so that you're not like worried about that. But just to create the confidence in your psyche that you're okay and you're not going to freak out. Is to do it as minimally as possible and so that you could kind of understand it better. I love this. This is good advice. Okay, I needed to talk that through. Okay, Like, talk to me next week when I'm like playing the mandolin at

a renaissance fair. I'm like, I gave it all up. I'll probably just mail you some magic mushrooms from from some other name to another name, but they'll get to you somehow. We'll make you. We'll find our way, just like a Magellan. Okay, you calmed me down. I really do. I think it would be so. I feel like it would be good for me because I am like pretty uptight and kind of a control freak in my own home,

like and walking around sorting laundry. It's boring. I would like to try a new version of myself in a minor way. It would be nice to let go a little awesome. I'm a love drug question. So yeah, and plus every by the way, everyone is doing it, you know what I mean, and everyone's loving it like it's getting rave reviews. So this is the moment. This is my time. So Chelsea, one question about that. I am also a person who has never done magic mushrooms, but

people often recommend doing them in nature. Do you think, like even from microdos, would you say, like head out doors or do you always Okay, yeah, I mean you know, I I could do it inside too, but like, no, it enhances everything and the colors of the leaves on the trees, the nature that you're seeing. Yeah, it enhance.

It's just an enhance her. So to understand it better is to be in nature, you know, because then you really have a connection and you realize like, oh, okay, this is this is you understand how kind of small you are and how amazing everything is. Like that we're all sitting here, you know, functioning. It's just kind of like it's got that vibe to it too, where you're just really happy and grateful that you get to be like here doing your thing. I love this. Okay, all right,

that's great, that's cool. Well, Sam will do mushrooms together. Okay, okay, perfect, awesome, Well where can everyone find you? She's going to be in the wood doing mushrooms with her podcast. Full East is the podcast I'm going to be a guest on as well, probably the very same week that you're a guest on mine. We released on Tuesdays. When when do

you release? Release on Thursdays? Thursday's Tuesday, Thursday. We do a full release on Thursday, and then Full Frontal with Samantha b is in its seventh season yep, Thursdays at seven pm on TBS. Oh god, thank you so much, Samantha. I had a wonderful morning with you. I mean, we've spent more time together probably that I've spent with anyone other than my boyfriend this year, and we just met, so we're off to a really great start. I loved it. Thank you so much for talking me through this and

for oh my god for bringing me on. That was like emotional. I know it can get emotional. Yeah, I loved it. I want all the people who ask questions to take your advice and run with it anyway. Thank you so much. It was great to have a great day you too. Bye bye. Bye, And if you'd like to get advice from Chelsea and one of her guests, please write into Dear Chelsea Project at gmail dot com.